Jewry’s Plan To Blackball Russia
Jewry’s Plan To Blackball Russia
By Brother Nathanael Kapner, Copyright 2012
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TWO ‘MEDIA’ JEWS who enjoy lavish exposure by the Jewish-controlled Press are gritting their teeth hoping to take a bite out of Russia’s President, Vladimir Putin.
In a feature OpEd of the Jew-dominated Financial Times, “Time To Blackball Russia’s Autocratic State,”
(& Here), Ian Bremmer and Nouriel Roubini—both Jews—just can’t seem to satisfy the anti-Christ rats in their bellies in their malice toward Christian Russia.Bremmer (founder of the Eurasia Group as a means of bringing Jewish hegemony over Eurasia) and Roubini (touted as an innovative economist) are calling for Russia to be “blackballed” and justify their wishful Jewish fantasy with a pack of Jewish lies:
“Corruption is endemic in Russia. Graft is a particular problem. Capital flight has reportedly accelerated since Putin’s re-election in March.
Russia’s population is falling – because healthcare is poor, socially driven diseases such as alcoholism is rampant, and well-educated Russians are leaving in search of better opportunities elsewhere.” View Entire Story Here & Here.
Indeed, a froth-full of lies spew forth from Bremmer’s and Roubini’s Jewish lips.
Contrary to their assertions, there is NO demographic crisis in Russia. The population of Russia has increased by one million since early 2011. In the first quarter of 2012, Forbes Magazine responsibly reports, Russia’s population grew by 31,000.
Yes, there was a crisis in the 90’s when the drunkard Yeltsin was in the hands of the Jewish oligarchs. But, this crisis has been gradually arrested.
BOTH PUTIN AND MEDVEDEV, (after 80 years of Jewish Bolshevik domination), are addressing corruption and graft issues.
Rumours of capital flight occurring since Putin’s re-election are exactly that, “rumours.” The rouble under Putin is actually being promoted by investment experts as the least risky investment.
And as regards “social diseases” such as alcoholism, Putin has revived the Orthodox Church; closed down all the casinos in Russia; taken over the Jew-owned TV stations and instituted religious programming; introduced Orthodoxy 101 into Russia’s public schools; forbidden “gay parades” — all of which are part of Putin’s efforts to stave off vice and immorality.
Moreover, for Bremmer and Roubini to heap praises upon communist China (a hundred times more repressive than Russia) while hell-bent on blackballing Russia for being an “authoritarian” state, one wonders if these Jewish ‘experts’ are simply blinded by their fear of Putin. For there is no man Jewry fears more than Vladimir Putin.
FOR SYRIA
BREMMER AND ROUBINI launched their smears against Putin by denouncing Russia’s opposition to a “humanitarian” intervention (Read: Jewish decimation of a sovereign nation) into Syria.
But Russia under Putin still has the last word with respect to Syria recommending to UN envoy, Kofi Annan, “an unbiased probe” of the murders in Houla.
Both Russia’s foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, and The Associated Press, stated that the 108 murdered in Houla were killed at close range—execution style—indicating the work of armed terrorists rather than the Syrian army.
But do you think this matters to Jewish Senator, Joseph Lieberman, Romney’s favorite pick for State Department head? No.
THIS BLOODTHIRSTY Jewish warmonger Lieberman who proposes “arming” the Syrian rebels is now calling for a US military intervention to dismantle Syria into competing militias and warlords to pave the way for a Greater Israel.
But Bremmer, Roubini, and their Synagogue buddy, Lieberman, can spout, demand and propose all they want.
For with Russia’s arms shipment and anti-terror troops newly arrived in Syria’s Port of Tartus and with Putin’s inauguration of the Nord Stream Pipeline—heating the homes and fueling the industries of an energy-starved Europe—Jewish fantasies to “blackball” Russia are no more than paper dreams.
And since it is moral integrity that these Jews are scorning, not only are they on the WRONG side of history but they’re on the RIGHT side of Hell.
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Because Jews KNOW that Vladimir Putin booted out the Jewish oligarchs, put Khodorkovsky, a Rothschild agent in jail, and will not countenance Jew “democracy,” Jew promoted “homosexual depravity,” and Jew-owned casinos with its attendant prostitution.
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Dear Brother Nathanael,
You are a light in an age of darkness. I really enjoy your videos and your commentary.
Especially the videos about Vladimir Putin. It is obvious that he has lots of enemies. But he is a protected being. He is a Christed being.
Please keep up the good work and keep preaching the truth!
And remember God loves you!
Sincerely,
Penny Hawkins
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+Brother Nathanael
Well done, my dear Brother in Christ,
You have really nailed these phools Bremmer and Roubini to the wall.
This is smokin’ hot. You’ve caught them red-handed in lies, lies, and more double-minded Jew lies concerning our dear Putin, conditions in Russia, and very timely news with the truth about Syria.
These two Jews really are joined at the hip.
And LIEberman, that horrid, evil, yarmulke-wearing, war-mongering, lisping little ogre.
Then I watched the abc-Nightline Barbara Walters being interviewed, and she blithers on about a so-called disconnect between what Assad says and what is “really” going on.
Sorry, Babs, the disconnect is with you, and the whole rotten charade you help play. And, your sneaky little name-calling jabs at Mubarrak and Gadaffi weren’t called for either.
RJN family may know that Barbara Walters is a Boston Jew; daughter of Dena (née Seletsky) and Louis “Lou” Walters–born Louis Warmwater. Her parents were both descendants of Polish Jews from the former Russian Empire, who came to New York by way of Britain.
Just as Barbara is blathering on, at about 1:23 in the scenes of their edited (probably file) footage, abc plugs in a few seconds of a large gathering of pro-Assad demonstrators waving the loyalist Syrian flag, identifying them as the “insurgents.”
I’m going back to run through the complete tape just to see what else abc has done to keep poisoning the well.
Keep up the very excellent work, dear +BN.
My contribution is on the way.
IC XC
NI KA
Thank you, Brother, for another informative article this indicating the frustration the Jews are feeling.
Accurate history shows the Bolsheviks abominable treatment of Russian Christians early last century starving millions to death and their ejection from Russia from 1977 onwards.
Now they are being stalled in their bid to take Syria and Iran which is truly galling!!
I agree with Penny that Vlad’ Putin is a christed being and one of the only leaders worth admiration.
God really does love us all and is no doubt very impressed with your mighty contributions to truth.
Blessings upon you. Brian
Bravo, BN!
Merely judging from the sheer VOLUME of noise emanating from the Kosher Mafia, it would appear that the bad guys are REALLY nervous.
Karma has a way of taking its sweet old time, quite often, but it looks like the jig is just about up for the wiseguys and the fiddler is about to call a whole new tune.
Thanks for all you do.
Well done Brother,
As mentioned in my last post on your last presentation, the Global Zionist criminal Cartel is turning up the heat on Mr. Putin and the people of Russia as expected.
Messrs Putin and Medvedev is the only reason the Zionist juggernaut have not rolled over Syria and Iran already, and the Zionists and their captive nations knows it.
Good one Bro. I will send something soon.
Henny
Someone has pointed out that the term “Kosher Mafia” is incorrect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk7PiEcj9iU
Whether or not you like Putin, he is much better than the alternative which would be either Communists and/or American-Judeo puppets.
I hope Poland, Ukraine and Eastern Europe stop being such blind supporters of the West. The reality is you can bargain with both, and I hope my Slavic brothers join them. Additionally, the more European and other nations that join Russia’s side, the better.
I dont mind Putin that much (unless he has hidden agendas that we dont know of). But I didn’t really like Medyedev.
Well done again, Bro Nat.
Exposing these liars helps expose the bigger lie behind the terror machine that the west is breeding (sic) .
Their evil creatures will pop up more and more unless we oppose these Demonic methods of government .
Dear BN, I just got off the Rense radio.
I agree Americans are brainwashed.
There is an interesting thing about the Jews wanting to get Americans away from Christianity is that US Christianity goes along with Jews being Chosen People. It may very well backfire on them if they get rid of Christianity.
Young people live on the Internet. TV is for old people. Times have changed. This is the Internet generation. Words and ideas spread fast.
Good article, Brother Nate.
Really enjoyed this one!
V. Putin is a nationalist and for Russia, and the Rothschilds want to take over the valuable and many resources in Russia.
Also the controlling elite do not like Russia being a Christian nation.
The nature of the beast:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNUBg0d_bS0
In Memory of Rachel Corrie
Lasha Darkmoon’s ode to Rachel Corrie.
“We are protecting civilians. We are unarmed. We are no threat to you. Please do not shoot.” (Rachel Corrie)
Bro. Nathanael,
Remember back in early 2011 when Israel wanted the US to invade Iran? And then Greek economy fell, Tunisia, NATO/US invaded Lybia that was doing nothing, then Syria?
All because the US would not invade Iran.
In 2008 Israel bombed Syria!!! Yet, America slept.
Iran is the Gem in the Sky to Israel. If they can get the US to invade Iran, they will be happy and the world will be doomed.
As your article states, those bad Jews hate Russia (as proved in 1917) and Germany. What the Communist Jews (remember ‘Jewish-Soviet spies’ from McCarthy?) are doing is predictable. Pre-1917, Russia was doing no harm. Post-Treaty of Versailles, Germany was pulverized.
But I don’t think readers see the pattern here. It is all about Jew-Communists. Feed a rebel, starve a nation.
As Lt. Fred Bowditch of Homeland Security told me in 2007, “Susan, we investigate Hezbolah and Hamas, not the Mossad.”
Susie
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Dear Bro Nat,
Whilst it is clear to me why the Jews continue unabated to make Putin the focal point of their degenerative work, I am not excessivly concerned about it. It is rather a first class reference for Putin.
What concerns me more is why a not insignificant part of the apparently anti-Jewish camp joins in this campaign in fulll conformity with Jewish aims and agendas.
In my opinion this shows the degree to which the Jew, in line with his publicly declared aims and methods, has succeeded to infiltrate various groupings of his adversaries. But that’s also not the main line.
The main line is that whilst Russia was, under Jeltsin, suffering a degree of Jewish exploitation, which may well equal that of the US and Europe, the Jew had, by the usurpation of Russia, reached a stage of consolidation of his power, which allowed him to throw a glance at China and toy with the feeling that he may now be very close to the endgame.
Then came Putin and all strategic plans of the Jews were busting like soap bubbles.
A whole range of Jewish plunderers ran away from Russia as fast as their crooked legs could carry them, to Israel, to the US and to the UK or alternatively, if they displayed ambitions beyond stealing Russia’s resources, they even ended up in jail.
It is well known that associates and employees of C. have been convicted of murder and we should believe that the first man of the organisation had nothing to do with it and knew of nothing?
These events are another first class reference for Putin. In fact, one might conclude that Putin has set the plans of international Jewry back by an indefinable period of time for even in 1945 the Jewish position was better than it is today – thanks to Putin. That’s why they hate him.
And what is the Jew always doing when he hates somebody? He says that the person concerned is one of them. So they are circulating pictures of Putin sitting on the same table with half a dozen orthodox Jews and want to manipulate people’s minds with such crap.
I would like to point out in this context that even Iran has a traditional Jewish population and their local leaders would also have access to Iranian Government members.
Does that mean that Iran is furthering the interests of international Jewry in this world? Of course not! But perhaps I got it all wrong, because there are those who want to tell us that Amadinedschad is also a Jewish agent.
I guess there are always some who cannot be helped and there are always others, whose positions are in reality by no means what they represent them to be.
Atzmon is good. A voice of reason.
This is a good piece as usual. With the dirty domino getting frustrated and indicating the “international community” may act outwith UN authorisation. Same as before.
Maybe Syria is a line in the sand for the Russians.
Yesterday there was picture of Sergei Lavrov and William Hague. Hague looked glum, and looked like a schoolboy that had been told of for being naughty. I wonder what Lavrov told him?
Great article, +Brother!
Not to get too New Agey, but Edgar Cayce once prophesized that Russia will be the HOPE for the world.
I think that’s what we are seeing now from Vladimir Putin, or his successors. Russia has always had a great history of tribulation to triumph.
Love him or hate him, Putin, is the only world leader who has any sense and decency to keep the world from going into utter chaos. Trying explaining that to the likes of Netanyahu!
Anyways, look forward to listening to you on Jeff Rense with co-guest, Gilad Atzmon. Should be quite compelling!
Jewish codespeak:
Democracy: Codespeak for Jew rule.
Communism: Codespeak for Jew rule….
http://citizenfitz09.blogspot.com/2012/04/jewish-codespeak_20.html
t@Le$ fRom ThE hOloCo$+
“As soon as I arrived in Auschwitz I was taken into a room and there I was undressed and made to kneel down … on my knees and my hands.
The SS officer [who] was probably a doctor, dressed in white robe, shoved an iron stick, which had a handle on its end, right into my rectum….”
http://citizenfitz09.blogspot.com/2011/04/tale-from-holocot.html
Ten to twenty years ago I would never in my life anticipated developing the gumption to cheer on Russia.
However, it might be Russia and Russia alone with the courage, intellectual fortitude, and mission to beat back International Jewry.
I am presently reading Solzhenitsyn’s “The Gulag Archipelago.” What a heartwrenching historic account of the notoriously brutal insanity of Zionist Bolshevik Communism from 1918 through 1956.
It’s a mammoth book, so if you do decide to give it a try (strongly recommended), be patient with it. Not that the shear cruelty throughout Bolshevik Russia and its satellites ended in 1956, that’s simply the final year of which Sozhenitsyn alludes to in this book.
I’ll add my two cents worth: the Russians have really been through hell.
You wouldn’t believe what Solzhenitsyn describes — case after case after case of the most extreme atrocities imaginable, never seems to end. Unbelievable cruelty. And I am sure there are still millions of middle aged and eldery in Russia, who via recent oral tradition passed down to them, continue to share the message, as they must!
Now we sit at the precipice of a possible greater Middle East conflict (for the benefit of the Jews and Israel) and it appears to be Russia, and Russia alone, taking the high ground to stop this perfidious Jewish foolishness.
Putin seems to be the right leader at the right time in this most troubled world. I hope so!
Taylor May 31, 2012 @ 8:45 am
“…and it appears to be Russia, AND RUSSIA ALONE, taking the high ground to stop this perfidious Jewish foolishness…”
Please note that China stands tightly on the side of Russia as far as Syria goes. The Chinese have lost billions of investments in Lybia when the Jew pulled a fast one on China and Russia by getting them to abstain at the UN. They will not be so foolish a second time.
Besides, the Chinese must be fully aware what it would mean for them if Russia would again fall into the hands of the Jews. Moscow and Beijing have identical interests and so long as they stand side by side the Jew cannot defeat them.
That’s why couragous military in the US are resisting the folly of an attack on Iran.
After the experience of Libya the Chinese have stated clearly: China will not allow Iran to be attacked or occupied.
Insofar as India and Brazil are participating in the currency war against the US Dollar and the Japanese population may not feel all that kindly toward the US and Israel, if all circumstances relating to Fukishima became part of public awareness in Japan, there are potential coalitions shaping up, which must give the Jew sweat-fear and goose pimples all at the same time.
Taylor wrote:
“I am presently reading Solzhenitsyn’s “The Gulag Archipelago.” What a heartwrenching historic account of the notoriously brutal insanity of Zionist Bolshevik Communism from 1918 through 1956.”
‘Bolshevik Communism’ is not ‘Zionist’. It is Jewish…
See: Zionism versus Bolshevism – A struggle for the soul of the Jewish people by Winston Churchill:
http://www.patriot.dk/churchill.html
I think many people are using the word ‘Zionist’ as a more acceptable; more PC (Particularly Cowardly) way to say Jew.
One group seems to want to run from God; to hide from God. The others spite & taunt God, want to fight with God.
But they both reject God. They all agree in their rejection of God; of His Son.
They both hate Christ and His Church.
‘Let God arise and let His enemies be scattered; let those who hate Him flee from before His face.’
Addendum:
Taylor, I was not referring to you as ‘Particularly Cowardly’… but only ‘Political Correctness’ itself.
The notion that: Jews are good / Zionists are bad is a dangerous fallacy.
If Zionism is defined as Jewish nationalism – then this means true Zionists want to leave our nations, and to have their own country. This should be a good thing for us then shouldn’t it?
(Non- Zionist or anti-Zionist) Jews want to remain in our countries… many parasitically. They want to stay and manipulate us in every sphere here. This is much worse than them leaving and going elsewhere!
Let them have their own country (in Birobidjan rather than in Palestine I say) and let them go there. Our nations must be Christian and free; truly free from the Jewish banking monopoly on money creation and infinitely perpetual interest payments on the un-necessary ‘National Debt’.
Holowhoppers:
“The crematorium was in the background and I could see that people were being sent in one end and that there were ashes at the other end ten minutes later…. I washed in my own urine….”
Kitty Hart in “Kitty – a return to Auschwitz”. BBC, 1979
http://citizenfitz09.blogspot.com/
The residents of Houla have stated that the people who carried out the massacre in Houla were the opponents of Assad, in other words, the CIA’s death squads….
http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2012/05/cia-death-squads-did-houla-massacre.html
@The Prodigal Son
Thank you for your pointers.
Jews inhabiting and running Birobidjan? Just looked up Birobidjan as I didn’t know anything about it. Sounds like this place is already well equiped and therefore well situated for Jews.
However, instead, how about Jews encapulating themselves in the most remote region of Siberia or Antartica, where they can inflict harm only to themselves, while leaving non-Jews the hell alone!
If Putin is really “The One,” Jews should have long ago called him a new “Hitler” but they don’t, do they?
Sorry, I forgot that Ahmedinejad is the “Hitler” of the Day. Would two simultaneous “Hitlers” have been too much even for a real fanatic Yid?
Did China really officially warned Israel/US off Iran? Is there anything that suggests they did it without a publicizing it?
What is the real influence of Jewry in Chinese politics? If the US is the only Golem, why are money-Jews doing everything to implode it?
Was selling of the S-300 system by Byelarus instead of by Russia Putin’s attempt to avoid criticism or worse from the US?
“A prominent British journal recently wrote that Moscow might be selling S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Iran, using Belarus as a middleman to hide the sale.
“Although all three governments have denied such a sale, on April 21 Minsk received its first delivery of Russian S-300PS missiles.
“On that same day Russian Defense Minister Sergey Ivanov was in Minsk with a delegation of military officers dscussing, among other things, expanding anti-aircraft cooperation, and a senior Iranian delegation was also in Minsk, supposedly seeking to expand commercial ties with Belarus.”
http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,4939.msg21202.html?PHPSESSID=394f76ffa376074003b60475362c49c6#msg21202
Fine work, Brother Nathanael.
Vladimir Putin scares the gefilte fish right out of them. The rouble is 20% backed by gold. The Federal Reserve Note is 100% backed by…nothing.
Russian Christians have undoubtedly read the Book Of Jeremiah, wherein Christ Rex verbally lambastes the House of Israel. Your studious posts are a mighty column unmoved by the Samson Option.
@ Paul87
May 30, 2012 @ 9:22 pm
“I hope Poland, Ukraine and Eastern Europe stop being such blind supporters of the West. The reality is you can bargain with both, and I hope my Slavic brothers join them. ”
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The common people of Poland, Ukraine and Eastern Europe are govern by the ‘blind supporters of the West’ and have no voice.
So, lets not generalize it please, as it unfairly puts all the nations in bed light.
Polish politician: Leave Poland alone, you Jew (2009):
http://www.eutimes.net/2009/11/polish-politician-leave-poland-alone-you-jew-or-well-cut-your-hands-off/
Chinese Admiral Threatens World War to Protect Iran
By Matthew Robertson
Epoch Times Staff Created: December 6, 2011 Last Updated: December 22, 2011
On Dec. 4, according to a report in Press TV, a news network owned by the Iranian government, Chinese rear admiral and prominent military commentator Zhang Zhaozhong said, “China will not hesitate to protect Iran even with a third world war.”
It is not clear when the statement was made or in what context. Once reported, the statement went viral in China and elsewhere.
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/china-news/chinese-admiral-threatens-world-war-to-protect-iran-154434.html
Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:35PM GMT
China has rejected new US sanctions on Iranian oil imports by other countries saying that Washington has no right to enforce unilateral sanction on other nations according to its domestic law.
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-03/D9TRD5T80.htm
China is a major importer of raw commodities from Iran.
Having lost its supply lines from Libya and in the light of limited world resources I regard it as unlikely that China will sit down without doing anything and watch for herself to be cut off from her supplies of raw commodities.
There have been reports of negotiations between Pakistan and China for China to get land access to Iran via Pakistan. Note that Pakistan has kicked out US troops since their main activity there seems to have been to kill Pakistani soldiers and villagers by drones!
I am beginning to get reminiscences from “1984.”
Yep, a conflict in Iran between superpowers (even by proxies) would not remain localized like Vietnam was.
Thanks, Wotan.
Russia With Putin Should Be One Of The World’s Top Five Economies By 2020
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRsWkDSeXIs&feature=related
Salbuchi: Putin a break against neo-colonial West
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbB4GBTe2GM
What should religious doctors do if a Gentile is injured in a car accident on Shabbat and is rushed to the hospital? According to Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, this does not warrant violating the sanctity of the Sabbath.
During a class on Sabbath halacha relating to religious physicians, the spiritual leader of Shas said that while doctors are expected to do everything in their power – even if it requires violating the Sabbath – in order to save Jews whose lives are in danger, the same does not apply for Gentiles.
If a Gentile were to get injured in a car accident during Sabbath, and he is brought to the hospital – Israel must not treat him.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4229767,00.html
Also see: scribd.com/doc/46566146/Who-is-Esau-Edom
Zionism should be wary of antagonising Russia, Russia could retaliate by revealing what its archives have to say about the reality of Nazi death camps.
Remember, the Zionists claimed all the concentration camps were death camps, on investigation however, all camps found by the Allies were revealed to be nothing more than concentration camps, whereas all the ones the Russians found, had their death camp status maintained by the Soviet Russians. (Who did have a rather large axe to grind against the Nazis).
MEMO
The Zionist Matrix of Power (1h36′)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJO3la_ZHw8
Peter Rossa May 31, 2012 @ 5:15 pm
says:
“Zionism should be wary of antagonising Russia, Russia could retaliate by revealing what its archives have to say about the reality of Nazi death camps.”
Why keeping it a secret for so long?
Why not revealing it yet?
Putin said in 2005:
” Soviet collapse is a ‘tragedy of the century’ ”
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-04/26/content_437466.htm
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Here is a scientific paper that demonstrates the power the Chosenites’ propaganda about Nazis.
Note that there is some scientific terminology that may be alien to many readers. However, the general idea of this scientific work is given by the conclusions reached (the last 2 sentences in the Summary).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3110757/
Twin Town in South Brazil: A Nazi’s Experiment or a Genetic Founder Effect?
Appendix to previous link on the power of Chosenites’ propaganda
Nazi Angel of Death not responsible for town of twins
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16492-nazi-angel-of-death-not-responsible-for-town-of-twins.html
@The Prodigal Son
It would be good if ALL Jews left to Israel, but that won’t happen will it? Wherever the Jew is they spew their propaganda.
Jews are vocal (whether directly or indirectly) they are not easily scared because the whole government (in the West) is protecting them.
In a sense it is them (ZoG). They have money on their side, the government, banks, and many gullible “goyim.”
@Deer’s Mountain
Poland is part of ZoG, partly or fully I don’t know. Yes, there are outspoken folk but that is NOT enough.
Poland does anything bad that goes against the “chosen ones” and USA/Britain/France/etc would pull another Serbia.
The Judeo-West does not care for the East as long as they can profit and push their ways on the people.
However the people are known to fight and revolt. The fact is most people in Poland are aware (over 50 percent). The government would most likely prevent anything getting out of hand. Would the people prevail? Maybe.
Poland and Hungary are very “iffy” in the west. As ADL says they are “anti-semitic beyond limits” or something along those lines.
Poland can not afford to go by itself because of history. While it is good they need an ally and Russia might be better.
One other problem is some Poles like the improving economy (partly because of the nation and partly because of EU). What if the same Judeo-sphere sanctions them?
@Nicolae
Russias economy is indeed improving. Will they be top 5? I dont know. Some projections simply have them surpassing just a couple nations which is not top 5.
@Peter Rossa
What the Russians have may or may not be critical information. The western media (run by Jews) is powerful. Unless a top Russian said it, they can silence people, or any other number of things.
@ Peter Rossa May 31, 2012 @ 5:15 pm
The Auschwitz files, which the Russians had captured in 1945, were released by them for inspection in 1995, exactly 50 years after classification.
International Jewry could not succeed to stop the release of these files and that is the reason why I often say that some people do not understand the precise nature of how Jewish power works and to where it is limited geographically.
Jewish power was also not able to prevent the fusion of East and West Germany, but since then, they have done grand work to make up for that.
Cynics say that West Germany was taken over by East Germany. The Russian release of the Auschwitz files has effectively brought about the collapse of the holocaust story.
It continues to exist only in the minds of those, who are not able to understand the past and the present, or those, who, for expediency, pretend to still see a dressed emperor when in reality he has been running around naked for quite some time.
What would be of interest today is the release of the reports of Roman Catholic priests, who were attached to the camps and the reports of the International Red Cross, which carried out regular inspections, even of Auschwitz, without hindrance or restriction.
But the vaults remain closed in Geneva and in the Vatican, and they seem not accessible so far as there may be documents, which would give the Jewish money-spinning religion of the holofraud the final blow, reaching even those who live in the valley of the clueless and the naive…
@ Deer’s Mountain May 31, 2012 @ 7:54 pm
Have you ever compared the Sowjet and the Russian map? What exactly to you expect Putin to say to that?
Thank you Bro Nathanael for your fine work and bringing Truth to light.
Many people do not want the Truth to be spoken or heard. I have a great deal of respect for Mr. Putin; he is a true leader and patriot for his country.
It’s too bad we have so few in this country even as elected officials.
@ Deer Mountain May 31, 2012 @ 2:11 pm (previous thread)
“The hatred and anti-Polonism expressed by some here was duly noticed.”
Dear Deer Mountain,
Concerning your apparent frustration over, as you put it, “hatred and anti-Polonism”:
I can tell you what I myself have experienced since I began to seriously study the circumstances and origins of WW II.
I became aware of the enormous scale of the suffering of German civilians before and during September 1939.
My German father and grandfather failed to tell me the whole truth. Maybe they didn’t have the whole picture. Maybe they didn’t want to antagonize my mother who was Polish. Too late to ask.
When I today visit Poland, I am appalled by the rat race after “victimhood” between Poles and Jews. Monuments and memoirs of Polish and Jewish martyrdom multiply and fluorish.
What totally lacks in Poland, old and young generations alike, is the understanding of the suffering of Germans and Russians (and others), and the enduring enmity towards Germany and Russia with an absence of attempts of reconciliation based on the truth and understanding of the other side.
One could call this a lack of empathy on a national scale. And we know what kind of psychological deviants lack empathy.
That’s the state of affairs in today’s Poland and I don’t like it.
What you perceive as hostility towards Poland and Poles is the direct consequence of the above. Also young Russians loathe Poland and, from my contacts with the Russian business circles I know that, quite apart from everything else, this Polish “eternal victim attitude” also affects negatively financial relations and trade between Poland and Russia.
What one younger Russian exec said very bluntly but sincerely to me, one can, I guess, generalize as the attitude of younger Russians to Poland:
“Let them Poles shove their Katyn up their a..! We don’t like them and we don’t care about doing business with them. Our People suffered too, but the Poles want a monopole.”
I do not negate that many Poles suffered injustly under German, and particularly Soviet, rule.
Take it or leave it Deer. You can begin to learn from it or fire one more complaint. What would be a Christian and what a Jewish reaction?
“Finally, in case no one’s actually noticed: the electoral process in America, and probably everywhere else, has been subverted.
Our votes are mostly worthless. The candidates who get elected are mostly worthless – owned apparachiks of the plutocrats who rigged their elections.
They all have no intention of letting a mass of unbathed peasants upset their carefully laid plans….”
http://citizenfitz09.blogspot.com/
Wotan:
“Jewish power was also not able to prevent the fusion of East and West Germany, but since then, they have done grand work to make up for that.”
Can you get into that more? My understanding is that Jewry *wanted* the reuniting of the two Germanies. East Germany being effectively bankrupt the bankers needed someone to assume it’s debts.
Reunited and it feels so gooood….
Lithuania’s new Holocaust fund sparks a row
Foreign Ministry calls 36-million Euro allocation an ‘important step of historical justice,’ but PMO’s restitution task force says it’s too little, too late
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-government-agencies-disagree-on-new-lithuania-holocaust-restitution-plan/
Citizenfitz June 1, 2012 @ 10:14 am
The post-Beria Sowjet Union cannot be compared to the Sowjet Union of earlier days.
In the 60’s and 70’s Sowjet Russia even became the patron of Arabs with a distinct anti-Israel posture. If there still was the Jewish link between Moscow and Washington, I think very few people knew about it and it became less and less important.
Still, Goleniewski knew about it, but nothing happened to Kissinger.
It also became less and less likely that the “world revolution” could succeed from Moscow and so Lieberalism was brought to bear on the US (replacing Moscow take-over ideas) and Perestroika a while later in Russia.
So there were was no place for Jewish Banks to be involved or instrumental in East Germany going together with West Germany except perhaps the Strauss loans, but this was German money.
True, East Germany was bankrupt, but probably less so than Russia, which still had its fixed Rubel in those days. In the best streets of Moscow you could see old ladies sitting on the floor trying to sell old cooking pots to get something to eat for themselves and their families, and Russian raw materials were still been tapped with ancient contraptions.
The impetus for all this came therefore not from Jews, but from Russia. One can say German reunification was carried out against the Jews and against the body politics in Germany with the latter consisting mainly of Jewish stooges.
The Russians realized that an axis Berlin-Moscow with a capitalist Russia would be a fine thing.
And so the Jews quickly knocked off Hess in Spandau before the Russians could release him as a gesture to the Germans, with the Russians not realizing that the Germans had been re-educated so well that they would regard this as an hostile act as they also did with Russian offers on part of Eastern Prussia.
With Hess having been whacked out, massive pressure was launched on Germany from the Jewish side to stay clear of the Russians and book after book appeared from independent authors to inform Germans of German Government Officials and Jews, who had pronounced themselves against reunification.
Most were not as crude as Maggie Thatcher, but often heard were these pseudo-intellectual phrases “there must be a second way” or some called it even a third way. But in this case, Citizenfitz, no Jewish Banks and no Jews.
The Jews were probably as surprised as most Germans! But once all was done the Jew did his homework and made sure that nothing surprising could happend in Germany again.
So we were blessed with the dodo Angela Merkel, who is administrating us for Usrael to this very day and she is travelling to the US once a year to collect another Jewish medal for her loyal services!
List of Holocaust films
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Holocaust_films
This HoloHoax has been going on since 1946
This is a LONG LIST of films
Examples:
“The Grey Zone” based on the book; Auschwitz: A Doctor’s Eyewitness Account written by Dr. Miklos Nyiszli
“God on Trial” A group of Jewish prisoners in Auschwitz put God on trial as they blame Him for the tragedies of the Holocaust
Dear Has C:
Quite an analysis on Polish idiosyncracy.-
As I can see it, they need another corner of the earth to move on, they worshipping of London-DC it is a stumbling block in a closer approach with Germany and perhaps the rest of Europe.-
But it is not Poland alone in its hatred of Russia, as former Eastern Block nations share the same feeling, although the Poles include Germany as well.-
In my opinion, it takes time to dilute such a psychotic atmosphere which, as the World shows it is very scarce considering the fast pace of events leading to a definitive Jewish command of the Eurozone.-
Insofar, the best leverage exerted upon the resentful mind has been the gas price provided by Russia, a truly convincing tool to negotiate and something that neither the US-UK nor Israel can provide.-
As a former Jew who abandoned the Jewish belief system (Talmudic Judaism is not a religion because the Jew worships money, not God) and turned my life over to the Divine Savior of mankind, Jesus Christ, I can say with absolute certainty: There is NO difference between Zionism and Judaism. They are one and the same.
People who use the word “Zionist” are playing into the Jew’s hands, because instead of “naming the Jew,” they are making it sound like Judaism is something religious.
Judaism is not a religion. Judaism is an organized criminal conspiracy, created and maintained by a demonic cult of Christ-hating kikes to fleece Christians out of their hard-earned money.
The Jews do it any way they can. Sometimes it’s capitalism, which is a Jewish scheme to force Christians into poverty while the Jews live like kings.
Sometimes it’s communism, which is the Jewish method of destroying Christ and His Church.
Sometimes it’s both of them together, at the same time.
Jews are famous for taking both sides at once, so that no matter which side wins and which side loses, the Jew comes out on top.
The only winner is the Eternal Jew!
That is why there is truth in the old saying, “Never trust a Jew.” As a famous rabbi once said, “Some call it Marxism — I call it Judaism” (Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, The American Bulletin, May 15, 1935).
The holohoax is nothing more or less than a Zionist, er, Jewish lie, designed to make Christians feel guilty so that we will support the bandit state of Israel with our money, and ultimately the flower of our Christian youth who are sent to fight and die in the Jews’ wars.
The only way to defeat organized Jewry is to part them from their money. Since the Jews control the media, we are force-fed Jew-propaganda so that we do whatever the Jews command us to do. Once the Jewish stranglehold on the media is loosened and removed, the kikes will drown in their own filth.
The Nature of The Beast (another moment)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c069GaEk5oM&feature=plcp
Title: His Rachel Corrie Moment. (2 mins)
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Has C. June 1, 2012 @ 7:34 am
A very sensible and comparatively objective article, which contains no visible points for criticism.
In some way, Has C, your words plausibly and authentically reflect your background as you describe it in your posts.
As I have said before, such positions can be a working platform to avoid senseless bickering and I hope Deer will also try to move his thoughts a little onward, because some of his recent comments were not far from stirring or even implied threats!
Has C. & etterling,
Insofar from my observations, all the complaints about the Polish hatred towards Germans and Russians are being propagandized NOT by the Poles, but by certain commenters here, dutifully inflaming already ‘red’ spots.
Complaints on my part? No.Frustration? YES!
The Russians expression of: “Let them Poles shove their Katyn up their a..!” wouldn’t go down well with the roles being reversed: “Enough of soviet rules! Let them shove it up their a..!”
And it certainly didn’t go well, for the collapse of communism started from Poland.
Or, another example, “Let them expelled Germans shove their borders claims up their a.., for we were expelled too!”
Or, yet again; “Let them Germans shove the bombardments of Dresden or the rape of their women up their a..!”
Ouch!! I can imagine the backlash, which is the most possible scenario already included in the future plans of certain leaders.
You know, when one applies such a disrespectful and arrogant attitude in regard to the Polish issues as “Polish idiosyncracy,” don’t be surprised getting a likewise attitude in return.
And the common foe is rubbing his hands right now.
“Good work, folks!!”
Well, be rather careful, do not underestimate it.
Because Jews KNOW that Vladimir Putin booted out the Jewish oligarchs, put Khodorkovsky, a Rothschild agent in jail, and will not countenance Jew “democracy,” Jew promoted “homosexual depravity,” and Jew-owned casinos with its attendant prostitution.
True, Vladimir Vladimirovich did close down the casinos in Spb but I am not sure he closed down the apartment brothels scattered about town.
Lieberman as secret-ary of state? Oh please God don’t let this happen.
Imagine Lieberman visiting muslim countries around the world?!?!? What would they make of America? Downfall!
Deer’s Mountain June 2, 2012 @ 3:10 am
I can understand your feelings about Katyn and the possible attitude of young Russians about it – as quoted in one article. But before you raise a “hellstorm” about it you should remember that the official Polish position was for some 40 years that the Germans were responsible for this.
Before you let this Polish juggernaut roll on I would recommend you to watch the original movie reels of the German army after they reconquered the small village of Nemmersdorf.
I will spare you the graphic details. Yet today there is peace between Russians and Germans.
Going through German websites and Russian opinion polls you will see what can happen if people know the difference between “War and Peace”! And before you go on you should also consider, like Etterling suggested if I am not mistaken, that in history there were many periods where large numbers of Poles were living as minorities or even as local majorites on ancestral German lands in the East.
But when it comes to progroms it seems to have been a one-sided story at all times! So why don’t you just put on the brakes a little and act as your pen is suggesting, i. e. to concentrate on the common foe.
@Deer Mountain you said:
“You know… when one applies such a disrespectful and arrogant attitude in regard to the Polish issues as “Polish idiosyncracy,” don’t be surprised getting a likewise attitude in return.”
I agree with you here. I am ethnically Polish. If they ignore the Holocaust they are ignoring 2-2.5 million Polish deaths.
Some individuals would come here and start telling me about the expulsion of German and Eastern European deaths and Holodomar. Well guess what I know and respect these tragic events. I know of the 65 million deaths. I am no Jew propagandist.
Every nation including Germany, Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Britain, US, etc, etc are guilty of different crimes across the the centuries.
Do Jews over-exaggerate their suffering and numbers? Of course.
@Has C. you said…
“What one younger Russian exec said very bluntly but sincerely to me, one can, I guess, generalize as the attitude of younger Russians to Poland:
“Let them Poles shove their Katyn up their a..! We don’t like them and we don’t care about doing business with them. Our People suffered too, but the Poles want a monopole.””
Pure nonsense and you know it. The problem is some Poles just can’t take the answer they dislike. Like these people who are calling for the investigation into the plane crash. We will most likely never know 100 PERCENT.
Nazism and Communism were both evil. This is a fact. “Good” people don’t go slaying other. Nazism killed 2 million at least and Communism killed 300,000 max number I ever read from historians.
At the same time Communism destroyed Poland for many decades.
Did Poland do crimes? Yes. It went into Lithuania, Czech, Ukraine, and some not so good things happened to Germans.
**In a feature OpEd of the Jew-dominated Financial Times, “Time To Blackball Russia’s Autocratic State,” (& Here), Ian Bremmer and Nouriel Roubini—both Jews—just can’t seem to satisfy the anti-Christ rats in their bellies in their malice toward Christian Russia.**
Wahat!? It sounds like Roubini and Bremmer could use a good dose of Russian brand resilient scabies in their bedsheets to keep them busy for a month or two trying to get rid of the bugs! haha 🙂 The Jews never give up, do they?
By the way, Roubini and his constant negative outlooks are like the proverbial broken clock – right twice a day. 🙂
Dear Bro Nat,
I have just listened to your interview on rense radio together with Atzmon.
One can summarise it like this: The Jew is aiming to turn America into a huge Palestine and the Americans are too simple minded to see where the train is moving viz. who is heading the train.
Regretfully it is as you say, Bro Nat, that these Jewish power structures cannot be broken down as easy as that and it will require the complete collapse of the entire infrastructure of America before millions of Americans will go on the streets and start to chase those responsible.
I have said several times on this site that I believe the end is near and I was therefore not surprised to hear from Atzmon that he sees this the same way and is trying to advise Jews to mend their ways else the cataclysmic fall will inevitably come – even if it may first have to reach the stage that a piece of bread costs $15 Dollars and a small injury will mean virtually a death sentence for the average American citizen because he cannot afford any more to pay for the required medication!
Atzmon has quoted some interesting statistics: In Europe, from country to country, 75% to 85% of the people see the Jews and Israel as the main problem in this world, but only 50% of Americans hold the same opinion.
When one considers that the impetus of resistance must come from America these are not exactly great signs of hope! Let us assume, therefore, in order for the cataclysmic fall to come as predicted, that the American statistics are forged!
EXCLUSIVE: Obama weighs sending 5,000 armed monitors to prevent Al Qaeda from grabbing Syrian WMD
May 31st, 2012
http://investmentwatchblog.com/exclusive-obama-weighs-sending-5000-armed-monitors-to-prevent-al-qaeda-from-grabbing-syrian-wmd/#.T8oZ7sWwVW0
I think I can understand Deer’s Mountain’s frustration.
It is, by and large, counter-productive to argue over who did what to whom and who is to blame for this or for that while the Talmudists are fleecing everyone. Europeans need, first and foremost, unity. All these complex historical issues can be dealt with later when times are more favourable.
Of course, in order to understand what is happening we need to know history but we should focus on that part of history that is relevant to the problem with which we are dealing.
Russophobia in Poland is a result of a lack of information and knowledge about many issues. The Katyn massacre is seen as a “Russian” crime. It was, however, a Soviet crime. More than that, those who carried it out were mostly Jewish. But neither the Polish elites not the media ever mention the Jewish factor.
It is hardly surprising – they represent the interests of international Khazaria. Even the Catholic Church has become a Khazarian puppet.
In the circumstances like these it’s a little unfair to blame ordinary Polish people for this ignorance. How many people in the West know that the Tsarist family was murdered by the Talmudists? Not many, from what I know.
How many people in the West know that Marx hated Slavs and said the most racist things about them? Almost everyone knows that Nazis allegedly hated Slavs but this good old Karl Marx? Mention that to any leftist and he will be really surprised.
Russophobia, moreover, is not only limited to Poland. It is, for example, very strong in the French media. The UK is not any better. Even Finland has become Russophobic to some extent. It was friendlier to Russia during the Soviet days than it is today.
Theodor Herzl, whom we know as the founder of political Zionism, said that if you want to rule the world you need to take control over Russia. The Khazarians want to conquer Russia, more specifically they want its wealth, its natural resources etc. For this they need Russophobia.
Deer Mountain & Paul87:
It was not with derogatory or offensive purpose that I employed the term “idiosyncracy,” as its correct meaning refers to habits or temperament.-
The resurgence of the Polish issue it is pushing us back into the thirties without answering current monumental problems, like worrying about the receeding water level of a pond and not focusing on a full-force tsunami that is coming to overflow us all.-
Let’s commmit ourselves to the oncoming times as past differences or present particular benefits would not rid us to be the victims of the ongoing devilish master plan designs.-
As I suspect, it is BN webpage purpose to open our eyes and minds to save our Christian World and well-being.-
Like the Titanic passengers, we seem to be caring more about our individual fate, in this case our pride, than the life of all in the boat, meanwhile the ship goes to the bottom of the ocean.-
Certainly, the revision of History has brought plenty of light on obscure facts and the permanent MSM scam on gentile motivations, but lucky as we are to have met through the web and BN’s conducting knowledge, it would mostly benefitial to share ideas on organizing and techniques to stand against our common enemy.-
@Wotan you said:
“One can summarise it like this: The Jew is aiming to turn America into a huge Palestine and the Americans are too simple minded to see where the train is moving viz. who is heading the train. ”
I agree. Also they are trying to make it like Bolshevik Russia from almost 100 years ago. Ban of religion, prisons, where only the Jew and some of his lackeys are at the top. They are doing it slower and more carefully this time around.
“Atzmon has quoted some interesting statistics: In Europe, from country to country, 75% to 85% of the people see the Jews and Israel as the main problem in this world, but only 50% of Americans hold the same opinion. ”
I think these numbers are too much.
Europe 60-70, USA 30-40. But then again we all have our own ideas so who knows what the truth is.
Wotan @ June 1, 2012 @ 12:36 pm:
This turns my previous understanding of Germany’s reunification on its head. It does makes sense though. But the fall of the USSR and the immediate rise of the Jewish “oligarchs” complicates the picture.
Did the two European earthquakes: the reunification of Germany and the fall of the Soviet Union therefore proceed from different causes?
Was the collapse of the Soviet Union an internal affair or part of a larger geopolitical ferment?
In order not to take space, I wrote a reply to Paul87 and Deer’s Mountain, as well as others interested our history discussion, on the “Modern Man” thread.
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=724#comment-537678
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I truly enjoyed the meeting of minds at Rense’s. It’s obvious that Atzmon is more optimistic and diplomatic whilst +BN is more passionate and, perhaps, realistic.
I guess this is a question of temperament and personal experiences. Gilad does not get spat upon by haughty Jews in the streets of America like +BN does. He is a successful musician used to cheering public and enjoying pen-wars against misogynic scribes.
When I read Wotan’s “The Jew is aiming to turn America into a huge Palestine” I came to think of the movie “Escape From New York” ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQsvYV6Ro5I ).
If things go in that direction, it will be very hard to vanquish the System even if internet stay and guns not get confiscated.
Think of those 30000 drones alone!
“International Bureau of Double Standards” – The CNN / Iran File by Anthony Lawson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aILAMMfIj5Q
About (24 Minutes) and a MUST SEE
Christine Amanpour looks very bad in this, a closet Zionist?
Objective views and comments by many others that expose Israel.
Israels view of defence is “pre-emptive strikes” to “perceived” threats.
IMHO, this issue is like a mirror image of Germany. Iran must have studied Germany under Hitler and learned some VERY valuable lessons.
Pre WWII, the Jews could hide in various ratholes and pull strings behind the scenes…few if any connected the dots. Israel literally rose out of the ashes of Germany.
Iran is a very nationalist country..hmm sounds like Germany under Hitler pre-Israel.
Israel, the Zionist Jews can’t find many more rocks to crawl under….running out of new tricks.
Iran, via a historical review of Germany, most likely have all bases covered. It has learned from history and will not repeat the mistakes. This interview gives this impression of major confidence in Iran, which Germany once had, while the Israelis rant like spoiled children and madmen.
Now, the Jews have a base, a physical country–an “Idol”–that bluntly and blatantly defines them and exposes them as a potential target.
The video makes Israel look very bad, which is good. Jewry and its true beliefs are exposed naked to the world.
QUOTES near end of the video
— “Israeli driven sanctions against Iran are having a disastrous affect on the worlds economy.”
— “To ignore the effect of sanctions against Iran, (a nation with an estimated 10% of the world’s total proven petroleum reserves, the world’s 4th largest oil produce) is out-and-out economic insanity.”
— “Who are the Enemies Inside the Gate of My Country?”
— “Who are the politicians, the so-called journalists and the “expert” commentators who are selling my future and that of my children for the proverbial Thirty Pieces of Silver?”
— “To me, it is evident that a majority of the practitioners and supporters of Zionism are racist, elitist and intolerant of those who hold different views and opinions from their own.”
@Marina June 2, 2012 @ 8:20 am
“Theodor Herzl, whom we know as the founder of political Zionism, said that if you want to rule the world you need to take control over Russia. The Khazarians want to conquer Russia, more specifically they want its wealth, its natural resources etc. For this they need Russophobia.”
I am afraid you are right, dear Marina.
Also, it looks as if the good, old Halford MacKinder (and Zbig Brzezinski long after him) learned a little something from Herzl. MacKinder’s “Heartland Theory” was only formulated in 1904! Not to speak of Haushofer.
An interesting reinterpretation of MacKinder by Pascal Venier:
http://www.pascalvenier.com/venier2004c.pdf
Perhaps Wilhelm II was much wiser than many think today. The fear of Russo-German alliance twice proposed by him (and even, mistakenly, announced in The Times in September 1904) must have been a nightmare for the Jews and Britons so they decided to eliminate both.
Now they are at it again.
Marina June 2, 2012 @ 8:20 am
You wrote: “How many people in the West know that Marx hated Slavs and said the most racist things about them?”
Not Gilad Atzmon whose knowledge of Marx must be fragmentary:
“Karl Marx was not at all a racist” wrote Gilad in his piece here:
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/the-banality-of-jewish-symbolism-by-gilad-atzmon.html
But he also wrote very perspicaciously:
“In 1979, Pope John Paul II called Auschwitz the “Golgotha of the modern world.” Yet, along this line of thinking, something went horribly wrong. While Jesus’ suffering is interpreted by his followers as a call for mercy and compassion, Dagan’s grandfather’s shoa experience is interpreted by the national Jew as a call for retribution and vengeance.
“As disastrous as it may sound, the holocaust religion that was recognized by Israeli Philosopher Yeshayahu Leibowitz as the new Jewish religion, is nothing less than a crude and sinister call for murder. It is probably the most resentful religion known to man.”
Some other heresies of John Paul II (thanks to Citizenfitz for the link):
http://www.patrickpollock.com/101heresiesjp2.html
CAVEAT: It’s not easy to remain a Roman Catholic after THIS! It may be that the man was a Polish Marrano after all.
Citizenfitz June 2, 2012 @ 11:01 am
No, they did not emanate from different causes. Capitalism (and I am not talking about predator capitalism) is simply superior to Communism. The reason is that it motivates people better than Communism.
That was the cause of Russia’s failure in comparison to the Western World. Russia was effectively bankrupt. In 1990 huge German monetary transfers helped them to stay above water. So the Russians realised somehow somewhere that they must do what the Chinese did a little later, which means to create free markets so as to motivate people.
Unfortunately the Russians didn’t succeed as well as the Chinese, which may have had its cause in the fact that the Russian Sowjet empire was a multinational empire similar to the kuk monarchy and they had a strong fifth column of Jew sleepers from Stalin and Beria times, who were just waiting to open the race.
I guess the real Russians, those who wanted to do the best for their country, they knew the Germans had capital and were loaded with technology whilst Russia had endless stretches of land with buried raw materials, but no capital.
So when Germany and Russia could come together that would be a great alliance.
So whilst the true Russian politicians concentrated themselves on the great agenda of German re-unification, by which help this mutually beneficial alliance between Germany and Russia should come about, they lost sight of who were the people who positioned themselves around the power switches of the internal economy.
One such tragic true Russian may have been Gorbatschov, who is highly honoured in Germany at any of his visits, but whom the Russian population holds largely responsible for the Sowjet Union falling apart. Not that the Russians at that time wanted to maintain Communism, by no means, but they also didn’t want to lose the huge territories, which they lost.
The 2nd misjudgment on the part of the Russians was that they had no idea to what degree the Germans had been subjugated by Usrael, and that they would therefore REFUSE to take their chance to break away from subjugation into a free alliance with Russia, with the latter being a nightmare for Jewish planners.
This German stance may, however, have also had something to do with the “enemy state” clauses anchored in the preamble of the UN to this very day!
So the Germans got the good deal of reunification, the Russians, who had helped them with good intentions got the bad deal of Jewish plundering and no alliance with Germany. And the Germans remained unified slaves as before!
The Russians have meanwhile recovered economically and can pay their way, and with the prices of raw materials multiplying they are also doing well today and have renewed their old equipment. And the Russians have Putin, a man with whom we Germans could do so well instead of Jew-Mutti Angela!
CAVEAT: It’s not easy to remain a Roman Catholic after THIS! It may be that the man was a Polish Marrano after all.
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I am Roman Catholic, but I have learned not to put my faith in ANY human being. I didn’t leave the faith when there were the clergy abuse stories etc. It caused sober reflection for many, but did not hasten a “mass” desertion. Those that left and use that as an excuse were simply weak and looking for an excuse.
Our Church is bursting at the seams–SRO. Our current church is almost 50 years old, with SIX Masses on weekend. Our plans are to build a new one due to demand.
I think Christ was of the K.I.S.S. spirituality.
The Bible and the 10 Commandments should suffice. Beyond that, and over-intellectualization–“THE MESSAGE” gets lost and the sheep stray.
@Marina
The “Khazar” theory is insupportable.
Jews have been in dispersion since the reign of King Solomon with his trading ships some 1000 years before Christ. Thus established Jewish communities far from Israel’s borders were in place by the time of Christ’s appearing.
After Solomon the Assyrian and Babylonian captivities expanded Jewish dispersion further afield into the Caucasus long before the Khazars converted to Judaism. But even then Jews were well established throughout Europe far from the Caucasus. This is why most Jews today don’t look Semitic.
Dr David Duke also does not subscribe to the Khazar theory. +BN
@bubba June 2, 2012 @ 4:57 pm
I said difficult, not impossible, and I ain’t leavin either.
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A great video from a fine video maker, Lawson.
Iranians have been living under this Jewish sword of Damocles for almost ten years now. Likewise, Germany has been under Jewish threat of war after its official declaration by Samuel Untermeyer in 1933.
If the Zios are at least as strong today as they were in 1939, and we have no reason to exclude this possibility, the blow will eventually come.
You are right saying that Zios have in the Zio entity a hiding place, a secure house, where to hide nuclear weapons, spy facilities, gold and criminals. It IS a criminal gang, after all. Hitler predicted it.
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A zucker will always remain a zucker:
He may be worth $20 billion, but when Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg took his new wife to lunch during their secret honeymoon in Rome he spent just 32 euros (£26) – and did not leave a tip.
http://tinyurl.com/ewigzucker
Marina, as usual, shows the wisest common sense in her post for which I applaud you.
I agree, that education is the key which is rather very difficult to apply in countries like Poland insofar. Lots of her citizens were unaware of Katyn or were simply misled.
No wonder that things go high-wire when eventually revealed.
All they truly wished for was having the Russian government acknowledging this long suppressed crime committed at Stalin’s order by his Judeo-communist henchmen. As a result the presidential plane goes down in suspicious circumstances, the significance of Katyn’s commemoration has turned into another tragedy.
There is more evidence that there was an explosion before the crash. The report produced by Russians contained many incorrect or false information.
Now, imagine Angela Merkel’s or Putin’s plane going down in any country. Would you allow for this country to take over the investigation? Try to put yourself in the shoes of the Poles in this case.
Wotan,
“But when it comes to pogroms it seems to have been a one-sided story at all times! So why don’t you just put on the brakes a little and act as your pen is suggesting, i. e. to concentrate on the common foe.”
Funny for you to say what I have been suggesting all along, but I’m glad to see that eventually you came to this conclusion.
Just make sure please, that it goes both ways.
This is the only way to make it work.
Besides, as a Christian I can only suggest to respect thy neighbor as you would yourself for you never know…perhaps some day their support could come in handy against the common foe.
Dear Brother Nathanael:
Thank you again and again on ALL your articles. No one on the net is treating the Jewish question with the honesty that you are.
I would like to share another website with your audience. Look up Bertrand Comparet sermons and in particular The Destruction of America sermon. He foretells in his sermons exactly what you are telling us is happening and is going to happen.
He died some years ago and yet he is spot on with what you are telling us. God bless his soul; and God bless you and keep you safe from harm. Joyce
A NY Times story shows the typical Jewish fate during WW2, with a twist:
“It is not clear how the survivor, Riven Flamenbaum, came into possession of a precious 3,200-year-old Assyrian tablet after his liberation from Auschwitz in 1945, when he was sent to a displaced persons camp in southeastern Germany. (…)
The tablet was looted from the Vorderasiatisches Museum in Berlin in 1945. (…) A state appellate court in Brooklyn has ordered the family to return the tablet to the Museum.”
The family throws a typical Judaic tantrum: “It was all he had left from ‘that bitter time,’ and he wished to hand it down to his children and future generations to serve as a reminder of the brutality and decimation of his family at the hands of the Nazis.”
( http://tinyurl.com/flamenboym )
Has C.
Thanks for the link. A simple question may solve the secrets of this interesting story;
“Who conducted the inventory?” Then follow the traces…
How on earth can this precious Assyrian tablet, a symbol of past civilization and archaeological discovery serve “as a reminder of the brutality and decimation of Flamenbaum’s family at the hands of the Nazis”?!!
Apart from a typical Jewish greed I don’t see any connection here.
Audio: BBC Caught in Zionist Propaganda Lie on Syria
http://www.davidduke.com/?p=34427
Dear +BN,
Great interview!
I agree 100% with you: it will take a great crisis or natural catastrophe for the people to wake up.
It took a lost World War, several million dead, the humiliation of Versailles, hyperinflation and Weimar Republic’s decadence for the Germans to wake up and follow Adolf Hitler.
It took a savage civil war, the massacre of priests and nuns, the desecration of churches for the Spanish to get rid of the Reds and follow General Francisco Franco.
It took the collapse of the Soviet Union, the 1998 economic crisis, the humiliation and looting of the country for the Russians to wake up and follow Vladimir Putin.
You don’t need to be a prophet to see that the European Union and the US are heading into a financial meltdown. The Jews want ALL the money! They cannot stop, it is their WEAKNESS!
But WOE TO YOU JEWS, this time there will be NO PLACE TO HIDE! You just sucked your last host, the US, dry. Who will fight your wars this time?
REPENT while you still can, or face the grave consequences.
American Prophets
Please read the lyrics of the song “Inside Job” below by Don Henley/Mike Campbell, released in May 2000.
This was 16 months before 911. If I may say that, I think that God himself inspired the artists, it is a warning to America!
Great music also, by the way!
INSIDE JOB
While you were sleeping
They came and took it all away
The lanes and the meadows
The places where you used to play
It was an inside job
By the well-connected
Your little protest
Summarily rejected
It was an inside job
Like it always is
Chalk it up to business as usual
While we are dreaming
This little island disappears
While you are looking the other way
They’ll take your right to own your own ideas
And it’s an inside job
Favors collected
Your trusted servants
Have left you unprotected
It was an inside job
Like it always is
Just chalk it up
To business as usual
You think that you’re so smart
But you don’t have a f*****g clue
What those men up in the towers
Are doing to me and you
And they’ll keep doin’ it and doin’ it
And doin’ it and doin’ it
And doin’ it and doin’ it
And doin’ it and doin’ it
Until we all wake up
Wake up, wake up, wake up, wake up
I know what I’ve done wrong
I am acquainted with the night
I know how hard it is
To always walk out in the light
And it’s an inside job
To learn about forgiving
It’s an inside job
To hang on to the joy of living
They know the road by which you came
They know your mother’s maiden name
And what you had for breakfast
And what you’ve hidden in the mattress
Insect politics
Indifferent universe
Bang your head against the wall
But apathy is worse
It’s an inside job
It’s an inside job
It’s an inside job
Yeh, yeah
It’s an inside job
It’s an inside job
It’s an inside job
It’s an inside job
It’s an inside job
It’s an inside job
It should be made clear that the Khazars did not convert to Judaism by a “rational choice” – see the ludicrous story of the “Khazar tournament.”
It was a real “coup d’etat” perpetrated by the real Jews living among the eastern “barbarians” (the Khazars might have been predominantly Turks, but not only – Khazar is very close to Cossak) at the behest of the real Jews of Spain.
The conversion was made by force, like the conversion of the Idumaeans by the Hasmoneans.
The Khazars became the military arm of the Kahal destined to finally overthrow the Christian Roman Empire and in the meantime exploiting Russia.
The Khazars were at the forefront of the slave-trade for the West-trade (resumed nowadays by the “Russian Mafyia”).
It was the conversion of the Russians to Christianity which foiled this plan and winded back the power of the Khazars. That’s why Christian Russia was the target for extermination.
The fight continued underground (the heresy of the Judaizers, then the “revolutionaries”- nearly all Jews) until they succeeded to reconquer Russia and start in earnest the delayed genocide.
The Bolsheviks were all Jews, like the “oligarchs” (actually sons of the Bolsheviks).
Dear Brother Nathanael, I just listened to your radio interview.
When you say Americans will wake up when bread is $15/loaf, it made me think, that time may not be too far in the future. When you consider the pathetic May jobs report released on Friday, despite the fact the Fed has engineered negative real interest rates, more inflationary stimulus is sure to follow.
Gold investors responded to the May jobs report (69,000 jobs created, versus 165,000 estimated) by bidding gold up over $60 an ounce. It won’t be long before gold surpasses its prior high from last August/Sept. and food prices will also reflect the inflationary pressures.
We need Americans to wake up. The ones who use their Facebook accounts to discuss sports or to post pictures of casserole dishes they are going to eat in front of the “big game” are almost beyond hope. I am tired of my stupid fellow Christians calling me an anti-Semite for the views I express.
If things have to hit them squarely in the wallet before they understand, so be it.
And you’re right, Bro N, there will be no economic recovery until we remove the leeches that are sucking our country dry.
The Khazar theory is ony a partial, and I believe minor, explanation for Jewish misbehavior down through the ages.
It has to be remembered that Jews were making themselves a general pain in the ass back in the times of the OT prophets of Israel. Something went wrong early on.
The Devil no doubt siezed on the idea of turning these talented but often pathological people to his own use. However, God’s plans always come to fruition in the end. And in the world that’s coming Jews will re-acquire their honor; not as Talmudics but as Christians.
I just wanted to say thanks to Brother Nathanael for all his hard work. I found this website not to long ago when I was doing researching on the false flag event 9/11.
I do what I can to wake people up, however it is very difficult because people believe what they hear on T.V. to be reality. Nobody thinks for themselves anymore.
I am starting to like this Putin fellow and even Iranian leaders because they are the only ones standing up to the NWO.
God Bless You, Brother Nathanael…
FREEDOM FIGHTERS IT’S TIME TO UNITE.
The AMERICAN “PEOPLE” have Gone from the most LOVED in the World to the most HATED in the World as a direct result of the WAR MONGERING JEWS.
MILITARY MEN are DUMB STUPID ANIMALS to be USED for FOREIGN POLICY. — Quote from JEW Henry Kissinger.
YOUR OWN USA GOVERNMENT IS THE ENEMY.
FREEDOM FIGHTERS IT’S TIME TO UNITE!
Seraphim June 3, 2012 @ 1:18 am
Intriguing regarding the Khazars.
However, world at that time was very localized geo-politically. By that I mean the oft heard comment that the rise of Christianity foiled the Jews plans.
A conversion of Khazars to Judaism required “outside advisors.”The Khazars were thus, effectively “Israel EAST.” Their barbaric past dovetailed nicely with Judaism.
From Israel East…they sent out their agents to begin the Goyim Genocide all over the world over the last several centuries.
It is no coincidence that Russia was the first target, the Khazar’s empire, sharing borders with Russia would have had excellent intelligence regarding Russia geo-politically which was effectively cut off from much of Europe. It makes more sense Russia was “Bolsheviked,” which should be interpreted as Jews world war on Christians.
Now we have Israel West, which Israel East helped create. Israel West was created to take out another powerful group, the Arab nationalistic nations and religions.
Again what happened to Russia and Germany by Israel East is simply being repeated by Israel West on the Jews new Goyim enemy, the Arabs.
Jews ain’t that smart, just too cheap to come up with a new plan…which we can use against them.
How original of the Jew Soros! Germany guilty again! (or rather their ugly shabbos-shiksa) :
“In A Brilliant New Speech, George Soros Reveals The Exact Moment That Angela Merkel Started The Euro Crisis”
http://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-speech-in-trento-on-the-euro-crisis-2012-6
The speech itself:
http://www.georgesoros.com/interviews-speeches/entry/remarks_at_the_festival_of_economics_trento_italy/
3rd June 2012:
Russian Foreign Minister’s remarks prior to SCO Meeting in Bejing (5-7 June):
Relations between Russia and China have reached unprecedented high levels, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says in an interview ahead of President Vladimir Putin’s upcoming visit to China.
According to Lavrov, the leaders are expected to endorse a number of documents during their meeting and review the proposal to accept Afghanistan as an observer state and Turkey as a dialogue partner.
“International relations are at a turning point. Changes in these relations are accompanied by rising turbulence at the global and regional levels. The dangerous unbalancing of the entire system of global administration takes place before our own eyes.”
(…) “The conflict potential persists, and threats to security multiply.”
http://rickrozoff.wordpress.com/
Re: “Br. Nathanael – Jewry’s Plan To Blackball Russia” ––
Thanks for that, Nate.
. . . Good article.
M.
More Putin news:
http://my.news.yahoo.com/putin-meet-irans-ahmadinejad-china-123121248.html
Keep in mind the price of oil is being brought down. All the Talmudic war-mongering against Iran helped put a big premium on the price of crude.
Mega Jewbucks have been made off all this “bomb Iran” talk which we have been inundated with. More “Juden fetzen” will be made on the price collapse (short side) as well.
Those who are familiar with stock-commodity charts should get a look at the picture of crude oil.
symbol $WTIC
Taylor, all,
More on Birobidjan:
http://www.tellingfilms.co.uk/
~~~ ~~~ ~~~
Paul87,
“It would be good if ALL Jews left… but that won’t happen will it?”
You never know… If enough people figure out that they are behind 9/11 – things could get a little hectic.
~~~ ~~~ ~~~
Bubba,
The Jews are not Israel, East or West.
The Congregation of Israel is (and has always been) about faith. The Church is the Israel of God. The Old Testament faithful are members of the Church founded by Jesus Christ and His apostles.
I repeat: Anti-Christ Jews are not Israel!
They have stolen and usurped the title. Let us call the Jewish state what it is: an anti-Christ, Pharisaic Jewish state illegally occupying Palestine.
The Prodigal Son June 3, 2012 @ 2:33 pm
I like the elegant Iranian name for the monster: “The Zionist Entity.”
A propos “chosen.”
I just love this little poem by W.N. Ewer:
How odd of God
To choose the Jews.
The Prodigal Son June 3, 2012 @ 2:33 pm
No, I agree.
When I discuss Israel, my Zio thesaurus would denote a base for Faux Chosen. That is my terms of reference.
East Base, then West Base for the same evil agenda
“Jewry’s Plan To Blackball Russia” and not only…
Please have a look at this:
“Obama Moves To Crush Poland After Global Genetic Disaster Revealed”
http://www.eutimes.net/2012/06/obama-moves-to-crush-poland-after-global-genetic-disaster-revealed/
Poland Bans GE Corn to Protect Bee Populations:
http://www.eutimes.net/2012/05/poland-bans-ge-corn-to-protect-bee-populations/
Deer’s Mountain June 2, 2012 @ 7:14 pm
It is not as simple as you say.
Since WWII was initiated by the Jews in the mid-thirties, with the hot war starting in 1939, and since the Jews are representing themselves as the big losers of that war whilst nobody has won more then they have, the events leading to Germany invading Poland will always be at the center of attention when one considers that period and all that follows from it to this very day.
Now there are a number of problems, especially as regards the struggle for the hearts and minds of Americans. If you want to set the Americans on a course to tear down Jewish power structures you cannot at the same time tell them that the Germans, who have done exactly that, were bad people.
If you do like that you can never convince any American to release himself from the thought-traps which the Jew has placed on his mind.
So the demonization of Adolf Hitler and the German people must be stopped to get the message to the average American.
This is the guiding thought of that process, which was by no means directed against Poles, yet it seems that Poles were not very happy about it, since very close scrutiny over their actions preceeding the hot war, which would follow from this new stance, was definitely not what they felt they needed.
To accommodate the Poles one constructed the speech reference that the Poles have been used by the Jews. This meant one wouldn’t have to discuss on a daily basis all the things that happened between Germans and Poles.
But for those who know the character of the Poles it was clear from the beginning that they would never agree to a language regulation according to which they had been “used” by anybody. I agree with the Poles on this, for whilst I may feel on Mondays that the Jews have used the Poles, I may feel on Fridays that the Poles have used the Jews.
Be that as it may, I am fearful that from time to time, as I have observed over the years, there will always be a Pole, often a newcomer, who will try to live out his own understanding of history by launching heavy attacks on the German people and their leadership, and in doing so he is expecting applause from all sides.
Poles of this type have not understood the signs of the times and not rarely they are quite shocked that not only Germans, but also Americans and people from other countries, are contradicting them.
Against such backgrounds I may see no purpose in keeping these German/ Polish matters at a boiling point; but on the other hand, I would reserve myself the right to state my views when any young hothead is trying to falsify history beyond all parameters of reason and tolerance.
Would you grant me that right, Deer’s Mountain?
Snowy Smith,
Did Henry Kissinger really say that?! Even I am astounded.
Any citation for the quote? Something he said at Bilderberg?
Just curious!
BN,
It is true that the first Jewish settlements on the territories of future Khazaria appeared after the death of King Solomon. In fact, it is even believed that some Jewish groups went as far as Ireland where they eventually lost their Jewishness.
According to some Russian historians, part of the tribe of Dan settled in the area near the Caspian Sea and some of these Israelites became leaders of nomadic tribes in the area. At that time there was no Kaganate of Khazaria yet.
The ethnic composition of these tribes may have been very different at that stage. The Judaism of these Israelites was probably still Biblical rather than Talmudic and, most likely, underwent some mixing with the local pagan beliefs. Then came the second resettlement of Jews in this area – during the times of the Kaganate.
We know from various historical sources that the main converts to Judaism were the Khazar aristocracy and nobility – most likely people related to the ancient tribal leaders in the area who had Israelite ancestry. That probably explains why they found Judaism more attractive than Christianity or Islam.
Another explanation could be that provided by Seraphim – the Khazar aristocrats were forced to accept Judaism.
Once the Khazar aristocracy adopted Judaism and once the Jews became part of the aristocracy by marrying off their daughters to Khazar noblemen, the Kaganate became a very aggressive entity. We know that not only from chronicles but also from the writings left by numerous Arab or Persian travelers.
In her book “Invisible Khazaria” a Russian military academic Tatiana Gracheva uses the word Khazaria in a broader sense. She describes the current Zionist World Order as “Khazaria.” She also shows that the current “Kaganate” has many things in common with historical Khazaria.
We have a very similar situation – where a group of outsiders (Jews) became part of the insider elite and eventually took control of everything.
@Alice June 4, 2012 @ 5:50 am
Excuse my interferring, Alice:
“Dumb stupid animals to be used” an opinion attributed to Kissinger by Haig in reference to military men and foreign policy.
Henry Kissinger, as quoted in “The Final Days” by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein in chapter 14. Page 194 in the paperback version (1995).
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Military
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Dear Marina,
As you know, I have been on these pages rejecting the idea of Khazars as the most important ancestors of Ashkenazim all along.
There is no need of the idea of millions of “new Jews” appearing out of nowhere on the stage of History when there is a pretty good evidence that the Polish/Lithuanian/Russian Jews came as “refugees” or just settlers from other European countries and settled in eastern part of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
Even if the idea that Khazars or their nobility descended from an Israelite tribe, it would have made them Semites and very close cousins of the Judeans.
By the way, the hypothesis of their being descendants of an Israelite tribe is not very probable as the Kagan in his famous letter to the Jew in Spain was pretty detailed at describing his origins. I guess that a pretty literate Israelite tribe would not have lost their memory of coming from Abraham, Jacob etc.:
“Know that we are descended from Japheth, through his son Togarmah. [In Jewish literature Togarmah is the father of all the Turks.] I have found in the genealogical books of my ancestors that Togarmah had ten sons.
“These are their names: the eldest was Ujur, the second Tauris, the third Avar, the fourth Uauz, the fifth Bizal, the sixth Tarna, the seventh Khazar, the eighth Janur, the ninth Bulgar, the tenth Sawir. [These are the mythical founders of tribes that once lived in the neighborhood of the Black and Caspian Seas.] I am a descendant of Khazar, the seventh son.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_Correspondence
Then, there are the Jewish DNA investigations. You can distrust them but it would be better to have a non-partisan geneticist look at theose.
I’m afraid that the stubborn narrow-mindedness of some arrogant commentors does not go in pairs with the common sense and acceptance of the realistic and wise opinions of others who are reaching out for peaceful solutions and solidarity of Christians.
I won’t even mention my views, in which no hatred for German nation has been ever expressed.
Wotan, before you criticize the character of Poles look at you own reflexion in the mirror.
Unfortunately, some facts will remind according to the events that HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN PAST HISTORY, no matter what the circumstances were.
Facts and dates cannot be changed.
Again, do I need to reverse the roles to get your imagination to work?
Your anti-Polish stance is so obvious! You are simply unable to move ahead, make amends and look straight instead of down on a Polish person.
Your last comments, Wotan, clearly reflex the lack of compromise that is necessary to unite nations when facing the same dangerous enemy.
I give up and rest my case. Let the common foe rub his hands with satisfaction.
If this is what you secretly wanted to achieve you are granted.
I’ll give it to you.
@DEER MOUNTAIN
Allow me to say a few words of comment to your recent entry.
It looks as if you are frustrated at Wotan’s consequence in his opinions. You want to induce him to some sort of compromise but it doesn’t happen. It doesn’t because you are not using arguments which would change his opinions.
Absent this, you can’t expect a mature man to compromise his views in order to reach some sort of a compromise.
You can’t even imagine how frustrating it is for a non-brainwashed German, who knows a very different history than the school books contain and daily experiences his own nation in chains, to encounter a Pole who is repeating the version of history similar to those Jew-written school books (I am generalizing here).
You are accusing Wotan of condescension and being stiff-necked but it is you who is not prepared to concede even a button (not unlike Josef Beck).
I am of a firm opinion that, as of today, any real friendship between Germans and Poles must be based on an implicit recognition of Polish part of the guilt for WW2 and German suffering, not only on Polish victimhood.
My sincere advice to you is to try to also look at the past with German eyes. Read Hoggan’s book or at least some texts from Wintersonnenwende like “The Unknown History of German-Polish Conflict” at:
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/wrsynopsis.html
This is certainly not a pleasant lecture for someone who is a Polish patriot or has a personal sympathy for Poland but, as you yourself write: “Facts and dates cannot be changed.” You may try to refute what it says and this would be a basis for a real discussion and compromises.
The betterment of Germano-Polish relations is important but I am sure you’ll agree that the defense of our European peoples against the common enemy is more important.
And a truthful rendering of NS Germany’s fight against the same enemy is of paramount importance in this because, among other things, it shows us a valuable example how a successful struggle against Judaic supremacism may be led.
Deer’s Mountain:
Don’t take any questioning of Polish attitudes as mesmerizing, derogatory or unjustified.-
Poland was in the thirties an old identity with a young nation, with a powerful anti-Christian enemy to the east and a highly influential anti-Christian enemy within its borders, very little could have done the people to change the course leading to the war.-
But indeed, meanwhile 300,000 Poles were established and working unmolested in Germany, Germans in Poland were persecuted, beaten and killed just because they were inside Poland.-
The chronicles of the Bromberg Massacre can well illustrate what the misconducted populace is able to achieve, certainly, nothing that the Polish people can be proud of, neither from the seizing of Czech lands in 1938.-
The legendary Polish courage needs to be followed by a equally courageous self-reflection on own mistakes, as Russia has done on the Katyn Massacre.-
Dear Has C:
Excellent, You read my mind, what a cool answer.-
A toast with Polish vodka for German-Polish understanding.-
There is a significant detail in the Arab sources regarding the conversion of the Khazars to Judaism.
Namely that the “King” of the Khazars had converted first to Christianity but realizing the “falsity” of Christianity, very troubled, discussed the matter with a “high dignitary” of his, who convinced the king to compare the religions and to incline finally to the arguments of “a” Jew.
It is also known, from the Kuzari treaty, that some Khazars converted in secret, that they kept their conversion secret, until they “conquered the Khazars and convinced them to became Jews.”
It become clear that the conversion had an anti-Christian edge. We must not disregard the failed mission of St. Cyril to the Khazars. Therefore the conversion of the Khazars coincides with a formal abjuration of Christianity.
Thanks for the feedback, Has C. and etterling.
I will leave the ‘playground’ to you now and myself just sit back and ‘watch’ as it is pointless on my part to get involved any further in a case where I see NO HOPE.
No wonder there are hardly any true Poles commenting here…
Why bother?
@ Deer…
To my recollection there were some Poles commenting here, pushing the same line and with the same results–mild rebuffs of the “Polish Messianism” which buzzes in the background of most of Polish attitudes, but which not everybody relishes.
Deer’s Mountain June 4, 2012 @ 8:30 pm
It’s a pity ’cause your NO HOPE is, somehow and to an extent, everybody’s NO HOPE too.
I can’t help wondering. I provided you with a short, concrete and full of facts article.
Painful, admitted, but if you have read it you can maybe understand how differently the period looks thorough German eyes. You had every possibility of commenting and correcting.
Your reaction was to throw the towel instead. Why?
Has C.,
I am usually distrustful of of any Jewish DNA investigations carried out in the West, particularly in the USA. They tend to be biased.
It’s like Western anthropology. I studied anthropology at a Western university and I know how politically correct it is. They talk about human race, for example because it is a taboo to talk about races. Incredible but true. Even making a statement that there are different human races is often regarded as racist.
About Khazaria. First of all, it is really intriguing, as Tatiana Gracheva says, that the history of Khazaria had been so little known by most historians of the Middle Ages. The Kaganate was a big state, an empire. Yet for an unclear reason (or maybe a clear reason) its existence has been completely ignored.
Secondly, my own experience made me think a lot about it. Once, when I was studying at a Western university, I was looking for a book by Arthur Koestler called “The Thirteenth Tribe.” The author was Jewish and the book was about Khazars.
According to the catalogue they should have had one copy. Yet there was none on a shelf. I waited for a while and checked again. Again it wasn’t there. One of the librarians told me that it could be missing.
Then I heard from another person that he had the same experience in the UK in one of the main libraries. It could have been a coincidence and that’s what I thought first.
Then again I heard about a new book about Khazaria published by some Anglo-Saxon author. I saw fragments of it on the internet. It wasn’t cheap but I decided to buy it. I went to a couple of bookshops including Jewish ones and tried to order it – to no avail. Then someone told me it was a limited edition.
Seraphim,
You are right. Arab sources give us a lot of information about the Jewish presence in Khazaria. Not only that. There are archaeological findings in Russia.
One of the most interesting studies on Khazaria is Andrei Zelev’s research called: “Chechens and Jews.”
Has C.
Quoting Wotan:
“..I would reserve myself the right to state my views when any young hothead is trying to falsify history beyond all parameters of reason and tolerance.”
I would appreciate anyone high-lighting in my comments as such an attempt. If posting links that direct one to the websites of David Irving, Norman Davis or Jim Condit Jr. who are professional historians, then please do not accuse me, but them.
I may in fact, say the same thing about your selective version of history and would like to reserve myself the right to state my views too.
You have your own historians you choose for you own convenient truth. And so have other nationalities and races, and the arguments never stop!
I honestly believe that I have tried to show reasonable tolerance, but wasn’t given the chance to any tolerance from some of you, not even to defend my frustration over your comparison of Poles equally with the Jews, which I found humiliating!
Quoting etterling;
“..The legendary Polish courage needs to be followed by equally courageous self-reflection on own mistakes, as Russia has done on the Katyn Massacre.-”
It was rather very reluctant on the Russian part and only after the Presidential plane crash to divert the attention away from the investigations taken over.
Nobody is perfect, most of us have some “skeletons hidden in the closet.” However, concentrating on each other past mistakes one is wasting the valuable time that is running out for us to stop the development of the NWO.
Quoting Seraphim:
“To my recollection there were some Poles commenting here, pushing the same line and with the same results–mild rebuffs of the “Polish Messianism” which buzzes in the background of most of Polish attitudes, but which not everybody relishes.”
Obviously, there is no room nor tolerance in this forum for Polish sentiments even in the lines of a mild rebuffs peacefully reminding of the common foe, and even though the Poles are in Europe too.
Don’t worry Seraphim, you have just managed to oust one more although I too am of a mixed European ethnicity. I am sick and tired of providing further arguments. In fact, I didn’t want to argue.
It wasn’t my intention to do so, but I sincerely enjoyed some of Has C. and Marina’s posts. Thank you.
Therefore, I must admit, it is easier sometimes just to step back and watch the events unfolding. I may even enjoy the show 🙂
Marina June 5, 2012 @ 4:24 am
Dear Marina,
I have a more benign explanation for the disappearance of Koestler’s book:
He was a pretty known author when he published it and Arabs and friends of Palestine grabbed it as a gift form Heaven.
At last a “scientific” explanation why the Jews have no place in Palestine.
Today we know that his arguments do not hold much water. As it is, books do get stolen from libraries and in this case Jews, whenever they had any influence on a library’s politics, might have been interested in not buying new copies.
Jews among themselves are not so shy. There are even internet groups who take Khazaria as a hobby, relishing the warrior – horseman ethos. Also Encyclopaedia Judaica has always had a solid article about it.
Why was Khazaria not known in Europe in the Middle Ages? Cause it was gone when folks began to raise their heads above the plough’s level and see the world beyond the neighbor village.
Besides, it had been so far away and as you know: away from the eyes, away from the heart.
But Khazaria was VERY present in the politics and history of Byzantine Empire and, not least – that of Russia.
Still, this proves nothing concerning the origin of Ashkenazim!
Poland has been a victim of Zionism as much as many other country, if not more.
Unlike most other countries, Poland allowed the Jews to live on its territory and gave them a whole lot of privileges. The result of this policy was not the best. The consequences we can still see today.
Whatever happened in Poland before the war or after the war must be seen in a broader context, taking Zionism/Talmudism into account.
That is one of the reasons why I like Valdas Anelauskas so much. In his book: “Zionism and Russia” he talks about many countries, Poland, Lithuania, Russia, Ukraine but he doesn’t stray off the course.
As a Lithuanian he could have said many negative things about Poland or Russia, for example.
Be it as it may, these two countries dominated Lithuania for a certain period of time and the relations were not always the best. But Anelauskas prefers to focus on the main issue – Zionism/Talmudic Judaism.
His main objective is to show how these particular countries became victims of Zionist ideology and plotting.
And this, of course, had its impact on Lithuania.
Deer’s Mountain June 5, 2012 @ 5:56 am
It is quite clear that when I was referring to hot-heads this was referring to possible future entries or developments on this site and could therefore by no means have been directed toward you personally.
It is also clear that when I was referring to the Polish character this meant pride and and steadfastness in holding up their own positions.
I do not think that this can justifiably be interpreted as myself making derogatory remarks directed at the entire Polish nation. Such generalisations are just not part of my way of looking at things, especially as we Germans got our good measure of general libel.
Look, Has C and I, we also had our little controversies and disagreements, but in some way one has always found common grounds again on which to agree. And when comments were getting a little too pointed one knows on either side when is the right time to stop.
So I can see no reason why you should rest your case and I hope that all who are reading this site need not miss your articles or references in future.
Dear Deer,
Please stay with us. You can’t help sensing that people here are of good will.
I have a question. Have you seen any Polish book about the minorities in pre-WW2 Poland?
I haven’t but this is a huge subject so I may have missed. Norman Davies (he is practically a Polish historian now) writes some about it in “God’s Playground” but otherwise?
Also, Irving is not a professional (meaning with academic credentials) historian. Is Jim Condit not a plumber or something like that? Am I wrong again? 😉
Deer’s Mountain:
How about your Polish courage, throwing the towel? Don’t disappoint us!
You mentioned the word “sentiments,” if have a sentimental corner like everyone of us has, you know that no one is trying to hurt your feelings.-
The US State Dept & UK Foreign Office have done a good job in pampering Poland and letting her have a little taste of a western middle-class prosperity with the price of keeping the records outside mainstream knowledge, and worst keeping Poland as an obstacle to a fruitful Europe-Russian Federation cooperative alliance.-
And that, Deer’s Mountain, is just keeping alive past resentments on Poland from every neighboring country.-
Seeking refuge in the NATO strategic conveniences and reciprocally feeling protected by the NWO designs, it is just pushing Poland to play and repeat the same role of the Thirties, which is why any reference to Polish responsibility regarding WWII is avoided under the excuse of hurting national feelings.-
I understand that being welfare & prosperity neglected since the nation was born till recent times (the 90’s) made most Poles eager to have a piece of the West, like driving cars, have a house and travel for holidays to Paris and London, but that cannot reach the point of hiding under the carpet all possibilites of reconciling with fellow Europeans.-
Simply look at the present and the future of current economic EU economic disgrace.-
Thinking that restrictions would not reach Polond it is just lack of foresight.- When the time arrives, which I don’t wish, I hope that Polish people would have a clear mind about who was, and is, a real friend.-
etterling June 5, 2012 @ 2:26 pm
Very well put and thought out, dear Etterling.
But as concerns the avoidance of the subject of Polish co-responsibility for 1939, the main cause is and will always be the imperative to hold Hitler and Germany responsible. The absence of any claims about Polish responsibility is just a byproduct of German-bashing.
As it is now, most 50% of today’s Poland’s territory consists of the lands of the former German Empire, and even earlier – of Prussia. Through THIS fact most conscious Poles are automatically being kept in line and Germany ALWAYS looms in the national subconscious as a potential avenger.
It has been this way under the USSR and, even more, today, after the reunification of West and East Germany. And that is what causes the national consensus about looking for allies further West. After all, America advertises itself as the “sole superpower” and still occupies Germany without any German opposition.
The trauma of the Russian Partition + Polish-Soviet War 1920-21 + bestial occupation 1939-41 + the Long Occupation after 1945 is what causes an instinctive shudder in any Pole who had instruction in history in elementary school at least, at the thought of any approchement with Russia. Yes, it’s irrational today but no less real.
Add to this the catastrophe of the presidential jet with over 90 top deciders eliminated on Russian soil, followed by a very suspicious dealings with the investigation.
Speaking of which: The VERY LAST country interested in killing Polish elite on its own soil would be Russia. The FIRST country interested in a fully transparent investigation after the catastrophe would be Russia. Why did they do it so clumsily, then?
My guess is that the Russians have, in the first stages of the investigation, realized that there had been some fatal vulnerabilities in their systems and their seriousness was so great that they decided to sacrifice openness in order to avoid exposing the fatal flaws.
I don’t know what it might have been. The fact is, though, that they decided that further antagonizing Poland was a price “worth it.” My guess is that the ultimate assassination plot was hatched either in the US, UK or Israel.
Regarding the Polish economic prosperity. It began well before Poland was allowed to enter EU.
The main integration with EU was a double-edged sword.
On the one hand it boosted foreign investments and agricultural exports. On the other – Poland opened its gates for cheaper, subsidized EU agricultural imports and, not least – industrial imports which killed huge parts of Polish consumer goods production. And killed the very factories which supplied the whole Soviet Bloc in many products.
Not first class but usable. Now most wares come from abroad.
Prosperity was bound to come anyway. The population was well schooled in private entrepreneurship throughout the soviet time. Plus, the land is inherently rich in minerals, soil, climate, coal. Most things except oil.
Thank you guys, I’m quite touched by your words of support.
The word reconciliation has always been at the back of my mind, but I didn’t have the courage to even utter such a word in case of being ridiculed.
Trust me, please, the same thought is in the mind of many Poles constantly fighting for the improvement in their lifestyle, and especially those of their children, and a secure future. People are getting tired. Unfortunately, many kids still live below the poverty line.
Show me a person who doesn’t care about material things…Perhaps there are such people, and yet no one wants to worry about food and bills that have to be paid. Everyone wishes for a comfortable life, alter all we live only once.
Most Poles that I know are hardworking people. When fairly rewarded they do not spare themselves nor their time. I know a few who go to Germany and England on regular basis to work, not just looking for jobs, but are also requested to come back again. Obviously the bosses appreciate their skills.
They might be accused of taking local jobs, but at the same time they contribute to somebody else’s economy.
Here is something to prove that people can get along quite well if they want to.
Germany/Poland: Village of the hairdressers | European Journal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hVy7idp6vI
And surprise, surprise!
Michael Ansley responds to Campbells racist remarks towards Poland:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUpe0uXddNU
‘Neighborhood watch’ for safety reasons should apply in Europe too 🙂
Diplomatic solutions and mutual respect at the foremost.
Speaking about Katyn and the Russian recognition of the massacre.
The Russian were recognizing their responsibilities before the tragic accident of the presidential plane.
Just few days before a ceremony, attended by Prime Minister Putin and the Polish Prime-Minister, was held at Katyn to commemorate the massacre. Responsibility was assumed even since 1992 when documents were made public.
The presidential ceremony, cut short by the accident, looks like a stunt meant to embarrass the Ruskies.
What it was never clarified was whether the visit was approved by the Russian authorities. Is it normal practice that the President of a foreign state decides to held ceremonies in other states? I am just wondering.
Wow, thanks for all the good info on Polish/German/Russian history, especially the info on Katyn and the recent plane crash that took out the Polish president and much of the leadership.
Here’s some info from David Irving on that suspicious crash of Polish General Sikorski’s plane in 1943:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/Sikorski/Times040703.html
Though I don’t think this was the reason for the plane crash a few years ago that took out the Polish president and leadership, I still think it’s kind of interesting that Kaczynski and the Polish Prime Minister were demanding that Sikorski’s body be exhumed and that they were interested in exploring the circumstances around his death (i.e. was it sabotage?)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/2225955/Did-British-double-agent-Kim-Philby-murder-Polish-war-hero-General-Sikorski.html
Did British double agent Kim Philby murder Polish war hero General Sikorski?
A Second World War murder mystery featuring Winston Churchill, the British double agent Kim Philby and Joseph Stalin could be solved after the Polish government called for the body of a national hero to be exhumed.
In regards to Koestler’s Khazar theory, we should keep in mind the context.
The role of the Khazars in the development of Russia was blown out of proportion in the first decades of the Socialist state, thoroughly dominated by the Jews.
It was the revival of a Russian nationalism during the War that led to near banishment of historical works about the Khazars (the famous case of the archeologist Mikhail Artamonov whose book of 1937 was severely criticised) and to the insistence on the Slavic predominance in the birth and development of Russia.
“Khazarism” was coupled with “bourgeois nationalism” (code word for Zionism) at a time when a serious anti-Zionist reaction was taking shape in Russia led by Stalin (which ultimately led to his demise).
It was significant that the Khazars studies restarted after the death of Stalin, again with the intent to overemphasize the role of the non-Russian element in the USSR.
That was the tenor of Koestler book. It was rather an “anti-Stalinist” book.
Goodness Gracious,
The discussion continues! 🙂
@DEAR’S MOUNTAIN
Think of the poor German hairdressers of Berlin. The journalist has not reported on their opinions. ;(
The Irving book about Sikorsky is very good and may be downloaded at his site for free. Curiously, it was his worst ever selling book.
My working hypothesis is that the NKVD was behind the death of Sikorsky. So, eventually – the Jewish Black Hand, again…and, again.
Repeating: The most interested in crashing Polish-Russian relations were Jews and their US lackays. Cannot exclude that some rogue fraction of Russian secret services was involved which, suspected or disclosed at the preliminary investigation, forced Putin to close the further investigation to the Poles and others interested.
It was certainly a tragedy for Poland and an human tragedy. Suvorov says in one of his books that Stalin was regularly liquidating the top ranks of his security services and the next generation was taking over, even more ruthless and efficient. Just like the teeth of a shark, growing and falling off in rows, each new one bigger and more deadly.
Maybe every bureaucracy needs some purge from time to time? Poland is big and has many suitable folks to jump into the empty boots. Much more serious was Katyn which at one fell swoop destroyed a large proportion of Polish elites making place for the new, Sovietized ones.
@SERAPHIM
The Koestler’s book first appeared in 1978 in UK, and only in 1999 in the US. Probably never in the USSR. Stalin was by that time fully rotten outside of the Mausoleum. Why committing time and brain to anti-Stalinist phantasies?
I guess he might have really believed the theory, himself puzzled over the huge numbers of the Eastern Jews. Who knows? But his theory is indefensible. This has always been my line.
There was simply too little time from the purported Judaizing of the Khazars to allow their breeding of the high linguistic and logical IQs on a population scale, plus the incredibly frequent clusters neurological storage diseases of Ashkenazim (a prime evidence of a narrow bottleneck and intense inbreeding).
Koestler book was published in UK in 1976, but this is not important. He was known as an “anti-Stalinist.”
“Koestler’s obsession with Stalinism drove him to an all consuming crusade against the ‘communist menace,’ you read in a recent review. Now, “Stalinism” is equated to any nationalistic tendencies in former Communist regimes. And “nationalism” is equated to “anti-semitism.”
More perversely “Stalinism” is equated to Communism. Trotsky=good, Stalin=bad (Orwell, very much inspired by “Darkness at noon”!).
Koestler did not invent the theory of the Khazar origin of Eastern Jewry. It was around for decades. He might have believed it (it is not totally indefensible).
Seraphim,
You are right, the theory was there before and so Koestler did not invent anything.
I did not realize that the early Bolsheviks (mostly Jews) made such a good use of this. Do you have any interesting sources about it?
I heard, however, about Stalin’s alleged order to burn all the materials dealing with Khazar and Jewish history from the main library in Grozny in Chechnya in 1944.
Today the Jews generally do not show much interest in the Khazar theory. Obviously it does not suit the context.
This Trotsky = good and Stalin = bad attitude has been very popular in the West and this also explains why the so-called Frankfurt School established itself so well in the West.
The Frankfurt School is nothing else but Trotskyist Communism in a nice package. It has greatly helped to distort the history of Communism in Russia and to make people fall into a trap of Cultural Marxism.
Because Trotsky was Stalin’s fierce opponent the common line among Western intellectuals and academics and other experts was that he was somehow a better “option” than Stalin, nay he was even a better man. In reality he was the worst option possible and the most monstrous man.
If Trotsky had stayed in power, there would probably be no Russia today.
Whether we like it or not the truth is that it was Josif Vissarionovich who saved Russia’s statehood. True, it was a terribly mutilated state ( like a person with missing body parts, half the teeth knocked out and burns and wounds all over the body) but, in whatever form or condition, it was there and was allowed to continue.
Trotsky and his followers enforced “reforms” that we see being implemented all over the West today. They included the abolition of marriage, legalization of abortion, homosexuality and pornography, the promotion of decadent art.
Trotskyists waged a vicious war against the Russian ethnicity and culture which they were trying to replace with cosmopolitanism (an equivalent of modern multiculturalism). They even wanted to abolish the Cyrillic alphabet.
When Stalin came to power he gradually reversed this trend. He re-established the traditional values, restricted abortion, banned homosexuality and pornography as well as decadent art. Stalin established something which we could describe as a form of national communism.
In fact, it is not for nothing that Wikipedia (which is at least partly controlled by the Zionists) describes Stalin as a nationalist.
Stalin may have been a dictator but Trotsky was more than that – he was Lucifer of the Revolution.
“Although Trotsky himself had a rather fateful encounter with an icepick in 1940, Trotskists today continue his fight. These days however many Trotskyists prefer to call themselves ‘neoconservatives,'” writes Anelauskas.
And how true it is. Irving Kristol, Stephen Schwartz, Paul Wolfowitz, John Podhoretz, Joshua Muravchik, etc are all former Trotskyists. Or rather than say “former,” it is better to call them neo-Trotskyists though, as has been mentioned above, they call themselves “Neoconservatives.”
@ Has C.
I believe in a diplomatic dialogue so long it does not become too insulting.
Discussing things we should continue, even though not every journalist reports on the opinion of German hairdressers of Berlin 🙂
Perhaps he had a good reason not to, aiming only at presenting the improving relations between these two neighboring countries, but I assume that the main factor is skills and money; cheaper services of good quality.
Thanks Sandra for these links about General Sikorski’s death. Very interesting indeed and again very frustrating loosing a great patriot and a potential Polish leader in suspicious circumstances.
All those in power are usually the puppets placed by some ‘foreign bodies’.
The Poles have been patiently waiting for the right leadership. But the campaign against Poland never stops.
This time here is another Jew at work, stirring up the pot again.
“Poles Were Complicit in Holocaust: Outrage Over Obama “Gaffe” is Fraudulent, Ignorant”
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/50114/poles-were-complicit-in-holocaust-outrage-over-obama-gaffe-is-fraudulent-ignorant/comment-page-21/#comment-968938
Is she looking for another ‘milking cow’?
My comment on her blog didn’t go through. Their holoHoax whining is becoming nauseating!
There is also a critical article about…guess who?
Elizabeth Taylor!
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/34705/the-real-elizabeth-taylor-she-litigated-to-keep-stolen-painting-from-holocaust-survivors/
Dear Deer’s Mountain:
You wrote: “[Self-reflection on the Katyn Massacre] was rather very reluctant on the Russian part and only after the Presidential plane crash to divert the attention away from the investigations taken over.”
You are asking for modern Russians, (many of whom have only just recently begun to penetrate the barriers to a less mythologized Soviet history and come to terms with what they find) to atone for what was truly a cold-blooded act of political murder against the Poles that the Stalin regime was responsible for, and which no longer exists, and for which all the responsible parties are dead, just as you seem to want to keep the Germans on the hook as well.
Just like the Jews hold all Evil Germans(TM) responsible for the NSDAP Regime did 60-70-80 years ago, now all Evil Russians(TM) from the Reagan Era “Evil Empire” and younger must somehow collectively pay and be held accountable for something they did not do in 1940, as probably most of them weren’t even born yet.
You seem to be asking for something along the lines of the public spectacle of the Nuremburg War Tribunals, but this time, for Katyn and the Poles. What is that you want and will serve your sense of justice?
Exhuming those dead Soviet officials responsible for the Katyn executions of the Polish POWs and putting their cadavers on internationally televised public trial? Would that do?
Of course, the mere fact that there are still numerous survivors of the Soviet GULAG alive today, because the GULAG only closed in 1961, means that the Russian people are still trying to make sense of, and come to grips with, 95 years worth of Bolshevik Communist history, and the Soviet Terror Regime.
The GULAG ground up Russian nationals and others some three decades before it began to ground up Poles with the Soviet invasion of Poland.
The Soviets formed the Directorate of Prisoners of War just two days after the war began in 1939, which took custody of Polish prisoners from the Army. The Directorate began organizing a network of reception centers and transfer camps and arranging rail transport to the western USSR.
Once there, the Poles (technically political prisoners rather than POWs, because war had not yet been declared by Stalin) were placed in “special” (concentration) camps, where, from October to February, they were subjected to lengthy interrogations and constant political agitation.
The camps were at Kozelsk, Starobelsk, and Ostashkov, all three located on the grounds of former great Orthodox monasteries converted into prisons long before the hapless Poles were ever transported there, should you care to ponder this. They have since the 90s been restored as monasteries again.
So please explain to me why the below listed events which were publicized as going on long before the 2010 Somlensk Air Disaster is not sufficient publicity, or as you put it, “self-reflection” about the Katyn Massacre that was “very reluctant on the Russian part and only after the Presidential plane crash to divert the attention away from the investigations taken over”:
– In 1990 that Mikhail Gorbachev admitted Soviet responsibility, that it was in fact the NKVD, the precursor to the Soviet KGB, which carried out the killings.
– In the 1990s, Russian President Boris Yeltsin released previously classified documents to the Polish authorities, including an order dated March 5, 1940, from NKVD chief Lavrenty Beria, signed by Stalin, to execute the Polish POWs.
– During former Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski’s visit to Russia in September 2004, the Kremlin said they would to turn over all their information on the Katyn massacre to Warsaw as soon as it was declassified.
– Months later, in March 2005, the Russian Prosecutor-General’s Office concluded a decade-long investigation of the massacre.
Prosecutors announced that they had been able to confirm the deaths of fewer than 2,000 Polish citizens; that the killings did not constitute genocide; and that since the perpetrators were dead, there was no reason to pursue the matter further.
Not only did the crime of “genocide” not legally exist at the time, but the motive was to cripple Poland’s military and leadership capacity by executing the POWS, not destroy a people.
That is the ugliness, cruelty and evil of war. On 5 March, 1940, Stalin signed their death warrant–an NKVD order condemning 21,857 Polish prisoners to “the supreme penalty: shooting.” They had been condemned as political “hardened and uncompromising enemies of Soviet authority.”
The vast majority of the files gathered during the Prosecuter-General’s investigation were deemed to contain state secrets and were thus classified.
Russian courts had refused to declassify them, which made it impossible for relatives to access information that would help them find the remains of those still missing.
– In anticipation of the 70th anniversary of the Katyn Massacre, on March 5, 2010, the Russian human rights group Memorial called on President Dmitry Medvedev to reopen the investigation into what it called a “war crime and a crime against humanity.”
– On April 2, the Oscar-nominated 2007 film “Katyn,” by Polish director Andrzej Wajda–whose father was a Katyn massacre victim–premiered on Russia’s “Kultura” television channel.
– In February, 2010 Russian PM Vladimir Putin invited his Polish counterpart, Donald Tusk, to an official ceremony on April 7, 2010 to mark the 70th anniversary of the Katyn massacre. Both men attended. The New York Times even reported that “Putin became the first Russian or Soviet leader to join Polish officials in commemorating the anniversary of the murder of thousands of Polish officers by the Soviet Union at the beginning of World War II.”
The two prime ministers also paid tribute to Soviet victims of the Bolshevik Red Terror and Stalinist Terror.
So I ask you, Deer’s Mountain, compared to Jewish or even Polish pain, what is the astronomical democide/genocide by one’s own government of–depending on which school of thought–20 to 70 million mostly Russian people, but also other nationalities including Germans, Greeks, Turks, Finns, Latvians, Romanians, and Americans on Russian soil, and the 60 or more different indigenous ethnicities and nine different religions from 1917-1987 the bulk of the deaths which were under Lenin and Stalin under various pretexts?
To paraphrase Stalin, 21,000 Polish military POW deaths are a tragedy, but (to go with a mean value) 45 million non-combatant deaths under the phases of the Bolshevik Red Terror are simply a statistic.
Katyn was a tragedy for Russia too, which preceded by several years the mass executions of the Polish POWs, as thousands of Soviet citizens were executed and buried in ditches there in the years 1935-38, the period of Soviet history known as The Terror or The Great Purge.
It was also a tragedy also for Americans, but few Americans know this part of it.
The famine engineered by Stalin caused artificially induced death in peacetime on a scale unsurpassed in the recorded history of mankind. Mortality rates peaked in the summer of 1933, when the effects of the famine were compounded by deadly outbreaks of typhus.
The engineered famine affected 40 million people, including those who died from it and those who suffered through it but survived. It extended throughout all of Ukraine, part of the Black Earth territories, much of Kazakhstan, and the plains of the Don, the Kuban, and the northern Caucusus.
In 1933 alone, 6-10 million people died of famine-related causes; 4-7 million of these were Ukrainian peasants. The famine likely caused another million deaths in Kazakhstan, and a million more in the northern Caucusus and Black Earth.
Then on to the Great Purge was a series of campaigns of political repression and murder in the Soviet Union orchestrated by Joseph Stalin from 1935 to 1938. In Russian historiography the period of the most intense purge, 1937–1938, is called the Yezhov Regime after Nikolai Yezhov, the head of the Soviet secret police, NKVD.
It involved a large-scale purge of the Communist Party and government officials, repression of peasants, Red Army leadership, and the persecution of unaffiliated persons, characterized by widespread police surveillance, widespread suspicion of “saboteurs,” imprisonment, and arbitrary executions.
Eventually almost all of the Bolsheviks who had played prominent roles during the Russian Revolution of 1917, or in Lenin’s Soviet government afterwards, were executed.
Out of six members of the original Politburo during the 1917 October Revolution who lived until the Great Purge, Stalin himself was the only one who remained in the Soviet Union, alive.
On July 30, 1937 the NKVD Order no. 00447 was issued, directed against “ex-kulaks” and other “anti-Soviet elements” (such as former officials of the Tsarist regime, former members of political parties other than the Communist Party, etc.). They were to be executed or sent to GULAG prison camps extrajudicially, under the decisions of NKVD troikas.
The following categories were systematically tracked down: “ex-kulaks” previously deported to “special settlements” in inhospitable parts of the country (Siberia, Urals, Kazakhstan, Far North), former tsarist civil servants, former officers of the White Army, participants in peasant rebellions, members of the clergy, persons deprived of voting rights, former members of non-bolshevik parties, ordinary criminals, like thieves, known to the police and various other “socially harmful elements.”
However, many were also arrested at random in police sweeps, or as a result of denunciations or simply because they happened to be relatives, friends or just acquaintances of people already arrested.
Many railwaymen, workers, kolkhoz peasants, and engineers were arrested in the course of the Kulak Operation just because they had the misfortune of working in, or near, important strategic factories, railway or building sites, where, as a result of frantic rhythms and plans, many work accidents had occurred in previous years.
In 1937-1938, the NKVD reopened these cases and systematically ascribed them to “sabotage” or “wrecking” (Werth, 2009).
The Orthodox clergy, including active parishioners, was nearly annihilated: 85% of the 35,000 members of the clergy were arrested. This doesn’t count the losses of clergy during the Bolshevik revolution and the Leninist Terror.
Particularly vulnerable to repression were also the so-called “special settlers” (spetzperesentsy) who were under permanent police surveillance and constituted a huge pool of potential “enemies” to draw on. At least 100,000 of them were arrested in the course of the Great Terror.
A series of national operations of the NKVD was carried out during 1937–1940, justified by the fear of the fifth column in the expectation of war with “the most probable adversary,” i.e., Germany, as well as according to the notion of the “hostile capitalist surrounding,” which wanted to destabilize the country.
The Polish operation of the NKVD was the largest and the first of this kind, setting an example of dealing with other targeted minorities, and other targeted minorities there were. Many such operations were conducted on a quota system.
NKVD local officials were mandated to arrest and execute a specific number of “counter-revolutionaries,” produced by upper officials based on various statistics. The Polish operation also claimed the largest number of victims: 143,810 arrests and 111,091 executions, and at least eighty-five thousand of these were ethnic Poles.
Some of the victims of the Stalin Terror were an unknown number of American immigrants to the Soviet Union, who had emigrated at the height of the Great Depression in order to find work. At the height of the Terror, American immigrants besieged the US embassy, begging for passports so they could leave the Soviet Union.
They were turned away by embassy officials, only to be arrested on the pavement outside by lurking NKVD agents. Many, again an unknown number, were subsequently shot dead at Butovo Field near Scherbinka, south of Moscow.
In addition, 141 American Communists of Finnish origin were executed and buried at Sandarmokh. 127 Finnish Canadians were also shot and buried there. Jews in the NKVD bore a disproportionately huge responsibility for the waves of the Red Terror until around 1941.
But, the Communist Juggernaut didn’t stop, nor did the GULAG. You seem to think only Poland suffered post-war as one of the Soviet satellite countries, but what about East Germany?
After NS Germany’s defeat, ten NKVD-run “special camps” subordinate to the Gulag were set up in the Soviet Occupation Zone of post-war Germany. These “special camps” were former Stalags, prisons, or concentration camps such as Sachsenhausen (special camp number 7) and Buchenwald (special camp number 2).
“They were set up by the Soviet Military Administration in Germany (SMAD) and run by the Soviet secret service (NKVD). On 8 August 1948, the camps were made subordinate to the GULAG. Because no contacts of the camp inmates to the outside world were permitted, the special camps were also known as Silence camps (German: Schweigelager).”
“In addition, numerous prisons and camps were set up east of the Oder-Neisse line, in an area that was about to be handed over to Poland and Russia. These prisons and camps were set up according to the same Beria-doctrine as their counterparts west of the Oder-Neisse line.
“Almost the complete male German population remaining east of Oder and Neisse, numbering several tens of thousands, was arrested as “Hitlerites” by the NKVD. Only very few actual Nazis were among them.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_special_camps
According to German government estimates “65,000 people died in those Soviet-run camps or in transportation to them.” According to German researchers, Sachsenhausen, where 12,500 Soviet era victims have been uncovered, should be seen as an integral part of the GULAG system.
For years after World War II, a significant minority of the inmates besides Germans were Ukrainians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians from lands newly incorporated into the Soviet Union, as well as Finns, Poles, Volga Germans, Romanians and others.
Where does one even begin with “self-reflection” in all of this?
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The legal term genocide did not exist prior to 1944, nor was it ever really meant for the victims of the Katyn Massacre. It was coined by Raphael Lemkin (1900–1959), a Polish Jew legal scholar in 1943, and adopted by the international community in 1944.
In 1944, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace published Lemkin’s most important work, entitled Axis Rule in Occupied Europe: Laws of Occupation – Analysis of Government – Proposals for Redress in the United States.
This book included an extensive legal analysis of German rule in countries occupied by NS Germany during the course of World War II, along with the first definition of the term genocide (“the destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group”).
Notice who came up with the concept (a Polish Jew), when (1944), wrote a book about it for the purposes of “redress” (grievance, compensation, reparation, avenge) and had it published by the Carnegie Foundation, and for what reasons (“the destruction of a nation or an ethnic group” by the Evil Nazi Germans(TM)).
Obviously the motive and intention in 1944 was oriented towards the national interests of the European Jews and helping to build up the Holocaust Mythology.
Dear KathJuliane,
That is a fascinating post indeed. It is impossible for me to fathom the depth of these examples of atrocities.
I have known suffering in my life, yet what you describe (undistorted history) makes the pain incurred through my trials seem trivial.
What have been sobering and freeing elements in dealing with personal injustices has been the words of our dear Savior when He spoke the following:
“For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
Many thanks to Brother Nathanael for his scholarship and courageous example to us, and to those posting here who have and continue to exhibit their willingness to study to show themselves approved. You are each a blessing to me time and time again. Thank you.
In His wondrous love,
hvt
KathJuliane
June 7, 2012 @ 7:36 pm
Dear Kath,
I know the work, which is involved to write an article like yours above, full of dates, details and other references. Your article draws a fine historic picture of the time and puts Katyn into perspective.
Individually affected people have the right to break through the barriers of any perspective when shedding tears for their beloved ones, but apart from that no purpose is served to do so except stirring hatred.
Have Germans been placing comments here from morning to nighttime over the phosphor bombs of Dresden, where in a few days close to 300 000 people were roasted? And there are enough people with a German background writing on this site!
I think there is a need to rewrite history as written for us by the Jews and there is a need to reach an honest consensus between the nations: who has done what and why? Friendly relations or even friendship cannot be based on lies and falsifications. But there is no need for hate stirring!
The Germans have reflected upon themselves, even the Russians, as victor nation, they have also reflected upon themselves. Who could have forced them to release the Katyn papers after 50 years and own up to the crime? Nobody!
But the UK has reclassified so many papers to cover their shameful role in everything. I don’t suppose they would release their papers on Sikorsky and beg the Poles for forgiveness like the Russians have done with Katyn.
But when, on the other hand, I look at the Polish plane crash in Smolensk and I can see the uncontrolled Polish reactions against a background of rising tensions between Russia and Jewish-ruled countries in the west.
With the missile defense system on the table and the Polish tendency to never seek good relations with its neighbours, Russia and Germany, but work to make coalitions with with somebody from somewhere or anybody from anywhere the words come to mind: history is repeating itself.
Be that as it may, dear Kath, your report as always contains one or two sentences of pointed and humorous polemics, which reminded me of what a QC in London once said to me:”…I like your turn of phrase…”. I want to pass this on to you!
KathJuliane June 7, 2012 @ 7:36 pm
“…- In February, 2010 Russian PM Vladimir Putin invited his Polish counterpart, Donald Tusk, to an official ceremony on April 7, 2010 to mark the 70th anniversary of the Katyn massacre. Both men attended.”
Please let me add one more:
* On April 10, 2010 Polish President, Lech Kaczynski dies in suspicious circumstances on the way to the ceremony commemorating the Katyn massacre (UNABLE to attend or made unable to attend).
Please note that it has been NOT the President of Poland invited by Putin but his counterpart, Donald Tusk!
The Smolensk Plane Crash Two Years Later: The Unraveling of a Cover-Up?
@ smolenskcrash.eu/news-28-the-smolensk-plane-crash-two-years-later-the-unraveling-of-a-cover-up.html
Your accusation of me demanding for Nuremburg-like Trials are totally unfounded:
“You seem to be asking for something along the lines of the public spectacle of the Nuremburg War Tribunals, but this time, for Katyn and the Poles. What is that you want and will serve your sense of justice? ”
I found your attack on my person unjust for not even in one of my comments I called for “the public spectacle of the Nuremburg War Tribunals.” Very much like Wotan you attempt to discredit me in any way possible changing or adding words I never used.
Several commenters made us aware of the crimes on the German nation and that has been acknowledged. I asked for no more and no less, but the same. In fact, many of you have brought up the Katyn massacre in some previous threads.
Quoting you again-
“But, the Communist Juggernaut didn’t stop, nor did the GULAG. You seem to think only Poland suffered post-war as one of the Soviet satellite countries, but what about East Germany?”
Hello, my dear, where do I deny the suffering of East Germany? Haven’t I said on many occasions that it is ALWAYS the innocents ones, the ordinary people caught in the middle of it all?!
My heart breaks at the unjust suffering of any innocent person.
I have defended the Polish nation from some unfair attacks, that should be contributed to the Jewish unscrupulous involvement rather, in stirring things up between nations.
You hang me dry just for some of my Polish roots as soon I revealed it, attempting to silence me like many other Poles have been, who tried to take a stand on international level requesting resolution and some acknowledgement.
Sikorski was silenced too… So was Kaczynski…and don’t forget that so was JF Kennedy for speaking out.
I’m not even allowed to show my frustration at the relentless politics towards the Polish desire for the right leader and a true FREEDOM.
Do you truly believe that I can’t read between the lines?
Otherwise, the rest of your essay is very informative, which I give you credit for.
@ Marina
You are spot on with “Frankfurt School.” Koestler was a Hungarian Jew (rather an “Austro-Hungarian” Jew, and a Zionist to boot – even if he was “disillusioned” ).
He joined the German Communist Party, never been to Russia. His disillusionment with “Communism” started immediately after the “Stalinist show trials” of the “Old Bolsheviks”.
Exactly at the same time when the “American Committee for the defense of Leon Trotsky” was set up; defined as “the definitive indictment of interventionist American diplomacy from Wilson to Roosevelt.”
Like the present actions to “defend” Khodorkovsky, Magnitsky and their ilks; the continuity is disturbing, but revealing.
The Khazar theory has as much to do with Hungary, Poland and Romania as with Russia.
The idea was simple: the Khazars were a civilized, cultured people, tolerant, almost liberal, who played a central role in the establishment of the Kievan State.
The “Khazar Empire” also played a tremendous role in Hungary, Poland and Romania. The Khazars were “Jews,” ergo “Jewishness” was instrumental in the development of these states.
The Khazar Empire was destroyed by the savage Russians (and by the other “masses”), who converting to Christianity, became necessarily “antisemitic” (like Hungarians and Romanians).
Fast forward: the “Jews” reoccupy their rightful place in Russia thanks to the “October Revolution.” As Khazars they are natives of the land, with more titles than the Russian Varangoi who invaded the “Khazar Empire.”
They take the necessary measures to eradicate “antisemitism,” but they cannot succeed completely due to the entrenched “prejudices” of the uncouth, illiterate, brutal, primitive, reactionary (and, smile, “anti-socialist”) “masses” of Russians, Ukrainians, Hungarians, Romanians.
In Russia it was the theory of “Socialism in one country” represented by Stalin, the incarnation of these horrible “masses.”
They had to come to a compromise during WWII (they would not have won the war without the help of the monster), but after the War they came back in force. The war was won for them! The idiot Stalin with the masses of idiot Russians believed that they won it!
So Stalin had to go and, hey presto, he went. It was more difficult with the “masses.” So we had to have “Glasnost” and “Perestroika.”
But Russians are a “mass” of intractable idiots and they produced the new Stalin – Putin. I let you write the sequel. Just to help you more.
After the “anticommunist revolutions” of the late 80’s, a “new” historical theory developed quickly.
The “revolutions” were all directed against the “national-communism”! The time had come to show that the “real” creators of history, culture, civilization in these regions were the “minorities” (persecuted as they were under the national communism).
And guess what, the “Khazars” became again center stage (Soros had a hand in it). Fortunately there are still historians who did not benefited from the Soros scholarships who would have none of this nonsense.
On a more serious note. The “Khazar Empire” had as much to do with Hungary, Poland, Romania as with Russia.
In 1902 the Zionist Max Bodenheimer proposed the plan of the Osteuropaeischer Staatenbund – in all practical matters a Jewish state comprising the territories of the “Jewish Pale of Settlement.” This plan was to be implemented by Wilhelmian Germany through a war against Russia.
In 1914 a Deutsches Komitee zur Befreiung der Russische Juden was quickly set up. We cannot get into all the details of the history of this plan (many aspects of which will remain hidden for ever).
It certainly had an impact on the subsequent demands of the Soviet Jews for the creation of a “Soviet Jewish republic,” which reemerged after the end of the WWII and to which Stalin was opposed (In fact a “Jewish Soviet Oblast” was functioning in Birobidzhan, but the Jews wanted Crimea).
Check all entries on Google under the headings Judeopolonia, Proposals for a Jewish state. It might suggest even a completely “politically incorrect” explanation of the Holohoax.
@Deer Mountain
Dear Deer,
I understand how hard (almost impossible) it is to get over hardwired emotions instilled from childhood. I do not presume, I know it for a fact.
It requires a lot of work and “self-reflection,” things that we imperiously demand from others but we are very reluctant to do ourselves.
It would certainly require a “self-reflection” on the not always commendable Polish history of centuries of oppression of other peoples (the hated Russian in the first place) in cahoots with the Jewish middlemen (who had a golden time in the Szlachta Rzeczpospolita).
It is a thing that reflects on Katyn (not justifying it, of course).
But why reject the advances of the Russians to make amends for past wrongdoings? Why not grab the extended open hand?
Does it not, by whipping anti-Russian sentiments, serve the ill-conceived plan to install the missile shield in Poland directed against a presumed Russian threat, against popular sentiment?
Nobody in Poland or Romania believe that the shield is against the Iranian threat. Maybe I am wrong about what Poles think.
I can confidently tell that in Romania the sentiment is that the Americans protect “us” against the Russians.
And that for the same emotional reasons (Russians looted and raped when they occupied the country in 1944!)
Dear hvt,
It has been emotionally very difficult these past years as a conservative American with old Patriotic roots having my delusional bubbles burst about America the Good Empire(TM); and trying to get my heart and mind around the enormity of the decades of suffering experienced by the people under the Communist Yoke.
Worst of all, it is realizing the depth of the complicity and outright responsibility that the USA has had in the miseries of the world since WWII, and really since WWI.
We should have stuck to our “isolation” foreign policy, avoided entangling alliances, and do what Americans used to do best, respond to emergencies and disasters, go in with humanitarian and medical aid, restore law and order, set up Christian charities, hospitals and schools (without being government intelligence cover), and teach people how to become a civil society again.
Or, 20/20 hindsight being perfect vision, there is a major part of me that says, “We should have listened to that fiercely brilliant military man and Anglican Christian, General Patton and the other Christian, politically wise, anti-Communist men and women of the day, like McCarthy.
“We fought the wrong enemy, and should have continued to Moscow” and so maybe America could have saved many people what came after in the “Cold War.”
We were blind and complacent during the Cold War, and people grew tired, old and finally died who were the great watchers and warners about the Enemy Within, In Our Midst, Who’d Locked the Gates From Inside.
We turned a complacent and deaf ear to Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
Most of my struggle has come up since I converted to Orthodoxy, when it made the circumstances more available to meet and talk to Orthodox Christians AND non-religious people as well from various countries, as well as learning about the lives of the New Martyrs of the various Eastern Orthodox nations over the past 500 years, particularly the 20th century ones.
And, what little I did write is only the tip of the iceberg. If you get a chance, do some google research on Fr. George Calciu, who reposed in 2006.
You may not know much about Fr. George Calciu, but the one thing you should know is that he is a survivor of terrible torture in anti-human Communist prisons, in Soviet Romania, part of the GULAG. We read a bit about the East German “Silent Prisons.”
Fr. Calciu was imprisoned twice, from 1948 to 1964, and from 1979 to 1984, for a total of 21 years.
In 1971, Dumitru Bacu wrote The Anti-Humans: Student Re-education in Romanian Prisons, archived here: http://archive.org/details/TheAnti-humans
In 1948, when Fr. George was 23 years old and attending medical school, he was imprisoned by the Communists and subjected to “re-education.” Only young men were chosen for this process, because the goal was to make a sharp break with the past and begin fresh with a new generation of leaders.
In the entire Communist world, the pre-eminent place for this form of mental and emotional torture was the prison in the town of Pitesti, near Bucharest.
Others who were imprisoned at Pitesti, for example, Fr. Roman Braga, wrote a book about prayer titled Exploring the Inner Universe. The charge against Fr. Roman was that he was trying to overthrow the government by discussing the writings of St. Basil the Great, St. John Climacus, and St. Gregory of Nyssa.
And if you have an evangelical background you may have heard of Pastor Richard Wurmbrand, a Lutheran pastor who’d converted from Judaism, and who founded Voice of the Martyrs, an organization that still monitors the persecution of Christians around the world.
Pastor Richard wrote a small book about his experiences at Pitesti, Tortured for Christ, and it has been very popular among evangelicals. He met Fr. George at Pitesti, and the two remained friends till Pastor Richard’s death in 2001.
Pastor Richard gave Congressional Testimony on the Communist Exploitation of Religion in 1966: http://crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/communist-senate-hearing-wurmbrand.htm
At Pitesti, the goal was to break down a prisoner’s mind and sense of self, and build him again into the ideal Communist man. It was, in fact, designed to dismantle a Christian person’s mind, and then rebuild it by extreme Pavlovian conditioning.
When a new group of prisoners came in, they were beaten by guards and prisoners who had been there longer, and a few of them would be killed, whoever appeared to be a leader.
They would be tortured and humiliated in many ways, and in particular forced to see, listen to, or participate in blasphemy over and over again.
What the Christians in the GULAG called torture, the blasphemies against God, Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary, people pay for, like the idiotic DaVinci Code and Jewish comedy. Their captors crucified cats in front of them.
The psychological dimension of the process was called “unmasking,” in which prisoners were required under torture to renounce everything they believed. Fr. George recalled being compelled to say, for example, “I lied when I said ‘I believe in God.’ I lied when I said, ‘I love my mother and my father.’”
With time, the exhausted prisoners would come to doubt their memories, and no longer know what was true about their own past. The intention was to undermine the prisoner’s memory and personality, to infiltrate his consciousness with lies until he came to believe them.
There was yet one more stage of “brainwashing,” the worst of all. The mentally and physically broken prisoner would ultimately be forced to torture someone else. This was what completed the destruction of their personalities.
Fr George said, “Under terror and torture one can say, ‘yes, yes, yes.’ But now, to have to act? It was very difficult. It was during this part that the majority of us tried to kill ourselves.” Fr. George says he tried to throw himself off a three-storey staircase, and was saved only when another prisoner grabbed him and pulled him back.
The Romanian poet Razvan Codrescu wrote about Fr. George:
“All the life of this man after the tragic Pitesti episode was one of confession and sacrifice. In his soul and in his flesh he measured the distance between hell and heaven.
Perhaps no survivors of Pitesti achieved a moral victory as brilliant and as enduring as his. Because the case of Gheorghe Calciu exists, it can be said that the Pitesti experiment was a failure.”
IC XC
NI KA
Dear Wotan,
You wrote: “I think there is a need to rewrite history as written for us by the Jews and there is a need to reach an honest consensus between the nations: who has done what and why?
“Friendly relations or even friendship cannot be based on lies and falsifications. But there is no need for hate stirring!”
Agreed. At a very basic level, as a life-long warrior against cancer, needing a friendly relation with them, where would I be if my doctors lied about my condition and falsified their medical reports?
Everything we know about ourselves for the past 60 years or more, has been authored by the Jews. We Gentiles see ourselves through Jewish lenses (not Christian ones), respond to real-world and dire situations not for ourselves, but reflexively “for fear of the Jews.” That line just haunts me from the New Testament.
There is a place in ordinary human, Christian life, for suffering, strife and reconciliation between persons in this fallen world, and I believe the same thing holds true between nations, that the old ceremonial formalities, the rules of state, military and diplomatic etiquette, common courtesy, even joint commemorations and religious services between Christian peoples served this on the national level.
Memorial Day was officially proclaimed on 5 May 1868 by General John Logan, national commander of the Grand Army of the Republic, in his General Order No. 11, and was first observed on 30 May 1868, when flowers were placed on the graves of Union and Confederate soldiers at Arlington National Cemetery.
The semi-legend behind it is that the organized Southern women’s groups were decorating graves before the end of the Civil War: a hymn published in 1867, “Kneel Where Our Loves are Sleeping” by Nella L. Sweet carried the dedication “To The Ladies of the South who are Decorating the Graves of the Confederate Dead,” but these women were also graciously decorating the graves of the Union dead as well on the battlefields.
Many places have claimed the tradition, so it is more likely that it had many separate beginnings; each of those towns and every planned or spontaneous gathering of people to honor the war dead in the 1860’s tapped into the general human need to solemnly honor our dead, each contributed honorably to the growing movement that culminated in Gen Logan giving his official proclamation in 1868 for Decoration Day.
The first state to officially recognize the holiday was New York in 1873. By 1890 it was recognized by all of the northern states. The South refused to acknowledge the day, honoring their dead on separate days until after World War I (when the holiday changed from honoring just those who died fighting in the Civil War, which was probably biased towards the Union victory, to honoring Americans who died fighting in any war).
It is now celebrated in almost every State on the last Monday in May (passed by Congress with the National Holiday Act of 1971 to ensure a three day weekend for Federal holidays), though several southern states have an additional separate day for honoring the Confederate war dead.
Sometimes the irreconcilable can only be reconciled through the sharing of tears, or laughter, or a sharing of something of folk tradition known to both nations. How many times in the trenches of WWI did the the Germans and the British stop fighting on Christmas Eve to sing “Silent Night/Stille Nacht”?
Genuine warriors also honored the worthy foe, and the enemy dead, as well.
~~~
Dear Deer’s Mountain,
This is response to an aggregate of comments of yours in no particular order:
DM wrote: “Your accusation of me demanding for Nuremburg-like Trials are totally unfounded”
It is not an accusation, but observation: “…you seem to be asking…what you seem to be wanting,” etc., which is also not putting words into your mouth, because I never said you said them.
“Seem to be saying” is a figure of speech.
So, let me rephrase it “My impression is that you are figuratively asking for something along the lines of the public spectacle of the Nuremburg War Tribunals, but this time, for Katyn and the Poles.”
I take full responsibility for my absurd, irreverent, dark sense of humor, and certainly hope that it is clear to the rest of RJN family that Deer’s Mountain never said such a thing, or any other asininity which could possibly roll off of my keyboard.
I did ask you, DM, “What is it that you want and what would serve your sense of justice?” Perhaps it is simply a matter of unilaterally extending the Lustration laws eastward into the RF from Poland under the tender supervision of the Institute of National Remembrance?
DM: “On April 10, 2010 Polish President, Lech Kaczynski dies in suspicious circumstances on the way to the ceremony commemorating the Katyn massacre (UNABLE to attend or made unable to attend).
“Please note that it has been NOT the President of Poland invited by Putin but his counterpart, Donald Tusk!”
That is correct, according to normal diplomatic protocol of peer-to-peer, rank-to-rank, office-to-office, the prime minister of one country would not invite the president of another country, he would invite his own counterpart.
Putin was not the head of state at the time, President Medvedev was. In protocol of state etiquette, Medvedev, not Putin, would be the one to invite President Kaczynski, as fellow head of state. Putin invited Tusk as fellow prime minister.
I also agree, a fatal air-ground collision would, and did, make President Kaczynski and the rest of the party of attendees unable to attend.
DM: “Hello, my dear, where do I deny the suffering of East Germany? Haven’t I said on many occasions that it is ALWAYS the innocents ones, the ordinary people caught in the middle of it all?!”
Since this was the first time the suffering of particularly East Germany in the Silent Prisons (even lesser known than that of the Russians and other East Europeans under the Communist Yoke) was brought up under the Soviet occupation and GULAG system that I know of, then of course you had not denied it previously.
However, I searched through your posts back to the end of April, and unless you were posting under another name prior to this, I wasn’t able to find in any of your comments where you had “said on many occasions that it is ALWAYS the innocent ones . . .” and so forth, or words used to that effect.
Can you straighten out my confusion on this?
Be that as it may, in writing about the specific suffering of a particular people at a certain period of time, the East Germans, you simply responded to this revelation by defending yourself with a generality protesting, “Haven’t I said on many occasions…”.
DM: “I have defended the Polish nation from some unfair attacks, that should be contributed to the Jewish unscrupulous involvement rather, in stirring things up between nations.”
Yes, I do congratulate you on your readiness to rise to the occasion when you perceive that the Polish nation is being “unfairly attacked,” even if it is legitimate historical revelation of some unpleasant, dark aspects that upsets the “(fill in the blank) people can do no wrong” paradigm, even when something factual and truthful about the historical Jewish control of Poland is mentioned and how the Poles were totally ok with it.
If it is a comment directed at you, not to mention someone else, it is still an attack on the Polish nation, I’m finding out.
Not once in over 1,000 years of history were the Jews ever expelled by the Polish nobility or monarchy, and the Jews literally ran Poland, even after the partition of Poland by Prussia, Austria and Russia. Is it “unfairly attacking” the Polish nation by saying this?
Ottoman rule in Podolia (1672-99), the proximity of Poland to territories under Ottoman rule and the commercial relations between Polish Jews and their coreligionists in the Balkans and Turkey, created a close relationship between the Jewish communities of each country.
In the 14th and 15th centuries the main occupation of Jews in Poland was local and long distance trade. Jews performed the role of middlemen in trade between Poland and Hungary, Turkey and the Italian colonies on the Black Sea. While the Jews were running the commercial interests of the Polish nobility, some of the nobility and intelligentsia were hanging out in the salons of France.
Jews also took part in the Baltic trade and commercial operations in Silesia. Owing to their links with Jewish communities in other countries as well as experience in trade and moneylending operations, Jewish merchants gained the advantage over local merchants, both in European and overseas trade.
Following protests by the rich Polish burghers and the clergy, the scope of credit operations conducted by the Jews was seriously curtailed in the early 15th century.
The amassed capital was invested by the Jews in leaseholds. In the 14th and 15th centuries rich Jewish merchants and moneylenders leased the royal mint, salt mines and the collecting of customs and tolls. They could own several villages, particularly in the Russyn (Ruthenian) voivodship and were administrators of other villages on behalf of the nobles.
The Polish nobility enjoyed many rights that were not available to the noble classes of other countries and, typically, each new monarch conceded them further privileges. Those privileges became the basis of the Golden Liberty in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
Despite having a king, Poland was called the nobility’s Commonwealth because the king was elected by all interested members of hereditary nobility and Poland was considered to be the property of this class, not of the king or the ruling dynasty.
However, apart from the Jews who lived under their own autonomous privileges and laws in the Kahal hegemony of Rabbinic Civilization, Golden Liberty was enjoyed by only about 10% of the Polish Catholic population, mainly the nobility and the clergy. Clergy positions could only be given to the nobility as well.
The Orthodox and Catholic Polish peasant serfs, and Orthodox Ruthenian, Belarusian, and Gallician peasants and Cossacks groaning under the exploitive feudal serfdom of not only the Polish elites and magnates and their colonialism, but their sometimes ennobled, burgher class business partners the Jews, who among their many enterprises, farmed the peasants for taxes and fees like overplowed fields, did once rise up and try to do something about the Jews.
Sadly, the Polish nobility was also deeply resented by this time, and I believe this was called the start of the Deluge.
DM: “You hang me dry just for some of my Polish roots as soon I revealed it, attempting to silence me like many other Poles have been, who tried to take a stand on international level requesting resolution and some acknowledgement.”
I haven’t hung you out to dry, and certainly not for your Polish roots.
As an idiom, if you hang someone out to dry, you abandon them when they are in trouble. What you are accusing me of doing is abandoning you when you are in trouble for some of your Polish roots as soon as you reveal it.
I certainly don’t have the power to silence you, or to silence anyone else, especially the “many other Poles have been…”.
Here at RJN? Where are you referring to? I recall perhaps two, three, or maybe six over the years who have commented at RJN that identified themselves as Poles.
That doesn’t strike me as “many.”
But, now this sentence becomes problematic, because you are saying that I, KathJ, have attempted to silence you AND other Poles who tried to take a stand on an international level requesting resolution and some acknowledgement.
How did I get that kind of international political clout? Or is it a magic wand that I wave, and poof! I’ve silenced all the Poles in the world?
DM: “All they truly wished for was having the Russian government acknowledging this long suppressed crime committed at Stalin’s order by his Judeo-communist henchmen.”
More of the same original accusation that the Russian government has not acknowledged it, or perhaps not acknowledged it enough.
In 2010, in a joint announcements and cooperation between the two countries, Poles had been traveling all week on special trains and tourist packages from Poland to Smolensk and Katyn.
Official state flights were arranged months in advance through respective Russian and Polish state departments conducted for taking many high ranking Polish officials to ceremonies marking the 70th anniversary of the Katyn Massacre.
And then, because of the tragedy and relations between the two countries were already thawing, on 28 April, 18 days after the crash, Russia’s state archive was prompted to publicly publish on their website a number of previously secret files on the Katyn Massacre.
The files were declassified in the early 1990s, but before the 28 April publication they were only available to specialized researchers.
( telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/7644007/Russia-publishes-previously-secret-files-on-1940-Katyn-massacre.html )
Then, on 26 November 2010, the Russian State Duma passed a resolution admitting that Soviet leader Joseph Stalin personally approved the Katyn Massacre.
Though this stance changed in 1990 when Mikhail Gorbachev admitted the Soviet NKVD secret police carried out the massacre, the November 2010 resolution was the first time the Russian government formally admitted direct involvement by Stalin.
( telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/8162859/Russian-parliament-admits-Stalin-ordered-Katyn-massacre.html )
Wow. After all this, it is still apparently not enough for some Poles that the Duma of the RF passed this important official resolution at the end of 2010.
On the other hand, dear Deer’s Mountain, I’m sure you are satisfied with this action by the Russians by now.
@KathJuliane,
Well done! You are on the right track, I tell you with some emotion that you’ll understand.
No comment regarding this below:
Russian supporters beat up EURO 2012 stewards in Wroclaw
youtube.com/watch?v=w2NfqPsls2Y
I’d rather keep my lips sealed from now on.
Dear Deer’s Mountain,
So, how does anyone, like me, who doesn’t speak Polish or Russian, tell the difference on YouTube between Russian hooligans and Polish ones, or German hooligans, or Czech hooligans, or British hooligans?
Are they like gangs and wear colors, or special clothing, or different shades of black hoodies or what?
Are the Polish hooligans more angelic or something? Just curious.
The finer points of hooligan watching escape me.
youtube.com/watch?v=xGrhObjhOi0
That’s why you need the missile shield!
KathJuliane- LOL on the hooligan watching!
And I greatly appreciate your informative posts. There’s a lot to be learned on this site from Brother Nathanael, as well as the commenters.
@Seraphim
June 10, 2012 @ 12:00 am
I know we haven’t seen eye to eye at all times, but when I read your short contribution I couldn’t stop laughing for several minutes!
KATH, I have remembered it when, a long time ago, you have described to me in sincere words the difficulty to know how to react to people on the internet when you cannot see their faces or their gestures. I have never forgotten.
Your body may be sick, but your mind functions very fine and sometimes I wish I had your patience.
Let me therefore tell you that I wish from all my heart that you will be as healthy as can be under the circumstances and…ah well, see you on the next thread!
Perhaps this blog should be renamed to Real Zionist-Polish News?
Once again; your STRONG anti-Polish sentiments have been duly noticed.
Any diplomatic dialogue is ridiculed and just a WASTE OF TIME. I now fully understand your true mission here.
Well, time will tell; the best shield is the SHIELD of the POLISH SPIRIT.
It’s not gone yet.
IT IS STILL THERE! 🙂
@Wotan
You made my day. I have worked for a long time with elderly, sick and disabled people.
Our brief of how to deal with them was: you will know that you did your job well if you put a smile on their faces!
And in fact the post of Deer, as “proof” of his stance, was a joke.
It seems that it has all to do with the “tensions high ahead of Poland vs Russia” on Tuesday.
Russians are clear favorites and a victory can lead to serious clashes (as well as the elimination of Poland).
The rush to “punish” the Russian football association for minor scuffles (although accusations of “racism” and fanning “the flag of the Russian empire”) may attract points deductions or worse banishment from the competition.
It looks like a provocation engineered to lead to this outcome. Press comments are in advance replete with evocations of the troubled relations between Poland and Russia “including four decades of Soviet Union dominance under communism that was overthrown in Poland in 1989”.
Not exactly fair play.
It is a tragedy that many Poles do not realize that by cultivating Russophobia they are playing into the hands of their worst enemies.
The attitude can be compared to a situation where you see a snake in your garden and do everything you can to protect yourself against it, bu you fail to see a very poisonous snake right under your pillow.
On the other hand this attitude is hardly surprising, if we take into account that Russophobia is not limited to Poland. It is very strong in many Western countries in Europe.
It is both senseless and unfair to blame Poland for Russophobia if countries that have little historical reason to be anti-Russian are afflicted by the same ailment. And aren’t these mighty countries in the West better and superior to their cousins in Eastern Europe?
Didn’t they create that great Western civilization as well as unprecedented material prosperity? No wonder that many Poles think that if these mighty countries in the West dislike Russia so much, so why shouldn’t we – who had historical issues with Russia – do it even more?
Why is the Katyn Massacre so much talked about and a horrific massacre of the Polish civilian population by mostly Uniate Western Ukrainian national fascists is known to only a small percentage of the Polish population?
The answer is very simple. The first one helps to spread more dislike of Russians and thus serves the interests of the Globalist Order. The second one would unnecessarily set the Poles against Western Ukrainians many of whom are visciously Russophobic (Certainly more Russophobic than anti-Semitic!)
KathJuliane,
The Poles were not totally ok with the Jewish control of Poland. First of all, in those times the only people who had control were kings or nobles who had to be Christian. So the Jewish activities were still limited. These were not the times of democracy and human rights.
If you engaged in human trafficking of Christians and you were a Jew or a Gypsy, you were lucky to be hanged because usually more horrible punishments were applied especially to those who were not of noble birth.
Secondly, not all Polish territories were controlled by the nobles. Some territories belonged to the Catholic Church. On these territories the Jews were not allowed to settle.
Thirdly, the Jews were occassionally driven out of certain cities or towns. People were not completely unaware of the unfavourable conditions that Jews created wherever they settled.
Privileges of the Polish nobility were not necessarily unique. The Hungarian nobility was equally powerful and they exploited the common people without limits. Their subjects included not only ethnic Hungarians but also Slovaks and Szekely people.
There was an extremely bloody rebellion against the Hungarian nobles in the 16th century which was crushed with atrocious cruelty.
True, Poland gave Jews extensive privileges but these privileges did not extend beyond its territories. The Jewish power was limited. The main problem did not start in Poland but it started in the West, mainly the Anglosphere.
The political and religious climate in the Anglosphere created very favourable conditions for the rise of a real Jewish power. It did not take place all at once. It was a gradual process. Ironically, the Jewish communities in the Anglo-world were not particularly numerous and they did not even come from Poland, at least not initially.
They came from Catholic Spain and Portugal and a few other mostly Catholic places. They were not Ashkenazim but Sephardim.
If we look at the further course of history, what do we see? Where do we see outbreaks of anti-Semitism? We see them in Eastern Europe? Sometimes the reports about them were really exaggerated but there was indeed a lot of resentment against the Jews in Eastern Europe.
Why? Because the local people feel they are being exploited. What was the reaction of the West, especially the Anglosphere and France (to a lesser degree)? “These Eastern Europeans are evil and primitive peoples, they are intolerant and terribly backward.”
The truth is that these primitive, backward East Europeans knew better.
Seraphim,
I heard about attempts to create something that is sometimes called Judeo-Polonia in parts of Poland, Ukraine, Belarus etc. Is that what you are referring to?
Marina,
A truly HONORABLE person and one of the very few I have met on this forum, THANK YOU! 🙂
I am still learning a lot from you.
God bless you.
@ Marina
Yes, I was referring to the attempts to create a confederation of states dominated by Jews in parts of Ukraine, Poland, Belarus, Baltic, Bessarabia under German protectorate.
The proponents were directly offering themselves as the tools of German domination and as a counterbalance to the Poles (very specifically).