Jewish Lobby ‘Strong-Arms’ Limp-Wristed Obama
Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, White House, 1 March 2011 HERE
JEWISH LOBBY
‘STRONG–ARMS’
LIMP–WRISTED OBAMA
By Brother Nathanael Kapner, Copyright 2011
Articles May Be Reproduced Only With Authorship of Br Nathanael Kapner
& Link To Real Jew News (SM)
Support The Brother Nathanael Foundation! HERE
Or Send Your Contribution To:
The Brother Nathanael Foundation, PO Box 547, Priest River ID 83856
E-mail: bronathanael@yahoo.com
_________
ALL THE KING’S JEWS were there—both from The Lobby and Capitol Hill—to deliver to their puppet president, Barack Hussein Obama, his marching orders.
The Zionist Jewish leaders, which included the Anti-Defamation League’s Abe Foxman, had originally tried to keep the meeting secret, but hastily added it to the official schedule after the news leaked out.
A 50-person Jewish delegation from the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations slid from under their rocks to inject their demands into their fraud shill in the White House at a dinner in the State Dining Room on 1 March 2011.
The envoys (enforcers) of the Zionist agenda to constantly reaffirm America’s “unbreakable bond” with the (Rothschild) state of Israel also met with Jewish White House insiders:
1- David Cohen, Department of Treasury’s ‘Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence’
2 – Daniel Shapiro, Director for the Middle East at the National Security Council
3 – Dennis Ross, Special Assistant to the President
4 – Eric Cantor, House Majority Leader
5 – Steny Hoyer, House Minority Whip
With a stacked deck of hardcore Jewish agents both inside the White House and the Zionist Halls of Capitol Hill, America is once again held captive, bound and gagged, and on bended knee by a foreign machine within its own borders.
During the ‘meeting’ (instructional session), Obama cowered to his Jewish masters, reminding them of his recent veto of the Anti-Israel UN Resolution and agreeing with the Zionist pack that Israel “must use” its military strength to create a context for peace with the Palestinians.
Speaking to the press afterwards, Rabbi Steven Wernick, CEO of the United Synagogue for Conservative Judaism, lauded Obama for “really listening” to the Jewish community as a “testament” to democracy in America. (What a joke!) View Entire Story
Here & Here.(It is wise to always keep in mind that American Jewry amounts to no more than 1.5% of the entire population of this country.)
Also following the meeting, Alan Solow and Malcolm Hoenlein, who head the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations, gleefully announced:
“The President and Congressional leaders reaffirmed their deep commitment to Israel’s security.” (Reaffirmed to continue the unlimited bankrolling of Israel and to committing war, crime, and mass genocide for their master.)
“And with Admiral Mike Mullen’s recent visit to Israel, where he said that the accord between the two militaries is the best it’s ever been, demonstrates that the special relationship between the US and Israel is very strong.” View Entire Story Here, Here, Here, & Here. (‘Special’…as in a rich slave whore to be raped and plundered at will.)
Summing it all up in a joint White House & Conference statement, traitor Obama affirmed his “opposition” to any effort to single out Israel for criticism, and, (of course), his commitment to “maintaining” foreign aid to Israel. View Entire Story Here & Here.
AND THERE YOU HAVE IT —yet another kangaroo court— presided over by Zionist judges and their court scrivener, Barack Hussein Obama, who, like an obedient copyist, announced their Jewish agenda to all the goyim cattle and sheep of America.
___________________________________
“Is IT GOOD FOR THE JEWS?” is the touchstone question of the Jewish Lobby and their constituency made up of a fly speck of the US population when formulating their demands upon their stooges and bitches in the White House and Capitol Hill.
But what’s “good for America” — if its policy includes “singling out Israel for criticism” — is not only denied a public forum but will get its proponents smeared in the Jewish-owned press and an opportunity to enroll for unemployment benefits and food stamps…
CLICK: Brother Nathanael! Street Evangelist!
Support Brother Nathanael! HERE
Or Send Your Contribution To:
Brother Nathanael Kapner; PO Box 547; Priest River ID 83856
Brother Nathanael @ March 13, 2011
Dear Real Zionist News Family –
Just look at ALL THE JEWS in the White House – agents of a foreign power that has TOTAL CONTROL of Obama and all their patsies on Capitol Hill.
With Jew-control of Wall Street, Their Lobby, and the Jew-owned media, “democracy” in America has become a TOTALITARIAN JEW-DICTATORSHIP.
I don’t know what the answer is any longer. Do any of you?
Yesterday evening I was invited for after-dinner-conversation with some “christians” who were actually “baptists” FIRST, and “christians” 2nd, 3rd, or 4th, or perhaps, not “christians” at all.
I shared with them, a group of about 8, my conversion to Orthodox Christianity from Judaism, and mentioned that the Jew-owned press is out to destroy Christianity and only print the news that’s GOOD FOR THE JEWS…And, that’s why they never write about 9/11 being an inside job.
Well, when I said, “9/11 being an inside job,” they ALL became very upset an DEMANDED an explanation.
I told them that THERMATE was found in the air after the tragedy, and that THERMATE is the chemical used in INTERIOR DEMOLITION DEVICES.
One of the women there who worked for the federal government opened the front door and started screaming, “YOU ARE A LUNATIC! GET OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW!”
Then the entire group, (except for the man and wife who invited me over who are part of the Real Zionist News family – who were hoping I would obtain some financial benefactors from the group who were visiting from Houston TX), ALL GOT UP from their seats and couch, and WALKED OUT THE DOOR into their car, SNUBBING ME and REPUDIATING ME.
WHAT CAN I SAY?
THESE “white americans” ARE THE CATTLE AND SHEEP that Obama delivers the JEW AGENDA to.
And — THEY SWALLOW IT ALL!
Now, What’s the answer to JEW CONTROL of JEWmerica?
I think that a Horrible CRISIS has to occur to WAKE UP all the “white” american cattle. I DON’T think the “ballot box” will change a thing….
———————–
On Another Note:
I am not going to plead any longer for financial help. It has really come down to only a FEW that help me.
But, if you would like to ADD to THE FEW, Please Consider Helping Out…
To Donate Simply Click:
https://co.clickandpledge.com/sp/d1/default.aspx?wid=36313
OR @
https://co.clickandpledge.com/sp/d1/default.aspx?wid=26246
Donations By Mail: The Brother Nathanael Foundation / Or Brother Nathanael Kapner; PO Box 547; Priest River ID; 83856.
PS – I have been getting CONTINUAL NON-STOP death threats by phone and have been advised to add to the Alarm System a Security Camera.
Do keep me in your prayers for protection AND funding for the extra security measure.
I called the Phone Company and they advised me to get a Sub Poena and to get the police involved.
Dear Brother,
A question I’ve pondered for some time is that if the Towers were demolished deliberately, why was it a necessary part of the “plan”?
Wasn’t the mere crashing of the planes into the towers a sufficient reason in itself to give the Neocons the event they needed?
The Special Relationship between the U.S. and Israel can best be likened to the relationship between a male customer and a dominatrix.
The customer (US) pays the dominatrix about $200 per hour to inflict pain on him usually with whips and torture devices.
In the case of Israel, we pay Israel much more per hour. We are the ones paying for the pain and we are the ones receiving it.
***Official Financial Contributor to Bro Nathanael Foundation***
DEAR NATHANAEL.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT MY COMMENT AGAINST SOME OPINIONS ARE NOT WELCOME AT YOUR BLOG.
IF THE FALSIFIED STATEMENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE OPPOSED, THEN THAT IS VERY SAD SITUATION.
Dear Etean –
I do not do any of the moderating any longer as my schedule is full.
Why don’t you post your opinions again and the moderation team will post them. +bn
“The Jews cries out in pain as he strikes you!”
Brother Nat: No surprises with the reaction.
I have had that many times from other Whites. The absolute vitriolic attacks you receive from them even if you keep it mild and explain it to them “look the Jews look out for themselves, they are concerned with what you want” will lead to the White’s fists balling up and they will try and strike you.
If only they were that passionate about their own race. But keep in mind, these are the lowest common denominators in American society now. Warped and dumbed down by a constant onslaught of Jew misinformation and mind programming.
You in your mission want to save these souls but keep in mind, they’ve already gone over to Satan. You can no longer bring them back and even if you did, what do you have?
We have to look for safe havens. People and places that are worth our time. We are the remaining outposts. The last few remnants of an American society that used to shine brightly but is now dimmed.
These type of fools will be swept away. When society crashes these fools will be battling it out at the Government cheese and water wagons.
Forget about them. They’re Jewish POWs. We can’t save them!
You need to teach White Christians who worship Jews, about “Christian Identity.”
Then they will stop worshiping Jews/Khazars/Edomites and will become more receptive to the message.
The Zionists seem better organized than the “Goyim” in pushing their Jews-first policies.
Question is: Are Jews more intelligent than the “Goyim”?
How then do you explain 1.5% of the population in the US controlling the rest ?
This is an excellent website about the top most threat facing humanity i.e. international Zionism.
Keep up the good work!
Looking forward to contribute financially soon!
That is because the media is controlled by Jews.
The American “Goy” felt that movies were bad business and unchristian in principle so they got out of the Biz and left it to the immoral people who stayed (Jews) not realizing how powerful a weapon the media would be some years down the road.
Ted Turner was really the last “Goy” who had any significant influence in the media, and that was more than 15 years ago. And he was an atheist. The rest were bought out starting 3/4 of a century ago.
So, how do we fight them? I started by cutting my TV watching down by 95%. I get all my news and entertainment from the internet. I get to choose what goes into my head and into my psyche. Not Zionist Jews. But I realize I am just one person.
Keep up the good fight Brother Nathanael.
Dear Bryan,
You must understand that WTC was an old asbestos filled building.
It was obsolete and a health threat. You may know that to legally remove Asbestos it costs a lot of money.
The building were already slated for destruction (how coincidental). Instead of removing the asbestos legally it was done illegally, that’s why so many first responders have died or are dying of pulmonary fibrosis (lung tissue turns into scar tissue – a terrible sadistic way to die).
The Mossad was the main agent behind the attack.
The Pentagon’s Top Brass already know this.
Please listen to this interview with Dr. Sabrosky, the former director of instruction for the Army War College. He tells you that the Top Brass knows who did it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8_q49WBB6w
Brother Nathanael,
I have known you three years now and interviewed you several times and everyday I have more admiration for you, your courage and your writings. You do us citizens a great service with your well-researched and inside information. Thank you.
I wrote a book called ‘Moral Cowards’ that is now up on Amazon.com as an eBook for $5.99. It is the TRUE story of the rise in power of a tyrant within policing.
I hope your readers will go to Amazon, take a gander at it and read it on their Kindle, or ‘Kindle for PC’ for free.
Each one of us Americans in our own way is trying to save this great Nation and restore our Republic…that we have lost in the last forty years.
Thank you for your service.
Susan Signoracci
Bryan,
John King’s comment is correct, check Sabrosky out. Even Jewish journalist Leland Lerhman’s investigation point to Mossad.
On that vein, one must understand the extent of double agents, traitors, Neocons,the close relationship of cells and groups of various intelligence agencies.
Planes just hitting the towers would not have been dramatic enough. With total destruction, the deaths were on par with Pearl Harbour and that’s what was needed “a second Pearl Harbour” to garner support for the wars and acceptance of limitations on the Bill Of Rights etc.
Planes did not and could not bring the 3 buildings down. There is info an architect shared with me about factors that could have been involved, namely that the Towers also were costing more to maintain than they were worth. An official demolition would not have collected insurance money ( I have not verified this).
You may want to visit mo911truth.org Military Officers for 9/11 Truth.
Best,
Michael
Br. Nathanael,
Your experience comes under what no doubt is a spiritual war of blinders on most Americans and Christians.
I have gone into some “lively” debates on 9/11 and “related” subjects, but not anything like what you just shared. Recently a friend who is a retired missionary agreed to listen to a tape of Dr. Sabrosky.
I have to hand it to her, she respects me enough to do that. She does not like to get into the subject much herself, and offered “no comment either way” after listening, but I thank her for that.
Once she offered, ” I don’t want to get into hating Jews,” I replied “I don’t hate Jews..Nathanael Kapner is (was) Jewish, Henry Makow is Jewish, Roy Tov is Jewish…etc. I just hate what Talmudic/Pharasaic/Kabalistic Jews are DOING and oppose those things.” (She knows I talk of and support them.)
It must come down to a war of prayer, fasting and spiritual warfare to open the eyes of believers.
And perhaps some of the deceived Jews and Zionists will have their eyes opened…”what profit is there to gain the whole world and lose your own soul?” — Jesus
Blessings and prayers,
Michael
Brother Nate,
What church did the people attend in Houston, Texas?
I am just curious. If you can tell me that, then I can tell you about the buzz saw you ran into regarding 911 truth and these particular type of sheep.
Sometimes you have to take it easy on this truth stuff. Ha ha ha…..
The key to 9/11 lies with WTC 7 and how after it were ordered to be ‘pulled down’, then presto, down it came.
But any demolition work requires months of planning and maybe weeks of placing the charges at their critical points before any whim of pulling a building is met.
This shows that not only was the WTC 7 wired for destruction prior to Sept 11 2001 but chances are that the towers that fell were likewise wired beforehand.
Another key is that the concrete was simply ‘pulverized,’ the steel melted and miraculously paper was the only material that was unscathed.
These characteristics indicate that a form of an energy weapon was used. During the first attack on WTC some honest investigators claimed that the concrete ‘fused’ and became glass like. Did a similar characteristic observed on the material on 9/11 ? Well only the Chinese can tell, since the necessary forensic evidence was sold post haste to them as ‘scrap’. How convenient.
Immediately after 9/11 a skyscraper burned for more 24 hrs somewhere in Venezuela(?) at a more intense heat yet the steel girders did not melt and the building didn’t collapse.
Joe Vialls (RIP and how we miss you) was very astute as he was the first to claim that only thermite could have melted that steel, a theory further corroborated by many structural, chemical engineers and military personnel.
When I have the time I will visit the following website:
http://www.ufppc.org/us-a-world-news-mainmenu-35/9434-media-analysis-renascent-911-doubt-nano-thermite-was-not-prepared-in-a-cave-in-afghanistan.html
Did the Jew. S.A. attack Japan once again? This would not be the first time in history, right?
The method this time: HAARP or secret space-based weapon, or even both?
2008: Japan and China blame the U.S. HAARP program for catastrophic earthquakes
http://salonesoterica.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/video-japan-and-china-blame-the-us-haarp-program-for-catastrophic-earthquakes
2010: Hugo Chavez: “USA tectonic weapon test caused Haiti earthquake”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GypT_gu-mkU
22 April 2010: U.S. Air Force launches secret “Space Plane” X-37B
Former Russian air force commander Anatoly Kornukov has sharply criticized the US launch of an unmanned space craft, saying that Russia now needs to develop a new defense system against space and air attacks, Russian media report.
“The US has completely spit on calls from Russia and the world to abandon plans for the deployment of weapons in space,” he said.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/LE04Ad01.html
05 March 2011: U.S. Air Force launches 2. Space Plane, one week later:
11 March 2011: Earthquakes and Tsunami hit Japan, explosions at Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant
“We just do not know whether or not earthquakes are caused by HAARP or not. What we can look at is evidence, motive and opportunity. And it’s there if you look.
“There’s the flashing lights in the sky before various events (e.g., Tsunami, China Quake, Haiti Quake and the recent Chile Quake. There’s absence of warnings (foreshocks) in many cases (e.g., China and Haiti) and there’s motive. There’s even reports that HAARP is being used to threaten other countries to accept our programs (whatever they might be), or else!
Weeks before the Tsunami 12/26/04, Indonesia refused to allow their country to be used as a base for “anti-terrorist activities.” Weeks later, there was the horrible Tsunami and terrible lose of lives. Soon thereafter, they signed the agreement with America.
Haiti was quickly occupied by our forces (for “humanitarian” aid, of course!) and I think Chile was hit by mistake…it was probably meant for Venezuela.
Japan (allegedly) has been threatened with a HAARP induced earth quake. They’re so earthquake-prone, one could NEVER tell if a quake is due to a HAARP weapon, unless they have equipment to detect Scalar and ultra-low frequency waves.”
Kalif,
Flt 93 was destined for Bldg 7 but the crew wrested control of the aircraft from the small aircraft shadowing it, which had been exercising control remotely in the direction of Bldg 7.
Flt 93 had to be shot down, and was, by a missile from a USAF jet. Otherwise on landing the whole story would also have come out about WTC 1 & 2, and that part of the Bush admin involved in this would have been executed, including Bush, long ago for this treason.
End of Israel, too.
Brother Nathanael,
Unfortunately you received a taste of what I have been up against, the “Baptist” unquestioning, unwavering support for “Israel” and the “chosen people”.
I have written off attempting to convert anyone over the age of 21, their minds are simply too brainwashed to consider anything beyond what is spoon-fed to them, either by the television or their Zionist-supporting clergy. I believe the only hope lies in the nation’s youth, whom I believe are disillusioned with what is being forced down their throats and are hungry for truth.
On another note, I continually bring you into my testimony, trying to spread this message of truth to anyone who might hear objectively. The sad truth is that most people from a very young age accepted their confusion as normal and quit listening to their hearts, instead forcing themselves to make sense out of something that is totally insensible.
Too many, especially those of the southern persuasion, place their salvation in their faithful church attendance and tithing, hoping that through their actions they might find grace and truth. Although the hunger pains are a clear indication that they are starving, these “baptists” refuse to accept the truth, even when it smacks them in face, instead preferring to live an illusion.
It is so sad for me to witness the faith and devotion to God, maintained faithfully over the generations, so quickly and readily thrown away by this last generation of bastards. All it took was a little injection of money by the financiers, after a hundred years of war-induced poverty, and these bastards gleefully traded their heritage for the opportunity to “earn” some legal tender.
As the seventh born son from my father who in his lifetime witnessed the vanquishing of the American State in favor of the abominable Federal Government, I will not forget what was lost and the price paid for it. I pray for all of us continually and know in my heart that these good works will not be done in vain but for the glorification of God through Jesus Christ.
May God bless and keep all of you, and may Brother Nathanael’s support grow increasingly with each day. And may we all continue to grow in the grace and truth that is so graciously given through our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
Dear Brother Nathanael,
You are a real trooper, trying like you did to raise some consciousness among the ‘good people’. Sorry it went so bad. Shake the dust off of your sandals and move on.
I think we have a problem, Houston:
“MARCH 11-23 EVENT?! Signs and Evidence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95zMdTvoqcQ&feature=email
“Comet Elenin, Earth, and the Sun were in exact alignment last year on February 27th. That is when the Chile Earthquake happened, and Earth’s axis shifted. This year, the same alignment happens March 11-15, and the comet is much closer. PLEASE move away from fault areas during this time!”
“japan 8.9 – 9.1 EarthQuake HAARP??… JAPAN THREATEND IN PAST , WATCH”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRqcxjdRzGw&feature=email
BEWARE THE IDES OF MARCH!
Protestantism is to Christianity
As
Thermate & Big Boeings crashing into buildings is to
9-11 TRUTH.
The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit infects all.
Dear Brother Nathanael,
I’ve been through all this death threat stuff before, and in my opinion its all the work of complete fairies. Only an impotent eunuch resorts to phone harassment.
Real killers don’t give warning, the two are categorically different psychologically. I’m not saying don’t increase security, but don’t worry–laugh at this phone homo.
michael mazur
Are you trying to say that if the jets that hit the twin towers were prevented from their mission then the towers would have fallen anyway ???
I spoke about the suspicious fact that WTC-7 was wired and ready for demolition weeks before the event. I hope you understand.
@Joshua
Scalar Wars
The Brave New World of Scalar Electromagnetics
http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm
Did New York Orchestrate The Asian Tsunami?
http://www.reformation.org/joevialls.html
http://www.whale.to/b/vialls2.html
Dear Brother Nathanael
Do not totally give up on John Q. Public just yet.
I know it can seem hopeless but I swear that I have noticed a shift in peoples’ attitude.
Lots of small subtle signs that the dumbed down are clearing the fog from their brain.
Of course there are always the chronicaly stupid and as long as they have their sports – movies – TV – drugs – beer, will behave like the good cattle they are.
But I have talked to folks that before last year would never have questioned our government or it’s leaders that now know we are corrupt and sinking into the abyss of third world status.
They are mad as hell and looking for the reason – that is where we all come in, to gently prod and coax them into realizing the truth.
+BN, you do a wonderful job at exposing the truth, your tireless work does not go unnoticed. I will continue to support your ministry and I know many others will also.
The analogy to MASTER-BLASTER is shown here in brilliant clarity.
Whenever the puppet needs a jerk, the jerks pull the strings.
It is called: “The Sacred Lie”.
That’s why those devil worshipers got so irate. There master has a good grip on them.
It is no different from Saint Oliver’s Catholic Church in Snellville, Georgia, where I used to go, where they pray for the success of the mission of our troops.
Even though the war is not a just war according to the official stance of the Catholic Church and the fact that the mission is designed by Zionists and not by God.
It makes the priest ask for God to bless Satan’s plan. No wonder I don’t go to that church anymore.
mburu
The Jews are not more intelligent than the Christian people of this world. They merely have, and know how to, control the money spigots. They have control of all of the major banks of this planet including all national banks.
They buy mostly all politicians who aren’t members of their criminal cabal. The rest they get the dirt on and blackmail and cower into submission.
Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio had been against Obama’s Health Care Plan. Once taken to a private meeting with Obama, he capitulated. And to think, he was one of the main forces against it. If he couldn’t stand up to this, then what can he stand up to?
Merchant: A person who buys and sells commodities as a business or for profit.
Zacharias: 14:21, “And every cauldron in Jerusalem and Judah shall be sanctified to the Lord of hosts: and all that sacrifice shall come, and take of them, and shall seethe in them: and the MERCHANT SHALL BE NO MORE IN THE HOUSE OF THE LORD OF HOSTS IN THAT DAY.” Catholic Douay Rheims Bible
Western Bankers threatened Japan with HAARP Eco-Destruction a year before China quakes
Uploaded on May 28, 2008 by christollinger:
Benjamin Fulford reports from Tokyo on a mysterious plasma weapon seen prior to the Niigata earthquake in July, 2007 and red, white and blue lights seen prior to the recent earthquake in China.
Both quakes targeted nuclear facilities…coincidence?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InV0cVH6KZc
All Israel-loving ‘Christians’ like Goldman Sachs’ Hank Paulsen are just as guilty!
They hide under the skirts of big Jews, like they’re innocents. Well, they are not innocent. They’re worse than the Jews.
9/11 Jews – We know your names:
Alvin K. Hellerstein
Michael Mukasey
Sheila Birnbaum
Kenneth Feinberg
Michael Chertoff
Doug Zakheim
Richard Perle
Paul Wolfowitz
Douglas Feith
Philip Zelikow
Ari Fleischer
Benjamin Netanyahu
Larry Silverstein
Frank Lowy
Lewis Eisenberg
Ronald Lauder
Jerome Hauer
Adam Pearlman
Last but not least: “The Five Dancing Israelis”
“The (Jewish) question is – Why? Look at the people who committed this despicable crime. Some of them are billionaires, most of them are well-off, and none of them are poor, oppressed victims.
America has truly been the land of opportunity for Jews. They own all of our TV networks, and most of our newspapers, publishing houses, and movie studios. They own our banks, (including the Federal Reserve), and create our money out of thin air only to lend it to us at interest.
Yet these Jewish criminals incinerated nearly 3000 people on September 11th, 2001, and goaded our country into a “war on terror” which has cost over a million lives. The cover-up of this crime has created an outrageous scandal that is tearing this country apart.
This is the most heinous, treacherous act ever committed against the United States of America. They have the gall, and the contempt for us to carry out this treasonous crime. We’ve been nothing but kind and generous to these people, in return they have destroyed our Republic.”
source: http://thepopulist.net/?p=542
IMHO it comes down to those that self-identify as Jews (which I believe is merely a business moniker like the Mafia) and those that self-identify as Hebrews.
Hebrews are okay with me and are true believers in God’s word. Jews on the other hand are MONSTERS! and I am fully dedicated now to bringing them back some of the war they’ve declared on me (both personally and as a member of the White race).
Whenever engaging a Goyim the last thread they cling to is “Well, I believe there’s good and bad in every race” to which I reply then “What race are Jews? Are they a race or a religion?”
The Goyim stumbles “Ummm…. ummm, w-w-w-well they’re white (lowercase to a Goyim).” “Are they?” I reply.
The Goyim is completely baffled.
Then I follow up with “Well you know this whole “good Jew, bad Jew” thing.
Have you ever seen a good Jew? Have you ever seen them helping out at a homeless mission, or at a rally for the rights of Whites, or even the rights of anyone else in general besides Jews?
What about United Way? That’s a Jewish charity, do you see them helping out Christians?
Goyim will shrivel in horror at these questions and try and run away as they are shout after them “That’s right! You’ll find the “Good Jews” hanging out with Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, there is no such thing!”
Hi Ya`ll!!
I was just wondering! Are the Banks in Japan run by Jews or the Japanese?
I just want to tell you that my son came home from Japan March 1 from studying (to be a Japanese as a second Language) teacher at Wasada University.
When he gets a teaching job, I pray it is here and NOT in Japan.
Take care everybody and Have a nice day.
My solution, don’t pay money to anything, just don’t pay rents, credit cards, mortgages, insurance.
Bill collectors say you owe?
You say no I don’t. I am not paying.
Money is b.s.
We are gonna stop using it. We are gonna just do stuff for each other for free.
People will come up with fair exchanges of their time and energy, between themselves.
Just don’t pay.
A strike on paying.
Force them to grab people, hold them down, and physically rob them.
“Have you ever seen a good Jew?”
Yes, and more than one, I can think of at least 7 off the top of my head.
@ Craig Pepe
March 14, 2011 @ 9:30 am
“Have you ever seen a good Jew?”
Yes, and more than one, I can think of at least 7 off the top of my head.”
Think about it, Jews or Hebrews? There’s a difference. Jews never go to synagogue only Hebrews do.
The federal government is controlled by the debt money system, so what can anyone do at that level?
Our state and smaller governments are also controlled by the debt money system. (Do we really understand the bonds that “we the people” issue to finance local projects?)
The ACTUAL governance of this country IS through the Federal Reserve, other international banks, owners of international banks and international corporations.
Byron Dale has introduced an act into the Minnesota State Legislature which would inject money into the system through monetizing production rather than through monetizing debt (the current Jewish-controlled system).
This methodological change would allow the roads to be improved without increasing debt or taxes. People would necessarily be employed to do the required work.
A paradigm shift in peoples’ thinking would be a involved with implementing Byron Dale’s proposed legislation. People might have to re-examine some of their deeply held thought patterns and beliefs.
Is challenging the banking industry’s debt-based monetary Ponzi scheme officially antisemitic yet?
Brother Nathanael, I only want to comment on your comment about the “baptists” first, christians second…or third, or fourth.
You are right. But maybe as an Orthodox Christian convert (which involved correctly much study of the Early Church Fathers) you do not realize that very few baptists or fundamentalists have studied the Early Church Fathers.
In fact, I don’t believe that Baptists in general understand that “the People of God” of the Old Testament BECAME the Christians of the New Testament when Christ suffered, died and was resurrected for the sins of mankind.
In other words, the Baptists think that the Jews in Israel, are the People of God of the OT, therefore, they still are.
Maybe a refresher lesson on how the The People of God (OT) is now the Christian Church (NT) might help all readers here.
In fact, Brother Nathanael, most Baptists will tell you that is “replacement theology” as they term it.
I like to tell them, “yes, it is.”
Jesus is all about replacement theology.
He is the New Covenant and He “replaced” the Old Covenant.
And then I ask them, “are you one of those who prefers to be identified with the Old Covenant, or have you accepted Jesus as your Saviour?”
We know their common reply.
I then say, “welcome to replacement theology.”
It is sad that the world leaders either do not remember or don’t know who the original authors of genocide are.
The slaughter led by Joshua from Mount Horeb was the first Genocide authorized by God.
Didn’t God just give them the Commandment, “Thou Shalt not Kill.”
Br. Nate,
I urge you as one Christian to another, find it within yourself to ease up on Obama.
For a black man to be the president of the United States in the first place – I will reiterate again – is the single defining moment in US history.
Never has the US elected a black president in its history. I’d like people to keep this in mind before hammering Obama all over the place.
Now, is he controversial? Yes. Does it seem at moments that Obama does whatever Jews want? Yes.
Well, let’s take any US President before Obama. I want to know of a single US President before and after the creation of Israel that was not pro-Israel for one, and two that was not pro-Jewish lobby.
I apologize Br. Nate, it’s nothing new. Jews always find a way to keep manipulating their way to the top.
Well, plenty of other folks do this as well – Christian, blacks, etc (all races, religions and creeds have corruption of some kind).
And, many of you rightly point out that 9/11 did involve Israel and the Mossad. However, I believe 9/11 was much more complicated than ever thought to be.
Yes, folks, Israel is also capable of brutality – just like its neighbor Libya. Brutality of any kind should not be permitted for any reason.
Finally, I want to say that the responses Br. Nate gets on his new articles just keep getting better. People who respond really know what they are talking about – John King, you namely on this particular page have quite accurately told it how it is.
“Justice
March 14, 2011 @ 10:15 am
It is sad that the world leaders either do not remember or don’t know who the original authors of genocide are.
The slaughter led by Joshua from Mount Horeb was the first Genocide authorized by God.
Didn’t God just give them the Commandment, “Thou Shalt not Kill.”
—
I understand that the CORRECT translation from the Hebrew is…Thou shalt not MURDER.
Killing is sometimes permissible in God’s economy.
In the Old Testament, God had a legitimate reason for commanding the eradication of the pagan Canaanites.
That is one common error many “Christian” “anti-Zionists” today. (The other common error is accepting the racial construct that the Jews and others want to impose on all of this. The racial position is all wrong. This is not racial. This is about Logos.)
CatholicIntl.com (Robert Sungenis has posted a video by Gilad Atzman and Dr. S. says this…
(We do not endorse the view espoused in the video that calls Deuteronomy “murderous” and “barbaric” since the host did not distinguish between the legitimacy of Deuteronomy’s commands in the OT as opposed to the Jews’ attempted use of them today, which is illegitimate. – R. Sungenis)
In other words, it was not “genocide” nor was it “murderous” nor was it “barbaric” then. But many people today use the Old Testament to justify genocide and mass murder and barbarism today.
I have explained before in detail that Protestants are basically “Christians” who want to act like Jews, and their whole justification and mindset is based on their “pick and choose” justifications and examples from the Old Testament.
Thank you, thank you, Brother Nathanael.
I don’t know how you get the facts. And thanks for putting it on text.
It all translates into Jews sucking the American blood like parasites w/Jew wars also in Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza and Pakistan; the American economy ransacked by Wall St. Jews and Republicans.
It seems no choice but Revolution.
Hopefully unknowingly and uncomplicitly, seemingly well intentioned Brother Nate’s Website, like other truth-seekers and conspiracy theorists sites traffic has already been infiltrated if you don’t already realize it and constantly monitored for activity with high tech filtering technology, as I am sure for some time now.
Baiting is nothing new for whichever side you are on (eg. Semite or AntiSemite). Baited, caught, declawed, and now controlled by information mixed with disinformation. Winston, how many fingers am I holding up and it better be the politically correct answer that we taught you or else we unleash your greatest fear on you — in Winston’s case rat torture!
After all, it doesn’t take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, you can feel it.
And closer tabs are being compiled I assure you than individual politician’s voting records concerning topics of interest to Zio-Zealot misled Israel or the profiling tabs being kept by the larger group of Illuminati One Worlders that are being kept on it’s web viewers and opinions of their commentators alike.
Their voices I’m sure are being handled in a controlled opposition way not unlike Producer Michael Moore’s retinal circus was used and marginalized within controllable limits or to an allowable minimum of media attention and with approved timing.
In the old days they used to take down license plate numbers at dissenters gatherings or club meet-ups and then keep files on and monitor those caught in the nets.
The internet and sites like Facebook (who by the way if you don’t already know it, sell and share your personal and public information that has been gathered, filtered and sifted to corporations, personal background check information providers(traffickers), NGOs etc. and retain it within agencies like Total Information Awareness-(TIA) and have replaced old file cabinets with state of the art digital PROfiles.
Through pop sites like Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube video, people unknowingly are complicitly building their own potential invisible prisons and open for being plugged into when authorities or potential employers feel it is now necessary for them to be investigated.
So watch what you share as it can and will be held against you. Give a listen to or read the words from Bob Dylan’s cryptic classic “Desolation Row” to get a feel and insight for the world the ‘lords’ are creating for their new Creature Citizenry.
That was 1965 when he broke out of the folk shell that got him on the world stage and he went electric for the first time with some more explosive and cryptic lyrics probably released by the drugs he was experimenting with at the time.
Brother Nate, for example, is already a persona non gratis on the ADLs website as his name comes up as an agitator on it’s website’s search engine.
When I asked a Hasidim one time why Jesus Christ was the persona non gratis of his era, the reply was that Jeshua was a troublemaker. I guess he was upsetting the gravy train that was setting up camp to do trade in the synagogue markets.
At that time, the Zionist styled elitists had a Roman emperor to cowtow and supposedly answer to. Today the Zio-Illuminati Zealots choose their own puppets like the baa baa black sheep Obaaaaaama or whatever acceptable running mate they put up there to make voters think that they have a choice who basically is there to deliver prepared speeches engraved on teleprompeters and reflect to the public a mirror of whatever his subjects definitions of change or desire are.
Even Brother Nate communicates that he would like to be able to afford and take extra security steps as he feels a real fear, and not just paranoia, by the constant threats he says that he gets on a daily basis from people with the mindset of the meeting that he was invited to recently and then unceremoniously asked to leave.
He is unfortunately letting the fear vibrations get to him and feels forced to operate from the same 3 dimensional 5 sense vibrational energy that the leaders that he is exposing operate from. You peace for peace Brother Nate, you don’t fight for it.
That is exactly the reaction from him that they want. He should have expected this like JC obviously predicted but I suspect that they will leave him alone as long as he is useful to the agenda or unknowingly serving it for baiting purposes as I suggested above.
It is their game, their material world, they created it and their world wide spider web internet technology to police their creation and the witting or unwitting pawns like us in it. The masters make the rules for both the wiseman and the fools but it’s alright, it’s life and life only. Try to find comfort in realizing that you are in this world but not of it.
I suggest that Brother Nate either pray constantly as he seems to be doing with his chosen conversion to Orthodox Christianity, learn to meditate deeply.
Our best weapon against this increasingly clandestine tyranny it appears is leaving their artificially created and solipsistic matrix vibration by continuing on our path of unretarded and unrelenting pursuits of happiness (Enlightened Illumination) and infinite love as their vibration seems to only vibrate and understand illusory hate.
As I suggested before, Blacklisting and PROfiling appears to be in in high gear again thanks to internet technologies where we reveal our friends and tell them about us and what is on our minds without recognizing the future implications of the misuse of our personal imformation.
If considered influential or capable of forming a significant following or movement, one is then perceived and targeted as of higher value, investigated, probed, scrutinized and if at all possible declawed.
Then subjected to career suicide tactics, and if deemed necessary, financially dismembered and drained by being tied up in instances of false accusation and witness; bleeding litigation or the subject of a less than random and targeted tax audit; or investigation or loss of professional license of some sort.
Or even thrown out of political office by a scandal or smear campaign of some sort or unseated by another candidate who has an immensely stronger funding machine backing them.
It is a fool anyway that thinks they change the system from within the infrastructure and rules of the hierarchical system we are conditioned to constantly since birth and through the educational system (legalized child abuse) anyway.
In a parallel way, Einstein even realized that concept when he searched for solutions to what appeared to be seemingly otherwise insolvable problems.
I feel sorry for insecure nations like Israel & it’s unsuspecting pawnship of duped citizens, and even more so for it’s insecure Zio-Zealot misleaders and their non-Jewish Illuminati elitist collaborators who feel they need maximum tyranny and control over others when in fact they are their own worst enemy and will eventually outsmart themselves.
When will they ever learn?
As an additional note, Facebook has been linked financially to international government spy infrastructure like TIA (CIA/FBI/MOSSAD) etc.
Check http://www.henrymakow.com for poignant article by one of his contributors. With Facebook profiling us and selling our information why do they need to try to advertise the agenda of an overt organization like TIA for and ask for citizens for complicity in policing each other when they can keep it covert?
Do you really think that the Time Person of the Year Mark Zuckerberg (who incidentally was portrayed as a conscienceless, unfeeling robot-like supposed genius in Oscar nominated movie “The Social Network”) got this title in any less of a propagandized way than The Real Founder of Modern Israel Adolph Hitler did without significant backing and devilish approval?
And now he is interviewed as a nice guy and gets the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval by Newscaster Diane Sawyer and being propagandized as joining a club of wealthy philanthropists the likes of Bill Gates and Warren Buffet giving away the greater part of his new found wealth for great causes?
I guess the wealth, power and fame changed him for the better right?
When someone is named Time Person Of The Year, receives an honorary leadership title of some philanthropic organization or unthinkingly accepts the knighted titled “Sir” from the Queen of England watch out!
Sir Bob Geldoff, Sir Paul McCartney then you know they are now an officially recognized member who must now find their place in the hierarchy of a truly corrupt organization at it’s core.
Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones famously berated Mick Jagger for taking the “Sir” title unknowingly without thinking it through. The whore Mick replied but the times and things have changed that the leaders they rebelled against when leading the 60’s youth culture are no longer there or in power.
Richards just laughingly replied and reminded him they have just changed names but are still part of the same club / hierarchy and from the same vibration as the figures from their struggling pre-wealth youths. They talk about global aid programs for impoverished nations at global summits and then do no significant action or no more than window dressing or a token donation for appearances if that.
U2’s singer Bono and Bob Geldoff should be ashamed every time they are duped by a politician like Tony Blair assuring them into thinking that anything lasting was accomplished and will eventually be implemented as a result of these global lip service meetings.
Hopefully Brother Nate isn’t just being played for an unknowing useful idiot to monitor the larger truthseeker community. An Orwellian Emmanuel Goldstein of sorts knowing his role or hopefully I pray uncomplicitly and unknowingly being used.
Hard to believe he can do it all on his own.
His moderators and helpers behind the scenes that he doesn’t really seem to mention or reveal are some of the most tech savvy website publishers that I have seen the likes of.
It appears that a lot of work and research goes into each article and articulate video. Hopefully they too are on his side.
Answer to Bryan about 911 inside job
“A question I’ve pondered for some time is that if the Towers were demolished deliberately, why was it a necessary part of the “plan”?
Wasn’t the mere crashing of the planes into the towers a sufficient reason in itself to give the Neocons the event they needed?”
The whole idea was to blame Muslim terrorists for the destruction of the WTC and start a massive invasion using the 911 inside job as the propaganda tool.
If planes had just crashed it would not have been as terrifying or spectacular. It would not have put the American people into such a state of panic that they would gladly accept war and curtailment of many freedoms through the Patriot Act.
Also, the planes that hit the WTC were remote controlled and the real planes were diverted to Mossad/CIA air bases.
It might have been more obvious from debris that the planes were remote controlled and didn’t have passengers. The pulverization of the WTC Towers helped to cover up that evidence.
Also, they were planning to demolish the WTC because of the asbestos problem floor by floor. Why not use a controlled demolition blamed on the planes as the easy way around that problem and save time and money?
Larry Silverstein & Co. made billions off the complete destruction of the WTC.
Answer to Mr. “Justice”:
God ordered Joshua son of Nun, to exterminate the pagans in Palestine because they were literally sacrificing their children to the devil.
It is a one time command, and does not apply to any other time or place.
God wanted to prevent the Hebrews from learning pagan devil worship and killing their children before the idols.
God wanted to keep them holy and prepare the society into which He will become man, in order to teach them the way of God and truth.
A word on “replacement theology.”
It is very simple to understand why the Church is the Israel of God, the Chosen People.
After Christ’s resurrection and ascension, Israel was divided between those who believed in Christ Yahweh, and those who did not.
Those who believed in the God Who spoke to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and gave the Law to Moses, are the true Israel.
They were prophesied to be called by a new name; this name is “Christians,” i.e. followers of Christ, the “anointed” ones of God.
Those who did not believe became the false Israel, the sons of their father the devil (John 8:44), the dogs (Philippians 3:3), the Synagogue of Satan (Revelation 2:9 and 3:9).
Israel then grew by conversion into the God of Israel, through Faith and baptism into Christ.
Kalif, had all the crews of all the three hijacked aircraft (headed for WTC 1,2,7) wrested control of their aircraft from the small aircraft remotely controlling them then there would have been no need to shoot any of them down. Would there ?
WTC bldgs would have been quietly left with the demolition charges in position, and the conspirators would have made another attempt a few weeks later after rectifying why the pilots were able to regain control.
The Pentagon was another matter as it had no demolition charges preplanted, and had the crew of Flt77 heading for it regained control but the crews of the other three planes failed in regaining control, then the conspirators would likely have left it at that, as they would have got their wars rolling against Afghanistan and Iraq with the three towers ostensibly demolished by the aircraft crashing into them.
@ Jarrad
March 14, 2011 @ 10:35 am
“Br. Nate,
I urge you as one Christian to another, find it within yourself to ease up on Obama.
“For a black man to be the president of the United States in the first place – I will reiterate again – is the single defining moment in US history.”
—
My answer to you is “NO!” Being Black is not an accomplishment.
You’re an enabler. You are the type that goes for the BS! “Stop hating! He/She’s our first openly homosexual (fill in the blank).”
You are a liberal tool. A tool for Jewish domination.
@ VOX,
Do you consider the descendants of Ishmael to be Hebrew, through their father Abraham?
@ Craig Pepe:
Good message, people are hearing it.
@ Andrew Jackson:
Well said, good posts.
@Jeannon Kralj
Good posts, any light that can be shed on the importance of orthodoxy is vital for unity.
@ Friedrich:
The question you raise is answered through faith by the Holy Spirit.
Also, yes please may we be prudent with our postings and use discretion. Once again, follow the Spirit and you can discern.
But PLEASE EVERYONE do NOT LET FEAR keep you from professing the truth. And if fear keeps you from mailing $$ to Bro Nate, then send it US postal service. PLEASE help this man in his good works.
@ All:
Without a firm understanding of the Gospel of Jesus Christ we are wasting our time. First Christ then everything else falls into place, with faith and devotion.
@ Bro Nate @ michael mazur
“I shared with them, a group of about 8, my conversion to Orthodox Christianity from Judaism, and mentioned that the Jew-owned press is out to destroy Christianity and only print the news that’s GOOD FOR THE JEWS…And, that’s why they never write about 9/11 being an inside job.
Well, when I said, “9/11 being an inside job,” they ALL became very upset an DEMANDED an explanation.
I told them that THERMATE was found in the air after the tragedy, and that THERMATE is the chemical used in INTERIOR DEMOLITION DEVICES.
One of the women there who worked for the federal government opened the front door and started screaming, “YOU ARE A LUNATIC! GET OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW!”
Then the entire group, (except for the man and wife who invited me over who are part of the Real Zionist News family – who were hoping I would obtain some financial benefactors from the group who were visiting from Houston TX), ALL GOT UP from their seats and couch, and WALKED OUT THE DOOR into their car, SNUBBING ME and REPUDIATING ME.
WHAT CAN I SAY?” – Bro Nate
Again, like I have told others, welcome to my nightmare Bro Nate. In 18 years, I have been called every name in the book, threaten physically, even a motion of spitting at me, my way, but never spat at.
I think you can say, “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, then Goyim to hear and accept the truth about Zionist Jews.”
I told you most of those “sheeple” you were dealing with are BRAINWASHED from womb to tomb. That the Jew, or Zionist is off limits, and it is TABOO to even mention the obvious: they are loyal to Israel, not their indigenous host countries.
If you persisted you most likely would of been physically threaten, or threaten with police, or some legal action, at that event?
I have told you, Joe and the others on here, it will take a cataclysmic event, where the Zionist is caught red-handed. And even then, you will need a miracle from God to open the Sheeples’ eyes.
There is a reason the authors of the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion refers to Gentiles as cattle. You have just witnessed it first hand, Bro Nate.
Revelations talks about this great deception: where good is seen as evil, and pure evil (Zionist Jews) is seen as good.
Baptist are the worst by far, don’t even waste your time with them.
@ michael mazur
Mike, there is no way a horizontal structure, especially that great height, can come down symmetrically in a pancake pattern without demolitions being applied symmetrically even across the structure so all areas of the rectangle are weaken simultaneously.
It is IMPOSSIBLE by dynamics and the laws of physics. Any first year civil engineer will tell you this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i06RAC6YprI
Plus, Israel has had a log and dirty history of FALSE FLAGS: King David Hotel, Levon Affair, USS Liberty attack, just to name a few.
DWC
@ Vox @ Jarrad
Jarrad, I have to go with Vox on this one.
First off, Obama is not Black — he is a mulatto and it is not the same.
He sees himself behind the facade as a liberal Jewish socialist, not an urban Black man.
Where is his civil rights concern for the “Brown” (like him) Palestinian?
It doesn’t exist, because as Bro Nate stated, he is a Zionist Jew puppet, as was Bush Junior prior to him.
One White Jew puppets steps aside for a Black (well technically a mulatto) one.
This is reality. Unlike Bobby Kennedy, Obama could care less for the urban poor and desolate.
He is a shrewd ruse put up there on a pedestal by George Soros and made a rock star by the Zionist Jew media.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCQMTdf7mEY
DWC
@ Jarrad
And also: Make the case for why he deserves a break?
Has he served anyone other than the Jews? Has he shown leadership?
Look at the BP and the Gulf Oil Spill. Like Bush he threw Americans in to the death pit.
He’s a piece of ……. and will burn in the pits of hell. He’s a Judas. Christ is in the Gulf and your Judas sold Christ out to the Pharisees.
If you want a break for him then you need to find a Zionist channel to tune in to.
Take it easy everyone, calm down, you all don’t have to worry anymore, its way to late to do anything about it.
There is a huge surplus of Twinkies and the televisions are still working, so whats the problem?
Brother Nathanael,
Keep fighting the good fight. The “bovine morons” as the witty and humorous Joe Cortina calls them called the Bapt-duhs are so brainwashed that they’ve forgotten Church history (if they know any at all).
I supposed William of Norwich was just a “misunderstanding,” and all the countless other martyrs.
I got the same reaction recently on the Neo-Cons being a perversion of conservatism and 9/11 being an inside job.
I just tell people about truth sites with information the establishment won’t give them and tell them to make their own minds up. Most people don’t realize that systems and organizations as well as ideologies are just fences built up to enslave man’s temporal existence.
Wake up humanity! These ideologies are chicanery. Become an ideological atheist, and only value a connection with God sans the religiosity of all these organizations coupled with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Freedom first!
Craig Pepe
Regarding your comment about doing things for each other for free. Nothing in life is free. If you have something of use that you and others can use, then someone did either physical or mental labor to produce it. Therefore, it is not free. I want to say that I am halfway through Ellen Brown’s book, “The Web of Debt.”
The more I know about the effects that any form of medium of exchange has on the mind of man, the more I am convinced that God is going to destroy it one way or another.
Then we will all do our own individual labor in the various chains of production and distribution to produce the goods and services that we collectively as a human race need. And we will all share in them.
For those who do not want to do their share of the labor that they are capable of, then they will just have to get to the back of the line and scrounge for whatever the rest of us who are willing to do our share of the labor don’t want. And this will include the Jews.
The blinders must be on extremely tight in my family and the very few friends I have (thanks to MCS).
While I didn’t talk about the Jews, I certainly sent enough info and talked enough about an upcoming global government.
I also mentioned there was a reason, our government is NOT securing its borders or enforcing our immigration laws and that reason would be the NAU (N. AMERICAN UNION) plan to merge Canada, the USA and Mexico together.
The SPP (Security-Prosperity Partnership) closely mirrors the NAU and RECONQUISTA-AZTLAN (the plan to reclaim the former Mexican territory from CA to CO-TX) is piggybacked onto the NAU-SPP…The E.U. (European Union) was first, we’re next.
Unfortunately though, I haven’t gotten through to them yet. I’m still trying though.
I also make the argument about NAPOLITANO having people undergo the degrading CHERTOFF-Rapiscan strip-search machines and molestation groping, and that NAPOLITANO praises the DREAM ACT and ILLEGAL ALIEN Students.
She allowed the Undie Bomber on a plan without a passport and she also allows our borders to remain WIDE-OPEN SIEVES and refuses to enforce our immigration laws.
I’ve passed on the website of NUMBERS USA quite a few times by now, but they don’t seem to be bothered by this.
Well, I’ll still try. At least I can look in the mirror and say I tried.
@Christian
There will never be a Join of Orthodoxy with Antichristian Papacy, then we Orthodox People (outside the ecumenism) see our enemy in heresy of Papacy, the enemy of God. Catholics are worst than Arius who degraded the Son as a Creature.
Papacy degrades not only the Son as a Creature but also the Father. Papacy is the real enemy of the human race.
Right now AT&T is introducing Usage Based Billing for you Americans.
In Canada the debate rages on. And corporate greed.
It would cripple the average user, so no more Youtube, no more news, no more blogging, no more anything good stuff from online.
In loose translation, every byte would be metered. From dial up to high speed.
Even checking your email would cost you an arm and leg. They would bill the number of computers connected to the internet.
This is no horror story. It’s real.
Warn your friend, fight the internet usage based billing. Say no metering the internet.
Imagine in Canada that you were allotted 30Gb 15GB up/15GB down. Go over the limit you pay 6.00 for a Gig.
Now imagine Internet Usage based billing. And how much it would cost you. Let’s say you want to check your email. It will cost you.
Despite how many times big corporations spin their lies, you’ll be charge every single byte you are using.
You’ll be charged for using your own computer. And the number of PC’s connected to the internet.
100 books online in full text about the global crime network known as the Jews.
My blog have three main pages. Go to bottom of page and click Older Entries.
This is NOT links to sites where you can buy the book. All books are here in full text.
https://jewise.wordpress.com/
DWC, you will have to s l o w d o w n.
Reread what I wrote and it is very clear that I know that planes crashing into WTC bldgs 1 & 2 had no effect on the continued stability of those buildings.
‘ALERT: Patriot Raided by SWAT Under Patriot Act’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foG-J2Tdg9
Dr. Alan Sabrosky Traitors in our Government Allegiance to Israel 3-15-2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpdg-WDOPVA&NR=1
…
Zionist Racist Rachel Maddow and Rand Paul :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxy3tOludzE&feature=related
@ arjan
Why don’t you go back to this church again and have a chat with your priest; tell him about +Brother Nathanael and RZN?
Or just send him a letter.
Many people are still simply unaware yet.
I wasn’t aware until… I accidentally stumbled across this site 🙂
Although some comments may “hurt,” such as:
“Catholics are worst than Arius who degraded the Son as a Creature,” but not as bad as sticks and stones.
We can endure it.
Christ’s suffering was a lot worse.
Dear Brother Nathanael,
It occurs to me as I think upon it, that maybe the reason you don’t know what to think anymore is because you just experienced REAL ANTISEMITISM.
You would NEVER have experienced such rude treatment if you, instead of being Br. Nathanael Kapner, were Lord Whitebread from Douchebag Hall. Sure, they still would have been in disbelief, but their social conditioning would have made them much more polite.
Irony of ironies, surely a mind-bending paradox, the Israel-first, Support Our Brave-men-and-women-in-uniform crowd are openly treating you as a “dirty Jew,” while no doubt accusing you of anti-Semitism for your views.
Because its really all about White supremacy, this whole war against the ‘towel-heads’. The State of Israel is made for Western interests. ‘Jews’ are only useful insofar as they act as poster children for whatever London wants. The same goes for Jesus.
Brother Nathaniel, I have a question…
In your opinion, is the Old Testament riddled with propaganda wherever possible? For example, the writers of the Pentateuch (supposedly Moses, but I doubt it) certainly spun the events of that time in a way to assure the Tribal claims to Chosen-ness, coupled with basically blaming God for their killings, lusts and perversions.
If Moses was so Holy in God’s eye, how to explain the commands of Moses to slay all but the young virgins, and to take them for slaves (sexual). Moses ordering the killing of his wife’s kin is another. Hard to reconcile if you see Moses as God’s voice, especially as Jesus would hardly condone such insanity.
Your opinions please. Thank you.
Here’s an inherit problem with outing the Jewish agenda:
As I’ve heard the masses called and I like this nickname “the Kwans” as in “AmeriKwans,” the kwans, upon hearing you naming names, have been trained to immediately begin framing you as a White supremacist or Neo-Nazi.
The “Nazis” — or more correctly Germans — lost WWII so their legacy is chained to failure. Nazis were failures so is your agenda is what the Kwan has been trained to believe. You can tell them that the Holocaust™ numbers don’t add up and the Kwan will immediately (again from training) begin to go on the offensive, hurling insults, lies and labels at you.
The next step is to partner you with Iran and anyone else they have been trained to associate as being a threat to Jews and Israel. The training is so complete in these Kwans that may even take you to the next level and involve some type of fascist police entity in seeking out reprogramming for you.
The Kwan is a very dangerous enemy. They will not let anyone get between them and their supply of big screen Talmudvision, Fox propaganda, pro-sports, beer and fatty fried foods.
Also: Here’s a comparison – Gilbert Godfried, the voice of the Aflac Duck, was fired yesterday for his tasteless Japanese disaster jokes.
Any word about in the media, No! Why? Because Godfried is a Jew.
Jews just make mistakes from time to time whereas Gentiles commit grievous and unforgivable sins against God’s “Chosen” people.
Augustine
I have read on other Web Sites that the Old Testament is indeed filled with half-truths and propaganda.
Many Israeli archaeologists have said the same thing. I saw a Youtube some months back where an Israeli woman archaeologist said that the cities that Joshua supposedly destroyed just fell into ruin along with their populations over several hundred years.
I wonder if the lead Jews did to these cities what they are doing to the USA today? But they completely destroyed these ancient cities.
And I still can’t understand why the Old Testament doesn’t name the Pharaoh that Moses apparently tangled with nor why the Egyptian hieroglyphs don’t mention this supposedly monumental moment in Egyptian history involving one of their Pharaohs.
Also, a man with the LaRouche movement told me several years ago that it is believed the story of Genesis of the creation comes from the Babylonians and not from the Jews. Personally, I believe that there are a lot of Jew cattle doing the bidding of their Jewish elite. But these Jew cattle will never see the light.
Anyway, I am sure Brother Nathanael can shed a lot more light on this subject than I can.
There are many fundamentally important topics that Brother Nathaniel has been asked to expound upon and explain in these comments.
I hope he does so because I see the potential for great error, and just the kind of error, or wrong path, that the Jews of the Jewish revolutionary spirit would love to see us follow.
I personally would suggest going to lay Roman Catholic apologist Dr. Robert Sungenis’ site, CatholicIntl.com, and reading his many free articles there before everyone decides that the Old Testament is some subversive Jews’ propaganda vehicle and not the inspired Word of God sacred scriptures under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
If the Old Testament is to be thrown out then isn’t it logical to just discount and throw out the New Testament as well as not being the inspired word of God. I see a huge potential set-up here. Beware Christians!
I personally have heard of very many archeological discoveries verifying every major story of the Old Testament and more are being found every day.
From Answers in Genesis Ministries:
“Why do we need the “Old” Testament?
Scripture is divided into two main sections: the Old Testament and the New Testament—but if we have a “new” one, why do we need the “old” one?
The Old Testament is full of rich (and 100 percent reliable) history and is the only true foundation for understanding the world around us. But God’s Word is far more than a history textbook. It’s packed with thousands of vibrant accounts about real people—their failures and successes, disobedience and faithfulness, intense physical and spiritual warfare, and countless choices for good or evil.
The apostle Paul warned the Corinthian believers to remember and learn how the Israelites were judged for their idolatry, since “all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition” (1 Corinthians 10:11). In the same way, we should study and learn from the lives of those in the Old Testament.
God inspired the writers of the Old Testament, and He guided and orchestrated the events recorded therein—with His people in mind. Every detail God chose to include in Scripture is important, and all of it fits perfectly together to tell the awesome truth of God’s plan to accomplish His marvelous salvation through Christ for fallen humanity.
Today’s passage tells us that from a young age, Timothy knew “the Holy Scriptures,” which were capable of making him wise for salvation. At the time Paul wrote this letter to his young protégé, the Holy Scriptures consisted primarily of the books of the Old Testament, which provide us with the historical foundation of the Gospel message expounded in the New Testament (Romans 15:4).
As we have discussed in the past several devotionals, Scripture has one consistent message and one central theme. From the first chapters of Genesis, we read of how God created a perfect world but man sinned, which brought a consequence of death—so a Deliverer was promised, the Seed (i.e., offspring) of the woman (Genesis 3:15). This promised Messiah is anticipated throughout the Old Testament and fulfilled in the New Testament in the person of Jesus Christ, who died in our place so that we could be saved.
It is crucial for Christians to seek to understand and declare “the whole counsel of God” (Acts 20:27) because “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God,” and is profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction of righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
In order to effectively reach the world with the message of Scripture, we need to diligently study and strive to live out the truth of God’s Word—all of it!
Today’s big idea: all Scripture is relevant and necessary for us today.”
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2010/08/16/we-need-old-testament
Must See Video!
“Zionist rule Hungary 0001 ”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLfOW_LJGN8&feature=related
“Have you not read the scriptures?” Jesus.
“In the last days men will not endure the true teachings but will heap up to themselves [fables that tickle their own fancy]…”
All of the above is of course derived from scripture….off the top of my head…ie from memory.
A lot of the New Testament is a repetition of things contained in the Old.
Also a lot of the Old Testament is a prophesying of a lot of things pertaining to Christ in the new.
No one should attempt to read the Scriptures unless they are seeking truth.
For one thing they will not understand the SEEMING contradictions contained therein, which can only be understood in the light of truth, ie the Holy Spirit.
For those still hanging on to:
“But but but… Jews have sad eyes…” or “But but but they look like Baby Jesus…” or “But but but…. they’re God’s Chosen people…” look at this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42078511/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/
These are the values Jews promote to YOUR family but within their own they would never permit a homosexual!
What Neues Europa (claimed third secret of Fatima) claimed, on October 15, 1963:
Was that a great punishment was coming to mankind and the punishment would involve a “big, big war” and that “fire and smoke will fall from the sky and the waters of the oceans will be turned to steam — hurling their foam towards the sky, and all that is standing will be overthrown.”
“Millions and more millions of men will lose their lives from one hour to the next, and those who remain living at that moment will envy those who are dead. There will be tribulation wherever the eye can see and misery over the earth and desolation in all countries.”
“Half of mankind, claimed the Neues Europa “secret,” would be killed in a matter of hours. It also said, “There will come a time of hardest trials for the Church. Cardinals will be against cardinals, and bishops against bishops. Satan will put himself in their midst.”
“In Rome, also, there will be big changes. What is rotten will fall, and what will fall must not be maintained. The Church will be darkened and the world plunged into confusion. The time of times is coming and the end of all ends.”
Vox your problem is you paint everyone of the same Jewish race with the same brush .
Are you denying God’s gift of freewill to every human being?
Sad how hatred and its racist manifestation blinds ….
Judge not lest you yourselves be judged.
@ oxymoron
And your problem is you think the Emperor’s New Clothes really are made of the finest silk and gold threads that can be found.
Fairytales exist for feeble minds like your own. Hate was programmed in to your responses for a reason. It is to keep you safe from threats.
When you see someone walking towards you in a threatening manner, let me guess you use the typical liberal response that they’re behaving this way because the White man has repressed them?
Liberalism is a FAILED religion handed down to you from the Jews. Smoke a bowl and move out!
Ignorance is Knowledge !
Our Time of Universal Deceit Needs An Orwell
http://www.opednews.com/populum/print_friendly.php?p=Our-Time-of-Universal-Dece-by-paul-craig-roberts-110314-949.html&c=a
Georgios does not speak for the Orthodox Church. It has NEVER proclaimed the papacy to be a heresy, not at all.
So what Church do you belong to Georgios?
If you tell me it is the Russian Orthodox, I will then repeat my former question which has not been answered yet: Is the Russian Orthodox Church STILL a state-run church, or does it have autonomy?
The future of Christ’s Church was foretold back in Genesis 3:15…”I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.”
“the woman” besides referring to the Virgin Mary also refers to the Catholic Church — and from the Beginning, God told us the devil and the Church would be forever in a battle… but that His Church would win out.
Russian Orthodoxy — controlled by the state? Or free to be Christian?
A State Controlled “church” will always be at odds with the Truth and True Church.
@ Georgios
Thank you for all of your comments, I have audited these comments for several years but never posted until recently.
I have gained priceless knowledge from the freely offered research articles that Bro Nate’s posted along with everyone elses’ links. Indeed your postings about orthodoxy have lead me to research the early Church history more closely and what I am discovering is making everything much clearer.
I was so ignorant of the Holy works that have continually been wrought by faithful Patriarchs and secluded monks, such as those at Mt. Athos. The history of the Russian Church and the devoutness of the Tsars is a mystery to the average American, and portrays a Russia that is vastly different from the one we were taught to fear during the “cold” war.
@ All
Thank you for your posts, even the ones, in my opinion, that are laden with vanity and hatred (I’m speaking in general, not just these comments here on this page, these have been, imo, fairly benign). It is best to get it out and not have it bottled up.
True Love is strong enough to bear and suffer weakness, and through It’s faith and belief in something better, weakness can be made strong again. Fear is replaced with valor, vanity with humility, and we are liberated through our ability to turn anger into compassion and hatred into pity.
May God continue to bless us through Jesus Christ and may we continue to grow in His perfect example of Grace and Truth, and through our mercy and forgiveness of others we will show ourselves worthy of His mercy and forgiveness. And may God Be With Ye in all you do.
Be positive, no matter what happens now, we have already won. It makes me think of the battle of New Orleans, fought after the war was over through treaty but the news didn’t make it there in time to stop the battle.
Christ claimed victory over death when He arose from the tomb and then later ascended into Heaven, to take His rightful place.
All this is the devil simply being a sore loser, he knows he lost but his pride damns him for eternity.
Ok vox where is the mention of Jew in the article you quoted?
Or are you simply blaming Jews for the way GENTILES think?
Again, as I stated, everyone has free will.
Its not your Jews that are the problem, even from your own quoted article, but the feeble (your description not mine) minded Gentiles.
“…Then we will all do our own individual labor in the various chains of production and distribution to produce the goods and services that we collectively as a human race need. And we will all share in them….”
Yeah that’s what I would like to see.
Dear Jeannon Kralj,
Two things I’d like to point out,
You say:
“I understand that the CORRECT translation from the Hebrew is…Thou shalt not MURDER.”
The first part is correct. The Greek says:
Ου φονεύσης, “Ou fonefsis,” which clearly means, “Thou shalt not murder.”
The second part, where you mention “From the “Hebrew,” suggests something very wrong:
That there is an authoritative Hebrew text off the OT. It does not exist. The authoritative Bible, both the Old and New Testaments, are written in Greek. The OT in the form of the Septuagint, and the NT in the original Greek. Secondly, may I point out, that in the Greek NT, wherever literal quotations of the OT are presented, they match exactly the Septuagint, and not any other source of the OT.
The second thing I would like to point out, in the spirit of making things clear for the future here is this:
Many of us here, are Orthodox Christian. That includes Br. Nathanael, my self and others.
This means, that while we may view our fellow brothers as children of God, as Christian in the courteous and very loose sense, we do NOT agree with all of what you say in regards to your claims about the Catholics.
You will have to know by now, that there are serious reasons, why an Orthodox may feel offended or even disgusted even at the mere mention of the word “Catholic”. In particular, to a Greek such as I, I have even more reasons to feel like that and even severely annoyed, at the mere mention of the word.
To make it absolutely clear, we Orthodox, do not accept the Catholic religious community as the authoritative church, nor the Pope as a Bishop of any kind. In addition, we have a HUGE body of concrete practical, doctrinal, theological and historical evidence and proof, that has been expressed for many many centuries, that many of the Catholic views and practices, are indeed, blatantly heretical.
That does not mean we hate you, but rather, that we recognize the immense gap that exists between the Orthodox and the Catholics. And this gap, cannot be filled, by any Catholic Pope or Orthodox Patriarch, without first correcting the mistakes.
The Great Schism which you mentioned in the comments section of the previous article, was between the Roman Church and the rest of the Churches. See the various records, if you do not believe me. The Romans decided to introduce heretical doctrine, more than once; and these were things that were completely newly introduced and some of them even agreed to be heretical in previous ecumenical councils.
Again, these are the mere tip of the iceberg of the body of evidence, readily available to anyone. Thus, the schismatic ones where the Roman Church and not all the other Churches. And very very sadly, they remain as such today, and indeed the schism, is widening, as the centuries progress.
So, when you mention or ask people to accept your presuppositions about the authority of the Roman religious community and your Pope, please know that here in this forum, there are people, including my self, who will NEVER accept this authority.
In addition, we will NEVER join the Roman Church, because of the immense and blatant heresies it has introduced. The only way any union is going to happen, is when your Church leaders repent humbly for their transgressions.
That is not to say that I consider you personally and most Catholics as bad people — far from it. But I do hate the heretical doctrine that resides in your religious community.
Therefore, please know, in the best possible way, that as an Orthodox, I reserve the right to express this view, which is not personal, I repeat. And not only to present a different view, but also to make sure that some obvious questions that may arise in the readers minds, have an answer available.
It may be best, that we all, stick to the matter at hand here, and the subject of this site. I have been in countless debates and arguments about this, and more often than not, they are fruitless.
Thus, it may be best to stay on comment, although I am in no way saying that you have no right to express anything you want. I am merely stating a practical way to go along.
But rest assured, unless Br. Nathanael asks me to stop, I will make sure that the Orthodox view is presented if I feel that what you say may be harmful. I believe in freedom of choice.
If you claim ultimate authority for your Pope, that automatically puts my Orthodox Church in a second rate position, as can be easily be reasoned by your claims. I sincerely disagree with that. Thus, please, allow me to present a contrary opinion, now and then.
In Christ Our Lord,
Stav
Dear Bro Nath,
911 was both an inside and outside job. Mossad and CIA, but mainly MOSSAD.
Dear Bro Nath,
911 was both an inside and outside job. Mossad and CIA but mainly MOSSAD.
Every one is saying it was an inside job. Why are they all afraid to say that it was mainly ISRAEL — MOSSAD?
“…Through our mercy and forgiveness of others we will show ourselves worthy of His mercy and forgiveness.”
Yeah, I find it’s getting harder, but yeah, amen.
I, human, imperfect. I see many that I feel are not worthy of forgiveness, many reprobate, much pearl-trampling swine working iniquities piled high to the heavens, who show no signs of stopping or being the least bit sorry for what they continue to do, who show no ability to even identify or recognize the evil and iniquity of their works.
I see people’s “jobs” becoming more important than right and wrong.
It has been this way for some time. As Satan controls the money, he is getting bolder with what he requires people to do to get paid, and many people will do almost anything to get paid, sadly.
But despite this, may God give me and all Christians the strength and wisdom to be as forgiving and merciful as possible so that I and other Christians can obtain forgiveness and mercy.
@ EvaneScence
800,000 Orthodox Serbians were killed by Catholic Fascist monsters, like Ante Pavelic, in ww2 with the blessing of satanic Pope, because they did not want to convert to Catholicism.
Some of the killers are spoken as Saints by the satanic Pope. Papacy is worst than Zionism.
@ georgios
That’s because the Papacy is run by Zionist Jews.
@ oxymoron
March 15, 2011 @ 1:15 pm
“Ok vox where is the mention of Jew in the article you quoted? Or are you simply blaming Jews for the way GENTILES think?”
The list of Jewish controlled media has been compiled many times and is available many places. The Jews are no longer even bashful that anyone knows.
They are proud of it and make sure that it is well known that THEY ARE BOSS AND ARE IN FULL CONTROL OF WHAT THE GOYIM ARE ALLOWED TO VIEW AND THINK!!
The president of NBC News is Neal Shapiro.
Jeff Zucker is NBC Universal Television Group president. Reporting directly to Zucker is his close friend Jonathan Wald, formerly an NBC program producer, now a senior consultant for CNBC.
David M. Zaslav is president of NBC Cable (and also a director of digital video firm TiVo Inc.). The president of MSNBC is Rick Kaplan.
All of these men are Jews.
Quote Brother Nathaniel Kapner December 2010
“And the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church – we’re in dialog. Our Patriarch Kirill of Moscow is in dialog and the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople is in dialog with the Pope and other bishops, so we’re working on reuniting with the Catholic Church.”
http://www.culturewars.com/Podcasts.html
Brother Nathanael Kapner on The Annual Nativity Scene Battle: Part 1, 2, 3, 4 (December 2010)
Quote found at last part of Part 4 download.
Dear Augustine –
First of all, you got some of your facts totally wrong.
Nowhere did the holy prophet Moses order that a wife’s kin be murdered NOR the taking of “virgins” of the nations for “sex slaves.”
The Old Testament AND the holy prophet Moses are AFFIRMED AS BEING INSPIRED by the Lord Jesus Christ Who said, “Search the Scriptures (OT) and you will see that it testifies of Me.”
And of Moses, Christ said to the Pharisees, “If you believe Moses as you say you do, then you would believe Me for he wrote of My coming.”
To understand the Old Testament as a book whose narrative dealt with a CULTURAL CONTEXT that is completely REMOVED from our own — REQUIRES an Orthodox Christian mind-set INFORMED by the Church Fathers’ INTERPRETATION of the Old Testament and how it prepared for and was superceded by the New Testament.
I suggest that you begin with St Ephraim’s and St John Chrysostom’s INTERPRETATION of the book of Genesis.
ALSO, St Cyril of Alexandria’s studies on “The Gospel of St Luke,” and St John Chrysostom’s Homilies on “The Gospel of St Matthew, BOTH delve into the Old Testament and HOW TO UNDERSTAND its cryptic writings.
+Brother Nathanael
Russian Orthodox Church
The reason that the buildings were brought down and that planes crashing into them were not enough, goes to unconscious mass manipulation a form of psychological operations.
In this case the total destruction of our archetypes of freedom, the Twin Towers, were needed to produce the most effective psy-ops imagery and maximum fear and loss of control.
This is also a technique of coercive persuasion technology to endear new cult members to the cult and cult leaders.
By these accounts the operation was a ‘smashing’ success, no pun intended. Also, the planes were remotely controlled, duh.
“# michael mazur March 15, 2011 @ 12:17 am
DWC, you will have to s l o w d o w n.
Reread what I wrote and it is very clear that I know that planes crashing into WTC bldgs 1 & 2 had no effect on the continued stability of those buildings.” – michael mazur
My bad Mike, for misreading you. I can’t believe idiots still believe two jetliners brought those structures down?
Actually three buildings: another building came down in a pancake that was not even struck by anything, even further suggesting demolition and explosives?
Bro Nate, or Joe Cortina can’t say I didn’t warn them, that the truth about Jews and Zionism would fall on deaf ears, and blindness, even to the most level headed and intelligent people. I have seen it for 18 years and it is worse now than ever!
One note on the Old Testament, remember, God did not experience the “human experience” yet, prior to Jesus.
It is one thing to look down upon children (your creation) from a mountain top, quite another to be eye level and with them, in the valley below.
Why there is a lot more rage, anger, and almost a contempt for something so evil as mankind in the Old Testament, which is not present in the New Testament.
The Divine finally has a human perspective?
Those who say the Old Testament lays the way for the New are 100% correct.
As the Jews use to slaughter the unblemished lamb as an atonement for sin in what they called Yom Kippur, their holiest day, a day of atonement, in October usually, 10th Day of Tishri.
In the New Testament, we have the unblemished “Lamb of God” — He who will take away all the sins of the world, through his sacrifice all wounds are healed.
“Who am I say You.” I (DWC) say, Jesus the Christ, the Messiah, the Anointed One, the Son of the Living God!
Through His actions: the gates of hell would open, allowing the trapped to be set free.
DWC
Jeannon Kralj
The way that I mean that the Old Testament is full of propaganda and half-truths is the way that I would describe the news media of today.
Sure there was a 911 but the facts surrounding it have been badly distorted. Certainly everything that is happening to this world has been reported on our news stations. But are we getting the truth to what is going on behind the scenes. My answer to that is no.
The money changers in the temple when Jesus threw them out were not exclusive to the Israelite people. They and their master banksters were international in scope. I think that these banksters and money changers had gotten control of the Israelites long before Jesus came.
I think that they may have gotten control of them in Egypt. The international news agencies have fabricated the news to warp our minds with the story of this holocaust which I don’t believe ever happened as well as the fabricated stories of 911.
This is what I meant about the Old Testament being full of half-truths and propaganda, not that these events didn’t happen. They probably did happen, but not the way the Old Testament says they did.
@oxymoron
Also, classic condemnation on your part!
This is NOT a site for promoting hate! This is a site for seeking JUSTICE from a group that claims its superiority and control over us!
We are gathering here to exchange information about Satan and how he is using Jews to destroy our culture, our beliefs and our way of life!
God did not condemn us to a life upon our knees! He gave us legs so that we could stand upright! Upright to demand justice upon Earth!
If we do not use our minds and conscience to expose those that commit sin against us then we too have committed sin.
You become an accessory to the sin committed against and you are obstructing God’s justice amongst mankind.
Someone like you frequently tries these mind games with people. You are afraid of losing your situation or your big screen talmudvision and the ability to watch your weekly talmudvision shows like “Making a Fool of the Goyim.”
So you cower to your masters! Afraid to make a squeak! Even a mouse shows more moral courage than you’re showing here.
Brother Nathanael,
I’d like to see you do a video on Freemasonry.
There is a blue lodge in your city and main lodge in your state which provides the system of control for the Jewish agenda. Most of these people are the white Goys and most are dupes to who their boss is.
They don’t get elected to Mayor or get 0% interest loans for business because they are smart and popular.
A way to wake up the cattle would be to point this out and how close it is to home. They have signs near or on every “welcome to your city” sign marking their territory.
Brother Nathanael:
You do indeed need to be careful.
Keep in mind that many Nazis were Jews and the Bolsheviks were almost all Jews.
You’ve created a portal to unite people. For this they will use all of their Nazi and Bolshevik tactics to stain and destroy you. Paint you as a lunatic that needs to be sent to the Gulag.
We all need to be cognizant of their tactics as they will begin deploying these now. They’ve only yet mildly used these tactics on 9/11 Truth.
Whenever someone calls in to one of these radio talk shows, the host — no matter who they are — always refers to the person as a “kook,” “nutcase,” or some other mental defective or that questioning the government or police or authority is “kooky” and “mentally ill.”
They’re ramping up their Bolshevik tactics. We need some rallying point and a leader. Otherwise they will win.
The state-controlled Russian Orthodox Church has always been at odds with Rome.
But it stands alone.
The other Orthodox Churches have made great strides in recent decades to close the gap caused by the Schism of 1054. The Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches are closer now than they have been in many, many centuries.
But the state-controlled Russian Orthodox church sees Rome, the papacy and the Chair of Peter as a threat.
Just remember, “they will know we are Christians by our love”… not our genetics.
VETERANS TODAY: CONGRESS, AIPAC-ISRAEL AND 9/11
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/03/15/gordon-duff-congress-aipac-israel-and-911/
Dear America The Beautiful –
You are quite in error regarding the Russian Orthodox Church being “state controlled.”
The Byzantine tradition of “symphony between Church & State” holds true in Putin’s Russia.
You see, Vladimir Putin sponsored a certain Bishop Mark Golovkov of Yegoryevsk to be the next Patriarch after Alexy II had reposed in 2009.
Instead, the Russian Orthodox Church ELECTED Metropolitan Kirill of Smolensk as the next Patriarch, IGNORING Putin’s wishes.
If the Russian Orthodox Church was “state-controlled” as you state without any facts to back up your assertion, then indeed, Putin’s man would have easily become patriarch.
BUT, that did not happen. The CHURCH decided APART from Putin’s wishes.
+Brother Nathanael
Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (ROCOR)
Vox, I’m not the one who has trouble coming to terms with Jewry.
I’ve been around Jews all my life.
I have never kowtowed to anyone.
Also I have respect enough for non-Jews to know that their inner voice…the voice of God is greater than the voice of the mass media…if they will only listen to it.
You blame Jews for the shortcomings of non-Jews. That’s your prerogative and I understand the reason for it.
Have you heard of Gentile crime, vox?
I’m in favour of outing crime – Jewish and other. Someone above mentioned freemasons.
But if you can’t face real life please don’t whinge anonymously on a public forum, pretending you’re courageous for doing so, and calling me a coward for pointing out the essential flaw in your argument.
Br Nathanael walks the walk…vox talks the talk.
Take heart, Brother Nathanael,
You are not alone…and our numbers are growing. Relax. Take some time off this Lent.
The tradition of giving up something in the liturgical season of Lent might mean for you, just the opposite. Taking a break from anything ‘Real Zionist News’, even if it is just for one day.
Surf the internet for signs of the new awareness that is already here and growing. A new day is truly dawning amidst the insanity of the demonic old ways.
For example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLjKvnI7cd8&feature=player_embedded
In this Youtube link on March 13 2011 of Ohio House Representative Dennis Kucinich speaking at the workers’ rights rally in Madison, you will find among other things an impassioned echo of Ron Paul and yourself for the abolition of the (non)federal (no)reserve system.
‘Sanctify oneself and you will sanctify society.’—Saint Francis of Assisi
@America the Beautiful
I belong to the ONE and UNDIVIDABLE Holy Catholic and Apostolic CHURCH OF CHRIST founded on HIM.
And this is my Creed: (translation by me from Greek)
I believe in one God, Father Pantocrator, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible; And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-Begotten, begotten of the Father before all eons, Light of Light, True God from True God, begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father; by Whom all things were made.
Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and was made man;
And crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and buried;
Arosen again at the third day, according to the Scriptures;
And ascended into heavens, sitting at the right of the Father;
Coming again with glory to judge the living and the dead;
In whose Kingdom there is no end.
And (I believe) in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, proceeding from the Father;
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified, Who spoke through the prophets.
And (I believe) in One Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sin.
I expect (the) Resurrection of the dead and (the) Life of the future Eon. Amen.
America the Beautiful, the Holy Spirit spoke through the Church Fathers in the Seven Holy and Apostolic Councils. All Christians from east to west ACCEPTED these Councils, even the Pope. Why now does the Pope and his followers DENY these Councils?
(continue)
Did these Councils were NOT inspired by the Holy Spirit? If yes you have to follow them, If you say no, then this is a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and this sin is the only sin God does never forgive!
After the 7th Ecumenical Coumcil all Christian accepted that the Faith was sealed for ever. Every Neoterism since then is a dictate of the devil.
If you add new dogmas like the Pope does, you speak the faith of the Church Fathers (who are valid for the whole Christianity) as incomplete. But they said that the Faith was sealed after the 7th Council.
You can not add, alter or subtract anything from the sealed Faith of the Church of Christ. Even to think to do it, then you have already denied the faith of Christ, then you are already fallen in the endless Anathema, which means, separation from God.
The devil just thought to put his place besides the Father (the place reserved for His Son) and AUTOMATICALLY became from an Angel to a Demon.
@ Dear Christian
Please, read the first Church Fathers, they are valid for the whole Christianity. In that time there was not schism between east and west. Please read about the Hoy and Apostolic Councils, read about the ascetism of great fathers like Athanasius the Great, Antonius the Great, Basilius the Great, to mention a few. I am happy you have a heart on which the seed of Christ’s Logos will make fruits. Then you are humble and God LOVES the humble ones.
In Christ’s Love
Georgios
Occupy Washington to End the Wars
by Nicholas Kramer, March 16, 2011
http://original.antiwar.com/nkramer/2011/03/15/occupy-washington/
The reasons that AIPAC & Co-religionists can so effectively strong arm both the exective and legislative branches of the United States government are mainly financial.
First of course, these people would likely never have been elected in the first place if it were not for the Big Money contributions.
Also, even in moments when these officials sincerely try to think in terms of what is best for the United States citizens, they may find themselves between a rock and a hard place.
Certainly they realize that AIPAC could bring them down individually.
They may also have reasons to believe – rightly or wrongly – that AIPAC & Co-religionists could economically crush the United States at will if sufficiently crossed.
The Federal Reserve by itself has enormous power over us, including the impossible-to-pay debts by which it has fraudulently enslaved us.
That is why I have been focusing many of my comments on financial activism and the study of our monetary system.
Donna chestergimli,
When you reach the Afterword of Ellen Brown’s book, Web of Debt, you will see a section labeled Credit Relief for the States: The Minnesota Transportation Act.
Ms. Brown notes here that “there is no rule against a state owning or chartering a bank that creates money with accounting entries on the usual fractional-reserve model.”
So she had no negative comments about Byron Dale’s plan by which “state-chartered banks would create an Asset Monetization Account that would monetize the bid value of projects, turning them into money.”
(One of the many benefits of this action would have been the creation of some non-debt-based money.)
Of course, many Americans don’t realize that MOST OF OUR MONEY IS CREATED “OUT OF THIN AIR” BY BANKS SIMPLY MAKING ACCOUNTING ENTRIES. And unfortunately this is usurious debt-based money which carries a requirement of interest payments to internationally controlled banks.
Apparently most Minnesota legislators don’t understand contemporary money creation either. They rejected Dale’s proposal, saying, “Our banks don’t create money.” However careful study, starting with the populist writings of Byron Dale, shows BANKS DO CREATE MONEY all the time.
Everyone,
Even most “brain dead” Americans are smart enough to know that our economy is in trouble. And many are looking for solutions, as in Tea Party activists.
Many of these people are looking to Ron Paul, who in turn is looking to the Austrian school of economics, which is basically another Jewish think tank.
Are Jews the only ones smart enough explain our economy?
That is why I am interested in studying the thoughts of people like Ellen Brown, Bill Still and Byron Dale.
“It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.”
**The Whole Jew PC-Crap Explained Easy – by Hoff**
-ls it good for Goyim? How do we Jews destroy it?
This is the basic for everything the Jews do. Take anything out of Frankfurter School and look at it from the Jews point. Take anything out of the Jew fraud Communism and Zionism and look at it from the Jews point and that it’s all about the Jews taking control of every nation on earth – and destroy all nations in the world.
To get stupid non-Jews to help the Jews they lied about everything. Take anything in Communism and it really means the opposite – every time – no exceptions.
The Communist Jews say they want peace on earth. Sounds good don’t it? And what do and did the Jews do? The Jews have started every single major war the last 200 years.
**Every single issue the Jews promotes is bad for us non-Jews – no exception.**
@ oxymoron
You know nothing of me, my tribulations, the battles I have fought.
So what, you know some liberal feminist Jews.
Some bored middle aged Jewish princess housewives, hiding their graying wiry hair with dyes that make their hair even more frizzy, they have their upper lip waxed weekly to remove their moustache, they hide their ever growing nose with thicker and thicker coats of pancake.
Their husband is management or above at a local company, that berates its employees while she sits at home and takes on a typical destructive anti-Gentile cause.
You’ve gone to their rallies to promote “special rights” for homosexuals or abortion and now you think they’re “good people” or “good Jews” as a result. You were just a shabbos Goy to them.
Kmarie
I wholeheartedly agree with Ellen Brown’s advocacy of state owned banks. She mentions in her book about Steven Zarlenga and the American Monetary Institute. Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio has been to many of their conferences in September in Chicago.
They also support the work of Maj. Clifford Hugh Douglas of Scotland of the early 20th century with the social credit system. This was being loudly proclaimed during the depression of the 30’s. I have read that the bankers bought in Keynes to counteract his plans. He had the answers as far as I am concerned.
Something must be done and I believe that people like them and ourselves on this site and other similar sites will have to take the lead. And the monetary system is the key to the religious system. The monetary system provides God’s people with sustenance.
Without a GOOD monetary system, people would become despondent and feel that God had abandoned them. So actually you are talking religion when you talk of the monetary system. I personally believe that any monetary system makes slaves of mankind and should be done away with completely — i.e., any medium of exchange. And I think that despite everything else, that is what will happen.
Georgios
Please let us know the things that the Pope’s have added as articles of faith that go against the first 7 councils. I would be greatly interested in finding out.
After all, the Jews and their master, Lucifer, have been after the church a long long time. Thank you so much.
Dear America the Beautiful,
I would suggest that you read Vlad Moss, a Russian Orthodox Christian from England, regarding the questions you have surrounding the degree of separation between the church and state in Russia.
http://www.romanitas.ru/eng/THE%20ORTHODOX%20CHURCH%20AT%20THE%20END%20OF%20THE%20MILLENIUM.htm
And also his website, which has many excellent books on related subjects:
http://www.orthodoxchristianbooks.com/about/
My opinion doesn’t really matter here, just the facts, and I would dearly like to understand them better. I hope you find this useful in your quest for knowledge and understanding.
But, more important than either knowledge, understanding, prophesy or any gifts of the Spirit is LOVE (agape). I frankly think that there is no definitive answer to the questions of the faith taken outside of love.
The best we can do is be diligent scholars of the Bible and the Church Fathers, history and theology, and even that will be meaningless without the gifts the Savior gives through love.
For those interested in the “money system,” I suggest attending or later obtaining DVDs / CDs of this conference.
The money system and banking system advocated by Brown and others may be fine, but it is necessary to go deeper into the underlying entire ECONOMIC system. Maybe you could speak up at the conference and tell about Brown’s ideas regarding non-debt based money.
Capitalism is the basic problem. Ron Paul is a libertarian and basically adheres to Austrian economics, which, as KMarie right says “is basically another Jewish think tank.”
Another buzz term of the Austrian School is “free markets” which ain’t free at all and are what have driven USA industries overseas and destroyed US economy. Underlying the “free markets” ideology is one world government and the destruction of the national sovereignty of every nation on earth.
http://culturewars.com/lectures.html
Culture Wars and the St. Joseph Foundation present:
The Current Economic Crisis and the Church
Usury: Cause and Effect
a one day symposium on Saturday, March 19, 2011
at the Marriott, 123 N St Joseph Street, South Bend, IN 46601
In December 1960, John Courtney Murray appeared on the cover of Time Magazine to announce a new understanding of what it meant “to be Catholic and American.” Part of that understanding entailed admitting that “the content of the natural law may change with time and circumstances.”
As proof, Time cited the Church’s position on usury. The problem of usury hasn’t gone away. In fact, once American Catholics accepted Time’s cultural terms of engagement, usury was destined to grow to the point where it has brought us today. Capitalism is state-sponsored usury. The Church cannot change the natural law.
After 50 years of increasingly “rapacious usury” it’s time to understand what has changed and what hasn’t. It’s time to understand how the world got into this mess and how we can get out of it by following the Principles we should have been following all along.
Speakers include E. Michael Jones, Garrick Small, David Wemhoff, Mahlon Miller, Anthony Santelli, Adrian Krieg, Jeffrey Langan, Mark Anderson and Captain X. Additionally, Rupert Ederer will deliver the keynote address, entitled Economics as if God Matters. The Conference’s moderator will be James G. Bruen.
Registration Fee: $50 (includes lunch)
Undecided? Read Mike Jones’ letter about the conference.
CDs of Culture Wars’ 2010 The End of Dialogue and the Beginning of Unity Conference are available for order
_
Here is great letter from Dr. E. Michael Jones…
A letter from E. Michael Jones
Dear Friend,
Sometimes I can’t believe my eyes. The looting was going on in broad daylight and it looked as if the only people aware of what was happening were cheering on the looters. Almost but not quite, Bob Herbert wrote an opinion piece in the New York Times bemoaning the fact that people across the world were being robbed of their savings to pay for the wretched excess of the financial geniuses who had crashed the economy in 2008:
While millions of ordinary Americans are struggling with unemployment and declining standards of living, the levers of real power have been all but completely commandeered by the financial and corporate elite. It doesn’t really matter what ordinary people want.
The wealthy call the tune, and the politicians dance. . . . When the game is rigged in your favor, you win. So despite the worst economic downturn since the Depression, the big corporations are sitting on mountains of cash, the stock markets are up and all is well among the plutocrats.
In his book Zombie Economics: How Dead Ideas Still Walk Among Us (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2010) John Quiggin writes that, “A crisis that had destroyed whole national economies, bankrupted millions, doubled the US employment rate, and threatened to bring down the entire financial system” became nothing more than “‘a transitory volatility blip in 2009’” in the capitalist press’s telling of the story.
Worse than that, the intellectual prostitutes who make up think-tank sponsored academe were telling us that the system that had failed miserably in 2008 was working for our benefit. Writing in the February issue of First Things magazine, Professor Robert T. Miller tells us that:
The capitalist system has done more — much more — to improve the material conditions of mankind than all the corporal works of mercy performed by all the Christian saints throughout the ages. For this reason a foundational attack on capitalism is an attack on the material well-being of the human race and especially an attack on the poor who have been most helped by capitalism.
Again, we need to remind ourselves that Professor Miller was writing this preposterous nonsense in 2011. And what were the capitalists who had done more to improve the material conditions of mankind (but most especially the poor) than all of the Christian saints combined doing in 2011?
Well, they were busy looting the world’s pension funds to make up for the deficits their reckless profiteering had caused.
In an article which appeared in the New York Times (January 20, 2011) right around the time that the February issue of First Things hit the news stands, we learn that, “Policymakers are working behind the scenes to come up with a way to let states declare bankruptcy and get out from under crushing debts, including the pensions they have promised to retired public workers.”
And who was behind this attempt to undermine the sacredness of private property and the enforceability of contracts? Why the capitalists, of course. Just about every writer proposing the looting of social security and state pension funds had connections to either the American Enterprise Institute or the Heritage foundation. The same was true of talking heads like Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum, who appeared on Fox News to egg on the looters; both men are employees of the American Enterprise Institute.
“Today,” according to Paul Craig Roberts, “Social Security revenues are being used to fund trillion dollar bailouts for Wall Street and to fund the Bush/Obama wars of aggression against Muslims. Having diverted Social Security revenues to war and Wall Street, [former Treasury Secretary Hank] Paulson says there is no alternative but to take the promised benefits away from those who have paid for them.”
Upon closer inspection it turns out that the proponents of looting pension funds have one thing in common. They are all proponents of capitalism, which is to say, they are firm believers in, as Professor Miller puts it, “the sacredness of private property and the enforceability of contracts.”
Beyond that, they all get their articles published in unabashedly capitalist magazines and/or draw their salaries from think tanks like the American Enterprise Institute, which derives its money from the looters who run private equity funds like the Carlyle Group and Kohl, Kravis and Roberts.
It should come as no surprise that the apologists for capitalism are behind the looting of pension funds around the world. Capitalism began as a form of looting. The looting expedition was known as the Reformation. Capitalism began in England with the theft of Church property.
I’m always struck by the disparity between the amount of money that gets spent on research and the meager results that money-driven research generates. Think for a moment of all of the information we have about financial markets, all of the newsletters that tell people how to invest, all of the professors of economics at all of the universities around the world, and all of the books and articles those people have written, and yet not one of them warned the financial world or anyone else about the catastrophe of 2008.
Now in retrospect those same people are trying to claim that everything is back to normal and that what happened was no big deal.
Why is this? You’ve heard of the guy who was looking for love in all the wrong places? Well, these guys are looking for truth in all the wrong places. Or maybe it would be more accurate to say that they’re not looking for truth at all, but rather just an easy way to make money out of nothing.
Whatever the case here, your search engine is not going to find what you’re looking for unless what you’re looking for is out there waiting to be found. No matter how much money is at your disposal you will never find a rock so big that God can’t lift it, or a square circle, or a market that goes up and never comes down.
I oftentimes wish I could send what I know about social engineering back to the neighborhoods that were being ethnically cleansed at the time. I don’t have to worry about that anymore. The looting known as capitalism that began with the theft of Church property during the Reformation in England and Germany is going on right before our eyes as the people who crashed the economy now try to loot social security to make us pay for their criminal behavior.
Consider the following for a moment. Suppose you could have attended a conference on social engineering that contained the information in The Slaughter of Cities before the ethnic cleansing and plundering of our cultural patrimony in places like Over the Rhein in Cincinnati and the South Side of Chicago had taken place? Would you have gone? Would your presence then have made a difference? We’ll never know because no one knew the real cause of what was happening at the time.
The same is not true now. The looting is going on before our eyes and we have the tools to understand capitalism’s roots in looting, government sponsored usury, and the destruction of the living wage. It’s all a matter of will on our part and whether we care enough to make a difference.
Please consider becoming a personal participant in our ongoing search for the truth by attending our Economics as if God Matters conference in South Bend at the Marriott Inn on March 19. It will be a unique opportunity to move the discussion forward and put economics on a sound philosophical basis after centuries of English ideology and bad physics.
Thanks again for your support,
E. Michael Jones
Brother Nathanael: “BUT, that did not happen. The CHURCH decided APART from Putin’s wishes”
Brother Nathanael, thank you for your response, I am relieved to hear that.
My only hope and assertion is that the Russian Orthodox continue to operate autonomously from the state theologically.
No doubt all Christians are called to honor any and all moral laws enacted by the state, that we know. If you say that the Russian Orthodox Church operates theologically independent of the state — I believe you, and am over-joyed!
Georgios,
You claim that the Holy Father is denying certain Counsels that took place, can you show me proof, not just your opinion.
Not only does Pope Benedict XVI NOT deny any early Church Counsels, he has recently written a book on the Early Church Fathers called, “The Fathers” and published in 2008.
Michael Kelley:
I appreciate your references, I will look into them — and I think that your emphasizing agape love as the link between all the Christian sects is exactly right.
May God bless all of you.
Dear America the Beautiful,
You say:
“You claim that the Holy Father is denying certain Counsels that took place, can you show me proof, not just your opinion.”
Your Pope, like his predecessors, denies the Creed, which was inspired by the Holy Spirit thus:
The original Nicene Creed, which is still used by the Orthodox, says:
“And in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father, who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified, who spake by the prophets.”
However, Catholics have added to this, the famous “filio que,” thus saying that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father AND the Son.
That is not a simple addition. It is Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which doctrinally and theologically gives rise to a different Theology and also eventually gave rise to the abominable idea of the immaculate conception which of course, as is the case wit blasphemous heresies, gives rise to yet even more heresy.
That change, is FACT. Thus, your Popes and “theologians” have all by succession gone against the Holy Spirit.
But, that’s not the whole story. Your own Pope has decreed that the Most Holy Blood of Christ (the wine), be given only to the priests. However, Jesus Christ, Himself, clearly states that it is FOR ALL. And that is in Scripture.
Thus, your Pope, has not only gone against the Councils, but Scripture and Jesus Christ Himself.
Apart from this, you should also know, that the Catholic religious community, has introduced several multitudes more practices and doctrinal changes into the Christian faith. It has thus made it self unrecognizable to even your fellow Catholics of the 12th, 13th, 14th etc. centuries, not only in the outwardly sense of the word, but also theologically and spiritually.
Did you know, that these Catholics of nearly 7, 8 or 9 hundred years ago, would find themselves more compatible, practically, spiritually and doctrinally with the Orthodox Church which has not changed, rather than their native Roman religious community? Have you asked your self why this is so?
Just a few more details on this: The Catholic Church has introduced outlandish and strange doctrines such as purgatory and the ridiculous idea of infallibility of the Pope, but also introduced practical changes such as the change in attire of the priests, the changes on how baptism, confession, fasting and a lot more is to be practiced.
And of course, it has established worldly things such as the Bank of Vatican, which to a Christian is not only laughable but also blasphemous in many respects.
Not to mention the practice of the Uniate “churches” which disguise themselves as Orthodox, only to kill, desecrate Orthodox Churches, attack and try to violently convert Orthodox people to Catholicism, EVEN TODAY. Yes, Catholic Priests go to your Pope and high standing Bishops, obtain their evil “blessing” and then proceed to change their attire, wear Orthodox looking rasa, perform liturgies in the Orthodox rites and lie about being Orthodox, when they are not.
For your Pope to accept these things as normal, and offer his blessings for such things, is a sign of a deeply disturbed, deeply wrong background.
As you can see the list of these is endless. The specific details are out there. All in all, the Catholic doctrine makers and those Catholics in power, have worked relentlessly to increase the Schism that started with only a few changes, but now, has become a whole bundle of heresies, changes, unfaithfulness, worldly spirit and blasphemy.
It is good that many of the Catholics here and elsewhere do not know much about this, because if they did, they would be guilty of the same sins committed by the people responsible for instating such things in a previously Holy church.
And while some actions are taken from the Orthodox side to unite the two churches, don’t be misled. There is going to be NO UNION, unless all of these blasphemous heresies are retracted and actions taken to resolve the awesome spiritual damage these have produced over the last 1000 years.
So in response to your statement:
“Not only does Pope Benedict XVI NOT deny any early Church Counsels, he has recently written a book on the Early Church Fathers called, “The Fathers” and published in 2008.”
It is irrelevant what books the Pope has written. It is irrelevant whether he called the Fathers, “Fathers”. What is totally relevant, is that by not resolving the multitudes of heresies practiced and believed in the Catholic religious community, he is at least, silently helping to proliferate them. And as such, he is guilty of the same sins. And today, as is the case with heresy, the spawning of new ones continues.
The latest ecological “awareness” displayed by your Pope, no doubt, will give rise to yet more blasphemy. And his statements on the Jews and them having their own paths to salvation is again a direct blasphemy against Christ and His words. And the downwards spiral continues.
Stav
@Dear Donna chestergimli
“The pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ Himself hidden under the veil of the flesh.
Does the pope speak? It is Jesus Christ who speaks. Does the pope accord a favour or pronounce an anathema? It is Jesus Christ who accords the favour or pronounces that anathema. So that when the pope speaks we have no business to examine.” – Pope ‘St.’ Pius X (interview quoted in the July 13, 1895 issue of “The Catholic National (Catholique Nationale)”, Paris, France, Benziger Brothers Publishing.).
“Therefore, … we teach and define as a divinely revealed dogma that when the Roman Pontiff speaks from his throne (ex cathedra), that is, when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church, he possesses … infallibility …
“Therefore, such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are of themselves, and not by the consent of the Church, irreformable. So then, should anyone … have the temerity to reject this definition of ours: let him be anathema.” – Papal ‘Ecumenical Council’ Vatican I, Decree of the Council (1870)
The audacious and blasphemous claims, such as above, constitute one reason (from hundreds) why no Christian can be associated with Roman Catholicism.
No Facts Wrong, Brother… the Midianites were the kin of his wife… look at these passages, and try not to be obtuse…
Exodus 34:16
Neither shall you take their daughters as wives for your sons; otherwise, when their daughters render their wanton worship to their gods, they will make your sons do the same.
Numbers 31:7
They waged war against the Midianites, as the LORD had commanded Moses, and killed every male among them.
Numbers 31:9
But the Israelites kept the women of the Midianites with their little ones as captives…
Numbers 31:17
Slay, therefore, every male child and every woman who has had intercourse with a man.
Numbers 31:18
But you may spare and keep for yourselves all girls who had no intercourse with a man.
What say you now, Brother Nathanael?
I am a former Jew and new to Christianity.
Can Brother and his readers explain why Christians are so supportive of Jews?
When I’ve expressed my concern about Jews and also Israel, Christians look very uncomfortable and tell me how much they admire the Jewish people.
Why are Christians so brainwashed?
I know that it has something to do with the Tribulation and the importance of Israel. But it’s more than that. They seem brainwashed — fearful of Jews.
Dear rochelleyork,
One thing you must absolutely know, is that there are different kinds of Christianity.
Some, which are most in the US and the rest of the English speaking world, are indeed fearful and obsessed with the Jews. The reason for this, probably comes down to certain specific people, but most such Christians, simply don’t know the origins of the Church and it’s traditions and even Scripture itself.
Others, on the other hand, such as the Orthodox Christians, not only not fear the Jews and are not obsessed with them, but are usually aware of the “plan” and reality.
I would humbly suggest, that you look into how the Christian Church came to be, and how it was preserved through out the centuries. The short answer of such an adventure, is Orthodox Christianity.
Read the relevant articles by Br. Nathanael, he had his journey and arrived to Orthodoxy.
Stav
@rochelleyork
March 16, 2011 @ 2:25 pm
I am a former Jew and new to Christianity.
Can Brother and his readers explain why Christians are so supportive of Jews?
When I’ve expressed my concern about Jews and also Israel, Christians look very uncomfortable and tell me how much they admire the Jewish people.”
Because they are SOOOOOO terrified that you will report back to the Tribe which means end of their job, their family, their home, their possessions.
IN short “these so called” Christians that you’re speaking with are not “true” Christians.
“Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for Thou art with me; Thy rod and Thy staff they comfort me.”
True Christians know not to fear the wrath of mortals. What you’re experiencing are Evangelicals. Psalm singing meat-puppets. They’ve lost their soul although claiming to have been “born again” they’ve only been “born” in to slavery.
@rochelleyork
” Why are Christians so brainwashed? ”
1. Certain popular branches of ‘Christianity’ are Zionist. Protestants put more emphasis on Old Testament, like its equal with NT, but it’s not because New Testament overrides many things, that they choose to overlook. One of these things is that Christians are the New Israel, and the Chosen by God to be with Him forever. They think Jesus was a Jew first, then Son of God…
2. Simple lack of education about their faith. Blindness.
2b. Wrong denomination, that puts material wealth as some sort of blessing. NOT.
3. Material wealth, materialism, that’s how Jews buy souls. Materialism is not a Christian thing, but stems from a typically Jewish lust for gold, power, etc.
Why? Because their king is king of this world, that is, satan, just like Christ said. Jews are of this world and their idols are in unison with their faith. Along, Jews worshiping themselves, idolatry as well.
Materialism makes people comfortable so that they do not question things not vital to their physical survival, such as, why are there so many Jews in seats of power.
4. Other sorts of brainwashing like Holocaust that preys on people’s natural feeling of compassion, and makes them think they themselves are guilty somehow.
And, the thing is, if a person does not ask questions beyond their immediate needs, they WILL be brainwashed by Jews, whether they like it, know it, or not.
Why? Because Jews on media too.
So, essentially they will become martyrs for Jews, defending ‘humanity’ if a society becomes divided, and will kill their own people for the Jews. Sick.
The Old Testament could be seen as a litany of Jewish misdeeds, if it was properly taught.
Instead, it is seen by protestant evangelicals (I refuse to capitalize them) as some kind of license for Israel to misbehave.
Blame Scofield and thousands of protestant preachers, who took the tribal thirty pieces of silver, both literally and figuratively.
Personally, I doubt Moses actually did what is said in the OT. If he did, Jesus would not have consulted with such a monster.
The scribes who wrote (and re-wrote) the scrolls of the OT definitely took their orders from the Kings and eventually, the Sadducees and Pharisees.
You can bet the words were twisted whenever possible to advance the tribal agenda.
The cross of Jesus is the centre of the Christian faith, and thus its remembrance in the Catholic and Orthodox Mass.
However the Catholic church has always taught that the length of time Christ suffered on the cross which merited our salvation and hence the most important event in the entire history of the world, was three hours.
After 2000 years and armies of scholars and theologians and saints they come up with this figure – from what?
Where does the Orthodox church stand on this issue?
Do they hold that Christ hung on the cross atoning for their sins for three hours?
This is central to the faith, to our contemplation of Christ’s sufferings, to our love of God, to our understanding of our salvation.
Where does it say in the gospel that Christ hung on the cross for three hours?
Is that an infallible doctrine?
Does the Orthodox church hold to it?
Did the early Church hold to this?
Christ hung, suffering unimaginably painfully on the cross for six hours, not three.
He was crucified at the third hour we are told in the Gospels quite plainly, and He died at the ninth hour. Look it up.
That is something for you to contemplate.
The SIX hours of agony on the cross by your Saviour, not three hours.
Only then can you begin to understand what your Saviour endured for your salvation.
It was not the Catholic Church which was able to read the Gospel on this score. One wonders what else they got wrong.
It was not the Orthodox church which was able to read the Gospel on this score.
It was the Seventh Day Adventist Church which alerted me quite matter of factly to this enormous and wonderful fact of our salvation; to be an almost unforgiveable error of both the Catholic and Orthodox and the many Protestant sects to get something so obvious, so wrong for so long.
No. they are not the true church. both Catholic and Orthodox. They are both deceived by Satan. Hence no miracles. No miracles of healing, no miracles of signs for conversions, except amongst the holy saints revered by both churches. these saints belonged to God, first and foremost. That was where their true loyalty lay, and to their brethren, both inside and outside their churches secondly. in other words they obeyed the Ten Commandments, in deed and not just in word; in actions not just thoughts. They walked the walk like true Christians ought.
Look them up, those Ten Commandments which the Jewish Talmudists are trying to obliterate from both Christian and Jewish consciousness, because they are of the devil and not God’s chosen people which they claim, and they are most frightened of them – the first of which Commands;-
I am the Lord Thy God. Thy shalt have no other gods before Me.
How that makes them squirm.
How they wish they can eradicate it.
US MILITARY KNOWS ISRAEL DID 911 MOSSAD OP !!! EVERYBODY KNOWS !!! SABROSKY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLTeQQsd_Bo
Fox Banned News 9-11 The Israeli Connection, Mossad, AIPAC, Art Students Spy Ring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k0e8_sff44
The Zionist Jews Who Were Caught Celebrating 911 Attacks As While Occuring Are Caught Confessing 911
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-XgR_tlLeg
“Operation Progress”
According Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Expert: “Strategical Diversion is a irreversible slow demoralization process which is called either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every individual that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, their country and their nation.
When the process is complete it is irreversible. The ideology of collectivism, new version of Marxism-Leninism – is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generations of students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of family, individualism, character, integrity, Christianity, patriotism or nation tradition, culture interest.
The result? The result you can see … the people who graduated in the 60′s, dropouts or half-baked progressive intellectuals, are now occupying the positions of mass media, and educational systems, corporate business power in the government and civil service. You are stuck with them. You can’t get through to them. They are contaminated.
They are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain ($$) pattern (including to Pavlov).
You cannot change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still can not change the basic perception and the logic of behavior.
The demoralization process in Western Civilisation is basically completed already for the last 25 years. Actually, it’s over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where not even Comrade Andropov (head Soviet KGB) and all his experts would even dream of such tremendous success. To exposure to true information about Irresponsibility, Socialism and Collectivisation does not matter anymore.
A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him, even if you shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures.,movies websites.… He will refuse to believe it…. That’s the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.”
Other tragedy is fact this information comes from Edward Griffin Interview with Yuri Bezmenov (ex-KGB) was made public in 1984!
Unethical European “political psychology scientists” (Kent, Comte, Hegel, Nietzsche, Marx, Durkheim, Gramsci, Adorno, Foucault etc.) developed highly unethical deceptive tools (social anomie – negative dialectics – Cultural Marxism – Aesopian double talk – Language as communication that convey an innocent meaning to outside but hold a concealed meaning to informed ) for psycho-political, understanding, manipulation, control and socially construct individuals into “politically correct’ one-dimensional man – cultural artifact.
This controlling of the change of our beliefs, attitudes and behavior (political correctness) it’s been going on for almost 50 years, ” Maharishi Mahesh-Yogi, the founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, used the term collective consciousness to describe how the combined sociological positivism of coherence in consciousness of a group of people-nation could have had implanted unethical influence-groupthink on the rest of society – World, to transcendent society in state of mass delusion based on one world viewpoints.
When society has been unconsciously indoctrinated into refusing to examine clear, raw, reality, truth and think for yourself.
The world at any time is only the sum total of what we the people conceive it to be. When they have unclear understandings, vague notions, incorrect conceptions, and false beliefs about themselves and others, the false “one world” belief follows accordingly.
What most of us think about reality is not what it is,…but only what we conceive it to be. Modern society applied the social sciences of collectivised decay! So these everywhere viewpoints (inTV) , trends and attitudes (are inside of music) are socially constructed ‘products’ and are NOT viewpoints of truth reality.
These ‘scientific’ methods when a collective is MORE important and has more validity than the individuals — this concept is unworkable for human beings. Free will is something that is necessary to impede by the ‘progressive behavior modification’ when free will is discouraged and dependence is encouraged.
In such an ‘Hegemonical Environment’ abuse of power is not only allowed, but it is encouraged by governing authority.” The goal of the application of these is complete, total despotic centralised control – totalitarianism. Hopefully the realization of this by responsible authorities doesn’t come too late.
Or potentiality ‘we the people’ have to reverse our present-day slide toward behaviorist oblivion – through a sudden evolution of consciousness – replacing ideologically conditioned pathogenic beliefs with wholesome beliefs”.
And why they always changed their names to confused!
They always changed their names into conspiratorial nickname of “mission-name” from Bauer to Rothschild in the 1700’s. Karl Marx was Mordechai, Leon Trotsky was Lev Davidovich Bronstein, Vladimir Lenin was Volodya Ulianov, Adolf Hitler was Alois Schicklgruber, Dr. Mengele was Yosef Mendelevich; Russian president Boris Yeltsin was Bow Elstein and his wife was the daughter of Joseph Stalin who is Iosif Vissarionovich Djugashvili.
German former PM Helmut Kohl who ‘miraculously’ united Germany real name is Henoch Cohn, Mikhail Gorbachev is Mikhail Kochba, Hungarian-American billionaire George Soros is György Schwartz, Cultural Marxist and formal Nazi musico-sociologist Theodor Adorno real name Theodor Wiesengrund, etc.
The Old Testament is not false.
It is indeed the word of God.
Jesus Christ quotes from it often.
There is a more updated current testament however.
It is called the New Testament.
Let me point out something to all of you:
These so called “conservative” talk show hosts – Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Hannity, Dr. Laura (gags me calling that tramp “doctor”)….. ALL they are peddling you is thinly veiled Bolshevism. Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin all were the worst of the worst of the worst Jews are and this is what is in control now.
Like the Bolshevik Revolution they claimed is “the Workers’ Party,” then when in power they let loose their MURDEROUS Jewish Bolshevism on the mainly Christian Russians. This IS what is being unleashed here. An American version of the Bolshevik Revolution.
The main stalling point why it hasn’t been out and out warfare yet is A) Americans have never had a full fledged war on their soil against foreigners B) Americans are heavily armed C) Many Americans still have staunchly Christian, Small Town value systems.
These three things are major barriers to the Jew. They have not whittled away the generations from WWII that could still lead resistance against them. Now as far as the Baby Boomers go – Jews got them right in their vest pocket right down to the reprehensible lack of morals, self-servingness, selfishness — everything a Jew admires in a Goyim.
The X-Gens and Nexgens they’re still incubating. The Jew has them dumbed-down to a lowest common denominator, has them worshiping homosexuals, deviants, the worst of Black culture — BUT Ooops! Something the Jew didn’t count on, they’re lazier than dirt.
The Jew has some work to do as he knows they’re too lazy to become cannon fodder. Mostly it’s still keeping the races at each other’s throats and pummeling Americans with porn and overeating that’s gotten the Jew this far.
He doesn’t have long before the X-Gens will drop all their civil rights and (maybe) take up arms (because they can’t find a job, living in a box, 10000s of dollars in debt (and taught debt is sinful)) against other Americans in the coming Bolshevik Revolution Part II.
Re: holly squirrel quoting KGB expert:
“…Change the perception of reality of every individual that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, their country and their nation.”..
And we could add – their faith.
This is the purpose of watering down the Christian faith where the devil is not able to eradicate it, such as at Vatican II.
But what more obvious way to water down the Christian faith than to change the length of time Jesus spent on the cross, the central tenet of the faith from 6 hours to three?
Here we see the devil at work, but also the Holy Spirit as well, since the Holy Gospels were not able to be changed so dramatically, despite the devil wishing to and despite modernist efforts current and ongoing.
Thus we see in any good Bible:
“Now it was the third hour that they crucified Him.” – Mark 16: 25.
“And at the six hour darkness fell over the whole earth until the ninth hour. and at the nine hour Jesus cried with a loud voice “Eloi Eloi,lamar sabachthani.” which translated is “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me?”
But Jesus uttered a loud cry and expired. And the curtain of the sanctuary was rent in twain.” – Mark 16 33-38
True Christians are not brainwashed by Jews
The rich high profile well paid “Christians” so caught up in and entangled and tied into the world, are the ones that defend Jews, they don’t seem to realize that Jews reject Jesus Christ.
Or if they do realize it, they think that somehow it is not really important, and will engage in dialogue with them totally ignoring their rejection of Jesus Christ.
Very, very odd.
When the Jews first go into a country – What is the FIRST THING they always want to control?
If you guessed the press and the media, you would be correct!
“When representatives from Japan and the United States signed a historic treaty in March 1854, Commodore Matthew C. Perry of the U.S. Navy had successfully opened the doors of trade with Japan. With this new enterprise came a small number of Jewish merchants settling down in the principal port cities of the islands.
The first Jews to arrive were Alexander Marks and his brother in Yokohama in 1861. They were followed by American businessman Raphael Schover. Though primarily involved with trade and commerce, Schover also became the publisher of the Japan Express, the first foreign-language newspaper in Japan.
The first Jews to immigrate to Japan were primarily from Poland, the United States and England. Most made their homes in Yokohama, just south of present-day Tokyo. They establsihed a synagogue, school, cemetery and burial society. Even today, Yokohama continues to be the main hub of Japanese Jewish life.”
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Japan.html
Thanks for answering my question, why are so many Christians brainwashed.
I am a secular Jew, but always felt there was something wrong with Judaism, though I couldn’t put my finger on it. I never felt comfortable around Jews. A few years ago, I started educating myself, for instance, Brother’s website and even reading David Duke’s book, Jewish Supremacy. I could not believe what I learned. I had no idea, though, finally I had answers for what felt wrong to me.
I became a Christian about a year ago. Since then I’ve been to 11 churches. I have also talked to a lot of Christians, for the first time in my life, really.
What I’ve discovered is how ignorant most Christians are about Jews. (Not you folks, but the average Christian.) They believe that Jews are just like them, except don’t believe in Christ. When I tell them that most Jews are atheists (including the ones who go to temple) they are shocked!
I don’t understand why we have the notion of a Judeo-Christian society. We don’t. Jews make up a tiny proportion. The Founding Fathers were almost all Christians. This whole Judeo-Christian nonsense creates the impression that we are all alike.
I have found that Christians are nothing like Jews! Jews are about the self, about grudges, about money. Christians are about forgiveness and charity.
I thank God that I finally found out the answer to my questions, and I made Christ my savior.
There’s a distinction, with a real difference, between saying “The OT is false,” and what I think could be seen plainly, if you are objective.
Jesus Christ is the STANDARD. In other words, if you cannot imagine JC saying He agrees with ‘it’, then you should reject whatever ‘it’ is.
Take the case I asked… Jesus plainly consulted with Moses, it’s in the NT. But could you imagine JC saying to Moses… “Listen Moshe, that thing you did to the Midianites… and those virgin girls you assigned to be slaves, but not to be married, wink-wink… that’s OK, I (as Father) commanded it.”
Wrong…
The tribe basically attributes (blames? even) the LORD and Moses as the ones who not only sanctioned, but commanded such horrible acts. Like they do today.
I’d call it “Putting Righteousness on as Camouflage”
Augustine
In the City of God by Blessed Mary of Agreda, there is a particular passage regarding the souls of unborn baby boys and baby girls. According to the book, doctors and theologians at that time thought that a boys soul was fused to the body at 6 weeks after conception but a girl’s soul was not fused until 10 weeks after conception. Mary of Agreda asked the Blessed Mother if this was true. She said yes. Was Mary a liar? No, she was trying to protect the integrity of the faith.
The same goes with Jesus. He would not go against what the Jewish people of his day were taught to believe. And what the prophets taught was definitely from God. Also, when Moses came and spoke to Jesus, he knew a lot more than what he knew when he was alive. So he spoke to Jesus of eternal things, not things temporal.
just want to say I see a lot of – trolls – here trying to stir up stupid arguments, and I see some intelligent people with good things to offer, taking their bait.
It messes up an otherwise often very interesting internet discussion
Great comment at 4:30 KC, particularly 2, 2b, 3, and on, thats how I see it.
Very well explained in my opinion.
Donna,
Picking a claim by a person who (claiming) speaks to Our Lady, and using it to draw a blanket conclusion about the veracity of the written meaning of the entire OT is fallacious at best, mendacious at worst.
It’s the Tribal trick… use a toothpick to represent a tree. Sorry, but it’s too flimsy to even debate as a worthy analogy.
Try this on for size… in the OT, kosher food is absolutely a requirement… then Jesus informs Peter to throw off that nonsense.
The real reason Moses ‘invented’ kashrut was that the people he led were stricken through with leprosy, and it was a result of their close co-habitation with pigs. They didn’t give such source of meat up easily, so Moses said it was God’s law. If it truly was God’s law, Jesus (God) would never have schitt-canned it.
Stav, regarding the “filique” and its division between the Latin and Greek Churches — there was a very good response given on EWTN’s website:
Filioque – Clarification
Question from Father Deacon Elmer on 8/6/2010:
Larry asked that I clarify my answer on the Filioque.
In a nutshell, the Latins (Western Christians) understood the word for “proceed” to be like our English word for proceed, or go. I go through the doorway, you go through the doorway, any number of people can go through the doorway.
The word in Greek (Eastern Christians) has a different meaning. It means to proceed from a single source, such as a person may be born, but only from one mother.
When the Latins added the Filioque to the Creed (outside of an Ecumenical Council), they found no problem with it. The Filioque seemed to give emphasis to the Trinity, which at the time was under a type of attack.
But the Greeks heard this very differently. By this action, the Latins added a phrase that was theologically impossible (processing from more than one source), and then making that statement a dogmatic element in the Creed!
So the addition of the Filioque into the Creed had two problems for the Greeks: it was not done in an Ecumenical Council under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and it added an element to the Creed that was impossible.
So basically the Greeks then said that if that was what the Latins believed, then they should separate themselves from them. Thus the schism which continues to this day.
http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp?number=597449&Pg=Forum13&Pgnu=2&recnu=50
Stav says:
“Just a few more details on this: The Catholic Church has introduced outlandish and strange doctrines such as purgatory and the ridiculous idea of infallibility of the Pope, but also introduced practical changes such as the change in attire of the priests, the changes on how baptism, confession, fasting and a lot more is to be practiced.”
Here’s my response, Stav:
When Christ formed His Church on earth out of his small band of apostles (before ascending into heaven) I believe He expected His Church would grow and grow over the centuries, but its Truths would not change. And I believe the Catholic Church has been faithful to the original doctrines of the Early Church Fathers.
Here’s what’s happened: The Church in the beginning was a seed (much like an acorn), now it is an Oak tree. It looks very different, but it is the same. Those who would separate themselves from “the vine” will ultimately result in dead branches (that is my personal opinion).
Yes, an Oak tree looks nothing like the acorn it sprung from, nor do we resemble the embryos we once were — but we are the same, only matured.
Jesus came for more than one reason.
He needed, besides the basics of Salvation, to set things right…
Circumcision…
Kosher dietary…
Identifying the Scribes, Pharisees as Hypocrites…
Reconciling the Tribal Law with God’s true Law… Love thy neighbor, which the Tribe NEVER did… they HATE all ‘goy’.
Much more could be shown… but then, the pissed off clowns would call that trolling.
You all here make claims to be upset with Jews, Israel, etc.
But the facts are clear. If you allow it (Tribal domination) to happen by reinforcing the basic tactic that they (Tribal Elders) finally figured out and began to use with such power over a century ago (Christian gullibility via the ‘literal word of God OT’ as a pillar of Zionist mind control), then you have no-one to blame but yourselves.
Wake up people.
Georgios said:
“Therefore, … we teach and define as a divinely revealed dogma that when the Roman Pontiff speaks from his throne (ex cathedra), that is, when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church, he possesses … infallibility …
“Therefore, such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are of themselves, and not by the consent of the Church, irreformable. So then, should anyone … have the temerity to reject this definition of ours: let him be anathema.” – Papal ‘Ecumenical Council’ Vatican I, Decree of the Council (1870)
//The audacious and blasphemous claims, such as above, constitute one reason (from hundreds) why no Christian can be associated with Roman Catholicism.//
Really, Georgios? Perhaps you have not really thought this through. First of all, the Pope speaks “ex cathedra” VERY RARELY, and only in matters of faith and morals.
In essence, the Church is only confirming those things which Christ spoke to Peter when HE promised to Guide the Church into ALL TRUTH. This “infallibility” is a work of the Holy Spirit, not the man.
We are simply affirming and BELIEVING the Promise of Christ that the HOLY SPIRIT would lead the Church into all Truth.
AND HE DOES, and HAS for the last 2000 years. Praise God.
@America the Beautiful
“Georgios,
You claim that the Holy Father …..”
The first innovation was the Filioque (“and the Son”) addition to the eighth article of the Creed, concerning the procession of the Holy Spirit.
The second innovation cited is the substitution of holy Baptism with affusion (epicusis), where water is poured (ekcew) over the candidate’s head; or, aspersion (rantismos), when water is sprinkled on the candidate’s forehead. The Greek verb for “I baptize” (Baptizw) means to immerse, submerge, or plunge.
When the Lord instituted the Mystery of the Eucharist, He commanded us to do as He had done. The Orthodox follow that instruction; Rome, however, does not. The Roman Pontiff has altered the Lord’s institution and the traditions of the Holy Fathers, by instituting the use of azymes or unleavened bread (crackers), and not artos or leavened bread in the celebration of the Mystery of the Eucharist.
The Apostles are all unanimous in their testimony that our Lord made a point of offering leavened bread, which they show by using the word Greek artos and not the Jewish crackers or unleavened bread, which the same Apostles always specify as azymos, or azymes in English.
It is very clear that the Lord, the Apostles, and the Apostolic Church all used leavened bread, not Jewish crackers, in their Mysteries. The Evangelist Luke recounts: “And He took bread (artos) and gave thanks, and broke it, and gave to them, saying, “This is My body which is being given for you; be doing this in remembrance of Me…”[Lk. 22:19].
The fourth innovation deals with the consecration that takes place in their Mass. The Roman Catholics believe that the bread and wine are consecrated solely by the recitation of Christ’s words, “This is My Body….This is My Blood” [Mt. 26:26, 28; Mk. 14:22, 24]. In the Liturgy of the Eastern Church, the Orthodox have always had the invocation (Epiklhsis) for the transelementation (metastoiceioumena) of the bread and wine into the very Body and Blood of Christ.
The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church of the Seven Ecumenical Councils, in concert with the ancient rituals of Rome and Gaul, hold that the precious Gifts are consecrated after the prayer of the invocation (Epiklhsis) of the Holy Spirit by the blessing of the priest, not by “Words of Institution.”
The Eastern Church states that we read in Scripture that the Lord Jesus first “took bread, and blessed it, and brake it” [Mt. 26:26; Mk. 14:22]; and then “He took the cup, and gave thanks” [Mt. 26:27; Mk. 14:23]. Christ consecrated the bread and wine by thanksgiving, blessing and invocation.
When Christ broke the bread, it was already His Body. The consecration comes before the fraction. The prayer Christ uttered was consecratory, because for what other purpose could Christ have said, “Take, eat, this is My Body”? Christ was distributing to His disciples what He had already blessed and consecrated.[x]
When Jesus distributed what He had already consecrated it still appeared like bread and wine. Hence, the Lord explained, “This is My Body…This is My Blood.” These words are not consecratory, but we call them sacramental (musthriwdh), because they make clear the meaning of the Mystery.[xi]
Note that Christ does not say, “Let this be,” or “become,” or “be made My Body,” or “This becomes My Body.” Christ said, “This is,” since the elements had already become His Body. It is the same with the other Mysteries of the Orthodox Church: consecration is effected by supplication and invocation of the Holy Trinity to effect the change and the subsequent action of the Holy Spirit, not by merely reading scriptural narratives or repeating the words of Christ.
The fifth innovation is that of administering communion in only one kind, excluding the laity from partaking of the chalice. The chalice is allowed only to the clergy, contrary to the Lord’s command: “Drink all ye of It…” [Mt. 26:27].
Did not Christ also say, “Except ye eat the Flesh of the Son of Man, and drink His Blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth My Flesh, and drinketh My Blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For My Flesh is food indeed, and My Blood is drink indeed”? [Jn. 6:53-55]. It is impossible to reconcile the Latin practice with our Saviour’s utterance.
In the early 1960’s, however, commencing with Pope John XXIII (1958-1963), and concluding with Pope Paul VI (1963-1978), Vatican II discussed the “restoration of rites,” wherein the Roman Catholic Church provided for its laity the Communion chalice. Thus, after receiving the consecrated wafer, the communicant could partake of the cup. The Roman Missal also provides for intinction, the act of steeping or dipping the wafer in the wine.
Another innovation of the Latins was their refusal to administer Holy Communion to infants. The very children whom Christ took in His arms and blessed, and concerning whom, He gave commandment that they should be suffered to come unto Him [Mt. 19:14; Mk. 10:14; Lk. 18:16], were denied.
Though this rebuke corrected His disciples, it has proved of no avail against the papists, who are not willing to admit that, if the children can be baptized Christians, they can and ought to also be communed.
The sixth innovation of the papacy is the belief in purgatorial fire. According to Roman Catholic teaching, when one sins, one incurs two debts, a debt of punishment and a debt of guilt. Forgiveness by God of sins, only does away with the debt of guilt, not the debt of punishment, the recompense or satisfaction owed for the offense against God.
Purgatory, then, is the place or state where those who have died in the grace of God render this satisfaction for those venial, or lesser, sins, which, although forgiven as to guilt, have not been payed off as to the debt of punishment with sufficient suffering or other means during one’s lifetime.
They must undergo such punishment and be released from all debt, before being admitted to the beatific vision of God. The Orthodox reject the existence of Purgatory and the necessity of punishment for sins that are forgiven.
Another erroneous teaching, which is distinctly Latin, accords the privilege to the Virgin Mary of being conceived without original sin. The dogma of the Immaculate Conception of Mary was defined by Pope Pius IX (1846-1878) on December 8, 1854, in the bull Ineffabilis Deus.
The most important words of this definition are the following:
“…by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, of the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by our own authority, we declare, pronounce and define that the doctrine, which holds that the most blessed Virgin Mary, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, Saviour of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is revealed by God and therefore to be firmly and constantly believed by all the faithful.”
An official Vatican I (1870) proclamation read:
“The Pope is Christ in office, Christ in jurisdiction and power….We bow down before thy voice, O Holy Father, as we would before Christ Himself.”[xxviii] Pope Leo XIII declared, “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.”[xxix] Pope Pius X (1903-1914) said, “The Pope is not only representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ Himself, hidden under the veil of the flesh. Does the Pope speak? It is Jesus Christ Himself Who speaks.”[xxx] Pope Pius XI (1922-1939) uttered, “You know that I am the Holy Father, the representative of God on earth, the Vicar of Christ, which means that I am God on earth.”[xxxi]
According to the First Vatican Council, the Pope was infallible when he defined a doctrine concerning faith or morals. In accordance with this doctrine such a definition is infallible even previous to its acceptance by the Latin Church. Also, the Church of Rome teaches that the same infallibility attaches to whatever is taught as part of the deposit of revelation by the entire body of bishops in union with Rome, whether inside or outside of an Ecumenical Council.[xxxii]
Other novelties introduced at Rome include the use of statues instead of icons. The Evangelist Luke initiated the painting of icons. He painted the Theotokos in her lifetime and received her blessing to continue in that sacred art.
The Orthodox Church neither venerates nor manufactures statues. The definition given by the Seventh Ecumenical Council (Nicæa II, 787) was that images be produced with paints (or colors), with mosaic, or tesselated, and with any other suitable material, such as gold and silver and other metals, as Bishop Theodosios of Amorion says in Act IV of the same Council.
The images may be inscribed upon sacred utensils, divine Gospels, precious Crosses,[xliii] robes, sheets, cloths, walls, boards and houses. To this class, also, is assigned images cast in wax, which St. John Chrysostom himself loved.[xliv]
No word is ever mentioned about the making of statues, sculptured figures or plaster of paris replicas. Many assert that the reason why the Church rejected the veneration of statues, apart from the legal observation and custom noted hereinabove, was in order to avoid entirely any likeness to pagan idols which were statutes of massive sculpture.
A statue is too life-like, human a representation, confusable with the prototype, whereas it is obvious with a 2-dimensional representation that the icon is only a representation of another person to whom the actual reverence is felt and shown via the icon.
The early Church historian, Socrates Scholasticus (late 4th century A.D) recounts in his Ecclesiastical History (Bk. I, Ch. XI) that at the 1st Ecumenical Council in 325 A.D., the idea of requiring clerical celibacy was raised as an innovation by some of the bishops and clergy, which met with an ardent opposition lead by St. Paphnutios, a monk, a bishop, and a confessor who had suffered mutilation for the Faith in the recent persecutions.
They pleaded that not all men could bear this sacrifice, as witnessed by the words of the Savior (Matt.), that it was not hitherto the tradition of the Church to require this, and that it would be unwise to require it of all clergymen, since it would bring the weaker ones into perdition. He also feared for the continence of the wives of these clergymen thus forced to celibacy.
St. Paphnutius’ appeal persuaded the Ecumenical Council to unanimously reject the proposition to require celibacy from all clergy; however, it did prohibit marriage or remarriage after ordination, in accordance with the recommendation of St. Paphnutius and already established tradition.
Nevertheless, there was always an inclination to prefer whenever possible celibate men for the highest offices (e.g., the episcopate), who could devote themselves more fully to the service of God and the shepherding of the flock (cf. 1 Cor. 7:32-35), and for other practical and spiritual reasons.
Consequently, it became the universal norm to draw from celibate men for consecration to the Episcopate; however, when Rome began requiring of her married lower clergy (priests, deacons, subdeacons) to take vows of celibacy and repudiate there wives, the 6th Ecumenical Council censured this practice and prohibited it to anyone under threat of deposition; however, it also ordained that the normative practice everywhere accepted by the Church of selecting bishops from among celibates, should continue and now be the fixed rule, thus making an authoritative ruling of the universal Church.
Consequently, when Pope Leo IX (1049-1054) reinstituted this practice and began a crusade against the ‘heresy’ of married clergy, which became one of the reasons for his excommunicating the Orthodox, he was defying and denying the authority of the universal Church, contrary to the words of Christ, and setting himself up above the whole Church.
The reform of the Julian Calendar was projected under earlier Popes. A calendar change was constantly thwarted by the monastic communities of both the East and the West, supported also by reminders, fearful admonitions and anathemas of the Councils.
The constant refrain of the Holy Canons is the continuance in what has been handed down from the Apostles and their saintly successors: “Let the ancient customs prevail” (Canon VI, First Ecumenical Council); “Inasmuch as custom and ancient tradition have prevailed” (Canon VII, First Ecumenical Council); and “…according to the Canons of the Holy Fathers and ancient custom…” (Canon VIII, Third Ecumenical Council). Saint Bede the “Venerable” (c. 673-735) stoutly declared, “The alleged correction of the ecclesiastical calendar is not permissible to anyone.”
Another Latin innovation noted by the Orthodox is the administration of “extreme” unction to a sick person on the point of dying, not for the purpose of promoting the recovery of that one’s body and soul, but as the last provision for death.
Even the name “viaticum” (meaning “provision for a journey”) was the Holy Communion given to those in likelihood of immediate death to strengthen them for their journey into eternity. Though bodily recovery was not ordinarily expected, the 1972 Roman Catholic Novus Ordo (New Order) lays much greater emphasis on healing.
All those who desire to learn the facts in detail concerning the innovations and pretensions of the Papal Church may study ecclesiastical history, the writings of the learned and especially The Rudder (The Pedalion) of the Orthodox Church.
The honest reader will be left without any doubt as to which of the two communions is the true Church of the Holy Apostles and Fathers, unaltered by heresy and innovation.
Space does not permit us to describe the other innovations and peculiarities not mentioned in this synodical letter. These include beliefs in created grace, “original sin,” predestination, stigmata, false Marian visions, shaven clergy, temples with pews, Papally-endorsed murders, assassinations, robberies, and forced (superficial) conversions, the Serbian genocide, the Pope as a holder of both ecclesiastical and civil offices, etc. So, through the years, diversity became disparity, privilege became right, and innovation became tradition.
We see in the modern papacy the story of an apostasy from the Church, following the road first traveled by the Angel Lucifer, who rose as the bright morning-star [Is. 14:12].
First came pride when Lucifer said, “I will set my throne above the stars of heaven….I will be like the Most High” [Is. 14:13, 14]. This pride also manifested itself by the Popes saying their throne is supreme, high above all other bishops and Councils. Saint Photios fought against this first manifestation of spiritual destruction.
Secondly, came the Aristotelian investigative procedures of Scholasticism. This was an attempt by intellectual processes, by analogy and by defining, coordinating, and systematizing the data of faith, to justify western doctrine. It was borrowed almost whole cloth from contemporary Jewish and Muslim mystical and rationalistic philosophy, which had already wrought the same designs on their own creeds.
Saint Gregory Palamas fought against this scholasticism which elevated reason in the minds of those in delusion (prelest) above faith. Lastly, came the action of an ecumenical union which would overlook all conditions of a true union for the sake of some imagined good. Saint Mark fought against a false union which would lead many Orthodox into apostasy.
Through the prayers of the pillars of Orthodoxy may the Lord grant us to say with the notable Joseph Bryennios:
“We shall never renounce Thee, O beloved Orthodoxy! We shall never be untrue to thee, O revered tradition of the Fathers! We shall never forsake thee, O Mother Piety! In Thee were we born; and in Thee do we live; and in Thee shall we repose. And if the times require, we shall die ten thousand times for Thee!”[lii]
Re: inter-Church disagreements
In the beginning of Revelation John writing (circa 100 A.D. according to sources I trust), identifies 7 different churches.
I think this indicates God’s allowance for some level – cultural styles -, within the Church. Some of the 7 do get greater praise than of others however.
For now, I personally identify as simply a Christian. I have yet to see a Church where I see less *hypocrisy and humanity than other Churches, that would cause me to think that one is superior.
No offense and disrespect to Churches.
@America the Beautiful
Christ said, we should not change even a jotta (i) from His teachings.
Arius changed the omo-ousios (from same essence) with omoi-ousios (from similar essence). He added this ‘i’ (jotta, from omo to omoi).
According to the Fathers however, only created things have SIMILARITIES because ONLY CREATED THINGS HAVE SHAPES. God has NOT shape. The Latin church today says, that the Son is Omoiousios (similar in shape!) to the Father, degrading not only the Son but also the Father to a creation. Latin Church is worst than Arianism.
She is not Christian at all, but blasphemic, anti-christian, where no salvation is within preparing the way of the coming Antichrist and his Pseudoprophet.
The Catholic and Orthodox Churches should have reunited centuries ago.
The differences are small, and in some cases the arguments get downright petty.
Christians need a United Universal (Catholic) and Traditional Church. Conforming to God’s Truth (Orthodox), so as to fight the Real Enemy, that being the Beast and his people the Tribe, and not each other.
The Vatican has made huge errors since 1958. It’s plain to see. Wish it didn’t happen, but it did.
If Catholics demanded a Council to reunite the Churches, and in doing so, rid itself of modernism, Vatican II nonsense, and the bowing to the tribe, Christians would rejoice on a scale never before seen.
I offered to JPII the idea in 2000, that he resign the papacy, and appoint Alexi II in his place as Bishop of Rome, and the papal chair to the Orthodox leader. It would have reunited the Church in a lightning stroke. I also suggested a council would need to be convened to reconcile all differences.
Completely in accordance with Canon law, the Pope may decide the electoral terms for his successor.
Obviously Ratzinger intercepted that letter, and tore it up. He wanted that seat for himself.
Dear America the Beautiful,
You say:
“In a nutshell, the Latins (Western Christians) understood the word for “proceed” to be like our English word for proceed, or go. ”
And you also say:
“When the Latins added the Filioque to the Creed (outside of an Ecumenical Council), they found no problem with it. The Filioque seemed to give emphasis to the Trinity, which at the time was under a type of attack.”
And:
“But the Greeks heard this very differently.”
Actually, any such claim is plainly ridiculous. Did you know that even GREEK SPEAKING, EVEN TODAY, has changed the original creed to include the changes? If that matter was one of language, then they would not change it, would they? Regardless, the point is the not word “proceeds” but rather the actual addition which was “and the” or “filio que”.
You also say:
“And I believe the Catholic Church has been faithful to the original doctrines of the Early Church Fathers.”
Actually there is and issue with your thinking here:
To have faith in God, is a matter of belief. Thats the way to deal with matters of spirit which have no universal and physical proof.
But when it comes to matters of doctrine, the matter is not spiritual when it comes to the facts and the records. It does not make sense to say that you believe that the doctrines were kept faithfully. Since you can actually check this, and see whether there are differences between your religious community doctrines and the ones that originally were established by the Holy Spirit and what is actually believed now.
One example is the new doctrine created by your Pope, regarding the Mother of God to be the “immaculate conception.” That is new, and historical and logical facts sow that this is new doctrine.
You finally say:
“Here’s what’s happened: The Church in the beginning was a seed (much like an acorn), now it is an Oak tree. It looks very different, but it is the same.”
Your example of the tree, is not applicable. A tree has the same substance or (RNA some would say), and thus in this respect remains the same. However, your Catholic religious community, by changing doctrine, has actually changed the core and “genetic material” of its nature. And changed genetic material, brings mutation. What has happened in the Catholic community, is not growth. It’s mutation. In theological terms, this mutation is called heresy.
As I said before, the proof is there for all to see as far as doctrine goes. It’s not a matter of faith. One can read our Holy Orthodox Fathers, such as Saint John Chrysostom, etc. and then compare their expressed doctrine with the newly introduced Catholic one. There is no point saying that you believe this or that, in this respect.
And, you did not respond to the rest of my post, regarding the evil Uniate practice which is blessed and accepted by the Pope, and the DIRECT refusal to obey Jesus Christ own commandments and words regarding Holy Communion and everything else.
Stav
Dear Augustine,
You say:
“Christians need a United Universal (Catholic) and Traditional Church. Conforming to God’s Truth (Orthodox), so as to fight the Real Enemy, that being the Beast and his people the Tribe, and not each other.”
Well, there is such a Church. It is the Holy and Catholic Apostolic Orthodox Church, which for centuries before the Roman Catholics even existed, has kept us the truth in full correctness and in accordance to the Holy Tradition passed down from generation to generation.
Everyone who is prepared to accept the truth is welcome. The tough bit, is accepting the Truth, who is Jesus Christ. And this is where the problem lies.
There is no point in uniting the tainted with the untainted. Thus, no union can happen if the doctrinal, spiritual and practical heresies continue to exist on one side.
Stav
Those who say the Catholic church made up purgatory do not know Scripture.
In fact Jesus describes the existence and purpose of purgatory in the Gospels.
“You will not come out of there I tell you until every penny has been paid.”
I know I am not perfect, far from it.
I also know only perfect people enter heaven, as Jesus says, again in the Gospels, ” you must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”
Therefore purification is necessary, and prayers from the living.
Despite its shortcomings, the Catholic church is the repository of the greatest amount of knowledge concerning the faith. No other religion even comes close.
That’s not to say it is infallible, as neither it nor the Pope can offer any guarantee that it speaks always with the voice of conscience.
The Catholic church and the Pope must undergo testing on this earth, the same as anyone else, through the use of free will.
Only God is infallible.
Your conscience is infallible, as it is of God, the Holy Spirit.
That doesn’t mean anyone, including the Pope is guaranteed to follow it, or even recognize or acknowledge it.
Satanists at Bohemian grove have a ceremony which they call the Cremation of Care….the discarding of conscience.
This is something they have been working on for the general population and was inculcated into the Vatican II reforms.
For example the old text of the Mass contained the words “Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa” in the confession of sins, but modern psychiatry has called this a persecution complex and the new mass omits most of it.
@America the Beautiful
When did Christ promise to Peter (His name is Petros and NOT Peter, like Iisous Christos is the Alpha and the Omega and not the A and O) to Guide the Church into ALL TRUTH? Are you a new Theologian?
NOT A SINGLE CHURCH FATHER SPOKE WHAT YOU SPEAK. If I am wrong, PROVE IT!
For Catholics to argue endlessly with the Orthodox, and vice versa, is absurd, counter-productive, short-sighted, and self-destructive.
The Enemy is within the Gates. But it is not fellow Orthodox or Catholic faithful. It is the Tribe that hates both Eastern and Western branches of Christ’s church.
When will the blind stop trying to teach others? Wake up!
“Yet many thing I have yo say to you; but you cannot bear to hear them now. But when He shall have come, the Spirit of Truth, He shall guide you to the whole truth” – John 16 :12-13
And again in speaking to his Heavenly Father before his Passion Jesus says “Hallow them in the truth; thy word is truth.” – John 17: 17.
Read the rest of the above passages and you will see they relate directly, this truth, to Christ.
Jesu Christu have mercy on us.
Good on you Augustine, you’re absolutely spot on!
Here we’ve got the CONFLICT of RELIGIONS;
Catholics vs Orthodox
Seven Day Adventists and who knows what other sects versus Orthodox and Catholics.
The never-ending arguments and constant bickering that makes any unification totally impossible!
‘Blows’ after ‘blows’ that could only succeed in putting people off all and/or any faith.
And the Zionist just seat back and enjoy watching your show…
Christ said to the Pharisees: “You say you can see, although you are blind: So I will NOT CURE you and the sins stay on you”.
HE SPEAKS TO ALL OF YOU OUTSIDE ORTHODOXY.
@oxymoron
After the 7th Holy and Apostolic Council which is VALID for ALL CHRISTIANS, THE FAITH OF THE CHURCH WAS SEALED FOR EVER!
Every altering is a dictate from the Devil.
@EvaneScence
It is the ANTICHRIST who wants to unite all Religions (not only Christians)in one world religion called M.R.A., destroying the true Church of Christ.
@Augustine
Not a single Orthodox discusses any more with the Panheresy of Papacy. Those who call themselves Orthodox and do it, are antichristian ECUMENISTS, prepairing the coming of the ANTICHRIST, speaking blasphemies against the Holy Spirit. Saint Paul said to Titus (3.10):
An heretic man after admonishing him once and twice, give up.
Most of your translation don’t even mention the world heretic.
New International Version: Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them.
What is divisive? One who does not want to join the heresy? How can you understand the Holy Bible? Do you have the keys?
If you don’t know greek, you have the Church Fathers who explain it to you. YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE CHURCH FATHER, YOU CAN NOT GO DIRECTLY TO GOD.
And I give you an orthodox example:
Go to your Bank and ask from that DIRECTOR to give you money, Do you know what he will tell you?
Go to the Bank teller.
In ORTHODOXY everything has its ORDER, and it is not a masonic “Ordo ab Chao” which ALL of you follow.
Wake up.
Dear EvaneScence and Augustine etc.,
It would be just great if the Catholics here just stopped talking about the Pope and tghe Catholics as if we all agreed with it. What I can’t stand, and which requires a response, are comments that come out of the blue, with no provocation, which have nothing to do this this web site but are clearly extremely Catholic Oriented.
Expressing ones oppinion is fine, what i cant’t accept silently is that some of these oppinions are doing two things:
1) They imply that Orthodoxy is somehow wrong and that Br. Nathanael, and all the other Orthodox here including me, are some how wrong.
An example of this, is a recent statment, ust a few days ago, that it was the Orthodox who caused the schism and who broke away from the Church. That is not only a reversal of what actually happened.
If you have not understood the pressuposition to this, it says pretty clearrly that the Orthodox are wrong in some way or fashion.
2) They are propagating something that to us, is obviously wrong and potentially damaging to ones soul. Thus, setting things straight from time to time, is required.
And I have been tracking the comments, I am not just saying that, to make some kind of impression. They do indeed happen in an unprovoiked fashion.
I hope you are aware by now that Br. Nathanael, is an Orthodox Christian, and NOT a Catholic. We Orthodox, have no such institution such as the Pope, because the head fo the Church, both in this world and the next, is Jesus Christ.
But this of this, what would happen if 5-6 regular visitors to a Catholic website, started saying that Orthodox Bishop X said this, and Orthodox Bishop Y said that, etc. etc. The answer is, that quickly but surely, these posters would be dealt with, and if it wa a continuous occurence again it would be handled immediately. And before you say anything, I know, I have tried.
So, when you Catholics come here, expecting to be agreed with, regarding your Roman Catholic views, just be a bit more realistic, and understand that you _may_ find some opposition. It’s only natural. It’s not bickering.
I know that many here are Catholics, or Ortherwise non Orthodox Christians.That’s cool. But, what I can’t just stand is sometimes, comments such as the ones in the comments section the last two articles of Br. Nathanael. They seem to imply or even directly express, that the Church is really the Catholic religious community, and that the Pope is the Pope for all of us here.
You just have to simply understand, that to an Orthodox, this is despicable, insulting, disgusting and repulsive. You just can’t say “The Pope wrote this, or said that” to an Orthodox, expecting them to agree, or even sitting there quietly which you say that.
They may remain patient for a while, but continued such references, esspecially if they are made in the “Universal” tone, will cause some kind of backlash.
Thus, to conclude, for us not to bicker here, all you have to do, is SPEAK FOR YOUR SELVES, and I will also speak for my self.
Catholics, just cannot act as if everyone here agrees with thier community and their Pope.
Same stuff goes for Protestants, Evangelicals, Saved people, etc. etc: You just can’t ac’t as if everyone believes that the only thing one can trust is the Bible and nothing else.
We Orthodox, at least, know that we have many adversaries, who see us as heretics and somehow not completely “normal” Christians. Thus, usually, understand at leastt, that there are others who will not agree with us 100%. In fact, for most people, it’s just too shocking to see a person like Br Nathanael. The rest of Christianity, both catholics and the rest, expect a clinicaly clean Christian, who is outwardly perfect in all ways, disregarding the internal nature and pureness of doctrine as understood by the Saints.
So at least, when we speak, we know that there will be many who will dissagree. I only wish our fellow Catholics here had the same sensitivity. And I say specifically Catholics, because it is they, invariably, that start going on and on and on, about your “Holy” Pope, your Immaculate Heart, and I don’t know what else. And you do this, in cmplete oblivion, that these heresies, on and ORTHODOX website, may offend someone.
Granted, many of yo don;t know what is and what is not compatible between our Churches. Find out if you’r going to make such statements! But if you do nto want to find out, at least you should know, that will not accept your Pope as anything other than a missled human being an your church as one that if very very sadly saturated with heretical doctrine.
Don’t want to get into this? Then don’t start it by mentioning it. Want to praise your Pope? Fine, do it, but say it for your self. Don’t try to make it appear as if everyone else agrees with that here.
After what your Popes have done to us Orthodox in the Physical sense, even forgetting (just for a second) all the doctrinal heresies, how can you expect us to respect him? I would say, just leave the matter alone. You just cannot prove to us, that he is Holy. You better forget it.
Want to get along? Then just speak for your selves regardng yor Pope and your “Church”. Don’t assume we agree with you on this particular matter, it’s insulting. Please understand this. Make this clear and there will be no fighting, at least from my side.
Stav
And by that last statement, I don’t mean that I agree with you if you speak for your self.
I am merely saying that you as everybody else has a right to free speech. Agreeing is a different matter which will take a lot of work.
And that work, requires doctrinal and spiritual work. In my experience, there is no argument against the Catholic religious community, that will convert anyone.
However factual, however historically correct, whatever authority may say this, it is not capable of producing a hundle conversion. It will only be fruitful for the ones who are ready and humble to take it on board.
Conversion is a matter of the soul.
And I agree with Georgios on this particular matter: Any apparent unification attempts at the top, today are either the product of evil ecumenism or if some very few of them they are sincere (most of them are not), they will be without result.
This is because, the differences are far to great to be reconciled by mere speeches, exchanges of presents and other such gestures.
Stav
This article started with the title of;
“JEWISH LOBBY‘ STRONG-ARMS’ LIMP-WRISTED OBAMA“
And it ended on religious issues AGAIN, its great differences and, yes, the never-ending exchange of fanatical bickering.
This Website has drawn my attention purely for one particular reason; to learn more about the Jews and Zionism.
I found it fascinating and the courageous, hard work of +Brother Nathanael extremely admirable, which now gets spoiled with this religious division.
I found it annoying seeing you arguing and feel ashamed.
I know they (Zionists) are having a ball…watching.
I would like to see you coming up with smart suggestions and ideas to help us overcome difficult times.
I would like to see some results taking place after each discussion of mutual understanding and solutions to the overpowering problem that we all have to face and struggle with.
Please, put your criticism and differences aside, keep your own faith to yourself and stop the ‘insulting’ or blaspheming.
There is no need for religious unity, but there certainly is a need to stand up together against one serious enemy that affect us ALL!
It’s too late to go back in time and change things.
We should look forward and learning from past mistakes of our fathers or grandfathers, that none of us is actually responsible for, try to make a better future.
It’s time to show some respect.
Many of you are very intelligent people and yet still acting so childish.
Please, try to stay on topic and debate on the issues that the article was created for.
Is it too much to ask for?
rochelleyork said:
“I am a former Jew and new to Christianity.
Can Brother and his readers explain why Christians are so supportive of Jews?
When I’ve expressed my concern about Jews and also Israel, Christians look very uncomfortable and tell me how much they admire the Jewish people.
Why are Christians so brainwashed? ”
rochelleyork, I would say it is just the opposite of what you perceive. Christians do NOT fear the Jews, so they can afford to be supportive …where credit is due.
Not ALL Jews are evil… just as in the day of Christ. Not all were evil, some were, and He called them out.
It is the same today. Most Christians, having been baptized with New Life in Christ, and Confirmed with Holy Oil and the Spirit’s presence in their lives . . . do not fear anything anymore.
They KNOW that Christ will be triumphant, and that what we go through now is nothing compared to the Glory of heaven.
LOVE dispels evil, not hatred.
Georgios, for your reference:
“Peter becomes head of the apostles
In especially solemn fashion Christ accentuated Peter’s precedence among the Apostles, when, after Peter had recognized Him as the Messias, He promised that he would be head of His flock. Jesus was then dwelling with His Apostles in the vicinity of Caesarea Philippi, engaged on His work of salvation.
As Christ’s coming agreed so little in power and glory with the expectations of the Messias, many different views concerning Him were current. While journeying along with His Apostles, Jesus asks them: “Whom do men say that the Son of man is?” The Apostles answered: “Some John the Baptist, and other some Elias, and others Jeremias, or one of the prophets”. Jesus said to them: “But whom do you say that I am?” Simon said: “Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God.”
And Jesus answering said to him: “Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. And I say to thee:
That thou art Peter [Kipha, a rock], and upon this rock [Kipha] I will build my church [ekklesian], and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven”.
Then he commanded his disciples, that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ (Matthew 16:13-20; Mark 8:27-30; Luke 9:18-21).”
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11744a.htm
EvaneScence
I think your last post was beautiful and certainly God honoring. Think I will try to follow your suggestions. Hope Brother Nathanael will consider giving us a brief posting rules list to back you up.
I noticed when I first started regularly posting about two months ago that people routinely posted far off of orginal topic. I also noticed a strong atmostphere of “All Jews are bad and it is right to hate them.”
Just my feelings that I observed. Of course I could be misinterpreting, but just my feelings.
I have always tried to analyze the “problem we all face together” in terms of a “theological construct” rather than a “racial construct.”
Will always keep striving for that and when and if that appears to no avail, I will stop posting because this whole thing will not be for the glory of God in Christ Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit.
To be fair to Catholics. they do not generally attack other religions.
This is because they are Christians.
If you look at the so called arguments you will find they consist of attacks on the Catholic religion and not vice versa. This is the same on almost all boards I have come across.
This should not be mistaken for approval by Catholics of everything about other religions but for what it is. Respect, and love.
If you look at my criticism it was based on the Gospel. If you say who am I to interpret the Gospel?
My simple answer is that I can subtract 3 from nine to get six and that is how I know Jesus Christ, our Lord, remained on the cross for 6 hours and not three.
Whether Jesus Christ has suffered for three or nine hours it was that one hour, one minute or one second far too long!
Now ask yourself; “Do we not add more to His suffering every day, every hour and every minute by our actions and by the constant arguing which religion is more genuine?
It is not the faith itself, but some of the people and their interpretations or misinterpretations.
And regardless of the faith we represent, we all believe in the same One and Only God.
Just think about it!
I think , I’ve learned enough about religions.
Now, I would like to learn more about the most current problems we are facing, what is going on around the world and how to practically protect my family, my friends and maybe even my community if I can, and be allowed to do so.
Let’s be realistic!
I don’t approve of forceful conversions and am sadden by some of the tragic events that took place in the past.
Now, I can see that no one is perfect and this is the way, unfortunately, it will always be.
We all present different personalities, but at least as grown up adults we should be able to apply some sensible and realistic approach to the most important matters close to our heart and change things for the better.
Thank you Jeannon Kralj and Oxymoron for your kind words.
There will always be some people who will try to change the subject for a reason.
They enjoy watching you arguing! That is exactly their aim; causing more division, taking your attention away from the real subject!
Haven’t you noticed that yet?
Please don’t let them.
Good luck and may God bless you all.
And what are we going to do when one day we will ALL end up as slaves under a one New World Order run by the Zionists?
Will you still keep arguing about your religions?
Wake up!
Dear Real Zionist News Family –
I was hasty in charging one of the posters, “Augustine,” of “blasphemy” in his questions regarding passages in the Old Testament which might put the God of the Old Testament, (Who is the SAME God of the New Testament), in a bad light.
I DID answer Augustine and neglected to write, END OF THREAD — END OF DISCUSSION.
And THAT is the way it will stand.
END OF DISCUSSION.
My apologies to Augustine for being hasty in saying he was committing blasphemy.
He did ask a sincere question and I DID answer him sincerely as he took the passages out of the context of a proper “Orthodox” understanding of the Old Testament.
I simply DO NOT HAVE TIME to go into these issues in depth.
I also removed from the Comments Section both of my charges against him…
+Brother Nathanael
“That thou art Peter [Kipha, a rock], and upon this rock [Kipha] I will build my church [ekklesian],”
America the Beautiful,
This is NONSENSE. You add words, not just an “i”, Christ never said.
Christ told: “You are PETROS and upon this PETRA (me, the Christ, which you just confessed) I will build my Church”. ALL Church Fathers without a single exception interprete it in this way. Are you higher than the Church Fathers?
Don’t you see a difference between Petros and Petra (= Christ)? Why do you interpret both as stone, since in Greek these are two different words?
Christ said also to Petros (Peter for you): “Go away from me you Satan”. According to you, Petros (Peter) was Satan? Do you understand, what you read? Do you think logically? Do you understand the Alpha and the Omega? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE ORAL AND WRITTEN TRADITION? Do you understand the Scriptures?
PAUL said to his disciples: “KEEP EVERYTHING I HAVE TOLD TO YOU”. Now tell me: WHAT DID PAUL SAY TO HIS DISCIPLES? HUH? You have no idea, not? Why? Because you are outside His Church. Christ’s Church kept the oral tradition though.
In Greek Petros means a small stone but PETRA (CHRIST) means CORNERSTONE. And what Christ told to Peter was valid for all Apostles. They all were equal. And the first Church Peter founded was in Antiochia. He NEVER was in Rome. If he were in Rome, as Pope or not, would Paul not mention him in his letters to the Romans?
About who is PETRA (CORNERSTONE):
Ephesians 2:20: Together, we are his house, built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets. And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
See also Matthew 21:42, Mark 12:10, Luke 20:17, Acts 4:11, and 1 Peter 2:7 to learn who is PETRA, the CORNERSTONE.
The Pharisees thought they could see. Christ said to them, they were blind and so he did not cure them, and they sins remained on them.
How can you say, “We are wise, we have the law of the LORD”? Why, that has been changed into falsehood by the lying pen of the scribes!
JEREMIAH 8:8
Again… proving what I said…
My point was, the scribes definitely (see above) took liberties with the truth in writing the scrolls of the OT.
Thank you Brother for the apology and corrections. But if you are an honest man, you can admit your error in a better way… restore my posts, and answer the question I am still asking… do you not see the method of modern Tribal Israel paralleled in the OT by scribes deflecting the responsibility for tribal misdeeds onto GOD, and Others (in the case I cited, Moses)?
And doesn’t that help take the props out from under the Tribal mind-control of Christians?
Dear Augustine –
My apology stands.
So does my END OF DISCUSSION assertion.
Let’s move on… +BN
Zionists do not believe in God and they will do everything to destroy your beliefs.
Prevention is better than cure.
Protect yourself by applying co-operation, respect and at least, if not Love, then some affection towards each other.
After all, we all consider ourselves as Christians.
Don’t prod on, have the grace to stand back for the sake of peace.
Peace be with you all.
Brother Nathanael…
I look forward to the future article by you, when you finally realize that the OT is effectively being used as a propaganda device as wielded by the Tribe.
Christ knew they were doing it. He came to set it right. “Woe unto you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites!…”
Take away that tool (the Zionist assertion that the OT gives them Godly rights over all others), and Christians would free themselves from the chains of ignorance shackling them in a worldwide tribal prison.
When I was in Catholic school, the nuns had a way of ending discussion… books placed in both hands, with outstretched arms. The more troubling the questions asked, the bigger the books.
Usually they did so when someone brought up an uncomfortable truth.
Made me love Augustine of Hippo, and Thomas Aquinas, all the more.
You’re no nun, Brother. Thank God for that. But if you ask again for the discussion to stop, you better get some big books.
…Well, whatever Augustine.
…And I don’t mean the New Age mass neither.
“Gimme that old time religion,
Gimme that old time religion”
The pre-fall of the Catholic Church mass.
The Latin Mass.
The favourite prayer of the angels!
Don’t you go cussin ‘out my posts moderator you hear?
…..Probably an informer in a previous life.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=276781
This is the most powerful voice you’ll hear on the Israeli influence in the White House
Stav…
I NEVER said the Orthodox Church was wrong… don’t create a strawman version of me.
I have my feet in both churches. I’ll explain some other day.
But the post Vatican II Catholic Church is definitely in need of reform and support.
Think of it this way… and if you are a Russian, you would understand me completely… this is important.
Remember the eastern viking peoples? The Rus. They settled the land from Novgorod to the Volga reaches, from Kiev to the Crimea. They pushed out the Khazars, and slowed the onslaught of the mongols and other Asian nomadic warriors, saving Europe from being overrun numerous times…
Why is that important as an historical fact? Is it appreciated by all other European Christians through history?
Do Catholics today thank the Orthodox for remaining faithful to Tradition? They should.
Do Orthodox wish to fight Satan and the Khazar hordes alone, again? Perhaps not.
Like I said, I suggested to the Slavic JPII that he appoint the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church to the chair in Rome.
Does that sound like an Orthodox hater?
Can you read?
You’d rather squabble than help join forces against the Devil? Chertoff… you know what that means in Russian, yes?
Think hard before answering.
Hi Augustine,
(And fellow members of this website who are concerned or not, with Christian dogma)
Any comments that I make regarding the Catholic religious community, are not personal. With the exception of the Pope, who calls himself the head of his community.
If I did sound as attacking you personally, let me apologize sincerely. My point was not to offend you, but to show the truth to an extent.
As far as I am concerned, I am half Greek, half Dutch, but I know some limited Russian, which however does not allow me to know what the word Chertoff means… (I am trying to find time to learn more Russian.)
The problem in general is not really whether you specifically hate the Orthodox, and I believe you when you say that.
Before I continue, let me let you in some small but important detail about Orthodoxy. Orthodoxy stays fast with doctrine. It does not change it. The reasons are not only experiential and cultural. They are indeed also very logical.
You may have read some of the writings of our Holy Fathers. If you have not, then I recommend it. The immediate perception you will get, is the absolute profoundness and purity of their writings.
The next thing, to an honest reader, will be the realization that all of what they have written is absolutely compatible with Scripture, even though in Orthodoxy, we do NOT view Scripture as the end and beginning of Christianity.
But, the one thing that you must think a bit to realize, is that their writings are logically consistent.
That means, that they are not simply a collection of homilies, sermons, opinions, analysis and various texts. The fact is, that their writings are logically connected and very carefully maintain a logical integrity. And this is important. Because invariably, it was THESE people that defined doctrine. And they used the Greek language with ultimate skill, to define, describe and support the Church.
Thus, these writings, which are part of our tradition, are not only divinely inspired and written by holy people. They are, in certain cases quite importantly, logical and as absolute as the most worked on philosophical and scientific ideas.
It takes much more than an amateur or simply peripherally knowledgeable person to try to alter the wording of any of their writings, without damaging the integrity of other parts of Theology.
Thus, dogma/doctrine, works much like mathematics or any logical thinking. One conclusion or axiom, will eventually bring forth others. And if we go back to the start and change an axiom or dogma, then any of the ideas that are based on them, will be affected and be destroyed.
Consider the addition of a single “and the” in the Nicene Creed. In today’s computer languages, but also in centuries, even millenia, aged reasoning practices the following would be correct to say:
If we have values A, B and C, then:
ONLY A gives/makes/creates C
Does NOT equal to:
A AND B gives/makes/creates C
In fact, the relationship between A, B, and C, change DRAMATICALLY, depending on whether one chooses the first or second statement as being true.
Now, obviously A Represents the Father, B the Son, and C the Holy Spirit. Can you imagine, if someone told you that your child, let’s say it’s your son, is not the result of you AND your wife, but rather the result of ONLY your wife? Would that not mean a DRAMATIC change in your importance as a parent? Indeed, would you even be a parent then?
While the above (husband-wife-son relationship) example is most definitely NOT appropriate to describe the Holy Trinity, it most definitely shows the immense and cataclysmic changes an addition of a seemingly simple “AND” or the exclusion of it can bring.
Thus, in logical terms, the addition of the “filio que” into the Creed, changed in a very important way the relationship between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
As a matter of fact, and exactly because we are talking about God here, IF one attempts to express the relationship between the Holy Trinity, they are altering the perceived “value” (if one could use the word for God Himself) of some or all of the Persons involved in the Holy Trinity reality. And if one of them is affected positively, then another one will be affected negatively.
There exactly, is horrible blasphemy. Because the simple small word of “and” takes such “value” away from the Holy Spirit. And because de facto, this is a reduction of the “value” of the Holy Spirit and because the Holy Spirit is God, this is Blaspheming against the Holy Spirit.
And let me remind here what is said in Scripture about blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. It brings out a whole new way to view the case of the filio que, does it not? If anyone thinks the “filio que” is only a minor issue, it would be good to think about this, before it’s too late.
The Nicene Creed is not mere words, when instated as dogma. To alter it in such a way as described above, is Heresy (and under certain analysis even Blasphemy), which leads, as I have shown, above to a dramatic change in ANY and ALL proceeding Theology.
All of that, was to explain the weight and significance of Heresy. It can directly and instantly lead to losing ones soul.
Now, on to the issue at hand.
The problem regarding Catholicism, in all honesty, is not so much the people, who may have no or limited knowledge of historical, doctrinal and other facts.
The problem lies with the leaders of the Roman religious community, who perpetrate and propagate false doctrine and blasphemy.
Many Catholics are critical of the Vatican II Catholic style Church, and they are right, as far as that is concerned.
But, as you may see in my posts, I specifically do NOT mention it, because the root of the problem lies far before Vatican II.
It is the same reason why I do not mention the RAMPANT freemasonry, satanism and other evils that exist within the Catholic community (and I am not talking of the people, I am talking mainly about the leaders).
I know it’s a cliche, and I know that you may have heard it all before. But it’s a fact, that when one changes their core Christian dogma, and their core beliefs, then, all manner of unpredictable, but always negative results will occur.
The first mistake that the Romans did, even before the official Schism, was to put this world before the next, by claiming Rome as the “capital” of Christianity in a dogmatic way. Many People make this kind mistake, that’s not exceptional. But, what the Romans and the West, who always hated Greeks and thus had worldly interest in replacing Konstantinopolis With Rome as the definitive center of Christendom, did, was to try to make this into some kind of unalterable dogma and doctrine.
And changing doctrine, as I said before, is wrong for many reasons.
This brought on, a natural result. That result was the lack of Grace within the Western Church. And lack of Grace, combined with rampant pride, such as the West always had, brings forth another natural result.
And that result, is HERESY. And to conclude the chain of events, which has been repeating it self up to and including Vatican II and beyond, heresy brings…
You guessed it, MORE HERESY, MORE PRIDE and LESS HOLY SPIRIT.
Thus, as you can see, I could potentially take you through the particular and specific events that I have generalized on above, but I consider this only required if you challenge me on this.
The fact remains, that the Schism did occur, which separated the Roman Church from the rest of the Churches, occurred. And my criticism of the Catholic religious community, is not based on their relatively recent satanic/freemasonic deeds. These are there, but they are not the root and cause of the problem.
They are if you will, together with Vatican II, simply symptoms of a disease. The disease, is heresy.
And so, a lack of humble repentance, brought forth new explanations and augmentations to the Law of God. Those brought on more and more and more. That brought on Vatican II, and even today, the Roman community continues to mutate faster and faster. And underneath all the flashy, shiny, Vatican banks, popemobiles, and cathedrals, what has accumulated is a putrid and disgusting mass of spiritual filth.
What am I trying to say with all of this?
Two things:
1) Heresy is a result of a collective ultra pride, not just the pride of a single person. And it does not remain static. It continues to degenerate, until the fuel of it all is taken out of the mix. And that fuel, is pride. Vatican II was a child of many centuries of pride, heresy and a lack of Grace.
2) To fight the good fight, you need to good weapons. The good weapons, are pure, never backfire, never hurt innocents and never hurt fellow fighters. Thus, you will see, when the time is right, that in order to fight the Jews, you will HAVE TO become Orthodox.
The gunpowder in the Catholic/Protestant etc. Christianity has been muted, tainted and rendered inactive by HERESY.
Sincere people, who belong to these “churches” find themselves CONSTANTLY on the verge of opposition or contradiction to their leaders and the doctrine that is pushed on them. If this is something that happens to you, listen to your conscience and take action!
I offer all of this, not as a personal attack towards you personally. But in the name of the Truth, Who is Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour.
Stav
Stav,
I’m more than a little familiar with the Orthodox Church.
I attended Eastern rite Catholic masses (Orthodox that joined with Catholic Church) for years. I attended Orthodox masses in Russia, Poland, and Ukraine while working there as well.
Had many long conversations, and listened to many lectures by priests and bishops, regarding issues relating to the Great Schism, modernism, tradition, and other subjects.
If that is not enough of a bona-fide for you, we’ll have to add this… I had my children baptised in the Orthodox Church.
Now, to the point at hand…
If Orthodox persons who wish for the Catholic Church and it’s billion members to help it fight the real enemy, then I would suggest a cease fire, at the least, on the issue of dogma.
I wanted, more than anyone perhaps, for the two churches to re-unite. Ten years ago, I came up with the idea of petitioning the slavic Pope to hand the keys to the Moscow Patriarch, and convene a Council to reconcile all differences.
You ever hear anybody else come up with such an idea to re-unite the churches in a lightning strike against Satan? Probably not. I never did either, until I wrote it down and mailed it to the Vatican.
So my point is, if you want to fight the Khazars alone, without those billion souls that are in the Roman Church, just keep pissing off every Catholic you confront.
I hate what Vatican II, modernism, liberalism, etc. did to my Church. But yu don’t destroy it because of the past erors, you correct it, and move forward.
With Orthodox help, the Church will become whole again, and maybe we have a chance to fight off the true enemy.
With stubborn failure to see the rising danger, you will one day rue missing this chance. Time is short now. Work to solve, not to calcify the differences.
Dear Augustine,
I commend you on your last posting – it was very well said.
My hopes, however, are fading away…
@ Augustine,
I commend you to Augustine, I had you figured all wrong, you are good man with a good heart.
Better than most.
God bless.
That last post was one of the best I ever read, on breaking down the Zionist wall of division, they have spread through all Christian denominations.
I just get so tired of them saying the Mary apparitions were of Satan, the church is of Satan. We support homosexuals and pedophiles, I have heard it all on here, and I grow weary and tired of their constant bigotry.
DWC
Hi DWC,
Would you consider my latest post here on this thread, as bigotry?
If yes, provide at least some kind of support to this.
Regarding the Apparitions, thank God the matter has stopepd comming up. But when it did, it was first mentioned by someone else and not me.
Just to add here, again repeating my self, I don’t consider you bad people. If we we lived closer, I’d happily buy you lunch and treat you respectfully.
My main issue arises when some Catholic ideas are presented as truth, when they are not. That’s as far as this goes.
Stav
Dear Augustine,
I was raised and still am connected by family to non Orthodox people. I am not born and bread Greek, hidden within my shell knowing nothing of the other side.
I am happy to get any help with fighting the JWO, by anyone, even non-Christians. That’s not the point here however, at least when I’m talking about this.
My point was to say, that if you want to be ultimately effective, you need to be ultimately right. And as far as I am concerned Orthodoxy is right.
I wish for unification. I think what is happening today with the various churches, is very very sad to say the least.
Your intentions are commendable. I cannot fault them.
But, this is where I disagree: At some point, sooner or later, dogma must be addressed. There is simply no other way.
When you baptised your Children, in the Orthodox Church, your kids must have had a godparent. And this godparent, would have had to recite the Nicene Creed, as composed and used by the Orthodox.
This is not a typical tradition. This is to make sure that correct dogma is established and assured, BEFORE acceptance into the Church occurs.
Our Holy Fathers who have produced the text and rite of the Holy Mystery of Baptism, just like with everything else, have put things int he correct order.
First, correct dogma comes, and then, acceptance.
Now, based on this order, the same must occur with unification. Correct Dogma, must be established and accepted, before re-acceptance can be valid.
I am not saying that it would not be great to re-unite. I am not abandoning all hope. I am merely stating the obvious.
Even in the other various denominations, their various dogmas have to be checked in some way and assured of understanding of them, before acceptance is made. In some protestant communities, one may simply be asked if they accept Jesus Christ as their saviour. In the Catholic communities, one may be required to attend some kind of catechesis or introduction.
So, while it’s easy to see that the doctrinal issues are a huge stumbling block towards unification, and thereby it is only natural to think of way to avoid this huge stumbling block, unfortunately, it does not make complete sense to push it aside.
You say you have heard of many Orthodox talk about this. But what do you have to say about my proof in my previous post? Is it not true, that doctrinal changes can change one’s theology dramatically?
And based on that, is it not prudent, to make sure that at least, beliefs and theology are matched completely before attempting unification?
Does it not make sense, to believe that if this does not occur, only more problems can be expected in the future? These are practical questions and issues, they are not exclusively the considerations of the Orthodox.
If you want to unite two groups, with different charters or rules, does there not need to be some kind of reconciliation before reunification happens? Is it not prudent for people to know each other’s beliefs, before they join forces officially in general? If, yes, then why ignore this when it comes to the churches?
Just trying to present reason.
May Jesus Christ our Lord bless all of us!
Stav
I am so sorry that you are being subjected to such hatred and threats, by the evil Zionists and government agents, Brother Nate. You are surely following in the footsteps of our Lord, Jesus Christ.
DWC… what, you don’t want to strangle me now and shove the fraud science down my throat?
See what loving the false god of fraud science will do to you?
All is forgiven… just do me a favor… search “Irving Dardik” and see who is on the side of extending the Cold Fusion fraud.
And if Kalif is out there somewhere, there’s a lesson for you in all this too.
@ Augustine (Auggie)
“All is forgiven… just do me a favor… search “Irving Dardik” and see who is on the side of extending the Cold Fusion fraud.
And if Kalif is out there somewhere, there’s a lesson for you in all this too.” – Augustine
Sometimes, I can get excited, I don’t care about the energy arguments, you made a lot good points on the consolidation of not only Christianity, but we need it with our Muslim brothers too. As you said, to Stav, let’s not alienate (Kalif) a billion Muslims, that is the Zionist Jew’s game. 🙂
Stav:
My apologies, I did not mean you, or KC. There are several others, I will not give their names, that use this site, as a free attack on the Catholic church, it’s people, and push their dogma, and a GOA (Greek Orthodox Agenda). If I want that, I will go to “Real Greek Orthodox News” when Georgios starts it, he can send me coupons.
I for one don’t care! I don’t practice Roman Catholicism, and as Augustine stated, it needs reform and help, not one last death blow, LIKE THE ZIONIST WANTS.
God speed, my Greek and Dutch friend Stav, like I am half Dutch, and Irish, (where I get my temper Augustine).
DWC
PS Augustine,
I had a friend when young, his name was Augustus, and that or Augustine, for Italians they use the name “Auggie” for short. Can I call you “Auggie?”
The followers of Mohammed are our natural allies against the Khazari.
They respect and honor Jesus and His Mother.
They understand the lies and the evil that Satan’s people are.
We need all 6 billion on our side. The 50 million on the other side are dangerous enough.
The Madagascar Plan…
Could it be that the only way for World peace is to quarantine the troublemaking Neocons and their Allies?
Time to dust off the Madagascar Plan.
Perhaps the Kenyans will agree to take Barky back, too.
Stav,
If times were normal, it wouldn’t matter.
Times aren’t normal.
Think of it this way, did you ever hear of Isandlwhana?
The Zulu wiped out over a thousand of Chelmsford’s men that day. How did it happen? The British regulars had Martini-Henry rifles… the Zulus had spears.
Again, how did it happen? Procedures.
The ammunition was not distributed to the men fast enough, as the quartermaster adhered to his procedures, and limited ammunition supply.
400,000 rounds of ammo were captured that day by the Zulu. Enough to have saved the lives of the 1000+ British Force.
Dogma… I agree, it’s important, just like procedures are important.
But there’s a time to say, the Enemy is Within the Gates!
Break out the Ammo. Join Forces. You can tell us later how right you were.
Evanscience quote
*Whether Jesus Christ has suffered for three or nine hours…..*
It matters EXACTLY how long Christ hung on the cross, and I just proved to you it was SIX hours, smart arse so why stir up trouble with that sicko retort?
Weren’t you the one strumming for respect for others religious opinions?
@ Augustine (Auggie)
“The followers of Mohammed are our natural allies against the Khazari.”
They respect and honor Jesus and His Mother.”
Glad you agree.
DWC