The Difference Between Putin And Obama
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THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
PUTIN AND OBAMA
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“A GREAT LEADER ATTRACTS GREAT PEOPLE AND HOLDS THEM TOGETHER,” said Von Goethe at the close of the 18th Century.
As we begin the 21st Century, two leaders in the public eye, Vladimir Putin, Prime Minister of Russia, and Barack Obama, President of the United States of America, are vying for world wide recognition. The difference between the two heads of state is strikingly dissimilar if not poles apart.
For instance, on April 4, 2010, Vladimir Putin brought his co-leader, Dimitri Medvedev, along with state photographers, to Easter Sunday services in Moscow, joining 4 million Russians in celebrating the nation’s holiest day of the year.
Following the service, Putin and Medvedev appeared on National Television to “congratulate” the Russian people for “celebrating the Resurrection of Christ.” View Entire Story
Here & Here.By contrast, Barack Obama did no photo-ops on Easter Sunday…no speeches. But rather, Obama brought a cadre of journalists and photographers on April 1, 2010, to a White House Jewish Passover Seder, complete with a myriad of his Jewish staff.
Hailed as “the first Presidential Seder in America’s history,” by Haaretz and declared a “new tradition” to be observed for years to come in the White House by the New York Times, Obama joined Jewish advisers, David Axelrod, Valerie Jarrett, Eric Lesser, Susan Sher (Michelle Obama’s counsel), and Herbie Ziskend, a staff assistant to Vice President Joe Biden, to celebrate the Jewish rite. View Entire Story Here & Here. Full Seder Photos Here & Here.
As Goethe pointed out, a great leader holds people together. Vladimir Putin is doing this very thing in a resurgent Christian Russia, whose Christian roots and heritage of many generations are being reestablished in that nation’s cultural and religious life.
But in America, a ONCE CHRISTIAN nation, Obama has forsaken America’s heritage. Instead, Obama brings a Hanukkah Menorah to the White House lawn during Christmas and a Jewish Passover Seder to the Oval Room during Easter…
BEFORE MEETING WITH CLINTON at his country residence outside of Moscow on March 19, 2010, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, all smiles, surprised reporters by announcing that Russia would soon start up its nuclear reactor in the Bushehr plant in Iran.
Although the start-up has been delayed several times, the remark seemed to catch Clinton off-guard. “We think it would be premature to go forward with any project at this time because we want to send an unequivocal message to the Iranians,” she told journalists.
Sergei Lavrov, Clinton’s counterpart as Russian Foreign Minister, insisted that despite the US Secretary of State’s objections, Moscow would go through with starting up the reactor.
Although Putin told Clinton that a sanction resolution against Iran “was possible” — at the same time, (all smiles) — the Prime Minister cautioned Clinton that sanctions “do not always resolve the issue and in some cases could be counterproductive.” In other words, behind Putin’s smile, is pure steel. View Entire Story Here & Here & Here.
By way of contrast in matters of foreign affairs, US President Barack Obama, (all smiles), in June 2009, demanded that Israel “freeze” all settlements in the occupied territories.
However, after huge pressure from 16 Jewish leaders from 14 Jewish organizations, (there are thousands of them), and Israel’s recalcitrance, Obama dropped his demand only 2 months later. View Entire Story Here & Here.
In other words, behind Obama’s smile, is pure jello.
IN HIS MISSION TO BUILD A CHRISTIAN SOCIETY, on February 8, 2010, Vladimir Putin banned a fictional television series which “dramatized” the lives of Moscow schoolchildren with scenes of rebellion and depravity.
The series showed schoolchildren openly smoking and drinking beer, harassing their classmates and snubbing teachers, and even having sex.
After much public protest from parents and teachers alike, the prime minister brought the program to an end. Putin, who also blocked the American programming of The Simpsons and South Park due to their “undermining of social mores,” then advised the station to produce a positive series on school life.
Working closely with Patriarch Kirill over the past year, Putin has arranged for the prelate to anchor his own television program, hold stadium meetings with Russian youth, and introduce a wide range of new Orthodox Christian curriculum in Russia’s public schools adding to the existing courses on Orthodoxy in spite of Jewish objections.
On the anniversary of the Patriarch’s enthronement, Putin congratulated the hierarch for expanding Orthodox Christianity both in Russian society and beyond its borders:
“Under your leadership, the influence of the Russian Church is growing not only in Russia but also abroad.
The Church’s dialogue with the public in solving social ills is notably expanding and is being filled with new content.” View Entire Story Here.
In close connection with Patriarch Kirill, Putin is providing funding to restore Christian sites and the return of properties seized from the Church in Soviet times. Together, the Prime Minister and the Patriarch are building churches and monasteries throughout Russia, with a special emphasis on bringing the youth into the Orthodox Christian community.
Sadly, however, in Obama’s ‘Jewish’ America, children in public schools are being taught homosexual perversity. (The Jewish Anti Defamation League is the prime promoter.) And the Christian Church has only a marginal influence (if even that) in America’s public life.
IF EVER AMERICA NEEDED A LEADER who could attract great people and no longer hordes of Zionist Jews who flood Obama’s administration, it is now.
And if ever America needed a captain of its society to hold the people together, it MUST be decided NOT in the next election — but within the psyche of the American people themselves.
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Dear Real Zionist News Family,
Vladimir Putin in contrast to Barack Obama is like comparing a giant with a pigmy.
Or, in contrasting Putin with Obama, one may view it by comparing a General with a rank private.
As an Orthodox Christian monastic WITH the Russian Orthodox Church, I can attest that Vladimir Putin, Dimitri Medvedev his wife Svetlana, are DEVOUT Christians.
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I work in the U.S. government sector and over the past year the place has been filling up with Jews, including from Russia.
They are walking into nice 1-2 person offices with window views while I continue my 5 yr stint in a 6-person room.
I have over 25 yrs experience and in working with some of the newcomers, I realize they are not very experienced at all.
I only started to pay attention to the Jewish situation last year. It was triggered by the media blackout of a horrid black-on-white violence episode in a school bus where two black thugs pounded an unresisting autistic white kid.
No coverage. I was very disturbed and started my search, asking “Why would there be no coverage?” “Who can do that?” “Who controls the media and what is their agenda?”
After stumbling into the first layer of neo-Nazi sites and feeling shock and horror in a dawning realization that I could actually question the Holocaust too, I made it through into the “Truth” sites and have appreciated the vast panorama that has opened before me.
So I understand that there is a lot of money in the government sector nowadays and that private sector jobs are scarce. So I can see an influx of members of the tribe. I also realize that they know I’m an outsider.
Some still smile at me. I treat everyone with respect but receive very little in return. In fact, I realize my job has been made as difficult as possible and especially so recently. I’m sure they want me to choose to leave so they can fill the position with somebody in the in crowd.
My main point in writing this is to seek a better understanding of why there are many Russian Jews in America today. When the shackles of communism were shrugged off, did many flee?
Or was it time for a shift in power (apparent change but same powers behind the scenes) and those who helped oppress the Russian people want to strengthen the numbers here in the U.S. especially in government positions? (to more actively support Israel’s war agenda?)
Sorry, Brother Nathanael, but I cannot have any warm and positive regard for Vladimir Putin.
He was the chief of the KGB for about 24 years before becoming president. During that time, there was much oppression and suppression of the people and the press.
I also understand that the KGB (FSB) blew up three apartment buildings in Moscow and killed 300 people to justify the Russian attack on Chechnya.
I do not see a Christian when I look in to Putin’s pure steel eyes. And I think once a person is in the top levels of the KGB, they are always KGB in outlook and modus operandi.
Also, I love my country, the USA, and I think Putin has been trying in every way he can to make the USA look bad in the world.
Admittedly, that is not a hard thing to do, but I maintain that that is what he is doing.
Dear Brother Nathanael,
The comparative contrast between Putin and Obama seems to me like the difference between a genuinely popular and loved national leader and an actor who plays one on TV.
Thank you, Brother N – another great piece.
Jonah
California
(and Colorado bound)
http://multimedialinx.i8.com
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Puzzled –
I’ve always believed that the Fall of the Berlin Wall was just a dog and pony show for the West.
The Global gulag bankster NWO never went away.
Folllowing the strategic manipulation of the Hegelian dialectic that the Khazars love-tyranny just renamed itself to ease implementation at the Global level.
The Khazar media, and other institutions of control make sure that they keep the masses perceptions and assesments of reality in a tail spin of a psycho-babel ideologue undertow while they keep their own globalist crowd above the current in order to better manipulate the masses of goys.
Prediction – the USSA will get it’s own intense dose of a domestic NKVD in order to crush Amerika for the Global bankster agenda.
America needs a courageous leader like Putin to stand up to the globalist cabal. He’s nowhere in sight. In America, you have to be bought and controlled by the fiat money elite’s establishment before you can be traded in public as a leader.
Bro. Nate-
Your’e brilliant. Pointing out the core of the issue-poor leadership and moral decline via the Khazar agenda prevailing in America.
This article is a thought provoking restoration of Christianity in Russia FOR THE GOOD OF PUBLIC LIFE as opposed to the godless public life America is now enduring to her detriment.
If we want to see the betterment of a Nation and a people – they have to know what the good, just, and true is.
Many are denied that blessing in this Zionized politically correct era of American public life.
The Public fool system won’t let the people pray or say the 10 Commandments for fear of the Koshernostra ADL, ACLU, etc.
Martin Luther understood what the Christian West was dealing with out here. Either Christians rule or Jews do – we’ve had a Century of “Jew”/Khazar rule.
Not too fun, eh? Unless wars, inflation, bureaucracy, political correctness, and martial law are now considered to be enjoyable expenditures of time.
Puzzled
At the end of WWII hundreds of Jews, especially trained in American Universities over several years for their roles, flooded into Germany to take up their pre ordained governmental, bureaucratic and secular posts including controlling “Der Spiegel” the German newspaper.
It promulgated with many other publications like it, the six million gass-d-ed figure fable, insinuating it into a shell-shocked and therefore open to suggestion post war mass mind, in
preplanned and expert mass mind control fashion.
I suggest a similar power grab is taking place in America right now, as the Ziomasons take total control of the government.
Who now, as in post WWII Germany, is in control?
Some organization(s) that knowledgeable, with that much control then, as now, could be no less than a shadow government.
But who it is, what it is, where it is, how it is…. these are not questions they print answers to and drop them as leaflets from planes.
America better take control of its National Shrine in Washington from the Ziomasonic infiltrators, and have the statue of Our Lady of the Americas installed as per Our Lady’s 1958 request.
And now, not later, in order to solve its Ziomasonic problem, which is death, destruction, enslavement both there and worldwide, both physical and spiritual on an unimaginable scale, instead of worrying about the spiritual welfare of other countries.
In brief I could simply paraphrase what the article says.
Putin is a man of his own making, his own objectives and his own initiatives. He is struggling to steer his nation away from the destruction wrought on to it by its Jewish tyrants.
Obama is a goose.
No brains, only smiles and chuckles. He is there to obtain glory as long as his Zionist minders “confirm” him in the presidency – and he conforms to their will. He is allowing his nation to become another “Red” Communist Jewish-controlled nation.
Putin is almost like a Joseph who rises up as a leader in Egypt, out of slavery, and then draws his brothers into Egypt.
Obama is like Benjamin who though free in the hands of Jacob, and could have remained so, had Joseph not been sold off to slavery, is now becoming a hostage, a subordinate, in the hands of Putin.
Puzzled,
Puzzle no more – 80% of government defense contracts go to those who say they are Jews.
Mr. Texe Marrs has a CD that will explain the situation: Zio-mammonism it’s called.
Read Bamford’s The Puzzle Palace about the NSA, too, and his outstanding book Shadow Factory. A review is here:
http://trollcams1984.tripod.com/BAMFORDS.HTM
And Ted pike at http://www.truthtellers.org has just posted an article called “Is Israel Wiretapping America?”
Is a pig’s rump pork? Is pork Kosher? Is fire hot?
Just ask the lying two-faced phoney Pharisees, chief priests of Judaism, and the Sanhedrin of old, who sought false testimony so that they could have Jesus Christ put to torture and death; they should know about fire’s hotness in Hell where they most likely are, unless, by the grace of Jesus Christ, they repented.
Now, it is a commandment, is it not, that one should not bear false witness?
And what’s more, the decency and uprightness of that principle will not be denied even by decent people who are not of the good faith in Jesus Christ, yet these Pharisees sought people to bear false witness against no less a personage than Jesus Christ, so what does this say about their traditions, which, as Jesus said, make the word of God of no effect?
For they say in the Talmud, according to Michael A. Hoffman, that they did right to kill Jesus Christ, an innocent man, who, even if He were not innocent, would not justify their bearing false witness.
Does this explain whom Jesus spoke of when he castigated those elders whose traditions make the word of God of no avail?
So, Puzzled, be puzzled no more after you read this:
http://www.talmudunmasked.com
Puzzled, rejoice and be exceedingly happy because Jesus Christ your greatly beloved Saviour did not lie!
“Also, I love my country, the USA…”
Maybe you love the IDEAL of what America should have been.
Surely you cannot love the REALITY that Amerika has become.
I wish we had a leader like Putin.
True leaders always fight their way to the top, they don’t get placed by Jewish masters.
Putin worries when his popularity rating drops below 70%. The Russian people support their leader.
He rules, in my book.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE HERE???????
Putin’s Judo Partners Make Forbes List of Russia’s Richest
By Sergei Smirnov
Vedomosti
MOSCOW — Forbes on Friday published the Russian part of the magazine’s 2010 global billionaires list, which, for the first time, saw the entry of Boris and Arkady Rotenberg, friends of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.
The number of dollar billionaires on this year’s list nearly doubled from last year’s, rising to 62 people from 32. Capping the list is Vladimir Lisin, head of Novolipetsk Steel, with a net worth of $15.8 billion, giving him 32nd place in the worldwide ranking.
Lisin is followed by Onexim owner Mikhail Prokhorov ($13.4 billion), Alfa Group co-owner Mikhail Fridman ($12.7 billion), Roman Abramovich ($11.2 billion) and Basic Element owner Oleg Deripaska ($10.7 billion).
The Rotenberg brothers, who used to practice judo with Putin, entered the list for the first time, taking the 99th and 100th places, with a net worth of $700 million each.
The Rotenbergs’ best-known asset is SMP Bank: Each brother owns 36.84 percent of the bank, which has revenues of at least $3 billion per year, according to Forbes’ information.
The only woman on the list is Inteko president Yelena Baturina, whose net worth reached $2.8 billion from $900 million the year earlier.
Ten Russian businessmen have increased their wealth by at least $5 billion, with Mechel shareholder Igor Zyuzin holding the record for the biggest yearly increase — his wealth jumped 5.4 times to $6.4 billion.
Exiled oligarch Boris Berezovsky didn’t make it into the top 100 for the first time since 2004: The minimum level of wealth in this year’s list was $700 million.
Maxim Kashulinsky, chief editor of the Russian-language edition of Forbes, said the fortunes of 64 of the richest 100 Russians included industrial assets dating back to Soviet times, Reuters reported.
Some billionaires, such as LUKoil president Vagit Alekperov and Magnitogorsk Iron & Steel owner Viktor Rashnikov — ranked sixth and ninth, respectively — joined the financial elite when these assets were privatized.
But Forbes said only 12 on its list made their fortunes this way. Others began as small-scale entrepreneurs.
Any person can have a “sea change” in his personality under the right circumstances.
Yes, Putin was in the KGB. But he is now in a position to battle the Zionist Jews who destroyed his country and to rebuild Russia. Putin is the right man for the job because his toughness and courage make him MORE THAN A MATCH for the Zionist Jews.
I know how tough, evil, and cunning the Zionist Jews are. They destroyed me before I even knew who was doing it. And they continue because they hold sway in the USA now. But they are losing.
They HAVE LOST in Russia, and Putin is the reason why. He is NOT afraid of them.
God bless Vladimir Putin!
A quick timeline bio on PM Putin.
http://www.npr.org/news/specials/putin/biotimeline.html
He was not “head of the KGB for twenty-four years,” but rather a low and mid-level officer in East Germany, for the most part from the early 80’s until the mid-90’s.
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Putin’s Career Rooted in Russia’s KGB (excerpts).
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/russiagov/putin.htm
..But while Putin has promised to keep Russia on a market path, his critics worry about his commitment to Russia’s young democracy. [Hindsight being 20/20, the Chicago economic school of “democracy,” rule by Soros-backed “shock-doctrine” did not work out so well for Russia, did it?]
The institutions of a broad civil society – the press, political parties, free associations and others – are not yet well developed [as of 2000].
The rule of law has not been well entrenched. And these weaknesses are, in part, a legacy of the Soviet police state of Putin’s early career, when the Communist Party had a monopoly on power.
In a long, private talk recently with the Moscow PEN writers group, Putin tried to evade [“evade” according to the Jew-owned WaPo and a Jewish reporter. Read through the whole piece, Putin is evading nothing about the] question of the KGB’s role in the Soviet system’s legacy of terror.
Referring to the Stalin-era purges, in which millions were sent to prison camps and death, Putin said, according to a transcript, “Of course, one must not forget about the year 1937, but one must not keep alluding to only this experience, pretending that we do not need state security bodies [such as the civilian FSB. Ideally, no one should need any state security, but this ain’t heaven. What about the CIA, Mossad, etc?].
“All the 17 years of my work are connected with this organization. It would be insincere for me to say that I don’t want to defend it.” [He devoted his life to national security as a patriot. He is defending this, not defending the KGB carte blanche. Putin fully understood the need for radical reforms under the Russian Federation.]
Putin then went on to offer a strangely oblique explanation for the Great Terror, which seemed to avoid blaming the KGB. [More Jew-owned bias and innuendo slanting the context and poisoning the content, and western translations sometimes leave a lot to be desired.]
“The state security bodies should not be seen as an institution that works against society and the state; one needs to understand what makes them work against their own people.
“If one recollects those hard years connected with the activities of the security bodies, and the damage they brought to society, one must keep in mind what sort of society it was [because of the damage wrought]. But that was an entirely different country. That country [the Soviet Union] produced such security bodies.”
[…as the NKVD and the KGB. How much plainer does it get? Putin in 2000 tacitly acknowledges and repudiates the evils that were done by the old militarized KGB, but he was not about to open the door to the same guilt-treatment the Germans have been receiving for generations over the “Nazis.”]
He added, however, that if Russia will “treasure elements of civil society that we have got, our only gain over these years, then gradually we will be creating conditions under which those horrifying bodies of security will never be able to revive.”
[As an aside, as I recall how it went, when Putin was elected president in 2000, he and his family spent three days…in secluded retreat at a monastery.
Not exactly the Jew-pandering frat party held at the Kremlin that we in Amerika are supposed to now respect and appreciate in our own White House with the travelling Jew showman presenting the black-faced minstrel show.]
I’m going to be brief because I am exhausted.
I am with the Russian Orthodox Church and Vladimir Putin is a fellow parishioner. We both partake from the same cup.
I recently had lunch with the chief hierarch of our Russian Church who has been to Russia many times. I was with many of his priests and deacons for the chief hierarch’s birthday lunch.
He himself has met Putin personally and so has his secretary.
I also met with the chief hierarch’s private secretary who ALSO has been to Russia many times and also has met with Putin on a number of occasions.
I can ASSURE all readers of Real Zionist News and this article that VLADIMIR PUTIN IS THE REAL THING!
Vladimir Putin is a devout Orthodox Christian and his people LOVE HIM. And so do I…
Vladimir Putin IS doing MUCH to build a Christian society in Russia. It will take time for Russia is just getting off of its knees after 70 years of Jewish bolshevisim.
Brother Nathanael Kapner
Russian Orthodox monastic
That is true, Russia needs time and there are tons of things to fix.
But the good side is that we have all we need, we have the true Church and hopefully more people will return. But if Russians neglect their faith for too long, I’m sure there will be consequences, because our Church is true and we will suffer more because of the knowledge we have, I think…
I did not like Putin before I was Christian. But now I respect him just because he is standing up for Christians, who were oppressed for so long.
All the while the West just stayed back and did nothing, didn’t help much, even in the 90’s (except flooding Russia with all kinds of weird sects, pseudo-Christians, Baptists etc. who insult the Orthodox, and totalitarian).
So as usual we have to rely on our strengths.
Russia is a country that can be negotiated with, unlike Israel, and progress and peace with Russia is possible, but its impossible with Israel.
The latter is just in a continuous war that never ends.
What is the purpose creating this site?
Why not take a step further, dare to form an organization to go against those Jewish Cartels?
Goldman Sachs, Rubin, Lehman, etc. they all should be in jail, yet the people just too powerless and let them all free!
“The difference between the two heads of state is strikingly dissimilar if not poles apart.”
Is that a pun there Brother Nathan? From the looks of things, it might be a great one if so. It may be disinfo, I’ll be watching the story develop and especially with a view to debunking it, but it does seem the Russians may just have pulled a MOSSAD on the Poles.
I’m sorry to see politics being done this way if so, but on the other hand seeing the elites getting knocked off for regime change rather than thousands or millions of ordinary people is a better option anyway. Pity about the guy who took the video though.
gazbom.blogspot.com/2010/04/guy-who-filmed-shots-fired-at-polish.html
Anyway, you probably didn’t mean it, but I enjoyed the pun and agree that Putin and Obama are “Poles apart”
I arrest Mr Obama, George Bush, and the entire bureaucracy and government involved in any way with the invasions of Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan and for terrorism against the people of Iran.
I arrest the leaders and decision makers of the Israeli government and military for its acts of terror, torture and genocide in Palestine.
This is a citizens arrest. The citizen has the ultimate power.
You are HEREBY UNDER ARREST!
Another blow to the Jewish Orange Revolution (I bet George Soros is not very happy).
In a dramatic sign of improving ties, Moscow and Kiev on Wednesday agreed to extend the lease on a Russian naval base in the Crimea in exchange for a 30% cut in gas prices for Ukraine.
The documents were signed following negotiations between Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and his Ukrainian counterpart Viktor Yanukovych.
The lease agreement extends Russian naval presence in the port of Sevastopol for 25 years after the current lease expires in 2017, and may be further extended by another five years.
Medvedev stressed the importance of the base as key to regional security and vowed assistance in developing Sevastopol’s socio-economic infrastructure in an effort to promote public relations and improve the Russian Navy’s image.
“I will instruct the defense minister and the Black Sea Fleet commander to draft an agreement on the participation of our base in the socio-economic development of Sevastopol,” Medvedev said.
http://en.rian.ru/world/20100421/158691069.html
Georgian opposition intends to create ‘Georgian lobby’ in Russia
Georgian opposition leaders will travel to Russia on Thursday to meet with Russian officials, opposition representatives and those of the Georgian diaspora in a bid to create a “Georgian lobby in Russia.”
The leaders of Georgia’s People’s Party and Conservative Party, Koba Davitashvili and Kakha Kukava, are among those expected to visit Russia, along with other representatives of the country’s National Council. The council comprises several opposition parties, including of the ‘For a Fair Georgia’ public movement led by former prime minister Zurab Nogaideli.
“We are travelling [to Russia] to discuss issues of the country’s unification. We will not discuss the country’s interior affairs. We are going to create a public opinion, to create a Georgian lobby in Russia,” Davitashvili said.
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20100422/158692554.html
Another ROSE revolution is coming to an end soon.
Speaking of failed Rose Revolutions –
The following “Fake Russian Invasion of Georgia” is a classic redux of Orson T. Wells 1938 radio broadcast of War of the Worlds which then panicked a good portion of the American people terrified they were being invaded by Martians.
Only this time, [foolishly] “a television station in Georgia triggered a panic when it broadcast a mock half-hour report about a Russian invasion of the country.”
Even his grace, Patriarch Ilia II of the Orthodox Church of Georgia was moved to choice words out of outrage condemning this folly.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/03/14/georgia.invasion.scare/index.html?eref=edition
On Saturday night, the pro-government Imedi TV in Georgia broadcast what it called a “simulation” of what a fresh invasion would look like. And the broadcast ended with a note that the events in it were not real.
However, the show did not run any on-screen notes during the half-hour broadcast to alert viewers that what they were watching was not real. Consequently many were alarmed.
The show used archives sound bites from Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, as well as footage of Georgians fleeing the 2008 conflict.
Throughout the show, the anchor provided “updates” that Russian forces had bombed the airport in the Georgian capital, Tbilisi, and a military base in the country.
It reported that four Georgians had been killed and six wounded near South Ossetia.
About two hours later, the station began scrolling a text, apologizing for spreading panic among viewers.
Manana Manjgaladze, the spokeswoman for Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili, also made an unexpected live appearance at Imedi’s studio to apologize to viewers for the false alarm.
Patriarch Ilia II, the leader of the Georgian Orthodox Church, condemned the fake report.
“This kind of experiment is a crime to our people and to humanity,” he said in a sermon before thousands of worshippers at Sunday Mass in Tbilisi’s Holy Trinity Cathedral.
[…]
[Hand the “democratically elected” Dictator [correction President] of Georgia another tie to chew on.
No wonder the leaders of Georgia’s People Party and Conservative Party are hoping to form a “Georgian lobby in Russia.” The Georgians need to talk to someone saner than their own U$$A-backed government, the IDF & Mossad for national security, and Soros’ Open Society yellow journalism methods.]
Dear Bro Nathanael:
Why not cover also about Soros who has stolen money around the world?
As an Indonesian, I am one of the victims when the Asian crisis hit. The Indonesian people have been dragged to poverty and some below poverty, and many died.
Soros should be in jail. This world is really injustice.
Soros, World Bank, the IMF, Goldman Sach, Rubin (who used and almost wiped out Citibank) should be indicted for their agenda to impoverish people around the world.
I should have been compensated!
Dear Brother Nathanael,
The Russian Prime Minister has my respect, but not an invitation to put troops on American soil under any circumstances.
This is my answer to the provocative challenge made by Paul Drockton:
http://moneyteachers.org/Stalin.Putin.htm
In my understanding, Stalin departed from the Bolshevik Western Money Power at a certain point, earning him a distinction as an “anti-Semitic” dictator. It is generally regarded as factual that under Stalin’s leadership the focus shifted from “workers of the world unite” to “communism in one country”.
Hence, I question whether Russia as a nationalist sort of socialist dictatorship under Putin has any aim to acquire American territory. It seems not, since they already have land galore.
Will Russia presume to muscle America to pay up for a quadrillion dollars in derivatives contracts, a sort of Versaille Treaty for post-collapse America? We’ll just have to see.
As I have already stated, I believe that the “Beast” will burn “The Great Harlot” as it seems to be stated in Revelations 17. I believe this will be a pre-emptive attack to disrupt Zionist encirclement on the Eurasian super-continent by Zionist military bases, particularly threatening to the strategic energy reserves of Eurasian powers. Whether this will be anything Russia can avoid, considering the provocation, I also question.
I will forgive the Russians who must invade, but fight them nonetheless. Surrender and they will get quarter as Christians. And if God should bless Putin the man, then so be it. But I will consider that a private matter for him, and not a coronation by the divine right of kings, nor an Orthodox Christian article of faith.
Peace in Christ.
You will notice that Putin does not hate Jews. He hates CRIMINAL Jews.
Perhaps the Jews listed are not criminals.
Dear Michael K –
This link you provided has NO PROOF that Putin is going to invade American territories.
The information is TOTALLY unfounded and displays TOTAL IGNORANCE of the realities of Russian policy and history and affairs.
One MUST be steeped in Russian history, Russian Orthodoxy, Byzantine/Russian history, Byzantine tradition of Church and State, to UNDERSTAND Putin. I do not think Drocton even comes close.
The assertion is absolutely absurd…
+Brother Nathanael
Michael K,
Drockton is – forgive me but I must say it…
A MORON!
If Drockton is a real Christian – then I’m an Eskimo! (Hint: I’m NOT an Eskimo.)
Pure disinfo if you ask me…
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Dear Brother Nathanael, Prodigal Son:
I don’t think Mr. Drockton deserves to be referred to as a “moron.” I brought his article to the attention of the respected readers of this site because I believe that his statements ought to be rebutted, but only in the spirit of good faith.
Paul Drockton has been working tirelessly to expose wickedness and corruption in high places and deserves the credit due to such work. I don’t agree with everything Paul says, but I doubt that he aims to ‘disinform.’
One claim he made which I am curious about the basis for is that, “Western leaders have already capitulated to Russia and China.” It would seem to me as if there may be partial truth in this with the transfer of so much political leverage to China in the form of debt and manufacturing, but what specific proof will he offer to illustrate this claim in the case of Russia?
I see truth in Drockton’s analysis that spiritually, brutal ‘Assyria’ falls upon those weakened by the excesses of licentious ‘Babylon’. What form this will actually take in the future is still a mystery to me. However, he may be intuitively sensing what will follow on the heels of a ‘jello’ presidency quite accurately.
I hope that it will be abundantly clear that my goal is dialog with Russia in the spirit of Christian brotherhood, with them on their continent and us on ours. Unfortunately, Zionist Bolsheviks in positions of power in America have placed our soldiers and Marines on their doorstep.
I see Russia as a target of Zionist attack in any WW III scenario I can contemplate. On the other hand I can’t see Russian interests being advanced by invading America unless we make that the only path to victory for them in a total war of annihilation.
In any event, thank you for your rebuttals. I hope some other intelligent comments on the subject grace our website. Maybe Paul Drockton needs to know that we aren’t a fan club for anything Russia wants to do, nor are we contemplating treason. Rather, we promote genuine understanding of the hope and humanity of Russia.
The Peace of Christ be with You.
Dear Michael K –
I NEVER called Paul Drocton a “moron.”
I simply stated that he does not have a clue in even beginning to understand Russia.
I myself have studied AND CONTINUE to study Russia EVERY SINGLE DAY of my life.
I have studied under the highly esteemed professor of Russian studies of Georgetown University, Dr Eugene Magerovsky, who taught me the SUBTLETIES of Russian foreign and domestic policies. Has Drocton ever studied with anyone on the subject? I DOUBT IT.
You quote Drocton as saying that Western leaders have fallen to Putin. This is stupid. Acutually, the link you provided on Drocton piece, and I looked at his article: IT IS AN ASININE Article.
Europe is DEPENDENT on GAZPROM and the pipelines bringing that gas to Europe. (But this does not mean they have “fallen” to Putin.) I have covered this WITH FACTS in many of my Putin and Russian articles. I DON’T make STUPID generalizations dear Michael in ANY OF MY ARTICLES — BUT — BACK ALL MY ***SPECIFIC*** ASSERTIONS WITH FACTS!
Drocton compares Putin with Stalin. HE SIMPLY DOES NOT UNDERSTAND RUSSIAN POLITICS! Nor does he understand Putin and WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND Putin. One MUST BE AN ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN to understand Vladimir Putin who KNOWS Russian history and Byzantine Empire history. Period! And I STUDY them both, DAILY. Period!
My bishops, my priests, my friends in the Russian Orthodox Church travel to Russia CONSTANTLY.
My bishop and priest friends have met with Putin, Lavrov, and various government officials and they tell me FIRST HAND what is going on.
Besides this, I have MANY CONTACTS within Russia.
I recently spoke with the secretary of the chief hierarch for our Russian Church after his extended visit to Russia. He Told me MOST EMPHATICALLY and FACTUALLY, that he MET many politicians in the provinces that Putin appointed BECAUSE they were ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS. Now, who does Obama appoint for anthing? JEWS> JEWS> JEWS! CHRIST HATING, LYING JEWS!
Right Now, I AM A “FAN CLUB” of EVERYTHING that Putin and Medvedev does. There are NO OTHER LEADERS in the world that can EVEN COMPARE TO THESE GIANTS. And, THEY ARE DEVOUT ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS who are BUILDING a CHRISTIAN SOCIETY in Russia! I LOVE THEM BOTH and I PRAY FOR THEM BOTH — DAILY!
AS A MEMBER OF THE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH, my knowledge, my understanding of Russian autocracy, (JEWS TAKE OVER IN A DEMOCRACY) who do you trust for TRUE FACTS about Russia? Me or Paul Drocton?
+Brother Nathanael Kapner
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Dear Real Zionist News Family –
I sometimes am ready to pull my hair out by people’s LACK OF UNDERSTANDING of the Russian situation and their leaders.
But, I have to accept people’s ignorance (such as evidenced in Paul Drocton’s stupid and absolutely ABSURD piece on Putin) in failing to comprehend a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MIND SET, a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT HISTORY, than that of the JEW-INSPIRED West.
ON ANOTHER NOTE –
I am CONTINUING My Street Evangelism here in Summit County Colorado – the heart of the Ski and Summer resorts and am reaching many both residents and tourists who come here from ALL OVER THE WORLD.
But, I have decided, DUE TO THE CONTINUAL POLICE HARRASSMENT that I will not travel any longer UNTIL I get a clear signal from Christ to do so.
I am contemplating and praying about building a monastery here in Summit County in the beautiful Rocky Mts.
But I will need a benefactor(s) to donate land and construction. Once the monastery is built, as in Orthodox tradition, we would be self supporting.
I would CONTINUE my work on OUR site, Real Zionist News, and Street Evangelism as well. I just would like a place of worship and monastic life HERE IN MY HOME TOWN.
There is MUCH WORK yet to be done. I sense that Christ IS going to use me in a GREATER WAY, but I must WAIT ON HIM for direction.
I also SENSE (I have the photo next to my sleeping mat) that CHRIST is GOING TO AVENGE the JEW-MURDER of the Russian Imperial Family, the Czar Nicholas II, his Czarina Alexandria AND THEIR PRECIOUS ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN children.
I simply must wait on Christ for HIS Guidance and Direction.
In the mean time MORE Real Zionist News articles are in the works and Coming on a REGULAR basis.
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Sometimes Paul Drockton has something of interest up, but that’s usually when he hosts someone else or is involved in local activism.
He loses me everytime I see him start harping on about China and Russia. I put it down to the upbringing he’s had, in which both were reviled and treated as such enemies of mankind he has a lot further to come to realise they were not the aggressors in recent history.
The only way there will ever be Russian troops on US soil, is if the US loses a war it starts with Russia.
Why not my comment about the plane crash goes up Brother Nathanael? I appreciate the somewhat less savoury aspect, we don’t like to see our side being naughty. If we’re to rise above the Jewish mindset which refuses to accept any fault for its own then we need to at least not be afraid to gaze upon the less savoury truths.
In this case I can see the obvious conclusion and accept it without losing any respect for Putin, who I admire on a relative basis at least. As a Christian I realise that murder is abhorent to you, but Putin is a president of a country involved in covert warfare which I doubt is of his making. If they did the Polish thing then what it comes down to is “regime change” and as I said, I’d prefer this way than the US way of doing that thanks.
Of course it may turn out to be disinfo from the usual suspects, but I have a feeling it isn’t.
That video with the apparent gunshots is pretty solid.
Dear readers of real Zionist news,
I congratulate you all on this site and the news you bring. Mr Putin has had my admiration for a long time, he will always put his people first.
As to the imagined ‘threat’ of Iran to Israel, it is my belief that the Israel Govt is becoming a tad schizophrenic. The eternal sufferers, have placed the Palestinians into the largest prison on earth. They will be held as ransom ensuring NO ATTACK will come from Iran.
The good news is that Fatah and Hamas are uniting together at last, the Israeli Govt has tried to keep them fighting among themselves as an insurance policy for Israeli domination.
I urge you to have a look at http://www.adelaideinstitute.com.au
To Brother Nathanael,
You stated:
“I also SENSE (I have the photo next to my sleeping mat) that CHRIST is GOING TO AVENGE the JEW-MURDER of the Russian Imperial Family, the Czar Nicholas II, his Czarina Alexandria AND THEIR PRECIOUS ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN children.”
I hope so. I sincerely hope so.
The blessed royal family and the precious blood of their children cries out for justice.
Yes. Jesus Christ is the only fitting person to do this.
I will join you in prayer and say, “come, Lord Jesus, quickly.”
And THAT COMING, Dear Suzanne, is a DIVINE VISITATION of RETRIBUTION on the JEWS, their LIES, their COVER UPS of the MOST HEINOUS CRIME IN HISTORY:
The JEW MURDER Of the Russian Imperial Family in 1918.
The blood of Princess Anastasia and her sisters and Precious Orthodox Christian future Czar CRIES OUT FOR DIVINE RETRIBUTION.
Come, Lord Jesus, COME! AND pour out your retribution on the CHRIST HATING JEWS who STILL affirm the murder of the Russian Imperial Family!
Please Read My Article: “Jews Murdered The Russian Royal Family” @
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?cat=96
+Brother Nathanael
Russian Orthodox Christian
Dear Rabbit –
Where is your comment on the Polish plane crash? I never saw it and because of my total exhaustion I asked someone else to moderate for a while.
Please post it again and I will MAKE SURE that it goes through. +BN
This article has given me hope for the future, for my children, ages 6 and 8.
I see America going down the drain more and more everyday.
Unless there is some revolution or massive turn around, America is going the way of the dodo.
Because of our open borders policy they are saying in 2042 the US will be a Mexican majority area, that is to say, just another Estado in the Estados Unidos Mexicanos.
Having visited Mexico myself and seen the level of civilization, I couldn’t wish that on my dog.
My kids are already learning Russian using the “Rosetta Stone” software.
When they’re grown up America will be a hell hole and they THANKS TO VLADIMIR PUTIN will have a great future in Russia.
I’m so happy to write this that there are tears in my eyes.
My children will be living in a moral and racially safe environment in the country that will rule the world. I am so relieved!
On the Poland Plane Crash & Putin –
The president of Poland was a NATO Leaning politician. THAT is very dangerous when the nation next to you is ANTI NATO Russia, AND FOR GOOD REASON!
Is Putin involved in Regime change in Russia?
An “informed reader” who has HUNCHES is NOT evidence of anything as is now posted on Dr Makow’s site. (He and I are friends but DISAGREE on Putin and Russia.)
Now suppose Putin is involved in Regime Change in Poland. Is that such a bad thing? (I do NOT condone murder but so far, it is NOT proven that Putin had anything to do with it.)
Poland has been JEW loving, JEW-WEST loving for too long. It IS time for a REGIME CHANGE in Poland! +BN
HERE IS A COMMENT ON HENRY MAKOW’S ARTICLE:
Dear Dr Henry Makow,
An “informed reader” may have some ‘hunches” as he admits, but “hunches” are inadmissible in a court of evidence. Give me some facts please that Russia is engineering a regime change in Poland.
It surely may be true, (and I hope that it is), that Russia is engineering a regime change in Poland, BUT, I have no facts of this being the case and neither does your “informed reader” with his “hunches.”
And what’s so bad about a “regime change” in Poland? Poland has been cozy with the Zionist-controlled West for TOO long.
Indeed, it would be a boon to many if there IS a “regime change” in Poland that moves from its Zionist-centered base.
Please see my article, “Poland’s Zionist/US Missile Shield Dilemma” @
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=284
+Brother Nathanael Kapner
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Michael K.
My apologies to you & Mr. Drockton for calling him a moron. That was a bit harsh.
I don’t pretend to understand Russian politics very well… but I have been on a lot of Russian messageboards and I do know that many, MANY Russian citizens still see Stalin as something of a hero.
I won’t pretend to understand that fact… But it is a fact. They also still have a lot of animosity towards Hitler from WWII & Germany in general, and they believe Stalin led them to defeat the Nazis – who they had been told intended to conquer all of the U.S.S.R.
All I can surmise is that if we think we’ve been subjected to a lot of propaganda – imagine how much those of the former Soviet state have had drilled into their head!
Re: Drockton’s site…
He DOES NOT call out the Pharisees! He does NOT name the ‘Jew’!
He’s all ‘Illuminati’ & ‘Nazi Masons’, etc…
Anyone who examines 9/11 & money issues and doesn’t come out of it naming the Pharisees and Israel is either (again – forgive me!) a moron or a complete disinfo agent.
Anyone who talks about ‘Nazi Masons’ and promotes Alex Jones’ garbage is immediately suspect to me.
It could be just me – but there’s just an air of ‘Jewey-ness’ around this guy somehow… Nothing concrete I can put my finger on – but it’s there.
Anyhow, I do hope I haven’t offended you Michael K… because I have much respect for you and I think your demeanor is quite commendable.
†IC XC†
†NI KA†
Dear Prodigal and Michael K –
I too have MUCH respect for Michael K and I am reacting MORE to Drocton’s STUPID article on Putin than to our dear Michael K – a REGULAR and VERY VALUABLE Contributer to OUR site, Real Zionist News.
@ Prodigal
I really do NOT know ANY Russians who have a favorable attitude toward Stalin.
ANY patriotic feeling towards Stalin by Russian is CENTERED on the former Soviet BLOC, and NOT his policies.
This is why Putin has often said that the dismantling of the former Soviet Union was a great Russian tragedy.
NOT that Putin has any love for Communism HE DOES NOT and has STATED THE OPPOSITE many times (you won’t read about this in the JEW OWNED Press Which FEARS PUTIN.)
He stated this BECAUSE the dismantling BROUGHT IN THE JEW TAKEOVER! +bn
Dear MichaelK ,
On my “conservative” opinion, many things when I play keyboard conspiracy crime scene investigator, I try to keep with the advice my old field training officer kept hammering into my head, as his version of Occam’s Razor:
The ‘KISS Principle’ – “Keep it simple, stupid. Start with the basics, follow procedures, work with the facts and standard investigators’ forensic tools. Collect all the evidence first, and objectively let the evidence tell the story, not collect evidence to support a preconceived pet story.”
From a public safety background viewing Smolensk North and the Trade Towers Terror Black Ops like comparing a bushel of apples with a swamp full of snapping turtles.
It’s not like my Jewdar isn’t twitching about Smolensk, because it is, but for now am not going that direction.
(If anything in the way of a conspiracy exists, in terms of “who benefits,” it suspiciously if tenuously points more to aviation industrial espionage benefiting a certain crappy little Zionist state in the ME rather than political. But, have to lay out the groundwork first and am involved with some other matters regarding Smolensk, first. )
Did I ever mention that I hold now 20 year-out-dated, moth-eaten specialized Communications certifications in a number of interesting things and a degree in Disaster Planning and Management? (Consider me a very well informed citizen based on old knowledge. I didn’t stay with keeping current at the time, having changed careers. But, on the other hand, a lot of things stay for life.)
Funny, what “just a 9-1-1 dispatcher” can get into, and I was cross-trained into many areas beyond just pushing fire trucks and police cars around by radio, and saying “10-4.” Many public safety dispatchers are, but nothing replaces day-to-day experiences dealing with real people in crisis.
As it is, even though long retired from public safety after 20 years, I have still spent over 50,000 hours listening to and handling emergency services responses – police, fire, rescue, paramedics, major medical disasters (more than 15 people injured), hazmat incidents, wildland fires, airplane crashes, etc.
Moreover, as “first responder of the first responders,” I had to be extremely quick-thinking and make instant critical decisions from accurate size-ups of an emergency call often made within less than 10 seconds, and in most cases in less than 30 seconds in order to roll an appropriate emergency response.
One of those things was training, drilling and preparing for large aircraft crashes.
I worked in a basement, entirely blind to the world outside the communications room, worked by hearing and speaking and what I could pack into my head in the way of operational and field procedures on virtually every imaginable contingency related to public safety, be able to mentally visualize when I needed to, using such aids as maps.
For example, in my day I had to memorize every street by block number and cross-streets, and major landmarks and buildings of three cities (two of which had city limits running into the mountain wildlands as “urban-wilderness interphase areas), a naval airbase, a small civil airport and a large university working in my comm center.
Right now, there is a lot of conspiracy buzz about the first video recorded on a cell-phone from the crash scene, and crap about survivors being shot after the crash.
Granted, it is very spooky outside of its actual situational context.
Ran across even more absurdity with the claim that ‘Putin enticed the Poles into a psychological trap by ordering the ATC to repeatedly advise the pilot not to land in the dangerous fog.’
Another absurdity is the so-called great mystery about the fact that Poland’s No. 101 wasn’t diverted to Smolensk-South, a small civilian airport just 4 km south of the city.
Obviously a part of the great conspiracy by Putin the arch-mastermind? Um, no. The tarmac is much too short to handle a TU-154 by about 2900 ft. (S-North – 8202 ft; S-South – 5249 ft).
Smolensk-North was fully decommissioned as an active military base with the last step in 2009. It is currently a local mixed-use military/civilian airfield, mostly in service to the Smolensk Aviation Plant Joint Stock Company.
The plant is a converted civilian aircraft production and repair plant, located to the southeast of the air base just adjacent to and just across a two lane roadway.
Smolensk-North is still operated by the Russian Air Force for the simple reason that Russia’s planned conversion to a civilian aviation infrastructure with all of the internationally standardized civil upgrades is almost prohibitively expensive, especially when progress was slammed with the economic downturn and the country had to absorb cut-backs.
Another factor is that there is a critical shortage of qualified civilian pilots and civilian airport support personnel.
Many civilian pilots are in their 60’s facing retirement or can’t medically pass their flight physicals. Russia’s been bleeding from ‘flight drain’ as younger pilots have left for better paying work outside of Russia.
Russia has been implementing civilian aviation colleges, improving salaries and other conditions to address some of the problems and recruit more civilian pilots and support staff into civilian aviation careers. But in the meantime, the military finds itself doing double duty, such as operating Smolensk-North.
Many of the former Soviet Bloc states went through these transitions as well much more quickly, thanks to US-EU-NATO and their carrot and stick debt economy.
Dear Br. Nathanael,
Point well taken. When the U.S.S.R. fell – some people actually starved to death while those Pharisaic Oligarchs fled to Israel with boatloads of the Russian peoples’ rubles…
As for those Russians who were extolling Stalin as a great leader on those messageboards… they could very well have been Russian ‘Jews’ for all I know.
I know they sure did hate Hitler & the Germans!
What is your opinion on the theory that Stalin WAS a ‘Jew’?
He had changed his name to Stalin from ‘Djugashvili’… Changing one’s name is somewhat of a ‘Jewey’ thing to do – isn’t it?
(continued) –
Let me give some perspective and proportion to this particular video tape of the bad, bad Ruskies allegedly shooting survivors, without pulling in all the politicum and theorum that are running amok.
We are only dealing with first some of the known facts of the crash scene, and then the most likely scenario to make sense of this tape to begin with, and cut through some stupid nonsense that has gone viral.
First of all, in an air-ground collision impact like this at the velocity that the aircraft was traveling, there are invariably no survivors, although there is always held out hope that there might be. Fire and rescue always go in expecting the worst and hoping for the best.
On Poland’s No. 101 the presidential salon is immediately behind the cockpit and the flight crew’s steward’s area. The salon seats about 8-9 people, best I can tell from a diagram. Probably at least two seats would be occupied by staff of the Polish BOR – comparable to our Secret Service or the dreaded FSB.
There were 8 BOR personnel on board, and most certainly carrying concealed sidearms.
Those not seated in the salon would be seated in the compartment just posterior to the presidential salon ahead of the press pool/ passenger compartments.
Doubtless, the presidential salon was structurally strengthened to perhaps increase his chances of survival under certain other crash conditions, such as on the runway itself at slower speeds, or just after take-off or flaring for a landing, or for bullet-proofing from small arms attacks.
The cockpit was the easiest to identify which was still attached to a short section of plane fuselage containing the remains of the salon.
Moreover, because the Polish presidential press pool that would normally fly on No 101 was bumped by the President’s ever expanding guest list, they arrived an hour earlier on board another scheduled 36th Special Air Regiment flight. To assist things, they may have been able to provide some clues to the search and retrieval teams as to where he usually sat in the salon.
This fact is probably why the search and retrieval team was able to find and identify the president’s remains and send him home so quickly because of the presidential compartment’s proximity to the cockpit. Further, the highest priority would be the the most expedient retrieval, identification and return home of the president’s remains in the most dignified matter possible under full presidential honors.
As it was, the remains of president’s wife, being held by the coroner-pathologist unit, who was likely seated next to her husband on the flight, was identifiable by next of kin only by the ring on her right hand and the color of her favorite nail polish.
In that section of the aircraft was also the small flight service section just anterior to the salon where the three stewardesses seated just outside the cockpit door would be seated for the landing.
My dear Michael K, please try to get this point which I am putting as delicately as I can – of the four women in closest proximity to the President, no one could tell which one was the First Lady of Poland except by her ring and nail polish.
There were simply no survivors left to shoot as is being alleged in some quarters. The gun discharges were most likely cooked off from the sidearms that the BOR personnel were carrying, or else they were in the baggage compartment which had caught on fire.
@ Prodigal –
Stalin was NOT a Jew. Period.
He was a Georgian non Jew who at one time aspired to be an Orthodox priest. But, became an apostate.
As for Russians hating Hitler, at first, they love him for LIBERATING the Orthodox Churches in western Russia in his initial invasion. The Church MUSHROOMED and thousands upon thousands of Russians ACCLAIMED Hitler as a great liberator.
That’s when Stalin STOPPED his persecution of the Church and “reponed” them again in the unoccupied areas of Russia and DECLARED a “patriotic” war against Hitler. That was the ONLY way the Orthodox MILLIONS of Russia would enter and fight “patriotically” for Russia.
But after the war, Stalin and his successor Khruschev PERSECUTED and CLOSED down the Churches. +bn
Plodding on, dear Michael K,
Secondly, having spent such considerable portion of my life dealing with emergency callers under all kinds of stressful conditions, I can confidently reconstruct a likely scenario around this cell-phone video as if I had taken this call.
Many human behaviors and characteristics of crises and disasters are the same all over the world. I’ve been studying this crash since it happened.
At the time of the crash, about 10:30 am, there were a number of people out and about for the day, walking their dogs, going to the store, or whatever.
To the southeast of the airbase and just across the two-lane roadway is the Smolensk Aviation Plant Joint Stock Company, a very large civilian aircraft production and repair plant.
Even though the airbase is in a rural district, there is all kinds of former base-housing in the vicinity of the plant and the air base, now occupied by the plant employees and their families. In Russia, as elsewhere in the Old World, it is much more common to see families taking care of aging parents and relatives at home than it is in America.
One of them is an older man taking a walk with his son when he hears and sees the crash. (I don’t know Russian, but believe I caught hearing someone else calling him “father” a couple of times.)
From the satellite photo, there are a number of footpaths wandering across the terrain. One well-trod footpath starting from the housing on the north side of the air field. It traverses southwards across bare ground for about 1300 ft east of the edge of the runway, and about 500 ft west of and roughly parallel to the highway.
The path then continues southwards entering through the section of woods emerging at a point where someone could cross over to the Aviation Plant across the road.
As best as I can determine from the lay of the debris field compared to what was captured on his cellphone, the man was walking down this pathway toward town when he saw the plane go down before him. He approached the site from the north side where the worst portion of the crash intersected the pathway.
He (and his son/young man) was not too far away from the crash site when it happened.
To the south and west of the main crash site, which spreads lengthwise about 300 ft after the plane traversed over the road heading southwest, there are sidewalks adjacent to the roadway. From the roadway itself, it is about 600 feet to the crash site.
From his unsteady gait I can tell our mystery photographer is older, is using a video cellphone, and he has slogged hard through the mud (its spring thaw) to reach the scene to try and help. Many people throughout the world instinctively do as he does everyday, rush towards a vehicle accident or other catastrophic troubles on the urge to help.
From his breathing he may have cardio-pulmonary problems, one reason to always carrying his cell-phone. The footage starts with him going as fast as he physically can on the muddy pathway. At first he focused on the debris, approaches it, and slows down as he begins to realize the enormity of the disaster he is seeing.
At 28 seconds he begins to go into mental shock. I won’t go into details about what I can also see, except that unlike Hollywood blood, real blood doesn’t photograph at all well, especially churned up in mud.
Just prior to the footage starting, he probably called the equivalent of their 9-1-1 on his cell phone. The siren going off at 34 seconds is an old-fashioned base and factory crash and disaster alarm, probably steam generated.
While the siren is sounding, and he is still recording, at 44 seconds his attention is drawn to his left by the three or four males voices shouting they move closer to the site from the direction of the south and east, more or less from the factory direction of the dirt pathway.
He then begins to wander and stagger aimlessly, tripping over downed branches more or less in the direction of home to the north, verbally repeats the same phrase to himself or someone else, and still trying to record the crash while being overwhelmed by it all.
At 57 seconds the first cracking sound is heard, a second one at 1:06, at 1:10 a garble of male voices talking at once (alleged to be nervous laughter).
If the cracking sounds are shots, and not trees finishing breaking, then if its laughter, its probably the almost messed the pants laughter for having dodged a richochet from the sidearms cooking off. A few days ago, it was reported that 7 of the BOR sidearms had been recovered from the scene.
A possible loud crack at 1:15, a fourth at 1:16, at 1:19 a younger man’s voice speaks insistently (maybe says “father”). I surmise the younger man, who is rather calm, is trying to get his father’s attention because he has become disoriented by shock and adrenalin let-down. It wouldn’t surprise me that he was experiencing some kind of flashback if the older man was a vet.
At 1:22 on the tape, the fire engines begin to roll on the crash alarm with sirens sounding, with the closest fire station probably at the Aircraft Plant just across the street, as well as any of the military maintenance ground crew on the airbase itself trained for crashes.
I know one thing time wise about the crash: The fire department arrived on the scene less than three minutes after the crash occurred, and that is a top-notch emergency response. They began stretching lines of hoses over a distance of four and five hundred feet while others went in on foot through the mud preparing for search and rescue, and to give a further size up.
The dignitaries and the presidential press were over a mile away in the base terminal near the ATC Tower waiting to receive the President when he arrived and the crash happened. The first Polish video journalist arrived within minutes after the crash and began filming his footage.
He was out of breath, and had some of the same trouble navigating through the debris and downed trees. He, however, was a professional video journalist, and it didn’t affect him nearly as badly as the first man, but he was still pretty well shaken up.
Nevertheless, having probably covered a number of tragedies and disasters, he, too, realized right away what a catastrophe it was and that no one could possibly be found alive. In some of his footage, I also saw what I believe were body parts, but like real blood, they don’t photograph very well in the mud, and that’s all that I will say on the matter.
There was no reason for the fire department to activate a major medical catastrophe ambulance response. They were all dead on impact, God rest their souls, and memory eternal to them all.
While it may be true that in the political world, nothing ever happens by accident, in the much larger world of everyday life, there are real accidental accidents, and this is a glimpse of what it might have been like if I had been the public safety dispatcher taking this call.
This MUST Be CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD –
The American Revolution has PROVED TO BE A FAILURE.
All attempts at “liberty” over against the ancien’ regime have PROVED a FAILURE.
Why? Because in toppling an aristocracy, a landed ruling class, the JEWS take control.
We can talk until our noses bleed about the Articles of Confederacy, the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights, BUT, that does NOT SOLVE the problem.
What is the problem? JEWS, that is the problem. THEY TAKE CONTROL once an Autocratic ruling caste is taken out of the way.
Why do I write so many articles on Putin? @
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?cat=97
Why do I write so many articles on Russia? @
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?cat=337
I write these articles BECAUSE Putin is in the tradition of “Sacred Monarchy” by which the !!!JEWS CANNOT!!! take control but are kept under lock and chain FORBIDDEN to hold public office and their influence CURTAILED.
Thus, The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, outlined their plan to DESTROY the ARISTOCRACY (Christian) which they state is the “only defense of the people.”
What oppression do we want? The “oppression” of the aristocracy? (the Habsburg was NOT oppressive BUT for the Jews who wanted control)– Or the OPPRESSION of the Jews which we are experience spirtually and financially NOW here in America?
I will take Putin’s autocracy ANY DAY of the week over JEW autocracy. AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN JEWMERICA: Jew Dictatorship! Better conform or you are out the door…
NOT ME!
+Brother Nathanael
Former Jew
Now – Russian Orthodox Christian
“The Polish central bank governor, national security chief and top army generals allegedly died in the crash as well as the Polish president Lech Kaczynski, two presidential candidates and much of the opposition party, clearing the way for Polish Prime Minister Donald Trusk to follow pro euro, pro IMF and pro-Gazprom policies that will enrich the Globalists.”
From the Jane Burgermeister report on April 22, 2010. She is the independent Austrian journalist who has filed charges against WHO and the UN for bioterrorism. “Were the Polish Elite Abducted and Killed in Poland? No Evidence of Bodies At Crash Site Fuels Speculation” Case About Bird Flu: covering the Polish plane crash and the New World Order” http://birdflu666.wordpress.com
With regard to the Black Psy-op of the Polish crash – cui bono?
The Rothschild federal reserve banking cartel which is spear heading the Convergence. Post Soviet state monopoly socialism and monopoly capitalism are converging. The Convergence is the Globalism of Jewry a.k.a. Communism in its strict Marxist Leninist sense.
The Roman Catholic Church infallibly teaches that no one who would save Western civilization may collaborate with Communism in any way whatsoever.
Dear Brother Nathanael and RZN Christians,
This has to be one of the most interesting and controversial articles and commentaries in recent days. I appreciate the candor and sincere efforts of everyone here.
KathJuliane – that was an excellent analysis of the most likely reason for the small arms noises in the Polish air crash wreckage. Very logical.
Brother Nathanael, you make a convincing argument for Christian autocracy versus Jewish autocracy. However, I remain an idealist wedded in my heart to the precepts of America’s founding fathers. Maybe it will take some ‘tough guys’ to restore honest governance in the days to come but the outcome must be restoration not revolution.
I thank America, the old America that was still around in rural Maine thirty years ago, for setting me free to discover Christ in my life. Real freedom and liberty is for the will of God to always be an option, politically.
Our aristocracy still exists: it is the old families who hold prominent titles to land and positions of public trust to which they get elected. They have not disappeared, but many have fallen to sin and error. Many have bought into the false gods of Freemasonry and humanism. We need our aristocracy to repent!
Peace in Christ.
Dear Brother Nathanael,
Regarding the enigmatic crash of the Polish aircraft allegedly containing the upper levels of the Polish state administration:
There is almost certainly good reason to suspect that foul play and covert assassination operations, but I doubt that Russia was directly responsible for the simple reason that they look guilty.
Consider the alleged objective of a Russian-sponsored assassination–regime change in Poland to bring it into Russia’s sphere of influence. If that was indeed the objective, then it would have been most useful to engineer the accident elsewhere so as to avoid the blame and popular resistance in Poland. This is so simple a child could understand it.
There is no argument explaining why Russia would choose to be suspect number one if this was some sort of ‘perfect crime’. If Russia wanted to kill the Polish leadership in an air crash, they would naturally choose a different time and place for it, possibly over the sea or in German airspace.
It just doesn’t make sense. It would be like the Mossad assassinating president Obama in Israel and then blaming it on Palestinians. Everybody would suspect Israel anyway, especially since they are known to have such tight security.
A political assassination is by nature not planned to bring heat on the regime responsible for it. It defeats the main purpose of a covert operation, namely misdirection of blame onto an opposing faction.
However, using this simple logic it would appear at first much more likely that Russia has been set up to suffer a severe falling out with Poland over this. Will this bring Poland into Russia’s sphere of influence or create a reaction against her? Cui bono?
Dear KathJuliane,
Do you have any info regarding Smolenks airport navigation aids, specifically international standards ILS.
I’ve been several times to the Soviet Union and can assure you that more than frequently weather can be worse than you may expect, during the whole year.
Before an intended normal commercial flight crew arrives to the departing airport well in advance of scheduled flight time.
They go inmediately to a planning/managing room (especially so from a large airport as the one used by the Polish entourage).
The aircraft officers will plan, check, verify all flight navigation procedures, instruments on route and final approach characteristics, among many other details.
Will receive latest meteorological info in print-out, on screen and other forms for better appreciation of general conditions during all the flight legs.
Will receive a computer flight plan with all the satellite/inertial navigation coordinates to load on-board nav computer coupled with autopilot system.
They have to be aware on the availability of a functioning, correctly calibrated ILS system, just in case they’ll need for a safe landing.
I read several reports describing a fast weather change close to Smolensk inmediately before the planned Polish arrival.
Let us imagine that a dense, really thick fog developed close Smolensk airport, a situation for a mandatory use of an ILS approach, probably a Cat II type.
The crew should be able to aknowledge localizer signals as far as 18 NM from the airfield and glide slope signals more or less at 10 NM distance.
Now, for a very fast moving object as a jet aircraft, those are rather close to the final destination marks.
They have to fully make an auto-pilot approach in order to be right there (normal procedures).
Anyway if they experience problems with the ILS they have plenty of time for an abort approach and a redirecting flight.
No sane pilot/co-pilot will ever try to do it visual, even with the CAT II ILS type approach you have the “minimums” markers for visually see the runaway.
Summing up, was it a “God will help us” flight or a more than carefully planned one, considering the very important passengers on-board?
Putin knows as do many others that America and Russia can no longer rule themselves as republics.
A benevolent landed Christian aristocracy is what is necessary to fight the Jews: one which is as intelligent and as educated as the Jews, but not wicked as the Jews are.
There is no other choice at the moment.
I am currently being persecuted by petty pawns of the Jews who fancy themselves intelligent and capable, but they are merely useful idiots to the Jews who control them. WISE UP, REAL CHRISTIAN AMERICANS OR THE JEWS WILL KILL YOU TOO!
Greetings in our Lord, my dear Juan,
The weather data I have for April 10 should be consistent with what you’ve personally experienced in your travels to the FSU.
At this point, we are interested only in getting the basic data, contexts and parameters straight, somewhat more competently than our lovely western media and pundits are doing, and avoiding the current problem among some “conspiracy theorists” pulling stuff out of a hat and calling them facts.
Some have expressed great dubiousness about “the sudden fog” thing, for example, or that the visibility was as bad as being claimed. Sudden fog is a common meteorological problem (or ask anyone in No Calif, to start with), and the visibility was poor as clearly evidenced by the first two tapes – the mystery photographer and the journalist. The fog was hanging in the trees. (“Oh, no, its all faked.”)
Col. Wieslaw Grzegorzewski of the Polish Defense Ministry, the agency that operates No. 101 specifically for the transportation of top officials, stated: “I can confirm the pilots were preparing for landing without the ILS system [required for a Precision Approach], the airport didn’t have the ILS system.”
The captain of No. 101 was informed of the sudden onset of fog conditions (typical in either Poland or Russia at 54 degree N latitude especially during the spring thaw and fall freezes) while still in Belarus air space 50 km out before being handed over to Smolensk ATC by Belarus.
He was advised several times to re-route to three airports that would be capable of handling the TU-154, and these would have been part of the alternate flight plans filed by the captain himself with both the 36th Regiment and the Russian Aviation authorities.
Not only would the black boxes, Russian ATC tapes, etc, record the flight transmissions about the weather conditions, so would Belarus ATC record it as part of the hand-off to Smolensk in case of doubt and independent verification of both the initial statements of the ATC crew involved and the onboard flight recordings.
And, not being said, because of the diplomatic status of the mission, the entire flight operation should have also been monitored and recorded back in Poland by the Special Air Regiment as No. 101 transited through Polish, then Belarusian, then into Russian air space and Smolensk ATC. (Not to mention all of the NATO eavesdropping on this open communication. This was not a top secret flight.)
The captain informed ATC that he would continue to the destination to size up conditions and make a decision then, and that he had plenty of fuel to do so, and then divert to one of the planned alternate airports if necessary. (Alternate flight plans would have been filed before hand with Smolensk-North ATC, as well as the alternates.)
Given the known instability and sudden shifts, as things had suddenly changed within a half hour, the fog conditions could abruptly change again by the time he arrived at the destination point. This would not be an unreasonable choice for the pilot to make.
As he was on an official Polish Special Air Regiment mission to a destination not on a regular international civil aviation and traffic grid as we ‘civilians’ are used to, and since all other local traffic from the airbase and the Aviation Factory would be grounded for the day because of the event, the air base was essentially his within his discretion.
General weather advisories for the airport Smolensk-North on the day of the disaster (read from bottom to top. 10 am, etc. is Moscow time): http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?177570-Facts-about-polish-Tu-154M-101-crash&goto=newpost
10:00Z (1pm) Temp 3°C Dew 2°C Humidity 94% QNH 1025 hPa Visibility 4 kilometers Winds east 14.4 km/h / Mist
07:00Z (10am) Temp 1°C Dew 1°C Humidity 98% QNH 1026 hPa Visibility 0.5 kilometers Winds SE 10.8 km/h / Heavy Fog***
04:00Z (7am) Temp 0°C Dew -1°C Humidity 89% QNH 1025 hPa Visibility 4 kilometers Winds ESE 7.2 km/h / Mist
01:00Z (4am) Temp 3°C Dew -0°C Humidity 72% QNH 1025 hPa Visibility 10 kilometers Winds SE 7.2 km/h /
There was a sudden dip of temperature from 4 am to 7 am, and by 10 am the temperature and dewpoint were equally matched. Fog forms when the difference between temperature and dew point is generally less than 2.5 deg C or 4 deg F. Fog normally occurs at a relative humidity near 100%.
This can be achieved by either adding moisture to the air or dropping the ambient air temperature.
The climate of Smolensk Oblast is moderate-continental with a warm summer and moderately cold winter. It is formed under the influence of humid Atlantic air masses but inflows of Arctic air masses are possible at any time. The coldest month is January (16 F/-9.4 C), the warmest is July (62 F/+17 C).
Located at Latitude 54N, Smolensk Oblast is going through the spring thaw phase. At higher latitude, the current average daylight at this time of year is 14 hours.
Fog is common on an average of 103 days per year mostly during spring and fall in Smolensk Region. Thunderstorms occur 28 days per year usually during the spring/fall weather pattern changes. Poor weather dominates in Smolensk (178 days).
The winds of western, southwestern and southern directions generally predominate.
The average level of humidity is 81% Average annual temperature is 40 deg F/4.6 deg C. Average annual precipitation is 2.4 inches/58.4 mm with precipitation all year round.
The city of Smolensk is situated in the central part of the East-European Plain on both banks of the upper Dnepr River.
Smolensk Region has a dense river network and many lakes, ponds, bogs, and underground water sources. Most of the region is located in the forest zone, and the forests have an enormous impact on the climate by increasing atmospheric humidity.
Agricultural land occupies 43% of the Region’s territory and is used to grow grain, industrial and feed crops. Livestock farming is the region’s most important agricultural sector.
Smolensk is the Region’s administrative, industrial, and cultural center. One of the oldest and most historic of Russian cities, and the heart of medieval Byzanto-Russian Orthodoxy, it was a key stronghold on the Dnieper River and by the 9th century and became a commercial center on the trade route between the Baltic Sea and the Byzantine Empire.
The captain flew three circles around the air field according to one of several important witnesses already waiting at Smolensk North – Jerzy Bahr, the Polish Ambassador to Russia was waiting at the terminal.
With him was his own dignitary guests, protection team, as well as the vetted journalists of the presidential pool and other dignitaries, most, if not all, of them Polish, who had landed at Smolensk North just an hour earlier also on a 36th Special Air Regiment aircraft with better visibility and with no ILS completely without incident. Moreover, just two days before, the 36th also flew into Smolensk for the earlier Katyn memorial.
Firstly I do not believe that all those high officials would board one plane and with such a careless pilot.
Secondly, who has a proven track record of plane crash homicides?….Duhhh!
Three, Poland better wake up or this crash will have its intended consequences, enslavement to the bankers from whose grasp they, uniquely in all of Europe [EU] have managed to escape.
When a political assassination happens, you always start by suspecting the Jews. Then you look for reasons why they did it, and then you figure out how they did it.
Try to think like an evil diabolical Jew, otherwise you will not get the crime solved.
If you fail to solve the crime this way, then the Jews probably did not do it, but always look for new information, because it can take a long time before the truth comes out.
Vladimir Putin and Russia’s massive nuclear arsenal are the STUMBLING BLOCKS which still prevent the Jew World Order.
The international conspirators cannot defeat Russia. Russia is impossible to defeat by conventional means (ask Napoleon and Hitler), and the Jews will not risk an all-out nuclear war with a peer.
The MASSIVE DISINFO CAMPAIGN in the “West” against Putin and Russia SHOULD be an EYE OPENER to all opposed to the JWO.
Paul Drockton is clearly a DISINFO AGENT, as Brother Nate and Prodigal Son rightly point out/suggest.
I am very sorry to say this, but the “bad guys” nowadays are not in the Kremlin, but at the “White” House.
Unless America repents, the day of reckoning will come as a thief in the night to the US.
Putin is correct when he says that the Bolshevik Revolution was perpetrated upon Russia by the West.
What he doesn’t say is that the JudeoBolshevik Revolution was the work of Jewry which owns Western nations by means of a Federal Reserve System.
We know from the testimony of Dr Bella Dodd, legal counsel of the Communist Party U.S.A., before the House of Representatives that her orders came from from N.Y. and from N.Y. via Moscow.
The ZOGs owned by Jewry in the West have tried by every means at their disposal to cover up the role of Jewry in the JudeoBolshevik Revolution and Jewry’s control of the Soviet.
The Eastern and Western Blocks are still being dialectically machinated against each other for WW III. The ownership of the world by Jewry (realisation of Communism and the NWO) is to be the result of the this conflict.
Dear Juan,
Here are some more of my working notes, about ‘stuff’ that simply is not being mentioned or minimized in the Jew-owned press enough to draw and consolidate some sort of larger picture.
One thing to keep in mind, is that unlike a criminal investigation which has a sole focus and is measured more concretely as innocence or guilt, an air safety investigation is concerned with not only THE CAUSE, but the CONTRIBUTING FACTORS and they are looking for a complete chain of events leading up to the crash.
Much of it works by process of elimination, and of course they are looking for evidence of anything criminal as well as they go along, because a crime could turn out to be the CAUSE.
In the meantime, they are analyzing every piece of aircraft debris recovered in comparison and in a special ‘clean hanger’ reassembling it under lab conditions. Putin ordered special construction at the site to accommodate this, and other facilities such as a temporary morgue and pathology lab to keep things as close to the site as possible, as well as use the available tech labs at the Aviation Plant.
They first had to build a road into the site for vehicles and cranes because of the mud, and it looks like from a sat photo compared to the old google maps that they built a cement pad and erected several blue-roofed buildings close to the crash site.
In an ordinary aviation incident once mechanical failure or other causes are eliminated like natural causes, such as bird-strikes or lightening to the aircraft itself, then investigation goes into other technical areas such as radio communications, then what is left as a cause of the incident is the realm of HUMAN FACTOR.
Until the final aviation safety report is published, anything my big mouth, or a pilot, or an aviation expert or an analyst or a conspiracy theorist says is opinion rather than a finding.
Tentatively, however, the cause of the crash was the pilot’s clear, reasoned, decision to attempt a landing with very marginal visibility, despite all advisories against it, and all of the evident circumstances support this as true.
Neither the Poles nor the Russians are or will be simply be satisfied with this, and they are being quite cautious.
It’s an ordinary Controlled Flight Into Terrain like dozens of air-ground collisions every year in very unordinary circumstances. It will be examined from all angles.
The pilot was the commander of the ship, an experienced military pilot with options and discretions that might not be ordinarily available to a strictly civilian pilot, such as the ones who ferry you and me somewhere. On the other hand, he would certainly not have chosen to do so if he and his crew were not fully confident and prepared to do so safely considering his important mission.
The pilot would not be courting a death-wish – he was married with two kids. Brave and loyal to his country and president, yes, but he also wanted to go home at night.
No. 101 arrived over Smolensk at 10:30 am, circled the airport three times in a routine pattern before attempting “just one landing,” as he advised ATC he would do.
Emergency situations minister Sergei Shoigu says that firefighting personnel were dispatched to the crash scene at 10:51 and that fires were extinguished 10min later. (Can plug in that mystery cell-video here for time with the airbase/factory disaster siren, and the sounds of the fire engine sirens coming to life. First fire unit arrived in less than three minutes.)
So, No. 101 appears to have been patiently circling the airport for close to twenty minutes.
Now, you, Juan and I may differ a bit on perceptions is that in my public safety world dealing with wildland firefighter heavy air tankers is that these pilots are specialists.
They fly in ways so different from normal civilian passenger flight, and contend with rugged terrain, smoke and heat that have made me scratch my head and say, “Gee, I didn’t know a B-52 or C-130 could do that.” (Forestry service is now using 747 tanker modified cargo planes.) Some of these guys I knew were also retired military pilots.
There seems to be a concerted Western effort to portray both Poland and Russia as major incompetent, disorganized and backward nations with stupid pilots and half-literate peasant ATC, and Russia as extremely isolated from the rest of the world, with Putin masterminding and controlling the entire thing from the get-go.
Russia is a member of the IATA and a contracting state for the ICAO and has been for a long time.
Russia is a member of the IATA and a contracting state for the ICAO.
Civil airports that bear IATA and ICAO standardization designators are rated as to size and functional passenger capacity, and have compatible ILS to international standards depending on the airport and aviation classifications. Those that don’t yet measure up to ICAO standards are not rated.
Everything about Russia’s current civil and mixed-use aviation capacities and infrastructure is published with the ICAO.
The technical investigation is being carried out by CIS Interstate Aviation Committee registered by the ICAO as an independent regional investigation organization.
Working in cooperation with the CIS IAC, is the special civilian-military joint task force Technical Commission composed of Russian and Polish federal, civilian, scientific, medical forensic, prosecutorial and military authorities and experts, in line with international procedures and regulations set by the ICAO. http://premier.gov.ru/eng/events/news/10207/
“Investigators from the EU and other countries have expressed their willingness to participate in the Technical Commission’s work.” [Red flag in my Jewdar.]
This speaks of a certain over-eagerness on the “EU and other countries” to get their big noses involved, and have been politely rebuffed. Reading between the lines of customary Continental manners, it seems that the CIS IAC, and both Poland and Russia are saying, “thanks but no thanks, keep the pitty paws off” to any EU/Western involvement in this investigation.
Christ, our master of all Creation, apparently concurred by tapping an Icelandic volcano that grounded the EU for a week, and kept otherwise idle pitty-paws very busy in the west with their own aviation problems.
From a strictly investigative and procedural point of view, if the 9-11 Commission Report had so many forensic holes and avenues for covering up or tampering with evidence in it that it looked like Swiss cheese, then Russia nor Poland are going to head down that road.
And KathJ is not so starry-eyed idealistic as to say that things are just peachy between Poland and Russia now and that they are bosom buddies, but both states want a complete and unimpeachable answer.
In any case, the CIS IAC has a sterling, peer reviewed reputation among 53 countries for impartiality, meticulousness, adherence to scientific and technical standards, and the unimpeachable palm of correctness. Not one investigation result has ever been faulted or challenged by the ICAO or its member states, including the US.
The special Joint Russian-Polish Technical Commission was authorized by PM Putin with emergency funds for the commission allotted from the national budget. He and Medyedev are daily briefed, and as needed, by the CIS IAC and the Technical Commission.
It is a sizeable investigative special task force commission incorporating a number of cross specialties, military and civilian, from both countries who are highly qualified professionals and very well disciplined in their fields, working peer to peer.
The Technical Commission interphases with the CIS IAC, with all parties following standard Aviation Safety investigation and technical forensic procedures.
While Russia has jurisdiction over the case, nothing is done for the investigation without also a specific Polish counter-part being present, subject to the CIS IAC oversight.
If there is a Russian coroner-pathologist, alongside of him working is a Polish coroner-pathologist. The first two black boxes recovered were unsealed and evaluated only after Polish technicians were present.
A third black box holding the complete instrument and telemetry package (no voice) was recovered later. At the Technical Commission’s request this recovery was handed over to the Polish investigators to independently unseal and process in their own aviation technical labs in Poland, doubtless with a Russian counter-part also present.
Reading between the lines, the 36th Regiment is probably in on this portion of the investigation since they were in charge of maintaining the ship.
The Prosecutor General of Russia opened a court of inquiry as is automatically required under RF law for aviation disasters on Russian soil. At the same time, on the 10th, the Prosecutor General of Poland announced he would be conducting an independent investigation as well. A little clue that a criminal investigation aspect is not going to be neglected by either side or both.
Because of its universal scope, Aviation Safety is probably one of the most naturally open book, peer reviewed fields, constantly researched and scrutinized by uninterested pilots, plane buffs, other national government, military, private insurance companies, aviation labs, independent safety groups, and aviation engineering.
The Tu-154 has been the mainstay ‘workhorse’ of Soviet and Russian airlines for several decades, servicing well over a sixth of the world’s landmass and carrying about half of the passengers flown by Aeroflot and all its subsidiaries over that period (137.5 million per year or 243.8 billion passenger kilometers in 1990).
Capable of departing and arriving on unpaved and gravel airfields, it often operates in the extreme Arctic conditions of Russia’s northern territories where airports can be very basic. With a service life of 45,000 hours (18,000 cycles), but capable of 80,000 hours with upgrades, the aircraft is expected to continue in operation until 2016.
All Tu-154 aircraft models have a higher thrust-to-weight ratio than that of the 727 – this gives them superior performance, although at the expense of poorer fuel efficiency. The Tu-154 has an oversized landing gear enabling it to land on unpaved runways, once common in rural areas of the Soviet Union.
The aircraft has two six-wheel main bogies fitted with large low-pressure tires that retract into pods extending from the trailing edges of the wings (a common Tupolev feature), plus a two-wheel nose gear unit. Soft oleo struts provide a much smoother ride on bumpy airfields than most airliners, which only very rarely operate on such poor surfaces.
The plane’s avionics suite is built to American airworthiness standards, and there are still hundreds of Tu-154’s flying the skies internationally owned and operated from various nations. The latest variant (Tu-154M-100, introduced 1998) includes an NVU-B3 Doppler navigation system, a triple autopilot, which provides an automatic ILS approach according to ICAO category II weather minima, an autothrottle, a Doppler drift and speed measure system (DISS), “Kurs-MP” radio navigation suite and others.
Modern upgrades normally include a TCAS, GPS and other modern systems, mostly American or EU-made. [Question: where there any Israeli made upgrades, hmmmm?]
Poland’s VIP model was a TU-154M Lux, serial number ‘101’. Gallery of TU-154M used by the 36th Special Transport Aviation Regiment. It is very clear that the 36th takes exceptional regimental pride in this special fleet as seen from these photos: http://www.plastikowe.pl/galerie/tu-154m
According to a Polish military magazine the airplane was serviced in December 2009 in Samara and received 5-year/7500-flight-hours warranty; the crash happened just after 138 flight hours.
All the preliminary data suggest a Controlled Flight Into Terrain (CFIT) type of accident, despite the fact that the plane had been equipped with a Terrain Awareness and Warning System (TAWS) made by Universal Avionics Systems of Tucson, said company spokesman John Hamby. He said the company could not discuss the investigation. http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2010-04-13-fog-plane-crash-poland_N.htm
[Here is the little red flag on my Jewdar. This was kinda buried in the msm. Arizona is a little political powerhouse of Zionist Jew aeronautical science and physics types, next state over to Los Alamos, New Mexico. Arizona is also old Spanish & Mexican Marrano country, Juan. Israhell has a very competitive aviation electronics industry, and we know how they play by the rules about industrial and other espionage, yes?]
Universal Avionics primarily focuses on Flight Management Systems (FMS) and cockpit instrument displays for private, business, and commercial aircraft. Universal Avionics has offices in Arizona, Kansas, Washington, Georgia, and Switzerland. But, they also developed more sophisticated FMS for military aviation and special operations as well.
Civil and commercial aircraft both have real time “terrain avoidance systems” or what is called ground proximity warning systems, of which TAWS is a component of. These real time devices are radar altimeters and radio altimeters and they provide constant AGL readings or absolute altitude above ground level as opposed to true altitude which is measured by the altimeter as above mean sea level.
Bill Voss, president of the non-profit Flight Safety Foundation, said that the crash may highlight a weakness in the TAWS. Maps of the US and other developed nations are highly accurate, but gaps exist in the maps for countries such as Russia and in the developing countries. [Another red flag on my Jewdar. Surely, for this flight the TAWS would have been double-checked for appropriate map data?]
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2010-04-13-fog-plane-crash-poland_N.htm
According to the Aviation Safety Network, there have been 66 crashes involving Tu-154s in the past four decades, including six in the past five years. Most of them involved owner/operators by companies and countries other than Russia. Less than 10% (6) were found due to mechanical failure, the rest were accidents due to unfavorable weather conditions or operator errors such as mid-air collisons, shot down by accident, etc.
The Russian carrier Aeroflot recently withdrew its Tu-154 fleet from service, largely because the planes do not meet international noise restrictions and use too much fuel for use in Western countries, rather than for any excessive safety issues.
No. 101 was especially produced for the Poland on 29 June 1990, delivered to the Poland on July 12 that same year.
Photos: No 101 unknown time in Calif (quite the international traveler. She was rigged to sail the skies.):
http://nycaviation.com/2010/04/10/polish-president-and-131-others-killed-in-plane-crash-near-smolensk-russia/
101 landing at Czech Airport on 4/8/2010 http://www.planesvideo.cz/ [Red flag on my Jewdar. I think this was the day after the first Katyn memorial with the two prime ministers.]
For the entire period of her service, the aircraft was operated by the 36th Special Aviation Regiment operating from the military part of the Okecie Airport in Warsaw. In Dec 2009, she underwent a full restructuring coupled with the limited modernization, was equipped with modern navigation systems to allow for landing without visual runway visibility as the ILS (Instrument Landing System).
The Polish airplane is the best that Poland could have had, along with the best Pilot, Co-Pilot, Navigator, etc. the country has to offer in the prestigious and very serious 36th Regiment. In addition, the plane as a part of the national defense fleet, would be serviced by the best technicians with the best aviation electronic technology appropriate and available.
One of the axioms of revolutionary technique perfected in the that great school for Revolution -the Grand Orient:
To control the opposition, you must lead the opposition.
Apply this to the Polish attempts to steer a nationalist course independent of the perestroika diktat – one Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals. This geopolitical entity is now emerging as the EU, a NWO soviet.
The independent reporter Jane Burgermeister continues to raise the incisive questions with regard to the mysterious plane crash in Smolensk, Russia.
“Polish Prime Minister Donald Trusk is set to seal a key gas-deal with Russia’s Gazprom days after the death of opponets to the contract – including Polish President, Lech Kaczynski.”
Kaczynski, we learn from her background info referenced from both the Russian and Polish press, favoured development of Poland’s own shale gas deposits which could make Poland self-sufficient and increase Europe’s gas reserves by 47%.
The opposition to the Gazprom monopoly over Poland’s energy supply conveniently died in the crash.
http://www.birdflu666.wordpres.com/2010/04/was-the-polish-president-killed-over-landmark-gas-deal.
Jewry is raising the NWO trilaterals: EU, NAU, APAC. They don’t want Poland independent of Gazprom. They don’t want Poland independent of the IMF restructuring.
To machinate a world war, they are going to have to use the Western ZOGs to menace Russia.
As with their last world war, just as the international nation state of Jewry could not get Germans to fight for anything less than their own nation established on its own monetary system against Jewry and its Soviet, they could not get Russians to fight for anything less than their Mother Russia and what they hold most sacred as holy Orthodoxy.
All of these had to be set up by Jewry before Hitler’s invasion of Russia could ‘work’. Even Stalin had to leave off persecuting the Russian Orthodox along with the rest of the Christians and trick out the KGB in clerical garb, re-open Russian Orthodox churches and support the freedom of the Russian church.
But once the Red Army invaded the West – they were not allies of Poland which was part of the Allied force. The Red Army invaded to harvest and secure the Communist revolutions in Eastern Europe that only Germany and Italy had managed throw off.
The Red Army executed their ‘allies’ the entire Polish nationalist government and intelligentsia at Katyn in 1940. Russia has never apologized for this heinous crime.
“Germany and Italy had each in their turn experienced the throes of communist revolution and emerged victorious over this foulest of plagues.
They knew who had financed and organized the International Brigages and with what Fell Purpose Barcelona (during the Spanish ‘civil’ War) had been declared ‘the Capital of the Soviet States of W. Europe’. ” — Chaper 4: The Development of Revolutionary Technique. The Nameless War by Captain A.H.M. Ramsay, Member for Midlothian, interned in Brixton Prison 1940 – 1945 for the publication of The Nameless War.
Permanently archived on http://www.adelaideinstitute.org. See Left Sidebar: Important Reading. The Nameless War.
So once again, Jewry will use its proxies the Western ZOGs to machinate Russian hegemony in Europe. And their path lays across the Roman Catholic nations of Poland and the Baltics.
This trip with 96 of Poland’s best dignitaries would not have been just a random, quick last minute jaunt. It was a historical event of somber ceremonial and spiritual gravity between two nations, which really has taken many years and setbacks, troubles with political wrangling to have gotten to this point.
The idea for a memorial at Katyn first came up in 1995 among Polish and Russian historians after Gorbachev admitted that the Stalin regime had committed the massacre and the old KGB archives were opened.
The plane would have had many system redundancies built in for any imaginable and preventable problem. Nothing would be left to chance for they were flying into Russia to deal with Extremely Sensitive Issues between the two nations. Planned would be extra fuel, communication equipment, numerous contingency plans.
On April 10, the airplane departed at 7:58 Polish time, with almost hour delay of the planned departure at 7:00 am (this time of departure appears on an official list of advertised passengers) on board were 88 passengers and 8 crew members.
In addition to the Tu-154M 101, other aircraft were planned to land at the destination airport that same morning for the Katyn ceremony. About 7:15 am Polish time (9:15), a Polish Yak-40, also from the 36th Regiment, landed safely at the airport. On board was Polish Ambassador to Russia Jerzy Bahr and his party and state security, as well as the pool of mostly Polish journalists who would accompany the president during the Katyn ceremony.
Later, about 30 minutes prior to the scheduled arrival of 101 to the airport, the Russian IL-76 transport flying from Moscow approached the airbase. On board were members of the Federal Protection Service.
FSO – the equivalent to the Secret Service and Polish BOR’s, were assigned to the foreign dignitary protection of the Polish president and VIP’s. The functional difference between the FSO and the FSB is like the difference between the Secret Service and the CIA.
The 20,000-member FSO, headquartered in Block 14 in the Kremlin, supervises top-level government communications, operates and protects underground command centers, maintains the special underground train system that connects key government facilities in the Moscow area.
It protects other strategic facilities, and executive aircraft and special trains, and is responsible for foreign dignitary protection by the host state, just as the US Secret Service is also responsible for protection for national special security events and visiting foreign world leaders on American soil.
The military transport IL-76 undertook two failed attempts to land. According to witnesses (crew and passengers of the first arrived Yak-40) the attempted landings looked to have been very dangerous because of poor visibility.
After the unsuccessful attempts, the plane diverted and returned to Moscow, about 200 km away. Purportedly, the IL-76 as well as the captain of it was based in Smolensk, so someone who knows the airport, didn’t want to land there.
Concerns about the safety of the airport, which is opened only for special occasions, has been questioned. But Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk flew there with the 36th Regiment only two days earlier to meet Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin at the first Katyn memorial.
So there was already first-hand experience for the 36th Regiment, which would have been conveyed at pre-flight briefings for the run on Saturday the 10th.
According to a report compiled by Renaissance Capital in 2008, most Soviet-era airfields in Russia are in a substandard state in terms of international standards, and military airfields are worse than civilian ones, which have started to receive government funding for restoration.
But most transportation infrastructure programs were cut during the current economic crisis in favor of social measures, such as increasing pensions and other social relief. The report indicated that among civilian airfields, 52 percent didn’t have landing lights, and 41 percent were not even paved.
What this essentially means is that these airfields are closed to anything but national, domestic air traffic under Russia’s national flight rules.
Only two airports in the country, Domodedovo and Sheremetyevo, both in Moscow, are certified as third category by the International Civil Aviation Organization, which means the airport has equipment letting planes land safely even in zero-zero visibility conditions.
“Outfitting airports with equipment to pass such [international] certification is prohibitively expensive,” said Miroslav Boichuk, head of Russia’s Flight Personnel Union. “It [cutting transportation infrastructure funds] is done out of economic sensibility.”
Smolensk North Air Base (IATA-None ; ICAO-XUBS) is an unmarked joint military-civilan use airport, and not categorized for “revenue” (routine commercial or charter passenger) flights by the International Civil Aviation Organization. As such it is an unmarked airfield in use only for domestic air traffic or military purposes as a mixed-use facility.
Smolensk-North sits at 820 ft/250m above mean sea level (AMSL). The runway lies on an almost a due west heading of 270 degrees.
Conspiracy Theory # 1 – Instrument Landing Systems are completely dependent on highly calibrated ground equipment. Something as simple as a stray ground vehicle can significantly alter the radio signals that indicate landing aircraft’s desired flight path. Such an event would not be recorded, probably not even recognized, and certainly unprovable after the fact.”
No. 101 wasn’t even using ILS since Smolensk-North wasn’t equipped with it, although it doesn’t discount the possibility of other methods of electronic tampering.
The Poles knew this (and would certainly have had counter-measures), and were well prepared for a Non-Precision Approach without an ILS.
The pilot who flew the mission on the 8th in No. 101 reported that with good visual cues, landing at Smolensk was was not a problem without the ILS and that the runway length was better than adequate. The only difficulty he mentioned was that the runway itself was old and in worn shape.
Defense analyst and former Polish military pilot Mikhal Fisher noted that in the Soviet Union/Russia they use a unique instrumental landing system called PRMG, which works the same way as the international Western system ILS, but the two are not compatible.
No. 101 was early modified to use the ILS in the Soviet era as the plane was mainly flying to various airports that used it.
Mixed-use military bases in Russia operated for revenue (ie. routine passenger carrier booking and cargo) are also marked by the IATA/ ICAO as “civil” even though operated by the military, and are classified according to international standardized regulations.
This material is widely published throughout the aviation world.
The universal language for all international civil air traffic and control is English. Under international aviation rules, air traffic controllers are not required to communicate in English unless the airport is certified as an international airport. Only two airports are certified as an international airport and both are in Moscow.
If a foreign crew is landing at an unknown airfield, or one without international certification, Russian flight rules require it to have a Russian-speaking navigator, although I read elsewhere that this requirement may have been dropped.
It was reported that the inbound pilot spoke Russian, with friends saying that the pilot spoke it fluently. He could therefore perfectly understand the ATC’s warnings commencing while the Polish craft was still airborne over Belarus.
“The business daily Kommersant reported that about 50 military personnel maintain the airport which is used only sporadically for official business. It said the airfield has no permanent traffic controllers, and they are brought from the city of Tver when it’s necessary.” http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100413/ap_on_re_eu/eu_poland_plane_crash
Tver is north of Moscow, and approximately 200 miles northeast of Smolensk. What may have been meant is that the air traffic controllers came from Migalovo (also given as Tver Migalovo, Kalinin) (IATA: KLD, ICAO: UUEM), essentially in the heartland of Russian aviation science and history.
It would be consistent with the overall gravity of the situation to have had military experienced RAF traffic controllers.
Migalovo is an active RAF large military air base in Tver Oblast, Russia located 10 km west of the city of Tver. It currently houses all of Russia’s remaining Antonov An-22 fleet. It is an Ilyushin Il-76 base, with some Antonov An-12 aircraft stored.
Smolensk Aviation Plant still produces and repairs the Il-76. Smolensk-North was an original home base of the Il-76.
Tver is the native home of Andrei Tupelov, the aircraft designer. It also houses the Zhukov Air and Space Defense Academy – the main college of the Voiska PVO (Air Defense). Tupelov aerospace and defense is now known as the Public Stock Company Tupelov, successor of the famed Tupelov OKB.
The capabilities of PSC Tupolev include development, manufacturing and overhaul for both civil and military aerospace products such as aircraft and weapons systems.
The Difference Between Putin And Obama – Steel versus Jello?
Brother Nathanael,
To say that we Poles are Jewish loving is so wrong.
Some of the political parties in Poland have been infiltrated by the Jews in exactly the same way as the USA. Former and the third Polish President‘s father whose current name is Kwasniewski was a Russian KGB Jew by the name of Stolzman that changed his name when resettling in Poland.
Many Jewish / Polish politicians are still hiding under Polish names. But when you ask Polish citizens about their feelings towards Jews you will either meet with uncomfortable silence or a straight forward answer if they happen to be the courageous ones.
On behalf of millions of Poles I declare that we have had enough of the Jews destructive influence on our country and its citizens. The majority of us are Catholics and yet we respect other Christian religions too.
So, please don’t judge us unfairly, I have been visiting this website on regular basis and always approved and even supported Brother Nathanael financially. But I am shocked by your support for regime change in Poland and bitterly disappointed by the recent comments about Poles.
We all believe in one and the same God and as Christians some people should be ashamed of their sarcastic opinion of Poles or murder of our dead President! Don’t make jokes at the expense of someone’s tragedy! I strongly believe it WASN’T an accident. And Putin with his nerves of steel may have played a major role in it!
More and more is being exposed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbNYhzGdwjs&feature=player_embedded#!
All I want is Poland to be free of oppression. I would like Poland to be Poland!!!!
Truly Polish.
‘Arrogant Zionist Puppet Likely Caused Crash of Polish Plane’
From: http://brianakira.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/arrogant-zionist-puppet-likely-caused-crash-of-polish-plane/
‘The former Polish president, Lech Kaczyński, had a history of abusing his authority’
In August 2008, the arrogant Kaczyński ordered his pilot, Grzegorz Pietruczuk, to land in Tbilsi, even though the pilot had told him that it would be too dangerous, and that a landing would violate safety protocols. Stupid Kaczyński called Pietruczuk a coward, and threatened him.
In spite of this, the sensible Pietruczuk refused to land, and instead diverted the plane to an airport in Azerbaijan. Kaczyński later told journalists that Polish officers should not be so cowardly. Kaczyński then tried to have Pietruczuk charged with deleriction of duty, but state prosecutors refused to press charges.
Pietruczuk was later decorated by the Defense Ministry for having ignored Kaczyński’s infantile threats and insults, and for having put the safety of his passengers first. Pietruczuk nevertheless suffered from depression following the incident.
Unfortunately, Pietruczuk was not flying the Polish Air Force’s Tupelov Tu-154M that crashed near the Russian village of Pechersk, north of Smolensk, on 2010.04.10, after the pilot had recklessly (and illegally?) attempted to land in spite of repeated safety warnings due to inclement weather.
The flight, piloted by Arkadiusz Protasiuk, had departed from Warsaw’s Frédéric Chopin Airport at 07:23 local time. Thick fog around Smolensk had reduced visibility to about 500 metres, and the pilot, from the 36th Special Aviation Regiment, ignored advice from ground control to divert to a safer airport in Minsk or Moscow.
The Tupelov struck a 20-metre antenna it had been homing in on through the fog, 1 km from the airfield, and crashed (at 10:56 local time), into 10-metre high trees 200 metres from the airfield, breaking into pieces across the wooded area.
Shortly before the Tupelov crash, the Russian crew of an Ilyushin Il-76 abandoned attempting to land at Smolensk, and diverted to the Vnukovo Airport near Moscow.
Two of the three black box flight recorders were recovered undamaged from the crash site on the day of the crash, and the recordings confirmed that the pilot had been attempting to land against the advice of the air traffic controllers. The third black box was found on 2010.04.12.
“We’ve got two recorders: a voice recorder and a flight parameters recorder. The Aviation Committee in Moscow has examined them and will soon publish a report on what happened on board of the plane just before the crash,” said Polish Air Force Col. Zbigniew Rzepa, who, along with five Russian experts, is investigating the black boxes in Moscow.
Rzepa added that the boxes were slightly damaged but only on the surface, and that the recordings were intact.
The black boxes recordings showed that the crew ignored warnings and made two attempts to land. The flight recordings also reveal that Polish pilots, who communicated with the air traffic controllers in English and Russian, did not report any technical problems with the craft.
The pilots also contacted the crew of two other planes which were in the vicinity.
All 7 crew members and 89 passengers died in the crash. Casualties included President Kaczyński, his wife, the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces, other senior military officers, the President of the National Bank, the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, other government officers, members of parliament, and Roman Catholic clerics.
President Kaczyński’s body was identified in Smolensk, and was flown directly to Warsaw on the afternoon of 2010.04.11. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin escorted Kaczyński’s body to the awaiting plane, even though Kaczyński had supported Soros’ Georgian puppet Saakashvili in his Anglo-American-Zionist-backed 2008 attack on Russian peace-keepers in South Ossetia.
The bodies of Kaczyński and his wife are lying in state at the presidential palace in Warsaw. They will be buried at a state funeral on 2010.04.18, at Kraków’s Wawel Cathedral.
Kaczyński was an extreme Zionist, and spoke out in defense of the Zionist Entity, quite often against prevalent European positions. The Jewish Telegraphic Agency described Kaczyński as “a staunch supporter of Israel [sic].” Kaczyński visited the Zionist Entity’s Yad Vashem tourist attraction twice, and the director of Yad Vashem expressed “deep sorrow” and praised Kaczyński’s “commitment to preserving the memory of The Holocaust.”
The Zionist newspaper Ha’aretz reported that Kaczyński’s death “had special resonance in Israel [sic]” as it came on the eve of the annual “Holocaust Memorial Day”.
Zionist Entity Prime Minister Benjamin Natanyahu opened his weekly cabinet meeting on the Sunday after the crash by eulogizing Kaczyński and calling him “a great friend of the state of Israel [sic].” He continued, “President Kaczyński led an important process for opening a new page in relations between the Polish and Jewish people and developed Polish-Israeli [sic] relations.
During this painful hour we bow our heads, together with all of the citizens of Israel [sic], over the huge loss…to all nations that seek freedom and peace.””
Zionist Entity President Shimon Peres issued a statement, saying, “the news of the tragic accident that has taken the lives of my friend, President Lech Kaczyński, his wife Maria Kaczyńska…has been received with a great deal of pain, shock and distress.”
Zionist Entity Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said the Zionist Entity’s people share the grief of the Polish people at the death of Polish President Lech Kaczynski, adding that he was a true friend of the Zionist Entity, as evidenced by his important contribution to the formation of strategic relations between Poland and the Zionists. (…)
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Much more @ link.
Dear Norseman,
I don’t agree with Paul Drockton’s analysis of Russia because it is mostly an opinion piece and does not deal in facts or proof. And as far as opinion goes, I don’t think he understands Russia or Putin in a detailed or thorough way.
However, I object to the accusation of “disinfo agent” because that it in no way proven by you either. This accusation is a topic which I have been sensitive to since I noticed about a year ago that everyone who took the ‘wrong’ position on an issue was getting labeled a “Zionist agent”.
You know what, there is room for friends to be have different opinions and still be friends. I don’t feel like ‘dumping’ Paul Drockton because he speaks about his views of Russia. I want to argue with him and get him to listen to my way of seeing it. This is loyalty to him as a countryman.
I wish that you and other participants here would steer clear of denouncing others as “agents” when they are simply holding antithetical views based on what they have learned. It doesn’t foster brotherly love.
If you consider the risks Paul Drockton is taking to factually expose the revolting ‘molestocracy’ that exists hidden throughout this country, it is quite hard to imagine him as an intellectual prostitute of any kind. Rather, I believe he is an independent thinker and a bit of a big-mouth.
As a result he has the courage to say what is on his mind. Maybe lots of average people are wondering if RZN is a Russian ‘disinfo’ site?
See how damaging the activity of genuine disinformation is? It makes everyone suspect everyone else (atomization of society). We need to stick together or the ‘tribe’ wins, because they always practice cohesion for all the wrong reasons.
Peace in Christ.
Dear Lynda –
Your comparison of Hitler to the Orthodox Christian Byzantine Emperors is unfounded if not preposterous.
NO historian has EVER dared such an absurd comparison. SUBJECT CLOSED.
+Brother Nathanael
Orthodox Christian
“What is the problem? JEWS, that is the problem. THEY TAKE CONTROL once an Autocratic ruling caste is taken out of the way.” -BN-
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=496#comment-74445
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Hoff: GOOD post here Dear Br Nathanael. l have been ranting relentless that the Jew want to be king over all non-Jews. But this BN comment made me realise a new thing about the Jew.
When l woke up to the Jew four years ago l didn’t have that much to go on. lt’s like when you make a puzzle and you make the sky. Most part is blue, hence you got a stockpile with blue pieces that you have no clue wher they fit in the puzzle. What you do is you sort out the white pieces, the sky.
lf you don’t have the Blueprint, the picture to go by all you can do is to start puzzle the clouds. When you develop you had an event. l woke up to the Jew because l had an event, l read two short sentences that changed my life.
What happened was that l did a search and the second hit was to the Jew-wise site Radio lslam. l knew Radio lslam because l had done a lot of reading there some five years before, and l dismissed the whole Jew Conspiracy as a brain-ghost.
The search l did had nothing whatsoever to do with Jews, nothing. Out of curiosity l clicked the link and started to read, expecting nothing that would change my mind about the Jew Conspiracy.
-We are going to tell you about Jews, but not anyone we call a Jew. We are going to tell you about jews who themself say they are jews.
Why l did dismiss the whole site was because they had list after list, claiming this one is a Jew, he-she call him-her this name and this is the Jew’s real name. Page up and page down the Jew list went on. Anyone can claim that anyone is a Jew, but where is the proof?
But Jews that themselves say they are Jews, that is a complete different story. l opened the window, made coffee and then l started to re-read the whole site with new eyes. l have a pocket-PC, a Blackberry. l’m on the net 24-7. l read this one Jew about a topic. Then l read another Jew o the same topic, completely contradicting the first Jew.
What Jew is telling the truth here? Reading, thinking and writing on the net, puzzling clouds that l had no idea where they would fit in the Jew-puzzle. Almost to the day three years later l read three words, three little words in a context and l saw the blueprint, the big picture to the Jew-puzzle.
lt was the Jew Henry Makow that summed up Jura Lina’s stance on what really happened in Sovjet with “Jewish Gang War.”
These three little words in that context was what made it possible for me to see the blueprint to the Jew-puzzle. lnstantly l knew where to place all the clouds l puzzled for three years. And they just fitted right.
l still read about the Jew, but no way near as intensive as l did for three years. Now l know what the Jew is doing. l know what, how and why the Jew is doing and what the Jew does.
A year later l read Br Nathanael’s comment and the last cloud is in the puzzle. Only a very few Jews can be king, but do you know what all Jews, from the brightest to the dumbest Jew, have in common? They can all be the Jew elite, the new Jew Autocracy.
Think about it, this is why most Jews goes along. Because the day the Jews is the New Jew Autocracy, that day even the dumbest Jew will have more political power than any white Christian King ever had.
The Whole Jew Scam ls About Replacing The white Christian Elite With The Jew
There are some different ways this exchange from white Christian Elite to a Jewish Elite can be done.
The first thing the Jews did in Russia in 1917 was to kill the whole Russian king’s Secret Police, hence the Jews exchanged the old white Christian king’s Secret Police with a Jew Secret Police.
Do you know what the first thing the New Jew Secret Police did once the Jews were in total control? The Jews took the phone book and there the entire old white Christian elite were by name, adress and occupation. Do you know what the Jews did then? They started at A, and then the Jews systematically killed the entire old white Christian elite.
Man, wife and children were taken to the nearest forest and shot in the back of the head. A, page after page was shot by Jews. Then the Jews started with B, page after page the Jews killed the whole white Christian elite that had a surname starting with a B.
Then the Jews killed the entire white Christian elite who’s surname started with a C. Page after page after page. Then the Jews started the same systematic killing by the letter D, then E, then F, then … What letter do your surname start with?
This is what the Jew did in Russia from 1917 and on. This is what REALLY happened in white Christian Russia, the Jews killed off the entire old white Christian elite by surname and replaced them with a New Jew Elite.
lf that or this Jew is king really doesn’t matter, all the Jewish masses cares about is to replace the old white Christian elite with a New Jew Elite.
One hundred years later the Jews have exchanged the white Christian elite in America with a New Jew Elite.
No? Okay, then explain to me how come that the single most important office is held by the Jew Rahm “Rahmbo” Emanuel as Chief of Staff in The Whore House? Explain why a black is puppident in America if the white Christian elite is in charge of America?
Do you know what the difference between the Russian (m)asses, the people im Russia 1917 and the American (m)asses the year 2010? Nothing! They are equally stupid and at best ignorant about the Jew.
Do you know what the Jewish conspiracy is all about? Replacing the old white Christian elite with the New Jew Elite.
Every single thing the Jews do is about exchanging the old Christian elite with a New Jew Elite.
l, Hoff, have the blueprint to the Jewish conspiracy. Can YOU see the picture? lf you don’t, YOU and l LOSE.
Dear Michael K –
Once again I THANK YOU for your very valuable contribution to OUR site, Real Zionist News, which you bring in so many ways.
In you stating: “Maybe lots of average people are are wondering if RZN is a Russian ‘disinfo’ site?'” I must respond.
If any MAY POSSIBLY be wondering if Real Zionist News is a ‘disinfo’ site, then the burden of proof is on them to show evidence of this.
Thus far, the few who maintain this CANNOT PROVE IT with FACTS.
Real Zionist News is EVIDENCED BASED with extensive RESEARCH. I do not see any other site that even comes close. +bn
Dear Halina –
I said the “Polish people are Jew loving?”
No, I NEVER said such a thing. I KNOW better, believe me having grown up in Pittsburgh PA.
I said that the present Polish government is Jew loving. That’s what I said.
Thanks for your Great comment! +bn
Dear Lynda –
Please repost this important link:
http://www.birdflu666.wordpres.com/2010/04/was-the-polish-president-killed-over-landmark-gas-deal
It comes up ERROR. I and many others are very interested in this link.
And thank you for your excellent commentary on the Poland plane crash affair. +bn
Dear Lynda:
Correct link, birdflu666, converted to tinyURL is:
http://tinyurl.com/33t6po6
Dear BN –
There was a typo in Lynda’s link. Try this one. The article is there:
http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/was-the-polish-president-killed-over-landmark-gas-deal/
Aloha, Brother Nathanael,
The Roman armies of Titus marked the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem and the end of the Jewish nation in the year A.D. 70.
The consequence of rejecting the divine mercy and salvation of truth offered by Jesus to the Sanhedrin was the destruction of Israel.
The Most Highs rule in the kingdoms of men, and this rule is not for the especial benefit of any especially favored group of mortals. There is no such thing as a “chosen people.” The rule of the Most Highs, the overcontrollers of political evolution, is a rule designed to foster the greatest good to the greatest number of all men and for the greatest length of time.
The destruction of Jerusalem was the outworking of the Most Highs in the kingdoms of men.
The America nation was also called the “American Israel” in 1783 by Ezra Styles, and that “the Lord shall have made his American Israel high above all nations which he has made,” and all the while the Christian Zionists are praising the Jewish calling for the rebuilding of the Temple.
Both are inconsistent with the teachings of Jesus and the rule of the Most High.
If America and its parasitic twin, Israel, continue on their rebellious and sinful anti-Christ path, wouldn’t it be likely that these material and spiritual criminals in control of the nations get “cut off at the pass,” so-to-speak, on their path to Jewish world government and global dictatorship, by the Most Highs who rule in the kingdoms of men?
Russia may very well function as a lever to lift the nations from a Zionist world order by the Most Highs. Perhaps Mr. Putin, blackbelt in judo, is the new Titus.
…According to “Rzeczpospolita” the notebook of the former Defence Minister Aleksander Szczyglo as well as documents belonging to the former security chief Zbigniew Wassermann were seized.
The new revelations will fuel concerns that the Polish elite were murdered for the profit of the Globalists eager to seize control of gas deposits, monetary policy and also weaken Poland’s health minister who refused the pandemic vaccine.
Evidence that the plane was brought down is circulating widely in Poland.
Brother Nathanael,
I also like Henry Makow, especially regarding social issues, but he’s an idiot regarding this matter. Yes, a complete idiot, raving about the Russians taking all the passengers off the plane and shooting them and other lunacies. Is he just stoned? I don’t know.
“Idiot” is too harsh? No. This matter of NWO and Zionist and Masonic lies and scheming is too serious to allow mad theories to discredit serious analysis.
Just think of how many people thought something was strange about the official 911 story, but quickly got turned away from the “911 Truth” movement when they heard these disinfo tools [fill in here the name of your ‘favourite’ disnfo agent] raving about “Bin Laden is a reptile, he’s Bush’s cousin” or whatever.
I noticed that Henry generally talks nonsense about Russia, since he printed something based on “an informed Russian reader” who claimed that “everybody knows” Putin and Medvedev are Jews. And the “evidence” that Putin is a Jew? Well, his mother’s maiden name is an ancient Slavonic name, so obviously she must be Jewish! How can you even start to argue with that?
Makow:
Oh, he’s “informed”? Then who am I to disagree with such an “informed” reader!?
“Two kids on are youtube video,” eh? You can’t possibly find more reliable aviation experts than that!
Makow:
Yeah, sure, the Russian “KGB” went to Warsaw, took scores of senior Polish military personnel, politicians (including the president!), and bureaucrats prisoner, marched them off somewhere, shot them, then “made it look like” they’d actually gotten on a plane.
I thought perhaps Makow had become temporarily insane, and might snap out of it. …
Now he’s even got a link to “news” from ‘worldreports.org’ stating:
“President Mikheil Saakashvili of Georgia has stated on a CNN interview that quote ‘something incredibly evil was involved here.'”
Saakashvili is an even bigger NWO tool than Kaczynski was!
Please, stop the madness! I can’t take any more!
And such nonsense about Kaczynski!
Makow:
No “but…”. Kaczynski was 100% in favour of Poles being in Afghhanistan, Iraq. He would send them to Georgia, the West Bank, anywhere his puppet-masters told him to send them.
Makow:
Poland uses the Euro and is in the EU. What does “an independent course” mean? Leaving the Eurozone and the EU?
Makow:
He was skeptical? He fought? He argued against?
He gave the Lisbon Treaty his presidential assent on 2008.04.09.
End of story.
+ + +
“Arrogant Zionist Puppet Likely Caused Crash of Polish Plane”:
http://brianakira.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/arrogant-zionist-puppet-likely-caused-crash-of-polish-plane/
I read on one of those “PUTIN DID SMOLENSK!” sites:
“Poland lost, in addition to the President of the Polish Republic and his wife:
• The Chief of the Polish Air Force.
• The Chief of the Polish Army General Staff.
• The Commander-in-chief of the Polish Navy.
= ALL THE MILITARY SERVICE CHIEFS.
• The head of Polish Intelligence (National Security Bureau).
• The three top officials inside the Office of the President of the Republic.
• The Governor of the National Bank of Poland.
• The Deputy Foreign Minister of Poland.”
Please, somebody stop me before I start telling Polish jokes!
Yes, a tragedy, but humour will help us get through it.
Did they not look around the cabin and think, “Hmmm… I wonder if we should all be on the same plane? After all, sometimes planes have been known to crash.”
Yep, Putin must have slipped Stupid Pills into all their coffees that morning.
And I actually have a video of Vladimir Vladimirovich sneaking across the border from Konigsberg/Kaliningrad carrying a gigantic coffee urn and a bag of pills.
At the apex of the Pyramid which is the globalist New World Order, is Satan, Lucifer, and possibly a third demon, to imitate the Blessed Divinity.
Next, under them is the globalist bankers.
These people are totally possessed by demons, so much so that it is the demons, and they are many, who manifest through them and their own identity is insignificant.
These demons then control everything that goes on beneath in the pyramid, in the terrestrial hierarchy, through their shadow government which is the demonic hierarchy of hell.
This is why St Paul said our battle is not against flesh and blood but against the powers and principalities of the spiritual realm.
These globalist banker controllers at the head of the terrestrial hierarchy of the emerging Dictatorship of Pure Evil, to give it a name – being of a totally occult bent, ie governed in all their decisions and actions, desires and drives, to manifest Satan et al in full control over the souls of men, do not, perhaps cannot, think like other men.
And we must be wary of letting our own judgements of world events be formed or coloured according to the ‘human’ way of thinking, just because it happens to be affecting the lives of humans, in a world seemingly inhabited soley by humans, for the benefit of a global elite at the expense of the rest of mankind.
This type of thinking will limit our vision and we, by missing the big picture will not take corrective action.
The big picture will spur us on to correct evasive and conquest techniques to oppose the demonic hierarchy, using for guidance the hierarchy of God and his angels led by St Michael the Great as I see and thus name him. [Apocalypse]
This guidance is freely available to all. Heaven is not an elitist paradise where only the chosen are admitted to begin with.
The chosen of heaven are simply so because they have given their hearts to God.
They are thus blessed with the knowledge, wisdom, discernment, love, faith, hope and above all perserverence (“those who perservere to the end will be saved.”).
All the while seeking to do the will of God in helping to lift up humanity of which they are a part, not separate, to God and away from the clutches of Satan and those who work tirelessly with him and in him to blot out humanity’s connection with their Creator, which connection belongs to the soul of man as well as to the senses;
You see this merciless pressure, deception and fabrication everywhere you look, but hopefully not within ourselves.
Pray and fast, and God wll reveal himself to you.
Many now in the Moslem world, the Hindu world and amongst other religions are daily joining the army of God – “Many will come from East and West to sup in the Kingdom of God but the children of the Kingdom will be cast out.”….. do not deceive yourself that this refers to recalcitrant Jews, many Jews also will be in God’s Kingdom.
This refers rather to those who have shunned the working of God in and on them…..not a hair of your head is unknown to God….let alone what you need for your eternal salvation, no matter who you are.
Christ died for all, not simply those among whom the Gospel has been preached to them by weak and faltering humanity, and who have responded to that particular grace….precious as it is.
And this, the precious Gospel itself makes plain.
Therefore our hearts and our prayers should help incorporate all of humanity to God’s plan for Salvation.
Only then will we save our own souls –
“For the measure you use for others, that is the measure God will use for you.”
Greetings in the Lord Jesus, Akira,
I read somewhere (can’t find it now) that because of this crisis Poland is re-evaluating their continuity of government policy and protocols regarding their top echelon VIP’s traveling together in one plane.
There appears to be something of a precedent in terms of a need to reformulate their current practices.
Two years ago Poland faced the same problem on a smaller scale when top brass of the military lost their lives in a military transport flight involving a Spanish-made CASA C-295M. At that time it was called “the worst military disaster in more than three decades.”
God rest all of their souls.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/24/poland.marktran
Twenty members of the Polish military were killed when their plane crashed on the way back from a flight safety conference.
Poland’s prime minister, Donald Tusk, said the accident as the plane was about to land yesterday evening was a “huge loss for the Polish air force.”
“Soldiers, husbands and fathers have died, and that is the most tragic result of this catastrophe,” said Tusk, who visited the site of the accident.
The plane, carrying 16 passengers including a brigadier general, a colonel and four crew members crashed on approach to an air force runway at Miroslawiec shortly after 7pm local time (6pm GMT).
The Spanish-built CASA C-295M military transport plane was about 3km from the airstrip when it clipped trees, crashed in a wooded area and burst into flames, officials said.
Tusk said rescue workers were still looking for the “black box” flight recorder. The plane had more people on board when it took off from Warsaw, but had landed at three other military airports – in Powidz, Poznan and Krzesiny – to return soldiers to their home bases.
It had been scheduled to make one more stop, in Swidwin, before returning to its base in Krakow. Polish media described the accident as the worst military disaster in more than three decades.
The Polish president, Lech Kaczynski, was cutting short his trip to Croatia to return to Poland today.
The Polish parliament postponed its planned daily session and a mass was planned at Warsaw’s military church.
Among those killed were Brig Gen Andrzej Andrzejewski, commander of an air brigade based in Swidwin and the commander of the Miroslawiec airbase, Col Jerzy Pilat.
A Polish military expert, Grzegorz Holdanowicz, said it was the first air disaster involving a CASA C-295M, a plane he called one of the safest in the Polish air force. The Polish military also uses the plane type in Iraq and in Afghanistan, where it supports the US-led operations.”
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In terms of any MOTIVE and INTENT for a theoretical, and yet unproven crime based on the evidence concerning the Smolensk aviation disaster and pointing the finger at Russia, there really are other very bad actors on the world stage that more plausibly would and could consider doing a decapitation strike with much stronger criminal motives and intent designed as a mass coverup. Obama Admin is still sitting on this one.
http://blog.taragana.com/pr/fresh-evidence-shows-polish-government-cia-cooperation-on-renditions-13535/
Freedom of Information Requests Uncover Flight Details
WARSAW, Poland, February 22, 2010 – Official flight records obtained by rights groups confirm that at least six CIA rendition flights landed in Poland in 2003 and reveal details of a cover-up by U.S. and Polish authorities.
The Polish Air Navigation Services Agency (PANSA) provided the flight logs in response to a freedom of information request filed by the Helsinki Foundation for Human Rights in collaboration with the [Soros] Open Society Justice Initiative.
The disclosure marks the first time a Polish government agency has confirmed, on the record, that aircraft associated with the CIA landed repeatedly at Szymany Airport, close to a suspected CIA secret detention and interrogation site for “high-value detainees” in northern Poland. In the past, the Polish government denied its involvement in rendition.
It failed to provide any of these flight records to previous investigations conducted by the European Parliament and the Council of Europe.
“It is time for the authorities to provide a full accounting of Poland’s role in rendition,” said Adam Bodnar of the Helsinki Foundation for Human Rights, based in Warsaw. “These flight records reinforce the troubling findings of official European enquiries and global human rights groups, showing complicity with CIA abuse across Europe.”[…]
Who benefits from this madness?
Dear Akira –
Dr Henry Makow and I have agreed to disagree on matters-Putin and Russia.
That said, I highly respect Dr Henry Makow who has made invaluable contributions to the Truth movement. AND – he was one of the FIRST to do so.
I spoke today with one of my many sources who travels extensively throughout the world. The source felt strongly that Putin nor the Mossad had anything to do with the Polish plane crash.
Did Putin, as you bring out so hilariously dear Akira, put some stupid pills into the Polish government officials so that they ALL would fly together? Ha ha.
Mossad could not have arranged that either.
And whether or not they were flying to Russia to cement a Gazprom deal would NOT end that deal due to their deaths.
The deal WILL be sealed if that is what has been planned for months with or without the dead officials.
I have been well informed that the crash was due to HEAVY FOG and there was no outside involvement in the crash.
If any can counter this WITH FACTS and NOT touched up videos or photos please do so.
If any can affirm what I am proposing WITH FACTS I would most welcome that.
+Brother Nathanael
This is off the subject, but it is about being self-sufficient.
If one buys vegetable plants from local stores, they are buying hybrid plants that have been genetically modified, from Monsanto. Seeds cannot be saved from these plants to replant.
So I only buy heirloom, non GMO, open pollinated seeds. Don’t be fooled by vegetable seed packages that state, “Organic.” They are probably just hybrid seeds grown organically, to fool the consumer.
Dear Michael K.,
Point taken regarding Drockton.
I do hope that he is only big mouthed.
However, it strucks me that:
1-he does not mention the Jew behind the scenes,
2-he consistently publishes propaganda against Putin’s Russia, and
3-he seems to court Alex Jones.
I grant him the benefit of doubt, but please understand that these are special times. In fact we do need to suspect EVERYONE (“be wise as serpents”). Otherwise we will end up working and fighting wars for the Jew again.
Suspect EVERYONE outside the mainstream media that speaks about world politics WITHOUT mentioning the EVIL-DOERS, which are the JEWS.
Alex Jones is the archetype of such a Zionist disinfo agent.
Smolensk tragedy
As we can see here:
http://avherald.com/h?article=429ec5fa&opt=0
These very informative satellite photos shows the path followed by the doomed TU-154M.
1 – The crew was flying almost blindly in heavy fog but were almost there regarding lateral course.
Smolensk does not have any permanent ILS system (may be they use mobile military Russian versions occasionally).
2 – Until approx. 1000 meters (first ground object impact) from runaway border probably following VOR/NDB navigation procedures (non-precision approach).
3 – No glide slope info available, so altitude totally dependent on baro-altimeter and radar altimeter.
Now, it is obvious that whatever went wrong has to be related with altitude info.
There is a good terrain profile of the crash site here (roll down):
http://luckybogey.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/northern-lights-of-smolensk/
It can be seen a fairly large depression 1700 meters before the runaway.
According with Interfax Agency on April, 23 2010:
http://www.interfax.com/news.asp?y=2010&m=4&d=23&pg=2
18:36
Polish plane had ground collision warning system on – IAC findings
Undetermined class of equipment:
TAWS (Terrain Awareness and Warning System) or GPWS (Ground Proximity Warning System)??
So the crew must have been aware of altitude with synthetic voice calls and visual indications(i.e.EXCESSIVE RATE OF DESCENT) if fitted with TAWS.
But not enough reaction time if equiped with older GPWS.
“This is determined by the fact that GPWS class systems are conceptually unable to provide an alert earlier than 5-30 seconds before the collision, which is not always long enough for remedying the situation. It should be noted that in some cases, e.g., during the flight over
an exceptionally rugged terrain, these systems may fail to work at all.”
See TAWS specs brochure:
http://cylib.iit.nau.edu.ua/Mirrors/avia.transas.com/PDF/TAWS.pdf
My first impression points towards an accident although terrain awareness equipment can be jammed…
KathJulianne:
“Poland is re-evaluating their continuity of government policy and protocols regarding their top echelon VIP’s traveling together in one plane.”
Better late than never!
Perhaps Polish officials from now on should be restricted to getting around on tricycles, with helmets and kneepads.
Or would they somehow manage to all ride over a cliff at the same time?
“When it comes to politics there are no accidents…” FDR.
Go back over the last century’s deaths in office of world leaders – there were no accidents. Not even in Australia.
Globalist bankers should be held guilty till proven innocent, as they are ALWAYS responsible, behind the scenes, which mens THEY are always responsible.
This is their Achilles heal. As soon as their money is threatened they go ballistic, no matter what their slimy policies beforehand.
This time they have failed however, and it is the beginning of the end for them.
The journalist who found no bodies at the crash site almost immediately after, had been to other crash sites where there were bodies everywhere.
Has anyone seen any bodies since, including the body of the president and his wife, or just their coffin?
The list of strange anomalies and contradictions is endless.
The Polish EU delegate who gave a live interview to Russia Today admitted but did not explain why he refused to “get on the plane” at the last moment. You would think he would give an explanation, under the circumstances, if he had nothing to hide.
No, the bankers are guilty till someone proves otherwise.
If it was an accident prove it. Instead of waiting to prove it was foul play – which is ridiculous.
Poland was finally out of the bankers’ grasp and they could’t allow the example to be set.
Putin and other world leaders are protected by the highest security, including a continuity of policy if they meet foul play, which ensures that no value will accrue from their death..
Poland must adopt the very same stance in regards to the continuity of policy..so it can finally free itself from foreign influence.
It has powerful friends on its doorstep, to assist, who were former enemies.
I rest my case. Can’t fight fanatics. God bless you all. But sooner or later the truth will be exposed!
Obama is not weak. He’s just an employee of Jewry.
And the Jews are the most spiritual, religious, intelligent, educated, sophisticated, brave, stable, wealthy and good (when you acknowledge their BIBLICAL right to rule over and teach the world) people.
They created LAWS. They’re stronger than Putin, the Pope, Ahmadinejad and any other leader in the world. It’s just a matter of time, you know that. FACTS ARE FACTS, O tender souls.
The heart often lies, but the MIND tells the Truth.
Like 9-11, the evidence that TU-154M was a black op, an inside job will emerge in the narrative. The truth will emerge from several different inquiries.
The 9-11 evidences were pieced together from physics, avionics, witnesses, background, motive and intent. For that inquiry no holds were barred and all holes in the the official conspiracy theory were bared.
People have had enough of the NWO political theatre, the Judaic Imperium, their victim shtiks and conjobs, elite interest cointelpro and all the rest of it. The truth was desparately important in 9-11 and it is desparately important in the TU-154M crash.
With 9-11 many hard headed inquiries converged to demonstrate that 9-11 was an inside ZOG job run by the Mossad and the CIA.
These inquiries have now been launched with regard to TU-154M. And nothing will stop it.
Henry Makow’s theory that it was a drone or an empty plane that came down at Smolensk is only a theory at this point. But I would hope that it is being seriously looked into all over the world.
These psy-ops involve too many variables for the perps to nail them all down and from the discrepancies, the truth will out.
I think Henry’s conjecture has a lot of merit because he knows how the Kabal operates and he understands the politics of the NWO. But it is very early days.
From another angle, the political background of Kaczynski’s Law and Justice Party is an important aspect to the TU-154M crash or as I now call it: the Katyn I & II Narrative.
The Law and Justice Party (PiS) was in government until 2007. In the election of the N. autum 2007, they entered into a coalition with the ruling PO or Civic Platform Party led by the current PM Donald Trump. He became the PM and Kaczynski became the president.
Now Trump was elected on the promise of bringing Polish soldiers home from the now completely discredited war in Iraq based on ZOG lies – a war that now amounts to a Crime Against Humanity in the eyes of the whole world thanks to the mighty NET and its truth seekers.
Behind the scenes, however, Trump had made a lot of deals with some very big players in the NWO.
As I said, his party did not win government in its own right in the Oct 2007 election. Kaczynski’s Law and Justice Party returned enough votes to win appointments for many of the former Kaczynski government’s old guard in the Law and Justice Party (PiS).
And it was specifically these appointments who were thwarting Trump’s progress in fulfilling his obligations and commitments to some very big players.
Previously, the former Kaczyniski gov’t had alienated the Western ZOGs in the EU, their NATO ally the Jewnited States – all Communists, Israel and Russia on an entire raft of issues. They were opposed to the Communist NWO and were effectively opposing JudeoNWO subversion of the nationalist interests of Poland.
When the Civic Platform Party (led by Trump) and the Law and Justice Party (led by Kaczynski) had to form a coalition in order to claim government, the Law and Justice Party appointments in the Trump government (Kaczynski’s old guard) continued to hold out against the new policies.
I use the term coalition advisedly. The picture is more like two pole cats tied by the tail and thown over a clothes line.
Trump managed to get his party elected (backed by Jew NWO support I do not doubt) on a ‘bring our soldiers home’ platform. But he had not defeated the old guard of the Law and Justice Party. They were still powerful enough to command key positions in the new gov’t. And in those positions they continued to obstruct the NWO agenda.
For example, Trump committed his government to the Gazprom deal with Russia. But the position of Kaczynski’s Law and Justice Party was that Poland should develop its own considerable shale gas reverves. The party’s previous foreign ministers (Sikorsky and Fotyga) likened the Civic Platform’s support for the Gazprom deal to a second Molotov-Ribbontrop Pact.
Just to give you some idea.
The Law and Justice appointments were thwarting the commitments of the Trump government to Israel and their NATO parner the ZOG of the Jewnited States.
In 2007, the Kaczynski government was severely carpeted by the Claims Conference / World Jewish Restitution Org. “Poland remains the only major country within the former Soviet Bloc that in the 18 years since the fall of Communism [ha ha] has not taken any measures to help former property owners or heirs recover property stolen since 1939 within that nations’ borders” – homes and Jewish infrastructure.
In Warsaw 2007, Big Jewry was in town for the holocaust shakedown. The ClaimsCon meeting was stalled by PM Kaczynski although in the end he committed to some of the demands of the shakedown.
http://www.claimscon.org/?url=negotiations/e_europe
In April 2007 (April 11, 2007 as a pt of interest) ahead of the ClaimsCon meeting, JewPAC sockpuppet Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton wrote to PM Lech Kaczynski. In her best presidential style, she directed him to enact legislation for the restitution of property confiscated during the Nazi and Soviet occupation of Poland.
http://jewsforhillary.wordpress.com/2007/04/11/clinton-lobbies-polish-government-for-restitution-of-property-stolen-during-wwii/
On June 25, 2007, the Kaczynski government alienated the EU summit. The Poles shat off the ZOG Communist stooges and war mongers Merkel, Sarkozy and Blair by winning a victory for a voting procedure favoured by Poland. And the Poles threw gasoline on the fire by refusing to address he subject of Polish reparations to the Jews. Rather they placed before the EU the demand that Poland be compensated for the deaths of milions of Poles under Nazi occupation. They made speeches against the censorship of the past. Well. They did everything but deny the holocaust.
“Polish Twins (the Kaczynskis) Accused of Bad Taste in Brussels” http://euobserver.com/9/24351
Picture that loathsome reptile Sarkosy coughing up his coissant.
Back in Warsaw, July 2007, the proverbial hit the fan.
The Civic Platform Party led by Donald Trump made 6 attempts to remove Kaczynski ministers from office on the basis of No Confidence.
July 4, 2007, the Civic Platform moved a vote of No Confidence in Kaczynski’s Foreign Minister Anna Fotyga in the lower house of the Sejim. They stated that she had caused Poland to be isolated during the Brussels summit in June 07. “She was incapable of assessing the international situation”. (Whatever this may mean) She and her delegation had “failed to win allies for Poland in its position on the EU’s new constitution treaty.” And so on.”Opposition vs Fotyga”
http://www.warsawvoice.pl/articleX.php/15350
The history of these two parties: the Civic Platform (Trump) and the Law and Justice Party (Kaczynski) in opposition does not look to me like there is much (if any) room for compromise. In coalition, something will have to give if PM Trump is to honour his obligations.
As PM, Trump made his obligatory booty call to Israel 2 April 2008. It goes without saying that he went to Yad Vashem to grovel before the Judaic Imperium and perform the prescribed obsequies of the goyim.
More to the point, he conferred with President Shimon Peres and PM Olmert. There he promised to resolve the issue of Polish compensation to the Jews with appropriate legislation.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7337985.stm.
To underline and emphasize the importance of Trump’s undertaking to Jewry, his NATO partner – the US ZOG called “upon the Polish government to immediately enact fair comprehensive, and just legislation so that persons (or heirs of such persons) who had their private property seized and confiscated by the Nazis during WW II or subsequently seized by the Communist Polish government after the war are able to obtain either resitution of their property or where restitution is not possible, fair compensation should be paid.” June 27, 2008
This was a message to Poland by name contained in the bipartisan resolutions before both Houses of the US Congress. These resolutions call for East European Property Restitution. The resolutions specifically cite the “lack of Holocaust era restitution progress in Poland and Lithuania.”
http://site3.claimscon.org/index.asp%5Eurl=news/eerestitution_063008/default.htm.
So, how is the Trump government and the Civic Platform going to get this legislation passed with a coalition partner like the Justice and Law Party led by Lech Kaczyinski and all the old guard Justice and Law appointments in his government?
Short answer: Not. And this is only one issue where PM Trump was being stymied from meeting his obligations to the NWO.
Now the way is conveniently clear. Too conveniently.
A narrative of the Smolensk crash is emerging and the political background chapters are very important.
It is entirely conceivable to me that the operatives of international Jewry engineered this crash and framed Russia. Or it is also conceivable that all the players acted in concert.
I am sure all lines of inquiry will be investigated by minds as suspicious of Katyn II as I am.
Even from the partial list of those killed, these are not just Polish government and military elite. Those killed were the members of the Kaczynski’s Law and Justice Party (PiS) which held appointments in the Trump government.
This very specific group of people had pissed off a lot of very powerful Jews and their ZOG puppets. They were in the way of the Trump government to get Poland to play NWO ball so to speak.
It is just TOO convenient that it is this specific group of Polish gov’t members, Law and Justice Party officials and Polish military who are killed in that crash.
I hope the mighty NET gets to work on this story from every angle of interest. It goes without saying that the operatives of the night and fog, smoke and mirrors machines have already gone to work on the Katyn II story.
How the Dumbest Jew Controls the Best King of the NonJews – by Hoff
When the dumbest Jew ever born screams the Jews bogus smear-slander word “ANTI-SEMITE,” or if that is to complicated word, “NAZI.”
Do you know what every single other Jews will do? The Jews will gang up and coral the king of nonJews and hunt him down.
Dear Lynda,
My English is rather limited and therefore it was difficult for me to express myself or explain things.
I am very impressed with your comments about Poland and Polish government and truly, truly grateful.
Thank you, Lynda. God bless you.
In August 2008, after Russians attack on Georgia President Lech Kaczynski consolidates the leaders of countries from Central Europe and with them, acting as a living shield goes to the capital of Georgia.
This gesture also stimulates the influential opinion of the international (France, USA, UK) to work every time, forcing Russia to withdraw its troops.
Lech Kaczynski is becoming the most hated politician by the authorities of the Russian Federation, and is seen as a threat to Russia’s existing plans for imperial.
Dear Halina,
Don’t be so quick to give up. We are not all fanatics.
I will go ahead and name the official crash theory by its true name, which no one else seems to be willing to address:
“The Stupid Polack Theory.”
Yes, that is the bottom line. Isn’t it ugly? I think it is a little too convenient, myself, considering how well it works with negative ethnic stereotypes of Poles.
Remember, my intuitive hunch is that the pilot was hit with a psychotronic “mind-snapper” weapon, causing him to lose cognitive control and steer the plane into the ground. Of course, there is too little to prove this so it is just a hunch.
The Peace of Christ be with You.
Thank you Halina,
When I read your comments above, I was really motivated to dig in and start thinking about the event I am calling Katyn II.
There is a lot more to this story as you know and as I am beginning to find out.
May God bless and keep you and your valiant nation.
Planes crash.
I’d be infinitely more upset if this plane had been carrying children.
And Lynda, Halina is well-pleased with you and your profound research into “Katyn II”, but you might be taken more seriously by serious people if you hadn’t just written 50 times [at 11:43 pm, above] that Donald Trump is the Prime Minister of Poland.
DOH!
You’ll probably get Hasbara demerits for that…
Dear MichaelK,
I have no PhD’s to flaunt, terrible at math and physics, might be able to engineer a paper bag from brown paper, scissors (not too sharp) and white glue, but still, I have some rusty wide range experience in public safety, from hours and hours of normal and emergency routines and procedures.
When I retired, I had 27 binders chock full training, policies and procedures materials that eventually got chucked as I went on to a new life, having lost 35% of my hearing to mid-range nerve deafness from the communications work.
I was beginning to mishear what people were saying. When taking a 9-1-1 critical incident call and making vital decisions in a matter of seconds, handling the radio communications of emergency services and police personnel under stress conditions, there can be no room for mistakes of hearing and response errors.
In many ways, my world was very similar to the pilots of No. 101 and the ATC crew, dealing with critical seconds.
This was a real call. You are a 9-1-1 dispatcher. A woman calls screaming hysterically because her husband has caught himself fully ablaze from an accident in the backyard involving a chainsaw and a tank of fuel, he’s run into the living room howling in terror and pain, only she’s not this articulate. All you catch is “husband-fire-help-husband-fire-fire!!!”
You have 10 seconds to save his life over the telephone. Of course, you begin ringing down a fire alarm response simultaneously, but fire and paramedics won’t get there in time unless they instantly teleport. What do you do?
By comparison, the brave crew of No. 101 had a 3-5 second window to turn a situation around that had turned to crap, and its not like they didn’t give it their very all to saving their own lives and that of their passengers they were in charge of, because they did, and they almost made it.
But, absent any criminal evidence that turns up during this multi-faceted investigation and the publishing of the final reports by the respective Aviation Safety agencies, as it stands so far is that the cause of the collision was the commander’s decision making and choice to attempt a landing in very well known risky circumstances. He was the commander of his airplane and he had the final say.
That’s not saying he was reckless or anything else, because he would not have made the attempt if he was not completely confident that he could manage the known risks as they were with all of the resources he had, and confident in the skills and abilities of the ATC crew to help guide him to a safe landing.
PhD’s looking for vast geo-political religious-psychological criminal theories powered by satanism, all of which have their place.
My talent is basically looking for the pulled electrical plug which caused a computer network to crash. The techs are trouble-shooting for all kinds of malfunctions. I look for the guy looking sheepish with the knot on his head after he smacked the wall tripping over the cord.
We simply cannot afford to be so theoretical, mystical and spiritual as to be of no earthly use.
I once took a call from a brilliant, multiple PhD rocket scientist with top security clearances who worked for NASA-Ames Research at Moffett Field, CA who was extremely lost and woebegone and couldn’t find his car. Moffett is a big base. Transferred the call to the base MP’s to handle.
Later they called back and said “You won’t believe this. Dr. X was lost in his own lobby. This morning he parked his car in his reserved spot he’s had for twenty years, taking the same pathway he always does.
“During the day public works tore up the old sidewalk, poured some new concrete and barricaded the walkway. It blocked his route to his car. He couldn’t figure out that he could turn right instead of left from the front door, and walk around the other side of the building to get to his parking spot. And its a square building.”
“Oh,” said I, “he must be an older gent.”
“Nooooo, he’s 47.”
And that is my rocket scientist story for the day.
Dear Brothers and Sisters,
Are you, like me, ready to scream the next time you here some Jewish person drag up some out of context Biblical quote to justify their actions and attitudes?
Here’s an example:
Deuteronomy 28:12-14 [NKJV]
“The LORD will open to you His good treasure, the heavens, to give the rain to your land in its season, and to bless all the work of your hand. You shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow.
“And the LORD will make you the head and not the tail; you shall be above only, and not be beneath, if you heed the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you today, and are careful to observe them. So you shall not turn aside from any of the words which I command you this day, to the right or the left, to go after other gods to serve them.”
Responses:
1.
This is addressed to “Israel”, not to “the Jews”. However, even if somebody insists that this is some sort of “promise to the Jews”, let’s consider what this “promise” entails.
2.
“You shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow” [καὶ δανειεῖς ἔθνεσι πολλοῖς, σὺ δὲ οὐ δανειῇ] does not necessarily mean cash or property, or even material assistance.
The verb used in the Septuagint is δανείζω, which also has the meaning of give or assist, as in the modern Greek phrase, “δώσει μια χείρα βοηθείας”, meaning “lend/give a helping hand.”
So, “you shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow,” could be taken to mean, “you will be in a position to help others, and will not be a burden to others.”
(BTW, the literal meaning of the secondary clause is, “other nations will not lend to you,” so obviously this passage couldn’t describe The Zionist Entity.)
Anyway, even if one accepts that the phrase is intended in a monetary sense, it says nothing about usury.
And the noun “δάνειο”, loan, does not mean a usurious loan.
In fact, the prophet Ezekiel condemns usurious interest as an abomination, metaphorically portraying it the shedding of blood. (Cf: loan-sharks as leeches, blood-suckers, and vampires.)
Usury is even forbidden in Talmudic Judaism, but only between Jews; non-Jews are considered “fair game.”
The Church has always taught that usury is always a sin, regardless of who is the borrower and who is the debtor.
Nowadays we keep hearing about “dangers of debt,” “the debt trap,” and so on. They’ll talk about “programs to help people “better manage their debt,” but nobody in “authority” will dare to say that it is a SIN to exploit others, to prey on their weaknesses (which, btw, also applies to gambling, drugs, prostitution, pornography, and so on) that it’s USURY, and that it destroys the soul and destroys society.
They’ll say that “religious beliefs have no place in public policy,” which is rubbish, because politicians have no problems condemning rape and murder as evil.
No, they won’t condemn (or even mention!) usury, out of Fear of the You-Know-Whos.
Leviticus 25:36-37:
“Take no usury or interest from him; but fear your God, that your brother may live with you. You shall not lend him your money for usury, nor lend him your food at a profit.”
[οὐ λήψῃ παρ᾿ αὐτοῦ τόκον, οὐδὲ ἐπὶ πλήθει· καὶ φοβηθήσῃ τὸν Θεόν σου, ἐγὼ Κύριος, καὶ ζήσεται ὁ ἀδελφός σου μετὰ σοῦ. τὸ ἀργύριόν σου οὐ δώσεις αὐτῷ ἐπὶ τόκῳ καὶ ἐπὶ πλεονασμῷ οὐ δώσεις αὐτῷ τὰ βρώματά σου.]
3.
Deuteronomy 28:12-14 is conditional:
“…if you heed the commandments of the LORD your God…and are careful to observe them…you shall not turn aside from any of the words…to the right or the left, to go after other gods to serve them.”
And what happens if one doesn’t fulfill the above conditions? Jews love to quote and claim all the promises allegedly made to them, and then skip over the requirements of the contract.
Reading the following passage, it should be easy to see why the Orthodox Church doesn’t teach that the Old Testament is always to be taken literally, and that our relationship with God is based on Grace, not on “Contract.”
The Church teaches (as far as I understand) that the ancient Israelites and the Jews/Judeans imperfectly understood the relationship between Creator and created, and therefore believed that they could enter into a contract with God, as equals; so God gave them what they wanted. If the Jews want to claim this contract as theirs, then let them suffer the consequences. Or have I missed something?
This is what follows the above quoted passage, and I think it’s worth quoting in full, and to keep in mind the next time you here some arrogant Jew or Zionist yapping about what “The Chosen People” have been “promised”:
Deuteronomy 28:15-68 [NKJV]
“But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the LORD your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:
“Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the country.
“Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl.
“Cursed shall be the fruit of your body and the produce of your land, the increase of your cattle and the offspring of your flocks.
“Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out.
“The LORD will send on you cursing, confusion, and rebuke in all that you set your hand to do, until you are destroyed and until you perish quickly, because of the wickedness of your doings in which you have forsaken Me.
“The LORD will make the plague cling to you until He has consumed you from the land which you are going to possess.
“The LORD will strike you with consumption, with fever, with inflammation, with severe burning fever, with the sword, with scorching, and with mildew; they shall pursue you until you perish.
“And your heavens which are over your head shall be bronze, and the earth which is under you shall be iron. The LORD will change the rain of your land to powder and dust; from the heaven it shall come down on you until you are destroyed.
“The LORD will cause you to be defeated before your enemies; you shall go out one way against them and flee seven ways before them; and you shall become troublesome to all the kingdoms of the earth. Your carcasses shall be food for all the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth, and no one shall frighten them away.
“The LORD will strike you with the boils of Egypt, with tumors, with the scab, and with the itch, from which you cannot be healed.
“The LORD will strike you with madness and blindness and confusion of heart. And you shall grope at noonday, as a blind man gropes in darkness; you shall not prosper in your ways; you shall be only oppressed and plundered continually, and no one shall save you.
“You shall betroth a wife, but another man shall lie with her; you shall build a house, but you shall not dwell in it; you shall plant a vineyard, but shall not gather its grapes.
“Your ox shall be slaughtered before your eyes, but you shall not eat of it; your donkey shall be violently taken away from before you, and shall not be restored to you; your sheep shall be given to your enemies, and you shall have no one to rescue them.
“Your sons and your daughters shall be given to another people, and your eyes shall look and fail with longing for them all day long; and there shall be no strength in your hand. A nation whom you have not known shall eat the fruit of your land and the produce of your labor, and you shall be only oppressed and crushed continually.
“So you shall be driven mad because of the sight which your eyes see. The LORD will strike you in the knees and on the legs with severe boils which cannot be healed, and from the sole of your foot to the top of your head.
“The LORD will bring you and the king whom you set over you to a nation which neither you nor your fathers have known, and there you shall serve other gods—wood and stone. And you shall become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword among all nations where the LORD will drive you.
“You shall carry much seed out to the field but gather little in, for the locust shall consume it.
“You shall plant vineyards and tend them, but you shall neither drink of the wine nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them. You shall have olive trees throughout all your territory, but you shall not anoint yourself with the oil; for your olives shall drop off.
“You shall beget sons and daughters, but they shall not be yours; for they shall go into captivity. Locusts shall consume all your trees and the produce of your land.
“The alien who is among you shall rise higher and higher above you, and you shall come down lower and lower. He shall lend to you, but you shall not lend to him; he shall be the head, and you shall be the tail.
“Moreover all these curses shall come upon you and pursue and overtake you, until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which He commanded you. And they shall be upon you for a sign and a wonder, and on your descendants forever.
“Because you did not serve the LORD your God with joy and gladness of heart, for the abundance of everything, therefore you shall serve your enemies, whom the LORD will send against you, in hunger, in thirst, in nakedness, and in need of everything; and He will put a yoke of iron on your neck until He has destroyed you.
“The LORD will bring a nation against you from afar, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flies, a nation whose language you will not understand, a nation of fierce countenance, which does not respect the elderly nor show favor to the young.
“And they shall eat the increase of your livestock and the produce of your land, until you are destroyed; they shall not leave you grain or new wine or oil, or the increase of your cattle or the offspring of your flocks, until they have destroyed you.
“They shall besiege you at all your gates until your high and fortified walls, in which you trust, come down throughout all your land; and they shall besiege you at all your gates throughout all your land which the LORD your God has given you.
“You shall eat the fruit of your own body, the flesh of your sons and your daughters whom the LORD your God has given you, in the siege and desperate straits in which your enemy shall distress you.
“The sensitive and very refined man among you will be hostile toward his brother, toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the rest of his children whom he leaves behind, so that he will not give any of them the flesh of his children whom he will eat, because he has nothing left in the siege and desperate straits in which your enemy shall distress you at all your gates.
“The tender and delicate woman among you, who would not venture to set the sole of her foot on the ground because of her delicateness and sensitivity, will refuse to the husband of her bosom, and to her son and her daughter, her placenta which comes out from between her feet and her children whom she bears; for she will eat them secretly for lack of everything in the siege and desperate straits in which your enemy shall distress you at all your gates.
“If you do not carefully observe all the words of this law that are written in this book, that you may fear this glorious and awesome name, THE LORD YOUR GOD, then the LORD will bring upon you and your descendants extraordinary plagues—great and prolonged plagues—and serious and prolonged sicknesses.
“Moreover He will bring back on you all the diseases of Egypt, of which you were afraid, and they shall cling to you. Also every sickness and every plague, which is not written in this Book of the Law, will the LORD bring upon you until you are destroyed.
“You shall be left few in number, whereas you were as the stars of heaven in multitude, because you would not obey the voice of the LORD your God. And it shall be, that just as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good and multiply you, so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you and bring you to nothing; and you shall be plucked from off the land which you go to possess.
“Then the LORD will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other, and there you shall serve other gods, which neither you nor your fathers have known—wood and stone.
“And among those nations you shall find no rest, nor shall the sole of your foot have a resting place; but there the LORD will give you a trembling heart, failing eyes, and anguish of soul.
“Your life shall hang in doubt before you; you shall fear day and night, and have no assurance of life. In the morning you shall say, ‘Oh, that it were evening!’ And at evening you shall say, ‘Oh, that it were morning!’ because of the fear which terrifies your heart, and because of the sight which your eyes see.
“And the LORD will take you back to Egypt in ships, by the way of which I said to you, ‘You shall never see it again.’ And there you shall be offered for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.”
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Wow. That’s not a contract I’d enter into lightly.
But come on, Jews, collect your “reward,” if you still want it.
Reap the whirlwind.
As Jesus Christ said: “Blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” (Luke 11:28)
Everyone else had better start praying.
Dear Halina,
As you can see, news from Central Europe is suppressed by all media in the West. Only the NET has access. If you could help fill in our knowledge with some refs to Polish news media or Central European news media with English language facilities I would certainly read it.
It seems to me that both Jane Burgermeister and Dr Henry Makow http://www.henrymakow.com have picked up the Katyn II story. Right now, what Henry Makow has is hunches, as Brother Nathanael has pointed out. But Henry’s hunches will be more productive than most because they can be tested at the really important points of The Big Picture as facts of matter come to light. That is what is needed now – facts of matter that can be pieced into a narrative.
You mention the Russian imperial. Do you mean perestoika – the one Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals? This is NWO agenda. Gorbachev was a globalist as are the Western ZOGs. The Allies (who are Communist – by definition globalists) gave Central Europe to the Soviet at Yalta – that was one of the covert goals of WW II. You would know this. But this covert goal of WW II was a very long time coming to light in the West.
In terms of that covert policy – that is why Poland was the key. The Western Communist leaders built up Adolf Hitler to provoke war with the Soviet. They couldn’t get Central Europe into one bloc by all the revolutions they fomented in the 1930s (these would have been financed by Wall Street and European Jew Banks and fought by Internationale Brigades of Jewish mercenaries). So they had to have an invasion.
That is essential background to the Katyn story. The Soviets executed them and the Western ZOGs / Communists: Churchill, FDR covered it up and tried to pin it on the Nazis.
The Communists wanted to unify Europe by means of the Soviet. They still want to unify Europe – because a unified Europe is one of the NWO trilaterals. They also want a North American Union NAU.
There is important history that we in the West have to go back over in order to get this. Is it true that Russia invaded Poland during August 2008? As reported in the West, the war in Ossetia was the Russian peacekeepers in Ossetia with UN mandate to defend Ossetia and its Russian population from the Georgian attempts to reclaim the province.
What did the Central European press report on this matter? Did they report a Russian military response beyond the Georgian borders? Why did Kaczynski go to Georgia “as a human shield”?
Very few people here would believe the mainstream media anyway – it is all owned by the Jews.
Thank you for all your comments and any refs from the Central European media that you can supply
God Bless.
Continuing, dear MichaelK,
A few days after the Smolensk crash, I glanced through (but didn’t keep) reports from aviation safety and buff sites reporting maybe 10-20 aviation crashes world wide, several of them fatal.
On April 13, 2010 an Airbus 300 cargo plane crashed and exploded in Monterey, Mexico 1.5 km from the end of the runway after attempting to abort his landing on final approach on a day with decent flying weather.
The collision ended with 5 fatalities – the air crew and a vehicle driver on a city roadway. Now, understand that I am not defaming any of the dead at either Smolensk or Monterey, Mexico. It’s lampooning the silly season that is running amok among some conspiracy theorists who have absolutely no concept of what a disaster looks like in real life and the huge amount of work it entails.
Since we are generally cued to not think much when we hear of “just 5 fatalities,” the tendency then is to ignore it as no big deal on the order we earthlings can relate to, something like an unusual vehicle collision.
Popular TV and movie X-treme Crash programs don’t help perceptions at all because size, volume and scale are very distorted compared to reality. It’s like looking through the wrong end of the telescope at an elephant and then believing it can be picked up with tweezers.
However, the aircraft in this photo of the Monterey crash is about the same size as a wide-body 727 weighing well over 200 tons when fully loaded.
And, in terms of aeronautics, weight is weight, whether it is passenger cargo or freight cargo.
Here is one photo of the Monterey crash that has been published in a preliminary advisement. The final report would contain hundreds more as well as a thick investigation file. http://www.planecrashinfo.com/
This particular photograph only shows part of the wing in the roadway.
Therefore, per usual popular internet conspiracy investigation methods of using factoids, little reality based common sense, and no methodical procedures at all to bolster a persistent pet theory no matter what, we will “prove” this is actually a black op.
We can conclude that this is a completely staged scene because there is only a part of a wing, and the rest of the plane is missing, it looks too carefully set, there’s no charring of the wing, and there are no bodies flung about, the firemen don’t look very busy, and there are no ambulances on the scene.
Oh, yes, where is the car? It’s not in the picture either. And there must be some secret kabbalistic significance because there are two red fire engines backed up to the crash, and not one, so it must be a secret message about 9-11 and the Twin Towers.
Maybe something Freudian anal retentive as well, because, well, its the rear-end of the fire engines, ya know? Wait, it really is a fake scene because the hoses are still racked on the engines, and firefighters always have to use hoses, and there’s no hydrant in the picture. (No, they don’t. Sometimes they use fire extinguishers, for example. But, fire engines also carry at least 500 gallons of water in pumper tanks.)
Oh, wait, what is that symbol on the wing? Does that have to do with NASA? Must be more “code” about the Apollo moon landings being a hoax because obviously this scene is staged, and because this scene is staged, that proves the moon-landing hoax.
And, there is always room for New Cold War Rusophobia in this kind of illogic – “the bad, bad Russkis did it as a message to the West” and maybe take heat off of Smolensk to make it look “normal.” Did what? Stage a fake crash scene or deliberately crash a real Airbus freight plane in Mexico under similar circumstances (landing approach) killing some very ordinary people to make it not look like a black op.
Hit tip to Akira. He has another no-video of Vladimir Vladimrovich crossing the Pacific in his invisible Death Star with a bag of stupid pills to set this Aerobus-300 crash up in Monterey. It’s related because its all unrelated…therefore it is a black ops.
Seriously, Smolensk incident was a terrible tragedy, and doubtless many political forces have been set in motion because of it, but that in no way proves it was a black ops simply because the catastrophe occured and thus handed unexpected opportunities over to the various levels the toads that be on a brass platter.
More facts that fit an emerging narrative on Katyn II that it was the Law and Justice Party members holding appointments in the Tusk government who were obstructing the Civic Platform government from getting on with its NWO agenda.
“Was the Polish President Killed Over Landmark Gas Deal?” by Jane Burgermeister
http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/was-the-polish-president-killed-over-landmark-gas-deal/
Early in 2010, the Polish gas monopoly PGNiG signed an agreement with the Russian Gazprom to increase gas supplies to Poland from 8-11 billion cubic meters a year and extending gas deliveries until 2045. This would make Poland entirely dependent upon Russian shale gas.
Not only did the Law and Justice opposition party led by president Kaczynski want to develop Poland’s own shale gas reserves and sell to Europe in competition with Gazprom, the Law and Justice Party had succeeded in getting the deal temporarily iced by threatening legal action over the contract.
And the holes in the official story of the TU-154M crash are becoming more obvious.
The official story states that flight TU-154M crashed at 8:56am CET or 10:56 Moscow time. But a journalist for Polstat News reported it 10 minutes earlier.
Now where have we seen a discrepancy like that before?
“Polish Opposition Party (Law and Justice Party) Demands International INvestigation Into Plane Crash” by Jane Burgermeister, April 25, 2010. http://birdflu666.wordpress.com.
I would have liked to have seen one body, just one, from the crash scene.
If we look at the politics of the people “on” the plane and those not – on the plane can we see a pattern?
If it turns up that the people on the plane were non-supportive of the NOW agenda, and those not on the plane were supporters of the NOW agenda would we not be entitled to some skepticism?
In the absence of another explanation for this coincidence, if it is the case and I’m not saying there wouldn’t be one, credit must be given to the possibility that the accident was staged, and that the supposed passenger list was just a list of people they wanted to get rid of and did by other means using the plane crash to explain their disappearance.
We can go even further down the rabbit hole and list in order of importance the foes in Poland of the NOW agenda for Europe and see whether or not they made it on to the passenger list.
Journalists are an important tool of the NOW agenda and they were unusually absent from the plane of the President although there would have been room enough for them on a plane that size.
If it was just a simple plane crash I don’t think all the MANY anomalies (I regret not compiling an ongoing list) would have arisen, and any which did arise would have been easily explainable and explained. So far no explanations have emerged to discredit even one of the many questions this plane crash poses.
As a consequence in a court of law the NOW would have already been found guilty.
Sex Slavery is Big Business in Europe
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/sex_slavery_big_business_in_europe.htm
Dear KathJuliane,
I appreciate the possibility that as Freud once supposedly said, “a cigar is sometimes just a cigar.” This is the standard against which all ‘black ops’ theories are to be measured.
Respecting this as the benchmark of reality, I beg that you humor me while I expound upon an insight I had earlier today.
Preferring, as I admittedly do, to view this air crash as not-an-accident, I will attempt to furnish a theory more plausible than ‘shot down by x-rays from a UFO’:
Validating the reports from various sources that there were ample motives to fit this possible crime, let us suppose that this was an ‘inside job’ carried out not by Russians, but by traitors within the Polish government who wanted the Law and Justice Party done away with.
Supposing that this was the motive, and that the Katyn air trip was the opportunity, let me attempt to solve the theoretical equation by supplying the means, the simplest means possible to fit the crime.
So here it is: Hours or less before the flight took off, the hydraulic lines controlling the elevator flaps in the tail of the aircraft were rigged with radio-controlled explosives, which would be very small because breaching a hydraulic line only requires a hack-saw.
The traitor from Poland arrived with the Polish ambassador and state security aboard the Yak-40. He was carrying a device, possibly a cell-phone look alike, which he used to detonate the explosives package as the aircraft made its final landing approach.
The pilot experienced sudden loss of control and was unable to get the nose up, but didn’t know what was happening. It was all over in a brief moment, looked like an ordinary accident and the evidence of a small explosion was covered up at once as the plane crashed and burned.
There you have it, a complete theory of foul play which does not invoke the fantastic and which follows instead the keep-it-simple-stupid dictum to the letter. Do you find this plausible as a hypothetical crime scenario?
The Peace of Christ be with You, my respected elder and beloved Christian pen-pal.
Lynda said,
“I was really motivated to dig in and start thinking about the event I am calling Katyn II.”
Yeah – because you coined the term ‘Katyn II’, right?
Dear Br. Nathanael,
I stumbled across your site. You sign:
Brother Nathanael Kapner
Russian Orthodox monastic
Are you a priest, deacon, monk (if so what is your monastery?), married or layman.
Thank you,
Rosa
Thank you Akira
For the record, Donald Tusk is the PM of Poland and leads the Civic Platform Party (the PO).
My mistaken use of Donald Trump is not ignorance, I had the name and refs plainly before me as I was typing. I just could not read what was on the paper because of an inkling. I truly did not see ‘Tusk’ as I was I thinking about the Big Picture and typing the details.
Subconsciously, I did conflate the cando NWO player Donald Trump with Donald Tusk PM and his Gazprom, NWO deals.
You insinuation that I am Hasbara is nasty. Why are you no longer entaining Marshall, Cannibal Rabbi and the others over at Incogland? I thought Phillip let you out of Spamblinka where you had been sent to chill after your many nasties.
Michael K –
Not a bad theory at all. How will you explain, however, the shooting on site of the crash? As a theory of animal hunting?
To Akira, any human loss due to the manipulation of others is an unfair loss, as is the tragic loss for the CHILDREN left behind!!!
Thank you Linda once again for your extraordinary knowledge about the whole situation and your interest in my country.
As to making a mistake in regards to the premier’s surname it is certainly forgiven and not far off anyway; Tusk instead of Trump, who visited Putin only three days before the crash.
Just too coincidental. Putin hated Kaczynski.
Latest news from; http://www.niezalezna.pl
http://www.niezalezna.pl/article/show/id/33461
PRESIDENT OF LITHUANIA: KACZYŃSKI did not command pilots
by, for kavkazcenter.com, 25-04-2010 18:01
“Former Lithuanian President Valdas Adamkus has denied that Polish President Lech Kaczynski told two years ago his pilot to land in adverse weather conditions.
“Adamkus said that in August 2008 while flying to Georgia the pilot stated that due to the bad weather there will be no landing in Tbilisi.
“The Polish president simply asked whether the capital of Georgia could be to reach in some other means of communication. After receiving information that the transport from Azerbaijan to Tbilisi has already been organized, Lech Kaczynski did not ask any further questions nor did he command the pilot – said Adamkus.
“The Lithuanian columnist Ramunas Bogdanasu wrote that Adamkus personally reported on the course of events in the aircraft to the Polish president.”
The above is an independent paper.
Most other ones are own by Polish Zionist Jews and they mislead the public.
Dear Rosa –
I was in an Old Calendar Greek Orthodox monastery for 8 years.
I then joined ROCOR (Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia) and I am now living an eremitic (hermit) life as a monastic. I am recognized and communed as such by my Church jurisdiction. +BN
There will be more information posted on the Jane Burgermeister website this week as she will be in Poland for the state memorial service on the week-end April 24-25. http://birdflu666.wordpress.com.
Even so she is updating her website several times a day with the emerging anomalies on the Katyn II event – April 10, 2010.
“Terrain Warning Device Was Switched Off on Polish Crash Plane Reports Interfax” (the Russian newsagency) filed by Jane Burgermeister on
http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/terrain-warning-device-was-switched-off-on-polish-crash-reports-interfax/
Some important factoids from this report
USA Today reports that the TWAS (Terrain Warning and Awareness System) has been mandatory since 2005 in order to reduce the incidence of plane crashes due to hitting obstacles.
The crashed Polish government Tupelov was the same plane that flew the PM Donald TUSK to the Katyn memorial events on April 7, 2010. That plane was on the ground for 6 hours at the Smolensk military airport on April 7, 2010.
Jane Burgermeister states there are photos of the Smolensk airport taken 40 mins before the crash that show the airport bathed in sunshine. I have not been able to trace these photos. Are they published in the Polish media? Where can we look at them?
She states there are also photos of Russian military personnel changing the runway lights 1 hour after the crash. Are these photos published in the Polish media?
What is most of interest in this latest report is that the Polish Defence Minister in the Tusk government has put out the PR / Dysinfo that “Clarification of the reasons for this tragedy is the most important task for the Polish and Russian governmemts”. Well who would have thought?
Polish aviation experts independent of the Tusk government investigating at the scene state they are not being supported by EITHER the Polish or Russian investigators and that the Polish prosecutors acting for the Tusk government watch their every move.
Interesting.
The former Defence Minister in the Tusk government, Aleksander Szcyglo, was killed in the crash to my knowledge. Was he a member of Kaczynski’s Law and Justice Party and an ‘old guard’ appointment by the new Civic Platform government under Tusk? My money says he was.
At any rate the new Polish Defense Minister will be Civic Platform. And according to the Polish Aviation Security Chief, the new Polish Defense Minister is refusing to provide translators to the independent Polish aviation experts on the ground at Smolensk. AND the Tusk government is refusing to pay the expenses of the investigation of the Polish aviation experts.
This Civic Platform government under Tusk looks to me like a ZOG that has just consolidated its power. It looks to me like Mossad has done another job using operatives inside the Polish ZOG: the Civic Platform government of Donald Tusk PM and they have just done a good old fashioned purge of the reactionary elements.
The lack of support being offered to the independent Polish avionics investigation by both Polish and Russian investigators does raise the question of Russian operatives and the status of the Russian government.
First reports put the number of people on the plane at 130. Revised down to 100 approx.
About 1.5km from the airport, air traffic controllers noticed the Tupolev – overhauled in December 2009, according to manufacturer’s Aviakor – was below its appropriate glide path, Alyoshin said.
“The head of the (air traffic control) group ordered the crew to return to horizontal flight, and when the crew did not fulfil the instruction ordered them several times to land at another airport,” he said.
“Nonetheless the crew continued to descend. Unfortunately this ended tragically.”
(Other reports state at this point communications was lost.)
If they have nothing to cover up why are the full content of the communications being kept secret.
As someone else pointed out as well, 30 journos usually accompany the President on his plane for foreign travel.
Why did they fail to make the plane in an obvious change of standard procedure, so obvious in fact that it was at first assumed they were on there?
No explanation has been given for the 1 hour delay in leaving Warsaw.
It was the Foreign Minister that corrected the mistake in the number on board.
The EU delegate also refused to fly.
International intrigue?
A con job is in the works.
Will the Polish nation fall for it – or have they reached saturation point?
KATYN 2. Russian human right activists apply to the West to investigate KGB murder of Polish President
Publication time: 25 April 2010, 01:32
Ignace Reiss, Leon Trotsky, Stepan Bandera, Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev, Alexander Litvinenko (these are political refugees from Russia, killed by KGB terrorists in the West – KC)….
They are very different political figures, with different biographies. But they have something in common in their death – all these people were strong enemies of the KGB and the Kremlin.
They were killed by the KGB, although they lived outside Russia. Killed with ice axes and polonium, hydrocyanic acid and explosives …
Now many people in the world see serious reasons to add to this list the names of the dead Polish President Lech Kaczynski and all those, who flew with him on the same plane.
They were on a territory, where the KGB feels to be the boss, not a guest. The main arguments that the opponents of the KGB version in the death of the Polish President offer are limited to the fact that it were “too monstrous” and “too dangerous for Kremlin masters if they were exposed”.
However, in 1999, in a series of bombings of apartment buildings in Moscow and Volgodonsk, and the mining of a residential building in Ryazan, the KGB did not think their crimes to be “too monstrous”! And they were not afraid of any exposures at that time.
In bombing of the car with the former President of the CRI Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev in a foreign country, Qatar, they also did not fear any exposure at all. And in reality, they paid for it almost nothing, after being caught red-handed in this crime…
Everything is permitted for Russian servants of cloak and dagger when it comes to keep their power or to destroy their opponents.
The “reset” in relations with the KGB-run Kremlin turned into a reset of Katyn for Poland. And, unfortunately, it is logical, we are to admit.
Therefore, we urge international community to investigate thoroughly the circumstances of the Smolensk disaster and in no case reject the version that the organizers of Katyn 2 are colleagues and successors to those who carried out Katyn 1.
The Smolensk “fog” that hid the circumstances of the disaster is much denser and thicker than the famous fog in London …
Nadezhda Nizovkina, journalist (Ulan-Ude)
Tatyana Stetsura, lawyer (Ulan-Ude)
Alexander Maysuryan, journalist (Moscow)
Mikhail Gerasimov (St. Petersburg)
Andrey Derevyankin, former political prisoner
Pavel Lyuzakov, aformer political prisoner, editor-in-chief, newspaper
“Free Speech” (Moscow)
Lyubov Raskina, member of the Democratic Union and the People’s Labor Union (Israel)
Dmitry Vorobyevsky, editor-in-chief, newspaper “Kramola” (Voronezh).
THE APPEAL IS OPEN FOR FURTHER SIGNATURES by the address: http://lyzakov-pavel.livejournal.com/
KATYN 2. Ex-GRU officer demands international investigation into Kaczynski’s murder by Putin
Publication time: 24 April 2010, 13:48
The Polish paper Nasz Dziennik interviewed a well-known historian and political analyst Viktor Suvorov, a ex-officer of the GRU (Russian military intelligence), who now lives in London as a refugee.
The interview was conducted shortly after the destruction of the Polish President’s plane by Russian terrorists under the order by Putin and Medvedev. Therefore, Viktor Suvorov did not know many facts testifying that it was a terrorist attack by the Russians.
Mr Suvorov said:
“Putin is capable of a political murder. Putin’s regime is a criminal regime. Although I do not know details about the tragedy near Smolensk, but after Putin came to power, there has been a lot of political terrorism.
I am speaking, inter alia, about the murder of my friend Alexander Litvinenko in London. It was the first ever act of terrorism using radioactive materials.
Under Putin’s rule, the journalist Anna Politkovskaya has been killed, and there were other murders as well. Thus we see that it is not a problem for Putin to kill Kaczynski.
When Putin rose to power in 1999, he strengthened his power, and terrorism in Russia increased. Russian services organize terrorist acts. The number of political crimes in Russia has no precedents.
A lot of strange things happened around the Smolensk tragedy. I have heard from a Polish journalist who was at the crash site, that the first thing the FSB did was to grasp the black boxes. Immediately I said that they were trying to hide something. Or it shows their complete stupidity.
Just imagine it. We do not trust each other. And there is some evidence, which I can not touch (black boxes – KC).
I should say to the Polish government: “Look, I do not trust you and you do not trust me. In such a case let’s invite independent international judges. Let’s ask for them immediately”. Together – we, you, and independent experts – will open these black boxes, only to see what they contain. But if we, the Russians, seize the boxes even for a few hours, this is the violation of every rules.
In the film, we hear four shots and a very strange command. At first, media reported that three, and perhaps even five people survived. I also saw a man with raised hands near the wreckage. Indeed, it is all very strange”.
Lynda: “Is it true that Russia invaded Poland during August 2008?”
No. It is not true.
But the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth did invade Russia in 1905.
Perhaps that’s what you were thinking of.
Lynda: “My mistaken use of Donald Trump is not ignorance, I had the name and refs plainly before me as I was typing. I just could not read what was on the paper because of an inkling.”
Are you sure it was an Inkling? It might have been a Gremlin.
Lynda: “Why are you no longer entaining…over at Incogland? I thought Phillip let you out of Spamblinka where you had been sent to chill after your many nasties.”
I’m not sure why, but yes I do try to set people right there.
That’s why I was sent to “Spamblinka” (and keep getting threatened to be re-deported there) — because I keep pointing out what idiots / lunatics / liars these anti-Christian types (“neo-pagans”, “Christian”-Israel Identity, British “Israel,” etc etc) are.
And how corrupt “The West” is, and how the American Revolution, the “Enlightenment” and all that are historic and moral dead ends, and how filthy Slavemasonry is. I guess these criticisms of mine are what you refer to as “nasties”.
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Halima: “Trump…visited Putin only three days before the crash. Just too coincidental.”
Yes, yes. Three days, you say. No way could that be a coincidence! Clearly “PM” Trump and PM Putin were up to no good! I can’t find any references to Trump’s trijournal state visit, so of course I’ll take your word for that. Anyway, clearly Putin trumped everybody!
Halina is now citing kavkazcenter as an “authority”?
Here’s an item from kavkazcenter:
“KATYN 2. Man who shot Polish plane crash gunshots footage stabbed to death
“Publication time: 22 April 2010, 13:52
“As reported by numerous Polish and Ukrainian Web forums, the man who filmed a video that appeared to depict gunshots being fired in the immediate aftermath of the Polish plane crash has apparently been stabbed to death in what many are claiming was a deliberate assassination to silence the individual from making public whatever it was he saw.
“Author of the video seen by everyone by now: Andrei Menderey has been stabbed near the Ukrainian capital of Kiev last Thursday, April 15, 2010, and transported in critical condition to the hospital in Kiev. On April 16, 2010, two unidentified individuals unplugged him from life support system and stabbed him 3 more times. Andrei was pronounced dead that afternoon.
“The video, as well as the apparent fate of the man who shot the footage, have not been reported on by any mainstream news outlet, and the story cannot be completely verified, although the footage in the clip is very similar to images and video seen after the crash.”
http://www.kavkazcenter.net/eng/content/2010/04/22/11899.shtml
Great. A fictitous character is stabbed then stabbed again in the hospital. According to most other reports, he was stabbed by the “KGB,” who, besides no longer existing, must be very incompetent these days if they can’t stab a guy to death the first time and have to go the hospital to finish the nefarious deed!
On the other hand, I can understand how difficult it must be to murder somebody who never existed…
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Michael K.: “let me attempt to solve the theoretical equation … Hours or less before the flight took off, the hydraulic lines controlling the elevator flaps in the tail of the aircraft were rigged with radio-controlled explosives…breaching a hydraulic line only requires a hack-saw.
“The traitor from Poland arrived with the Polish ambassador and state security…carrying a device, possibly a cell-phone look alike, which he used to detonate the explosives package…. There you have it, a complete theory of foul play which does not invoke the fantastic…”
That must be what happened. There’s nothing fantastic about it. Combine that with Putin dropping stupid pills in everyone’s coffee, and there’s the only rational solution to the equation.
I believe they used the same technique in the Hindenberg Job.
Dear Lynda,
First,the correct link to Jane’s article is as follows:
http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/terrain-warning-device-was-switched-off-on-polish-crash-plane-reports-interfax/
(Apparently is the same you linked but it does not open…)
I respectfully suggest to perform a downsize URL conversion using TINYURL:
http://tinyurl.com
It is free and avoids repetitive errors in copying URLs.
For example this webpage of Burgermeister converts to :
http://tinyurl.com/334c2bt
(from 122 to 26 characters!)
Did you check the first of Jane Burgermeister assertions, that INTERFAX claims TAWS were OFF?
It frontally contradicts my earlier post as per:
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=496#comment-75121
in it Interfax states exactly the opposite:
“TAWS WERE ON.”
http://www.interfax.com/news.asp?y=2010&m=4&d=23&pg=2
Somebody is doing something wrong here…
Anyway, I found Jane’s article utterly “fantastic.”
Re: “Ignace Reiss, Leon Trotsky, Stepan Bandera, Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev, Alexander Litvinenko (these are political refugees from Russia, killed by KGB terrorists in the West)”
With all the children starving in the world, I’m supposed to care about this?
Four of those five weren’t missed by any decent people.
Yandarbiyev and Litvinenko couldn’t possibly have been killed by the KGB (unless you mean the Belorussian KGB?), since there is no Russian KGB any more.
Three Russians were tortured in Qatar and then found guilty of killing Yandarbiyev. They were sentenced to life, then sent back to Russia.
I say it was Mossad and his CIA “friends.” Prove me wrong.
Litvinenko was a puppet of Soros and Berezhevsky. Lie down with dogs, you get fleas. I’m sure his “friends” had him killed.
Reiss? Jew terrorist killed by terrorist Jew Yezhov.
Bronstein? Such a pity.
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Re: Typo:
No, Russia didn’t invade Poland in 2008. But also, the Commonwealth of Poland-Lithuania didn’t invade Russia in 1905. That would have been 1605. Mea culpa. Perhaps Putin’s great-great….great-grandfather was behind that…?
Also, I typed 1605, but I believe “the KGB” changed my message while it was still flying through cyberspace.
Greetings in the Lord Jesus, Halina,
Welcome to RZN family, and please do help us understand the situation over there.
Thank you for posting the independent journalist’s report refuting the so-called Georgia incident from former President Adamkus. He seems to be a voice of sanity speaking from a certain disinterested perspective not being directly involved with the turmoil in Poland.
This is very high-quality, credible information because the reporter personally knows and spoke with the witness to the entire event. It gives a much different perspective, and its good that he spoke out.
Moreover, that you trust this independent news source helps us cut through the flying manure of rumors, gossip and exaggeration and the spin of the Jew-owned press.
Dear MichaelK,
Quite plausible crime hypothesis, and let’s reserve it, but we have a larger operational picture to peruse in order to plug it in somewhere to see how it might fit.
There are four investigative elements for something to be a homicidal crime to consider – motive, intent, means and opportunity in terms of suspect. It has to be all together, not A or B or C or D, or a combination of any two or three. All four elements must be fulfilled. We can find plenty of political motives under every slimey rock.
But the big question involves both motive and intent, and that is a more subjective area and the responsibility of the jury to establish of “beyond a reasonable doubt” in terms of forensic evidence and logical proofs someone’s guilt (and there is still the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. We are still Americans).
The aura of espionage colors and fuzzes things, but I think this is still a useful set of logical tools.
So, that is where we are at looking from a cyber-distance. Are matters beyond a reasonable doubt that this was anything other than a horrid accident? Not in my mind, not yet. Very far from it.
The two Tupelov’s, No. 101 was for the President, and No. 102 is for the Prime Minister. Comparable to our Air Force1 and all the national, government and diplomatic security measures this implies that we earthlings never think about.
It almost goes without saying that the 36th Reg is highly trained as special aviation military security with the technical know how and means to equip their air fleet with anti-terrorist anti-espionage devices and shielding. They have special procedures for aircraft inspections for every take off that goes well beyond the average pre-flight preparation of routine piloting.
Think about what AF1 is functionally supposed to do (other than do a stupid low-level fly-by frat stunt a year or so ago, giving half of Manhattanites angina and sleepless nights for a couple of weeks?)
Both TU-154’s belong to the fleet of the 36th Special Aviation Regiment of the Polish AF. All of the Regiment’s aircraft are for national public use, the most important being the transport of Poland’s politicians. It is headquartered at the 1st Airbase in Okecie-Warsaw International Airport, which is listed as a military and civilian airport.
The 1st Airbase as a secure military base is segregated from the civilian traffic areas, essentially just sharing runways and Tower Control operations for take offs and landings, under tight security at all times, have special procedures, operations, their own mechanics and aviation techs. Even the stewardesses as part of the air crew should be Polish Air Force personnel.
All passenger check-in, loading, baggage handling, ground crew etc. would be handled through the 36th Regiment as the military operator of No. 101 and No. 102. Dignitary passengers would embark from the military airbase portion of Okecie Airport and not from common civilian passenger terminal areas. Because it is the VIP detail, the 36th Regiment should have its own VIP passenger lounge.
Something like how a private charter would run, the dignitaries would not be going through regular passenger booking, check-in and boarding as we earthlings are familiar with in ordinary civilian, commercial flights. Dignitary names would not show up on regular passenger lists, but on a separate manifest handled in coordination with the Polish Dept. of State via the 36th Regiment and whoever else must be notified.
This event was long in the planning (first thought of in 1995, with many setbacks) and involved both countries’ Foreign Ministries.
All of the passengers were the invited guests of President Kaczynski. The party not only included the politicos and his partisans, but there were clergy, including a Catholic military chaplin-priest and an Orthodox military chaplain-priest, and, most importantly, the party of Polish Katyn historians and relatives with a personal stake in the memorial.
Putting personalities, politics, and characters aside, as a point of diplomatic protocol especially considering European manners, in important ceremonial and symbolic events like this, peer goes with peer, rank goes with rank.
So the PM of Poland is matched with the PM of Russia, and they had the separate event on the Wednesday before (also for security reasons, not a good plan at all to have all of them together). But, the true symbolic figureheads of State of the two countries are their Presidents, and the more important event was the ceremony on Saturday in non-verbal diplomatese.
Some of these historian activist were descendents of the victims, including one naturalized Polish-American artist historian and Katyn activist from Chicago, the only American on board. Which caught a hmmm from me, btw, especially if “Chicago” is used in the same sentence.
The president’s press pool would normally travel on No. 101, but because of the special party of Katyn memorial activists and other guests, and the clergy (who were the real heart, soul and moving force behind all of this and the real VIPs for the day), the pack of journalists were assigned to another flight by the 36th Reg.
Sorry fellas, not this day. Ya have to give up the ultra-cushy prestigious ride with the President and all the goodies on No. 101. You’re flying the more modest smaller VIP airliner with the diplomats and other officials (and maybe the press get the Master Sargeant for a steward, instead. lol).
So, during the pre-planning stages for the event, the second 36th Regiment flight of one of their Yak-40’s (they have four) for the journalists and others was set weeks ago. The Yak-40 with this part of the formal Polish delegation and journos would arrive at Smolensk-North first. They arrived on time, so far as I know. Both the Polish and Russian delegation would then meet the Presidential party when it arrived.
It was the Polish Foreign Minister that finally announced the official number of passengers on board. This is as it should be, because it was all handled through the Polish Foreign Ministry of the State Department to begin with, at the express invitation of the President.
Possible reasons for the initial discrepancy in the numbers and names and why the delay? There were 100+ officially named and scheduled on the passenger list, but attendance wasn’t obligatory. And there were others who had expressed interest to the President in attending, and were put on a reserve list in case a seat opened up.
Some people just didn’t show up. Some people may have suddenly fallen out of favor, with the arbitrary political and partisan breezes, the EU guest may have been in a political snit, and decided to do a EU-style snub. Someone may have at the last minute called someone else and said “Why don’t you take my seat? I know you wanted to go.”
Part of the delay may have been waiting to see if the missing scheduled passengers would show up, who may have rudely and inconsiderately not have advised the State Department or the President or the 36th Regiment terminal office of their change of plans. They could have been waiting for the alternates to dash in after a last minute call holding the airplane for them.
Heck of a way to run a regular airline, but this is not a regular, commercial flight with paying passengers. On the ground at home base before the airplane starts its engines and begins to taxi, everyone waits on the VIP at his pleasure.
However, it was still discretionary excursion, and since all that was required is that the presidential guests show up at the separate military Airbase terminal, the final passenger list would have been made at the 36th Reg and then routed through channels to the Foreign Ministry after everyone was boarded. It’s called organized chaos.
The 36th Reg, besides being ultra-perfectionists, well disciplined, and value precision highly, were probably screened for extraordinary patience, which would be a unique combination.
The next problem for this scenario, is the information that No. 101 was scheduled for takeoff at 7am (?) Warsaw time and that was missed, finally departing at 7:38 am (??).
If the 36th doesn’t have their own ATC and runway which is then coordinated with the main airport tower, departure would be handled by the International Airport Ground and Air Traffic Control itself, so ATC must prioritize, reschedule and reintegrate Flight 101 into the airport’s overall on-going ground and flight management operations.
It’s an international airport with heavy routine traffic of planes taking off and coming in, and routine complexities abound. Presuming No. 101 had priority status for take off, it would still take a few minutes to get off the ground. ATC can’t tell aircraft still in the air to simply pull over and park at the curb until No. 101 departed the airport.
So, how are we doing so far? Still room for your hypothesis, and if so, then someone fell down on the job not catching those explosives in Warsaw. Let this Cold War baby remind you, however, that former Soviet Poland also had their own analogous national KGB-style intelligence service and secret police.
@Halina
You do know that the “dissidents” and other groups are financed and supported by NED, Soros, etc.
And Putin tried every effort to prevent the second Chechen war, with the Chechen leadership was obviously planning training terrorists on mass in Chechnya, and its neighbouring Republic Dagestan; organising the massacres for their assault on Dagestan in August and September; then gave sanctuary to Khattab and Basayeav after the event, letting them return to Grozny.
The same moderate leadership that planned the Nord Ost attack, in which Russian special forces during a raid found a video of him praising with Basayeav and the guy who carried out the attack the forth coming terrorist attack.
He was also admitting to being in an assault on an Ingushetian village in which 36 civilians were massacred with Machetes in a series of raids in July 2004 which was the forerunner for the assault in Beslan.
And who was the head of Russia’s national security council at the time, who, as the murdered journalist Paul Kleibnakov revealed, had/has extensive connection to Chechen terrorist groups and organised crime?
Boris Berezovsky, the same Berezovsky that is promoting the FSB inside job theory which is mostly likely he and his contacts in the NSC are the ones that pulled it off.
FSB killed Yandarbiyev – so what?
This is a guy who admitted on camera meeting with Mullah Omar and setting up three Chechen terrorist training camps in Afghanistan. Every terror expert agrees that he financed the massacres of August and September of ’99 and with the support of the Qatari regime. In fact, he was killed shortly after financing a Moscow suicide metro bombing.
Litvenenko was a puppet of Berezovsky and an MI6 agent who poisoned himself smuggling Plutonium. And his claims are less the credible claiming Putin is a pedophile, FSB was behind 9/11, Beslan, created Al-Qaeda, that Romano Prodi then Italian PM was a KGB agent, etc.
Dear KathJuliane,
I appreciate your in depth analysis of the actual facts of the scenario envisioned in order to more closely see where the details reveal more clues. The insight which I had about the possible foul play scenario was a from a mechanics’ worldview. I sought to put together the means component primarily.
To establish both motive and intent will not happen by my thoughts alone because I am not so bright as to know the whole cast of characters involved. However, my logical hunch is that the person who hypothetically planted the very small–no bigger than a lighter probably–explosives package on the hydraulic lines was somebody with a top secret clearance to go near the airplane, perhaps a person with a secret oath to enemies of the Polish-Russian reconciliation effort.
A double-agent working security or maintenance with direct unsupervised access to the aircraft itself would be the natural suspect. And that person either collaborating with another team member who was on the scene of the crash, or actually being the sole individual to do the whole job at both ends of the voyage.
Beyond those few basic hunches my vision gets really dim. Hopefully Russian forensic scientists studying the wreckage will be thorough in reconstructing the tail flap hydraulic system and will notice any explosive residue or signs of damage consistent with tampering.
Maybe somebody was at the scene of the crash to destroy some evidence in the wreckage when security warded him away with a few shots from their sidearms?
That’s my best for now. I’ll leave the rest of the story to the investigators until someone turns overt a new leaf, so to speak.
Peace and Love in the Risen Christ.
Akira
That is right that Russia did not invade Poland in 2008.
Below, however, I have provided a link that may be of some interest to you and others;
http://www.historyofnations.net/europe/poland.html
Hopefully it will open your eyes somewhat and give a little understanding of why the genuine Polish citizens are getting frustrated.
Are you glad to feel free? Thanks God!
Although I envy such people sometimes, yet I am glad for you too.
God bless.
This link, although incomplete is even better. More uniformed.
http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?groupid=987&HistoryID=ab01>rack=pthc
Firstly, if the initial roll call of the dead was erroneously given as 130 this implies that there were at least 130 places on the plane which was carrying around a hundred; so a full plane was not an excuse to go against protocol and offload the journalist tools of the NOW bankers, as implied in cyber fantasyworld.
Secondly the wild claim than some did not turn up for 101 causing delays is not supported by any evidence.The reports were consistent that only one did not turn up, and from his own mouth this EU representative refused at the last moment to board and refused also to give an explanation….
“The election of Kaczynski [the Presidents twin brother] will be a huge setback to the bankers hoping to absorb Poland into the eurozone and complete their political, economic and military take-over of the European Union and USA before triggering a financial meltdown, and launching a third world war ….
If the bankers fail to subdue Poland, then the Globalist project to impose a totalitarian, centralised government on [the] Europe using the EU, IMF, WHO and other supra national organisations could suffer a deadly blow…..”
….yeah, it was just an accident.
Here is a partial list of the doomed passengers for anyone who may have some knowledge of their pro or not NWO leanings:
Ticks and crosses would be in order.
The polish plane list of those who died in the plane crash are as follows, per the list released by Reuters. These are the only names released thus far:
1. Lech Kaczynski, President of the Republic of Poland
2. Maria Kaczynska, the president’s wife
3. Ryszard Kaczorowski, head of Poland’s London-based government-in-exile during the communist period
4. General Tadeusz Buk, Head of Polish Land Forces
5. Leszek Deptula, MP
6. Grzegorz Dolniak, MP
7. Katarzyna Doraczynska, President’s Chancellery
8 Janina Fetlinska, Senator
9. General Franciszek Gagor, Chief of Staff
10. Grazyna Gesicka, MP
11. Przemyslaw Gosiewski, MP
12. Mariusz Handzlik, Minister at the President’s Chancellery
13. Izabela Jaruga-Nowacka, MP
14. Sebastian Karpiniuk, MP
15. Admiral Andrzej Karweta, Head of Polish Navy
16. Mariusz Kazana, Foreign Ministry
17. Janusz Kochanowski, Poland’s Ombudsman
18. Stanislaw Jerzy Komorowski, Deputy Defence Minister
19. Andrzej Kremer, Deputy Foreign Minister
20. Janusz Kurtyka, National Remembrance Institute head
21. Tomasz Merta, Deputy Culture Minister
22. Aleksandra Natalli-Swiat, MP
23. Piotr Nurowski, head of Polish Olympics Committee
24. Krzysztof Putra, Deputy Speaker of parliament
25. Arkadiusz Rybicki, MP
26. Slawomir Skrzypek, head of Poland’s central bank
27. Wladyslaw Stasiak, head of Kaczynski’s Chancellery
28. Aleksander Szczyglo, head of the National Security Bureau
29. Jerzy Szmajdzinski, Deputy Speaker of parliament
30. Jolanta Szymanek-Deresz, MP
31. Izabela Tomaszewska, President’s Chancellery
32. Anna Walentynowicz, former Solidarity activist
33. Zbigniew Wassermann, MP
34. Wieslaw Woda, MP
35. Edward Wojtas, MP
36. Pawel Wypych, Minister and Kaczynski’s Chancellery
37. Stanislaw Zajac, Senator
…….
Yeah, sure no opportunity.
Here is a list of past heads of state killed in office in plane crashes….all accidents?
– Abdul Salam Arif, President of Iraq, died in 1966 when his helicopter crashed in the south of the country. He was leading the country at a time when numerous factions were fighting for its control.
– René Barrientos, President of Bolivia, was killed in 1969 when his helicopter crashed in Arque. Rumours persist that it may have been shot down, however, all investigations concluded it had been an accident and that the rotors of the helicopter became tangled in electricity cables.
He had been seen by many of his people as a brutal dictator who served foreign interests.
– Barthélemy Boganda, first Prime Minister of the Central African Republic autonomous territory, was killed in a mid-air explosion in 1959 just days before he was poised to become the first president of the independent CAR.
His plane blew up over Boukpayanga killing all passengers and crew. No inquiry was conducted but sabotage was widely thought to be the cause, with his wife, rival businessmen and even the French secret service rumoured to be involved.
– Ahmed Ould Bouceif, Prime Minister of Mauritania, was killed in a plane crash off the coast of Dakar, Senegal, in 1979 – just a month after seizing power.
– Dr John Garang de Mabior, Vice President of Sudan, died in 2005 after the Ugandan presidential Mi-172 helicopter he was flying in crashed while on the way back from a secret meeting which he had not told his government about. Six of his colleagues and seven Ugandan crew members were also killed in the accident, which was blamed on poor weather conditions.
However there are doubts about the truth of this, and even the Ugandan President suspected “external factors”.
– Abdul Rahim Ghafoorzai, Prime Minister of anti-Taliban opposition government of Afghanistan, was killed in a 1997 plane crash in the Bamyan Province just 10 days after gaining office.
– Juvenal Habyarimana, President of Rwanda, and Cyprien Ntaryamira, President of Burundi, died together in 1994 along with the Chief of Staff of the Rwandan military, and numerous others when their plane was shot down as it prepared to land in Kigali.
The circumstances of the assassination are still unclear, but both leaders were Hutus and their deaths reignited ethnic tensions and acted as a catalyst for the Rwandan Genocide.
– Jaime Roldós Aguilera, President of Ecuador, died in a plane crash in 1981 along with his wife, defence minister, two military leaders and four other passengers. Officially, pilot error was blamed for steering the plane into a mountain in Celica Canton of Loja Province.
However, others believe he was assassinated because of plans to develop the hydrocarbon sector, which would have threatened US interests or because he was strengthening ties with the Soviet Union.
– Samora Moises Machel, President of Mozambique, died in 1986 when his presidential aircraft crashed in the mountainous border of his country. There were ten survivors but thirty-three others died, including ministers and officials of the Mozambique government.
The accident investigation concluded it was caused by pilot error. However, Mozambican and Soviet governments suspected the plane was led off course by a decoy radio navigation beacon.
– Ramon Magsaysay, third President of the Third Republic of the Philippines, died in a plane accident in 1957. The craft crashed into Mount Manunggal in Cebu killing 25 of the 26 passengers and crew on board. Only newspaperman Nestor Mata survived
– Francisco de Sá Carneiro, Prime Minister of Portugal, died in a Cessna light aircraft crash in 1980, eleven months after assuming office. He was on his way to an election rally in Porto when he crashed into a building in Loures.
Eyewitnesses claimed they saw pieces falling from the plane just moments after it took off. Rumours of sabotage have continued to fuel conspiracy theories that the crash was in fact an assassination, but no firm evidence has come to light.
– Wladyslaw Sikorski, Prime Minister of Poland, was killed, together with his daughter, his Chief of Staff and seven others, when his plane crashed into the sea 16 seconds after take off from Gibraltar Airport in 1943. Only the pilot survived the crash.
The accident had been seen as “convenient” for the Western Allies, who were finding it Sikorski was a stumbling block in preserving good relations with Stalin. In 2008 Sikorski was exhumed to investigate the circumstances of his death. However, in January 2009 the Polish Government concluded that there was no evidence he was murdered.
– Omar Torrijos, President of Panama, died while on a flight during severe weather in 1981 after the craft disappeared from Panama’s radar coverage. His death prompted speculation of an assassination plot.
There have been claims that he was assassinated by American interests who planted a bomb on the craft. Torrijos died just three months after Ecuadorean President Jaime Roldós and in strikingly similar circumstances.
– Boris Trajkovski, President of Macedonia, died aged 47 in 2004 en route to an economic conference in Mostar, Bosnia and Hercegovina. His plane crashed into a mountainside during poor weather and thick fog.
The accident was said to have been exacerbated by mistakes made by air traffic controllers and a badly equipped runway. Eight other people also died.
– General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, President of Pakistan, died in 1988 when his plane lost contact with the control tower then apparently began flying erratically before nosediving and exploding on impact with the ground in the Punjab.
Another 31 passengers died in the plane crash, including Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee General Akhtar Abdur Rehman, close associate of General Zia Brigadier Siddique Salik, the American Ambassador to Pakistan Arnold Raphel and General Herbert M. Wassom, the head of the U.S. Military aid mission to Pakistan.
The crash has given rise to many conspiracy theories. A board of inquiry concluded the most probable cause was “a criminal act of sabotage perpetrated in the aircraft.” It also suggested that poisonous gases were released which incapacitated the passengers and crew, which would explain why no Mayday signal was given.
KATYN 2. National Examiner: ”Video–new report implicates Russian gov’t in Polish plane crash”
Publication time: 26 April 2010, 11:41
The influential American paper of conservative circles of US National Examiner has published in its issue dated April 24 article about the murder of the Polish elite at the Katyn 2 Operation, followed by “mopping up” Poles survived in the crash.
A prominent American journalist Anthony J. Martin, in an article entitled “Video–new report implicates Russian government in Polish plane crash”, writes:
New information has come to light concerning the Polish plane crash that killed the main figures of Poland’s government, including its President.
According to investigative reporter Jane Burgermeister, the black box indicates no mechanical issues with the plane and no interference on the part of Poland’s President to force a landing of the plane against the wishes of the pilot.
In addition, there is no indication at all from the recovered record that the plane attempted several landings, as reported by Russian officials.
The plane attempted to land only once. Discrepancies also exist with regard to claims by Russian officials regarding crash logistics, the ability of the pilot to speak Russian, and other official statements that do not square with the facts.
In addition, no bodies nor their possessions were found in video footage taken after the crash . Videos of the crash scene indicate nothing but wreckage. This is due to the fact that the deceased and their possessions were removed by Russian officials and taken to Moscow.
Russian officials were also observed making curious changes to runway lights and tampering with radar equipment.
All forensic evidence concerning the crash was removed by Russian officials, making it impossible for Polish officials to examine this evidence. However, a video taken briefly after the crash is now being examined by Polish forensics specialists. The video captures small caliber gun shots being fired after the crash.
Burgermeister’s video report (her second video report from Krakow dated April 19 – KC) is an eye-opener that sheds new light on this issue, which has international implications”, American paper writes.
From our part we would like to note that in its video report in English of 9:25 minutes a European journalist Jane Burgermeister, who lives in Vienna, has dual citizenship of Austria and Switzerland, indicates that the video shows that the Russian secret police had finished off the survived witnesses of the crash.
The journalist has also noted that according to unofficial information in Poland, the Russian placed special warning lamps of the runway in such a way so as to make the plane to land in the forest.
Jane Burgermeister’s employment was terminated soon afterwards.
Dear Halina,
“Conservative National Examiner?”
Um, no. It’s reliability is a joke in America. This thing is a rag, not fit for wrapping fish or housebreaking puppies.
Per Wikipedia (this tool doesn’t think much of it either):
The National Examiner is a supermarket tabloid owned by the American Media Corporation. Like other tabloids, its contents have often come under question, and it has been derided for its sensationalistic writing.
The Examiner has the fewest pages and is the least expensive tabloid in American Media’s portfolio; it aims for an older audience.
While its sister publications focus on more current content (such as the National Enquirer’s focus on celebrity news and Globe’s political and culture stories), the Examiner focuses on longer-standing stories; stories involving Loretta Lynn and Elizabeth Taylor have been frequently featured on the Examiner’s front page.
Also prominently featured among the Examiner’s stories are articles on daytime television, usually of dubious quality (for instance, an article on The Price Is Right published a week before the 36th season had begun declared new host Drew Carey a flop and speculated the return of former host Bob Barker).
**There is no website for the Examiner.**
[How does one then check their stories for one’s self, except to go to a grocery market in the US and buy it. Burgermeister is relying on this for anything close to professional independent journalism?]
It is owned by American Media Inc – specializes in hyperbolic innuendos, political hit pieces, and outright lying, slanderous and gossipy supermarket tabloids, muscle and celebrity magazines. It bought supermarket tabloids that Rupert Murdoch originally owned.
http://www.americanmediainc.com/
“What the tabloid’s readers, in politics and out, may not know is that a key owner of the Enquirer [and National Examiner] is a prominent New York investment banker and one of Hillary Clinton’s key backers, Roger Altman [Jew].
*** “Altman was an official in the first Clinton administration…
“The investment boutique which Altman founded and chairs, Evercore Partners, bought a controlling stake in American Media, which publishes the [National Examiner and] Enquirer, in 1999, which it still holds with a partner.
Evercore’s president, Austin Beutner [Jew?], sits on American Media’s Board of Directors, according to Evercore’s website.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1007/The_Clintonite_who_owns_National_Enquirer.html
[If Burgermeister in Europe is relying on this Jew-controlled nonsense for responsible reporting, there is something very, very wrong going on. Can anyone spell dis-info?
I respected her work on the vaccine issues, however, this is too much. Soros-backed Obama Administration = Clinton Administration redux. Same cast of crummy Zionist Jew characters controlling the White House.]
Dear KathJuliane/Halina,
Ms Jane is a very polemic journalist even on the vaccine subject:
http://www.rense.com/general86/whois.htm
Did she ever really sued the FBI as she claimed?
Dear Halima
The Huffington Post has picked up many of the anomalies that you mention and highlights the TAWS question which is far from settled.
See Max Kolonk’s report:
“The Mystery of Poland’s Presidential Plane Crash Deepens:
”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-kolonko/the-mystery-of-polands-pr_b_551223.html
The statements that you are making here about Polish perceptions of Russia (both historically and at present) agree with the perceptions of Christopher A Ferrera.
Mr Ferrera is an American constitutional lawyer (studied foreign policy at Georgetown U) and a columnist for http://www.fatima.org.
His column is entitled “Fatima Perspectives” and his ‘Conversion of Russia’ file is written against the mainstream W perception (esp in the Catholic press) that communism has collapsed. He does identify ‘communism’ with the Soviet and that is a weakness in his thinking – to my mind.
In his columns, Ferrera argues that what is touted as the ‘the collapse of communism’ in Western media is actually the re-organisation of Russia along neo-Stalinist lines. To get the full impact of his thinking and evidences, one must read all his columns in the ‘Conversion of Russia’ file in his “Fatima Perspectives.”
I am sure that you are clued up on this. But for the Western reader, who would get to the bottom of these enormous issues, “Fatima Perspectives” is essential reading.
And Jane Burgermeister has now picked up from the Russian news agency – Kommersant – that a law allowing Russia’s secret service to arrest people without warrant is to go before the Russian Duma in the near future.
This exactly the type of legislation that is always needed under true Communism which is the emerging NWO. And it is especially necessary in the wake of black operations, notably after 9-11 in the U.S.
This legislation does remind me of one of comrade Stalin’s dictums: ‘get me the man and I’ll give you the crime.’
Other personal favorities are : ‘in a democracy it doesn’t matter who votes but who counts the votes’; ‘we don’t let our people have guns, why should we let them have ideas’; or ‘in order to control the opposition, you must lead the opposition.’
Anybody who wants to rule the world had better get to grips with comarade Stalin and how to ‘in a nutshell’ sayings.
In the above, I use the term ‘communist’ advisedly. Russia was never, according, to my understanding of ‘communist’ in the true Marxist Leninist sense. Communism is by definition global. And according to Marx, communism is the final phase of monopoly, or money trust capitalism. It takes him the entire Vol III of The Kapital to lay this out.
But in terms of real politik: in order to hammer the federal reserve capitalism of the West into true Communism, a hammer was needed.
Therefore, the true Marxist, Leninist Communists – the Jew Money Trusts of the West – financed the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia and established the state monopoly socialism of the the Soviet.
And when Germany and Italy succeeded in throwing off their ‘communist’ revolutions that were wreaking such havoc in Central Europe during the 1930’s, International Jewry set up National Socialism in Germany in order for Hitler to invade Russia, so that Russia would invade Europe and consolidate Central Europe for the Soviet.
And they did this with the assistance of the true Communist Western leaders who handed Stalin all of Central Europe at Yalta.
That was one of the true covert goals of WW II that was machinated by the Allied Forces. Therefore, Poland was at war on all fronts.
To my mind, the Rabbit Hole, goes very deep.
Thank you so much for all your links on Poland and Central Europe. I have read this with great interst. I see that the Polish monarchy itself established the Sejm. In England, a Parliament had to be forced on the monarchy with the assistance of the pope.
I think the best and most stable democratic institutions always existed under monarchy – like the Bretton parliament in France.
Keep talking to us Halima. May God bless you and all your valiant nation.
Dear brother Nathanael,
I have read the comments to this article with a great interest.
It is rather difficult to express my feeling in a foreign language but I should say simple:
I’m very happy to know that in America there is a person who admires the Russian Imperial Family, the Czar Nicholas II, his Czarina Alexandria AND THEIR PRECIOUS ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN children.
Your view on Russian history as a successor of the Byzantine is clearly correct and absolutely the same as of many Russians.
You may differ in some aspects of the history due to the lack of origin historical material but your understanding of:
“Sacred Monarchy” by which the !!!JEWS CANNOT!!! take control but are kept under lock deserves my admiration to such a person nowadays.
Not many even Russians do understand this main point of Monarchy which goes out from the Bible and is proved by history.
I should thank you for your devoted work on Russia.
At the same time I should warn you that Putin and Medvedev are just behaving themselves the way that fullfils the expectations of many Russians in a strong goverment power – but as many expectations turn into illusions the real life in Russia is somewhat dual of the atitude to these government people.
I wish you could understand Russian language to read more on the subject of Orthodox Monarchy and follow news inside Russia.
In such a hope I provide you with links to the publishing and news agency RUSIDEA (http://rusidea.org ) and the Union of Russian People ( http://srn.rusidea.org ).
You may want to look up for “Union of Russian People” and “black hundred” on some history web-portals but as of my experience they are very scarce on the true information.
Any questions that you may want to ask I will follow on our web-forum: http://www.rusidea.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=31554#31554
With respect and Christian love,
Serge A. Salamanka
Union of Russian People, Minsk
Greetings in our Lord Jesus, Jgalindes,
For a look at the “quality” of the covers of National Examiner, of which people buy tongue-in-cheek for entertainment and astrology, try here:
http://www.magazine-agent.com/national-examiner/magazine
National Examiner and Jane Burgermeister just busted herself as a flagrant liar on someone’s payroll, methinks.
The National Examiner article that Halima cites (which has no website of its own) cites a “Anthony J. Martin,” which is an apparent confusing “parody” (dare I say cheap-rip off spoof or intentional deception based on similarity of names that no one might notice?) on a true, very well respected and prominent journalist commentator, “Anthony G. Martin” of the entirely unrelated and respected Conservative Examiner (of San Francisco): http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner
Also see: http://image.examiner.com/National-Politics_Examiners.html
To add to the confusion in the ‘National Inquirer’ there is a popular talk column titled “Ask Tony,” but he is not the ‘Anthony J. Martin’ nor the caliber of Anthony G. Martin of the SF Conservative-Examiner.
I didn’t follow Jane exclusively on the vaccine crisis (too much Alex Jones and Propagandamatrix infotainment hype), and thought she was a bit light-minded, careless and hyperactive in the larger effort.
But now this Rense post from Devvy Kidd is a real eye-opener as the parasitic fraud Jane is, especially bumbling about the very key point confusing Baxter and Novartis as to who is the reverse engineering of the vaccine and holds the patent.
Devvy Kidd is truly a experienced professional of impeccable reputation in constitutional law and conservative political analyst and always, always does her homework. If she says that there is no suit on file, there is no suit, period.
Lawsuit and criminal case filings are public record (unless otherwise sealed by a judicial court ruling) as are the dockets which track the progress of a lawsuit in the courts.
I can’t seem to find any digital facsimiles on Burgermeister’s or anyone else’s websites that documents that she actually made these “criminal” federal court filings or joined in a case co-named with someone else. Not that these alleged filings would be actually “criminal” but civil.
If the FBI or any other criminal justice agency had filed criminal charges for prosecution at her alleged report, it would not be in Burgermeister’s name, but in the name of the US Attorney General or other prosecuting authority, and which would have the appropriate court clerk’s seals.
Wait, it wasn’t the FBI after all, it was the Vienna State Prosecutor’s Office. No, wait, it was allegedly “sweeping charges with both the FBI and the Vienna State Prosecutor.”
Time to show the world the legal documents for all of this activity that Burgermeister has allegedly done, instead of riding the coattails of the legitimate activists.
Let me see, how many times has “Jane Burgermeister” been “fired” now for breaking a story?
She was “fired” for her reporting of the Flu Vaccine, and now she’s been “fired” over her reportage of the Smolensk disaster.
Where has she been “fired” from this time?
She is sometimes an “Austrian-Swiss” investigative journalist, and sometimes an “Austrian-Irish” investigative journalist.
Burgermeister claims that she wrote articles for the prestigious British Medical Journal (which is for medical physicians and researchers), yet she does not appear in their published search file. Of course, she could have written them, and BMJ rejected them. “Written” and “published” are two different things. “Written articles” does not make her a published, peer-reviewed author in the BMJ.
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/search?fulltext=Jane+Burgermeister&sortspec=date
Jane does have at least three published articles in the NWO Green Agenda Nature magazine, between 2004-2007 regarding carbon, global warming (“climate change”) http://www.metafilter.com/82865/The-way-you-make-me-feel
And has written for a part of Nature Publishing Company called bioentrepeneur: http://www.nature.com/bioent/2004/041201/full/bioent841.html
Fondly yours in Christ,
KathJ
IC XC
NI KA
P.S. Jgalindes:
As it turns out, the article Halina cited was written by Anthony G. Martin of Conservative Examiner (not Anthony J. Martin of National Examiner).
He is relying on dear Jane Burgermeister claiming a “breaking story” that on the 25th of April, she “has uncovered evidence showing small caliber gun-fire at the scene of the crash and discrepancies between the official Russian version of the disaster and the information recovered in the ‘black box’ voice recorders from the plane.”
This has to be the same tape that was posted on the 10th or 11th of April right after the crash on YouTube and went viral, and then was eventually published in Polish and Russian media within a couple of days.
Fifteen days later Jane has “uncovered evidence” for a “breaking story” in Western media (after political analysts have already worked it over to Western advantage) about all the suspicions raised in Poland and Russia, generated by the press garble and speculations, without checking facts and technicalities of the crash itself, spun through biased and inadequate translations, and can’t give any kind of straight answer by just repeating everything they read.
http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d24-Videonew-report-implicates-Russian-govt-in-Polish-plane-crash
Jane Burgermeister reported extensively on the swine flu ‘pandemic’ of 2009, the Baxter H1N1 vaccine, the EU and WHO policies of mandatory vaccination, her opposition and activism against this in Austria and in Europe.
And she was censored in the Jew MSM. I do not find that it is at all to her discred if she got ‘fired’. There are no journalists of integrity working for the Jew MSM.
She covered the H1N1 bioterrorism of the EU and WHO on her website http://www.theflucase.com which is now down. I read these reports throughout 2009 and they were picked up on many websites. The Australian Vaccination Network followed her reports closely.
Poland’s Minister for Health, Ewa Kopacz gave a speech in the Polish Parliament (the Sejm) on the dangers of the swine flu vaccination and why Poland opposed the mandatory vaccination program being promoted by the EU and the WHO. This speech was censored in the Jew MSM, but that is no discredit to the Polish Health Minister. The censored video can be viewed on Global Research. Video: H1N1 Influenza Polish Minister of Health Rejects WHO sponsored vaccine.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&16102.
Coverage was given to the Polish stand against the EU and WHO on the Moldova website. http://social.moldova.org/news/swine-flu-vaccines-safety-polish-minister-of-health-speech-204609-eng.html.
This was only one issue in which it can be demonstrated that Polish officials from the Law and Justice Party in the Tusk government have been successfully opposing the EU.
I have never seen a claim by Jane Burgermeister that she has contributed to the British Medical Journal as a peer reviewed author. For most people who are clued up about drug company medicine, the pharma cartel such an ‘achievement’ would immediately discredit her.
In her interview with Bill Ryan of Project Camelot Vienna Austria 8, 2009, she is very candid about her her activism and her views.
JB “…I myself had come to realize that the media was totally controlled through my own experiences [now there’s a surprise] working in the media, I didn’t make too much effort in trying to alert the newspapers I sent the story, or the pitch, to the BMJ. The editor wasn’t interests. I wasn’t surprised.”
BR: “That’s the British Medical Journal”
JB: “Yes, for which I have worked. The Lancet wasn’t interested. I sent it to the Austrian papers; no response. Profil, an Austrian magazine, actually wrote an article whitewashing Baxter, in spite of all my info.”
And she opposed the Austrian government’s programme of mandatory mass vaccination with H1N1 – specifically the Baxter vax.
JG: “I wnet to the Austrian Embassy in Vienna and file [bioterrorism] charges with the FBI. ”
She further stated that the FBI did not contact her further, did not give her a ref no for her file. All she has is the emails.
http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/jane_burgermeister_interview_transcript_en.html.
The fact that the Polish Health Minister has now been praised by the EU for her courageous stand against big pharma, Baxter and its lethal vax, the EU and WHO somehow does not rehabilitate Jane Burgermeister who not only reported this stand but took the same stand with her government and courageously followed the ‘pandemic’ throughout 2009. Now why is that?
“Polish Prosecutor (Andrzej Seremet) to Go to Moscow to Clarify Plane Crash Riddles” by Jane Burgermeister was filed on April 27, 2010 http://birdflu666.wordpresscom.
Her report is an English rendering of the April 27, 2010 “Tupolew Katastrophe-Alarm vor dem Absturz” on Polskweb.
http://polskaweb.eu/tragoedie-von-smolensk-recherche-64784763.html. The Polskaweb report features the photos and the amateur video with the four shots at the scene of the crash.
In Jane Burgermeister’s report, Andrzej Seremet is go to Moscow to clarify the following issues:
The equipment at Smolensk at the time of the crash.
Photos of Russian soldiers changing the landing lights shortly after the crash (this photo was featured in the Huffington Post article that I have previously cited).
The amatuer video which records four gunshots (this is published on Polskweb).
The dozens of spare ammunition magazines belonging to Polish security that have now disappeared.
Precise weather data for April 10, 2010. This is special interest in light of the Russian statement to Polskaweb that a few minutes before the crash a thick fog appeared out of nowhere.
Why only one fire engine was dispatched to the crash site and why the first ambulances arrived without lights and sirens.
The official Russian version of the TU 154 crash states that the crash occurred after falling 2.5 km from the runway, however the plane was equipped with TAWS devices, 3D simulator and 3D devices for measurement and speed – how did all these fail simultaneously.
These are key questions around the many, many anomalies surrounding this incident. They must be answered satififactorily for the official Russian version of the event ‘to fly’ so to speak.
Nothing about this event is straightfoward and there is motive on the part of both the Russian government and the Tusk government to get rid of precisely the group of people that supposedly died in that crash.
My hypothesis is that they did not die in the crash, they were taken by security and shot right after the Katyn commemorative Mass they attended in Poland.
And a decoy plane was flown to Smolensk and crashed. That was why no bodies (supposedly burned beyond recognition) were not recovered. Why the amateur videographer has been killed and why the ambulances dispatched to the scene did not arrive as in the manner of an emergency.
It is clear from the photos that the cockpit survived relatively intact. The shots that were heard on the video would account for Russian security finishing off the survivors from anong the crew – if there were any.
Note the Moldova link in the above post should read:
http://social.moldova.org/news/swine-flu-vaccines-safety-polish-minister-of-health-speech-204619-eng.html.
Sorry
Dear Lynda,
Despite there are so many interrogants, so much to be discovered there are some technical clues, that people with specialized knowledge are following with attention.
The Russians should have closed the airport, following international standards, not having precision landing systems and heavy fog combination.
There are strong indications that for the previous visit, 3 days before the tragedy, of Mr. Putin and Mr. Tusk, Mobile Microwave Landing System (MMLS) were deployed to equip the airfield with precision landing, all weather capabilities.
These MMLS can be quickly assembled by three persons in two hours and is obvious that it was disassembled as soon as the dignitaries left the place.
See:
http://www.textrondefense.com/pdfs/datasheets/mmls_datasheet.pdf
As evidenced by the known facts regarding Polish airplane approach, we must admit that the pilot apparently made several wrong procedures, combined in all probabilities with factors ranging from navigation equipment malfunction and or lack of proper operation:
TAWS: it is apparent that digital maps for Smolensk were not furnished with the equipment, nor procured for the trip – navigation Computer inputs – altimeters.
And once again ATC wrong directives, especially barometric pressure at the airport, this has to be carefully checked, because for example, going from 759 mmHg to 749mmHg puts the aircraft at a 120 meter lower altitude.
There is ample room for speculations pointing towards a magnicide.
But there are plenty indications of the ever present combination of human and machine factors leading to an accident of this magnitude.
Sorry,
I forgot to mention that many people are mistakingly considering the structural survival of the Polish TU 154 M cockpit.
It was totally disintegrated when the aircraft touched earth up-side down.
Photos showed the relatively undamaged TAIL section of the flying machine.
Burgermeister is listed in numerous sites as a freelance writer or freelance science writer, a medical and environmental journalist, a medical editor.
By definition, a freelancer, freelance worker, or freelance is somebody who is self-employed and is not committed to a particular employer longterm. Therefore, she cannot be fired like a regular employee, yet she keeps claiming that she was “fired.”
This page for the flucase.com since April 22, 2010 is “page not found” on this server. In cache:
“You have reached the cached page for http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=309&Itemid=70&lang=pl
http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=jane+burgermeister+fraud&d=4818571138173511&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=5ba78c9c,733a63cb
“With an MA Honours degree from Edinburgh University, Scotland, she has written for Nature, the British Medical Journal, The Scientist, Reuters Health, and The Guardian among other publications.
[She has “written” as a freelancer for Nature Publishing, nothing appears under her name in the BMJ, and the other claimed publications have not been checked. What is her MA degree actually in? MI-6?]
“She was European Correspondent for the website of Renewable Energy World Network, a position from which she was suddenly dismissed in July 2009 after filing a series of criminal charges against Baxter, WHO and others alleging bioterrorism with the intent to commit mass murder.”
~~~
Maybe she was “dismissed” in July 2009 from her freelancing because of persistent problems with inaccurate, misleading and incompetent technical writing. Maybe she decided to simply stop writing for them, because her last article contribution was dated in June of 2009 and she moved on to the greener, more lucrative pastures of the “conspiracy world.”
Furthermore, let us see this sudden termination notice directly stemming from her actions pertaining to the alleged “filing of a series of criminal charges” she claims she did during the admittedly very real and serious crises of death-dealing vaccinations, and for which she has provided no legal proof that she ever did so. Where are the Austrian court documents?
However, for Renewable Energy World Network (based in New Hampshire) it is not exactly clear how she could be a staff “European Correspondent” (with the caps implying an actual title and position) rather than simply a free lance correspondent from Europe, of which there are several others.
She is not by-lined as a permanent staff writer or editor, much less “European Correspondent”, on behalf of the Network. The policy news editor does describe her as “our contributor,” however, and points out the popularity of two of her articles in the “top five” at the end of 2008.
She has submitted 22 articles related to renewable energy between Jan 2008 and June of 2009. How does she submit them? It appears articles are sent by email on a particular form to Jennifer Runyon, Managing Editor, or the other editors listed.
So in July, she may have submitted an article, and it may or may not have been on the Anti-Vaccine crisis, the Globalists, Big Pharma, and since it doesn’t fall in the purview of Renewable Energy, her article was rejected by the managing editor. Or else she wrote another article which was rejected instead. That is the life of a freelance journalist and the perogatives of news editors.
“Dec 11, 2008
jane-burgermeister-164700 posted a comment to Ocean Currents May Bring Italy More Tidal Energy [an article she wrote for Renewable Energy]
“Hi Nick and Ronald, Just to get back to you both on the query about the 100 meter cable. It should be a 100 MILE cable. An error in translation! My apologies! This, by the way, is what Werner Ebner said in an email:
‘ “It is correct that over a certain distance the transmission is a problem, but only for more then 100 miles. This is the reason why we talk about the possibility to produce hydrogen on the vessels. As an energy vector hydrogen could be collected and transported to the harbors by tank vessels. In this way we could exploit the energy of flows located far from the shore. At this moment of time hydrogen technology is not ready for commercial use, however in the future it could be an alternative.” ‘
Hope that helps! Cheers, Jane”
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/u/jane-burgermeister-164700
“Miles” and “meters” are not that difficult to translate, and they do make a certain “slight” technical difference concerning distance.
~~~
Example from a commentator on theflucase.com:
“CN Srikrishna from Dubai 2009-08-24 02:18:40
“Why have there been so many deaths among microbiologists?
“This TITLE is very MIS-Leading and puts your blog in poor light…. The actual report bears little relevance to the main topic
“Pl change the title to remove any references to Biologists…your title reads…and Keep it as Scientists…my reasoning follows
1.The 1st on the list Wallace Pannier was 81 years old, cause of death not discussed….COMMON…and this is first on the LIST. He died of Old age.
2. Next Gus Watanabe is 67, his daughter is listed, but she was not a Biologist…..is Steve counting her too ???
3. Gabriel Ferez….He was working on Eco-friendly fuels
4. Lee Jong-woo….Seems like a natural death
5. Robert J. Lull, was 66 years and a Nuclear Scientist NOT a BIOLOGIST…
6. Geetha Angara was a “Chemist”
7. Eugene Mallove was not a Biologist…he was a new Energy man
this goes on….and on
Do change the title or remove the article…
Regds
CN
Dear CN
You are right. I will make the change.
Best Regards
Johan Niklasson”
Johan Niklasson is the webmaster.
http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=jane+burgermeister+fraud&d=4818571138173511&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=5ba78c9c,733a63cb
“For all charges check out”:
http://wakenews.net/html/jane_burgermeister.html
This is not about her freelance reporting, it is about an apparent and blatant fraud that she keeps brazening through when people call her on it.
As of 8/24/2009 until 4/22/2010 when her webpage was allegedly hacked, she continuously declares that she FILED a series of criminal charges, not “will file,” but FILED with the FBI, etc, etc..
She was/ is purposefully soliciting money from readers specifically for her alleged criminal legal fund with the claim that she had already filed court actions and yet, apparently these actions have never been performed.
If she were simply soliciting contributions for her ongoing journalistic work, no problem. But, she specifically claims that it is for her alleged criminal legal fund, a legal fund for which she can show no evidence that she is acting in good faith in pursuing through the courts and agencies she keeps claiming she is doing.
This is the legal definition of fraud:
“An intentional perversion of truth for the purpose of inducing another in reliance upon it to part with some valuable thing belonging to him or to surrender a legal right.”
No matter how competently she may perform as a freelance journalist, that she has publicly claimed in many forums that she has filed all of these charges, and then hasn’t, is toxic, and no one has done it to her except herself.
This completely poisons her credibility, regardless of how truthful she may be in her written work, not to mention everyone else’s credibility by association, just like the 9-11 Truth Movement got poisoned and hijacked by incompetents, fools and pied-piper disinformation agents until the movement dissolved into factional chaos.
Fraud: “A false representation of a matter of fact, whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by concealment of that which should have been disclosed, which deceives and is intended to deceive another so that he shall act upon it to his legal injury.” – Black’s Law Dictionary
This is called “bad faith” which is synomous with “fraud.” Elements of a cause of action for “fraud” include false representation of a present or past fact.
As distinguished from negligence, it is always positive, intentional. It comprises all acts, omissions, and concealments involving a breach of legal or equitable duty and resulting in damage to another.
“To contribute to the criminal legal fund send a PayPal donation to:
jmburgermeister@gmail.com
or
Jane Buergermeister (Jane Bürgermeister)
Bank Austria Creditanstalt
Schottengasse 1- 6, A-1010 Wien, Austria
Account number: xxxxxxxxxxx
Swift code: 12 000
IBAN = AT83 11000 152 11 53 3300
BIC = BKAUATWWXXX
This also works
Buergermeister, Jane
IBAN des Empfängers xxxxxxxxxxxxx
BIC / SWIFT-Code der Bank des Empfängers BKAUATWWXXX
Kreditinstitut des Empfängers UNICREDIT BANK AUSTRIA AG
Straße und Hausnummer des Kreditinstituts 231, SCHOENBRUNNER STRASSE
PLZ und Ort des Kreditinstituts VIENNA
Zielland Österreich/Austria
The web site http://www.theflucase is managed by Evolution Production GmbH based in Switzerland. Contact the site administration here: theflucase@evopro.ch”
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A File is a record of the court. A paper is said to be filed when it is delivered to the proper officer, and by him received to be kept on file as a matter of record and reference.
The FILE in a case includes the original complaint and all pleadings and papers belonging thereto. A FILE is the permanent preservation as a public record.
Where are the court documents and the agency criminal case file face sheets?
Plenty of drafts that she calls her “criminal charges” at:
http://wakenews.net/html/jane_burgermeister.html (even says in one document, “this is still a draft”), but no proof of legally filed complaints, pleadings, docket and case numbers and court seals. No Plaintiffs/Victims listed, just blank lines. None of these are legal documents and official public records certain actions.
These are DRAFTS, and drafts are not legal documents, nor proof that she ever filed any. A draft is a tentative, provisional, or preparatory writing out of any document for purposes of discussion and correction, which is afterwards to be prepared in its final form.
It would be an entirely different matter if she actually identified them as drafts, works in progress, but she doesn’t. She calls them her “criminal charges.”
And her drafts are worded to guarantee that these complaints will be be ridiculed or dismissed outright as being filed by “aluminum hat wearing conspiracy wingnuts,” after commandeering the fruits of the years of labors of numerous sincere anti-vaccine researchers, victims and activists, when it is mixed up with popular conspiracy jargon like naming defendents/respondents as “Illuminati, Trilateral Commission, Globalists, Satanists, etc.”
Where are the relevant case and docket numbers that proves she made the effort to file lawsuits and “criminal charges” as claimed from August 2009 until 4/22/2010? Which courts? Which officers? What are the names of the Austrian prosecutors? What are the dispositions of the court cases and criminal reports?
Even if the cases were dismissed or not pursued for lack of evidence, there would still be case numbers and court docket numbers and final dispositions by the court and/or agency as a matter of public record. Where are they, Linda?
http://wakenews.net/Microsoft_Word__Criminal_Charges__Swine_flu_edits_v2_1_.pdf (Page 99 of numerous cut and paste citations by other researchers and investigators where she says she is still working on a timeline and that this document is a working draft.)
Jane claims on a PDF to have sent a document with the header “Criminal Charges-Jane Burgermeister to washington.field@ic.fbi.gov. Mon, Jun 22, [2009].
Then the next line reads: “Forwarded message” [Who is it forwarded from? Herself, and then she replaced the addy with the email addy of the DC-FBI? Then PDF-d it? Normally, sending an e-mail is simply sending an email as in “To, From, CC”
Not that this makes it any kind of official document called “Criminal charges” much less an official FBI report. With a case number.
She is really quite casual for such an important part of the report, and starts out her message with:
“Hallo,
I sent you what I believe is substantial evidence of the use of pandemic flu to depopulate USA after I filed charges against Baxter’s Austrian subsidiary…”
Then she writes in the next paragraph:
“Please find attached new documents that I have revised and formatted to make it easier to digest the evidence that the people of the USA…etc.”
What’s wrong here? If she had already contacted the FBI and they had started a case, and if this is followup information to that case, then there would be a case number and the name of the assigned field agent in whose attention this case addition would be sent for followup.
Not just “Hallo,”
http://www.theflucase.com/downloads/Criminal_Charges_FBI-US.pdf
~~~
Peace in Christ, Linda
Dear KathJuliane,
Because the global Jew MSM is totally discredited in my mind, the problems, anomalies, misunderstandings, irregularities, smears, dysinfo, the ‘he saids / she saids’ attatching to the bloggers and their reports really make little impression upon me.
All I am interested in is information and the way in which it corroborrates and develops.
Jane Burgermeister’s reports on the 2009 ‘pandemic’ were widely published here in Australia. All the anti-vaccination networks posted her reports with cross refs to other independent sources.
And we all got the picture. Dead as a Baxter Ferret, I think does about sum it up.
I have posted here the relevant sections of her interview with Project Camelot – what she actually stated on their record – with regard to many of the issues you raise as well the many insinuations around those issues.
People will make up their own minds on the basis of her own statements.
All she claims is to have worked for BMJ – which is nothing more than a big pharma screed. Maybe she worked as a copyeditor; maybe she was the tea lady. Really I don’t care.
The tea lady who can open a chest with cabbage leaf poutice, hot rock / sage sweat knows more about pneumothorax than the BMJ and drug company medicine.
So, to my mind, it is certainly does not assist Jane Burgermeister’s credibility that she ‘worked for BMJ’ – in whatever capacity.
People will make of this what they will.
The crash of TU 154 is a most significant story – no matter who is reporting, no matter how much credibility (or not) they have in terms of mainstream. In Australia this event received less than 2 mins of coverage on the 6 pm with no follow up, no back-ground, no comment. Paris Hilton’s new boyfriend got more media than this event. That fact alone and in itself means there is a lot more to this story than the fact of the crash – apart from any other evidence.
The way I see it, even if a complete amateur in a tin foil hat (which I think is a pretty good idea) in a tee shirt marked wingnut and a checkered career was to pick up the story of the TU 154 crash and start digging around for facts and blogging on the subject – I give that more interest and credibility and time to check out than anything coming from ‘reliable’ sources.
I do not trust either the official Russian or the official Polish account of this story. The independent Polish avionics investigation is being hampered from both the official Polish and the official Russian side. I think Jane Burgermeister and others correctly reported this fact.
And those are the findings that I am interested in.
In Christo
Dear jgalindes,
Thank you for your comments on the technical side of the investigation.
So that box like thing in the photos of the wreckage, you make out to be the tail section? Really, I wouldn’t know – but I’ll take your word for it.
No matter what angle you look at this event, there are more questions than answers.
Just as the engineers and pilots who investigated 9-11 contributed decisive information that eventually helped millions to reach the correct conclusion, it is to be hoped that independent avionics can do the same for the TU 154 crash.
Dear Lynda,
You will find below an interesting sketch of aircraft frame disintegration on land contact:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_06bGa1QkqOY/S9dLV6SfD2I/AAAAAAAAFnA/K2xYWZna_vc/Untitled-26.jpg
For real photos of TU 154M tail go to:
http://luckybogey.wordpress.com/2010/04/23/poland-tragedy-is-a-part-of-our-history-and-national-psyche/
(Please roll down slowly until reaching the first on-site fragment photo under consideration.)
Now compare from the sketch above, frame number six, the leftmost fragment is the one considered.
As you can see below the on-site photo, there are two other showing the tail section undamaged.
This not only finished the theory of crew survival, but also ended supposed pilot execution on video, shown lifting a hand close to the tail section, am I right?
Appreciated you’ve believed in me!
Greetings in the Lord, Jgalindes
I’ve been working this up that you may appreciate.
Fr. Joseph suggested when this happened that the plane’s airspeed on descent was 150 Kn which converts to 172 mph (274 kph). By analogy, an automobile traveling 60 mph (97 kph) travels at 88 f/s (26.8 m/s), therefore the plane was traveling at just under 270 fps if using Fr. Joseph’s suggested number.
For comparative purposes in terms of distance in proportion to speed, time, and human factors for us earthlings to relate to, highway safety and traffic guidelines state that for an average person to safely brake an average automobile on dry pavement traveling 60 mph to a full stop requires 6-7 seconds, including 1-2 second recognition/reaction time at initial velocity, for a total distance of 304 ft, or just over the length of a football field.
(Rule of Thumb: recognition/reaction distance 132 ft + braking/deceleration 172 ft).
This rule is such a constant that a police traffic investigator can calculate the speed of a vehicle from skid marks, distance and other collision data.
The same vehicle traveling 172 mph ( app. 250 fps) on the ground would require recognition/reaction distance 374 ft + braking/deceleration 690 ft. for 1064 ft total.
But we are not trying to brake a car to a stop, but avoid terrain hazard or land a plane so we are interested only in distance, air-speed and recognition/reaction time, so auto braking/deceleration distance doesn’t apply.
Average recognition/reaction time is a known human constant variable of ½ to 2 seconds. A skilled pilot might be on the quicker side of things, perhaps ½ – 1 second recognition/response, but he would still have to deal with a heavy aircraft weighing over 100 tons.
The Russian-Polish joint aviation commission investigating the crash that the preliminary estimate is that the plane was traveling between “150-180 meters per second.”
This works out to 492 – 590 fps, considerably more than that calculated from Fr. Joseph’s suggested 170 Kt figure. For illustration, calculations are from the lowest figure.
At slowest speed using the field flight safety investigation figures, No 101 was traveling:
492 ft/s x 60sec x 60min = 1,771,200 ft/h /5280 = 335 mph / 539kmh / 291Kn
Under standard Flight Rules on a non-precision (non-ILS) approach, the minimum visibility for landing is 1,000 meters (3,280 ft or 0.62 miles). The pilot must be able to see the center line of the runway from that distance.
On a good visibility day, traveling 492 ft/s, the full 1,000 m/3,280 ft of minimal visibility at .62 miles out, this allows a window of 6.66 seconds (3,280/492) for recognition/reaction time plus the implementation of necessary actions and corrections.
Visibility was recorded as 400-500 meters (1312-1640 ft). Transiting the same distance of 3,280 ft but reduced margin of visibility at any given point in transit, the window for recognition/reaction time + actions is 1312/492= 2.6 sec; 1640/492 = 3.3 sec. With the pilot’s quicker reflexes, in short he had a 3-5 second window.
How fast can something happen?
This was a C-130 aerial firefighter heavy airtanker that went down due to structural failure in 2002 in Calif very low to the ground. These pilots are highly skilled at virtual acrobatics in rugged terrain-hugging flight for precision water or retardant drops.
The crew made an initial spotting pass over the drop zone, then flew back for the drop, which was to be a 1/2 salvo, dispensing half of the onboard retardant. The drop run required the aircraft to make a perpendicular crossing of a ridgeline and then descend into a valley.
The video of the accident shows the aircraft crossing the ridge and then pitching down to begin its drop of the retardant. Near the end of the drop, the nose of the aircraft began to pitch up to level attitude as the descent was arrested.
The nose continued to pitch up past level attitude, and at the end of the drop, the right wing began to fold upwards, followed less than one second later by the left wing.
Notice the electrical explosions as the wings violently break off. Of course, we may say that the wings were shot off by fill in the blank pet energy weapons system if someone doesn’t know what wing fatigue can do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIoGvijUwOo&feature=related
Two debris fields were found, one 500 feet (150 m) in length and the other 720 feet (220 m) in length. A post-impact fire in the first debris field consumed major portions of the wing and engine components; there was no fire in the second debris field, which included the fuselage and empennage.
NTSB file aerial photo of crash site: http://www.ntsb.gov/pressrel/2002/020924_1.jpg
As a side note this was a case of aircraft fatigue, which was baffling, but considered a fluke. A second aircraft of the same kind owned by the same company also crashed the same way about a month later at a wildfire in Arizona, I think.
It took months for the NTSB investigators to solve this mystery when all of the aviation maintenance records and flight hours matched up, and they tenaciously went through everything until they came up with an answer.
The contractor companies had purchased the aircraft from the federal government. The aircraft were logged originally as ‘Government Service.’ Turned out they had been used as CIA surveillance planes and all of the spooks’ flight hours had never been clocked.
Dear KathJuliane,
Curiously I missed these observations made by Fr. Joseph.
Could you please show me the link?
Certainly, my dear Jgalindes,
My notes say Apr 12, 8:25 PM under the article AIPAC’s Wicked Deeds two weeks ago.
Apologies, don’t know how to do a link to it for you.
Dear KathJuliane,
Thanks a lot!
I must be really much disturbed with this tragedy, actually Fr. Joseph was replying to me and I even answered back to him!
I believe that Fr. Joseph is correct, almost all the guys studying this are speaking on 138 Knots.
Some Polish investigators apparently released that higher figure.
You may find the following link very informative:
http://picasaweb.google.ru/Amlmtr/MWzNeJ#slideshow/5463382103311572818
Dear Jgalindes,
All the resources and evidences from avionics that you have posted here are much appreciated.
As this story develops I look forward with great interest to see how they will fit into the emerging narrative of events.
In Christo
Dear Lynda and KathJuliane,
For your info:
Let me point to this piece of blatant misinformation authored by Jane Burgermeister appearing today (April 29, 2010) in her website:
http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/29/only-four-people-on-doomed-plane-suggests-pilot-communication/
Only four people on doomed plane, suggests pilot communication
By Jane Burgermeister
“The Polish plane that crashed in Smolensk, western Russia, on April 10th had only four people on board, audio recordings of the pilot’s communuications with the control tower suggest.
According to the recordings, the Polish pilot said that there were four people on the plane, indicating that the plane was empty apart from the four crew members.
This recording contradicts official statements that there were either 96 people or 132 people on the plane, including many top Polish civilian and military leaders.
The Polish pilot of the crashed plane IGA 703 communicates the information that there are four people on board as part of a routine exchange with the control tower as he approaches Smolensk airfield to land:
The Polish pilot says in Russian in the final sentence of the communication:
PILOT: “tolko posadka… a u nas CZIETYRJE czielovieka.”
– “only landing… and here (on board) we are FOUR people.”
The audio recording could provide corroboration to a video clip that has emerged in which four gunshots can be heard being fired among the wreckage of the plane in the immediate aftermath of the crash.
It has been speculated that four gun shots were fired to kill the survivors of the crash.
The cockpit of the crashed plane appears to be in relatively good shape, and some of the crew could have been expected to have survived.
According to the official investigation, however, the crew were among the most difficult to identify by DNA analysis in Moscow where all the bodies were allegedly taken.
The audio recording suggesting that there were only four people on board the plane — the four crew members — would correlate with the four gun shots, and with the theory of four people being killed by four shots.
None of the video footage of the crash site has shown any dead bodies or parts of bodies or the personnel belongings of crash victims.
Officials have given different figures for the number of people on the plane.
Russian officials at first said that 132 people were on the plane and 3 had survived. Polish officials said that there 89 people and 7 crew members on board, totalling 96.
Every flight has to have a precise flight plan declared on arrival and departure including the number of passengers and crew. It is, therefore, not clear why there should be discrepancies.
In addition, the time point of the crash is not clear.
Russian investigators analysing the black boxes recovered from the crash site have said the plane crashed at 8:56 am CET.
But a Polish journalist alerted his newsroom at 8:49 am CET of the crash.
The black boxes stop recording at 8:41 am CET, making this the moment when the plane most likely crashed into the ground.
Smolensk air controllers are supposed to have lost contact with the plane at 8:39 am.
Already at 8:25 am, messages appear on Russian internet forums saying: “Something happened with the Polish airplane at our airport – all fire fighters are on alarm.“
The revelation that only four people may have been on board the doomed plane will spark speculation that the military and civilians were abducted and killed in Poland.
Alternatively, the Polish delegation could have flown to Smolensk in different planes, adhering to security protocols. These planes could have been redirected to another airport and the passengers murdered on landing.
It is considered extremely improbable that so many Polish leaders would have ignored every security protocol and gone on the same plane together. But if they had been murdered elsewhere, a single plane crash could have been staged to explain their disappearance at the same time.
Adding to the mystery of who was on board, Polish journalists did not fly with the Presidential plane that April 10th morning as usual, and there appears to be no footage showing the Polish delegation boarding the plane at Warsaw.
President Lech Kaczynski is supposed to have made a call using a satellite phone to his brother shortly after 8 am, but it has been speculated that a voice synthesiser could have been used. Also, Kaczynski usually phoned his brother, Jaroslaw, after he landed – and not before, it has been stated.
Another audio recording of the doomed flight suggests that the pilot had no problems with visibility with the pilot confirming “Haze“ at 8 kilometres.
The term “Fog“ is used to describe weather conditions when there is visibility under 1 kilometre in aviation terminology.”
*****
It is a false rumor she collected in Europe.
http://forums.vatsim.net/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=48381&p=353453
“Hello everyone,
I’m sure all of you know about the terrible crash of Tupolev TU-154 last Saturday near Smolensk, Russia, which killed almost a hundred of top officials of my country.
Today I ask you to help me to block a false information, propagated in different countries.
Worldwide media are quoting a recording, made public by Russian aviation enthusiast page, which is presented as “one of the last conversation of the crew of the Polish TU-154 with Russian ATC”. This recording should be a proof that the pilot strictly demanded the landing, despite the poor weather.
This information is a lie. The recording was made several hours after the crash and it’s a Polish pilot, but completely different. It’s obvious for everyone who has any aviation knowledge, even limited.
The crashed aircraft had a callsign PLF101, but when you listen to the recording, you will notice “India Golf Alpha Siem Nul Tri” or in another place (not presented by all media) “Iguana Siem Nul Tri”, which means “Iguana (opr IGA) 703”.
It’s a Saab 340, belonging to a Polish charter company Skytaxi, which was on a flight to Smolensk with Polish authorities or families of the victims, several hours after the crash. The company has already confirmed that on their webpage.
But you know, the lie propagates very quickly, the truth not.
The recording fits well to the theory that the pilot was forced by the President to land in bad conditions, which has not been proven yet.
Therefore I ask you all: should you hear or read that recording in any media form your country, presented as original TU-154 recording, call them or write them, explaining that it’s simply not true. I have the feeling that we owe that to the dead crew of the Tupolev. [RIP].
Thanks a lot,
Michael Zazula
We can check that Skytaxi carried Polish relatives and authorities to Smolensk AFTER the tragedy.
We can see a sad message from Skytaxi confirming having taken people to Smolensk AFTER the crash.
More working notes, dear Jgalindes, that I hope you can use to help cut through the press garble and Ms. Jane’s evil twittery.
Characteristics of the aircraft (Data for the model TU154М)
Passenger capacity – 164 – 180
Fuselage diameter – 3,8 m/12.5 ft
Aircraft length – 48 m/157 ft
Wing span – 37,5 m/123 ft
Wing area – 201.5 square metres (2,169 sq ft)
Aircraft height – 11,4 m/37 ft
Maximal Takeoff weight – 102,000 kilograms (220,000 lb) – 104,000 kilograms (230,000 lb)
Empty weight – (55,300 kilograms (122,000 lb)
Payload – 18 t (16,329 kg/35,999 lbs)
Cruise speed – 850 – 900 km/h
Flight range – 4000 km
How TV or Hollyweird distorts perceptions and expectations of catastrophic events in the real world.
Hollywood vehicle, boat or airplane collisions always come packaged as explosions with exaggerated flames and fireballs, shot from multiple directions and angles for dramatic effect, stretching for minutes, otherwise on film they look paltry, too, compared to reality.
An “explosion” and an “impact” are two distinct problems.
An explosion by definition is a rapid increase in volume and release of energy in an extreme manner, usually with the generation of high temperatures and release of gases. It is accompanied with a shock wave.
But there are also types of explosions that are ‘mechanical explosions.’ Strictly a physical process, as opposed to chemical or nuclear, eg, the bursting of a sealed or partially-sealed container under internal pressure is often referred to as a ‘mechanical explosion’.
Examples include an overheated boiler or a simple tin can of sealed food heated in a fire, or (strange reality) the icicle that falls off the roof and punctures the large propane tank causing a BLEVE, which may or may not ignite, but still destroys the house and better part of an acre because of the concussion and shock wave.
A BLEVE ( boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion) is one type of mechanical explosion, but depending on the contents of the container, the effects can be dramatically more serious. A tanker truck carrying a load of compressed helium (non-flammable gas) can still mechanically explode sending out a violent shock wave and concussion doing widespread damage, but helium is inert so a chemical explosion doesn’t follow.
Consider a propane tank in the midst of a fire. In addition to the limited effects of the simple mechanical explosion when the tank fails, a second chemical explosion follows from the released (initially liquid and then almost instantaneously gaseous) propane in the presence of any ignition source.
For this reason, emergency workers often differentiate between the two events – mechanical explosion and chemical explosion.
So, in common parlance and Hollyweird FX we are accustomed to saying that an “airplane crashed and exploded,” when most correctly it is the plane “impacted.” There may be secondary chemical explosions from ignition of fuel vapor from ruptured tanks (and a partially full tank of petrol in a car is more dangerous than one with a full tank ).
Even at home, we might say that “I dropped the dish or an egg and it exploded everywhere.” But a true home mechanical explosion would be that of a steam pressure cooker with a faulty gauge blowing up, or an exploding jar of hot jam during canning – a BLEVE because of the steam pressures. Dropping an egg is an example of impact in mechanical physics.
Instead, in technical terms of mechanical physics we are dealing with collision and impact, impact being different in physics than an explosion because of the element of kinetic energy of mass and velocity.
In mechanics, an impact is a high force or shock applied over a short time period when two or more bodies collide. Such a force or acceleration usually has a greater effect than a lower force applied over a proportionally longer time period of time. The effect depends critically on the relative velocity of the bodies to one another.
At normal speeds, during a perfectly inelastic collision, an object struck by a projectile will deform, and this deformation will absorb most, or even all, of the force of the collision.
Viewed from the conservation of energy perspective, the kinetic energy of the projectile is changed into heat and sound energy, as a result of the deformations and vibrations induced in the struck object.
These deformations and vibrations can not occur instantaneously. A high-velocity collision (an impact) does not provide sufficient time for these deformations and vibrations to occur. Thus, the struck material behaves as if it were more brittle than it is, and the majority of the applied force goes into fracturing the material.
Hence the neatly broken-off trees, and even the clean-cut razor effect through the twigs and thin branches of some of the trees. A lawn mower works on the same principles to cut grass.
If the object is moving at a velocity much smaller than the speed of light, the Newtonian (classical) mechanics is quite utilitarian: the kinetic energy of an object of mass m traveling at a speed v is (1/2) mv^2.
Collisions in billiards are effectively elastic collisions, where (by definition) kinetic energy is preserved, the kinetic energy is transferred to the second billiard ball being struck by the first.
In inelastic collisions, kinetic energy is dissipated as: heat, sound, binding energy (breaking bound structures – shattering and fracturing), or other kinds of energy.
Road traffic accidents usually involve impact loading, such as when a car hits a traffic bollard, water hydrant or tree, the damage being localized to the impact zone. When vehicles collide, the damage is proportionate to the relative velocity of the vehicles, the damage increasing as the square of the velocity since it is the impact kinetic energy (1/2) mv^2 which is the variable of importance.
The kinetic energy increases with the square of the speed. This means, for example, that an object traveling twice as fast will have four times as much kinetic energy. As a result of this, a car traveling twice as fast requires four times as much distance to stop (assuming a constant braking force.)
For purposes of my particular scenario Jgalindes (and to you, am certainly preaching to the choir), I am simply sticking to my figures for illustration only (by no means are they official or even expert), please double check them or recalculate as necessary per official figures as you wish. The idea is to convey some kind of sense of real proportion to this catastrophe.
My subjective preference is because I believe that the captain was attempting to ascend faster than the angle of the slope was rising in front of him in effort to clear the trees. He could see the big ones, but not the skinny ones.
It will take the experts a lot of time (months?) to compare and cross-reference all of the various data and related incident systems to give a complete final picture of those few seconds.
Somewhere in my head a figure sticks that minimum thrust to gain height is calculated at a 10 m/s rise, or something similar. Even the graphic on that one site tends to indicate he was trying to go up.
He almost made it except for the third collision with the tree that sliced through the left wing as he was still fighting for equilibrium from the first collisions about .62 miles out.
Regaining the right wing, the left one dipped, and on the third collision the tree sliced through the wing. How is this possible? It is possible to thinly slice a regular layer of a cake into thinner layers with a taut thread. My granny did it all of the time.
A big part of the press garble is that especially here in America we are habituated to measurements in feet, whereas elsewhere measurements are in meters. Say “24 meters” the common interpretation is “24 feet.” (I’m still not sure if the first tree struck was 24 feet or 24 meters tall or what.)
When earthlings hear the plane crashed into a 24 m (or foot) tree, the tendency is to think of the fuselage doing so, kind of like a car, and not think of one wing out of the overall wingspan of 135 ft which is still about 55 ft long with the square area of an average house. That is still the “plane crashed into the tree” because the wing is part of the plane, but the fuselage itself may be more elevated depending on the angle.
Anyway, these are the approximate figures I’m resorting to (and I hope my formulas are correct. I’m no physicist. Been awhile, but at least, dear Jgalindes, as an engineer you may see what I am getting at):
v = 150m/s
m = 160,000 lbs (Empty weight – (55,300 kg/122,000 lbs) + (Payload – (16,329 kg/35,999 lbs))
v^2 = (150)^2 = 22500
EK = (1/2)(71629kg)(22500) = 805,826,250 J on impact.
And then, of course is the depth of ground penetration into the mud while inverted (low impact which would keep the force and subsequent shattering and breaking of bonds even more concentrated than a high impact onto a hard surface because of the force which would distribute the debris in a way similar to the crash involving the firebomber, etc.)
By comparison, a 4,000 lb/1814 kg vehicle traveling 60 mph (88 ft/26.8m/s) collides with a fixed object:
v = 26.8
m = 1814 kg
v^2 = 26.8^2 = 718.24
EK = (1/2)(1814)(718) = 651,226 J
No. 101 cracked on impact. The captain was a master and he fought to save all of their lives to the very end.
Inverted, she impacted partially deep into the mud (at least one turbine was completely buried) mostly on her dorsal side and the passenger compartment having rolled almost 180 deg. from losing about 1/3 to ½ of her left wing. So the collision was partially inelastic, and partially elastic – 806 million J of heat, sound, binding energy (breaking bond structures of the plane, its equipment and the humans on board) in that collision.
Some witnesses said it was a strange sounding crash – a big “whump,” no explosion. Others said they heard no engines. No engine sound probably means that as No. 101 was rolling and cutting through the trees, she sucked up tree debris into her engines which killed the turbines. The investigators are certainly examining this aspect as well.
See this for what a small amount of organic matter can do to a jet engine and very quickly (this one turned out fine in the end.): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZEF6v6yLVg&feature=related
The passengers of No. 101 were upside down at impact and subject to great impact compression and torsion. Each cracked section of the aircraft still weighed tons, combined with impact kinetic force, and the disintegration of the metal parts of the plane.
Moreover, since the aircraft was inverted, she came down with the baggage, fuel tank and electrical cabling compartments on topside, which sparked those fires.
It is highly dubious that Ms. Burgermeister’s claim elsewhere “that the FSB just reached in and grabbed the black boxes” in the first few minutes can stand these tests of mechanical and chemical physics. (Her “science” background is failing miserably.)
In terms of bio-mechanics, It takes 30 psi to break a knee, 4 ½ psi to break the tarsal bones of the upper foot, 8 psi to break a jaw, there are 22 bones (cranial and facial) in the human skull, 8 cervical bones in the human neck, altogether 206 bones in the adult human skeleton all subject to having their bond structures shatter and come apart on impact, along with seating, flooring, and shredding metal of the fuselage.
Where are the bodies? Underneath the debris, or else following the laws of impact physical mechanics and kinetic energy. There would be comparatively few intact bodies depending on each section’s dynamics, with mostly fragmented remains underneath the debris partially buried in the mud, or else jettisoned along with the rest of the surface crash debris.
There are no Hollyweird special effects to this, this was not a comparatively tidy belly-crash, or airplane runs off end of runway type of collision that looks something like an earthling vehicle crash.
This is what people are conditioned from TV and disaster movies to keep looking for. I became disgusted with the “9-11 No-Plane truthers” years ago because of this asininity. Over 400 witnesses, half of whom were not related to the government, military, or press, saw Fl-77 impact the Pentagon.
KathJuliane,
Wow! Congratulations!
That’s certainly very extensive work on your part. It seems to me that you are truly determined to discredit the work of Jane B, Lynda and the credibility of Polish pilots.
May I ask, who’s payroll are you on?
As someone who is following the background and developments of the TU 154 April 2010 crash very closely, it is of great interest that only one English language website is running with it. And that is the Jane Burgermeister website.
It is good to see that the effort to discredit Jane’s activism and website has been noted by our Polish correspondent, Halima. This is not to say that inaccuracies that she may be reporting should not be discovered and noted.
As someone who has to make do with Bing translations from Ukranian and Polish websites I think she is doing an amazing job. But what is really of interest is that she is the only one who is publishing on the developments in Poland that are ongoing as a result of the crash.
The evidences for truth in the emerging narrative will be in many areas – avionics will be of great interest but this is only one base that has to be covered.
Even if it were to be proved that the crash was the result of pilot error, that is not going to settle this matter. I am sure instrumentation can be messed with (excuse my lack of expertise in terminology) to arrange for ‘pilot error’.
The questions that are being raised in Poland and communicated to us in the West via Polskaweb and other sites are the relevant questions and they will not be buried under technical detail – whether accurate or not.
God bless you Halima. I am writing from Australia and I commend you for your contributions here. I do not wish to mislead anyone. I want to see which reports link up and which not.
I think if more people in the West, even those who claim to be critical of the Jewish globalist agenda, grasped the import of this story, there would be a lot more websites than Jane Burgermeister’s following this.
Greetings in the Lord Jesus, Halina:
Firstly, did you happen to read Jgalindes post?
He posted a link and an important message from a Michael Zazula dated April 13, either a pilot or professional air traffic controller located in Warsaw Poland, from discussion forum called VATSIM – Virtual Air Traffic Simulation.
Mr. Zazula wrote:
“Worldwide media are quoting a recording, made public by Russian aviation enthusiast page, which is presented as “one of the last conversation of the crew of the Polish TU-154 with Russian ATC”. This recording should be a proof that the pilot strictly demanded the landing, despite the poor weather.
This information is a lie. The recording was made several hours after the crash and it’s a Polish pilot, but completely different [aircraft]. It’s obvious for everyone who has any aviation knowledge, even limited.”…
Listening to Ms. Burgermeister’s recording, can certainly tell that the call sign of the aircraft is completely different from that of No. 101 in the radio transmission that Ms. Burgermiester claims is a recording from just before the Smolensk crash.
How can that be when it is a recording from several hours after the crash?
So the question is, if Ms. Burgermeister is a professional quality journalist, how is it that she is using this radio tape to substantiate her claims and speculations about anything, when the two planes are completely different?
All journalists are supposed to do what is called fact checking, and a little investigation.
In her most recent report, she calls the tail end of the aircraft the cockpit. This might be understandable from when the videos and pictures first came out to an untrained eye because of the way the plane crashed. It seemed to me at first as well.
Over two weeks later, however, it is inexcusable that she continue to keep generating this misinformation and adding to the confusion with her speculations.
Take it from someone in America that has watched the 9-11 Truth Movement completely fall apart because of disinformation and bad information, pursuing “conspiracy theories” for mega-profits and sensationalism instead of “conspiracy facts” for truth that are not grounded in reality.
If it is the tailend of the airplane Ms. Jane keeps calling the cockpit that is long identified as being what was seen in the videos, then how can she possibly hold up any of the rest of her theories?
How credible is she if this is all she does, propose and repeat gossip and innuendo as “facts?”
Things are serious enough over in Poland and in Russia without this stupidity on her part, to say the least. Not only does SHE, not me, discredit Polish pilots, she completely desecrates their memory and the sufferings of the victims’ families left behind, especially those who had to make the terrible journey to try to identify something, anything, of their loved ones.
Morning and evening I pray for all of their souls, and sometimes not without tears.
And certainly Mr. Zazula felt strongly enough about it that he posted a warning about it to other pilots and air traffic controllers around the world to attempt to stop this bad information.
No, I am on no one’s payroll. I did spend twenty years in emergency services and public safety, a profession that required a very high degree of precision and accuracy in critical situations.
And Ms. Burgermeister’s work last year helping to publicise the anti-vaccine movement activists who have been suppressed for decades was much appreciated by me personally.
I was one of the first children in the 50’s and 60’s to have to live most of my life with cancer from the contaminated polio vaccines.
Just do a little research on “Simian Virus-40.”
I spend most of my time as a semi-invalid. RZN family is part of my extended family that I love to spend time with.
If you don’t wish to take my word for things, then don’t. However, I believe perhaps you should pay some attention to what your countryman, Mr. Zazula, has to say, and weigh it out for yourself.
May our Lord Jesus Christ bless you and reward you.
Halina,
“It seems to me that you are truly determined to discredit the work of Jane B, Lynda and the credibility of Polish pilots.”
I have to tell you that you’re way out of line there!
KathJuliane is ‘truly determined’ to get at the TRUTH – nothing more!
I know you’re new here – I’m not… So let me tell you that KathJuliane is one of the most sincere & honest God-fearing people you will EVER come across.
I feel for you and your fellow countrymen and I’m deeply sorry for what has transpired with regard to your nation…
But sometimes a plane crash – is just a plane crash!
Truth In Christ
This dialog took an interesting turn that “twisted” my nose slightly.
It is also very interesting to get to know some of you more.
I hope Brother Nathanael is paying a good attention….
My only intention was to make people more aware of the situation in my country and its unfortunate history that to some is just simply unacceptable.
God bless and goodbye.
On April 12, 2010, Jurnal.md published what was purported to be the audio of the Polish pilots’ conversation with the control tower at Smolensk of April 10, 2010. They would not say how they got it, they would not vouch for its authencity. (And they are still mum). They just published the audio and a transcript of the conversation in Russian and an English translation.
Immediately, it went viral. Because at Fragment nr.1; length – 16 seconds, we hear the Polish pilot, Arkadiusz Protasiuk, speaking in Russian with a distinct Polish accent. According to the English translation from Russian supplied by Jurnal.md, he says to the Control Tower at Smolensk: “21 metres. Just landing. Four people.”
http://www.jurnal.md/en/news/audio-tu-154-pilots-conversations-184454/
Immediately the kind of objections with which we are now very familiar on RZN mobilized.
The pundits raged and the dysinfos spun the webs. The transcript could not be authentic it was most frequently alleged because the conversation was in Russian. And this violated flight rules and international protocols which mandate that English is the international communication language for pilots and control towers.
Therefore the audio could not be authentic.
And it was objected that the audio could not be authentic because the Polish pilots did not speak Russian.
Obviously an amateur job of Russians trying to frame the Poles.
Obviusly an amateur job of Poles trying to make the Russians look bad.
And so on.
Now Russia Today reports that the final exchange between the Polish president’s plane and ground control was WAIT FOR IT ladies and gentlement: in Russian.
“TU 154 Recording Reveals Break in Communication Protocol”
http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-04-12/polish-plane-recording-russian.html?fullstory.
And fellow pilot of the government TU 154s Tomasz Pietrazak has told Poland’s TVN24 that Arkadiusz Protasiuk spoke Russian very well – albeit with a Polish accent.
That is the voice we hear on the audio – the pilot is speaking in Russian with a polish accent.
These now established facts lend credence to the authenticity of the mysterious Audio of the TU-154 pilots’ conversations posted April 12, 2010.
And that in turn lends credence to the Polish pilot’s communication that only four people were aboard his plane.
It was Jane Burgermeister who first reported that there was some evidence to suggest (suggest mind) that only four people were on board the crashed TU 154 – a story that all the boffins and talking heads worked overtime to discredit.
Well this report does not look so discredited now that the Polish Chief Prosecutor, Andzej Seremet states for the record that the flight recordings reveal the final conversation between pilot Arkadiusz Protasiuk and the Smolensk control tower were in Russian.
And with the release of the flight recordings, the Poles are rejecting the Russian finding of pilot error as the cause of the crash.
But here is the factoid that really interests me. As emerging facts begin to corroborate the ‘only four people on TU 154’ wingnut theory that has been ridiculed to scorn – everyone has dropped it like a hot potato. Except of course for Jane Burgermeister who mentioned this in her initial reports, even though it was ‘out there’.
“Only four people on doomed plane suggests pilots communication”. April 29, 2010
http://birdflu666.wordpress.com.
The rabbit hole goes very deep with these black operations. Very, very few people really want to know the truth.
Dear KathJuliane,
I believe your overall simplifying parameters are sound and translates into acceptable figures of the energy converted during the brief interval of a crash.
I’ll conservatively maintain a touch down speed at appr. 72m/s (1,3 times stall speed)
and a mass of 88000 kg (remember that the aircraft still surely carried almost half its fuel load).
So your Newtonian formulae (first principles) will give app 230MJ. You may get a better feeling converting it to power units considering a time of say 1 second…230 MW (Megawatt). Still an enormous amount of concentrated power.
Halina:
I’m very interested in knowing the truth, just sticking to the technical details will presumably carry us to the facts surrounding this tragedy.
Most of the European peoples suffered untold agony during the last century, including Polish and Russian citizens.
The Russian during the long darkness of Communism, the Poles, a war with a bitter victory…
I’m very disappointed with Jane Burgermeister.
One thing that caught my eye – was the fact that Putin censured some of the Jew created AmeriKan filth that pollutes us and the world.
South Park has aired some of the most blasphempous and filthy Jew produced slime immaginable.
If you watch it only a couple of times you might miss the TRUE FILTHY JEW menatlity that it represents. The mockery of Christ is BRUTAL! ALL of this ‘cartoon’ crap on the Jew tube today is Jew created.
I remember when cartoons were for the innocent amusement of children – often with a moral to the story. NOT ANY MORE! They are to infect our youth and morons who are chronologically adult – with putrid Jew filth – presented in such a way that it is ‘acceptable’ – even to stupid parents.
Remember when we had ‘famiy’ sit-coms where the people were actually portrayed as decent normal respectful and wholesome ? Not any more.
I used to enjoy King of the Hill – but then I noticed some VERY VERY shallow & less than desirable traits being presented as ‘the AmeriKan way’. Then I discovered that this seemingly innocent series was also under the aegis of the Jew filth – ‘ADULT SWIM NETWORK’.
A spoiled insolent obese greedy selfish constantly lying and often larcenous son. A bigot hypocrite father with the intellect of an oyster – and the red-neck ‘values’ of a – well- REDNECK!
In one episode he totally sacrifices ALL family values and personal values in view of NFL Stupid Bowl (which is the prime reason for his existence) nonsense. I almost quit watching after that disgusting episode.
His neighbors are even WORSE! Bill is a fat slob beer guzzling illiterate veteran who is even more dense that Frank. A cowardly paranoid schizophrenic whose loyalties and values change by the hour, and a mumbling incomprehensible burned-out love-child who is probably the most normal and moral and sensible of the bunch.
NOT what I want foreigners to assume are normal everyday Americans – and especially NOT what I want my children and grandchildren to identify with as normal decent responsible informed neighbors we should be proud of.
The Simpsons – another dysfunctional AmeriKan family. American Dad – barf puke gag! There is NOTHING ‘American’ about these sick perverted creepy creations. How about ‘The JEWSONS’ – complete with disgusting Jew accents and Jew this and Jew that and ultra exaggerated SICK SICK dysfunctionality.
Look at the non-animated family shows. Note that the common thread is DYSFUNCTIONAL. It is ALL Jew produced, and supposed to be funny to us stupid goy. Problem is – it is all TOO REAL! Thanks to crap like this – we ARE becomming a dysfunctional NATION of DYSFUNCTIONAL families.
It is a disgrace and a shame that leaders of foreign nations must take actions to protect the moral structure of their own people from obvious sludge like our Jew Tube – yet WE – stupid bovine irresponsible idiots just sit back and allow the poisons to seep into our livingrooms and minds of our children.
When I was a child – we had NO teen suicides – we had NO teen drug problems -we had no teen pregnancies – we had no teen ‘homosexual problems’ – we had no teen school massacres – we had no teen school drop-outs – we had no teens with imaginary disorders forced to take psychotropic drugs – just for openers.
DO YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE WE HAD NO JEW TV!
GET IT YET?
ALL TV shows were fit to be watched by ALL ages – from grandma to her grandchidren. Those of you who grew-up in the 40s and 50s know of the TRUTH of what I say.
I’m sure that if so much as one moral responsible law maker or prominent figure even suggested these insulting morally destructive Kike Komedies be sent to the ‘delete file’ to preserve and protect what little is left of our children’s morals – the Jew ADL and the Jew ACLU would howl foul – censorship – Nazism – anti-Semitism and the ususal Jew mantras/cliches.
BRAVO Mr.Putin! TWO thumbs up!
As an American it hurts me to say this – BUT -The dismal ULTRA-TREASONOUS sock-puppet scum we have in the Jew owned ‘Whore House’ today isn’t fit to shine your shoes, sir!
And as for the Lady who declares that “SHE LOVES AMERICA” ARE YOU SHITTING ME??!! Have you not learned ANYTHING this man has written for the past YEARS? ARE YOU DEAF – are you BLIND?
I lov-ED a country I remember and risked my life for – called the United States Of America. I got a news flash for you lady.
THAT COUNTRY DOES NOT EXIST ANY MORE – BUT – it COULD be brought back. I have dedicated MOST of my LIFE to that task – so I can once again HAVE a country that is worthy of my ‘LOVE’ and the freedoms and blessings that I and better men than I secured for us all.
We presently have a morally rotted corpse – an occupied filthy heap of ashes for what WAS our beloved nation. We sold her into bondage. Love of a corpse in not natural and it has a clinical name – NECROPHILIA.
Name ONE quality about the government OR the greedy cowardly sheeple here today that ANYBODY with half a brain can honestly say they ‘LOVE’ -present tense LOVE! LOVE is a strong word that sincere responsible educated people do NOT use flippantly.
Love the natural beauty maybe? Sure – but that isn’t what anybody I have EVER know refers to when they say I LOVE MY COUNTRY – UNLESS you LOVE:
EVIL – greed – cowardice – filth – lies – death destruction – torture – blasphemy – murderers – theives – perverts – hypocrisy – desception – near universal Mockery of Christ and our once strong Christian tradition – AND a level of self- infilcted stupidity that has now become the principle trait of the most hated people on earth.
NOW get off your stingy butts and send this brave man’s site some REAL support – TODAY! We have a job to do. The most important job of your life – to resurect this corpse from the graveyard and ashheap of history. It CAN be done! It MUST be done!
Joe Cortina – go here and learn MORE TRUTHS:
http://mynameisjoecortina.wordpress.com
Dear Joe,
The reason why you were able to grow up in an America that had movies which were at least reflective of Christian values and the malignant power of Hollyjood was kept at bay was because in 1933 the Apolstolic delegate Archbishop Cicognani warned America about the power of the motion picture industry and the media “to massacre the innocence of youth.”
In response to the Archbishop’s demand, the National Legion of Decency was formed by the Roman Catholic Church of America – which we know if we are a regular on RZN is frequently referred to as ‘not a church’ or the papists etc on this messageboard.
Just to put a fine point on who and what intended to be opppositional to the Big Jew agenda for Hollyjood, the organisation was renamed the Catholic Legion of Decency in 1934. And they wielded enormous power in the courts, in Congress, in the press, in the dioceses to keep objectionalbe content out of the cinema and to censor the media in favour of Christian values.
In 1952, the Catholic Legion of Decency was defeated in a major court battle with Jew money that went all the way to the Supreme Court. Joseph Burstein Inc v Wilson 343 US 495 was a victory against censorship. The motion picture called The Miracle featuring a lustful St Joseph who raped a young schizophrenic peasant girl was upheld for the American cinema.
Against the Catholic Legion of Decency, the US Supreme Court upheld a motion picture that blasphemes the conception of our Lord by the Holy Spirit, the virginity of our Lady, the Blessed Virgin Mother of God, and the chastity of St Joseph, the Patron of Christ’s universal Church. And it featured a rape scene.
If this mortally sinful filth is going to be upheld by the highest Court in the land, then no line can be drawn with regard to censorship.
The House of UnAmerican Activities put the broom through the Hollyjood in the fifties but it has all been downhill from there.
America did not just happen to get into its demoralized present state. Every step of the long defeat has been contested.
As I do not watch any television or attend any film I wouldn’t know how bad it is.
I have been harassed and stalked by Criminal Zionist Jews since 1983 when at the University of Cincinnati Law School, until the present day.
There currently is no more United States of America. The Criminal Jews run everything, although they have indeed set in place a non-Jewish bureaucratic class to serve them.
I was an honest lawyer and they destroyed me as such when they found they could not control me. I will not be silenced.
My choice is Ron Paul for U.S. President in 2012, for the return of a free and Christian America!
Crazy as it sounds Brother Nathanael, your piece makes moving to Russia sound tempting to me!
I can remember over 20 years ago when I would have said just the opposite.
It’s like America is turning into the USSR and Russia is turning into what America once was. Every dog has its day I suppose.
Let’s pray Obama and the Zionist Jewish world empire crumbles soon like the feta cheese in a Greek salad!
Polish news sources continue to report the death of the videographer Andrij.
Andrij’s video “Smolensk strzaly po Katastrofie” was posted on many websites including Jane Burgermeister’s website. It records the shots fired at the scene of the TU 154 crash April 10, 2010. And was immediately discounted by those who would suppress this story.
What can not be discounted is the Polish report “Dwie czarne skryzynke juz rozszyfrowane” which even with a Bing translator clearly states that Andrij, the author of the above video, was stabbed near Krijow on April 15, 2010. On April 16, 3 unidentified individuals stabbed him again in hospital and unplugged his life support. The Russian press agency is calling this ‘a coincidence’.
http://fakty.interia.pl/raport/lech-kaczynski-nie-zyje/news/dwie-czarne-skrzynki-juz-rozszyfrowane/komentarze,1467054,1,29891999
Yup. Another coincidence.
Meanwhile, back at the cover-up, Jane Burgermeister continues to follow the money. She reports on May 1, 2010 that “Goldman Sachs banker sacked by Kaczynski is to head the new Warsaw office.” Gee. Who could have predicted that?
http://birdflu666.wordpresscom.
The bankster in question is on Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz. The patronymic suffix wicz is a common suffix in Jewish names.
It seems that Kazimerz was Kaczynski’s PM in 2005, but Kaczynski sacked him. Kazimerz landed on his feet and jetted off to work for Goldman Sachs in London.
It will be interesting to learn in due course why Lech Kaczynski sacked him. Kaczynski worked out he was a Goldman Sachs mole is what I would say. But probably, it was because those evil Polish anti-Semites discriminated against him.
Now that the way is clear for the Civic Platform government of Donald Tusk to sell off Polish assets, the banksters: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup are circling and landing. And the first to land is Kazimerz.
Exactly the same Kabal that now disfigures the Moscow skyline.
But, of course if you want to entertain the idea that the Russian government collaborated with the Tusk government to remove that specific and oppositional group of people who were blocking the ownership of Poland by the Western Jew Money Trusts – then put on your wingnut tee shirt. You are a dysinfo agent and a conspiracy theorist.
If you follow the politics of the global Communist convergence, however, what you are looking at is the shaping up of perestroika.
As Comrade Stalin said: ‘if you want to make an omlette, you have to crack some eggs.’
Halina,
Below is an article that may be of some interest to you, especially the link at the end.
KATYN 2. Polish general criticizes PM Tusk for submitting to Kaczynski’s murderers
According to reports from Warsaw, Polish prime minister, a friend of Putin, Donald Tusk (a cartoon from the Polish press: bloody murderer of 96 Poles Putin embraces Tusk) has been criticized by a high-ranking general on Polish TV for his role in the plane crash in Smolensk that killed the Polish President and a swathe of the military and civilian elite.
General Gromosław Czempiński expressed incomprehension over the event on Polish TVN24, saying the prime minister’s office must bear the responsibility for the “tragic flight”.
Czempinski also criticized the fact that investigators had taken so long to determine the time of the crash as 8.41 am CET, 15 minutes earlier than in the official version.
Tusk’s defense minister Bogdan Klich has so far been the target of criticism over the botched investigation with calls for his resignation.
But Czempinski’s remarks could increase the pressure on Tusk. Tusk is also widely seen as doing far too little to uncover the causes of the plane crash that killed many of his political opponents.
The failure of Tusk to conduct a proper investigation into the biggest tragedy to befall Poland in years is surely a reason for him to resign.
Given the evidence that the deaths of so many of his political opponents was not an accident, Tusk should have made an extra effort to investigate.
How much credibility does he now have? Aren’t new elections required immediately? – ask international observers in Warsaw.
Meanwhile, independent investigation into the murder of Kaczynski and representatives of the Polish elite is going on.
Evidence emerge that Russian murderers could have substituted the corpses of Poles they brutally killed.
According to Polish bloggers, relatives of Poles, who were killed in what is suspected to be a terrorist attack conducted by the Russian gang of the FSB, doubt that unidentifiable body pieces, which were returned to them by the Russians, really belong to Poles.
The Russians returning bodies of Poles survived in the crash, including the pilots, could not risk that the Poles discover bullet holes. Therefore, the KGB could have taken from a Moscow morgue dead bodies of Russians and make them unidentifiable, assume relatives of the victims of Katyn 2 on the Polish Internet forums.
It is to be mentioned that on the day of the crash of the Kaczynski’s plane, news leaked saying that the motorcade of the Russian Emergency Situations Minister Shoigu was involved in a road accident in Smolensk, killing 20 people (!). This information was later dropped against the background of the much greater interest in the death of Mr Kaczynski.
Meanwhile, the whole Poland is terrified by criminal activities of the Russians, who secretly took the corpses of the Poles they killed from Smolensk to Moscow, and allowed neither Polish investigators, nor relatives to examine them.
For example, Margaret, a daughter of Zbigniew Wassermann killed in the plane, said:
“I do not know whether an autopsy has been made for my father as I do not know the cause of his death. Our family will fight for the truth. We have nothing to lose already.”
Polish commentators also noted that the acting Polish president Bronislaw Komorowski is a member of Zionist mafia (a secret Masonic lodge) and give a link to a website, which reports it.
http://marucha.wordpress.com/2010/04/29/bliski-wspolpracownik-bronislawa-komorowskiego-kieruje-zydowska-loza/
Dear Lynda and Father Joseph,
From Bishop Williamson:
EMBATTLED SISTERS.
Two teaching Sisters from the same girls’ school wrote to me recently, one daunted, the other hopeful.
No doubt Sister Daunted is also hopeful, while Sister Hopeful is also daunted, because Catholics must close their eyes in order not to be daunted by the soft apostasy creeping up on us all, while at the same time they have to be losing their Faith if they are losing the Hope that goes with it.
Sister Daunted writes, “The world’s grip on our girls is tight.” Absent from her own country for three years, when she came back she found, “The change in mentality of our girls is noticeable. We struggle to maintain principles and morality.”
Mark you, this school is surrounded and supported by Catholic parents holding to Tradition, it has a constantly rising enrollment, and many parents make serious sacrifices to ensure that their girls are taught there. Yet here is a Sister telling us from the inside of a “mentality” problem also rising.
This is because our entire Western society is falling away from God, and because man, as Aristotle said, is a social and not just an individual or familial animal.
Therefore a boy or girl can have good parents, a good family, even a good school, but if the society outside home and school does not share the Catholic values striven for inside, then the boys and girls, especially from adolescence, will sense its anti-Catholic thrust, and will come under more or less severe pressure to “go with the flow.”
Today that pressure is severe, to the point of daunting the good Sister, because any true educator today feels like someone standing on a sea-shore and trying to stop the tide from coming in. But at least Sister has her eyes open and is not deceiving herself that the girls’ schooling solves all their problems, as parents can be tempted to think.
However, no doubt she shares also the relative optimism of Sister Hopeful, who writes to me that when the girls put on a theatrical performance at school, people coming from the world “are amazed that the girls can memorize lines and lines, and also that the rest of the schoolchildren in the audience are listening and watching, and not playing with their cell-phones.” She goes on,
“When you hear comments like that, you realize what we do somehow manage to achieve, and you can be grateful for it.”
In brief, as St Joan of Arc said, it is for us to give battle and for God to give the victory. Providence deals us all a certain hand of cards which we may not always like, but it is up to us to play it as best we can.
I am reminded also of Evelyn Waugh’s dauntless answer to a woman who complained of his being so nasty despite his being a Catholic.
“Madam”, he replied, “You have no idea how much nastier I would be if I was not Catholic. Without supernatural aid I would hardly be a human being.”
A mass-circulation Slovenian magazine Mladina published an article about one more alleged bloody crime of Russians with regard to the video in which the shooting of Polish pilots by Russian terrorists from the Putin’s gang of NKVD-KGB-FSB, as in Katyn – 1, has been recorded.
According to the latest information from the Russians, which could be mistrusted, they managed to “identify” with DNA tests the mash, into which they turned the corpses of pilots after the shooting, in order to hide bullet holes in the bodies.
It is to be mentioned that the cockpit fell separately from the passengers pod. Perhaps that was the reason why the pilots survived. The Slovenian magazine in an article entitled “Second Katyn Massacre” writes:
“Former leader of “Solidarity” and former president of Poland Mr Lech Walesa was the first to mention a possibility of Russian involvement in the matter as “Russia repeated” the Katyn massacre, which was aimed to exterminate the Polish political elite.”
Strangely, YouTube deleted the first video (dated 11th April – KC) on the issue, and the initial video was mysteriously shortened and cleansed.
There was information in Polish press that a journalist, Andrey Menderey, was stabbed many times to death, but later it was denied.
Anyway, the video recording is very interesting, as there is a man there running from the crash site of airplane, and they say that the record includes a man in white holding hands up.
Also there is the noise of sirens (may be to muffle the shooting – KC) and the sound of 4 shots. So far, no information is available about the pilots as no corpses have been found, however, they should have been in a cockpit, which was the least damaged part of the plane.
The words of the Georgian President Saakashvili in relation to matter are very interesting: he mentioned involvement of “some kind of incredible Evil” in the catastrophe.
Additional doubts are caused by the fact that the 25-year old Tupolev TU -154 has gone major repairs at the end of 2009 in southern Russia and recently returned back to Poland. It certainly strengthens doubts because time and place of the ceremony to take place in Katyn were known in advance.
A prestigious portal, Global Analysis, writes that “it’s absolutely incredible that the fatal accident, which happened to the Polish airplane TU-154 near Smolensk- North just before 11a.m., was has been an accidental crash.”
They claim that the airplane brushed tops of trees while trying to land on a 4th attempt in the mist, and crashed about a mile from the airport.
The list of the dead in the accident indicates that it may be considered that all sorts of problems, which were hard to handle by the Kremlin, were solved due to the “Second Katyn Massacre…”
Nevertheless, the majority of Russian media believe the official version. According to the English-language “Saint Petersburg Times”, the Poles are to be blamed for the crash because of continuous bad relations between two countries for decades.
Russia acknowledged the responsibility for massacre of 20,000 Polish army officers in the Katyn forest, which was carried out by Stalin’s NKVD in 1940. But Poland is yet strongly separated in opinions.
Polish prime minister Mr Donald Tusk held a joint ceremony with Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin. However, Polish President, who strongly mistrusted Russia, decided to commemorate the anniversary with a delegation of his own and even asked in public whether they would be able to obtain Russian visas for it.
The Global Analysis lists other strange facts. Observers on land heard an explosion in the air before the crash of the airplane. Contrary to official Russian news, that the airplane had to land in dense mist, observers testify that sky was blue and crystal clear.
Polish journalist Arkadius Mularchik was about 10 kilometers away from the crash site in the Katyn forest at the time of the accident as he was travelling by train. He confirmed to the newspaper Guardian that the sky was “clean and clear” and he asked “why they didn’t let them land”.
According to some news, the pilot had difficulties in determining speed and height, however, experts say that the airplane couldn’t have hit the trees as it is claimed in the official report, because the trees are lower than the level of airport, writes the Slovenian magazine Mladina.
Putin and the Jew
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t666786-2/
Dear Juan,
I concur with the good Catholic teaching Sisters’ observations, assessments and conclusions.
We, as human beings, are much like ‘seeds’ of all sorts and types. Some of are TO BECOME ‘trees’, some of us are TO BECOME ‘flowers’, others are TO BECOME ‘edible vegetables’, etc.
ALL OF US are “To Become” this magniciently radiant and fully alive Human BEING.
And the One Who speaks of Himself as ‘I AM’ created us ALL, grants us ALL life, and ALL OF US are called “TO BECOME” so as in order to eternally ‘TO BE’ with He Who Is ‘I AM’.
Just as one can RUIN or STIFLE the sprouting, growth and final blossoming of any sort of plant life’s integral/internal POTENTIAL, SATAN, his elemental demonic spirits and his phalanx of incarnate spirits who share our human nature and who’ve “sold their souls” to Satan in order to indulge themselves in their own ‘Mythical Fantasies’ conjured up in their minds and hearts via the immorality of the human vices —
Are out TO RUIN the spiritual Harvest our All-good God, Creator and Father in Heaven longingly desires and expects from us CREATED ‘human seeds’ He has “deposited” ALL OVER this planet earth and its contemporary World.
Yes, St. Joan of Arc was right. We are thus “thrown into battle” and we “fight” with the weapons, tactics and supplies that are ours at hand.
And in the decades of my own personal spiritual warfare vs. Satan and his elementals – and yes! people the world over MUST UNDERSTAND that Satan and his demonic legions really and truly DO EXIST much like UNSEEN MICROWAVES exist, much like UNSEEN RADIO WAVES exist, much like UNSEEN MICROBES truly exist – the ONLY WAY our Human Race of INCARANTE spirits, males and females, boys and girls, adult men and women is going TO WIN is by seeing to it that Satan’s HEAD GETS CRUSHED!
There is NO OTHER WAY – there is NO OTHER WAY.
The Divine Desire and the human necessity of seeing to it that SATAN’S HEAD GETS CRUSHED is the Very First ‘Bible Prophecy’ right there, right in front of PASTOR JOHN HAGEE’S, ORAL ROBERT’S, JIMMY SWAGGART’S, PAT ROBERTSON’S, etc’s noses in “their” Bibles – right there in GENESIS 3:15.
And that Biblical Prophecy does NOT come out of the mind or mouth of any human being – that Biblical Prophecy comes straight out of the Mind and Mouth of Almighty God Himself Who just so happens to be the CREATOR of all that is seen and Unseen.
I bang my head against a ‘brick wall’ over and over and over again here on RZN and other places as well – that the Church and our Human Race will NOT and will NEVER defeat Satan, his demonic legions and ALL OF THESE Satanic ‘New World Order – One World Government – Malthusian Depopulation Types’ who HAVE “sold the souls into Satan’s service” —
UNLESS the Church, leading all of Mankind from all the nations of our World, perform that PUBLIC and SOLEMN religious Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Immaculately Loving Heart of THE WOMAN of Genesis 3:15!
– Fr. Joseph
We all know by now that Khazars own and rule most of the important countries.
So what really could be done to change this?
Russians prayed for millenia and became victims of their own Orthodox values: timidity, non-resistance, hope, politeness.
Khazars have in their genes all traits of most aggressive and cruel animals.
Unless humans remove that genetic mass from expanding any further there is no future for goyim.
Fr. Joseph,
Don’t try to bang it to hard or you’ll smash your skull open.
More stupid and flaky misinformation reporting from Jane Burgermeister, (lit. “master of the people or burg) who thinks she’s a federal prosecutor who can file criminal charges, instead of a complaint like the rest of us) and thefluecase.com:
http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3277%3Apresidents-plane-caught-fire-shortly-after-take-off-&catid=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en
“Footage of the Tupolev plane bringing the Polish President and top government officials to Smolensk in Russia show the plane caught fire immediately after taking off in Warsaw on Saturday morning.” From:
http://www.globalnaswiadomosc.com/prezydentzginalnowe.htm
The reference link actually shows a snap from file footage of the highly documented LOT Polish Airlines Flight 5055, destined for New York, which crashed in the Kabaty Woods nature reserve on the outskirts of Warsaw on May 9, 1987, after its right engines caught on fire. The aircraft was an Ilyushin Il-62M (not a TU-154 !!!).
It was considered the biggest air disaster of Poland until this year and weighed heavily on the national psyche.
It was especially culturally significant at the time because of the beginning “thaw” in the Cold War between the US-NATO, Warsaw Pact and USSR, Solidarity Movement, etc.
This tragic trip was made by mostly Polish nationals and Polish Americans who were increasingly being allowed to travel to and from Communist Poland before the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact in 1991.
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w19870509.htm
Nevertheless, it is interesting that Ms. B. selected a snap from old news footage of the Kabaty Disaster as a sound-alike for “Kaytyn”, which would not be clearly distinguishable by ear to non-Polish speaking people on a youtube or other audio source.
Moreover, Ms. Bergurmouser, and other sources persists in calling this “Katyn 2” for emotional sensationalizing and political reasons, setting up a false connection, when in fact the official name is the Smolensk-North Disaster (or similar). Disasters and critical incidents are named for where they occur.
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The Jaroslaw and Lech Kaczynskis’ Law and Justice party came to power in 2005, after campaigning to cleanse Poland of its past.
One method was to expand the use of communist-era secret police files to expose former collaborators still in influential positions.
http://www.ipn.gov.pl/portal/en/1/2/Institute_of_National_Remembrance__Commission_for_the_Prosecution_of_Crimes_agai.html
Origin
The Institute of National Remembrance – Commission for the Prosecution of Crimes against the Polish Nation (IPN) was established by the Polish Parliament on December 18, 1998 with a special bill. The Institute is headed by the President whose post is independent of the state authorities. The President of the IPN is elected for a five-year term.
Prosecutors of the Institute’s investigation service conduct investigations into Communist, Nazi and other crimes against peace and humanity or war crimes, commited by Communist state officials, and by security bodies of the German Third Reich and the Union of Soviet socialist Republics on persons of Polish nationality or on Polish citizens of other nationalities between September 1, 1939 and July, 31 1990.
More than 900 investigations are pending into Communist crimes committed by Communist state officials, of which 200 concern repressions against the opposition and the Solidarity Trade Union activists in the 1980s. The Institute’s prosecutors are conducting an inquiry into the existence of a criminal association in the former Ministry of Internal Affairs, comprising 44 different leads.
The efforts of the Institute’s prosecutors have resulted in filing more than 240 charge sheets against about 400 persons, and closing thousands of proceedings with the final decisions refusing to start an investigation or closing an investigation. The prosecutors of the investigation service prepare and publish “Crimes of the Past”, an account of criminal law issues they have encountered in the course of their investigations.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/6932645/Poland-punishes-former-communist-leaders-by-cutting-pensions.html
Poland punishes former communist leaders by cutting pensions Poland’s last communist leader and thousands of former secret service agents have had their pensions cut as part of a campaign to punish those who imposed the authoritarian regime upon the country.
05 Jan 2010
From the start of the year, General Wojciech Jaruzelski will see his pension slashed following widespread anger in Poland that he and others involved in the suppression of dissidents and the democratic movement enjoyed lavish pensions.
The general, along with colleagues from the National Salvation Council, the body that crushed the Solidarity movement in 1981 through the imposition of martial law, have until now enjoyed pensions worth £1,833 a month. […]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/5077909/Lech-Walesa-threatens-to-leave-Poland-and-return-Nobel-peace-prize-over-spy-claims.html
(2009) Lech Walesa threatens to leave Poland and return Nobel peace prize over spy claims
Lech Walesa, the anti-communist leader who once championed the cause of Polish freedom, has threatened to quit Poland and return his Nobel peace prize after fresh allegations surfaced that he once collaborated with the country’s communist-era secret services. […]
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Interesting side note about the Kabaty Disaster:
The passengers were fully aware of the emergency of Flight 5055 which lasted for well over 20 mins; one of the passengers managed to write on the opening page of her copy of the New Testament: 9.05.1987 The plane’s damaged… God, what will happen now… Halina Domeracka, R.Tagore St., Warsaw…
And regarding the Smolensk Disaster as a yet unproven and conjectural “criminal conspiracy hypothesis” beyond that of an aviation accident, could there possibly be someone other than the “evil Russkis” closer to home who might have had the political motive and intent to benefit?
I am a Palestinian Orthodox Christian and I enjoyed reading this great article.
Putin is doing a great job in Christian Russia and everyone here verbally attacks him. Why?
It is sad and unfortunate to see the American people so gullible and brainwashed by the Zionists!
KathJuliane,
I am confident that when all the evidence is in, the TU 154 crash will be demonstrated to be an inside job. That is not proven. But I am confident that it will be.
Nationalist Poland has every reason to distrust Russia and every reason to suspect ‘Polish’ NWO (Communist) Jews and shabbas goys working for the realization of perestroika policies with their Russian counterparts.
All Jane Burgermeister has done is report a segment broadcast on Poland’s TVN 24 that has been posted on http://www.globalnaswiadomsc.com
Because of the Orthodox campaign on the RZN messageboard to routinely insult Polish nationals at the time of their tragedy – there won’t be any Polish readers who will log on and explain this televised segment that Jane Burgermeister has MERELY reported.
And why not get her name right, KathJuliane. ‘Bergurmouser’ is just snide.
I made an honest error in mistakenly writing ‘Trump’ for ‘Tusk’. I acknowledged that error – which was pointed out to me with typical orthowarp nastiness. I got the name wrong. I said so and corrected my text.
If you have some criticism to make of Jane Burgermeister’s reports, feel free to comment with evidences that prove the Polish broadcast to be in error.
Brother Nathanael,
With Linda’s permission I would like you to contact her on my behalf providing her with my email address.
I also live in Australia and would love to be able to contact Linda to thank her in person for her impressive and sympathetic comments about my country of birth and upbringing.
I will truly appreciate your assistance.
Kind regards and God Bless
Halina
Dear Halina –
I will contact Lynda by email and ask if I can give her email out to you. +bn
Dear Br Nathanael,
I thank your help with this.
My email is registered to a business. After Fredreich Toben of the Adelaide Institute did time (on ‘contempt of court’ charges), Australia has new hate crimes legislation that covers websites deemed to be hatesites. These links are being blocked by many business filters and IPs. For example, RZN links.
I will email you a personal email and hope that you can contact me that way.
Again, thank you for your patience and assistance with this.
First book about the murder of Kaczynski appeared on the net. YouTube helps FSB to conceal truth.
The first book (as a booklet at present) about the murder by the international terrorist organization of the FSB Russia of 96 representatives of the Polish elite on April 10 in the Katyn forest appeared on the Internet.
The book, entitled “Polish president murdered?”, has been written by Karl Stewart, who sent a letter to the editors of the Kavkaz Center. He writes:
“Hello. I’ve done some research into the plane crash of 10 April 2010 in Smolensk, Russia. If you wish to share the link or use the information, please feel free to do so. Stewart”
The booklet consists of 5 parts:
1. Possible facts about the Pilot, Airplane and Airport
2. Where’s the Polish Air Force 101 cockpit?
3. Witnesses
4. A special witness … the controversial video
5. Polish president murdered? (Questions I think we should be asking not only ourselves but everyone. Media sound bites that shape our understanding of the crash)
6. A personal reflection on the crash
The book has attracted our attention with a satellite map of scattered fragments of the plane with 4 zones:
Red – filmed by Andrey Menderey
Yellow – filmed by Slawomir Wisniewski
Blue – filmed by an unidentified person (video available)
Green – there is no video or photos for it, at least in open access. Naturally, Russians say that it was there that all the bodies have been found”
It is to be mentioned that recently the Polish agency, Polska Web News, reported that it has photographs of corpses at the crash site. However, the agency did not post these photos, perhaps, due to moral reasons.
The second thing we are interested in the book of Karl Stewart is the primary information about “the author of the controversial video”. Karl writes:
“It is said that Andrey Menderey / Andrei Mendierej (the name was given with the Polish spelling, “ie” is read as “e”, the first information about him appeared in Polish on Polish website – KC) was the name of the man who filmed what are believed to be the first images of the plane crash. Persons have claimed his username on YouTube was rastych.
The only information I’ve been able to find on Mendierej is that he may have been from Smolensk, and that he was supposedly seriously knifed by someone after the crash, hospitalized and then subsequently killed in his hospital bed.
Other than these statements, I have no knowledge of who the person that did the video was.
The YouTube account for rastych doesn’t exist. Some say it was immediately cancelled after the first videos were uploaded. It’s said several sources had downloaded the video before the account was closed, resulting in the fact that the video is still available today”.
It is to be mentioned that one of the participants at a recent international summit of social media resources Global Voices in Santiago (Chile) said that during the conference, a manager of the YouTube admitted that the portal is under constant pressure from Russia, which demands to remove videos undesirable for Russians from YouTube’s servers.
It is natural that Andrey Menderey, who probably used the nickname rastych before his murder by FSB agents, didn’t post the video to remove it a day later and to close his account. Consequently, in the light of their own admissions, the administration of YouTube did it, apparently, under the orders of the international terrorist organization of the FSB Russia.
Therefore, by concealing important evidence in the international terrorist act, Youtube, in fact, committed a criminal offense under international law and is a direct accomplice of the FSB terrorists.
Meanwhile, several films devoted to Andrey Menderey appeared on the net. One of them says that the Russian government called a “coincidence” the murder of Menderey in Kiev after he filmed the Second Katyn Massacre arranged by the orders of Putin and Medvedev.
Russian, Polsheviks’ (Russian servants in Poland) and German media outlets, who want to convince the public that the Polish pilot was worse qualified than the pilots of 9/11, has been ridiculed in another film. It also explained why Kaczynski was killed.
In another film, the authors demand to identify the killers of Menderey with video cameras installed in the hospital and exert death penalty on them.
In another film, an American girl tells about the video of Andrey Menderey and is indignant that the Russian government called his murder “a coincidence”.
The American girl, Sonya, from the anti-globalist women’s organization The Truther Girls, reports that she recently heard a lecture by Mr Brzezinski, a former security adviser of President Jimmy Carter, who said that Russia does not want to be in a “new world order” as it going to create its own World Russian Empire, and the Polish nationalist Lech Kaczynski was hindering Russians in their beastly plans.
The removal by the administration of YouTube of the film of Andrey Menderey is certainly also “a coincidence”. We do not know why the American police have no interest in the activities of YouTube, which directly supports Russian terrorism of the FSB gang.
Russian journalist: ”Murder of Poles is another crime of ruling KGB masters”
An opposition Moscow Web site, Forum.msk, located on a hostage outside Russia, published an article by a Russian journalist Dmitriy Vorobyevsky from the southern Russian town of Voronezh, which tells about a new massacre of the Poles staged by the KGB officers in the Katyn forest on April 10, 2010.
In an article, in which, without any reference to the KC, some materials of the Kavkaz Center were used, the author says:
Very soon – on 19 May – there will a fortieth day since the death of the Polish President Lech Kaczynski and nearly a hundred other passengers and crew members in the crashed plane at Smolensk…
It has already been established that it was pure lies that the plane had allegedly tried to land 4 times, contrary to the instructions of Russian air traffic controllers, to land in the fog at the military airfield, and that the commander of the Polish crew reportedly almost did not know the Russian language (which supposedly strongly complicated his communication with air traffic controllers), and many other initial claims of Russian TV channels and other official media.
And even the fog at the airport is far from being clarified. Judging by some testimonies, that fog disappeared somehow too quickly after that crash, and clouds were visible at a more or less normal height that seems to be incompatible with the natural fog…
But all these strange things still do not the even make a half of the general suspicious situation as compared to absolutely no comments from the official Russian media of the Menderej’s film, although the film has already been spreading on the Internet for more than a month, and about the history of the journalist Andrey Menderey himself, who was brutally murdered in Ukraine in mid-April because of his video, shot at crash site immediately after the catastrophe.
I give short quotations from two texts on this subject posted, which were on the Internet quite a long time ago. They tell you how you can understand the ongoing Polish official – almost secret – investigation into this tragedy.
“… The Attorney General of the Republic of Poland, Andrzej Seremet, acknowledged the authenticity of amateur video on the execution by Russian special forces of passengers of the airliner Tu-154, who survived on 10 April 2010 in the crash near Smolensk, described the preliminary results of the Polish investigations as unsatisfactory and demanded an immediate resignation of defense minister Bogdan Klich.
… Three moving figures, guns, a person jumping out of the plane, a laughing, and pilot’s voice calling for help are filmed in the video. It is not to exclude that among those killed by unidentified men was the president of Poland Lech Kaczynski.
… The author of the video is journalist Andrey Menderey. He was stabbed with a knife a few days after the video was posted on the Internet … ”
“…”Materials of investigation are unlikely to get procedural continuation. They will be classified. The government of Donald Tusk is now more than ever close to an understanding with Russians and does not want to interrupt the dialogue.
The expert version of the original Smolensk video footage fits in 2 minutes 50 seconds. The video was shot with a mobile phone. The timing is given according to latest version of the video. Comments by Polish experts have quotation marks and are written with half-fat caracters.
0.24 – shows three unidentified people, hiding behind trees on the right flank. “An emergency service?”
0.41 – the group moves to the center of the object. Two are dressed in dark blue or black uniforms, and one – in light orange, like rescuers. First remark: “Calm down!”
1.12 – a man in white appears from under the wreckage.
1.15 – “Did you see that? Man in the white raises his hand. Look again in the zoom and slow motion”. Maybe it was a pilot, suggest Polish experts.
1.33 – some shouts
1.37 – Dawajte gnata! (?) – Pol Give me the gun! (?). “Gnat” in the Russian military and special forces slang means, since the NKVD-SMERSH, rather seldom used small arms of machine-gun type. In Tsarist Russia the word “gnat” literally meant a “fuse”.
1.39 – very clearly in Russian: “Do not kill us!”
1.45 – a shot ¹ 1
1.49 – the operator says: “No f.cking way!”
1.50 – a man in black jumping out of the plane
2.06 – a shot ¹ 2
2.10 – an amicable laughter heard from the group fixated before
2.12 – the same man in black moving to the right flank
2.15 – a man in black falling down
2.20 – a change of plan under shouts of “Everyone come back! We’re leaving!”
2.21 – a shot ¹ 3
2.23 – a shot ¹ 4
2.25 – 2.36 – shown in detail the murder by Russian-speaking unidentified a victim ¹ 3. “It seems that he was shot in the stomach”.
2.44 – again “No f.cking way!” … ”
Having read the above passages, readers could probably guess about or explain another oddity that took place almost a month after the tragedy at Smolensk.
I mean a sudden refusal of the leaders of the US, Great Britain, France, Italy and several other Western states to come to Moscow for the celebration of a Russian holiday on May 9.
Obviously, having serious suspicions about the fact that a certain country is ruled not just by criminals, but by absolutely “frostbitten” maniacs, there would be not too many people wishing to travel to such a country for any celebration…
Certainly, in all this terrible Smolensk story, which has already been called the “Katyn 2”, it is too early to say anything with a 100% certainty, i.e. without any slightest doubts. However, no matter how it may seem incredible, any other version of what happened is, in my opinion, even more incredible.
How else can we explain the above mentioned video shootings in the murder of Polish speaking people against the background of airborne debris, which appeared on the Internet few days after the crash of the Polish presidential plane?
If these are “machinations” by the enemies of Russian authorities, then why is this regime (along with countless media outlets under its control) does not expose the “falsifiers” (on May 15, 2010, the KGB has already started the campaign in Russian media of “exposing feeble-minded lies in a fabricated film” – KC), why was it absolutely silent for more than a month about this video footage, apparently testifying in favor of an assumption that the Polish aircraft was destroyed intentionally and its survived passengers were finished off, so that there would no dangerous witnesses?
By the way, there are versions of this video in Internet, which are different in quality. It is possible that Russian authorities could have specially posted much worse versions removing some key episodes from them, which existed in the original film.
In Internet comments, I saw another assumption, “justifying” Russian authorities. They say that the authorities fabricated the film themselves and posted in on the Internet as “a video by Andrey Menderey” to attract all those who exposed their previous crimes like Moscow apartment bombings in 1999, terror acts in Moscow Nord-Ost theatre and the Beslan (brutal poisoning by the KGB with poisonous gas of peaceful theater-goers and burning hundreds of children with flame throwers – KC), a number of political assassinations, so that they swallow this bait and be discredited for all their previous exposures …
Readers can themselves estimate all the “soundness” of this “very clever” version. Altogether, it is turns out there is nothing else to choose from. Both of above-mentioned “alternative” assumptions (others are not available) – a “falsification” and a “bait” FSB film – are in my opinion, even more incredible than just recognition of another heinous crime of ruling KGB masters in Russia, whose criminal interests go increasingly beyond the Russian borders and who are increasingly rushing to establish a “new world order”…
Halina,
The first half of your message refers to an article from:
http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2010/05/16/12061.shtml
The Kavkaz Center (Caucasus Center) represent the interests of the Chechen separatists, so their opinion is highly suspicious.
According to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kavkaz_Center
“The Kavkaz Center caused a major controversy in September 2004 when the server it was being hosted on, located in Lithuania, was shut down by Lithuanian authorities on hate speech charges, after a letter from the Chechen rebel commander Shamil Basayev claiming responsibility for the Beslan school hostage crisis and a series of photos from the preparations for the attack were published on the site.”
http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/photo/op_base/
“On the other hand, David McDuff, an editor with Prague Watchdog, has written that the Kavkaz Center is “thought by some observers to be a disinformation centre run with the help of Russia’s special services.”
http://halldor2.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/versions-3/
All in all, I do prefer to stay tuned on the technical reasons for the aircraft crash itself.
Up to this point, I shall risk to say that Smolensk North was ill equiped to receive the Polish delegation, not having available a compatible all weather ILS, just an old landing radar, that can track aircraft altitude at the glideslope 2-3 km from the runaway.
They were navigating using worldwide satellite positioning systems and followed, during the final approach, two landing beacons (NDB) located 6Km (outer) and 1.1Km (inner) off runaway.
Smolensk flight director advised the Polish crew that they were flying too low on the “glissade” at 2 Km from the strip and recommended an alternate.
Why were they flying far from the correct glideslope?
Vasily Ershov, the most aclaimed TU-154 Russian pilot said that a possible error in the last turn (the fourth) before starting final approach could have been the origin of the disaster.
He argues that the aircraft initiated the maneuver at a much higher velocity (400-500 Km/h)and that the Polish crew operated against the Flight Manual when they tried to lower the aircraft speed during their travel down the glideslope, requiring enormous skills from the crew in managing the many variables found in these circumstances.
And the final result was a lower than normal vertical vector velocity very close the runaway.
The fog was an additional mortal ingredient to this unbelievable tragedy.
To me the airport should have been closed by the Russian authorities well in advance forbidding the plane landing given the operational constraints.
And the crew did not follow the international recommendations regarding their “minimums” and they tried to go to an alternate too late.
We must wait for the complete release of the flight recorders transcriptions by the MAK:
http://www.mak.ru/russian/info/news/main_frame.html
To be able to assert the definite and final truth.
Accomplices of Russian terrorists from FSB gang destroy evidence.
The Polish news agency Polska Web News reported new developments in the murder of the Polish President Lech Kaczynski and 95 other representatives of the Polish military and political elite by the Russian terrorist organization of the FSB Russia :
“Recently, Polish tourists and relatives of the victims found in Smolensk at the allegedly cleared site of the crash of the Tupolev plane with the Polish President on board wreckage of aircraft in the size of a jacket pocket, documents, wallets, remnants of clothes and even a board compass.
Later, Polish police seized all these things and arranged searches, even in the monastery Jasna Gora, after they got to know that a nun brought a small piece of the destroyed aircraft from Russia.
The military prosecutor’s office, which carries out “investigations” in complete silence and secrecy, applied to the Warsaw military court a few days ago for permission to destroy possible evidence. This inexplicable action has been explained with an absurd reason:
“There is a danger of an epidemic. The remnants of blood on these things etc. are a sources of risk for public safety”, the Polish agency reports.
The Polish agency also reported one amusing episode, related, although indirectly, to the second Katyn massacre, staged by Russians.
Leaflets with pictures of some SS officers sitting in car, are now being distributes in Poland. One SS man resembles the Polish prime minister Tusk. The leaflet says that it was his father, who served in the SS.
However, the father was only 9 years old during the war. According to the Polish agency, the leaflets are, most likely, distributed by a “Polshevik” and accomplice of Putin, Tusk, to show how far “supporters of conspiracy theories” can go.
It is to be mentioned that Russian terrorists and accomplices invent most absurd “conspiracy theories” themselves, then laugh at them in their articles in such newspapers (our Polish readers know what newspapers we are speaking about) in order to discredit the truth about their crimes in “one package”.
And below is a link to the Independent Polish News Paper presenting an interview with a relative of the Smolensk crash:
http://www.niezalezna.pl/article/show/id/34311
starting with:
“The Russians sent some clothing removed from the bodies of victims of the disaster dirty and wet, in a tightly packed bags. In the Military Police headquarters, I learned that they must be burned because of the epidemiological risk.” With Gosiewska Beata, his wife, Przemyslaw Gosiewski, talks Dorota Kania (Gazeta Poland “).
I won’t accept ridiculous excuses.
It was an assassination and KavkazCenter is well informed on regular basis.
Enemies always discredit each other so I can see your point jgalindes.
Dear Halina,
I sincerely can do nothing if you are hell bent to demonstrate that the Russians are evil to start with.
I do strive to held firmly with scientific evidence not with emotional bias.
Today, May 19 at 12:00 Moscow time, MAK gave preliminary results of the multilateral investigation.
I was disappointed with the oversimplification of several important details and still have to discovered why the crew was so slow in reacting to a dangerous set of variables.
It is noteworthy that they were flying with autopilot on almost to the end, a very suspect hint.
Like they were not sure actual aircraft positioning…may be?
Or simply being sure that certain flight parameters were being correctly kept by the automatism (roll, pitch, long aligment, thrust, etc)?
Anyway it was confirmed the presence of strange people in the cockpit until very close to the end (possibly the Air Force Chief and another guy). Not a very convenient and lawful procedure, don’t you believe?.
And was stated that the crew lacked the necessary skills due to deficient training including flight simulator, etc.
It is very suspect the fact that there was not almost any mention to ground direction follow-up with the landing radar.
Some Polish newspaper stated the pilot said it was impossible to land with such circumstances…according to leaks in the Polish flight recorder.
Halina, this is a very difficult, painful and dangerous affair.
I repeat again, try to hold more on facts.
I do believe there is a possibility of foul play, am not naive or stupid.
But there is strong indications of lack of careful planning and, sadly enough professionalism involved.
jgalindes
I’m not afraid of any danger for the right cause! As well as Brother Nathanael who risks being assassinated by Zionists.
It is about time somebody has raised to that level. At least I don’t just sit around with my arms crossed and ignorantly watch.
There are evils hiding in sheep skins. We know who they are. They need to be exposed. They need to know ….we know. The masses can no longer be brainwashed.
Apparently some Poles want so much to believe in the wickedness of the Russkis that they would not let facts stand in the way of a good story.
It is a characteristic of all conspiracy theory to re-arrange any facts to fit the theory. So it is useless to appeal to facts and reason.
In all likelihood it was an accident and we can’t exclude recklessness. The suspicion that it was interference with the pilot decision was expressed before any investigation and it seems to be confirmed.
The Polish party intended to make a show at Katyn. Any delay would have taken much off the pitch. It is a reasonable assumption that they took a conscious risk.
It is also noteworthy that the conspiracy theory reached fever pitch after the suggestions of a Russo-Polish rapprochement.
I think it was the nationalist Polish gov’t of Lech Kaczynski’s Law and Justice Party that stood in the way of Perestroika: one Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals. This is globalist policy diktat from a lot higher up than Russia.
This being the true political context of the event, this plane crash was too convenient. And I hope the Polish people will apply themselves to get to the bottom of it.
See Richard Evans article written for Henry Makow “Top Secret Gorbachev Files Unveil Globalist Agenda” May 17, 2010:
http://www.henrymakow.com
The truth is that Russia stays in the way of the globalists.
That’s the reason of the constant vilification and demonization of Putin.
The nationalist govt of Poland fancied itself as the defense wall against the “imperial pretensions of Russia” as well as the spearhead of the civilized EU against the “barbaric Russian.”
More musings.
The “sudden” refusal of leaders of Western countries to attend the celebrations on the Victory Day in Moskow translates in the banning of Vice-President Biden and of Prince Charles to attend the celebrations by Putin.
Troops from USA and UK paraded in Moskow for the first time. More significant was that former enemies participated, chancellor Angela Merkel and the acting President of Poland, Bronislaw Komorowski.
Polish troops paraded right after the Russian ones and at the celebrations President Medvedev handed to his Polish counterpart the files of the Katyn massacre!
Seraphim,
True Communism was always based in the West. It was Wall Street that financed the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. The USA and UK are now outed as ZOGs whereas for most the twentieth century they were perceived to be the ‘free world’.
If you see that the USA and the UK are parading in Moscow and that the German ZOG is present, this merely illustrates to me a convergence aka NWO.
I have posted many examples here of Poland’s independent course from the EU on many, many issues.
Criminals govern RUSSIA
Comment by Viktor Suvorov, “Gazeta Poland, 20-05-2010 8:17
Translated by Halina
“In an ongoing investigation in Russia it is not important to establish the truth, but to invent the probable causes of the disaster to satisfactory explanation for the Russian side – the Smolensk disaster, says former GRU agent, now a writer and researcher of the history of the Soviet Union, Viktor Suvorov.
First of all, I take this opportunity to all Poles to express my sympathy. It was a terrible tragedy.
I beg God that the crime won’t prove to be the cause of a Russian plot, but just an unfortunate disaster. There had been so much pain, so much blood spilt between the two nations, that should this disaster near Smolensk proved to be the deliberate action of Russian authorities – I do not know how I could live with such a burden.
Looking at the numerous clues lots of it is pointing towards an assassination. Nevertheless, I wish it appeared to be a simple disaster without outside cruel interference.
Otherwise I would feel a great shame toward the Poles. As a former citizen of Russia I feel responsible for everything wrong the Russians did to Poland and its citizens.
Country of victims and executioners
In one of my novels, a young girl asks the question whether the executioners and murderers are responsible for their crimes and she answers to herself “Not”, because they committed it on orders.
However, their superiors, like Stalin, who ordered them to kill, have clean hands too, because they personally did not do the extermination. In this way, leaders have clean hands, and the murderers and executioners – a clear conscience.
My country is a country of victims and executioners.
Should the Russians take responsibility for the entire country, not just their own behavior, this kind of atrocities wouldn’t take place in Russia.
I escaped from this country thirty years ago, but I still feel responsible for everything that happens there. Also, for it’s past.
I am a former collaborator of Soviet secret police, and I know their methods.
As far as Smolensk disaster is concerned I know only as much as the media tell us.
Analyzing the data, however, given by the press I must say first of all that lots of the details are not clear enough, but rather very suspicious.
Secondly, the circumstances of the disaster should be examined by an international committee that should be composed of independent experts, representatives of neutral, widely-trusted countries such as Sweden and Switzerland. Let them tell us what really happened.
They are capable of murder
As for the emergencies, I have my own version of events.
Well, the secret services wanted to hinder the mission of President Lech Kaczynski and disrupt his landing. Perhaps they did not want to aspire to such a tragic finale, but they certainly tried to hinder the arrival of President Kaczynski to Katyn – forced the plane to turn back from Smolensk for landing at a distant airport just to make it difficult for President Kaczynski to attend the Katyn’s celebration.
They wanted him to understand they didn’t want him here. And yet, at the same time nothing could prevent them from wanting to cause the disaster.
Russian services have a lot of victims on their conscience.
Soviet agent killed Stepan Bandera in Germany. I omit here the evaluation of Bandera, but the fact of his murder by a Soviet agent.
My friend Sasha Litvinenko was murdered in London by the Russian service by means of some radioactive poisoning.
It is the world’s first international act of terrorism in their use. There is no doubt that Litvinenko’s death is the result of the Russian special services. Russia is ruled by criminals capable of every crime.
I have no evidence to support the thesis that the Russian special agents downed the plane, but it is certain that they would be capable of this.
In the Soviet Union, as well as in contemporary Russia it is not important seeking the truth in such cases, but to find a convenient excuse for the authorities to explain the course of events.
The treatment by the Russian authority’s field on where the presidential aircraft crashed shows that the authorities do not care about security of any evidence pointing to the real causes of the disaster.
This is the highest lack of accountability of the states agents with President Medvedev as the head.
They call him a scarecrow. I tend to agree with that, for he is the man who took on himself to serve such a function”.
Viktor Suvorov
crowd. Anthony Zambia
coll. Peter Bugajewski
Gazeta Polska – Polish NewsPaper
20-05-2010
Translated by Halina
“The acts of the Polish Presidential disaster investigation TU-154 still lack the key materials.
Only the General Prosecutor of Russia can give the Poles access to those documents, which he failed to deliver, although with accordance to Article 5 Polish-Russian “Agreement on Mutual Assistance, September 1996, the parties shall cooperate by providing documents, compiled opinions of experts, adopting the factual evidence and interviewing witnesses.
In view of these provisions, Polish military prosecutors asked for legal assistance to no avail.
Colonel Turnip in an interview with TVN 24 reported that the Polish investigators still do not have any documents as requested by the inspection of the minutes of the disaster, or any relevant protocols, nor secured evidence as victims DNA and autopsy, or the statements of witnesses. There is also, of course, the matter of “black boxes”.
The list of course is much longer.”
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After 70 years Madviedev “generously” delivered the Katyn1 evidence of KGB murderous act on 22 000 Polish officers.
How long will we have to wait for the evidence of Katyn2?
Gazeta polska: Kaczynski’s plane blown up by bomb, experts say
According to a major Warsaw newspaper, Gazeta polska, Polish technical experts suggest that the airframe of the presidential Tupolev-154 place was broken by a powerful explosion. There are signs that this could be a fuel-air bomb.
Crashing of aircraft from such a low altitude, the disintegration of the airframe into small parts can only be attributed to a deliberate human intervention, specialists in aircraft construction testified in the interview to GP.
It is to be mentioned that the presidential Tupolev crashed from a height of about 8 meters and disintegrated into many small pieces. Meanwhile, it is well known that in a crash of this type of aircraft, even from a height of several hundred meters, the plane breaks into only a few large pieces.
This fact confirms the destruction of the aircraft as a result of a bomb blast. According to the interviewed technicians, a very powerful explosion was supposed to happen on board of the Polish president’s plane.
– If it were not so, then the plane would have just cracked, having broken into several parts. The plane body made of aluminum can crack, but not break into such small pieces, experts say.People would survive.
Moreover – the wreckage indicate that no fire occurred, the wreckage smells of fuel.
Duraluminium pieces of jagged metal in size of several centimeters to several tens of centimeters could serve as an indication of the explosion of a fuel-air bomb.
Previously distributed information that the presidential plane had allegedly turned over, touched a tree, and crashed to the ground in overturned position, has been refuted, the GP writes.
The newspaper published a photo of the wheels and chassis of the presidential Tupolev plane, which were completely covered with…mud. And if the plane crashed wheels up, why are they covered with clay? – asks the Polish paper.
Will these and many other secrets be ever clarified? This could be extremely difficult. Moreover, there is a risk that Russians would never allow us to do so, an influential Polish paper, Fakty, writes.
*****
The Russians power over Poland must come to an END!
Dear Halina,
Last time I looked, Poland wasn’t under Russian domination, but UN-EU-NATO control and occupation.
As for “Victor Suvorov,” the pen name for Vladimir Bogdanovich Rezun, he is entirely promoted by the Zionist Jew establishment.
He is not, so far as is known, an academic historian who graduated from a university where they must be taught to apply scientific methodology to the study of history, e.g. to analyze archival documents.
His books and ideas are backed and propagandized first of all by anti-Russian Neocons, liberals and Jews, and he is deeply connected with British intelligence.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/3227310/Sir-Dick-Franks.html
Suvorov began his service in the Soviet Army’s 41st Guards Tank Division and worked in Soviet military intelligence (GRU) before defecting to the United Kingdom in 1978, where he worked as an intelligence analyst and lecturer under his handler, Sir Arthur Temple “Dick” Franks, Chief of SIS or MI6.
At the time he was working in Geneva, Switzerland under United Nations cover. Rezun was smuggled out of the country to England with his wife and two young children.
He had participated in the invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 and had later supervised the training of the elite Spetsnaz special forces. He had also undertaken missions in Munich, Rome, Basel, Amsterdam, Vienna and Hamburg.
Serious military historians have found problems with some of Suvorov’s works.
“Among the noted critics of Suvorov’s work are Israeli historian Gabriel Gorodetsky, American military historian David Glantz, and Russian military historians Makhmut Gareev, Lev Bezymensky and Dmitri Volkogonov.
“Many other western scholars, such as Teddy J. Uldricks, Derek Watson, Hugh Ragsdale, Roger Reese, Stephen Blank, Robin Edmonds, agree that the major Suvorov’s weakness is “that the author does not reveal his sources” (Ingmar Oldberg ) Cynthia A. Roberts is even more categorical, claiming that Suvorov’s writings are based on “virtually no evidentiary base.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Suvorov#cite_note-undricks-5
One example: “…Careful analysis, however, shows that many of the author’s conclusions hold no water…V. Rezun has no conclusive evidence, no direct proof on this score so he uses indirect, circumstantial evidence, but it is unconvincing.
http://web.archive.org/web/20071102155746/http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JAP/is_3_13/ai_n15627741
“A thorough analysis of Ledokol’s content also calls into question the author’s competence and scrupulousness. A careful study of arguments made in the book shows that V. Rezun’s principal method of operation is to put forward an unexpected and startling thesis that he then selects “facts” to back up with. In so doing, he is not loath to juggle the facts or deliberately tell semi-truths or even outright lies.”
http://web.archive.org/web/20071102155746/http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JAP/is_3_13/ai_n15627741
http://www.afpc.org/about_us/index
“About AFPC
“For more than two-and-a-half decades, the American Foreign Policy Council (AFPC) has played an essential role in the U.S. foreign policy debate. Founded in 1982, AFPC is a non-profit organization dedicated to bringing information to those who make or influence the foreign policy of the United States and to assisting world leaders, particularly in the former USSR, with building democracies and market economies.
“AFPC is widely recognized as a source of timely, insightful analysis on issues of foreign policy, and works closely with members of Congress, the Executive Branch and the policymaking community. It is staffed by noted specialists in foreign and defense policy, and serves as a valuable resource to officials in the highest levels of government.
Our Board of Advisors
Mr. Stephen A. Fausel
Fausel Foundation
The Honorable Newt Gingrich
Former Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives
Dr. Fred Ikle
Former Undersecretary of Defense
Sen. Robert Kasten, Jr.
Former two-term Senator from Wisconsin
Amb. Richard McCormack
Former Undersecretary of State
The Honorable Robert “Bud” C. McFarlane
Former National Security Advisor
Gov. Thomas J. Ridge
Former Secretary of Homeland Security
Dr. William Schneider, Jr.
Former Undersecretary of State
The Honorable R. James Woolsey
Former CIA Director
The Honorable Dov Zakheim
Former Undersecretary of Defense
http://www.afpc.org/event_listings/viewOtherEvent/814
On Tuesday February 3 [2008], AFPC hosted a small working luncheon with Mr. Victor Suvorov…Attendees enjoyed a thoughtful and lively discussion and included: Mr. Ilan Berman, AFPC Vice President for Policy; Mr. Ariel Cohen, Senior Fellow at the Heritage Foundation; Mr. E. Wayne Merry, AFPC Senior Associate; Mr. Herman Pirchner, Jr., AFPC President; and, Mr. David Satter, Hoover Institution Research Fellow.
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Halina, you do know who these people are, don’t you, that Mr. ‘Victor Suvorov’ is so cozy with?
Just another Jew-run, Zionist-controlled think tank that has revolving doors with the US Government that are hellbent on continuous mischief in Central Asia, to name one example.
Dear KathJuliane,
What has any of what you said in your last posting to do with the tragedy in Poland or my translations. Trying to discredit Suvorov, surprisingly you seem to know a huge amount about this person who merely draws some conclusions from the clear evidence of the crash scene, these very widely drawn “terrorist” conclusions held amongst the Polish communities worldwide are not difficult to arrive at.
What is YOUR agenda here? Many people died in this crash and you don’t give a damn about that, just deflecting the subject with some irrelevant garbage. Stick to the subject and please comment on that!
This has nothing to do with central Asia or US political groups, we are talking about a murder in Smolensk, Russia of the Polish elite who were to attend a solemn service for the Russian murder of 22,000 Polish officers in the Katyn forest during the second world war. Russia has much to be ashamed of in this holocaust. Jews were not the only ones to suffer a holocaust.
At least Mr Suvorov has the decency to feel some compassion for those lost in this latest atrocity to an act of international terrorism. What happened to the war on terror in this matter, nobody seems to give a crap, including you.
Russian domination of Poland, murder and war crimes are nothing new, Have you ever lived under Russian occupation?
I have been watching this forum for a long time without involvement but what I see is a tragedy in Poland that needs some serious international investigation, rather than elevating Mr Putin to some sort of god like status!
This was clearly the murder of a plane load of people who were embarassing Russia by digging up the evidence of the past atrocity in the cold dark forests of Katyn near Smolensk during the early part of world war two, when more than twenty two thousand Polish elite officers were massacred by the Russian KGB.
The recent downing of this single plane (Katyn 2) rids Poland of a number of leaders and other individuals who were maybe a bit too patriotic for the taste of the Russians and leaves a more sympathetic group of Russian puppets in charge of Poland.
Russia wanting to take control of large new discoveries of natural gas reserves in Poland, Lech Kaczynski seeking possible compensation for the WW2 massacre at Katyn, The Polish economy seeming to be too good for the region etc etc.
Good on you Halina for translating the Polish press articles and bringing some of this to the attention of the english speaking world!
The Polish nation has the right to know the truth but it’s not in the Russians interest to tell it! Where are the black box flight recorders? where are the tapes of the flight and control tower conversations? Why is the wreckage in such small pieces? why were there gunshots?
Why isn’t any other world government asking questions but again leaving Poland to suffer at the hands of Russian dominance?
Go Poland! God bless you and I hope you find the TRUTH!
The rest of the world leaders, you should be ashamed of yourselves yet again!!!
Thank you, John for your frank and thoughtful comments.
As the facts of matter become known and are established, I have no doubt they will substantiate this basic version of events with regard to motive and intent.
And Good On You, Halina for translating these articles from the Polish press and posting it here on Real Zionist News.
Thank you Lynda and John.
I was truly touched by your comments and found myself speechless for a while.
I’m truly grateful.
God bless all.
Antoni Macierewicz:
”Negotiations of Putin and Tusk led to elimination of Polish President Lech Kaczynski”
“The murder of Mr Kaczynski is a part of the plan of Russian aggression from Kyrgyzstan to Ukraine and Poland,” a well-known Polish journalist Antoni Macierewicz writes.
He wrote an article about a [alleged] new genocide of the Polish elite by Russians on the orders of Medvedev and Putin. In his article Macierewicz in particular noted:
“For proper analysis of the Smolensk tragedy it must be considered the whole context of the Polish political situation. Opisywałem go, nie zdając sobie jeszcze sprawy z czekających nas wydarzeń, ponad miesiąc temu na łamach „GP” w artykule: „Polska w sieci służb”.
‘’I’ve made this analysis more than a month ago on the pages of Gazeta Polska in article entitled “Poland in the network of secret services”, without knowing then, what events await us. Dziś wiemy już dużo więcej’’.
Polish policy of independence
The basic thesis of this article is the belief that President Lech Kaczynski was a statesman who was the first since the death of Josef Pilsudski and Roman Dmowski actually engaged in the principle of independent sovereignty of the Polish foreign policy in international politics.
The main purpose of this policy was to make Poland a real player in the European and global level. The immediate task of Kaczynski was strengthening of influence of Poland in central and south-eastern Europe from the Oder to the Dnieper, from the Baltic to the Adriatic Sea, the Black and Caspian Sea.
That meant that the block of the states, thanks to energy sources of the Caspian Sea, could obtain energy independence, backed by an alliance with the US and participation in the EU, could play an independent role between Germany and Russia.
Operation Katyn
In this situation, the breakdown and elimination of the policy of independence has become one of the main tasks of secret services operating against Poland. Its main aim is still to remove the barriers which divide Russia from Western Europe, so not to give up and not lose the heritage of the Soviet Union.
An obedient partner is required for this. Putin-Tusk negotiations led to the elimination of President Lech Kaczynski.
Tusk at the meeting with Putin not only gave up seeking the truth about the genocide near the Katyn, but, ironically, has agreed to become a symbol of the subordination to Russia’s energy, though Poland has the largest deposits of natural gas in Europe.
On April 7, 2010 Poland agreed to waive the truth about Soviet genocide and become Russia’s energy colony.
Katyn: the genesis of the drama
Katyn talks are a key to understanding the events that we experience today. The elimination of Kaczynski for Russia was a necessary requirement to achieve its geopolitical and historical purposes, and the removal of an integrating factor in Central Europe separating Russia from Germany.
Tusk’s decision to separate meeting with Putin in Katyn, without President Kaczynski, was a cornerstone and the beginning of the inevitable course of events which led to the tragedy in Smolensk.
Firstly, because it was obvious that all those who for years insisted on Russia to reveal the truth about the genocide in Katyn will gather together with the president on April 10 celebrations.
Thus, the presidential aircraft became a kind of trap for Polish patriots, who wanted on 10 April be together with their president, just because their absence at the ceremony would signify the adoption of Russian dictation from April 7.
Secondly, because Russia in its quest to eliminate the Polish president, gave to a meeting with
Tusk the status of a state visit. Anyone who knows Byzantine Russian customs understood that this could have consequences also in the security system, and the participation of the Russian authorities in preparation for visit of the President of Poland.
Practically, this meant, for example, that the automatic guidance system (ILS) on April 7 during arrival of Tusk and Putin guaranteed safety to aircraft in Smolensk. But immediately after the departure of prime ministers the system was closed down, and on April 10 it obviously not there anymore.
Third, because the Katyn agreement with Tusk was part of a previously prepared recovery operations zone of Russian influence in post-Soviet republics from Central Asia to Ukraine and Poland.
It wasn’t accidental the coup in Kyrgyzstan, the signing of an agreement with Yanukovych on the deployment of the Black Sea fleet, the construction of Nord Stream and an official protest of Russia on the construction in Poland the US missile base.
So even if Tusk was not aware of all of this, in any event, in the autumn of 2009 he began to negotiate with Russia (probably through Adam Rotfeld, his chief representative in talks with Putin and Medvedev), then on April 7, 2010 he had already understood everything.
Lech Kaczynski of course, knew nothing of the details of the serious omissions in the security sphere. He was going to Katyn with a determination to oppose the policy of liquidation of Central Europe.
His speech prepared for the ceremony is the best evidence of this. Kaczynski and the independence elite found themselves in a whirl of great Russian influence recovery operations in the former empire, based on agreement with Germany and with the consent of the government of Donald Tusk.
It was essentially a gigantic trap, which slammed on April 10 together with the flight of Tu-154 at 7:20 Warsaw time.
Georgian precedent – a Smolensk epilogue
These developments have their antecedents and epilogues. Either or both are specific, and left, seemingly invisible traces of preparation.
Till now there is mysterious a film lasting 1 minute and 24 seconds, removed through 3 minutes after wreck. It shows events round the destroyed plane.
Epilogue is still a mystery movie lasting a minute and 24 seconds, and recorded in three minutes after the crash. It shows the events around the wrecked plane.
Its true meaning is still not understood, nor there is a wish to fully understand it.
Even though all of us understand what means the words “not ubiwaj (do not kill)”.
This video has already been watched by millions of people around the world, that incomparably more than Andrzej Wajda’s film about Katyn.
As the General Prosecutor’s Office of Poland reported on 27 April, the Bureau of Forensic internal security ABW (Agencja Bezpieczeństwa Wewnętrznego) recognized the video footage as authentic… in what is still so hard to believe.
The antecedent is mainly a Georgian operation. Experts describing a few months ago a series of actions directed against Poland, for various reasons, omitted “the Georgian operation”.
Its more extensive analysis has been presented at a seminar at the School of Media in Torun.
The essence of this operation was that an attempt was made to determine to what extent, in Poland there are forces that can oppose the president and the pro-independence camp, and whether to impose the public their version of events, even when it comes to the assassination of the head of state!
We know the answer.
They provided us with it when Komorowski publicly stated -“Only a blind sniper could not hit a vehicle from 30 meters” – (regarding the bombardment by Russian occupiers of motorcade of Lech Kaczynski and Saakashvili in Georgia in 2008 – KC).
Dear friends,
You that are still interested in this fatality should consider the following:
Mak’s report on May 19, 2010 was not complete by means and design. An investigation into an accident this magnitude usually takes more than one year for completion.
Anyway a set of useful info was unveiled:
1 – The trip proceeded orderly and without machine failure to the end.
2 – Under landing radar approach they came without flight discrepancies until the last 2-3 Km.
3 – The Polish crew was not given meteorological info regarding Smolensk airport during flight preparations (briefings) in Warsaw. But were given this info during flight both by Bielorussian air authorities and Yak 40 Polish crew already grounded.
4 – Info was of intense fog, not advisable to land. Yak-40 pilot advised at least twice minimums not in accordance for TU-154M landing. Yak-40 landed well before with correct minimums for them and not forget that is an smaller (shorter inertia delays) aircraft (can perform more pronounced roll at “finals” if missaligned with the runaway while TU-154M can’t).
5 – Airport traffic dispatcher called TU crew when realised they were too low in the glideslope (app.2 Km). Commanded “101 Horizon” meaning that they had to level the aircraft in the horizontal inmediately (I imagine a 30 m altitude delay for this command given the vertical velocity of the aircraft and the periodicity of the PRN-6M2 landing radar-1 scan every 2 seconds).
The airfield manager advised for an alternate.
6 – In an unusual procedure, the crew informed they would be going to the decision height(100m) and if they were not able to see the runaway they would go into an alternate.
7 – Sadly enough, the voice recorder reproduced a countdown (90, 80…) evidently violating promised procedure and all known flight standards. Proving the crew was aware of the altimeter readings.
In the meantime they ignore repetitive warning signals (auditive and visual) from TWAS.
8 – Aircraft was flown in semi-autopilot mode, that is to say just longitudinal, roll and thrusters were automatically controlled. The crew reacted too late when probably saw earth 5 seconds before the fatal birch collision.
They relied (irregularly) in the sophisticated navigation equipment installed into presidential aircraft, creating their own “ILS” totally slave to the accuracy, reliability and random possible malfunction of the satellite network.
9 – The order to close the airport fully dependent on Moscow political orders as disclosed in this interview by a former aircraft chief dispatcher at Smolensk.
http://tinyurl.com/33yy2nn
(Be aware, it’s a Google translation!).
It is my humble opinion that this order should have been enforced given the weather conditions.
Anyway, we must wait for a more complete report from MAK to let this subject rest.
Leading German aviation experts: ”It was an act of terrorism”
Two leading German aviation experts, Marek Strassenburg Kleciak, a specialist in three-dimensional navigation systems at Bundeswehr University in Munich and at the Faunhofer Institute in Darmstadt, and Hans Dodel, a German expert on navigation systems and electronic warfare, an author of the book “Satellite Navigation”, published in the influential Warsaw paper Gazeta polska an article entitled “It was an act of terrorism” (To był zamach), in which they explain how the aircraft of Polish President Lech Kaczynski was destroyed.
Having examined the full report of lies of Russian KGB’s “investigation commission”, the so-called IAC in particular, they indicate:
“The history is repeating. A plane of pro-communist President of Mozambique crashed in South Africa on October 19, 1986. There were 43 people on board with the president and many ministers and other officials who held leading positions in the country.
As in case of the presidential plane at Smolensk, the Mozambican plane deviated from the correct runway at 37 degrees. The pilots behaved as if they did not know at what height they are. They ignored the warning signal from the GWP, which was received by them 32 seconds before the crash. After the crash, the South African police took all the black boxes and refused to conduct an independent investigation.
The official report of South African investigators is read as if it was compiled in modern Russia. The report states:
1) The aircraft of President of Mozambique was in a fully satisfactory working technical condition.
2) A terrorist attack or sabotage is excluded.
3) The behavior of the crew did not comply with the requirements needed for the landing.
4) The pilots ignored warning signals of GWP.
Russians, who lost a valuable ally in the plane crash, unexpectedly protested against the South African report. They accused the government of South Africa in the distortion of the satellite signal sent to the aircraft.
All these circumstances are very similar to what happened in Smolensk on April 10, 2010.
It has turned out after many years that the Communists were right.
In January 2003, a former secret agent of the South African regime, Hans Lowe, admitted that the plane had been shot down by a deliberate falsification of satellite signals, carried out by South African agents.
He also said that if the electronic attack failed, the aircraft would have been shot down by conventional weapons by two groups of commandos (we saw that in Smolensk during the killing of survived Poles by Russians – KC).
It is an [alleged] “fact” that on April 10 at Smolensk, Russian distorted satellite signals of GPS, as a result of which the plane moved in a wrong position (in horizontal plane: 160 meters to the left of the runway and vertically, at estimated 80 meters below the required level).
An “intelligent” signal distortion involves the capture of the signal and sending it back (with a slight shift in time and with greater intensity) at the same frequency, in order to deceive the crew. It is necessary to specify that this has nothing to do with fantastic technical devices in James Bond movies. This technology is used worldwide to protect buildings since 9/11, including buildings of special importance, such as nuclear power stations and governmental agencies (e.g., in case of missile attacks).
In case of approaching Tupolev, a signal distortion in a rather small area has led to the tragedy. An equipment for the signal distortion operates with an accuracy of 0,3 meters. And a source of the remote control could be positioned from at a distance of dozens of kilometers from the aircraft. Technically it is possible to distort the altimeter readings.
If we add here the distortion of atmospheric pressure data (Russian air traffic controllers did not gave this data to Tupolev), then the crew, even in a better visibility than it was in Smolensk, didn’t have a slightest chance of survive. The character of the area near the airport of Smolensk – a large valley – was an additional guarantee for the success of the Russian terrorist attack.
GPS indications and other devices did not allow to activate the system for preventing to approach to the ground too closely, the EGPWS. This system is activated when the aircraft lowers below 666 meters (2000 feet) from the earth surface.
Pilots ignore the EGPWS signals every time when they carry out a regular landing.
In this case, the problem was that the EGWPS system is activated according to the readings of the position meter of the GPS receiver and the altimeter. Thus, the pilots, instead of 100 meters above the ground, were at the height of only 5 meters, and from this position they never reached the landing strip…”.
Dear Halina,
Let me enhance your “conspiracy theory” at hand, mentioning the link where you found this “valuable” info:
http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2010/05/27/12131.shtml
OOOPPPSSS! Kavkaz Center again!!!
jgalindes
And what’s wrong with the journalists at Kavkaz Centre?
Are you a racist? Do you hate Muslims too?
No wonder that the world is so divided, thank to intolerant poeple like yourself.
They merely save my time translating some of the independent Polish newspaper that they also seem to follow, and not only.
I truly pity you. May God watch over your poor soul.
Details of new (alleged) Katyn Massacre by international terrorists from old KGB explained
by Valeri Kalabugin
“Dear friends,
I have held every day contact with people of the Polish Solidarity before, during and after the Polish president’s plane crash, I observed how the story unfolded, and I can say the following;
“First, the video is authentic. After the crash, the Poles started looking for clues at once because there were no coherent official explanations available, nor are now.
My friend, a Solidarity leader, sent this video to me immediately when she located it on the web. Since then, this video has remained unchanged in all its versions: in slow motion, with and without comments, with and without magnification. The only distorted version, with cuts, was once shown on the Russian TV.
Click for raw video;
http://www,youtube.com/watch?v=Xxd0nsPvq1
Click for video with comments in Polish and English;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v-PxIFh3NkEvM
Click for analytical slow motion video:
http://v=HqMkqyAFob0
Second, I confirm that the transcript of Russian speech (I do not know Polish) in this video is correct. They do shout “Don’t shoot us!”, and some others do shout “Move, you scum!”, etc., etc.
NB: I was the first person whom my Polish Solidarity friend asked to listen to this video and to make a transcript of what is said and shouted in it. Although I am an audio engineer, with the sound quality of my computer and with my headphones I managed to decode a mere 30 to 40%, and made some mistakes.
Later, studio engineers in Warsaw applied elaborate professional equipment to make a transcript. They also applied slow motion and freeze frames to see and discern more. I listened again, simultaneously reading their text, and I confirm the accuracy of the transcript. I asked my friend to pass my congratulations to engineers who did this job.
Third, must we ignore this video or not? It was placed on the web by an unknown person under a nickname; nobody knows who he is, and no one had never used this nickname before or after that video.
Initially the video, as well as other suspicious evidence, was ignored by officials and mainstream media – in Russia of course, but in Poland, too! By now, however, the Polish Home Security Agency in Warsaw announced that it has started investigation and analysis of the video and, somewhat later, declared it to be authentic and in no way forged.
Some web commentators, in Russia as well as in Poland, have noted that the behavior of the operator is likely to betray his being a member of the group making cleansing and shooting survivors. The origin of the tape thus being mysterious, it was nevertheless not assembled, nor compiled, nor else: it is genuine.
Fourth, there is NO ‘compelling evidence’, neither ‘in the form of an earlier flight involving the Polish President, that the pilots were ordered to land in unsafe conditions’, nor in any other form.
A foreigner who was on the same plane with President Kaczinski when landing in Azerbaidzhan instead of Georgia, said the Polish President reacted to the pilot’s announcement with a smile and said, ‘Well, we shall now have to find a fast way to get to Thbilisi [Georgian capital] from there’. The foreigner, a well-known person, published this in the Russian Internet space and put his name under his article. (I do not remember the author’s name but I can find his article out if someone deems it necessary.)
Fifth, yes, the official information is ABSOLUTELY UNRECONCILABLE with the ‘conspiracy theory’ or, more correctly, with the video and other evidence. The official information has been minimalistic, tongue-tied, incoherent and changing. Exactly like the Soviet ‘information’ always was, and even worse.
Now, to the evidence – official as well as unofficial – that opposes the Russian version (or, more correctly, VERSIONS because there have been many of them):
– A reconstruction of the last minutes of flight with photographs of broken trees, made by a Russian expert some days after the crash and published on the Russian web, shows that the plane was following a false landing direction, flying constantly in parallel with but 350 to 500 yards (or even up to a mile, according to some sources) to the left from the straight line leading to the landing strip.
The plane was obviously led astray from the correct path.
Questions:
Why did the Polish plane drift so badly off its course?
What was the trouble with the landing beacon? Where was it located?
Or relocated?
Or was there an additional false landing beacon placed? Or else?
Why, anyhow, was it guided in a wrong direction?
Remember: airplanes are in fact guided not from the cockpit but from the ground!)
Click for analysis in Russian:
http://picasaweb.ru/Amlmtr/MWzNeJ#5460120625184606402
(Indeed deserves to be translated!)
– Moscow disinformers first said that the aircraft approached to land four times. Later they admitted it approached only once.
– Moscow disinformers first wrote that the Polish pilot did not know the Russian language and mixed numbers “1,2,3,4” (in Polish they sound very similar).
Later it turned out that the pilot perfectly spoke Russian.
– Some minutes before the approaching Polish plane, there was a Russian aircraft of IL series flying the same path. It had a similar problem: it slipped on one wing and might probably hit the ground, too, but managed to leave.
Questions:
What was that Russian plane doing there? Was it testing the operation of the false landing beacon?
– Why did Putin and pro-Russian Prime Minister of Poland Donald Tusk, Putin’s strong ally and marionette, arrange a meeting THREE DAYS BEFORE the anniversary of Katyn massacre?
They knew perfectly well that on the proper day President Kaczynski would visit the site and hold a solemn ceremony as he always did before. They avoided attending the actual ceremony and made a false ceremony of their own. Putin arranged the meeting with Tusk with great publicity and even ordered to demonstrate a Polish film about the 1940 massacre on the Russian TV – but theirs was an untimely meeting.
Why did they do this?
(Answer: Putin acted as Tusk’s image maker and promoted him as a politician more efficient than Kaczynski, which should lead Tusk and his post-communist party to power.)
– Gen. Roman Polko, commander of the Polish special task force “GROM”, in his interview for the Polish news program “Aktualnośc dnia” (Radio Maryja) said his contacts among NATO officers wonder why Poland has not appealed to NATO for help in the investigation.
Taking that Poland has now a pro-Russian prime minister and a pro-Russian president, and that all former Polish military command have been annihilated, the Tusk’s team can effectively block contacts and did this.
(In Polish)
– News by Polish agency Radio Zet, published in newspaper Wiadomości (9 May 2010, 12:27), says:
“Shots on the Place of the Disaster? – New Testimony of Russian Policemen “From the testimony of Russian militiamen who had arrived at the place of of the presidential aircraft disaster in Smolensk, it follows that they heard sounds resembling shots.
In the minutes of their interrogation, thunder noises and echoes reminding those of shooting are mentioned, informed Radio Zet. […]” (In Polish)
– On 10 April Piotr Paszkowski, Press Secretary of the Polish Foreign Ministry, said on the TV that three people were alive and were sent to a hospital. No information has even appeared about those people any more.
– Sławomir Wiśniewski, operator of Polish state-owned news channel TVP at the Telewizja Polska (Polish Television) reported 10 April at approx. 11:00 from the place of the disaster.
Wiśniewski watched the Polish President’s plane crash from the distance of approximately a mile.
He said some years ago he saw a similar plane crash in Kabaty, near Warsaw.
There was one large fire as usual in plane accidents, he said.
This time in Katyn, however, there were one explosion and two bursts of fire. He grabbed his camera and ran to the place. He saw no dead bodies or wounded people [question: where were they?] and thought the aircraft was empty, without passengers.
There was complete silence. Unlike in other plane crashes, there were only small fragments.
[Question: an explosion?] The FSB [Russian secret police, successor to KGB] people immediately surrounded the place and let no reporters to enter.
They struck Wiśniewski on his head with a Kalashnikov, seized his camera and took away tapes [question: why, what for?], and they drove him away for interrogation.
Wiśniewski said he saw the plane jumping in the air from an explosion.
All earliest video shots from the place of Kaczynski’s plane crash, translated all over the world, were made by Wiśniewski”.
Yours,
Valeri Kalabugin
Member of the Board, Estonian Institute for Human Rights
Tallinn, Estonia
Source: Smolensk-2010.pl
And from me:
I would like to apologize for my previous spelling errors and I promise not to let anyone’s sarcasm get me again.
Having no intentions to brag I admit, however, to making these mistake occasionally especially when one is able to speak and write more than just one language. Well, I suppose no one is perfect….
God bless you all.
Halina,
Thank you so much for your work on these translations and posting them here. I have seen links on other websites to RZN citing your work here.
What we have at this point is a narrative. And facts of matter are becoming established and pieced into the narrative.
The conspiracy (theory) angle becomes necessary to explain certain connections that are simply unbelievable to have just happened.
Those who invoke ‘conspiracy theories’ are trying to prevent a join the dots approach to this event. The use of the term conspiracy theory attempts to ridicule the idea that people who want to achieve specific goals (whether positive or negative) do not meet and organize in private.
For example if I want to plan a surprise birthday party for a friend, I get together with a few friends and we plan a party.
The party happens. All those who were not privy to my plans with a few friends, they say well, the surprise party for X just happened. And they might scoff at the idea that a few people planned it that way as a conspiracy theory. They assume that for the party to have been organized, those who organized it would meet publicly, announce their plans, do everything in a transparent way. Such an assumption is nonsense.
This idea that we have to believe events always just happen is a mind warp. The sheeple are not supposed to entertain the idea of events being planned and organized covertly when in fact all effective planning takes place that way.
The technical data is an important part of the narrative. I hold to my idea that a plane crash can be organized to look like an accident and all technical data will support that. The real proof is going to be elsewhere.
Dear Halina,
I can’t be racist, I belong to one of those races that suffered most with the so called “western white wisdom”.
Please don’t take it as a personal attack, I don’t have any veiled reason to defend Russians, or their Orthodox Church.
I’m just following with attention independent investigations and the result of the MAK, in a way we can compare one with the other.
There are many un-explained facts until the present moment, especially with regards to the gross navigational errors and “sui-generis” piloting decisions on the Polish side and the lack of appropriate commands from the Russian ground controller.
I don’t believe in conspiracies in relation with Smolensk’s disaster, for now, an accident, but the last one presented by the Polish-German (Marek Kleciak sound Polish, isn’t it) scientists above may have some technical appeal for further investigation, because it could address to ground navigational signals on which the Polish crew fully resorted.
I recommend you to peruse the following Polish link to a group that have been considering the technical and political aspects of the tragedy:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1109585
The thread was closed on May 25 waiting for next MAK report and I consider a wise decision.
Halina, if there was foul play it is morally better to hold a scientific explanation than an thoroughly emotional one.
The New Zealand magazine UnCensored will be out on June 1, 2010 in N.Z. and on June 24 in Oz. Issue 20 will claim that only four people were aboard the plane that crashed in Smolensk, Russia which according to all official reports was carrying Lech Kaczynski and the Polish, political elite of the Tusk government.
Issue 20 of UnCensored will claim that that the Law and Justice Party members of the Tusk government and others officially reported to be on that plane were assassinated.
Stay tuned.
Hello everyone.
Please find below another news from Kavkaz Center, (Yes! Again!) It is good to know, however, that others are following it too.
Now, could this be a big lie as well?
Oh God! I do hope so…
Jews commit bloodbath on live. Massacre called ‘the interception of ships’
Zionist forces have attacked a flotilla of aid-carrying ships aiming to break the country’s siege on Gaza.
At least 20 people were killed and dozens injured when troops intercepted the convoy of ships dubbed the Freedom Flotilla early on Monday, the Zionist military said.
Sheikh Raed Salah, the leader of the Islamic movement in the 1948 occupied Palestinian lands, is among the dead, Zionist media reported.
The flotilla was attacked in international waters, 65km off the Gaza coast.
Footage from the flotilla’s lead vessel, the Mavi Marmara, showed armed Zionist invaders boarding the ship and helicopters flying overhead.
Al Jazeera’s Jamal Elshayyal, on board the Mavi Marmara, said Zionist troops had used live ammunition during the operation.
The “Israeli” occupation military said four invaders had been wounded and claimed troops opened fire after “demonstrators onboard attacked the IDF Naval personnel with live fire and light weaponry including knives and clubs.”
Free Gaza Movement, the organizers of the flotilla, however, said the Zionists opened fire as soon as they stormed the convoy.
Our correspondent said that a white surrender flag was raised from the ship and there was no live fire coming from the passengers.
Before losing communication with our correspondent, a voice in Hebrew was clearly heard saying: “Everyone shut up.”
Earlier, the “Israeli” navy had contacted the captain of the Mavi Marmara, asking him to identify himself and say where the ship was headed.
Shortly after, two “Israeli” naval vessels had flanked the flotilla on either side, but at a distance.
Organizers of the flotilla carrying 10,000 tonnes of humanitarian aid then diverted their ships and slowed down to avoid a confrontation during the night.
They also issued all passengers life jackets and asked them to remain below deck.
Al Jazeera’s Ayman Mohyeldin, reporting from Jerusalem, said the “Israeli” action was surprising.
“All the images being shown from the activists on board those ships show clearly that they were civilians and peaceful in nature, with medical supplies on board. So it will surprise many in the international community to learn what could have possibly led to this type of confrontation,” he said.
Meanwhile, Zionist police have been put on a heightened state of alert across the country to prevent any civil disturbances.
Condemnation has been quick to pour in after the Israeli action.
Mahmoud Abbas, “the Palestinian president,” officially declared a three-day state of mourning over Monday’s deaths.
Turkey, Spain, Greece and Sweden have all summoned the “Israeli” ambassador’s in their respective countries to protest against the deadly assault.
Thousands of Turkish protesters tried to storm the “Israeli” consulate in Istanbul soon after the news of the operation broke. The protesters shouted “Damn Israel” as police blocked them.
“(The interception on the convoy) is unacceptable … Israel will have to endure the consequences of this behaviour,” the Turkish foreign ministry said in a statement.
Ismail Haniya, the Hamas leader in Gaza, has also dubbed the “Israeli” action as “barbaric”.
Hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists, including a Nobel laureate and several European legislators, were with the flotilla, aiming to reach Gaza in defiance of an Zionist embargo.
But Israel had said it would not allow the flotilla to reach the Gaza Strip and vowed to stop the six ships from reaching the coastal Palestinian territory.
The flotilla had set sail from a port in Cyprus on Sunday and aimed to reach Gaza by Monday morning.
“Israel” said the boats were embarking on “an act of provocation” against the “Israeli” military, rather than providing aid, and that it had issued warrants to prohibit their entrance to Gaza.
It asserted that the flotilla would be breaking international law by landing in Gaza, a claim the organizers rejected.
Department of Monitoring
Kavkaz Center
May God bless you all and keep you safe.
Is there any chance to learn the truth?
TVN 24, 31-05-2010 13:25
The Polish Minister, Jerzy Miller signed a memorandum in Moscow, which shows that the content of black boxes recordings of the Tu-154 may not be disclosed before the end of the work of the Committee at the Russian inter-Aviation.
So, over the next few months the recorded contents will be concealed.
In Moscow, the head of Polish Ministry of Internal Affairs Jerzy Miller has met with Russian Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov.
During the meeting a memorandum of transfer of the TU-154 black boxes recordings has been signed – said on its website TVN24.pl.
TVN24 reporter recounts how at the meeting Ivanov had said, that the memorandum contains all the content resulting from the Chicago Convention, and therefore as well the non-disclosure of the contents of black boxes recordings before the committee’s completion of work.
Minister Miller explained that, according to the Chicago Convention none of the portions that indicate a negative human behavior should be disclosed, but only those that do not relate to the disaster.
Over the next few days it will be decided whether the Polish government should publicly reveal any details.
The mere transmission of black boxes recordings will take place at about 16 hours Polish time at MAK (government headquarters) and data from black boxes will be transferred to electronic carriers going to Poland.
The black boxes, however, and its original recordings will remain at the disposal of the Russian committee until the announcement by MAK of the final report on the crash.
The actual transfer date of the original black boxes to Poland is unknown.
(G, TVN24.pl)
Well….what have they got to hide? Hmm…?
UNFORTUNATELY It’s been CONFIRMED
My hopes of “another lie” by Kavkaz Center dashed!
My heart’s heavy with dread.
Here is the tragic news from the “Independent Poland News”
“WORLD condemns ISRAEL”
31-05-2010 17:54
From all over the world come voices of outrage after the Israeli attack on a humanitarian convoy sailing to Gaza.
Israeli commando attack in which a dozen people were killed this morning was strongly condemned byTurkey.
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Ankara has called this action as “unacceptable.”
Turkey has recalled their ambassador in Israel to return home and cancelled all joint military maneuvers with Israel, also requesting to convene a special session of the Security Council.
UN – gives TVP Info.
Other European countries have reacted in the same way recalling their ambassadors in Israel and demanding explanations from Israeli ambassadors in their countries.
UN Secretary General Ban Ki Mun condemned the killing. He said that it is necessary to fully investigate this incident.
The ambassadors of the European Union will meet in Brussels to discuss the Israeli commando attack. Earlier, EU foreign ministers called on Ashton to conduct an investigation on the attack fatalities, and the free movement of humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip.
Polish Foreign Ministry has called on Israel to quickly explain the attack.
The Communication stated that -“Poland is deeply concerned about events that took place in the waters of the Mediterranean. We call on the Israeli side to quickly resolve the matter in an independent investigation. ”
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…….Sadly, this way trying to avert the attention from demanding an independent investigation into the recent Smolensk disaster, which shows a double standard of the Polish Authorities.
(Source tvp.info / Reuters)
And below the there is more from the BBC News:
“UN Security Council members condemned Israel as they began an emergency session over Israel’s deadly raid on a flotilla of ships carrying aid to Gaza.
At least nine pro-Palestinian activists, some Turkish, were killed when Israeli commandos stormed the ships in international waters.
Turkey’s foreign minister called Israel’s actions “murder by a state”.
Israel’s UN envoy said troops acted in self-defense when activists attacked them, charges the campaigners deny.
“This flotilla was anything but a humanitarian mission,” Israel’s deputy UN ambassador Daniel Carmon said.
He said the activists had used “knives, clubs and other weapons” to attack the soldiers who boarded the lead boat, the Mavi Marmara.
The campaigners insist the soldiers opened fire without any provocation.
Injured activists have been taken to Israeli hospitals, while dozens of others have been detained and are being processed for deportation.
Israel has imposed an information blackout, making it difficult to gather first-hand accounts from the campaigners.
The ships were carrying 10,000 tons of aid in an attempt to break Israel’s three-year blockade of the Gaza Strip.
International outrage
The Security Council’s emergency session continues behind closed at the UN headquarters in New York.
Member states are debating a possible reaction to Israel’s killing of the nine pro-Palestinian activists in international waters.
Most of the activists killed are believed to have been Turkish, and Turkey led a chorus of criticism of Israel at the UN.
“In simplest terms this is tantamount to banditry and piracy. It is murder conducted by a state,” Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said ahead of the closed-door session.
Mr Davutoglu told the BBC that Israel must issue an immediate apology for its storming of the aid ship and repatriate the pro-Palestinian campaigners.
None of the other 15 members of the Security Council was so outspoken in their individual statements, but most called for a full investigation and were critical of Israeli actions.
Many – including veto-wielding members France, Russia and China – also demanded an end to the Israeli blockade on Gaza which the aid ships were trying to break.
Israel’s closest ally, the United States, expressed concern, although deputy US ambassador to the UN, Alejandro Wolff, said it was still not clear what had happened.
“The US is deeply disturbed by the recent violence and regrets the tragic loss of life and injury suffered among those involved in the incident last night, aboard the Gaza-bound ships,” he said.
US state department spokesman Philip Crowley later said America “deeply regrets” the loss of life and expected a “full and credible” investigation by Israel.
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has also called for a full inquiry.
Based on the stated positions of Security Council members, it is difficult to see how they can agree on a consensus statement, but that is what they are trying to do now behind closed doors, the BBC’s Barbara Plett reports from the UN headquarters.
Diplomats say the draft text condemns the Israeli raid, requests immediate release of the impounded ships, and calls for an international investigation, our correspondent says. Washington will face pressure to join the international condemnation of Israel, she adds.
There have been demonstrations against the Israeli operation in cities around the world and several countries summoned their Israeli ambassadors demanding an explanation for the violence.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has condemned the Israeli “massacre” and declared three days of mourning across the West Bank.
The Arab League has called for an emergency meeting on Tuesday, as Jordan and Egypt – the two Arab states with peace deals with Israel – sharply condemned the violence.
For many critics of Israel – on the streets and in foreign ministries – it is not just about this single incident at sea, serious and deadly though it was, says the BBC’s Jeremy Bowen in Jerusalem.
It is about a pattern of violent and disproportionate behavior, with Israel playing to its own rules rather than international law, our correspondent says.
Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak told the BBC that Israel did not want to harm innocent civilians in Gaza, but had to fight the militant group Hamas which controls Gaza.
Israel imposed the blockade on the Gaza Strip after Hamas took power there in 2007.
Earlier, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he regretted any loss of life, but gave full backing to the action of the Israeli troops.
Mr Netanyahu cut short a visit to Canada to deal with the growing crisis and cancelled a scheduled meeting in Washington with US President Barack Obama on Tuesday.
The six-ship left Cyprus on Sunday convoy to carry 10,000 tones of aid to Gaza, despite repeated Israeli warnings that it would not be allowed to reach the territory. It was due to arrive on Monday.
Reports say soldiers boarded the ships about 40 miles (64km) out to sea.
In Tel Aviv, Israel’s navy commander said the troops took over five boats without incident and that all of the violence was centered on the Mavi Marmara.
Organizers of the flotilla said at least 30 people were wounded in the incident. Israel says 10 of its soldiers were injured, one seriously.
Israel has escorted the ships to the port of Ashdod and says it will detain or deport the passengers from there.
Israel says it allows about 15,000 tones of humanitarian aid into Gaza every week, but the UN says this is less than a quarter of what is needed”.
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Why some races believe that they are entitled to all and deny others the basics to live?
I truly cannot comprehend how one cannot get emotional under such circumstances…
Although I am pretty sure that this will receive a well deserved condemnation from all of us.
I feel sorry for these Jews who feel equally bad and yet most probably will have to lower their heads with embarrassment and shame.
Not all Jews are Zionists, but it’s going to be difficult now to trust any Jewish neighbor in any vicinity.
It is just SO unfair to the Palestinians as well as to the good Jewish people.
Will it ever END?
Peace be with you all.
“DO polish pilots wanted to kill themselves and others?”
Leszek Misiak and Matthew Wierzchołowski,
01-06-2010 7:50
“On Monday Russia handed over to Poland the transcripts of recordings only, of the presidential Tupolev black boxes, but forbade to disclose their contents. Polish military prosecutors hoped to conduct its own investigation of voiceprint analysis of conversations in the cockpit.
Now they can forget about it.
So, the festival of lies implemented by the Smolensk Russian committee and assisted by Edmund Klich – Polish representative in the Russian committee is still ongoing.
Klich discloses further “revelations” from the black boxes recordings.
The latter shows that Maj. Arkadiusz Protasiuk committed suicide!!!!
Klich groundlessly accuses the pilots for the cause of the disaster, without any supporting documents or reports of the Russian commission, which would be apparent.
The culminant period for lies will probably take place just before presidential elections.
It will “become apparent” – as you might expect – that President Kaczynski and his wife Maria forced the pilots to commit suicide.
SUICIDE?
From Klich’s trite statements it appears that Arkadiusz Protasiuk brought the aircraft below the amount of decision-making (for Smolensk-Siewiernyj airport is about 70 m), although the 80-meter co-pilot had to say “go, giving a signal to break the descent of the machine.
According to Klich’s version – much less likely than most so-called conspiracy theories of the crash – the crew deliberately continued to decline up to 20 m, although it did not see the runway and the airplane was located over a kilometer from the runway, in addition inclined more than 40 m from its axis.
– Remember that none of the devices onboard were faulty, so the pilot should know very well what is shaping the airport and surrounding area; after all the pilot had before him a three-dimensional computer map, TAWS terrain system.
In addition, Maj. Protasiuk knew the airport well – says Marek Strassenburg Kleciak, working in Germany, Polish specialist in three-dimensional navigation systems.
The fact that the crew knew their proximity to the target landing point, said on the radio the same Edmund “Troika” Klich.
Most importantly – the Polish accredited MAK also found that roughly at a height of 20 m the marker beacon ahs signaled, which should be heard by the pilots, located at least at 60 meters.
NATOs reading altimeter is indicating the values given in feet.
Suspicions are that before Edmund Klich quoted the figure of 20 he did not refer to height in meters, but meant 200 feet (we read in dozens of feet), or 60 meters, and at that height the plane should be flying over the NDB beacon. This would confirm my hypothesis that the on-board equipment was affected by the distorted satellite signal, and the pilots thought they were much higher.
Especially as the crew almost to the end used the autopilot, which should be deactivate (or disabled), approaching the landing – explains Strassenburg Kleciak.
And he added: – “However, if in fact, it appears from the recordings, that the pilots deliberately went down to a height of 20 m, not feet, and they did this on autopilot, which should be switched off at a height of 70 meters, then either they deliberately brought about their own death, or the recordings of the flight recorders have been falsified. There is no other explanation.
How to convert a box?
Soon it will be two months after the Smolensk disaster.
As from April 10 the primary black boxes of the Polish Tu-154 continuously remain in the hands of the Russians. Polish authorities and the prosecution have enough copies of their recordings, but strangely enough, Moscow decided that for a fair analysis the third original black box is needed, which – according to our information – is owned by Polish counterintelligence.
Poles – as could be expected – without any conditions handed the third recorder to Russians, though – if one uses the logic of Putin’s subordinates – an equal proof could be a copy of the unit’s recordings.
Why do the Russians have already announced that they will not give us the originals of the flight recorders, though they are owned by the Polish government?
What did they need the third black box for?
Flight recorders contain all the key parameters and indicators on-board equipment, as well as recordings of conversations in the cockpit. Only through careful analysis of the contents of these devices could confirm or rule out a very plausible hypothesis of intentional distortion of the navigation system of the machine, or an aircraft accident.
Black boxes are just better or worse protected media, and the removal of inconvenient evidence, especially for staff who know the ins and outs of the construction of the Tu-154 and its instruments, is not a difficult task, as long as no one prevents the interference with contents of recorders for several hours, or even more so, for a few weeks – they wrote a week ago in the Polish newspaper.
Falsifying the black boxes wouldn’t cause the Russians any problems.
Please recall the 1988 French air crash at the Habsheim airport during a demonstration of an Airbus A-320 flight, (killing 320 people) – which was introduced for commercial use, designed to conquer the global market.
The pilot, who survived, said that the machine malfunction caused the disaster, including erroneous indication of an altimeter (the crew thought that it was much higher), and failure of rudders.
The black boxes showed, however, that the responsibility for the breakdown of the Airbus bears with the crew flying too low and too late increasing the sequence of engines.
That also was the tenor of the official government report, which protected the creators of the Airbus, who all costs tried to prevent the collapse of the production, and sale of the aircraft (remember that this is a state company).
It is worth noting that, according to French law the obligation to protect incumbent registrars lies with the police, and yet it takes the French police to received the boxes from the officials of civil aviation … 10 days after the disaster!!!
However, only after independent investigation and examination of the media (originals, not copies!) – conducted under pressure from supporters of “conspiracy theory” – it turned out that the ill-fated Airbus recorders have been infringed (or even substituted!), missing a few seconds of the recordings and some parameters (ex. al. Flight data and – attention! – the crew conversations in the cockpit), which was not synchronized.
Is that why the Prime Minister Putin so consistently refuses to return the black boxes from the presidential aircraft?”
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One may notice Polish names again.
Why the surprise?
We, the Polish people want to know THE TRUTH.
We will never give up even though it may take another 70 years to wait.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeHD0SQrYE&feature=player_embedded#!
‘Victims robbed’
Victims of Tu-154 crash in Smolensk were robbed of credit cards.
Around $6000 Polish zloty was gone from the account of Andrew Przekaznik, who was killed in the crash on April 10.
He was the Secretary of the Council for Preservation of Monuments Struggle and Martyrdom.
The first transaction took place the same day of the disaster – tells Rzeczpospolita – and this matter is already in the prosecutor’s office.
Andrew Przekaznik had credit cards with him in the Presidential Tu-154.
The thieves took advantage of them in Smolensk the very same day of the disaster.
The other two transactions were carried out two days later.
Polish Law Enforcement Authorities have informed the Russians about this fact and the Russian Special Security forces apparently tracked down the thieves.
The Polish Police, however, does not know who they are and whether they were caught at all.
According to “Rzeczpospolita” they were not the only credit cards missing, but they have not been used yet.
‘Robbers apparently caught’
A group of Russian OMON officers, were arrested soon after the Smolensk crash having been caught with stolen credit credits cards in their possession , that were used the very same day.
OMON is the Russian anti-terrorist group.
Its members have used some of the cards immediately after the crash and stole around $6000 zloty from Andrew Przewoznik’s account, the Secretary of the Council for Preservation of Monuments Struggle and Martyrdom.
Three OMON officers, who committed this shameful act, were quickly detained thanks to the cooperation of the Russian Special Security services – Graś Paul said on Radio Zet.
He added that the offenders are already held in custody awaiting trial and sentence.
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Well….we would like to see it.
Dear Halina,
This shameful fact, stealing the dead, proves first and foremost, that at least Mr.
Andrew Przewoznik was on board, contradicting one of the initial conspiracy theories that the plane was carrying just four persons.
I don’t find much that gives me inspiration anymore these days.
The most horrible problem I have is sleeping at night in my safe apartment knowing that there are young girls and women from Russia, Ukraine and other Eastern European countries, being kidnapped and sold into slavery in brothels, being stripped naked, gang raped and sold as cattle in Tel Aviv and Kosovo, and being raped repeatedly each day with no hope of escaping the murderous male thugs who beat them everyday.
I find it hard to live with this, and I don’t know what Vladimir Putin is doing about it, but this article gave me a little bit of something positive to think about because I find there is nothing else.
http://www.radicalpress.com/?p=857#more-857
To all those who doubt Putin can be genuine, consider this…
First argument – faith:
Putin is a genuine Christian, brother Nathanael attested to that, himself being an Christian Orthodox monk.
In our tradition, each believer has often a spiritual master, who advises you and helps you with doubts and help with all issues of life and inner invisible battle with evil forces.
Putin does have a very reputable Christian master, which is a guarantee of his devotion and reality as a believer. It is hard to fake it once you are a Orthodox Christian!
Some tried to fake it, like KGB spies tried many times, only to end up miraculously repenting their sins and living as true believers afterwards:-) The power of the Holy Spirit is immense!
Second argument — Putin’s KGB past and sometimes dubious actions as a politician:
You have to understand that steering his way and turning the tables in Russia of the end 90s has been extremely hard for Putin! Just imagine doing the same in the US right now for anyone!
When a country is torn and controlled by Zionist Jews like Russia was then (and still is right now, after 10 years of progress!) – just imagine taking away piece of pie from those hysterical, treacherous, rich and powerful bunch!
They control the media, they will always hit below the belt. Many times Putin had to and still has to play it as if in their favor too in order to drive his point home and get victory bit by bit.
It is the nature of the game and politics – to get gradual control of a vast and diverse country and reintegrate what has almost been dismembered – wow, what a job!!!
Also please keep in mind that people and their minds have been seriously damaged by the psycho attack of media of all kinds and by malnutrition and the like, same like in the US.
Many of people just do not see the reality yet! Many have become non-believers, deniers, have lost families and their true natural ways and roots, and identity as result of 100 odd year rule of Zionist Jews in Russia since they ritualistically killed our Tsar Nikolai II and family and millions more, the best of our nation.
One more thing:
Please reconsider Stalin. He was not a bad guy! He was a great ruler for Russia. He made Russians proud of their past and traditions. He restored the empire. Stalin was killed by the Jews as result.
If not killed – he would probably bring Russia back to Christianity himself. Under Stalin after WW2 the Church and believers had enjoyed more and more freedom. Just look at the way the Jewish media has always hysterically presented Stalin as evil – only this fact should definitely alarm the true researcher!
We have all been conditioned about many things, and we have been conditioned about Stalin and his heritage. Also consider that for most time Stalin did not have full control of power, the Jews occupied a lot of powerful places.
The arrests and killings that took place – look who headed the KGB etc. – all interconnected Jews who loved to kill the best of ethnic Russians as well as their own kind! They always do..
Brothers & sisters in Christ,
Remember the photos of Putin water skiing at Kennebunkport with the Bushes. I am just being cautious, thank you.
And God Bless the True Christians,and not the left over remnant of the fallen Nephilum, who have now have morphed into the Pharisees/Khazars.
@Bro Nathanael
IMO Putin is his own man while Obama is no more than a Jew lapdog.