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THE ZIONIST BEAST THAT NOW RULES AMERICA has usurped and consumed — like a drive-thru lunch at McDonalds — the latest populist flicker on the otherwise fascist political landscape…the ‘Tea Party Movement.’
Cleverly, deftly, the Zionists – as they always do – identified their target, sized up its strength and cohesion, and moved in for the kill on the middle-aged political (and otherwise) haunches of 2012 Presidential candidate-to-be, Sarah Palin.
Ms. Palin, who apparently (mercifully) turned down, some time back, a purported multi-million dollar nude photo shoot to continue running with the Zionist satanic gangster elite…sensing a far bigger payday down the road. (If she was a 250 lb walking, homely dumpster of a woman, there would be no ‘Sarah Palin’ in this psychotically image-driven political freak show ‘culture.’
The shrewd, leveraged use of avowed Zionist and Israel-lover Palin to co-opt the Tea Party should come as no surprise to anyone.
For those who still practice the dying art of ‘memory,’ you’ll recall that shortly after she was installed as (designated loser) McCain’s Vice Presidential candidate, some felt that, as an outsider, Palin might actually be someone in the American political zoo who was not on bended knee to the de facto US Government in Tel Aviv.
As we all saw in short order, it didn’t take the Alaskan huntress long to show up in what might as well have been skull cap pasties declaring her undying loyalty (Read: ‘abject subservience’) to Zionist Israel and, by extension, the ultimate Jewish ‘God’s Eye’…the Rothschilds of the City of London.
THE ‘KINDA CUTE’ TEA PARTY MOVEMENT began as a loose affiliation of a smattering of noisy American individuals and groups united in their opposition to Obama’s socialist/communist/open immigration agenda.
For some reason (hmm), the Zionist press gave this quaint, growing amalgam of fairly numerous, small, regional Tea Party-associated coffee klatches some media play. Make no mistake, most of the Party members were and are sincere grassroots noisemakers.
Over the weeks, these often disparate little power centers eventually morphed into the “Tea Party Nation,” and (hmm) invited Ex-Gov Palin to be the keynote speaker at their “First National Tea Party Convention,” (as they billed it), in Nashville Tennessee, February 4-6, 2010.
For anyone even passively capable of remembering VP Candidate Sarah’s putrid declarations of fealty to Zion and Israel, the invitation to, and acceptance by, the one-time VP candidate should have stamped ‘Case Closed’ for the Tea Party movement then and there.
But who does real research anymore? A simple 10 minute examination of the Tea Party Nation’s actual background power brokers reveals heavy Jewish lobby interests deeply penetrated into the Tea Party organism. End of story. R.I.P.
IT’S A SIMPLE FACT OF POLITICAL LIFE in America that NO viable, honest political movement shall be permitted to take ten healthy breaths before being probed thoroughly and then taken over by the Zionist political machine…which makes Dr. Frankenstein’s lab success look like Mother Theresa.
Zionism – like a political Hydra – has tentacles firmly and terminally thrust into every major power center in America. We can now add to that sorry roster, the Tea Party ‘phenomenon.’
In fact, it would not surprise this writer, if the Tea Party blip on the radar was CREATED by Zionists for a little weekend fun to siphon off and control the palpable, if not truly formidable, discontent growing among the remaining semi-conscious sheeple grazing from sea to shining sea.
In the alternate, however, if the Tea Party movement was/is a genuine spasm of political anger – with even a remote chance of causing trouble to the status (Star of David) quo – it was immediately targeted for total control and usurpation by the Zionist masters when it began to force the Jewish media to cover it. (Hence the suggestion that the Tea Party populist ‘opposition’ may have been born of Zionism chicanery and manipulation in the first place.)
Savor this: Listed on the Tea Party Nation’s own Internet Home Site as one of its leading “Resources,” is the malignant Zionist, Jewish Neocon think tank, “The American Enterprise Institute,” which pushed the US into the illegal War Of Genocide in Iraq (two million Iraqi dead) and is currently propagandizing and demanding the (US) annihilation of Iran…to protect ‘brave little Israel’ – our only ‘democratic friend’ in the Middle East.
Next up in the chain of evidence of Zionist control of the Tea Party Nation, one finds as its leading sponsor and “featured Convention speaker,” Mr. Joseph Farah, publisher of World Net Daily, a RABID Pro-Israel Internet news and propaganda service.
AN UNABASHED lover of the racist, murderous, outlaw Zionist state of Israel and arch defender of its ongoing genocide of what remains of Palestine and its people, Mr. Farah joined ‘sweet’ Sarah on the national convention podium.
Palin, of course, has made it quite clear that ‘yesterday’ wouldn’t be too soon to obliterate 80 million Iranians (to feed the blood lust of Zion). Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News was also represented on the Tea Party rostrum in a joint speech with Mr. Farah – more below. Zionist money-hunter, Rep Michelle Bachman, was also on the scheduled speaker list.
Since resigning as Alaska’s governor last July and winning near goddess-like approval from the Jewish neocons’ foremost US-based character assassin and henchman, William Kristol, who called her resignation a“shrewd move,” Palin came out swinging (the melodrama begins) against Obama in her keynote address and singing out the Tea Party’s 3 core values: -1- Fiscal Responsibility -2- Constitutionally Limited Government -3- Free Markets (a grand Zionist advantage).
In their enraptured, near-carnal throes of enthusiasm for Sarah’s old-time keynote rant, genuine Tea Party zealots failed to realize that Palin is owned lock, stock, panty and bra by the Zionist Power Bloc. (The underlying, overt and subliminal sexual aspects of the marketing of Palin are obvious.)
With Palin-enablers like Zionist Jews Rupert Murdoch, Jacob Rothschild, William Kristol, and Randy Scheunemann, the Tea Party patriots who tried to roll out a genuine populist renewal of ‘Americanism’ will, instead, be getting yet another onslaught of Zionist skullduggery and hardcore Jewish tribalism housed behind the square-rimmed designer glasses, People Mag fodder, politically ‘fresh’ malignantly Zionist ‘Christian’ soccer mom.
IN SEEKING REVENGE FOR OBAMA’S ATTACKS on Faux News last year, Rupert Murdoch, owner of News Corporation, parent company of Fox Enterprises, has found an all-too willing accomplice (let’s genocide Iran) in patsy Palin.
If the ‘celebrity’ ex-Governor hopes to be America’s next teleprompter reader-in-chief, Sarah must now tout Rupert’s Zionist line which she will find as difficult to do as slipping on a pair of L’eggs panty hose, or pulling the trigger on a telescopically-sighted, and already dead elk or whatever other fur-covered mammal she decides to ‘drop’ for ‘sport.’ (Imagine the painted lips and the curled toes if this woman was allowed to give the order to ‘drop’ Iran.)
Murdoch, a full-fledged drooling Zionist, whose mother, Elizabeth Joy Greene, was the daughter of a wealthy Jewish family, (usually an oxymoron), brought his abiding interest and media spotlight to bear in full on Palin in mid-January 2010.
Fox News AND the Wall Street Journal, both owned by Murdoch’s News Corporation, featured Palin’s speech in a multiplicity of articles complete with a “splashy” WSJ Interactive Graphic Presentation on Palin. Most of America, of course, would have been happier with a photocopy of a TSA backscatter x-ray of the ex-Governor.
Just two weeks before her speech at the Tea Party ‘Convention’… Murdoch tabbed Palin as a Fox News “on-air contributor.”
If this was not enough, Rupert Murdoch bought, built, and installed, a TV studio in Palin’s home in Wasilla, Alaska, this past week so she could ‘contribute’ without the strain of transit to a local broadcast facility.
So, in sum, there is no argument, no question whatsoever, that big Zionist Murdoch money and influence now own Palin’s immediate and, perhaps, long-term future.
Sarah’s Zionist Jewish backers not only include rapacious Rupert and his News Corporation and well connected NY Jew, Arthur M. Siskind (Senior adviser to Murdoch), but none other than…drum roll…Jacob Rothschild, as well.
Follow this one: On the Board of Directors of Murdoch’s News Corporation, is one Andrew Knight, Chairman of J. Rothschild Capital Management Limited. (JRCML is a subsidiary of RIT Capital Partners whose Executive Director is “Lord” Jacob Rothschild.)
Murdoch has already appointed a start-up contingent of Zionist-Jewish advisers to guide, train, polish and manipulate Palin as she rolls down the tracks on the Zionist Express.
Advisers such as neocon Jews William Kristol, Dan Blumenthal (resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute), Randy Schuenemann (former foreign policy adviser to McCain) and Sam Schulman, (resident publicist for the American Enterprise Institute), are guaranteed to garner support for Palin from the well-heeled Jewish lobbies that rule America’s political life. View Palin’s Jewish Advisers Here, Here, Here, & Here.
“ISRAEL IS AMERICA’S CRITICAL ALLY,” declared ‘sweet’ Sarah Palin from the podium to loud and dutiful applause at the Tea Party Nation’s convention last week. Yes, friends, there is only one ‘critical ally’ of the United States of America…and the Zionist state of Israel is it.
Sporting a pin on her lapel with two flags — for Israel and the United States — Palin spewed a carefully orchestrated script designed to please and make glow the Jewish lobbyists monitoring her every word. Palin gave them just what they wanted to hear: “It’s time for tough action against the dangerous regime of Iran.” (Translation: “Let’s nuke the Persian creeps and let ‘God’ sort them out.” Although I highly doubt Palin knows the difference between Persian and Arab).
Already vetted by AIPAC even before McCain ‘chose’ her as his running mate in July 2008, Palin made sure that her AIPAC pedigree is 100% secure when she told the Tea Party Convention audience, “Our President spent a year reaching out to hostile regimes and dangerous dictators. Now Israel, a proven friend, questions the strength of our support.”
Palin, knowing which side of the toast the yellow stuff goes on, then delivered a shoe-in for MILLIONS in Jewish campaign money in an interview with her media owner…er, sponsor, Fox News, only one day after her Tea Party speech:
Fox News: “Can Obama be defeated in 2012?”
Sarah Palin: “Say Obama played the war card. Say he decided to declare war on Iran. Say he decided to really come out and do whatever he could to support Israel, which I would like him to do. That would change the dynamics.”
View Entire Story Here & Here.
If it’s WAR that Palin wants, then she will have no trouble getting the WAR-MONGERING Jewish lobbies and their partners in the Jewish-owned media to scream for bloody, genocidal war with her.
One wonders if the bona fide, authentic, Tea Party patriot faithful actually know what has happened to their dreams and hopes. The coup is over…it’s game, set and match to the Zionists…the Tea Party is now just another kosher media circus.
For More See: Are Palin’s Zionist Anti Iran Threats Aiming For WW III? Click Here
And: Convention Speeches: Palin Soars – McCain Shills & Grovels Click Here
And: Palin’s RNC Speech: Force Fed Zionism? Click Here
And: Palin’s Pastor Speaks About Israel Click Here
And: Neocons’ Zionist Master Plan Click Here
And: Open Letter To Sarah Palin Click Here
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Brother Nathanael @ February 15, 2010
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May I add that Sarah is the “Mother of all Israel/Jews”?
Sarah
By: Anton Marks
Sarah is found among the most prominent women of the Torah. Originally named Sarai, she was given the new name Sarah, meaning princess, after she had married Abraham. Sarah also means ‘mother of nations’. Every time someone called Sarah or anytime she introduced herself to someone she was making a statement of faith, calling herself the mother of many nations even before she had a child.
She later became the mother of Isaac, and through Isaac the grandmother of Jacob, who was renamed Israel. Sarah is therefore one of the ancestors of all of the Israelites.
“As for Sarai your wife, you are no longer to call her Sarai. Her name will be Sarah. I will bless her and will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her so that she will be the mother of nations. Kings of peoples will come from her.” (Genesis 17:15-16)
Sarah and Abraham left their home in Haran to travel in Canaan, because God promised to give them a land. For a time she and Abraham were in Egypt and they pretended to be brother and sister out of fear that Sarah’s beauty would incite the Egyptians to kill her husband.
Sarah lived ninety years of her life without bearing children, and, thinking it was her fault, asked Abraham to father a child (Ishmael) through their servant Hagar. God promised that Sarah too would bear a son and she laughed at the idea. Later she laughed for joy when her baby was born, and she named the child Isaac which means “he laughed.”
Sarah lived to the age of 127 years (the only instance in the Torah where the age of a woman is recorded), and died at Hebron, southwest of Jerusalem. Abraham bought a burial cave from the Hittites, and Sarah was interred there. Unlike millions of other ancient peoples however, Sarah was not forgotten or lost.
Eventually, Sarah’s tomb was expanded and used as a family burial place, including not only Abraham, but also for their son Isaac and his wife Rebecca, and then later their grandson Jacob (Israel) and his wife Leah. They all lie there to this day.
Today, we know the place as the Tomb of the Patriarchs. It continues to make headline news primarily due to the bitter struggle between the Jews and Muslims over its control. Both peoples hold the site as holy, often with deadly results.
http://www.hagshama.org.il/en/resources/view.asp?id=54
How horrible is Sarah Palin and her Jewish handlers?
Brother Nathanael here counts the ways.
So, so troubling!
Brother Nathanael,
I do now understand what you mean. Four years ago I would have not.
Three years ago I was “Sarah”!
I do not think most Christians are “Zionists”, they are just deceived as I was.
Three years ago I had an “awakening”, not sure why, but my eyes were opened to the so called “Jews”!
In most churches I have been too they say if not for the “Jews” we would not know
our Savior!
I say now bullsh*t!
My eyes have been opened to the “Ashkenazi” and I know their evil!
These Ashkenazi’s have promoted everything vile known to man.
Christians have been brainwashed to their true origins, satan!
Put the spot light on the “Talmud” the most evil book in humanity!
@ R.C. Christian –
Actually, the matriarch Sarah is the mother both of Jews and as surrogate mother through the concubine Hagar, the descendants of Ishmael, whom the Jews despise.
BUT IN THE TRUEST SENSE, because Christ said to Sarah, “In Isaac shall thy seed be called,” that is, THOSE WHO ARE BORN SUPERNATURALLY – CHRISTIANS – Sarah is the mother of the “Israel of God,” which is The Church.
+Brother Nathanael Kapner
Orthodox Christian
Sarah did not give birth to Ishmael?
Ismael’s mother was Hagar.
Brother Kapner I am curious about something.
I just found your website a few weeks ago!
What is an Orthodox Christian?
Is that a form of the Catholic church?
R.C. Christian,
You said:
May I add that Sarah is the “Mother of all Israel/Jews”?
Israel and ‘Jews’ are NOT synonymous.
Hebrews were not ‘Jews’… Moses was not a ‘Jew’. Neither Abraham, Isaac or Jacob were ‘Jews’.
Br. Nathanael,
Isn’t the Blessed Virgin Mary the Mother of the new nation of Israel – the Church – which was born in one day?
Thanks,
Joshua
Greetings in our Lord Jesus, Bro. Nathanael,
What a stunner of an article! Bravo! What started out as a great grassroots movement (Tea Party) certainly got hijacked.
I had no conscious idea Palin was so deep into it – but now nothing will be a surprise come elections.
Kudos to Dees.
He certainly picked up the “inner shicksa” of Palin in his graphics, didn’t he?
Greetings in our Lord Jesus, LillyWest:
Here is a link that will give you a good history of the Eastern Orthodox Church.
The Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church share the same ancient history and apostolic origins for about the first 1,000 years prior to what is called the Great Schism, symbolically dated as 1054.
The Orthodox Church
An Introduction
http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/general/orthodoxy.aspx
“The Orthodox Church is a family of “autocephalous” (self governing) churches, with the Ecumenical (= universal) Patriarch of Constantinople holding titular or honorary primacy as primus inter pares (the first among equals). The Orthodox Church is not a centralized organization headed by a pontiff.
The unity of the Church is rather manifested in common faith and communion in the sacraments and no one but Christ himself is the real head of the Church. The number of autocephalous churches has varied in history.
Today there are many: the Church of Constantinople (Istanbul), the Church of Alexandria (Egypt), the Church of Antioch (with headquarters in Damascus, Syria), and the Churches of Jerusalem, Russia, Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria, Georgia, Cyprus, Greece, Poland, Albania and America.
“There are also “autonomous” churches (retaining a token canonical dependence upon a mother see) in Czech and Slovak republic, Sinai, Crete, Finland, Japan, China and Ukraine. In addition there is also a large Orthodox Diaspora scattered all over the world and administratively divided among various jurisdictions (dependencies of the above mentioned autocephalous churches).
The first nine autocephalous churches are headed by patriarchs, the others by archbishops or metropolitans. These titles are strictly honorary as all bishops are completely equal in the power granted to them by the Holy Spirit.”
Well it is true that the Democrats have no aversion to Zionists or communists, in fact they covet them.
But on the other hand the Neocons and the Republican party are no better they are much similar.
It didn’t take long for them to send in the closet Palin to take down the Tea Party.
If Americans were not sickened recently with that, they ought to be about what Obama is now doing.
He is signing away the sovereignty of USA. HE will be coming for your semi auto guns as well as your pistols.
Americans will either buck up and do what is necessary or you may as well dig your grave.
Since around 1880 it would not be possible to know what JEW means.
IT can even mean today for example Faker as the Khazars are fakers they are not real Jews.
Soon they will openly run America because the leaders of America have committed treason for a long time now.
And money can buy an American pretty easily and it wouldn’t take much – a brief case full of freshly minted paper will buy most senators and congressmen.
And the worse part is they just print it up like monopoly money. It costs them nothing to bribe the whole Govt.
America today is a seething bed of Satan.
The Barbarians are in the city and it’s burning out of control.
Obama is the closer, and he will close it, too.
When he is done America will be reduced to a NAFTA basket case who takes orders from a panel of Mexicans and Canadians who will out number the Americans on that panel.
Sarah Palin her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
The woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.
The mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. She will control the true Saints in America!
Everyone’s gotten Brainwashed and destroying the true America Saints.
Awake, Awake American Saints! So no vote for Sarah Palin.
Absolute Proof More Modern Jews Not Biblical Israelites:
The 13th Tribe’ by Arthur Koestler (suicided by Mossad) explains the creation of the
European Khazar/Ashkenazi Jews who are descended from Huns, not semitic peoples.
From Dick Eastman
2-15-10
Arthur Koestler and his wife were killed by Mossad shortly after releasing this book. As expected, The Thirteenth Tribe caused a stir when published in 1976, since it demolishes ancient racial and ethnic dogmas. At the height of the controversy in 1983, the lifeless bodies of Arthur Koestler and his wife were found in their London home. Despite significant inconsistencies, the police ruled their death a suicide. Another Mossad ‘suicide’…
The Thirteenth Tribe
By Arthur Koestler
THE KHAZAR EMPIRE AND ITS HERITAGE
This book traces the history of the ancient Khazar Empire, a major but almost forgotten power in Eastern Europe, which in the Dark Ages became converted to Judaism. Khazaria was finally wiped out by the forces of Genghis Khan, but evidence indicates that the Khazars themselves migrated to Poland and formed the cradle of Western Jewry. . .
The Khazars’ sway extended from the Black Sea to the Caspian, from the Caucasus to the Volga, and they were instrumental in stopping the Muslim onslaught against Byzantium, the eastern jaw of the gigantic pincer movement that in the West swept across northern Africa and into Spain.
In the second part of this book, “The Heritage,” Mr. Koestler speculates about the ultimate faith of the Khazars and their impact on the racial composition and social heritage of modern Jewry. He produces a large body of meticulously detailed research in support of a theory that sounds all the more convincing for the restraint with which it is advanced.
Yet should this theory be confirmed, the term “anti-Semitism” would become void of meaning, since, as Mr. Koestler writes, it is based “on a misapprehension shared by both the killers and their victims. The story of the Khazar Empire, as it slowly emerges from the past, begins to look like the most cruel hoax which history has ever perpetrated.”
ISBN 0-394-40284-7
http://www.christusrex.org/ www2/koestler/
Where do the Ashkenazi Jews come from?
The Thirteenth Tribe
The Khazar Empire and its Heritage
By Arthur Koestler
This book traces the history of the ancient Khazar Empire, a major but almost forgotten power in Eastern Europe, which in A.D. 740 converted to Judaism. Khazaria, a conglomerate of Aryan Turkic tribes, was finally wiped out by the forces of Genghis Han, but evidence indicates that the Khazars themselves migrated to Poland and formed the cradle of Western (Ashkenazim) Jewry…
The Khazars’ sway extended from the Black sea to the Caspian, from the Caucasus to the Volga, and they were instrumental in stopping the Muslim onslaught against Byzantium, the eastern jaw of the gigantic pincer movement that in the West swept across northern Africa and into Spain.
Thereafter the Khazars found themselves in a precarious position between the two major world powers: the Eastern Roman Empire in Byzantium and the triumphant followers of Mohammed. As Arthur Koestler points out, the Khazars were the Third World of their day, and they chose a surprising method of resisting both the Western pressure to become Christian and the Eastern to adopt Islam. Rejecting both, they converted to Judaism.
The second part of Mr. Koestler’s book deals with the Khazar migration to Polish and Lithuanian territories, caused by the Mongol onslaught, and their impact on the racial composition and social heritage of modern Jewry. He produces a large body of meticulously detailed research in support of a theory that sounds all the more convincing for the restraint with which it is advanced.
Mr. Koestler concludes: “The evidence presented in the previous chapters adds up to a strong case in favour of those modern historians – whether Austrian, Israeli or Polish – who, independently from each other, have argued that the bulk of modern Jewry is not of Palestinian, but of Caucasian origin.
The mainstream of Jewish migrations did not flow from the Mediterranean across France and Germany to the east and then back again. The stream moved in a consistently westerly direction, from the Caucasus through the Ukraine into Poland and thence into Central Europe.
When that unprecedented mass settlement in Poland came into being, there were simply not enough Jews around in the west to account for it, while in the east a whole nation was on the move to new frontiers” ( page 179, page 180).
“The Jews of our times fall into two main divisions: Sephardim and Ashkenazim.
The Sephardim are descendants of the Jews who since antiquity had lived in Spain (in Hebrew Sepharad) until they were expelled at the end of the fifteenth century and settled in the countries bordering the Mediterranean, the Balkans, and to a lesser extent in Western Europe. They spoke a Spanish-Hebrew dialect, Ladino, and preserved their own traditions and religious rites. In the 1960s, the number of Sephardim was estimated at 500,000.
The Ashkenazim, at the same period, numbered about eleven million. Thus, in common parlance, Jew is practically synonymous with Ashkenazi Jew.” ( page 181).
In Mr. Koestler’s own words, “The story of the Khazar Empire, as it slowly emerges from the past, begins to look like the most cruel hoax which history has ever perpetrated.”
The history of the Ashkenazi Jews was widely known and appreciated in the former Soviet Union. Ashkenazi militants traced the area where the Turkic Khazars originated before their migration to Southern Russia to Birobidjan, an Eastern Siberian area as big as Switzerland bordered by the Amur river, by China and Mongolia.
Around 1928 they started building settlements with the Soviet government’s help and in 1934 the Autonomous Republic (Okrug) of Birobidjan Yevrei came into being with official languages of Yiddish and Russian. It is still there as an Autonomous Republic to this day, offering the only historically legitimate settlement area for Ashkenazi Jews willing to exercise their “right to return”…
Mr. Koestler was an Ashkenazi Jew and took pride in his Khazar ancestry. He was also a very talented and successful writer who published over 25 novels and essays. His most successful book, Darkness at Noon, was translated in thirty-three languages.
As expected, The Thirteenth Tribe caused a stir when published in 1976, since it demolishes ancient racial and ethnic dogmas…At the height of the controversy in 1983, the lifeless bodies of Arthur Koestler and his wife were found in their London home. Despite significant inconsistencies, the police ruled their death a suicide…Another Mossad “suicide”!
Map of the Khazar Empire
The Lord’s Prayer in the Khazar language
PART ONE: RISE AND FALL OF THE KHAZARS
I – RISE
II – CONVERSION
III – DECLINE
IV – FALL
PART II – THE HERITAGE
V – EXODUS
VI – WHERE FROM ?
VII – CROSS-CURRENTS
VIII – RACE AND MYTH
APPENDICES
APPENDIX I – A NOTE ON SPELLING
APPENDIX II – A NOTE ON SOURCES
APPENDIX III – THE “KHAZAR CORRESPONDENCE”
APPENDIX IV – SOME IMPLICATIONS – ISRAEL AND THE DIASPORA
REFERENCES
SELECTED BIBLIOGRAPHY
INDEX
http://www.biblebelievers.org. au/13trindx.htm
THE KHAZAR EMPIRE AND ITS HERITAGE
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What the Critics have to say:
** Finally Available To ALL – Absolute Historical Proof that Jews are not Israelites.
** Research Proves “Jews” are non-Israelite Asiatics.
** DATELINE U.S.A. (1977) — In 1976 Random House published a book that should have hit the Christian Churches like a blockbuster, but instead they chose totally to ignore it. It dealt with the racial origin of the people in Communist and Christian countries who call themselves “Jews,” and whom the Churches (and the Jews themselves) generally insist are “God’s Chosen People,” the Israelite descendants of Abraham.
Since the late 1800’s a small number of Bible Scholars, who were also students of History and Racial origins, have insisted the Church denominations were wrong; that instead of being Israelites, these Jews from Eastern Europe and Western Asia were descended from Mongolians and other Asiatic peoples who had adopted Judaism as their “religion” over 1,000 years ago and had become know as “Jews.” These Bible scholars were ignored or condemned, and often called “cultists” or “anti-Semites.”
** Now, after many years of research, a well-known Jewish author, Arthur Koestler has published a 255 page book titled THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE in which he proves the same point; i.e. that these Eastern European “Jews” are neither Israelites nor “Semites,” but are instead Khazars, Mongols, and Huns!
Most major newspapers and magazines reviewed the book during 1976. Also, Random House, the publisher, advertised it extensively and began some of their ads with the following headline: WHAT IF MOST JEWS AREN’T REALLY SEMITES AT ALL? In addition, Random House quoted the following reviews:
** “Mr. Koestler’s excellent book…Is as readable as it is thought-provoking. Nothing could be more stimulating than the skill, elegance and erudition with which he marshals his facts and develops his theories…” Fitzroy Maclean, New York Times Book Review.
** “You do not have to be Jewish to be interested… Are today’s Western Jews really ethnic, Semitic, Biblical Jews, or are most of them descendants of converted Khazars?…This compact, interesting book…examines tragic-ironic implications in [this question] for modern history…It should fascinate.” –Edmund Fuller, Wall Street Journal
** “Koestler marshals the evidence in a clear and convincing way. He tells a good story, pulling together materials from medieval Muslims and Jewish travelers, scholarly controversy and the mysterious lore of the Khazars.” –Raymond Sokolov, Newsweek
** Robert Kirsch of the Los Angeles Times stated in his lengthy review that ‘Arthur Koestler publicizes with his customary skills a daring hypothesis: that THE KHAZAR JEWS MIGRATED TO POLAND AND BECAME THE FOREBEARS OF EASTERN EUROPEAN JEWRY…’
Then Kirsch quoted Prof. A. N. Poliak of Tel Aviv University, who stated that “The large majority of world Jewry is descended from the Jews of Khazaria.” Then he again quoted Koestler in THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE, “If so, this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan but from the Volga; not from Canaan but from the Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race; and that GENETICALLY THEY ARE MORE RELATED TO THE HUN, UIGUR, AND MAGYAR TRIBES THAN TO THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB…” (emphasis added)
We cannot stress enough how absolutely imperative it is for all Christian Americans to consider the startling proof in Arthur Koestler’s book that today’s Jews are not Israelites. The Jewish influence on American life has reached such a stage that no student of contemporary history can ignore it.
Not only the news media are Jewish monopolies, but top positions in the U.S. government are largely filled by Eastern European Jews. The magazine and book publishing houses are in Jewish hands; and movies, television, and the other entertainment industries are dominated by Jews in all phases. America’s government and most of her people’s sources of information are controlled and directed by Jews.
If these people were really “God’s Chosen People,” perhaps Americans would have little cause for concern — BUT WHAT IF THEY ARE REALLY THE “HUNS” AND THEREFORE THE ANCIENT ENEMIES OF CHRISTENDOM? Since many Americans may not have an opportunity to read Koestler’s book, we shall herewith submit our own index-style review.
THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE
Reviewed by Pastor Sheldon Emry
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Khazars adopt Judaism as their religion in A.D. 740.
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Majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Refers to 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia and A. N. Poliak, Professor, Medieval Jewish History, Tel Aviv University.
17
Jews more closely related to Hun, Uigur, and Magyrs than to the seed of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
18
Khazars exacted tribute from subject peoples.
20
Identified them with the hosts of Gog and Magog.
22
German word Ketzer is our word for Khazar and means heretic or Jew.
23
Khazars were with Attila the Hun in 4th century.
37-39
Some were phallic worshipers, killed anyone thought to be extra intelligent and called it an offering to god.
46
Quotes 1,000-year-old Arab historian, “The Khazars and their King are all Jews…some are of the opinion that Gog and Magog are the Khazars.”
47-50
Khazars were re-exporters of foreign goods, middlemen, inspectors of trade, goldsmiths, and silversmiths; and they exacted 10% tax on all trade.
59-63
Jews fled Rome and Greece to Khazaria to avoid forced conversion to Christianity. They adopted Islam when forced, repudiating it when safe.
72
Khazar King, in a letter, traced his people in Togarma and Japheth, the ancestors of all the Turkish tribes.
81
In A.D. 864 a monk wrote “there exists a people under the sky in regions where no Christians can be found, whose name is Gog and Magog, and who are Huns; among them is one called Gazari [Khazari?], who are circumcised and observe Judaism in its entirety.”
93
Russian communists tried to hide Khazar-Jewish connection!
95-132
History of breaking up of Khazar Empire and integration of these Jews into Russia, Poland, etc.
135
Khazar kingdom known as a kingdom of “Red” Jews.
141
Khazars joined Ghengis Khan and retained their Judaism.
145
Interchangeable names –Khazar, Zhid (or Yid), and Jew
151
Majority of Jews in Middle Ages were Khazars.
152-154
Jews were mintmasters, royal treasurers, tax collectors, and money lenders. Principal source of income was foreign trade and the levying of customs dues and they practiced communal life.
159-161
They lost the name of Khazars and became known as Jews. During Dark Ages commerce largely in Jewish hands, including slave trade.
163-167
During Crusades whole families and towns of Jews committed suicide rather than accept Christianity.
167-171
Proves only a handful of Sephardim Jews were in Europe so the vast majority of Jews today are Khazar in origin.
172-174
Gives origin of Yiddish language. It is NOT Hebrew!
178
“The Jewish dark ages may be said to begin with the Renaissance.” (Reviews comment: This remark by the Jew Cecil Roth, coupled with other information, is a sorrowful admission that the Jews were supreme in the Dark Ages but lost their dominion over Europe when the Light of God’s Word brought about the Renaissance!)
180-199
Quotes from many sources to prove Jews NOT descended from Biblical Israelites, ending with this, …evidence from anthropology concurs with history in refuting the popular belief in a Jewish race descended from the biblical tribe.
200-222
Refers to others who have written on the same subject.
223
Israeli’s right to exist…not based on…the…covenant of Abraham with God; it is based on international law — i.e., on the United Nations’ decision of 1947. . .
224-226
Koestler ends his book by saying he believes many Jews have learned of their Khazar ancestry and now reject the Chosen-Race doctrine.
THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE proves beyond doubt that modern Jews are not Biblical Israelites. Every church member in America should insist that his Pastor investigate these claims. Are our Jewish politicians, publishers, movie makers, and opinion molders God’s “Chosen People”? Or are they Mongol and Hun infiltrators of Christendom?
Is The Jews’ “Chosen People” Masquerade Finally Over?
Shortly after World War I, Henry Ford, founder of the Ford Motor Company, assembled a staff of experts in Detroit to conduct research on the European Jews who had been entering America in large numbers since the 1880’s.
Ford provided the staff with several million dollars for this research, and in 1923 he published the results in a four-volume work titled “THE INTERNATIONAL JEW.” It was Henry Ford’s conclusion that very few of these people who called themselves “Jews” were descendants of the Bible Israelites.
Ford further proved that these Jews, using all sorts of crimes while under the cloak of being the Chosen People of the Bible, were rapidly taking economic and political control of America. In the religious field, Ford claimed THE JEWS HAD SECRETLY GAINED CONTROL OF MOST PROTESTANT SEMINARIES AND CHRISTIAN BOOK- PUBLISHING HOUSES and had been able to remove almost all criticism of Jews from Christian literature.
In summing up his findings, Henry Ford stated, “The Jews are not the Chosen People, though practically the entire Church has succumbed to the propaganda which declares them to be so.” Ford’s book caused a furor for a few years but soon disappeared from colleges, universities, and public libraries and became unobtainable at any price.
The Churches continued to teach “The Jews are God’s Chosen People, Israel,” and the (by then) Jewish-dominated news media began to refer to Jews always as Israelites. Anyone opposing the increasing Jewish control of the nations was immediately branded “anti-Semitic;” and Jewish dominated Seminaries taught new ministers to quote Genesis 12:1-3 and sternly warn their flocks that anyone speaking unfavorably of the Jews would be “cursed by God.” Jewish control of American society, politics, and religions continued to increase.
In 1951 retired U.S. Military Intelligence Officer, Col. John Beaty, published a scholarly 265-page book IRON CURTAIN OVER AMERICA. In it Col. Beaty gave overwhelming evidence this strange Race of Eastern European “Jews” were actually Khazar and Mongol Asiatics and had no racial ancestory in Israel at all.
He then proved that by 1951 these “Jews” had a stranglehold on American politics, on Banking and Credit, on all sources of news, on the entertainment industry, on America’s education system, and that they were the predominant race as judges, lawyers, doctors, and in organized crime.
The Jewish news media refused to review the book, Jewish book dealers refused to handle it, Christian book stores ignored it, and only a few thousand copies were distributed. Most Americans never heard of IRON CURTAIN OVER AMERICA. Now, because of renewed interest, both THE INTERNATIONAL JEW (in an abridged edition) and IRON CURTAIN OVER AMERICA have been reprinted and are available. (See ordering information below).
The latest, and perhaps the most succinct book on this subject, is ISRAEL’S $5 TRILLION DOLLAR SECRET by Col. Curtis B. Dall, former son-in-law of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and a personal acquaintance of many high officials in the U.S. Govern ment since the 1930’s.
Col. Dall lives and works in the Washington, D. C. area, and his book, published in 1977. Col. Dall proves again, from reliable sources, that the Jews are NOT Israelites. In fact, Col. Dall calls their masquerade as “Israel” the greatest “hoax” of the last centuries! It should be read by every non-Jew.
You now know their false identity as “Israel” protects these “Jews” from being exposed as aliens and as anti-Americans. Read the books below. Give this sheet to your Minister. Tell him to preach the truth – or resign! Most preaching today is based on the “Jew-Israel” myth, and it is false.
“Fear them not therefore; for there is nothing covered that shall not be revealed: and hid, that shall not be known. What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye on the housetops” (Jesus, in Matthew 10:26,27).
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SHE WILL BRING TOTAL DESTRUCTION TO AMERICA, GOD HELP US ALL.
The Jews are the descendents of Judah, whose father Abraham also had eleven other sons, who were Judah’s brothers.
The Jews saw themeselves superior to all other human beings, including their eleven other brothers.
The Levites are not Jews because their father wasn’t Judah, it was Levi.
Zionism and the Zionists are terrorists far more dangerous than Al Qaeda. But understand this: To be a member of Zionism, you do not need to be a Jew.
The Zionists can be defeated as Abraham Lincoln defeated them for a short while before he was killed. The center of the Zionist power machine is the Federal Reserve System – their power to issue money.
Take that away from them and have the United States government issue its own money debt free – as Abraham Lincoln did – and its the kiss of death to the Zionist control over the American people and the United States government.
Until then, you’re all still slaves of Jews.
Will everyone who reads this site please make a donation?
It can’t run on thin air.
A voice from downunder ( Australia ).
Michael Hoffman on Palin:
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2010/02/suckers-for-palin.html
You nailed it!
I knew that Sarah Palin was just trying to hijack the Tea Party movement when she made her speech at their convention.
I have been posting comments all over youtube warning the sheep that she will undermine the movement since she’s just part of the problem.
Unfortunately the vast majority of US voters (and tea party activists) aren’t sophisticated enough to see what’s happening with Palin and her Jewish, Israel-first financiers.
David,
I agree that the Republicans are no different than the Democrats. Each of us has to accept history & accept that there will always be a TROJAN HORSE in our midst & just move forward with our mission in life. We cannot waste our time weeding them out because that takes away from our mission.
I do suggest that everyone read that new, underground book just out about a small town in America that stands up to federal tyranny & ends up starting the 2nd American Revolution. It’s a must read cause it could be that you & me are now being called to fulfill our destiny in history.
“Stay on Target” & remember, “it’s We the People, not you the government!”
http://www.booksbyoliver.com
Well, All I can say to the tea party is “You’ve been had!” Har, har, har.
They don’t even know what has been perpetrated upon them. What a sad lot, the whole bunch. I’m going to have to inform the Campaign for Liberty people as I am a member, they should no longer support the Tea Party or the Zionist whore Sarah Palin.
Gag, retch, urp. She makes me ill. I could say a lot of things about Palin but I resist as I need to stay within the boundaries of decency here for Bro. Nathanael.
Suffice to say, the Zionists are using the same technique as Stalin did. Eliminate the opposition by controlling it.
Stellar work Brother!
Don’t dispare people, I know it seems that every time something good comes along the Zionists swoop in and ruin it. Brother Nat and others do a great job exposing this trickery, but of course it could have the effect of one saying “I give up, we just can’t win, they control everything and are to powerful to fight.”
This is the reason Alex Jones and the other compromised sites exist!
The Jews WANT us to believe how “powerful” they are and how they can “control” the world.
It is this very arrogance that is their Achilles heel. Once the veil is off these actions are PLAINLY seen for what they are.
Thanks to Brother Nat more veils are being lifted each day, the cat is out of the bag and a WORLDWIDE awakening is taking place.
To those who know, Palin looks quite the clown. She will continue to self-destruct and the tea party will lose any creditable members and be seen as another media creation.
Man oh man –
The Goyim create a movement which will eventually, ultimately end up as a war against Zionism & the pseudoJew (if left to itself). Then just as it gets moving, the J’mafia step in and plant one of their ASSETS into a leadership position within the organization itself. What was that saying? “If you want to destroy opposition, lead it” or something like that.
Sarah Palin, though pretty (I guess), is pretty much a simpleton. Any interview I’ve heard of hers had me cringing in embarrassment for her and for those who naively support her. Apart from her Zionist, PseudoJewish affiliations…apart from her willingness to be a shill & traitor…she’s about as dumb as they can put out.
GWB was a beacon of profundity compared to this witless twit.
I’m not trying to be mean-spirited here, she is just that bad. Her lies and attempts at misdirection are the smartest thing about her, and they are COMPLETELY see-through!
I wish to God that we could just all have a good laugh at her (like I wished we could have had over Obama or Bush) and just move along, knowing they would never stand a chance. But that is just not the case: The American public ate up George W, Obama & God-forbid, Sarah Palin….it is almost as though America DESERVES these dolts for their leadership!
Stop watching your bloody T.Vs you nitwits! Open a book, do some crossword puzzles, eat healthier and get some exercise & learn about the world around you as being JUST as relevant as your own country.
STOP VOTING entirely. There is Zero point in voting: NONE WHATSOEVER. There is no such thing as the “lesser of two evils” in American Politics. AIPAC (& the rest of the Jewish Lobby) OWN the political process.
It is LONG OVERDUE & time you rose up (not just like a teaparty) but REALLY rose up! This is FAR more important than the civil war! NOBODY can come do it for you. Organize and publicize, recruit and exterminate those who try to infiltrate.
You have to do something…if not, the entire world will erupt under the lust of the pseudo-Jew as he gains more and more control.
Wake up your neighbors and relatives about all of this and PROVE IT. It’s easy to do.
Show ownership and top jobs in Media, politics, commerce (hell, go beyond that even to every major sphere of influence – entertainment, education, internet etc etc) and REVEAL the TRUTH.
We should be a nation of either Christians, Zeus, Odin or Jupiter worshipers, Celtic or even Native paganism…but we should NEVER, under ANY circumstance be Jew-friendly in the least!
Jews have ONLY done us harm with their Usury, Christ-killing, Perversions, secretive hate for us Goyim…as their Talmud tells them to etc.
I don’t care if you want to dance around a fire singing & worshiping the stars above, this is YOUR right as an American…but when you adhere to or support someone of the Talmud faith, you betray your people, our nation, our faith and all that is good.
Don’t you see people?
These are the villians, they ARE the “Jews who are not, but do Lie!” as foretold in the book of Revelation. They are the product of SAuroN, SAtaN or SArumaN…don’t show prejudice, but by all means DO show DISCRIMINATION! They are NOT the same thing no matter what you’ve been taught.
Pick up those dirty Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion which have “been proven to be a forgery” and see what is therein; compare that to what THESE “Jews” are doing today and since those were written.
I don’t know if “Christ’s return” is imminent or not; not that I’d wish to delay that really…maybe he’ll set things straight…but we can not know that this is what is going on. It is cowardice to do so. We must band together and work towards the end of the traitors and usurpers once and for all. If Christ should tarry, we’ll know we made the world a better place; if he comes, then he’ll sort it all out.
Arise champions, Arise and organize. No time to lose your heads and run amok; organize! Spread your knowledge and BOMBARD the earth with it as though they were seeds of TRUTH planted within a garden of lies!
Have you not noticed on the forums and comment sections how there are increased numbers of people with opening eyes? Be wary lest a PseudoJew should gain control over these “awakenings”.
Be relentless in your onslaught and tear down THEIR Idols!
Where are my manners –
Welcome to the site Lilly West.
Another good article, thank you Brother.
I have looked for a solution to this Zionist madnesss that the world is experiencing. As you all know the world has no place safe from corruption and the corporation. The solution is a Titles of Nobility Amendment I feel, such as the one proposed and ratified 200 years ago (the true 13th Amendment).
The way I see it is if Americans cannot support a TONA that fights against corruption then we have already lost.
Please support TONA2009 and all TONA legislation.
Here is a copy of the proposed TONA2009 Amenement.
“If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, foreign power, or secret society, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.” http://www.tona2009.com
We the people will struggle against the usurpers until their citizenship and powers are taken away. Our foundations of our Republic will never be strong if we allow people to undermine our works.
Once again brother good job.
Sincerely,
T.S. Kamen
indigenousamerican.blogspot.com
THIS IS THE REALLY SCARY PART ABOUT SARAH PALIN:
“Sarah Palin has spent more than two and a half decades of her life as a member of an Alaska church which is part of a fanatical Christian-named cult project that is sweeping across America.
“Palin comes out of the most radical stream of US Born-Again Evangelism known as ‘Joel’s Army,’ an offshoot of what is called Dominionism and sometimes also called the Latter Rain cult or Manifest Sons of God.”
Another spin, Sarah Palin is not the mother of Israel, she’s too stupid.
Sarah Palin is a plant, they will use her stupidity to destoy Iran (which will turn out to be the biggest Holocaust in history). Then they ( media, Zionist) will make her look like an idiot, tom-boy, butcher.
This will be perfect timing to bring in another plant for president, “HE” will be a Jew and “HE” will likely be the ANTICHRIST.
Israeli director Yoav Shamir embarks on a provocative – and at times irreverent – quest to answer the question, “What is anti-Semitism today?”
Does it remain a dangerous and immediate threat?
Or is it a scare tactic used by right-wing Zionists to discredit their critics?
Speaking with an array of people from across the political spectrum (including the head of the Anti-Defamation League and its fiercest critic, author Norman Finkelstein) and traveling to places like Auschwitz (alongside Israeli school kids) and Brooklyn (to explore reports of violence against Jews), Shamir discovers the realities of anti-Semitism today.
His findings are shocking, enlightening and – surprisingly – often wryly funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TIrCoxN5O4&feature=player_embedded
Sarah Palin is of Khazar (Ashkenazic) “Jewish” descent.
Thanks for the very informative article.
It’s very, VERY simple. All you need to know about Palin is the fact that she was selected by Kissinger to be McCain’s so-called running mate. Period.
Bro – you are – as ALWAYS – 100% on target!
This treasonous woman is as dangerous as she is evil. MAKE NO MISTAKE! She has no Christian ethics – no traditional loyalties and is the quintessentail ‘DOMESTIC ENEMY!’ Like the commercial says: “SO SIMPLE – EVEN A CAVE MAN CAN FIGURE IT OUT!”
When this airhead redneck country-selling dullard witless moron imbecile sorry excuse for a woman -first reared her ugly medussa/Janus head – I pegged her for what she in FACT – WAS – a political whore! I even caught some flack from fellow patriots who for some reason hadn’t seen the obvious!
To call Palin a piece of crap – is a cruel insult to real feces. She is a Godless soulless animatronic sock-puppet ‘ambitious’ demon and poses a REAL danger to American freedoms and security. Hopefully even brain-sharing sheeple are now beginning to connect the basketball sized ‘dots.’
Here is that article that caused so much contraversy a year and a half ago. I got about 50 responses – some critical of my condemnation of this ‘sincere clean-cut all-AmeriKan soccer mom’. Like Bro Nathanael – I ALWAYS do my ‘homework’ before exposing some treasonous puke. She IS a MONSTER and she knows exactly what treason she supports!
AN ‘OPEN LETTER’ TO GOP VP NOMINEE SARAH PALIN FROM A FORMER GREEN BERET & AMERICAN PATRIOT
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September 23, 2008 – 6:27 pm
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Regarding your shameless irresponsible diatribe of canned Zionist propaganda of 22 Sept 08:
I, and MILLIONS like me are sick to death of the duplicity and treason. You took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America and you have violated that oath in favor of loyalty to a foreign power – the ONLY such country to have – BY PUREST LEGAL DEFINITION – to have committed an ACT OF WAR AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA in the last half century.
You even display the flag of that criminal country proudly in your office. Have you no shame? Will your next oath be with your hand on the Talmud?
How DARE YOU insult world leaders with your canned Zionist hate speech. Your ignorance of international history and foreign affairs is an embarrassment to all of us who know the truth.
You do not have a clue lady – – NOT A CLUE! The ONLY legitimate “ OUTRAGE” here is that of informed mature persons like myself who are forced to endure your childish outbursts of abysmal ignorance and your pathetic parroting of predictable Zionist Jew racist hatred. Until I had actually read this disgusting diatribe of outright putrid lies and purposeful disinformation, I thought it impossible for a professing Christian and VP nominee to conduct themselves in such an irresponsible manner.
I have female friends in several Mid-East countries that would just shake their heads in dismay. Do you have any idea how foolish you sound when you make rash idiotic statements like Iranian women are beaten or killed for not covering their hair?
Your comments are direct from Zionist propaganda and are third world jokes today. I can still remember when oyster-brained Baptists in THIS country actually believed it when their red-neck moron pastors told them that Catholic Priests had cloven hooves and worshipped idols.
I don’t care if you want to make a fool our of your self personally – but STOP making people in my country look like brain-sharing imbeciles to other nations! Our international reputation is at an all time low as it is. You are an embarrassment to those of us who are educated. Jews are MASTER liars and consummate deceivers and have been since ‘day one’.
Ask your Zionist pastor to read ALOUD in CHURCH the words of condemnation of the Jews by our lord regarding LIES – IF he has the honesty = John 8 verses 42-44.
How DARE you speak of terrorists murdering civilians in the Mid East – you lying hypocrite! The only REAL terrorists there today that are INDEED murdering HUGE numbers of civilians – mostly helpless children are the IDF and our own military. I have hunted REAL terrorists and know what REAL terrorists are. Child killers like your son, Mrs. Palin are the REAL terrorists.
I trained over a thousand young men your son’s age long before he was born, and I pray to God that none of them turned out to be the child murderers that are WELL DOCUMENTED in today’s ‘new improved’ – ‘Army strong’ mindless killers. My conscience is clean.
You Madam, are inciting murder and even worse – something that your intellectually challenged brain obviously can’t quite grasp. Your diatribe of hate has furnished the murderous Jew Mossad thugs with the possible incentive to commit murder via a ‘Montage’ operation as it is called in the intelligence community.
It is also called a false flag operation and has been committed by the Jews on more than one occasion to divert guilt from themselves to one of their enemies. An actual example of the many they have attempted in the past – the scenario goes something like this:
An unarmed intelligence ship – of the US Navy – -Let’s call her the USS LIBERTY – kind of a nice American ring to it – like our Liberty Bell. She is on duty in international waters. Lets say that it is in the Med and is gathering information on war crimes committed by the Jews. The self-chosen don’t want the world to discover what animals they really are – so they, the IsraHELL government, launch an all out attack – air, sea and land forces (air cav) to murder the entire crew – sink the ship and thus make ALL of the evidence of their murder disappear.
Fortunately – the brave little ship somehow stays afloat despite being raked by thousands of rounds of cannon and machine-gun fire – bombs – napalm – all life boats AND radio antenna purposely destroyed and even torpedoes ripping house size holes in the ship – she manages to stay afloat – most of the crew burned alive or blown to bits.
The cunning Jews had planned on blaming the murderous attack on the Arabs but alas – those pesky surviving American sailors managed to keep their ship afloat. Unfortunately the tragic story does not have a happy or even JUST ending – YET!
The Jews are NOTORIOUS for committing this type of crime with their cunning and their “by deceit we wage” war motto. Rather fitting for the Jew mind anyway. What is so horrible about your stupidity is that you may have enabled the murder of Elected President Ahmadinejhad of the Republic of Iran along with God only knows how many other innocent human beings.
This man is the ELECTED PRESIDENT of a FREE REPUBLIC, and if you had an ounce of class or education or integrity – you might set an example for our children to NOT act like a thug of illiterate street whore and at least address him with the respect of the title – since you know NOTHING about him other than the lies your have been spoon fed by your masters upon whose buttocks you so eagerly press your lips in subservience.
That is – PRESIDENT – Ahmadinejhad to you lady. IF you would want respect for yourself – show it to those elected officials who have earned it. That man has NEVER DONE ANYTHING BAD TO YOU OR ANY DECENT AMERICAN – he is not a drunk or an alcoholic – he is NOT a liar – he is not a traitor to his own country – and he is not a CONFIRMED war criminal – as IS our disgraceful President – so start acting like someone in your substantial position and not like a liberal ‘biker bitch’.
May I remind you that it was NOT The Iranians the Iraqis the Afghans or ANY OTHER Arab people who PURPOSELY murdered our sons on the USS LIBERTY – it was the JEWS.
May I remind you that it was not the Arabs who sold our country out to the Communists in the biggest act of treason in history – ultimately costing MILLIONS OF INNOCENT CHRISTIAN LIVES – it was the JEWS.
May I remind you that it was NOT the Arabs who got us into WWII – it was the JEWS. May I remind you that it was not the Arabs who got us into WWI – it was the Jews.
May I remind you that it was not the Arabs who threw God out of our classrooms – it was the JEWS.
May I remind you that it was not the Arab people who made the murder of some 40 MILLION innocent babies possible – it was the JEWS.
May I remind you that it was not the Arab people who have elevated violence – murder – abortion – adultery – pornography – homosexual perversions – pedophilia – blasphemy and non-stop damning of God in public in MY country – it is the JEWS.
AND may I remind you that it was NOT the Arab people who ARE always at the forefront of mocking and spitting on Christian worshippers in Jerusalem – it was the Jews.
Oh – and finally – Mrs. Jew worshiper – it was NOT the Arabs who had our Lord murdered for condemning their filthy blasphemous conduct – IT WAS THE JEWS!
People like you ARE the REAL threat to world peace – but the how in hell would you have a clue. I was training young warriors how to defend the sacred rights of OUR people in my country before you were even potty trained!
I hope that I would never live to see the day that a person who might very well be a heartbeat away from the Presidency was so ABYSMALLY stupid that they had to share a brain with their masters and allow the strings to be pulled as they appeared animated but brainless as the puppet you have shown the world you REALLY are.
Do you have a CLUE as to what kind of threat to world peace that idiots like you REALLY ARE? YOU – are the one that MUST be stopped – before you endanger the entire world with your imbecilic ranting and ravings!
By YOUR irresponsible actions YOU are RIGHT NOW placing innocent people in harm’s way. Because of criminally irresponsible people like YOU – over a million TOTALLY innocent men women and children – MOSTLY CHILDREN have been brutally murdered all for the greater glory of the MONSTROUSLY immoral and criminal STOLEN state of IsraHELL.
You babble about failing in Iraq – FAILING WHAT LADY? Failing to have murdered the ENTIRE population? FAILURE to leave only TEN MILLION HOMELESS! Remember – you imbecile – they have done NO harm to anyone here.
My own grandchildren are not threatened by them – but YOU and your treasonous ilk ARE DAMN SURE a threat to their lives and safety. You still don’t get it – do you? YOU AND McCain are the threat to world and domestic peace. YOU and country sellers like you = ARE THE ENEMY.
Because of CRIMINALLY IRRESPONSIBLE supporters like your self, we have a war criminal for a President – our TRUE Christian heritage has all but been totally destroyed – our economic life is a heartbeat away from a flat-line – our reputation among the DECENT people of the world is at an ALL TIME LOW – our children have become violence worshipers with NO REGARD for the sanctity of human life – IN-YOUR-FACE displays of homosexual perversion are epidemic.
Americans are actually fined/imprisoned for displays of Christian devotion – ALL major television are Zionist controlled and UNOPPOSEDLY now depicts Christ as an illegitimate “bastard’ lunatic – His mother as a whore – the Bible as fantasy – violence has been eulogized to the level of adoration – heterosexual marriage is openly mocked and ridiculed – torture is OK in America now – we have become engaged in endless serial wars with the enemies – of – NOT THE USA – but IsraHell.
Our Constitutional freedoms are eroded day by day and hatred and killing are now openly ‘preached’ from pseudo-Christian pulpits in every corner of the land and a hundred more disgusting immoral issues that have turned America into a buried morally rotted corpse – and people like YOU are providing the shovel.
WHY are you so EAGER to humble yourself before the very SAME people who are at the forefront of ALL of these horrors – people whose leaders have OPENLY displayed their virulent hatred of our traditional morals and values?
I am not a wealthy man Mrs. Palin – but I will donate $1000 of my life savings to YOU personally, IF you can prove to me that your new Jew friends who are so eager to gain your loyalties to IsraHELL instead of America (remember – you CANNOT serve two masters) have had no hand at all in the moral demise of my country as above illustrated. No financing – no legislative efforts – no judicial efforts – no endless journalistic efforts and no influence promoting these evils on radio newspapers magazines TV and cinema.
I have thrown down the ‘gauntlet’ in defense of my once Christian Republic – do you have the integrity to pick it up?
You CLAIM to be a pro-life Christian – YOU HYPOCRITE! Are you so arrogant and elitist to believe that the FACT that COUNTLESS innocent children worldwide that will be MURDERED in the name of IsraHELL BY YOUR HAND (and/or by your fiance, as in Gaza) and YOUR approval is pleasing to our Lord?
Just what kind of heresy does your pastor preach that says it is OK to murder those “rag-head – sand-nigger – camel-jockey’s” children (as your Jew friends identify them) – BUT not your own precious white kids!
I believe that God has a SPECIAL place for those who support the murder and torture and starvation of the most innocent of His creations – helpless – defenseless children. They are shot for SPORT in Gaza – hunted like animals – as young as 5 or 6. Have you seen this? No of course not. I have. Do you have the GUTS to ask me about the TRUTH of these everyday horrors you support? Of course not. Votes and fame take precedence over justice and truth.
Isn’t that what your Jew friends have taught you? I have seen people like you all my life. You are fake – a fraud and a deceiver. Did your Jew masters pay you the full traditional fee of thirty pieces of silver for treason and betrayal ?
Lady – you have not spent time in the Mid-East – and even if you do – YOU WILL BE CAREFULLY TAKEN TO CAREFULLY DISGUISED PLACES ONLY. You will be shown ONLY what your LYING Zionist masters WILL ALLOW YOU TO SEE. I have been there and WITNESSED horrors that YOU will now be responsible for. How much longer can you live a lie? How much more will you mock our Lord? The TRUTH is my ‘sword’ – not “deception”
I was once, not JUST a Republican – I was a ‘REPUBLICAN’S REPUBLICAN’ – a formal member of the RNC for over two decades. I was not ‘just a soldier’ – I volunteered to become a ‘Green Beret’ as a young man, to serve and protect my country from REAL enemies – and the youngest to be promoted to Captain in my State and the youngest company commander on record at Ft Gordon training basics during the Berlin Crisis.
So do not suppose that this justifiable harsh criticism of your rancid conduct originates from some recycled 60’s liberal love child doper. There are many more REAL people like me – not famous – not rich – not well known – but REAL people who have kept the ‘faith’ – worked hard – respected life – paid their dues and just want the madness to stop and regain control of our OWN country back from the Jews.
I just want to have a REAL reason to be proud once again to be an American. I want to see our children freed from the stranglehold of the influence of Jew incited Godless TV.
I want to see our veterans given decent treatment at VA hospitals and not told “your necessary drugs are not available because they are TOO EXPENSIVE “ while at the same time our war criminal lunatic President had just spent HUNDREDS OF MILIONS OF TAX DOLLARS to AIRLIFT the most horrific kind of weapons – outlawed by Geneva to supply the Jews so they could massacre MORE terrified civilian refugees – mostly children – mostly Christians, fleeing Beirut Lebanon.
There was to be a cease fire in less than 48 hours – but our Zionist worshiping war criminal President was not satisfied with the number of mutilated burned to death terrified civilians yet – so he had these 155mm White Phosphorous and cookie cutter shells AIRLIFTED BY TAXPAYER EXPENSE SO AS TO HELP THE JEWS MURDER MORE CHRISTIANS! Yes there were ‘terrorists’ murdering Lebanese civilians around Beirut. Those ‘terrorists’ were the IDF JEWS – you idiot! Stop your damned lies! LIES KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE!
Do you bother to learn this kind of ugly truth – of course not – it might ‘offend’ our good Jew ally IsraHELL. I am an AMERICAN veteran – but because of the lust of our ‘Furher’ for killing civilians, I had to purchase my own “TOO EXPENSIVE” drugs so we could ‘afford’ to murder more children!
Of course I am not a famous sexy icon superstar with a JUICY SCANDAL – so my little problem is not newsworthy. Outrages like this happen everyday – 24-7 to untold numbers of Americans, but we are ordinary people and our injustices don’t count anymore in our Zionist occupied nation. How in the name of GOD can a person like you look in the mirror – knowing you have sold your soul to these people for fame and fortune?
Do you have ANY idea of the fact that you are being used by the Jews? They ‘play you’ like a cheap guitar – knowing that you will jump through whatever ‘hoop’ you are asked to – no matter how demeaning or how vile the request – they KNOW that you will perform for your masters as they dictate. Have you no shame – as a wife – as a mother – as a high elected official to be used like apiece of meat?
My mother was an attractive woman and as wholesome discreet and modest as a saint. I DAMN sure would take offense should she have been referred to in public as “HOT and SEXY”. Do you know what that means when a man uses that term to describe a woman? It means she incites sexual arousal by virtue of her body and especially her way of displaying it.
I’m sure that your children would be THRILLED to know that their mom works for people that consider her as being able to arouse them sexually. Are you even aware of these things?
I put my pants on the same way any man does – but it is NOT what any decent Christian man wants to hear about their mother – or their sister – or their daughter. Jews especially like to use the tem to describe a woman they would like to ‘bed down’.
Did you know that you were described as HOT and SEXY on a Jew Webb Site that supported you PRIMARILY for your slavish ‘IsraHELL first’ attitude? This site also SPECIFICALLY stated that they wanted you to kill Israel’s enemies. I have no reason to think you are in any way that kind of woman – but your Zionist admirers certainly do.
Show some class Governor – stop being a Jew shill and sex object. IF you are actually flattered by some Godless Zionist Jew getting sexually excited over you – because you have big breasts and are loyal first to a foreign power – then you DAMN SURE ARE NOT FIT TO SERVE AS A VICE PRESIDENT OF MY COUNTRY!
I want to see Christian Pastors and NOT Godless Zionists in our Churches. I want to be RESPECTED by the people of the dozens of nations that I have visited – and not just FEARED!
I want to experience the kind of aura of goodness that I remembered when I was a child in ‘another’ country – called AMERICA! I want to see past MAJOR injustices like the USS Liberty massacre – and the WACO massacre avenged with JUSTICE.
I want to see these UGLY TRUTHS – taught in our schools so our children will know that this country stands for REAL justice, and the criminals involved brought to justice. The USS Liberty massacre? Remember the butchering of hundreds of our sons fathers husbands and friends by your Jew pals? Do you even know what I am talking about? – Oh never mind.
I want to see prayer restored in our schools to make them places of learning and respect. I want to see criminals of every level brought to justice for grave crimes – such as treason and war crimes so as to restore confidence in our system once more. I want to see and hear TRUTH emanate from Capitol Hill – our news media and our schools.
I hope to live to see elected officials – such as yourself – stand up to evil and just do the right thing – the Christian thing the American thing – and tell evil to stay away – which sadly – you have not had the integrity nor courage to do.
AND finally – I want to be able to live in a USA that is NOT UNDER OCCUPATION by the Jews – as we have been – but under the positive influence of TRUE Christian principle – not the disgusting Christ mocking heresies of greedy prosperity preachers like Kenneth Copeland and Joel Osteen nor the Zionist war/hate mongers the ilk of Robertson, Falwell Hagee et al.
PLEASE Mrs. Palin – you are probably a ‘good’ mom and maybe a decent Governor – but you have been bought – body and soul – by the “sons of the Devil” and what you do will only increase human misery and increase the destruction of traditional Christianity in my country through your ignorance.
PLEASE leave before you make it any worse. YOU WILL LOSE the respect of decent mainstream Americans AND more importantly – YOUR SOUL.
– Joe Cortina @
http://mynameisjoecortina.wordpress.com/
Great Job, Brother Nathanael!
LOL! I almost fell off my chair laughing! Lock, stock, bra and panties! Brilliant! You are hilarious! And the pictures! I love the one with the bright red lips kissing up to the Zionists! And the first one with that gigantic seal of Solomon on her neck. Was she really wearing that monstrosity or did you add that to the picture? You are so funny.
I caught on to her a while ago. She is another phony Zionist shill. May we reprint this article for distribution freely? There were some tea-party meetings in this area when the weather was nice and I would like to show up at one and pass these out to everyone.
Also, great answer about Sarah. Paul the apostle said that Sarah corresponds with the NEW JERUSALEM, which is the mother of us all. First the natural, then the spiritual. The first man, Adam was of the earth, earthy, the second Adam is a life-giving Spirit.
David –
Give me a break. Could you be any more negative? Faith in our Heavenly Father should assuage your fear. You should study King David and live up to your namesake. Does David and Goliath ring a bell?
Prodigal Son – (JOSHUA-lovely name I might add) –
My dear brother, Mary was chosen to be the tent or tabernacle (temporary dwelling) for our Messiah and Savior because she was of the house of David. However, Solomon blew it big time, and she was from Nathan, son of David. There were probably many virgins of the house of David alive at this time.
That is why she was so blessed because our Heavenly Father chose her. Gabriel said she found GRACE with Him and was highly favored. She could have been very afraid of being stoned for being found with child during her espousal. She was very trusting and spiritual, obviously. All generations can call her blessed. But we are all blessed now because of The SON who shed his blood for our sins.
Read the “Magnificant” again. It is all about what our Heavenly Father did for her and her people Israel. And she magnified Him and what He was about to do, not venerate herself. Jesus was not of her seed (egg). He was from heaven. She was from Adam, then Noah, Shem, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, David, Nathan and so forth.
People who worship or venerate her and call her the Mother of God, or Queen of Heaven are entering dangerously close to the Babylonian mysteries of phallic worship. That is what the BABYLONIAN TALMUD and KABBALAH teach. A FATHER-MOTHER God. If she is a mother of God, then you are saying that our Father had sex with her. That’s what pagans believe.
Jesus asked the scribes, “If David called Him Lord, how is He his son”? He does not come from Adam (dust). But Mary did. That made her need a savior like everyone else.
The prophet JEREMIAH rebuked the REAL JEWS who planned on going to Egypt and continue burning incense to the Queen of Heaven. Chapter 44. He doesn’t like this type of worship or veneration. The Son has the name above every name, period.
Mr. or Ms. RISE FROM HELL-
Did you rise from hell or what you said? Anyway, take it back there. Sarah Palin is never going to control me. PLLLLLLLEEEEEEEAAAAASSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEE. You certainly are brainwashed.
“Here is the mind having wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains (not hills) on which the woman sits. (Mount Zion, Orphel, Moriah, Bezetha, Acra, Gareb and Goath). And there are seven kings: five have fallen, (Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius) and one is, (NERO-spelled NERON KAISAR in Hebrew translated into English – adds up to 666 – and BTW, Nero married young boys and was a homosexual, murdering beastly man who used Christians for burning torches and cut off Paul’s head) and the other has not yet come. (Galba-lasted 6 months).
“And when he comes, he has to remain a little while. And the beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth (Vespasian) and is of the seven, and goes to destruction. The High priest of the Jews proclaimed “WE HAVE NO KING BUT CAESAR!” Since they didn’t want Jesus, they were sent Vespasian’s son Titus. The beast that was, and is not, just means a GENTILE KING WHO DESTROYS THE TEMPLE. First Nebechadnazzar, then Titus.
We must all study to show ourselves approved, a workman rightly HANDLING the Word of TRUTH. King David said in Psalm 119 that the “sum of thy Word is Truth.” It is a summation, not a division problem. Jesus must teach us Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21. Only He can open up your mind to understand the Scriptures. Luke 24:45.
The best way to defeat any enemy to your soul is to know the truth better than they. I wonder if the Ashkenazim know this verse from Genesis:
The sons of Jepheth: Gomer, and Magog, and Madai and Jawan, and Tubal, and Meshek, and Tiras. And the sons of Gomer: ASHKENAZ, and Riphath, and Togarmah. Oops! there they are.
They aren’t SHEMITES, they are JEPHATHITES. Since they are so into their race, you need to feed them with their own medicine. Come on people! It is time to turn their world upside down with truth. That’s what the apostles did!
So we can call them Anti-SHEMITES because Shem means name. They are not the people of the Name. They won’t say His name and they hate His Son Jesus. Start calling them GENTILES and see what they do.
Good article. I am a rare contributor (words and $$$) but I had to throw in 2 cents here.
Israel an ally? Jonathan Pollard. Dancing Israelis on 9/11.
Palin? Like George Bush’s “selection” By Schultz, Perle, Rice and the rest, Palin was selected by Kristol, Barnes, and other GOP powers a year before the official announcement. (NOT a last minute pick as we were led to believe).
And on the day after the official announcement by McCain, she was escorted before AIPAC by Joe Lieberman. Why? To promise some form of fealty to prevent an outright rejection?
Links to Palin “selection”:
http://www.americanfreepress.net/Supplements/Issue_52_Palin_Insert.pdf
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/10/27/081027fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=1
What you say about Palin is true. However, she is a mere ‘placeholder’.
We are done with all of them, and she will not be the next president.
The existing parties, and the tiny tea group, are of no consequence.
This is a soon-to-be-apparent Revolution.
Designated ‘opposition’ will be ignored.
All incumbents and posers are finished.
Dear Real Zionist News Family –
Indeed, the WORD is getting out about Palin and the Jews’ TAKEOVER of the Tea Party. So sad…
I would like ask again for financial help.
I am about to hire a Law Firm to represent me before the 6 white cops in LA who denied my constitutional rights on the median strip and almost were ready to haul me away to either jail or a mental hospital. (We are in the process of determining that now). Also, the Hispanic cops at UCLA did NOT intrude on my constitutional rights. So much for the “great white hope” that many look for. It ain’t gonna happen folks. Their either dumbed down in front of the idiot box or apathetic. But these cops were VICIOUSLY anti Christian!
This legal action is going to cost me MUCHO BUCKS.
Donations have been so low that I have cancelled all Street Evangelism travel for February and have to pay tons of large bills INCLUDING expenses to run *OUR* HIGH ALEXA RATED site.
OUR site gets SO MANY HITS that I could start advertising as many have solicted me to do. This would solve my financial situation once and for all.
BUT – In order to keep OUR site CLEAN and UNCOMMERCIAL, and me not being SUBJECTED to any man, I have decided against ALL advertising here.
Will you then please consider helping me financially?
There is a DONATION BUTTON at the Top & Bottom of this Article. Or simply Click:
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I DO Thank Those FEW who are helping to keep this site online.
I APPRECIATE OUR Real Zionist News Family. (The Comments Section enjoys THOUSANDS of Readers every week! (Web Tracking Service).
We’ve got our own “Tea Party” brewing and I will NEVER ALLOW OUR PRECIOUS Family to be INFILTRATED. That’s a PROMISE.
With Much Love In Christ Our God & Saviour,
Your Ever +Brother in Christ, Nathanael
Brother Nathanael,
You are spot on, as per usual.
May our heavenly Father richly bless you in this life and the next.
” Lock, stock, bra and panties! ”
Yes.
Sarah Palin is being used to sex up bombing more innocent men, women and children.
Can anything be more disgusting and abominable ??
I went to some local meetups and met the 2nd in Command of my local Tea Party and sent him this after we exchanged e-mails-
This is a brief, but correct history of how the Federal Reserve came to control this country’s wars and destiny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USGSOViaulc
(THIS LINK IS WORTH YOUR TIME)
“If my sons did not want wars, there would be none.” – Gutle Schnaper, Mayer Amschel Rothschilds wife.
“I am one of those who do not believe the national debt is a national blessing… it is calculated to raise around the administration a moneyed aristocracy dangerous to the liberties of the country.”
– Andrew Jackson, Letter to L. H. Coleman of Warrenton, N.C., 29 April 1824
“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”
– Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom (1913), Doubleday
“From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing.
“It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.”
– Winston Churchill, “Zionism versus Bolshevism”, Illustrated Sunday Herald (London), February 8, 1920, pg. 5
“The people must be helped to think naturally about money. They must be told what it is, and what makes it money, and what are the possible tricks of the present system which put nations and peoples under control of the few.”
– Henry Ford, My Life and Work, Doubleday, Page & Company, 1922
“I am afraid that the ordinary citizen will not like to be told that the banks can, and do, create and destroy money. The amount of money in existence varies only with the action of the banks in increasing or decreasing deposits and bank purchases.
“Every loan, overdraft or bank purchase creates a deposit, and every repayment or bank sale destroys a deposit. …. And they who control the credit of a nation, direct the policy of Governments and hold in the hollow of their hands the destiny of the people.”
– Reginald McKenna, a former Chancellor of the Exchequer, addressing the shareholders as Chairman of the Midland Bank, at the Annual General Meeting in January 1924.
“The present Federal Reserve System is a flagrant case of the Governments conferring a special privilege upon bankers. The Government hands to the banks its credit, at virtually no cost to the banks, to be loaned out by the bankers for their own private profit. Still worse, however, is the fact that it gives the bankers practically complete control of the amount of money that shall be in circulation.
“Not one dollar of these Federal Reserve notes gets into circulation without being borrowed into circulation and without someone paying interest to some bank to keep it circulating. Our present money system is a debt money system. Before a dollar can circulate, a debt must be created. Such a system assumes that you can borrow yourself out of debt.”
– Willis A. Overholser, A short review and analysis of the history of money in the United States, with an introduction to the current money problem (1936), p. 56
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My local Tea Party leader warned me of coming across as an anti-semite. I told him to stop drinking the Kool-aid the Zionists put out here, and realize that Khazars/the global Zionist ruling class aren’t semitic. They come from Khazaria according to Benjamin Freedman.
Also, that semites are descendents of Shem according to one Messianic Jew resource (Arabs and Sephardic Jews are Shemites-so this bogus war and displacement of Iraq, Afghanistan, and most likely Iran is anti-semetic as well as the under class status of Sephardis in Israel).
Anyway-these Dispensationalist (as this guy was) Christian-Zionist dupes won’t listen and get angry when confronted with counter-arguments that haven’t been discussed in the matrix (trust me it is) of Western thought.
I was told to read “From Time Immemorial” (Something tells me-Norman Finklestein, David Duke, Michael Hoffman, John Mearshimer, Steven Walt, or Shlomo Sand offer in book format a much, much more coherent picture of it all based on my research) and later told to stop correspondence by the “Tea Party” (I thought they were lame from the beginning when they got Glen Beck on board as he is corporate Jew sock puppet for the goys-to call him Libertarian is like calling Ayatollah Khomeni a reformed Presbyterian).
I thought the whole deal was fishy given our REAL history if PEOPLE HAD A MEMORY LIKE Bro. Nathanael said. The local leader requested I cease contacting him when I wouldn’t fold for the Zionist NWO line.
What a surprise in todays-Amerika.
BOTTOM LINE:
MANY Tea-Party’s are Zionist dupes and/or shills.
Speaking of EXPOSING A ZIONIST-SHILL:
A piece on Michael Weiner/”Savage” would be great as he has many listeners (8 million – and purports to be Libertarian when he’s really a neo-con Zionist, but FORGET LABELS THE BOTTOM LINE IS MOST OF THESE “ISMS” ARE DECEIVERS).
SAVAGE IS A WIDELY LISTENED TO ZIONIST SHILL WHO NEEDS TO BE EXPOSED.
If Alex Jonestein can get dirt on Savage imagine how great Bro. Nate’s piece would be. There’s no comparison – Bro. Nathanael is in a league of his own in the truth business.
BUT THINK ABOUT EXPOSING SAVAGE – TOO MANY “LIBERTARIAN” DUPES BUY HIS HYPE.
Palinstein is another in the long line of Zionist bankster puppet politicians. Thankfully more and more see through her. I had hunch she was no good/NWO Zionist when Saturday Night Live (Khazar cultural corruption op) in Jew York started mocking her as this would be a perfect distraction to help her attain validity under the Khazars’ distract, delay, and deter but always conive to reach the goal paradigm.
In conclusion: Palinstein = A Crypto-Jewess
The pathetic state Amerikan politics continues to reach is not surprising given the NWO agenda the bankster puppet states all have.
The Khazars love mind games and trickery.
Think about it – theyr’e reinventing the same ol game:
Sarah Palin is the female version of the neo-con useful idiot next-door type, war machine profits, Middle East occupier/Arab semite butcher, AIPAC and Rothschild FED worshipping telepromoter-image reading Corporate Amerikan tool, “sex” symbol like somebody else who was an Illuminati, New England blue blood with a intentional Amerikana accent (its Fargo-esque this time but last time it was “Tex-shesh”).
In essence she’s Palinstein – the female version of GW/Lil Bush-all Amerikan image, useful idiot, Zionist elite paid puppet.
Amerikas memory has gotten so bad between the Jews Media, Talmudvision, and public fool system that in 20 years they’ll be picking Amerikan Idol/Idiot winners for Kosher approved telepromter reader in chief for leadership of their Komrades.
Hello Tina,
Thanks. I was going to respond to your posting on the last thread – but it was addressed to Br. Nathanael… so I held back.
Now you’ve addressed me, so I will respond to your previous post as well. Br. Nathanael is a busy, busy man and obviously doesn’t have the time to respond to everyone (or I’m sure he would).
There WILL be an anti-Christ. He WILL be flesh & blood – and he will be a ‘Jew’ (Pharisee). These facts are clearly attested to by Scripture.
True Christian worship is (and ALWAYS has been) sacramental and liturgical. Honest research of the early Church will verify this… there’s just no way around it.
His Church is (and always has been) a TANGIBLE, physical group of people who gather in fellowship – who have received His Holy Spirit (Paraclete) through the laying on of hands FROM his apostles, or from the succession of bishops appointed by His apostles or their successors – in an UNBROKEN chain of TOUCH from Pentecost to the present day.
‘Sola Scriptura’ is a LIE… and all who practice it are sadly deluded and misled. They are physically separated from His Body (His Church) and His Sacraments and His Holy Spirit.
His Holy Spirit IS NOT received through belief or Baptism alone. His Holy Spirit is received through the laying-on of hands from someone who has ALREADY received Him – THROUGH His Church (as the Scriptures reveal).
Of 20,000 plus ‘denominations’ – there is only ONE truth… and ‘Sola Scriptura’ is NOT the truth.
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Now, regarding Mother Mary…
Jesus was both fully man AND fully God. In other words – Christ had two natures… He was FULLY human in nature (flesh & blood) while at the same time: He was FULLY Eternal God Incarnate.
He was the Word made flesh.
Jesus was of the tribe of Judah… this human geneology was received through His Mother – Mary, who was of the tribe of Judah.
Blessed Mary was INDEED the Mother of God – God Bearer (Theotokos). This doesn’t mean that the Holy Spirit was her spouse (as some say) or that she had sexual relations with God the Father (ridiculous!)…
She WAS the first person to receive Christ – yet she remained ever a virgin for her entire life. But she called Christ her Saviour as well… our Salvation is through Him alone!
Salvation (Jesus) came into the world through Mary, through her love for God – her trust, her faith, her OBEDIENCE. Because of her unparallelled role in God’s plan true Christians must honor her as first among the saints.
Gabriel (the archangel) – a messenger sent BY God Himself said to Mary, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”
– Luke 1:28
Her cousin Elizabeth (mother of John the Baptist) said to Mary, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
But why is this granted to me, that the MOTHER of my Lord should come to me?”
– Luke 1:42,43
And Mary herself knew the honor that she would receive, unto ages of ages with her plain statement:
“For behold, henceforth ALL GENERATIONS will call me blessed.”
– Luke 1:48
She WAS truly the Mother of Very God of Very God, so true Christians must honor her above all the saints, and above all the angels… FOREVER! Amen.
In truth with love,
Interesting picture of Other Russia NED supported/sponsored anti-Putin opposition candidate and former chess champion Gary Kasparov and look who is in the back at the right hand corner.
http://barak-obmana.livejournal.com/170118.html
Dear Brother Nathanael,
I would like to warn you against suing the policemen in LA.
You are right, they harassed you, they didn’t respect your CONSTITUTIONAL rights.
But Brother, you know that there is no justice in THIS world. The policemen will be certainly judged for their actions by God our Father, the only real justice we can expect.
I can tell you the outcome of the process you are about to start: your case will appear before a court that is DOMINATED BY FREEMASONS. Do you think that they will be impartial? They know that you are their ENEMY.
You will lose the case. The legal costs will be horrendous, this might even jeopardize your street evangelism and RZN. This is the goal of the Zionist Jews and their master, Satan.
I been through the same situation, I have been harassed. My legal advisors thought it was a crystal-clear case. I was very angry about the injustice done to me, and could not see the dangers ahead.
I sued. I lost. The legal costs were a bitter pill to swallow, and it costed me a lot of energy too. It was hard to recover from that blow, therefore I would like to spare you that ordeal.
For Jesus Christ already warned us:
“As you go with your accuser before the magistrate, make an effort to settle with him on the way, lest he drag you to the judge, and the judge hand you over to the officer, and the officer put you in prison. I tell you, you will never get out until you have paid the very last penny.” (Luke 12: 58-59)
@ Norseman –
I will NOT be “suing” anyone in LA.
I have to hire a Law Firm SIMPLY to defend my constitutional rights NEXT TIME I go back to that Median Strip in LA.
These 6 white cops demanded that I stop holding up the Cross. I MUST DEFEND CHRIST’S HOLY CROSS. AND I WILL DO IT!
Your pharisaical quote of Scriptures DOES NOT APPLY TO my situation AT ALL. I am almost tempted to delete your STUPID USE OF HOLY SCRIPTURES.
This verse that you took out of context is ABOUT (as the Holy Orthodox Church teaches), THE “ADVERSARY” the CONSCIENCE. – it is NOT about turning away from defending myself against Christ hating white cops.
Don’t pull this stupidity on me again dear “Norseman.” (I do NOT like anonymous advice either.)
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Reflections & Thoughts
While fasting with no food or drink these two days until the 9th hour tomorrow, Wednesday, I have some thoughts that I would like to share with our Real Zionist News family.
First of all, this article is now close to getting 10,000 hits and climbing. Yet, only 2 have donated on the Donate Button. This is really the percentage ratio of donors to readers…Maybe 1/10th of 1% of those who contribute compared to the numbers of readers. BUT – I press on in spite of it all.
THIS ARTICLE really show that there is NO difference between the Democrats and the Republicans – BOTH PARTIES are OWNED by the JEWS.
Jews OWN the entire nation of America. The information flow comes from them and thus the opinions of passive, brain-dead Americans, are formed by the CHRIST HATING, WAR MONGERING, FREEDOM HATING Jews.
The Jews CONTROL the ALL of academia in America from nursery to Graduate schools.
Books don’t get published UNLESS it passes through Jew censorship.
Political hacks Don’t Get Elected UNLESS they pass the Israel/Jew litmus test. The Media and Jew money will ruin that candidate IN A MINUTE either by Smearing or Ignoring them if they don’t size up to WAR / ISRAELI GENOCIDE – HOLOCAUST LIES and ALL Jew agendas.
My friends, they will kill me some day. I’m ready for it. A JEW who know of my site made a violent verbal assault upon me yesterday which unnerved me a bit. The time will come when the JEWS who CRUCIFIED THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PERSON WHO EVER LIVED, will murder (and martyr) me. I am preparing for it. I have already been through so many martyrdoms.
This new movie, “Defamation,” is only to MAKE MONEY. Do you really think this movie is going to make a difference in the ADL’s POWER AND CONTROL?
These ANTI CHRIST JEWS at the ADL are TEACHING OUR CHILDREN: PERVERSION, HOMOSEXUALITY, LESBIANISM, TRANS-GENDERISM, HOLOCAUSTISM, HISTORICAL LIES, from kindergarten up.
And this movie, “Defamation,” is going to stop them? HA HA HA. Don’t be deceived. JEWS RUN AMERICA AND THEY ARE GETTING STRONGER AND STRONGER.
It’s all over everyone. The only thing that will keep us sane is to KNOW THE TRUTH of what is going on around us.
This is my service – my ministry – to you, dear Real Zionist Family.
This is MY calling. I know what the Truth SOUNDS LIKE. I know how the TRUTH tastes. How? BECAUSE I READ THE HOLY BIBLE EVERY DAY! That’s why!
And I apply the sound and taste of truth to EVENTS that occur in our society. I can SMELL FALSEHOOD in a second.
This is a difficult calling of mine. Do any of you know the kind or research that goes in to an article like this?
Look at what I UNCOVERED that NO ONE else has UNCOVERED… Did this come about in 10 minutes? It came about through hours, days, long, painstaking RESEARCH, that left me sapped, troubled by what I discovered, DISTURBED that Tea Partiers DON’T HAVE A CLUE OF THE JEWS’ TAKEOVER OF THEIR MOVEMENT.
The Anti Christ is coming. He will be a Jew. Martial Law is on its way. The dumbed down white Americans got their porno flicks, their NFL games, their six packs, their TV, their ELECTRONIC toys. They are given BREAD and CIRCUS and that’s all that want.
Henry Ford did all that he could to EXPOSE THE JEWS as the WORLD’S FOREMOST problem. But it accomplished NOTHING. Stupid Americans cannot resist the power of the Jew. Period. (They are a poison in society BECAUSE they are CHRIST HATERS, CHRIST DENIERS, CHRIST-LESS souls who belong to the devil their father as CHRIST stated. That’s TRUTH that Jews want to wipe out.)
In 1920, he stated in his Dearborn Daily that Jews already had high and influential positions at high levels of government. Today, the JEWS OWN THE US GOVERNMENT. Just look at ALL THE JEWS in Obama’s administration and his Czars. Tons of JEWS. With their MONEY, their MEDIA OWNERSHIP, the JEWS OWN EVERY POLITICIAN except for a few like Ron Paul.
Now if you think this is bad, wait until Sarah Palin gets into the White House. It will be renamed, the Jew House. Jews will be oozing out of every corner of the place. Palin is OWNED NOW by Jews. And she got FOX/Rothschild money behind her. AND ALL THE JEW OWNED AMERICAN MEDIA. (It really does not matter any longer who gets in to the White House. Cause you don’t get there unless you allow the Jews to put you there. BROWN INCLUDED!)
I am NOT deceived. I see it all very clearly. The end of FREEDOM is at the doors. Bush gave the END OF FREEDOM its first death knell. The Military Commissions Act, Patriot Act, Homeland Security FASCIST Act, was the first rung on the ladder of descent into Hellish totalitarianism.
Homeland Security NOW has AUDIO SURVELLIANCE at major airports. The dumbed down white Americans really don’t care. They’ve got their donuts and Starbucks, and their bellies are full.
Everyone is looking horrible these days. A trip to the airport is depressing. Torn jeans, sloppy T shirts, shorts, sick looking faces, McDonald French fries and ketchup stains on their collars. THIS IS NOW ‘WHITE AMERICA.’ How did it happen? No one CARES ABOUT BEING ACCOUNTABLE TO EACH OTHER ANY MORE IN SOCIETY.
I am basically disgusted. Democracy has produced “equality amongst idiots.” Democracy has produced a MONEY-ELECTING PROCESS that is CORNERED BY JEW MONEY. Where the Jews are free, DEMOCRACY IS ENSLAVED – AN ILLUSION – and just a political pastime for Jews. And the JEWS are laughing. They’ve got it sewed up. They’ve got the INTERNATIONAL MONEY SYSTEM, the INTERNATIONAL MEDIA OWNERSHIP, the INTERNATIONAL ACADEMIC CONTROL, the INTERNATIONAL MILITARY/ZIONIST Complex Sewed up! It’s all over.
I am NOT anonymous. I do not use an Internet Handle. The Jews know who Brother Nathanael Kapner is. Simon Wiesenthal Center and the ADL have an ACTIVE file on Brother Nathanael Kapner. They took this site down 3 times already. They are now working with Google to filter out my articles on Google searches. You see, the Jews will EVENTUALLY Destroy the Internet as well – just as they DESTROY ALL FREEDOMS.
Do you really think I care what these CHRIST HATING Jews have in their files, their wallets, their legal docs? Let them censor me. They tried to shut Christ up and He built for himself the CHURCH which the gates of Jew-Hell will not withstand.
Let them kill me. They KILLED CHRIST. I will consider it a privilege to have their BLOOD STAINED HANDS of DEICIDE kill me too. I get a better place near Christ if they do it to me too!
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Excellent article, portraying the utter failure of the Tea Party, really being shown for what they are.
Also you really captured Palin’s Jewish features, how can I say? ‘To a tea’…
Brother Nathanael,
You are truly blessed with the talent to perceive the truth and to communicate that truth. Thank you for sharing it with the rest of us.
I have spent many years investigating the problems caused by the Jews and have pondered unbelievable numbers of, what I thought, were solutions to this problem and none of them would work except the most obvious one which I over looked.
We must give the Jews what they hate the most, Christ and our dedication to His teachings. We must become the best Christians we know how to be. That is the only way to combat the evil of Satan, his agents (the Jews), and their minions.
If we attempt to play them at their own game, we most certainly will lose. We must be better than that. Our survival does not depend on what the Jews do. It depends on what we do as true Christians toward our fellow man. We must read Christ’s words for ourselves, ponder his words while knowing that his words are the truth, and act accordingly. We will then know the right thing for each of us to do to combat the evil.
Obviously, you are doing the best you know how to do. We, as your readers, need to follow suit with the guidance of Christ’s teachings.
I have very little means (actually I’m going in the hole each month), but I will send to a small check in the mail tomorrow. I would hope that other readers would do so as well. If only 10-percent of your readers were to send you $5.00, I am sure your daily bread would be assured.
Gene
Bro. Nathanael is correct.
The Jews virtually annhiliated me as a lawyer in Ohio. They are so evil that normal people cannot believe the stories I tell of what they did to me.
They made me look insane; they got my own relatives to turn against as like rabid dogs would.
They prevented me from filing any more lawsuits with their vicious, unconstitutional laws.
They get local law enforcement to harass me openly. They stalk me when I travel. They are monitoring my Internet usage and phone calls — and I was never a threat to them.
Watch out, people! Satan is here.
Dear Br. Nathanael,
You are right about democracy. It is a total fraud. Democracy even in it’s perfect form, assumes that the majority will make the best choice.
Even the satanist Churchill, said that: “The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute discussion with the average voter.”
Democracy is the reason why we are here, in this state. People think they have a choice, while the truth is, that the choice is made for them. Politicians, completely controlled by Zionism, Freemasonry and the NWO, are presented to the voters, who will gladly argue about their effectiveness and then go and vote, completely confident that they are exercising their liberty.
It is a joke and an offensive one at that. ANYONE who is not controlled and compromised will NEVER get to a position of power, and even if they do, they WILL be killed, ridiculed and destroyed, quickly and efficiently.
Democracy is a myth, by definition a fallacy, just like so many other things that are being served to us day and night.
Even if election were not rigged, even if elections provided a fair number and representative number of candidates, even if democracy was perfectly executed, is STILL would be a fallacy and a recipe for deterioration. Why? Because the vast majority, has NO clue on how to vote.
Democracy is a self-rejecting fallacy, because is suggests that it is enough to vote for leaders, who will then resort to completely un-democratic ways of operation. This is because we are called every few years to vote and then after they are elected our vote is no longer relevant until the next time comes around. In the meantime, public majority opinion (even if it were correct) is COMPLETELY ignored.
NO citizen, is allowed to vote for critical matters (e.g. Bailouts, monetary policies, taxation, religious freedom etc. etc.). NO citizen is allowed to vote for declarations of war, or even a simple vote of confidence. NO citizen is allowed to vote out, democracy it self, while the various congresses and parliaments are allowed to vote out ANYTHING they want, regardless of its ethical status.
Even the “democratic” process that takes place inside the walls of these parliaments and congresses are ridiculous by definition. MPs and Congressmen, REPEATEDLY vote for things they DO NOT UNDERSTAND AT ALL, while at the same time, being completely confident that they are doing the right thing. They vote in new legislation about medical matters, monetary matters, security matters, WITHOUT having the slightest idea what they are voting for.
The ignorance and completely corrupted nature of politicians, who ALWAYS act with ulterior motives in place, is completely destroying the process of elections on WHATEVER matter. And that is if we assume that the process of electing alone is enough to provide fairness. And it is NOT.
Thus, ANYONE who defends Democracy as the pinnacle of political achievement, is not only GRAVELY deluded, but they are at the same time, DESTROYING society, by continuing to promote this fallacy.
Have you ever considered, that the constitution of the USA, which is one of the most complete documents on providing some liberty, can be REPELLED and REVERSED via completely Democratic proceedings?
What does that tell us? It tells us, that Democracy is NOT ENOUGH. It is not NEARLY enough to provide security and liberty. It only takes a majority of idiotic sheeple, to use Democracy as a tool for total destruction.
What is needed is education, ethos and a true sense of brotherhood, which can ONLY be provided by Jesus Christ. Only then, can a process of elections provide fairness.
Look at this, this way:
Buddhists, Hindus and anyone who believes in reincarnation, believes that EVERYONE is God. Thus, whatever anyone is going through, is serving as an “evolution” for this God of theirs. but, they are still God. Thus, Democracy and fairness, is ALREADY in place as an order int he universe. Try to refute this, and you will see that there is no way around this for a Buddhist. Thus, NO change is REALLY needed in the universe (that includes society as a whole).
Muslims, as per their beliefs, have the full and complete law already in place. Thus, for a muslim, there in no need to consider an alternative way of government. Sharia law will suffice for them. Again, there is no way to refute this, there is no way around this for a muslim.
Jews, see all non-Jews as inferior beings. Thus, what they want, is complete and total domination of all non Jews. So don’t even try to discuss social fairness with them.
What remains, is Christianity, and Christianity is really the only world view that demands fairness and will provide a moral basis for improving the world. Thus, it is the only choice for anyone who is right now, considering or accepting Democracy as the solution.
And within Christianity, it is only Orthodoxy that has a complete and balanced view of things, but I suppose that in order to be courteous I have to say that is my personal opinion.
The conclusion is this: ANYTHING man made, including Democracy, has flaws which can be exploited. Only Jesus Christ our Lord can provide us with an unmovable, solid fairness and balanced order of things.
Stav
Dear Brother Nathanael,
I am very sorry if my comment offended you. Now I see that your intention is to prevent future harassment in LA.
Rest assured that all in this forum know of your efforts and the dangers you take upon yourself in your ministry. We all admire and support you for that.
Once again my sincere apologies.
Dear Brother Nathanael,
Wow. You really laid it out, and there is no denying it. I am so heartbroken that it has come to this. I had hoped in a false hope: that things would naturally get a little better by themselves. But there is a finger on the scales that keeps this side we’re on going down.
I am really glad to finally have a cogent understanding of the message Christ gave, and it is thanks in part to you. It is understanding why things must get worse for a time that makes it bearable to a person of conscience. Yes, martyrdom is coming, it has been for a long time.
It is so sad to spend a lifetime trying to build something of lasting value for the betterment of the next generation and to see it all destroyed like it will be. It’s even sadder to see friends begin to think that they can beat the devil at his own game, rather than just play on Christ’s team. In the end the only lasting value is the ‘treasure stored up in heaven’.
All the old farmers around here started dying off after 9-11. They all started falling together like autumn leaves coming off in the first storm of November. Now my teacher is lying in the hospital full of cancer, but he struggles on. He was known for his gentle and humane treatment of the cows, but the herd is gone now.
In my opinion, your preventive legal strategy sounds reasonable and well considered. “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of the cure”. Best of all, your motive to defend not Br. Nathanael, but the Cross of Christ. It is your duty to defend, not any expectation to get justice, that I support.
What you say about democracy makes me think. Our people were for millennia ruled by an aristocracy and nobility. This was stable, but unnecessarily limited in possibilities for the unfortunates trapped by birth in a class one size too small or large. Still, the masses of simpletons were more or less goaded into right action, with fewer options to sin than today. And the unworthy aristocrat came under intense pressure from peers to act according to his rank.
But the common man’s new found freedom has been a testing ground for radical new theories. As you pointed out, freedom also for the alien Jew interloper in a nation of recently free commoners has been a disaster for those simple souls. Liberty has been perverted to mean license. Freedom from restraint has been exploited as freedom for excess and gluttony.
It was as though a great herd broke free from the fenced estate of a cruel landlord, only to be hunted and trapped one by one by the gypsies in the forest and wayside until the whole herd was either slaughtered, or laboring under the gypsies’ yokes for even less than the landlord gave them to eat and bed upon.
In retrospect, letting go of the mint and allowing fictional credit to be hypothecated was the fatal error for our democracy. Without honest money, there is no honest transaction. God deplores unjust weights and measures. We should have realized this simple truth from the beginning. Well, now the pigeons are home to roost.
God keep and protect your soul.
Come see how Satan has deceived the whole world.
http://www.youtube.com/user/YisraylHawkins
May Holy Spirit that inspired the prophets to write to us bless your understanding.
Okie
I’m quite certain I gave a copy of a letter of mine to the Hierarchy of the Catholic Church here in the United States of America a couple of years ago in an attempt to start a ‘Tea Party’ with and amongst the 55-65 million Catholic Christians of the U.S.A. so as to RID OURSELVES of these Khazarian Talmudic Kabbalah-Zohar Illuminist Luciferian Satanists who are RUINING EVERYTHING for EVERYBODY here on this God-given planet earth of ours.
Unfortunately, the Lord had my Bishop to inform me that that particular letter of mine to the Hierarachy/Prelates of the Catholic Church here in the USA was met with – well, how shall I say this with ‘charity’? – ‘much less than an enthusiastic and supportative response’.
Yet, some in-the-public-domain quotes, excerpts and links would be helpful for people of GOOD WILL throughout our contemporary World (using their PC and Internet) in order to understand the ‘Whirling Geopolitical Global Chaos’ in which they and their loved ones HAVE and WILL CONTINUE TO BE made subject will serve to STRENGTHEN their minds, hearts, souls and spirits in the midst of all of this Satanic chaos.
“My People PERISH for want of knowledge.” – Prophet Hosea – Hosea 4:6
Let’s attempt TO SAVE as many of our own fellow members of God’s Human Race and Humanity as “humanly” possible with these PCs and Internet at our disposal.
– Fr. Joseph
“Rakovsky – … When asked who the men were, Doctor Dodd refused to name them. Btu when pressed to say ultimately who ruled this higher order, she replied simply ‘SATAN’. In the course of this history-making interview, Rakovsky made it clear that the key to the power of this higher order was MONEY. Rakovsky said, ‘MONEY IS POWER, THE ONLY POWER.”
– quoting from subsection ‘Rakovsky’ here:
http://www.fatima.org/books/divimp/dipt2chap2.asp
“Rosenthal said, ‘Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer…and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive.” – quoting from
http://www.rense.com/general49/prot.htm
– Fr. Joseph
“12….This culture is actively fostered by powerful CULTURAL, ECONOMIC and POLITICAL CURRENTS which encourage an idea of society excessively concerned with efficiency. Looking at the situation form this point of view, it is possible to speak in a certain sense of A WAR OF THE POWERFUL AGAINST THE WEAK.” – quoting from:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/ENCYC/JP2EVANG.HTM
“The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and WORLD BANKERS is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.” (hmmmm…just go ask the ‘average homeless/out-of-work US citizen OR average Greek citizen nowadays about that! – parens mine) – quoting from
http://www.rense.com/general17/quote.htm
– Fr. Joseph
“Do you know that BANKS PURCHASE bank sites, build premises, and acquire assets (to include HUMAN ‘assets’ who are willing to accept 30 pieces of silver or 30 times any amount of ‘Digital Ledger Book Inscriptions and Representations’ in the form of bought-and-paid-for Politicos, to pay for any number/type of ‘Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap’ as well as ‘Silence from Witnesses’ etc.) at NO REAL COST whatsoever to themselves – by the simple process of honoring their own checks?” – quoting from:
http://michaeljournal.org/moneytrick.htm
“The Pen That Rules The World” (a most concise and efficient way of teaching everyone WORLD HISTORY with 5 minutes worth of reading!)
http://www.michaeljournal.org/penrules.htm
– Fr. Joseph
Once again, the need to ‘Identify The Satanic Allies’ vs. the Church Militant here on earth and the Rest of Humanity:
“Rosenthal said ‘Most Jews doe not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer…and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive.” – on-line reference:
http://www.rense.com/general49/prot.htm
“Deities of Masonry”
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/mason1.htm#018
“The World Struggle is NOT political or economic. Rather, it is RELIGIOUS and THEOLOGICAL. It is either God or atheism.”
– U.S. 5 Star General Douglas MacArthur to visiting Catholic Bishop Fulton Sheen in Allied Occupied Japan
– Fr. Joseph
This ‘Planet Earth’ is a creation of GOD Who just so happens to be THE CREATOR of all that is seen and Unseen.
This ‘Planet Earth’ and ALL that is contained upon and within this planet earth properly and has always belonged TO HIM in the Very First Place.
And we, members of the Human Race, male or female, who are all created in His Image and Likeness are created to do GOOD THINGS with all that is ALREADY ‘GOOD’ in and across this planet earth with the particular TALENTS and CREATIVITY that our personally and uniquely OURS.
For in THAT way, we ‘work with’ and ‘cooperate with’ THE LOGOS in doing a ‘Divine Thing’ – which is helping-assisting GOD HIMSELF to bring about that which He Himself DESIRES for our World and for all of Mankind.
Every last ‘Ruler’ and ‘Ruling Assembly of People’ in the nations-states all across our contemporary World can GO READ just how to PROPERLY manage, utilize, develope and distribute the GOODS human beings the World over are capable of developing (if they WANTED TO) by reading and implementing the Economic-Financial Principles of ‘SOCIAL CREDIT’ presented here:
http://www.mondopolitico.com/library/socialcredit/prefacetofirsted.htm
Since ‘SOCIAL CREDIT’ is the application of the SOCIAL DOCTRINE of the Church:
http://www.michaeljournal.org/frankow.htm
“The faithful all lived together and owned everything in common…” Acts 2:44
We are all allowed our ‘PRIVATE PROPERTY’ in order to see to the material needs of ourselves and our families, but the momemt we FORGET that all of us have a HUMAN NATURE which moves, lives and has its being in this ‘Pure Gift’ of this World from our God and Father in Heaven.
And we DO NOT USE our talents and abilities and resources TO ASSIST others out of CHARITY in helping them in becoming PRODUCTIVE, CREATIVE and CONTRIBUTING members of the Human Race as well, then we make ourselves OBSTACLES to and ENEMIES OF God’s Divine Will for His Own Creation and His Own spiritual children all across this planet earth of His Making and His Sustaining.
– Fr. Joseph
Let us consider but for ONE FLEETING MOMENT where we’d all be if God did not give members of our Human Race MASTERY over His seen Creation.
Where would all of us be if MEN could not “crush” the crust of the earth and the mountains in order to bring forth BREAD and FOODSTUFFS of all sorts and kinds as well as every manner of FUEL and BUILDING MATERIALS? And where would all of us be if MEN simply refused to exert the effort in “crushing” the crust of the earth and the mountains in order to bring forth BREAD and FOODSTUFFS and all sorts of FUEL and BUILDING MATERIALS?
And if MEN would refuse to “crush” GRAPES, where would our Human Race be WITHOUT wine?
And if MEN would could but chose NOT TO “crush” mathematical equations, were would our Human Race be? What sorts of individual and communal lives would be relegated to have to live in and under?
If Pharmacists REFUSED to “crush” any number, sorts and types of solids and liquids in order to bring forth MEDICINES of all sorts, where would our Human Race ‘be’ and what sorts of lives would all of us be relegated to live in and under?
So our All-good God and Creator HAS given us members of the Human Race both a ‘Free Will’ as well as Divine ‘License’ to work at MASTERY over a multitude of things within His Seen Creation IN ORDER TO bring forth a DESIRED DEVELOPMENT of our entire Human Race – a Divine Development with the Divine Vision of bringing forth every manner of BLESSING and GOOD THING to the members of our Human Race.
Yet, there is this ‘UNSEEN’ aspect of our All-good God and Creator’s Creation – an Aspect of His Creation which can be ‘purely spiritual’ in relationship to our mortal and physical embodied/incarnate Human Natures wherein “purely spiritual” means we DO NOT see, witness or experience with our FIVE bodily senses of sight, hearing, taste, smell and touch.
And with regarding to this UNSEEN ‘purely spiritual’ Realm which does exist ‘side-by-side’ with us in this World of ours, it was God Incarnate Himself Who ‘Divinely Instructs’ and ‘Divinely Confirms’ all about it’s existance:
“The seventy-two came back rejoicing. ‘Lord,’ they said ‘even the devils submit to us when we use Your Name.’ He said to them, ‘I watched SATAN fall like lightning from heaven. Yes, I have given you power to tread underfoot (unseen purely spiritual – parens mine) serpents and scorpions and THE WHOLE STRENGTH OF THE (Satanic) ENEMY; nothing shall ever hurt you. Yet do not rejoice that the (unseen EVIL purely elemental – parens mine) SPIRITS submit to you; rejoice rather that your names are written in Heaven.” – Luke 10:17-20
Now the BISHOP OF ROME along with those Bishops in moral-spiritual UNION with him have been given a way and the power “TO CRUSH” Satan’s head, and along with Satan’s head goes the WHOLE STRENGTH of the legions of evil demonic spirits prowling about our entire World vexing, influencing, directing and instructing all sorts of ‘JUDAS TRAITORS’ of our very own Human Race.
One need only think about what sort of World we are all CURRENTLY LIVING IN on account of the Bishop of Rome and the Bishops of the Church in REFUSING TO “CRUSH” SATAN’S HEAD.
And people the World over need but only start looking deep down into the GOODNESS that truly resides in their God-given Human Natures in order to ENVISION, to FEEL, to DESIRE, to RECOGNIZE what sort of World our World would really and truly ‘BE’ if the head of Satan was ‘CRUSHED’ by those who have both God’s Authority and God’s Ability to do exactly that – the ‘CRUSHING OF’ Satan’s head.
“World Peace or the Annihilation of Nations? It Depends on 4600 Men’
http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr19/cr19pg31.asp
– Fr. Joseph
EVERYONE can do their own ‘itsy-bitsy’ something in order TO INFLUENCE others and in the process INFLUENCE GOD HIMSELF to bring about the ‘Divine Metanoia’ He Himself DESIRES to and for all of Mankind.
Here’s an ‘isty-bitsy’ thing EVERYONE here on RZN can do. Simply print out the following pages and MAIL THEM to your nation’s or state’s LEADERS of all sorts and types in the Government and Civic-Social N.G.O.s:
1) “To The Rulers Of The People”
“To all ‘podestas’, and consuls, judges and governors, IN WHATEVER PART OF THE WORLD, and to all others to whom this letter may come, Brother Francis, your little and contemptible servant, wishes health and peace to you.
“Consider and see that the day of death draws nigh. I ask you, therefore, with such reverence as I can, not to forget THE LORD on account of the cares and solicitudes of this world and not to turn aside from His Commandments, for all those who forget Him and decline from His Commandments are cursed and they shall be forgotten by Him. And when the day of death comes, ALL THAT THEY THINK THEY HAVE SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM. AND THE WISER AND MORE POWERFUL THEY MAY HAVE BEEN IN THIS WORLD, SO MUCH THE GREATER SHALL THEY ENDURE IN HELL…et al” – from
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/wosf/wosf15.htm
Include a copy of ‘Psalm 2’ along with St. Francis of Assisi’s letter to the Rulers of the Peoples of the World.
Psalm 2:
http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/psalms/psalm2.htm
This ‘itsy-bitsy’ thing is something that EVERYBODY here on RZN can do! No exceptions.
– Fr. Joseph
Yikes, this thread has taken on a sullen and hopeless tone.
I don’t want to sound like a “pie in the sky” optimist but DO NOT GIVE UP people.
WE have the Lord on our side, and yes things will be continue to spin out of control but don’t forget the Zionists are a tiny percentage of humans. The shills they control are also a small percent.
Don’t you think when push comes to shove all the sleeping Christians, along with other non-Jews will join in the revolt?
How could they possibly lock down Amerika when we have tons of weapons to protect ourselves? How many cops [excluding those dopes in LA] or guardsmen will follow orders to kill their neighbors?
This is the prediciment the Jews find themselves in, they play their games with politics and banking, start heinous wars and gleefully torture millions of souls.
But when they start the final war they will NOT prevail. They just don’t have the numbers, and the shills will abandon them like rats fleeing a sinking ship.
How many Jews do you know who even have the guts to fight one on one?
So please get yourselves ready and be prepared for what will be an ugly but victorious fight.
Dear russ,
It’s not a matter of ‘taking down’ Amerika or ANY OTHER NATION-STATE in our contemporary World.
That which is their ‘desired goal’ is to ‘TAKE DOWN’ as many currently alive human souls here in our World into HELL!
Try to put on the ‘mind of a Satanist-Illuminist’. Anything and everything CONTRARY to the Divine Will of our All-good God for this His seen Creation and for human beings created in His Image and Likeness ‘MUST BE’ promoted, arranged and executed.
There is a ‘strict hierarchy’ within the Satanic-Illuminist phalanx – and when an ‘order’ from ‘higher up’ is issued and given – that Satanic-Illuminist order MUST BE OBEYED!
Hence, the Satanic-Illuminist ‘agents’ (who owe absolulely NO ALLEGIANCE WHATSOEVER to any nation-state nor to anyone of the Human Race – except to themselves and their ‘own kind’) who are dispersed throughout our World get ‘The Order’ to begin their much desired thermonuclear Third World War, they will OBEY and they will COMPLY.
The Only Person Who reserves to Himself ‘The Right’ to DIRECTLY and IMMEDIATELY INTERFERe in the use and utilization of ANY sentient being, elemental spirit or incarnate spirit in nature, personal spiritual faculty of FREE WILL is God Himself.
God, our Almighty Creator, CAN ‘SUBDUE’ (or if you prefer ‘CRUSH’) any sentient, elemental or incarnate spirit in his/her/their ability to use-implement the actions of their FREE WILL in, upon and within His Own Seen Creation.
Go, our Almighty Creator, is ‘Perfectly Capable’ of seeing to it that our entire Human Race obtains the ‘Divine Gift of WORLD PEACE’.
But does our Church and our Human Race really and truly DESIRE ‘World Peace’?
It sure don’t look like it – well, at least not from the REAL ACTIONS on the parts of the Leaders of the Nation-States of our World as well as on the Leaders of the Church Militant here on earth.
– Fr. Joseph
MUST SEE VIDEO!
Hollywood Basterds by David Duke:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4EfufBl1cU
To: russ
Thanks so VERY MUCH for your post! I am in agreement with the main positive you post and see many more positives!
The football tailgate partygoers are a sleeping lethargic giant. An attempt to confiscate their guns and eliminate their right of speech and destroy their “taken for granted Constitution” may leave a lot of dead Zionist Jew bodies strewn across the landscape of America!
Right now I sense a stalemate in their activity! Abe “the super-Zionist Jew leader of the Anti-Defamation League” Foxman used the miserable AIPAC controlled Congress of the United States to pass the hate crimes bill about 6 months ago. So far I have read of no cases coming to trial. I am sure cases will be forthcoming but for now a stalemate!
We have seen the Georgian army, armed and trained by the US and Israel have their absolute butt kicked by Russia and Vladimir Putin. A checkmate of expanded military activity of US-Israel!
We have seen the blowhard cowards of murderous Israel threaten war against Iran, but for now nothing more than blowhard for three running years. Within the past week we have witnessed an election victory in the Ukraine!
I could go on and on, and I realize we are in crisis, but when the chips are down lethargic America will come out of lethargy and and rise to the occasion!
There are Tea parties forming up here in Northern Michigan.
The Campaign for Liberty does not seem to recognize the fact the Tea Party has been seduced by the Zionists/Jews.
Anyway, sending a contribution. Not much as I’m still on unemployment, but I know every little bit helps.
Cheers.
http://www.rense.com/general89/mssg.htm
Here is a link to a story from Dick Eastman about his experience with the takeover in Yakima, WA of the local tea party.
He shows how it is happening with local elections, too.
@ Norseman,
Thank you for your sincere words and apology.
Do forgive me, my brother in Christ, for my harsh words to you.
I am in the midst of dealing with lawyers, wicked “white” cops, freedom-denying police officers at the two police stations involved in the area of the median strip, who refuse to turn over the police reports.
I am not seeking any money compensation of this legal action I am pursuing, thus a “pro bono” lawyer is irrelevant.
Many do not know that I have a national law firm on retainer for all of my activities, including the Internet as well as the Street, and I am using an associate law firm in LA. They are FAST and EFFICIENT and the lawyer in particular is a CHRISTIAN at this LA firm and always ends our calls with, “God Bless You.”
Again, dear Norseman, please accept my sincere apologies to you for being a bit harsh with my words to you.
This is what CHRISTIANITY is really all about. The ability to say, “I’m sorry,” to both Christ and each other.
AND – THIS IS WHY I ***LOVE*** our Real Zionist News Family. Let’s keep a good thing going!
With Much Love in Christ Our God and Saviour,
+Brother Nathanael
Dear Brother Nathanel, you keep stating “white cops”, which is offensive to the anglo race.
Not all white people are bad. Most white people are humble, and law abiding Christians.
Really good, Bro. Nathanael, as usual.
I would hasten to add that McCain’s father helped cover-up the USS Liberty terrorist attack by Israel against a United States intel ship, and so you can be sure Palin was hand-picked from the get-go as a useful idiot goy Israel-firster.
Sadly, very few people understand the truth about what BN is saying here, that she is a Trojan Horse — “retarded”, said Rahm Emmanuel. He should know, since he and his hand picked her, I’d wager.
They have it cinched lock stock and barrel.
By the way, hi Big Brother! I hope you have been getting my Christmas cards.
Gather this, o ye Hunter Gatherers!
Put this in your shofar and blow it, ye Talmudic treacherous ones!
Brother Nate:
Your humility in the Norseman matter is nothing short of “CHAMPIONSHIP! Christianity!
Forgive and forgiveness are top sides of our Jesus Christ!
Brother Nate, sir, I doff my hat!
Fr. Joseph,
I totally agree with you, it will be very much a spiritual as well as physical confrontation.
This should be a wake up call to ALL Christian demomonations to get their act together and EDUCATE their flocks to this hellish takeover. Thanks to you Fr. Joseph for doing your part, I salute you.
The Brainy Zek is correct, they seemed to have pushed us about as far as they dare.
They know the jig is up!
How many people even knew of the Illuminati-NWO-ZOG or whatever “they” are called 50 years ago? SO many know of their evil deeds now, the leaders are identified and the agenda has been exposed.
As much as they try to brainwash and deaden our minds we have a pioneer and survival spirit, an inherent goodness buried in our souls, our God given gift that will prevail.
They will continue this sneaky, sleazy, perveted attack on us because that’s what they do best.
With champions like Brother Nathanael, Joe Cortina, Hoff, and so many others we will continue to expose these Satanists and their evil agenda.
“I find that God made man simple; man’s complex problems are of his own devising.”
– King Solomon as recorded by members of his court – the Book of Ecclesiastes, Qo 7:29
All of the “Social Engineering ‘ISMs'” down through the centuries of human history have had as as their cornerstone making the adherents of that ‘ism’ subserviant to the FOUNDER(S) of that ‘ism’.
For all of the manifold “isms” in our World today, from capitalISM, communISM, consumerISM, zionISM, feminISM, British IsraelISM and all of the other cock-n’-bullISMs, one one thing that they ALL have in common is the rejection of the ‘Social Engineering’ that our God, Creator and FATHER in Heaven has wanted to bring about to, with and throughout Mankind since ‘The Fall’.
With everyone playing at ‘The King of the Hill’ – or for the feminists…’The Queen of the Hill’ nowadays with their own particular political, social, economic or religious ‘ism’, it is simply going to take God the Father’s Own Divine and Supernatural INTERVENTION in our World, in Human History, in order to get ALL OF US out of this fine mess of ours.
Does anybody see any other Option???
A Second Pentecost surely would be helpful – and the Mother of God Incarnate Jesus Christ informed us all as Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal ‘Only I can help you.’
And THAT’S because ‘The Lord UPHOLDS the rights of a Mother over her children.’ – Ecclesiasticus 3:2.
If her Son’s Own CHURCH Militant here on earth doesn’t want to COOPERATE with the Mother of God in securing her Divine Rights as the Mother of the Church as well as the New Eve of all of Mankind, there truly is very little we can do about that, just as there is very little we can do about all of the manifold “isms” throughout our World REFUSING to cooperate with the Divine Will of God Himself for all of His Own Mankind.
There are those who are ‘optimists’, there are those who are ‘pessimists’ – and there ARE some of us who are ‘realists’.
– Fr. Joseph
To concrete-man:
You took the words out of my mouth! D.D. is a great man who has been brow beaten by the Jews for many years and now D.D. is throwing it back at them, nice to see.
SARAH PALIN I have a saying for you, “You’re slipperier than a Squid dipped in oil.”
As for giving up any hope to save America, think this way, there must be 2,000,000 people who are on to these parasites, if each person woke up 5 people a week and the newly awakened did the same, then in approx. 3 months we would be close to 200,000,000.
Then we could have a good ol’ Christan tea party.
B.N. you will live forever because they are weak and you are strong. Great article.
@ Jeremy –
I keep on saying that these LA devils were “white cops,” (obviously, you have NOT been following the whole thread of my comments since 4 articles ago,) BECAUSE:
When I went to the UCLA campus the next two days, the “hispanic” cops respected my first amendment rights on the median in Westwood village, the heart of the UCLA campus. +bn
GOD BLESS YOU Brother Nathanael, for the Holy Spirit really works through you, and you are a true disciple of Jesus Christ.
You just reminded me of my father, may he rest in Peace. He was a good man, he had a “golden heart”, but at the same time he was a fighter.
Sometimes, he got very angry and spoke very loud and even cursed a bit. But – if he realized that he had exaggerated – he immediately, most humbly and sincerely, showed his love to the person he was just speaking to.
I think most good fathers are like this, they may be strict and rough, but still keep humble and “soft” in their hearts.
In your ministry, Brother Nathanael, you are indeed the SPIRITUAL FATHER and guide of the RZN family.
And this is the essence of Christianity, for our Lord Jesus himself said:
“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” (John 13: 34-35)
You, my brother in Christ, are a true disciple of Jesus Christ.
With much love and appreciation for your efforts and ministry,
Norseman
THE FIGHT AGAINST FREEMASONS AND JEWS: A REAL EXAMPLE
Now regarding the “legal” matter.
It is very good Brother Nathanael that you appointed a Christian lawyer, he will know of the dangers ahead.
BECAUSE YOU ARE FIGHTING FOR THE CROSS, GOD WILL GRANT YOU VICTORY OVER THE POWERS THAT BE.
What I wrote in my earlier post about my own experiences with the law system is in fact different, because I was only trying to pursue “mundane” objectives. Still, I will explain a little bit more about it, because it may be useful for RZN readers.
I was at one point applying for a higher position in my job, and at the same time trying to get funding for a large, really productive project (no speculation).
While presenting the project, the man in charge, in a high position, identified himself as a FREEMASON with the typical HANDSHAKE, and also by writing a “recommendation letter” bearing the TYPICAL THREE POINTS in his signature (I still keep this document!). Since I –God forbid- am not part of the “Synagoge of Satan”, the project got rejected. At the same time, Jews and their stooges used every dirty trick to prevent my promotion, even illegal ones.
Thus I went to justice and presented my case, which normally would end in a favourable ruling. Not this time. I could find out that almost ALL JUDGES WERE FREEMASONS themselves, and obviously would not rule against their brethren. So I lost the case and several thousand bucks.
I think that God taught me a lesson in that particular case. Later, I had the opportunity of applying for a promotion once again. Again, “they” used all dirty tricks, legal and illegal. This time I did not go to the courts, I STARTED PRAYING GOD TO HELP ME. And, folks, here is the surprise: I GOT THE PROMOTION THIS TIME!!
Thus, from that story I learned the following:
-YOU CANNOT BEAT THE SYSTEM FROM WITHIN, because it is 100% rotten and in the hands of Satan, the ruler of this world. This is what is happening to the Tea Party Movement right now.
-Each one of us has to carry its own cross if we want to be real disciples of Jesus Christ. We should be actually happy to be persecuted by the globalist cabal, because it means that you are doing the right things in the eyes of God.
-God is a severe Father, he will punish even the smallest sin of his own children. He lets the Satanists unpunished even for worse undoings, because they are already lost, “He does not know them”.
-Finally and most important: ONLY BY THE INTERCESSION OF GOD CAN WE DEFEAT SATAN AND HIS STOOGES IN THIS WORLD.
I hope that this little story may be of help.
Norseman
On the Meaning of Biblical Prophecy
By John C. Trevor
Professor of Religion, Baldwin-Wallace College
http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/articles/bible/trevor_biblical_prophecy.htm
Every world crisis since the completion of the Biblical Canon in the first and fourth centuries has provoked certain Christians to search their Bibles for any possible parallels to so-called “Biblical prophecy.”
With the present military and verbal conflicts in the Middle East, Christians are once again being flooded with claims that the ancient prophets predicted these events. The widely publicized film, “His Land,” sponsored by the Billy Graham Foundation, is a graphic portrayal of the process.
Conservative religions literature abounds in the emphasis. In the face of the added menace of a potential nuclear confrontation between world powers, it is particularly urgent right now that every Christian pay sober attention to the historic meaning of “Biblical prophecy” lest he become a victim of the propagandist’s machinations.
A little study now will go a long way in easing the layman’s mind in the midst of the conflicting voices and perhaps spare him the agony of disillusionment later. [Worth the study…]
Conclusions
Indiscriminate combining and equating of quotations from apocalyptic literature with passages from the classical prophets of ancient Israel and Judah, as is done by those who claim that the Bible is being fulfilled in Palestine today, is therefore a serious breach of academic honesty and a violation of historical integrity.
On the other hand, failure to see the promises of God to Abraham in the light of the Mosaic Law and the centrality of Covenant morality in the stream of prophetic pronouncements is to prostitute the moral focus of the Bible. When we read, therefore, in Genesis 15: 18:
On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abraham saying, “To your descendants I give this land, from the wadi of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates…” and claim that its fulfillment began with the Partition of Palestine in 1948, we are misusing the Bible.
That promise [in light of the Jews’ ancient rejection of the Covenant of Christ which is intimately linked to the Covenant of Abraham] must be read in the light of the Books of Exodus, Deuteronomy, and Joshua, which already record the historic fulfillment of the Genesis passage.
But even more do we misuse the Bible when we forget its central concern for morality and Covenant responsibility on the part of those who would claim to be God’s people who were “chosen” for responsibility [to be the people who brought forth Christ], not privilege. Thus we must also put beside Genesis 15:18 such passages as Deuteronomy 7:12 and 8:19-20:
”And because you hearken to these ordinances, and keep and do them, the LORD your God will keep with you the covenant and the steadfast love which he swore to your fathers to keep…”
“…And if you forget the LORD your God and go after other gods and serve them and worship them, I solemnly warn you this day that you shall surely perish. Like the nations that the LORD makes to perish before you, so shall you perish, because you would not obey the voice of the LORD your God.”
From the standpoint of Biblical prophecy, therefore, to evaluate the situation in Palestine today apart from its relevance to Covenant morality, the heart of the Mosaic and classical prophetic pronouncements, is to falsify the Biblical message and prostitute its purpose.
Christians should ask again the obvious question in the face of the Middle East crisis. “Is the God we worship One who works in history through geopolitics, or through men who respond in faith to His moral demands and spiritual guidance?” It is only a blind [and corrupt, demonic apostate] faith that can see the God of Jesus Christ at work in most of the events in the Middle East today, as the Graham film “His Land” so naively suggests.
According to the central Biblical prophecy, therefore, the State of Israel today must stand under the moral judgment of God on the same Covenant terms that were proclaimed to ancient Israel and Judah, if she is to claim anything from that Biblical heritage. On such a basis the present events in Palestine cannot possibly be interpreted as fulfilling Biblical prophecy. Instead we should be reminded of the poignant words of Isaiah:
Zion [the Church-Israel continuous from OT Righteous Faithful to NT Righteous Faithful symbolized by the ‘7,000 faithful reserved to God who had not bent the knee to Baal’] shall be redeemed by justice, and those in her who repent, by righteousness. But rebels and sinners shall be destroyed together, And those who forsake the LORD shall be consumed. (1:27-28)
What we see happening in Palestine today is purely secular, political nationalism at work; and it must be viewed and evaluated in terms of other ethnic, political nationalisms of our day.”
~~~
[Comments in above brackets by Kj.
The Jews denied and forsook, and crucified their Messiah, Jesus Christ, 2,000 years ago; therefore they also forsook the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel, and Moses, as they do so today and His Covenant, and so do their Zionist and “Judaeo-Christian” Zionist spiritual offspring and apostate children of hell.]
Dear Prodigal son –
You once asked if the skin color on icons mean anything. Yes and no. For the most part, it depends on the traditional artistic canons, techniques, patterns and the particular schools of iconography and religious art.
Most Eastern iconography is done in egg tempura, which has the unique quality of being able to be painted in layers built up and detailed from shades of dark to light, and the light colors remain opaque to the dark background while the overall icon retains a translucent quality, whereas oil, watercolor, acrylics have to start with the lightest color and darker tones are then shaded in, otherwise applying light over dark often dulls or muddies the light tones.
The idea behind writing the layers of iconography from dark to light is to symbolize in a subdued way the gradual enlightenment of the heart in Christ with the “energy” of the Uncreated Light of God (symbolized by the gold leaf background applied first) by the grace of the Holy Spirit.
Certain variances between Eastern and Western traditions (which tend to be more naturalistic and/or “European”), although at times they can also at times incorporate certain ethnic features as well, such as the holy Abba Moses the Black, or the martyrs during the Tartar, Mongol, or Ottoman yokes who were converts to Christianity and refused to recant.
RIGHTEOUS PROPHET JOSHUA – Commander of the Faithful of Israel
Then He inaugurated Joshua the son of Nun, and said, “Be strong and of good courage; for you shall bring the children of Israel into the land of which I swore to them, and I will be with you.” (Deut. 31:23). Some icons – the last is my favorite.
https://www.archangelsbooks.com/proddetail.asp?prod=HTM%2DA234
http://www.orthodoxiconsonline.com/products_tn.asp?cat=112
http://iconstudio.jordanville.org/prophets.html
http://www.skete.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=587&Category_ID=37
“And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho that he looked up with his eyes and behold! saw a man standing before him with his sword drawn in his hand. And Joshua drew near him and said, ‘Are you for us or on the side of our adversaries?’
And he said to him, ‘No, I am now come, the Archistrategos of the host of the Lord’.
And Joshua fell on his face upon the earth and paid homage to him, and said to him “Lord, what commandest thou thy servant?” And the Archistrategos of the host of the Lord said to Joshua, ‘Loose thy shoe off thy feet, for the place whereon thou now stand is holy.” (Joshua 5:13-16).
Righteous Joshua, Son of Nun
In the Septuagint he is called Iesous, the Greek form of Joshua. Of the Hebrews who fled Egypt in the Exodus, only he and Caleb were found worthy to enter the Promised Land. He was Moses’ chosen successor to lead the Hebrew people.
Saint Iesous Son of Navin (Joshua son of Nun; Jesus) after the death of the Prophet Moses was leader and commander of the armies of the Israelite People. He conquered the Promised Land and brought upon it the Hebrew nation – the OT Church of Israel. The Lord worked a great miracle through Iesous Navinos.
The children of Israel went across the River Jordan as though on dry land, the Archistrategos of the Lord God of Sabaoth appeared to Iesous Navinos, and the walls of the city Jericho – besieged by the Israelites – fell down by themselves after the Ark of the Covenant was carried around the city during the course of seven days.
Finally at the time of the battle with the enemy, Iesous Navinos, by the will of God, halted the motion of the sun and prolonged the day until that moment when victory was won. After the end of the war, Iesous Navinos divided the Promised Land among the 12 Tribes of Israel, a type for the heavenly Promised Land. He died at 110 years of age (XVI Century B.C.), in his last will commanding the nation to preserve the Law of Moses. All these events are recounted in the Book of Jesus Navinos (Joshua) (Chapters 3, 5, 6, 10), which is included within the Holy Bible.
The Angels of God have been commemorated by men from the earliest times, but this commemoration often degenerates into the divinization of angels (IV Kings 23:5; A.V. II Kings). Heretics always wove fantasies round the angels. Some of them saw the angels as gods and others, if they did not so regard them, took them to be the creators of the whole visible world.
The local Council in Laodicea, which was held in the fourth century, rejected in its 35th Canon the worship of angels as gods, and established the proper veneration of them. In the time of Patriarch Alexander of Alexandria and Pope Sylvester of Rome, in the fourth century, this Feast of the Archangel Michael and the other heavenly powers was instituted, to be celebrated in November.
Why in November? Because November is the ninth month after March, and it is thought that the world was created in the month of March. The ninth month after March was chosen because of the nine orders of angels that were the first created beings, and therefore the first members of the Church.
St. Dionysius the Areopagite, a disciple of the Apostle Paul (that Apostle who was caught up to the third heaven), writes of these nine orders in his book: ‘Celestial Hierarchies’. These orders are as follows: six-winged Seraphim, many-eyed Cherubim, godly Thrones, Dominions, Virtues, Powers, Principalities, Archangels and Angels.
But while Angels are mighty and powerful and fearsome, they are creatures with free will, who also make a choice to worship God, nor are they all-seeing or all-knowing. We know this because not all of them made that choice. Our third reading at Vespers, from the 14th chapter of the Book of Isaiah:
“How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! He who sends for all the nations is crushed to the earth! For you have said in your heart, “I will ascend into heaven, I will place my throne above the stars of heaven, I will sit on a lofty mountain, on the lofty mountains toward the north. I will ascend above the clouds, I will be like the Most High. But now you descend to Hades, to the foundations of the earth.”
Lucifer and those who followed him fell, and were cast out. We heard Jesus tell his disciples, “I saw Satan fall like lightening from heaven”. Even among the angels, the proud fall. Lucifer and those with him, who continually saw the face of God and participated in the eternal worship, lost everything because of pride.
Those angels who remain with the Lord, however, did not fall to pride. Indeed, what characterizes the angels we celebrate today is humility. As much as power, as much as might, as much as any of these, the angels we sing of today are humble before the Lord.
Michael is one of the principal angels in Abrahamic tradition; his name was said to have been the war-cry of the angels in the battle fought in heaven against Satan and his followers. He is generally referred to in Christian litanies as “Saint Michael the Archangel.” Orthodoxy accords him the title Archistrategos, or Supreme Commander, of the Heavenly Hosts.
When Satan, Lucifer, fell away from God, and carried a third of the angels with him to destruction, then the Archestrategos Michael arose and cried to the unfallen angels:
‘Let us give heed! Let us stand aright! let us stand with fear!’ and the whole angelic army sang aloud: ‘Holy, holy, holy Lord God of Sabaoth; heaven and earth are full of Thy glory!’ (See on the Archangel Michael: Joshua 5:13-15 and Jude v.9).
Among the angels there rules a perfect unity of mind, of soul and of love; of total obedience of the lesser powers to the greater and of all to the holy will of God. Each nation has its guardian angel, as does each individual Christian.
We must keep in mind that, whatever we do, publicly or in secret, we do in the presence of our guardian angel and that, on the Day of Judgment, a great multitude of the holy angels of heaven will be gathered around the throne of Christ, and the thoughts, words and deeds of every man will be laid bare before them.
May God have mercy on us and save us at the prayers of the holy Archangel Michael and all the bodiless powers of heaven. Amen.
Troparion
Supreme Leaders of the Heavenly Hosts,/ we implore you that by your prayers you will encircle us,/ unworthy as we are,/ with the protection of the wings of your immaterial glory/ and guard us who fall down before you and fervently cry:/ deliver us from dangers,/ for you are the commanders of the powers above.
Another Troparion
Let us praise Cherubim, Seraphim, Thrones, Powers, Authorities and Principalities,/ Dominions, Archangels and Angels,/ for they are the Bodiless ministers of the Unoriginate Trinity/ and revealers of incomprehensible mysteries./ Glory to Him Who has given you being; glory to Him Who has given you light;/ glory to Him Who is praised by you in thrice-holy hymns.
Kontakion
Supreme Leaders of God’s armies and ministers of the divine glory,/ princes of the bodiless Angels and guides of men,/ ask what is good for us and great mercy,/ as Supreme Leaders of the Bodiless Hosts.
Prodigal son, Norseman, BotheexMarine, Joe Cortina, MichaelK, russ, Greg, brainy zek and the rest of RZN family, let us with BN attend to the voice of this great patriot of Heaven, the Archistrategos Michael:
‘Let us give heed! Let us stand aright! Let us stand with fear!’ And the whole angelic army sang aloud: ‘Holy, holy holy, Lord God of Sabaoth; heaven and earth are full of Thy glory!’
IC XC
NI KE
@ Concrete Man-
Thanks for the link from Dr. Duke.
Hollywood Basterds by David Duke:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4EfufBl1cU
Hollywood is a anti-goy NWO psyop supporter of Jewish supremacism. EVERYBODY should boycott their Kosher nepotistic commercial mockery of the masses. With hints of their plans like 2012 and Avatar to mock us all — how TWISTED! Theyr’e introducing little kids to occult paganism with garbage like Harry Potter. An abomination if their ever was one — tricking children into pagan garbage.
Wake up Amerika!
Quit watching that Khazar Hollyweird jive!
In order too understand who really ru(i)ns Amerika EVERYBODY HAS GOT TO SEE-
“Rothschilds’ Choice” by Texe Marrs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbbf7yugiZQ&feature=related
(How Obamanation was appointed CFR Bilderberg approved teleprompter puppet)
Modern US History in a Phrase:
People need to understand the globalist banksters and their Fed Bank from hell are the President, Congress, and Judiciary.
That’s the real history of modern era Amerika and more NEED to TELL IT LIKE IT IS.
Yeah, Palin is moving in to try to control the Tea Party movement – or what’s left of it.
Imagine Palin as president in 2012…
I think its most appropriate for this zombie nation! She’s one step up from Arnold for the office.
Jonah
Hawaii (former British colony)
Occurred earlier today:
If this isn’t just convenient and/or made to order for propaganda value in view of all the ‘Anti-tax Tea Parties’ Protests against Obamanoid…remember the semi-quashed DOJ report from last year targeting disgruntled, dispossessed and protesting conservative, patriotic, Christian Americans as “terrorists?”
(Jonestein, how come you’re not all over this? This is in your neck of the woods! Isn’t this one of your specialties? Tax-protesting?)
Tax Protester Crashes Plane Into IRS Office
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703315004575073401102945506.html?mod=WSJ_newsreel_us
AUSTIN, Texas — A pilot slammed his small plane into a seven-story building that housed the local office of the Internal Revenue Service Thursday, apparently killing himself and one agency employee, in what federal officials described as a deliberate suicide attack amid a long-running tax dispute.
The pilot, 53-year-old Andrew Joseph Stack, also set his house on fire [house actually exploded 1 hour before this crash, see rest of story] before taking off in his single-engine Piper Dakota around 9:40 a.m. local time, investigators said.
Officials said they were evaluating an antigovernment manifesto posted on the Internet earlier Thursday, signed “Joe Stack,” which suggested he planned the crash. “Violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer,” the author wrote toward the end of a tirade against the IRS posted at 9:12 a.m. on a Web site registered to Mr. Stack. He described himself as a contract software engineer. [Within a few hours the FBI had shut down the site as well.]
The police said they recovered one unidentified body by late Thursday.
Thirteen people were injured, including two IRS employees who remained hospitalized for critical injuries. More than 100 IRS employees work at the building.
Officials labeled the crash a criminal, not terrorist, attack. “I consider this a criminal act by a lone individual,” said Police Chief Art Acevedo.
Still, the North American Aerospace Defense Command launched two F-16 fighter aircraft to patrol the air after the crash.
Spokesman Jamie Graybeal called it “a prudent precaution and consistent with our response to recent similar air incidents.”
The White House said President Barack Obama was briefed on the plane crash after noon. […]
More at webpage.
“Still, the North American Aerospace Defense Command launched two F-16 fighter aircraft to patrol the air after the crash.”
That’s right, lock the barn door after the horse has left …
Br. Nathanael,
You have contributed so mightily much to the world, now it is time for your articles to do the rest of the work and reach more and more people as your articles spread endlessly.
I have no right to tell you how to live, but may I suggest to just do your best at you own pace, try not to overextend yoursef anymore, even though there is no practical way of avoiding it with all the Holy work involved in you life, for I hope that you will not burn yourself out by overburdening yourself with your research, as righteous and necessary as it is.
You will be needed very soon in solid health in mind, spirit, and body when the Antichrist arrives, because there are few like you who could stand up to and reveal the Antichrist. The Elite Jews and their thugs will not touch you, for the Antichrist will want a True man of Christ like you for himself, and he will not harm you because you will be prepared and protected by Jesus Christ and the Father.
Please take it easy for all of us, do things in moderation in order to build back your health and state of mind, for you have suffered through so much in the Name of Jesus Christ, and this will NOT be forgotten by Jesus Christ.
Peace!
Frank
Dear KathJuliane,
Thank you for the links! (Keep ’em comin’!)
Re: skin color on icons… Actually I had expressed suspicion that the depicted Saints had started out dark and ended up light due to racism (similar to the way Jesus Christ – a Judahite – has been represented w/ blonde hair and blue eyes)…
Good to know that this may be due to the science of icons rather than any ulterior motives though. I do abhore racism of any kind.
I know that the powers that be would like to suggest that I am a racist in that I am ‘anti-Semitic’ – but we all know that is a misnomer in dealing with Khazars (who are no less white than I am!)
It would be closer to say that I am anti-‘Jewish’… but even that is misleading because those who call themselves ‘Jews’ (Judahites) today are NOT really Judahites – they are LIARS.
So what I really am is anti-Pharisaic… and of course Pharisees are NOT a race – but are an anti-Christ RELIGIOUS CULT; claiming to be a race and discriminating against all other religions AND races… Therefore my anti-Pharisaism is a REACTION to the anti-Christian/anti-‘Gentile’ teachings found in the Talmud and other ‘rabbinical’ writings.
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What a coincidence that you brought up St. Joshua!
It was only last night I was doing research into whether or not I would have to change my name upon my Orthodox Chrismation!
I learned that since I was given a name which already coincides w/ that of an O.T. Saint that a name change in my case is actually discouraged… so it looks like I’ll be keeping the handle my mother gave me.
Just one more reason for me to be thankful to her for being wiser than I knew!
More on St. Joshua – son of Nun… who was the one who apportioned the land of Israel to the twelve tribes in the Promised Land:
http://ocafs.oca.org/FeastSaintsViewer.asp?SID=4&ID=1&FSID=102456
BREAKING – PURPORTED LETTER FROM AUSTIN PILOT (STACK) WHO CRASHED HIS PLANE INTO THE IRS
I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after.
But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.
I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are.
Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of sh*t at the top have known this all along and have been laughing at, and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.
I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.
From:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/breaking-purported-letter-austin-pilot-who-crashed-his-plane-irs#comments
May God have mercy on his soul!
Great job on the Palin article.
The Zionist forces really play hardball in various devious ways that are hard for the average person to relate to or believe. Our best offense is to be more spiritual, filled with God, and the Holy Spirit…wise as serpents, harmless as doves…Christians are to emulate Jesus…as the Father sent me so send I you…Jesus did not suck up to the Pharisees, but openly challenged them.
Everyone who reads or links here should make a commitment to send financial help to support Br. Nathanael…Make it definite.
The Lord will bless you.
Michael
Dear russ,
Thank you so much for your kind words and encouragement. I really needed to ‘hear’ that this morning.
I was wrestling with this inner spiritual disposition of frustration, anger and spirit of bitterness most of the day yesterday. And all I could do was but to go to my hermitage’s Altar, to the Blessed Sacrament, and in ‘disbelief-disgust’ simply wound up telling the Lord I was and am SO SORRY just about everything under His sun and on this planet earth of His was so FOULED UP.
And I confessed my ANGER that of these efforts of mine to correct, address or combat all of these things for the past SIXTEEN YEARS seems to be such a WASTE OF TIME. And I had to (and still DO) have to shake off this kinda/sorta ‘loathing resentment’ that so many people I’ve informed or contacted both in the Church and in our World’s Governments just turn their heads and allow all of this simply TO CONTINUE to happen!
Anyways, on my way to work last night (yes, I support myself, others and several religious charities by my own HOURLY WAGES), God the Father of us all granted me – once again – a most blessed grace of consolation.
When I obtain those graces and moments of clear insight and inspiration from His Holy Spirit, I make it a point to jot them down in order to ‘capture’ them, Precious Moments of grace that they are to me and the inner effect they have on me.
This is what I jot down to myself while enjoying that Moment of Grace last night on the way to work:
“We are all but KIDDIN’ OURSELVES bethinking that we are going to have lives of Blessed Contentment and Fulfillment WITHOUT seeing to it that God our Divine Father’s Divine Will is undertaken, carried out and MADE MANIFESTED in this World of ours.”
So, you see my dear brother Russ, how right you ARE in your own personal spiritual assessment regarding ‘The Big Picture’ of our Church and our World in this year 2010 Anno Domini.
It’s truly time for people throughout the Church and throughout our contemporary World to ‘WAKE UP!’ and EXERT THEMSELVES in BOTH putting a halt to all of these EVILS running unchecked and unimpeded all across our World!
– Fr. Joseph
Thank you so much Br. Nathanael for all your hard work.
Our Lord has surely blessed you. As myself and many other people come to this web-site and get to learn the Truth and the love of our LORD JESUS CHRIST.
One may ask “How long are the people going to stand for such a state of affairs?” Revolution is not the answer. Revolution only plays into the hands of the evil. Only the indignant voice of the masses of all free nations can insist that their elected representatives end the totalitarian plans of the moneylenders before they reach their goal.
We have been at war now since 2003, but really not a war since we do not know who the enemy really is. Any unbiased person must admit that it is not the common people of the democracies who demand that their governments carry out such a policy of hatred and injustice against the MUSLIM PEOPLE.
It is the evil powers behind the scenes of government who are responsible. The evil policy is based on devilish cunning. They know that a house divided against itself must surely fall. That nations divided against each other must surely be subjugated also.
The more human beings are forced to fight each other, the stronger grow those who sit back and push them into wars. By allowing this secret scheming, plotting, and planning to continue we are allowing the forces of evil to make us commit national and racial suicide.
So if you have read any other articles by Br. Nathanael, he explains WHO the evil forces are. This website to me is a golden lamp stand as I work shift work and rotating days, I can not go to church all the time (Lutheran Church). By the way there is no Lutheran Church in Israel as they will not allow one to be built. Hmmm I wonder why?
To KathJuliane, I loved that piece on Joshua. Also, if I might add in Joshua 21:43 – God did fulfill His promise and gave Israel all the land he had promised to give their forefathers.
To all RZN members thank you for all your comments, it is such a pleasure to see the love of Christ here.
Paul
The true Israel is not composed of any Nation or race. It is composed of those who accept Jesus Christ in Faith.
“Ernst Zundel…[70 yrs old]…will soon be released from prison after serving his five-year sentence for denying the Holocaust…He was convicted in February 2007 of 14 counts of inciting hatred for years of anti-Semitic activities, including contributing to a website devoted to denying the Holocaust – a crime in Germany. Prosecutors were able to bring charges in Germany because the website was accessible there.”
“In February 2005, Federal Court of Canada Justice Pierre Blais ruled that Zundel’s activities were not only a threat to national security, but “the international community of nations” as well, clearing the way for his deportation to Germany.”
“Zundel spent the last two years of his time in Canada in solitary confinement in a Toronto jail under anti-terrorism legislation.”
[People can dispute facts/events/motivations of the American revolution, the Civil War, endless world events throughout history, etc., with no legal consequences, but they are forbidden upon penalty of incarceration–5 yrs in prison for a 65 yr old guy for speech…as a terrorist?– for questioning an “official” holocaust story.
What other speech is so forbidden in modern nations? Thought crimes. Speech crimes. No other WWII crimes against other peoples may be mentioned…or researched. And what exactly IS the official story, anyway?
It keeps changing.
The Jews have admitted over time that “true” accounts of them being used for Nazi/German lamp shades, soap fat, road tar…have ALL been debunked. The “6,000,000 (Jews killed)” has been a Kabbalistic number of great significance to them for ages and was floated among them as early as 1942 as a figure to present to the world.
The number of survivors (incl. still living), and the fact that they claim to have attended, on average, 5 death camps each–described with great embellishment–belies the supposed extermination activities. The numbers just don’t add up.
Many stories are fabricated (incl. Anne Frank which was ghostwritten and the author had to sue his Jewish client to get paid) and the pictures of stacked bodies are often of those who died from disease or the firebombing of Dresden. However, to question any part of it is criminal.
What other event in Earth’s history is forbidden to be researched…or to have differing opinions/interpretations? This is not science (history), it is religion. No questions are allowed.
We, the people of the world, are FORCED to belong to it. The ADL and Foxman are the high priests of holocaustianity which is to replace Christianity in significance in the modern era, and only they may hand down divine writ–infidels and heathens are to be punished (as was the case in the grand ol’ OT).
Thought crime prosecution/persecution is but a hair’s breadth away for American citizens. Beware.]
Perfect title for this report, “Zionists Devour Tea Party with Palin Trojan Horse”.
I plan to read all that you have written about their Sarah, Brother Nathanael.
Thanks for the links.
Thinker,
Actually the ‘six million’ was ‘floated’ even earlier than that! Like WWI!
‘Jews complained about a holocaust in 1919! “Six million men and women are dying … eight hundred thousand children cry for bread. And this fate is upon them through no fault of their own (HA!), … but through the awful tyranny of war and a bigoted lust for Jewish blood. In this threatened holocaust of human life …”
– The American Hebrew (New York, issue 582 of October 31, 1919)’
And if you think SIX million is suspect… what would you say to SIXTEEN million?
How about FOUR BILLION?
‘The Talmud also has atrocity claims which demonstrate the LYING ‘Jewish’ mentality: Gittin 57b claims that four billion ‘Jews’ were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar.
Gittin 58a claims that 16 million ‘Jewish’ children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by the Romans.’
From:
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-holocaust-lies-hoax-frauds-blackflagops-hoaxarchive.html
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You said, “Thought crime prosecution/persecution is but a hair’s breadth away for American citizens. Beware.”
I say speak up NOW – while we still can. Besides that – the more people they lock up, the more obvious it becomes that they’re hiding something!
When they locked up Ernst Zundel — they made themselves look ridiculous — and they know it! They have NO CLOTHES!
How – praytell – can a 65 yr old historian be a threat to Canada’s National security? It’s LUDICROUS!!
They can lock me up; they could even kill me – but the truth has already set me free, so let them come.
Ernst Zundel’s website:
http://www.zundelsite.org/
(Now run by his wife – who will likely never see Ernst again. America & Canada will refuse him re-entry because he is a ‘threat to national security’ (HA!)… and if his wife set foot in Germany she would likely be arrested for keeping his website running.)
Very interesting posts on the Holocaust
@The Prodigal Son and others.
RE: Zundel
It’s really pathetic that an elderly academic is put in lock down because he dares to question the ruling Barons on the global Khazar feudal plantation’s official line. Their banks funded the States that carried out WW2 and they own the publishers and fund the mainline academics and press who “tell” us how it really all went down. That in itself is a conflict of interest.
I’m no historian, but within the American ethos (really Western ethos – but I’m biased towards what my Country used to be before it began sinking like a stone in a lake of lies), the need for open intellectual debate and consideration of many ideas in the public realm should not merit coercion by the barrel of a gun via the totalitarian state.
Ignoring the First Amendment because it doesn’t suit your Georgia Guidestones genocidal agenda – That’s ILLEGAL (if your’e not a post-modern, moral relativist and believe in the FACT that a Nation’s founding documents are the HIGHEST FORM OF LAW it can have – unlike the Illunimati).
If an idea is true it can emerge on it’s own – it needs no defense. To end the debate before it even begins is entirely bogus.
It reminds one of the government courts culture today. It has a fast-food type of corporate draconian corruption vibe to it rather than being a rational process of civlity and respected tradition among equal (before the law) parties, like the wise anti-federalist benevolent (hence uncorrupt by urban group think cronyism-like Hamiltonian Federalist Land-New Yuck) agrarian originators intended.
Wev’e seen federalism manifest its urban, bankster-Ponzi-scheme ugly head leading us to where we are today as a Nation, and the results are pure misery for all in favor of the elites. Anti-federalism is the way to go unless your’e a globalist type.
The fact that one person’s ideas can bring gunmen to put him in a cage ran by mega corporations for simply having an idea shows the fear and intolerance by those who howl about the aforementioned concepts themselves.
Political correctness is mind control to end the debate before it even begins. Even if Zundel was an unsavory character with fraudulent ideas, the Khazar academic and media establishment, as entrenched as they are, should have no problem debating and refuting his alleged fallacies – but instead they put him into a corporate cage for even questioning their position.
The debate could never even begin. The game was rigged from the start. It reminds me of elections and all these great movements (i.e., The Tea and Bagel Party).
The truth will emerge in victory – look at what the beast system did to Jesus and Paul. Did they stop them and the truth they spoke to humanity for God’s glory? NO WAY! TRUTH CANNOT BE STOPPED!
We could infer that Zundel was persecuted because they had no valid answer or intention to overcome his ideas in an honest civil debate. Most people are reasonable and if their presuppositions can be proven invalid, then they will generally reconsider their previous ideas and move towards correcting error for truth.
For instance, I used to be deceived by the Christian Zionists dispensationalist pick and choose political theology. That has changed. The way the establishment behaves makes one question the whole debate on these Khazar thought-police heated issues. We all know the Khazar ruling class have massive egos, but the First Amendment is a better point of reference for a society than the delusions of ego-maniac sociopaths.
By the way – if any academic should’ve been persecuted it was the detestable monster named Karl Marx for his spawning as a Rothschild agent (according to Rumor Mill) over a Century of LITERAL HELL ON EARTH.
Talk about chutzpah!
I got word that there was a show on ‘The History Channel’ about the traitorous PAID spy Jonathan Pollard.
Now I’m not much for television but this piqued my interest!
The show is titled ‘Betrayal’… which I thought would indicate that Pollard’s treasonous actions against his native land of America would be exposed. Boy was I wrong!
This show is in fact called ‘Betrayal’ because it depicts Pollard as a ‘Jewish’ hero (!) – a victim who was betrayed by Israel & the United States!
It puts forth (as fact) the idea that Pollard was providing Israel with information that the U.S. SHOULD have voluntarily given them! After all – they are our only ally in the Middle East…
This show actually expects us to believe that he only did what he did in order to prevent another ‘Jewish’ HOLOCAUST! Ha ha ha ha ha!!
I did however learn a couple of things I didn’t know about this story.
1. Pollard’s wife (also ‘Jewish’) was also involved. During his interrogation by the FBI, he called her and uttered a code word – ‘cactus’, whereupon she was to gather all of the stolen documents from their apartment and hide all of the evidence.
She did so – but she didn’t get them all, and when the FBI searched the place they found all sorts of classified information indicating a serious breach of national security. She received what I would call a lenient sentence of 5 years in prison (of which she only served 3 1/2).
She claims the other female prisoners in the jail chanted nonstop – calling her a “dirty Jew spy”, and that she didn’t sleep for MONTHS. (Sure!)
2. Pollard – being tailed by FBI agents, tried to seek asylum at the Israeli embassy – and they TURNED HIM AWAY. Apparently the word had come from on high in Israel that he would be abandoned in order to try to salvage public opinion. If Pollard had been rescued by Israel, it would have been bad P.R., so they hung him out to dry.
All through the program, we see Alan Dershowitz (and other lying ‘Jews’) crying about what an injustice has been done and saying (with a straight face) that the only reason Pollard is still in prison is BECAUSE HE IS A ‘JEW’!! (anti-Semitism – don’t you know?)
Americans – if you have a weak stomach… then don’t watch this show because it will certainly make you want to PUKE!
It only served to remind me why I gave up T.V. & movies in the first place.
Dear RZN Christians,
I think that the articles linked-to below are an excellent place to do a little research.
The information presented ties together various threads which have been emerging here for some time, including my (least) favorite, British Israelism and the Millenial Kingdom heresy.
Credit to Darryl Bradford Smith for breaking the story at his website, where I picked it up:
http://www.iamthewitness.com/
Follow these links for the whole story:
http://www.examiner.com/x-18425-LA-County-Nonpartisan-Examiner~y2010m2d18-British-military-insider-World-War-III-is-being-staged-starting-with-Israel-and-Iran
http://projectcamelot.org/anglo_saxon_mission_interview_transcript.html
God Bless You All.
When the movie came out titled, “You Don’t Mess with the Zohan,” that was my clue that the Jews are going to start labeling the next terrorist, as the white American.
With what happened in Austin recently, I will add, the white American tax payer. With the body of the Austin pilot being burned, how could one really identify that it was really Mr. Stack? Perhaps now, the government gets to put anyone who disagrees with our government as a terrorist.
Last year a friend of mine, who has good morals and attends a Catholic church, emailed me an article that was circulating around, and asked that I circulate it to others, about how everyone ought to remember how the Jews suffered in the holocaust, titled, “Lest We Forget.”
I emailed her back and informed her about how it is illegal in Europe to deny or say anything against the Jewish Holocaust, and one could be put in prison for doing so. I wrote, “Let’s be glad we don’t have the thought police here in America, at least not yet.” Now, she doesn’t email me anymore.
My college educated daughter is also sympathetic to the Jews because of all that was taught to her in college. The negative influence of the Jews are everywhere, it’s world wide. Thanks to reading this website’s articles and a few others, I have learned that the Jews became so powerful because Jews own the corrupt, world wide banking system, and with that power they blackmail, seduce, bribe, and murder with impunity.
I’m beginning to wonder how Ron Paul stays in office.
Dear Brother Nathanael, it’s not over, until it’s over.
Don’t give up hope, Dear One. Our Lord has the Supreme Power.
The Lord of the Lord’s children will prevail.
Dear Brother Nathanael and RZN Christians,
In reference to the links I posted above regarding “The Anglo-Saxon Project” (aka “British Israel Millennialism”) I think it wisest to mention a few things from scripture which seem to both support and to clarify the fate of this ‘project’.
First of all, to all our white nationalist readers, the identification of the Great Harlot Mystery Babylon with the Anglo-Saxon race is the historical invention of the unholy trinity of Crown, Anglican Church and Grand Lodge Masonry.
It is in no way assumed by this writer to be an inherent genetic trait of the Anglo-Saxon peoples who are not under the spiritual sway of New Age Masonry or Zionism.
The British Israel scheme is essentially one of precipitating an “Armageddon” WW III in the Middle East which the White European leaders, whose ultimate power is centered in the City of London, are supposed to come out of victorious, in a bid to claim the mantle of “Cosmic Christ” and “King of Jerusalem” for their man.
Next, the fundamental message of Bill Ryan, the former administrator from the City of London who gave an interview to ‘Project Camelot’ just last month (supra), was that the powers working through the City were evidently engaged in the planning and execution of an intentional, genocidal WW III, and even beyond.
Further, this premeditated destruction of human life is specifically being patterned to inflict the most damage on China and Asia as a measure to control future population demographics, specifically through the use of a race-specific super-flu.
Thus making the entire post-Apocalyptic super-continent a nearly deserted frontier to be colonized by means of the broken and trained Nordic and Anglo-Saxon peasantry, who are saved by the ‘Kingdom’ in vast underground tunnels for this purpose.
Reading between the lines of Bill Ryan’s report, and possessing the context given by the authors of “The Union Jack”, we now understand that as of 2005 (the last year Ryan worked for the City) British Israel was racing to complete the necessary preparations to put this plan into effect.
According to the Book of Revelations, however, this plan will not succeed, as is perhaps evidenced by the panicky haste with which they now sprint to completion.
In John Daniel’s book “Scarlet and The Beast”, Chapter 25, extensive proof is given that the identity of the Great Harlot is none other than the City of London. Starting with the axiom that Nimrod’s kingship (Cainship) provides the pattern of the merger of priest and king for all future incarnations of the Babylonian system, the author correctly argues that King Henry VIII created a complete merger of king, priest and lodge into one sovereign system.
The Protestant reformation involved not just protesting Christians, but protesting Druidic pagans who had gone underground, falsely converting to Catholicism exactly like “marranno” Jews had is Spain.
In the end, the Mysteries took control of the Church of England with the King as titular head of both the Church and the Grand Lodge.
Further allegorical proof is contained throughout Revelation 17, in reference to the identity of the Great Harlot who, “sits on many waters…was arrayed in purple and scarlet…is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.” “The inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.” (Rev. 17:(2)). This appears to refer to the activities begun in the Quatuor Coronati lodge, which originated the New Age movement, inaugurated the world drug trade to this end, and has promoted free sex and human sacrifice (as an offering to ‘mother earth’ ).
If one accepts the postulate that the Great Harlot is indeed centered in the City of London, then Revelations seems to tell us clearly that she will not succeed with any plan to profit from WW III.
“And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire.” (Rev. 17: (16)) “In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’” (Rev. 18 : (7))
Perceptions at this time guide me to include this interpretation of Scripture along with my previous efforts to expose the agenda of the Great Harlot, British Israel.
Not only is the agenda of the British Israel Zionism real and moving events forward toward World War Three in order to claim the Throne of Jerusalem for itself, but it appears more and more evident that it will not succeed. The “Ten Horns” will unify in “one mind” to defeat her, and they will then become the willing embodiment of “The Beast” to serve God’s purpose.
Realizing that what is now being exposed to us about British Israel’s genocidal intent must already be well known to the rulers of the earth, those whose races are targeted for extermination will likely act pre-emptively to decapitate the aggressor.
Having learned from history not to trust their devious Rothschild paymasters, who always have previously played one country against another while backing both sides financially during a war, the “Ten Horns” will arrive at an agreement to remove the possibility of this ever happening again.
They will no longer be subborned by Jewish capital’s divide and conquer tactics or the Grand Lodge’s monarchial mysticism. The emerging force called the “Beast” will then rule “for an hour.”
This I can realistically see happening, but the future itself is yet a mystery.
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Scott Brown – Republican, rabid Zionist and Israel-firster.
http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2010/01/scott-brown-vetted-and-approved-by.html
Scott Brown – Vetted and Approved by …
Israel and AIPAC of course.
Hidden beneath the media hype of Scott Brown as the ‘savior’ fighting against some of Obama’s policies is the fact that he is just another warmongering Israel first lackey.
His election is touted as a referendum against the Democrat controlled Congress and their excesses and he may give a few token votes of opposition but in the areas of war and empire he will be in lockstep with the two party war machine.
A thirty year National Guard veteran, now a lieutenant colonel who has never been deployed to a war zone, he has used his uniform as a photo op to show he is tough against ‘al qaeda’ and Iran.
The bankers will surely love him and he will love them back. He’s a part of their class, owning 5 homes in New England, and a timeshare condo in Aruba.
Brown doesn’t have much experience in politics but I’m sure his friends at AIPAC and in the military/industrial/CIA complex will take him by the hand and lead him through the minefields.
Without even a single day as Senator, there’s already some ‘Brown for President’ calls. There will most likely be more as he gets extensive media coverage. Maybe a Palin/Brown partnership?
Thanks Massachusetts, once again you give us someone who will keep the ‘war on terror’ chugging along.
Father John O’Connor Sounded Satanist Alarm
The unseen evil that has re written history and has grown to control all aspects of global societies
by Marie Henrie
(for henrymakow.com)
http://www.henrymakow.com/father_john_oconnor_-_on_the_m.html
Many Catholics have probably never heard of John F O’Connor but he was one of the first priests to acknowledge the cabalistic origins of Masonic Communism and to be expelled for opposing homosexual control of the church.
Born and raised in Chicago, Father O’Connor was a Military Chaplain during the Second World War. He became curious about Hitler and the “anti-Semitism” of the Nazi regime. Many soldiers asked him why, when they liberated Jews from the concentration camps, some of the Nazi guards were themselves Jewish and had even been former mayors of towns in Germany prior to the War.
Fr. O’Connor was ordered to be examined by a psychologist following a talk in which he named his Superior as a member of the Gay Rights Movement. His Superior barred young men from joining the Dominicans if they refused to accept sodomy and homosexuality as a viable life style alternative. He had been informed of this by several young males who had sought ordination.
O’Connor sought the advice of a Canon Lawyer, Fr Alfred Kunz. Fr. Kunz was brutally murdered in a ritualistic fashion after assisting in the investigation of a satanic pedophile cult connected to the priesthood.
In the summer of 1991, Rome informed O’Connor that he was dismissed from the Dominicans. O’Connor packed his bags and left the River Forest Priory forever. He lived with his widowed sister until his death of natural causes Dec. 7, 2006.
On Ash Wednesday, February 28, 1990, O’Connor wrote: “When I made my vow of obedience 40 years ago, it was first and foremost to Jesus Christ, His Mother and St. Dominic and in obedience to them only death will silence my witnessing to the Truth.”
O’Connor exemplifies the fate of the true Catholic today.
http://www.catholic.org/featured/headline.php?ID=744
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/abbott/061214
I read that article by Marie Henrie posted on Henry Makow’s website. I followed her links and listened to several of Fr O’Connor’s addresses and interviews.
The hostility by the highest offices within the Church to the Church’s own magisterium (which Father O’Connor preached) and the persecution he endured throughout his life within his own Dominican Order establishes and highlights in dramatic relief the enemies of the Church by name. And it also reveals that these enemies are now in occupation of the Church’s visible structures worldwide. This occupation goes all the way to St Peter’s Chair which in Rome is now usurped.
By his fidelity, courage and witness, Fr O’Connor outed them – for those who know what the Church does actually teach.
In the address that I listened to, Fr O’Connor preached only the the Church’s constant, ordinary magisterium on Freemasonry.
The Popes since In Eminenti (Pope Clement XII 1778) have been warning the Church and the world about JudeoMasonry – collectively styled “the Synagogue of Satan” and the body of antiChrist.
Benedict XIV in his Constitution Providas (1751) gave as one of the great reasons for the Church’s many condemnations of the Freemasonic Sects “their immorality leading to evil and perversion.”
After the crimes of Bernadin – supported and abetted by the antipopes in Rome – were revealed in the American courts, we see that Fr O’Connor courageously pitted himself against the wrath of hell for the sake of the Church.
His foes (for whom I am sure that he must have prayed) may have cheated American justice, but (unless our Lord himself reverse their judgement) they dwell forever under the anathemas of the popes who wrote the Constitutions that Fr O’Connor preached for the good of souls.
For the life, priesthood and witness of Fr O’Connor: DEO GRATIAS. May his courageous soul repose in the peace of our Lord’s Sacred Heart.
Reading through the many papal warnings on the subject of Freemasonry: its declared intention to infiltrate and subvert ALL Christian institutions and utilize them for Masonic one world agenda, its revolutionary ideals, its hatred of the Church, its subservience to Jewry – one can see why the enemies of the Church working from within would suppress these warnings and persecute those who would publish them.
And one can see how easily this agenda is achieved in the schismatic bodies who pay no attention anyway to the Church’s magisterium.
Like Jewry, the Masonic Agentur is international. Just as Masonic Commanders were all at the helm during WW II: Stalin, Mussolini, FDR, Churchill, Hitler – all Sectarians within the Agentur of Jewry.
They conducted that war according to a covert agenda for the victory of the USSR in terms of conquered territory, the wholesale killing of German people which stood athwart the ambitions of the International Communist Party, the killing of nonZionist Jews and ultimately the victory of Zionism.
Main-Stream Media:
(1) A Jew or Jews debating with another Jew or other Jews on or in a Jew-produced show or article on or in a Jew-owned-and/or-run network or publication, about something some other Jew or other Jews said about another Jew or other Jews on or in another Jew-produced show or article on or in a Jew-owned-and/or-run network or publication in relation to the activities of another Jew or other Jews.*
[Plus the active and/or passive collaboration of those who serve, assist, enable, deny and/or defend Jewish domination of public discourse and non-organic culture.]
(2) Jew-Stream Media (JSM).
(3) Jew/New World Order (JWO/NWO).
http://brianakira.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/definition-of-anglo-american-main-stream-media/
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/romania_to_host_us_missile_shield_20100205/
Posted on Feb 5, 2010
In an announcement more apt for a dinner party than a defense memorandum, Romania has agreed to host a new U.S. missile shield in its territory aimed at protecting Western interests from the “emerging threat” of Iranian ballistic missiles. —JCL
The BBC:
Romania has agreed to host missile interceptors as part of a new US defence shield, its president says.
President Traian Basescu said the plan was approved by the defence council. It still needs parliamentary approval.
The US scrapped a previous missile shield, based in Poland and the Czech Republic, which had infuriated Russia.
Instead the new system would provide better defence from “the emerging threat” of Iranian short- and medium-range missiles, a US official said. (…)
[Same script, different Judeo-Zionist Israhell channel by CIA/Mossad – keep demonizing Iran, fellas, and now you motley phools think moving the NATO missile shield to Romania will now make Russia deliriously happy?]
Just found this:
Adam Sandler singing about Hanukkah and also the Jews in Hollywood.
This should wake you up, if you still have a hard time to believe what Br. Nathanael and the many comments that are posted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrd9p47MPHg&feature=related
Paul
Christ promised in Matthew 16:18 the the gates of hell would NOT prevail against His Church. That means NEVER.
This ALONE – PROVES that the papist ‘church’ of Rome CANNOT BE HIS CHURCH!
Rome does not (and has not for a LONG time) uphold the apostolic faith that was delivered to the saints ONCE AND FOR ALL…
The Eastern Orthodox Churches however – DO uphold that faith and keep the traditions which were taught by the apostles of Christ.
Simple.
There may have been isolated incidents of Masons who infiltrated the Church… but they have been unable to affect any changes to that faith once delivered.
That’s because the Orthodox Church is ultimately CONCILIAR (as we see clearly in the New Testament) and even the laity are obligated to oppose error – unlike Roman Catholicism, which is wholly hierarchical… with only ONE MAN (the pope) as virtual ‘president’ of all who will listen to him.
Roman Catholics have in fact allowed their ‘vicar’ to usurp Christ as the only Head of His Body, and lead them into apostasy.
They must repent of this grave FATAL error. Period.
Why not familiarize yourself, Prodigal Son, with the history of the Arian heresy in the Christian East.
Virtually wall to wall Arian bishops in occupation of the Church’s visible structures, the hierarchy in communion with Rome operated underground and was persecuted by the Arians in cahoots with the Jews from city to city while the Catholic faithful – very few and far between worshipped outside of the diocesan structures.
Rather like the wall-to-wall worshipful brethern who are in occupation of the Christian structures worldwide today: posing as bishops, archbishops, patriarchs, metropolitans and what have you today (I would think) if I entertained the idea that history does repeat itself.
Still waiting to read one document (just one!) warning the faithful and the worldlings of the intentions and dangers of the Freemasonic Revolution still merrily rolling along, roll along. Deafening silence from the ‘conciliar East’.
What of the guardianship of the flock?
Dear Prodigal Son,
My friend, to whom are you addressing this your latest rant?
Its getting really boresome to say the least.
You and some of your fellow Orthodox brothers here happily diminish any possible blemishes, defects or gross misbehaviours of your church while highlighting, amplifying and augmenting Roman Catholics’.
Or are you trying to drive the thread to an interminable pseudo-religious exchange of unrelated self-assertions?
And another thing, Prodigal Son, it is for the Church founded upon the Petrine Rock according to our Lord’s promise against which the gates of hell can not prevail; it is for those who are confirmed in faith by Peter and the bishops in communion with him who have the promise.
The heretics and schismatics who smack their lips and gloat: ‘ the gates of hell have prevailed’ everytime the Catholic Church is undergoing one of its many intense periods of martyrdom are inevitably disappointed, as you will be also in due course.
It is in the ‘conciliar’ East that the emperor or the autocrat moves bishops around like chess pieces, installs heretics if he so please and generally dictates to the Church.
In the West this has certainly been tried and inevitably it has failed.
Show us one bishop in your church post the Great Schism who refused to be dictated to by the temporal power, who opposed antichrist laws of a temporal autocrat, who stood up to the autocrat in matters of the Christian state which must reflect the laws of the Church and not vice versa.
St John Chrysostom did, but then he was in communion with Rome and supported the Holy See against the exercise of imperial powers that adversely affected the Church
During the Revolution in England at the time of Henry VIII’s Reformation, even though every single bishop in England kowtowed to the tyrant, the gates of hell could not prevail because one bishop stood firm – St John Fisher, as did St Thomas Moore and many other great saints of that time. Always too few. But our Lord only needs a few.
There do remain valid Catholic priests and bishops and the faithful remnant will gather to them and pray for the Holy Father. We may not know who he is but we know that our Lord will always have successors in the Petrine Office. This is certain.
Equally certain is the usurpation of the Holy See in Rome by the one whom the Scripture styles “the false prophet” (Apoc). This was foreseen by the Fathers of the Church. This is not news. It is old teaching. Now it is accomplished fact. In terms of the Church in time and eternity, this manifest fact does not substantiate your false claims except in the minds of the ignorant. Rather, it refutes your claims.
Although we have failed as unprofitable servants, it is our Lord who is the Amen, the true and faithful Witness. Before the great and terrible Day, He will send the Angel of the Judgement, just as he sent St Vincent Ferrer at the time of the antipopes during what has been called The Great Western Schism.
And indeed the statement of the Angel of the Judgement is now appearing on Catholic websites all over the world. This is not over.
“Believe Me, if you had begun to honour Me with a special devotion from the times of the early Church, after twenty centuries few men would be living in idolatry, in paganism and in so many false and evil sects, in which man is running blindly towards the abyss of eternal fire! And see how much work remains to be done!”
“My dear children, I have lavished thse gifts upon you with special graces for twenty centuries, but with what miserable results!”
– GOD THE FATHER to Mother Eugenia, July 1, 1932 @
http://www.theworkofgod.org/Library/Trinity/Father/Message1.htm
GOD THE FATHER isn’t “too terribly Impressed” with the World and the His Son’s Church.
So all of the vehement anti-Catholic Church EOC’s here on RZN can all stomp their ‘thumping of their EOC chests’.
Both the World AND the Church are in very, very, VERY DEEP TROUBLE with Him Who just so happens to be Omnisicent, Omnipotent and Omnipresent.
Perhaps a wee bit of a spiritual-religious ‘Reality Check’ is in order.
– Fr. Joseph
True prayer is our inner desire to know God and to come to know we are known by God.
To come to know one’s Creator (Who Is our Father) and to experience being known by one’s Creator (Who, again, is our Father) is such a ‘Holy Common Union’. What greater thing, what greater experience, what greater religious-spiritual achievement is there???
And to come to know, to understand what our All-good God, Creator and Father in Heaven desires of us and desires FOR us – and to have the liberty and freedom of body, mind, heart, soul and spirit to get on with DOING, understanding and accomplishing that which our All-good God, Creator and Father desires of us – is that not finally possessing HIS Blessedness, HIS Fulfillment and His Contentment? Is that not finally the PEACE, the Totality of personal and communal WELLBEING all human beings of good will desire, strive after and long for?
And is that not what St. Paul the Apostle instructed, exhorting all of us to “preserve the unity of the Spirit”?
All of this finger-pointing, all of this blame-laying, all of this schismatic scowling down through the centuries – where has it ALL landed us with the year not being 2010 Anno Domini?
With ONE TRUE God and FATHER in Heaven seriously aggrieved and angered to the point He is threatening to BURN UP this planet earth!
And on and on the Patriarch v. Patriarch, Metropolitan v. Metropolitan, Bishop v. Bishop, Denomination v. Denomination, Cult v. Cult, Sect v. Sect ‘Dog And Pony Shows’ just go on and on and on BLITHELY just as if the DIVINE WILL of God our Father in Heaven has and is SUBORDINATED TO the whims and passing fanices of mere mortal men.
Just LOOK at what is going on all across our World and WITHIN ‘The Church’. Who and in WHAT WAY can ‘Reparation’ be made to the One Whose Power and Authority are ULTIMATE and ETERNALLY FINAL?
The Blessed Virgin Mary AS Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal DID, IN FACT, declare:
“ONLY I CAN HELP YOU!”
EOC’s don’t want the Mother of God’s HELP!
– Fr. Joseph
Prodigal Son,
Sacred CHRISTIAN Scripture of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church has it:
“How does it happen that each of us hears them in his own native language?…we hear them preaching in our own language about the MARVELS OF GOD.” – Acts 2:8-13
THAT’S Sacred Scripture – THAT’S written down via the Inspiration of God the Holy Spirit!
Now about your constant HARPING on and about ‘THE GREEK’, ‘THE GREEK’, ‘THE GREEK’!
“It is noteworthy that THE FATHER (in 1932) dictated the Message of Mother Eugenia in LATIN, a language TOTALLY UNKNOWN to her.”
– quoting from on-line source:
http://www.theworkofgod.org/Library/Trinity/Father/Eugenia.htm
Now of GOD THE FATHER has ‘No Divine Problem’ with using, speaking and conveying His Thoughts to us in LATIN, then why don’t YOU accept that LATIN is a perfectly good language by which and with which to relay the MARVELS OF GOD to people the World over?
Go as GOD THE FATHER why He used LATIN instead of your GREEK! And what sort of ‘arguments’ are you prepared to use on GOD THE FATHER in order to ‘correct Him’ in what He wants to do, what He wants done and in the manner He so chooses to have those Things of His done in both His Church and in this His World of ours?
– Fr. Joseph
The Catholic and Orthodox churches excommunicated each other 1000 yeras ago, but the excommunications have been REVERSED by both churches, to the best of my knowledge.
Regardless, Brother Nathanael is MY brother in Christ, and I am HIS sister in Christ.
This fraternal love in Christ is a main reason WHY both churches exist.
We must love each other and God. What else is there, really?
Amen.
JESUS IS GOD the Son and Zionist Jews hate him.
The Talmud is SICK SICK SICK, evil evil evil.
http://www.henrymakow.com — Exposing Feminism and the NEW WORLD ORDER.
http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com — Showing the ZIONIST BEAST System that is TAKING OVER THE WORLD.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com — For crying out loud when will Americans wake up?
IF ONLY we could get Muslims to stand up for JESUS and to know that Jesus is God, WE COULD PUT A END TO ALL THIS ZIONIST GARBAGE IN ONE WEEK!
Lynda,
I’m sure you’ve heard the expression, “Keep the faith?” You’re so STUCK on this ‘Petrine office’ nonsense that you would rather be in limbo than to receive the LIFE of His Eucharist in communion with those who love Christ MORE than they love Peter & his successors.
Who is your Saviour? Peter? Or is your Saviour Christ and His Body and His Blood? Christ said to Peter, “Get thee behind me Satan!”
Christ FORCEFULLY put Himself IN FRONT OF PETER, and commanded Peter to resume his place in behind Him – in SUBMISSION TO CHRIST! Today we see Peter’s successor (at least his Roman successor) again putting himself IN FRONT of Jesus Christ, transforming himself once again into Satan – the adversary.
I have yet to hear an explanation as to why it is that the bishop of Antioch is not considered Peter’s successor. Peter was bishop of Antioch BEFORE Rome, so it seems to me that whoever succeeded Peter in Antioch was by definition the first successor to Peter. Why isn’t the bishop of Antioch then considered the pope today??
COULD it have anything to do with the fact that Rome was the head of the empire? If so – then doesn’t it follow that when Constantinople became the head of the empire (the New Rome) that the so-called ‘pope of the church’ would have been seated there?
Arainism was a grave problem in the early Church, but ultimately was condemned through the Biblically proscribed CONCILIAR means. The finer points of Church doctrine were as yet in the process of being ironed out after the legalization of Christianity by Constantine.
But (unlike papism) Arianism was ultimately unable to affect any changes to the Creed or doctrines of apostolic Christianity. The Church (East & West) was still ONE at that time, so when Orthodox were exiled or had to flee violence and invasions from the East – they were able to find refuge in the (still Orthodox pre-Schism) West.
Similarly – today Orthodox believers in the ORIGINAL (unchanged) Nicene Creed & unchanged Christianity may find refuge in the still Orthodox East. The problem though is that the schismatic papist believers in the West think that they are right – much as Arius and his followers thought that they were right.
Again, Arius was unable to change the very Creed of Christianity… But the pope and his subsequent followers have INDEED CHANGED what Christianity IS in the West.
So – are there now TWO different versions of Christianity?
NO. True Christianity is ONE FAITH. *ONE*.
IS the version of Christianity espoused by the pope and his followers the original? Do they adhere to the conciliar agreements which were SET by the Creed – NEVER to be changed or altered by ANYONE in ANY WAY?
No? Rest easy (as I do) because you may find respite in the East. The Church has always seen controversies – but the important thing is coming out of them in the end in adherance to the Orthodox doctrines, to the UNALTERED faith delivered ONCE and FOR ALL to the saints.
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JGalindes,
I am addressing my ‘rant’ to any Roman Catholics who (like I did) find something SERIOUSLY wrong in their Church. I am addressing Roman Catholics who love Jesus Christ and the truth – MORE than they love the Popes and their lies.
People are now abandoning the Roman church in unprecedented numbers (and rightly so)… But they are in the process abandoning Christ ENTIRELY… Becoming atheists or Buddhists or even Kaballists!
This was the direction I myself was heading… Not that I was becoming Atheist – but that I was NOT going to seek communion with the Roman church. Too many lies; too much child molestation; too much variation from the Scripture with no basis in truth or in history.
In effect, I guess I’m addressing this to anyone out there who feels like I did – as a signpost to lead them back home, rather than allowing them to stray further off track into protestantism or even atheism. If the pope says there are MANY paths to heaven (which is contrary to the words of Christ)… Then many will subsequently reject everything else – even the very idea of Christianity itself!
So JGalindes, I guess I’m addressing anyone who has ears to hear me – that they may know that all is NOT lost.
Lynda,
If my memory serves me – KathJuliane provided about a half-dozen links with Orthodox denunciations of Freemasonry… Don’t you even read her posts anymore? I guess it’s easier to ignore the Orthodox POV than it is to confront it inwardly and examine your very own soul.
But ultimately this is what we must ALL do; we must work out our OWN salvation in REAL fear and LITERAL trembling. The truth is harsh and MOST of mankind will reject it – creating their own idol of a ‘god’ that agrees with their own notions. That’s a sad fact of this fallen world.
Anyway, since you honestly still seem to think that there have been NO condemnations of Masonry from the Orthodox Church… Allow me please to enlighten you now.
Wherefore clad in the sacred vestments of epitrachilion and omophorion, we say, If any man preach unto you any other gospel than that which we have preached unto you, even though an angel from heaven, let him be anathema (Galatians I8:9).
As many as are befitting, that pursue after such a diabolical and lawless employment of Freemasonry, and all they that follow unto their infatuation and unto their error, let them be excommuicated and accursed by the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
After death, they shall be unpardoned, indissoluble, and bloated. Groaning and trembling, as Cain, shall they be upon the earth (Genesis 4:14). The earth shall cleave and swallow them up, as Dathan and Abiram (Numbers 16:31-32).
The wrath of God shall be upon their heads, and their portion together with Judas the betrayer. An angel of the Lord will prosecute them with a flaming sword and, unto their life’s termination, they will not know of progress.
Let their works and toil be unblessed and let them become a cloud of dust, as of a summer threshing-floor. And all they indeed that shall abide still unto their wickedness will have such a recompense.
But as many as shall go out from the midst of them and shall be separated, and having spat out their abominable heresy, and shall go afar off from their accursed infatuation, such kind shall receive the wagers of the zealot Phineas; rather let them be blesed and forgiven by the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the Only unconfused and undivided Trinity, the One God in nature, and by us His servants.”
– The Aphorism Against Freemasonry – St. Cyprian, Archbishop of Cyprus, Martyred in defense against the Turks 1821.
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Orthodox Condemnations of Freemanonry may be found in:
THE ACT OF THE CHURCH OF CYPRUS (1815) – contained in the Rudder
THE ACT OF THE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH ABROAD (1932) – contained in the Rudder
THE ACT OF THE CHURCH OF GREECE (1933)
THE ACT OF THE TRUE ORTHODOX CHURCH OF GREECE (1949) – Contained in the Rudder
THE ACT OF THE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX GREEK CATHOLIC METROPOLIS OF AMERICA (1960) – Now the OCA.
HOCNA’s PASTORAL ENCYCLICAL
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In 1937, in another open epistle, Bishop Matthew of Bresthena wrote:
“If anyone rejects any ecclesiastical tradition, written or unwritten, anathema thrice (Seventh Ecumenical Council)… Not only have the deceased ones, Basil III of Constantinople, Meletius (Metaxakis) of Alexandria, etc, prepared a place for themselves in eternal hell by their cacodoxy, but so have the living ones, namely, Jacob of Mytilene, Jacob of Kozane, Cherubim Aninos of Paronaxia, Irenaeus, Ambrose of Phthiotis, as well as Damascene of Corinth, Gennadius of Thessalonica, Alexander of Cercyra, Joachim of “Demetrias,” Philaret of Syrus, and many others, and even their leader, Chrysostom Papadopoulos of Athens.
All of the above bear the hierarchical vestments fraudulently, because they are inscribed in Masonry, they are followers of Freemasonry.
A frightful thing! Masonic hierarchs! Wake up, O genuine children of our Christ and our Orthodox Church! Wake up, for a great danger threatens Orthodoxy, apart from and above all other heresies, namely, awful Freemasonry, which is nothing other than Judaism in disguise.
And all the hatred and passion of the Jews against our Lord Jesus Christ and His Holy Great Orthodox Church continues. Through this fearful and awful system of Freemasonry, the former Orthodox clergy are continuously adulterated by the spirit of corruption and delusion; the Orthodox Dogmas and Mysteries are slowly and unnoticeably being abolished; and the cacodoxies of delusion are being introduced…
Therefore… flee from every modernism, including the modernism of the papal (Gregorian) calendar, for it is a creation of the devil; and flee from clergymen who follow it, for they are betrayers of the faith of our Christ. Let each of you deny antichristian Freemasonry, delusional Spiritualism, heretical chiliasm, impious Communism, and generally every sin and cacodoxy.
‘Strive for the truth unto death, and the Lord shall fight for thee.’ (Wisdom of Sirach 4:28).” (Bishop Matthew of Bresthena, as quoted in Epistolai tou Aeimnestou Archiepiskopou Athenon kai Pases Hellados k. Matthaiou, Athens, 1962).
http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/masonry.aspx
http://www.orthodox.net/ecumenism/declaration-of-cyprianus-against-free-masonry.html
Perhaps KathJuliane could RE-POST her links… Or you could simply go back and find them yourself. Either way (IF you read this) I have demonstrated that your assertions that no Orthodox have spoken out against Masonry are not based in reality.
Dear Brother Nathanael and RZN Christians,
One thing to take into account of the utter inhuman brutality with which the Anglosphere has conducted warfare throughout history, from Ireland to Iraq and all points between:
“I am in full agreement [with terror bombing]. I am all for the bombing of working class areas in German cities. I am a Cromwellian – I believe in ‘slaying in the name of the Lord!'” – Sir Archibald Sinclair, Secretary for Air.
“All German towns and cities above 50,000 population were from 50% to 80% destroyed. Hamburg was totally destroyed and 70,000 civilians died in the most appalling circumstances whilst Cologne was likewise turned into a moon-scape. As Hamburg burned the winds feeding the three mile high flames reached twice hurricane speed to exceed 150 miles per hour. Trees three feet in diameter on the outskirts of the city were sucked from the ground by the supernatural forces of these winds and hurled miles into the city-inferno, as were vehicles, men, women and children.”
“By applying the lessons learned in Europe to the wooden architecture of the Asian mainland and Japan he raised “fire storms” which surpassed even those of Hamburg, Pforzheim and Dresden. Mass raids by superheavy B-29 bombers against Osaka, Nagoya, Kobe and particularly, Tokyo-Yokohama, resulted in a minimum harvest of 125,000 to 150,000 kills per raid. More than 1.2 million Japanese civilians were killed through bombing. Millions of others fell victim to it, from Mukden, Manchuria, to Rangoon, Burma.”
http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/blitz.html
Take this into consideration when contemplating the unfolding of World War Three before your eyes. You know what will happen, if you only look. The cites of the over-confident Anglo-Israel will burn into ashes beneath the combined weaponry of the rest of the world.
If the rest of the earth doesn’t stand together against the US-UK-Israel axis, they will end up powerless against it. Although it is too complicated to explain in technical detail, there is abundant evidence that the next generation of military weapons technology currently under development by the US will render the most modern forces of today totally impotent.
This goes way beyond nuclear weapons, and they too are ineffective against these ‘Tesla’ weapons. All that remains is for them to be mass-produced and deployed on the battlefield, and everything will be decided.
Much as Germany saw the Soviet Union massing for an all out invasion of the entire West, and undertook ‘Operation Barbarosa’ as a desperate gamble aimed at interdicting it, the handwriting appears to be on the wall for the non-Anglo-Israel nations.
The Anglo-Israel “Armageddon” scheme is so diabolical and complete that it must never be allowed to happen. They think that the world will never be able to stop them, and it is scarcely in a position to. But like Germany, the world will see no other alternative than to strike when both unprepared and out-gunned for tomorrow will, some day soon, be too late.
What this probably means is that there will be no cat and mouse game where Iran is concerned, no probing with surgical air-strikes, no baiting the Chinese in to the Valley of Armageddon to be destroyed in fulfillment of “prophesah”.
As soon as the Anglosphere crosses the line into World War Three, I propose that the response will be an overwhelming nuclear fire attack burning most cities of any strategic merit to ruin, followed by a massive invasion the likes of which the world has never seen.
‘Paybacks are hell’, it has been said. And we are about to get one hell of a payback for Hiroshima, Dresden, Tokyo and Hamburg. It will all burn. Get out of the cities while you can, because there is no stopping the mind-controlled Anglo-Israel generals and admirals from fulfilling “Zion’s” great destiny.
Get out while you still can. There are no jobs anyway, so why stay? All I can guess is that it will seem to come with shocking suddenness. The slow buildup in the Middle East will continue, each day full of its rumors and posturing. But one day it will all be on fire, maybe even before you hear about it on the TV news or the Internet, that the US attacked Iran’s nuclear program in ‘a series of surgical raids’.
And then the planes like locusts will fill the undefended skies bringing the armies of the world. They will strip everything bare for food (they are poor and will only carry supplies to fight for a short time). They will rape and loot. God will not “rapture” you. You must fight them or they will exterminate you. Four hundred years of payback for the crimes of the rich and elite of the Great Harlot will come home.
This is hardly prophesy, but is more like looking to the east and seeing huge black clouds gathering, and then predicting that there is going to be a storm.
I hope the Peace of Christ strengthens your hearts and gives you the courage to live through what most surely seems to be about to happen.
Fr. Joseph,
Actually it is our dear Stavros who is the resident authority on the Greek here at RZN… But yes, I will admit that I place all confidence in the Greek Septuagint over the Masoretic Hebrew texts which date MUCH, MUCH later, and which have been ALTERED by anti-Christ ‘Jewish’ rabbis with ulterior motives.
The Apostles and Christ Himself carried and quoted from the Septuagint as evidenced by the New Testament. That’s good enough for me. Likewise the New Testament was originally penned in the highly exacting Greek language – leaving little room for ambiguity.
Most of the problems in Christendom today are the result of erroneous transliterations into Latin & especially English.
YOU believe that Mary spoke at Fatima. I DO NOT!
YOU believe that God the Father spoke to ‘Mother Eugenia’… I DO NOT!
YOU believe that God spoke to her in Latin…
I DO NOT!
~~~ ~~~ ~~~
From:
http://www.oca.org/QAIndex.asp?SID=3
QUESTION:
What is the OCA’s view of stigmata or other modern manifestations of Jesus or Mary? I would appreciate both a theological answer, and official Church position, if there is one.
ANSWER:
Stigmata, such as manifested in Padre Pio, are foreign to the Orthodox experience and, as such, the Church has no official position in this regard. There have been, however, such phenomena as weeping icons and the like within the Orthodox world.
In such cases an investigation is undertaken to ascertain the legitimacy of such things, and the Church is generally cautious in immediately proclaiming them to be miracles.
My personal opinion is that such things indeed may be signs from God, or they could be deceptions or distractions from the devil, but that if one remains focused on Christ one should not make too much of them.
The real miracle in such instances is found, not in the phenomena themselves, but, rather, in the repentance and changed lives that they inspire. As St John of Kronstadt says, “Lord, I am a miracle of Thy goodness and wisdom and love.”
In other words, one should not allow such things to overshadow the attention that is due God and God alone, nor to allow such things to become more central to life than the Gospel.
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Joseph Smith (the creator of Mormonism) ALSO claimed that God spoke to him, and through him…
My point is: just because someone SAYS God has spoken to them DOESN’T mean that it’s true!
The Roman Catholic church’s OWN catechism says that God’s revelation to man is contained within Scripture and ended with it, the canon of Scripture containing EVERYTHING needed for the salvation of mankind. Don’t you agree?
It would seem not. I pray for you Fr. Joseph.
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Prodigal Son,
God’s Own Revelation to Mankind about He Himself IS CLOSED!
Human history goes ON until the Lord’s Own Second Coming.
THE LORD hasn’t turned His Back on what HE HIMSELF desires DONE during the course of Human History.
From Heaven, THE LORD appears to St. John to give INSTRUCTION and DIRECTION to the Church in the Book of Revelation.
You tell me – you tell us – WHEN did God Himself say to Mankind
“Okay folks – you are all ON YOUR OWN from now on!”
There are the SEVEN Spiritual Gifts of God the Holy Spirit – and there are the CHARISMATIC Gifts of God the Holy Spirit – one of those Divine Gifts is known as PROPHECY.
Such PROPHECY is God’s Divine Gift to His Church to grant it Divine Assistance!
When did the EOC’s take it upon themselves to 1) DENY that God would HELP His Church here on earth and 2) the Church Militant here on earth DOES NOT NEED GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT ‘BUTTIN’ IN’ to what goes on in, with and amongst the Church from the time of the Lord’s Ascension into Heaven until His Second Coming?
Or, as an EOC, do you have to DENY that there ARE Spiritual Gifts promised to the Church by THE LORD via the Divine Actions of God the Holy Spirit?
Perhaps your version of ‘EOC’ is chockful of HERESIES AFTER ALL!
– Fr. Joseph
Palin pales in comparison to the Trojan Horse that the Israeli Mossad put into the internet backbone landing sites (transcotinenntal phiber optik lines) to surveil all Americans and trump the NSA.
This is the Trojan Horse that can truly bring down America and the rest of the world to bow down before the Baal Shems of Israel. Read all about it here:
http://trollcams1984.tripod.com
http://trollcams1984.tripod.com/BAMFORDS.HTM
Everybody and anybody who cares about America and the world should be crying bloody murder about this.
Dear Prodigal Son,
I have read the links to which you draw my attention and I am pleased to see that yes, it is as you say, the Orthodox hierarchy has spoken out against Freemasonry.
The Synagogue of Satan is so egregious in its agenda and actions that even the schismatic bodies have opposed it. So very good. I am glad to be wrong on the point that the Orthodox have not spoken out.
James Lloyd has some seminal and interesting information on the “Two House Twist”, the unholy alliance of Judaism with Christianity:
http://ChristianMediaNetwork.com
Please note: as a Catholic, I do not agree with much of what this non-Catholic says, yet I cannot deny that much of his work is original and important.
Lynda,
Thank you for your kind(ish) reply. I really wish we could converse in a less antagonistic way.
We must realize that we agree on so much… and our enemies are the enemies of the Cross – NOT each other!
Will you do me a favor and listen to these podcasts from Ancient Faith Radio?
Even if you reject Orthodoxy, I’m sure you will get something from these lectures – or others on this site…
http://ancientfaith.com/podcasts/eastwest
http://ancientfaith.com/podcasts/orthodoxyheterodoxy
Thanks Lynda,
God Bless You!
Hi all,
What is Orthodoxy?
Written by Monk Moses Athonite
“I will not copy definitions from books. I will speak through my heart. Orthodoxy is the only truth. It is an invitation to a moving and amazing adventure. It requires courage and risk, and not complacency in the past glories. I agree with Dostoevsky who says: “I think nothing is more beautiful, more profound, more tempting, more popular, more courageous and more perfect than Christ ….”
Orthodoxy strictly wants us clean and innocent. It has great demands on us. Without God, we would most certainly be like scoundrels. It is true that we are not saints. The worst thing is to act as if we are saints. God does not like that at all. Orthodoxy requires us to be sincere, without hypocrisy, truly humble and gentle with others. And it also requires us to be unsuspecting, non hateful, non jealous and patient.
The Christ of Orthodoxy is accessible, friendly, kind, forgiving and nice. I never talked tough on sinners or never despised them. He understands our weakness and out tendency to fall. He does not persecute, and has no revenge for us. He excuses and forgives us, loves us, and sacrifices Himself for us.
A Romanian-Jew, Nicolae Stainchart, who became Orthodox in prison, writes the “Diary of Happiness”: God “is most definitely not an abstract idea, the Cold creator, not the inaccessible and immutable Brahma, nor is He the goddess of knowledge which unfolds the centuries.”
Orthodoxy is not a good religion among the other good ones. It is the way, an attitude, a style and an ethos of life. It is the sacrificial love without return. The love of enemies and forgiveness for everyone. Orthodoxy is a scandal and a folly for the too logical.
The orthodox teaching is not vague, confusing, difficult, impossible to grasp. It is not for the easy and naive believers and the religious fanatics. It is for the demanding and discerning spirits, for the optimists and the militant. It gives true freedom and bliss. The Bliss, Peace and the sweetness of our saints shows this.
Orthodoxy is not an analgesic or a narcotic. It is a constant risk, alertness, correct and good standing, awakened state and spiritual up-standing. Orthodoxy is NOT GREEK, IT IS UNIVERSAL. It does not hide on Mount Athos and Jerusalem but in the heart of any real humble person.
Those who believe that Orthodoxy is too simplistic and naive has tragically missed and within deplorable error. If anyone thinks that in the Orthodox Church reside idle and crying apprentices, then they are in error. The Orthodox struggle for integrity, transparency and authenticity. They are not rejecting, cold.
The futility of the world does not make them depressed, but, rather, it brings them back to their to senses in the most timely manner. Our God is NOT a magician, a fakir, or a weird illusionist. He does not like half truths, melancholy, the hasty, the impatient and the inconclusive. He especially loves the true, the solid , the humble.
In Orthodoxy, we always hope, are secretly pleased, we are unable to not be optimistic. We live in order to love. Anyone who thinks that Orthodoxy needs enemies, only fights, and is to dominate and condemns, is failing seriously. For us to be resurrected, we must first be crucified. Crucifixion requires preparation. Crucifixion needs it’s time. Orthodoxy is crucified, humbled and resurrected.
Orthodoxy means orthopraxia (correct practice). Correct and true knowledge and pure life. Orthodoxy is misunderstood. Perhaps we blame too, who presented it incorrectly. Orthodoxy, is more experienced and less taught. Orthodoxy is an affectionate mother’s hug mother, who knows how to exquisitely rest her children.”
Original link in Greek:
http://www.makthes.gr/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=51497
Stav
Dear Varsipi,
Thanks for the link to James Lloyd. I am currently reading his materials. Lloyd is well aware of the deceptive nature of Judaism and the modern State of Israel:
“It is also an irrefutable fact the Holy Bible specifically mentions a star that was adopted by the Israelites as a religious symbol, in the 8th century before Christ. However, this star is plainly stated to be associated with Molech and Chiun — both demonic deities. Furthermore, in this Old Testament reference, through the prophet Amos, the LORD flatly states this star represents the false gods being served by the Israelites:
“I hate, I despise your feast days…though ye offer me burnt offerings, and your meat offerings, I will not accept them….ye have borne the tabernacle of your Mo’loch and Chi’un, your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves” (Amos 5:21,22,26). ”
http://www.christianmediaresearch.com/cmd-43.html
Furthermore, Lloyd may have ‘solved the riddle’ of the “Ten Horns” and the Antichrist:
“The present crisis at the United Nations wherein competing plans for the reconfiguration of the ruling body — the permanent membership of the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) — will continue until a great crisis forces the nations to agree on ten permanent members.
“The Bible tells us the circumstances preceding the ten king installation is a large scale conflict between two factions — characterized as the “king of the North” and the “king of the South” (Daniel 11). Although the world was configured on an East-West basis throughout the cold war era, in the early 1990’s a series of political developments (including the fall of the Berlin wall) shifted the globe into a division between the “haves” (the North) and the “have nots” (the South).
“The industrial-financial nations of the North have exploited the developing countries of the South, and the present religious war of Islam (the South) against Christendom (the North) is the result. This conflict will ultimately kill millions in the near future through the use of weapons of mass destruction.
“Meanwhile, the UNSC is struggling to reform itself (an impossible task) from the financial debacles in which it has become embroiled (the Oil for Food scandal in which Kofi Annan funded the institution for years comes to mind). Annan, functioning as the “raiser of taxes” of Daniel 11, will be destroyed — “neither in anger, nor in battle” (Daniel 11:20) and his successor (“in his estate” – vs 21) will signify the arrival of the 8th head of the present version of the Beast order.
“Revelation tells us when the ten kings “receive power as kings one hour with the beast” (Revelation 17:12) they have “one mind.” This means the present fight over who gets the veto power in the new UNSC must be decided.
“As with the present 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council, any one member can veto an initiative — meaning they must have “one mind” for anything to pass. Further this looming ten king UNSC “shall give their power and strength unto the beast” (Revelation 17:13).
“Thus we see Kofi Annan, the seventh Secretary-General, should be “destroyed,” and theoretically, it should happen before his term expires (the end of 2006). The Antichrist installation (“even he is the eighth” – Revelation 17:11) must be closely tied to the arrival of the ten kings.
“Since the UNSC has announced plans to complete the reform installing 10 permanent members at the same time as Kofi Annan’s term comes to an end, we will likely see a significant turn of prophetic events in the near future.”
http://www.christianmediaresearch.com/cmd-11.html
Conclusion:
Read James Lloyd. His ministry is apparently under attack from many directions, but still remains standing at this time.
So Prodigal Son correctly asserts:
“We must realize…our enemies are the enemies of the Cross – NOT each other!”
And Stav now FINALLY comes to ‘The Understanding’:
“Orthodoxy is an affectionate mother’s hug, (a mother) who knows how to exquisitely rest her children.”
What have I been TRYING and TRYING and TRYING to tell everyone here on RZN, Eastern Orthodox or not regarding THE MOTHER OF GOD’s Apparitions, Messages and Instruction to and for her Church here on earth as OUR LADY OF FATIMA, PORTUGAL 1917 A.D. all of these months after months!
You have the ‘Exquisitely Capable Mother’ wanting to give her Son’s Church and all of Mankind WORLD PEACE –
“Heaven’s Key To Peace”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awznwJidvPc
“The Secret Still Silenced”
http://fatimaondemand.org/en/index.php/special-productions/the-secret-still-silenced
– Fr. Joseph
And when one attempts to AFFIRM to EOC’s here that Christ Jesus has NEVER abandoned His Church and has provided His Church with HIS Supernatural Knowledge, Understanding and Wisdom in the form of PROPHETIC Guidance and Instruction down through the centuries, I have EOCs slamming the door in my face DENYING that God would act IN the historical affairs and circumstances of His Own Church here on earth!
Since when does ‘Holy Tradition’ entail shutting one’s eyes and ears to God the Holy Spirit working with, working in and working THROUGH people down through the centuries?
It is EOC’s ‘Holy Tradition’ to depose of Christ Jesus from the affairs of His Own Church Militant here on earth?
Perhaps EOC’s need to read and understand with a WESTERN-LATIN CHURCH SAINT has to share with EOC’s:
St. Thomas Aquinas, Angelic Doctor of the Catholic Church, giving instruction on the Gift of PROPHECY from his ‘Summa Theologica’ (egads!..it’s LATIN!)
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3171.htm
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3172.htm
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3173.htm
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3174.htm
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3175.htm
Now if we want TO WIN this global spiritual battle against the ENEMIES OF CHRIST JESUS and THE CROSS, it better start dawning in people’s minds and hearts that we had better start listening to and ‘OBEYING ORDERS’ from Heaven and from THE WOMAN who has been Divinely Ordained TO CRUSH Satan’s head!
Repeat after me….’Duh! That’s makes sense!’
– Fr. Joseph
Dear Prodigal Son,
When I say that I am glad to learn that I was wrong in my assertion that the Orthodox hierarchy has not spoken out against Freemasonry, I do mean this most sincerely.
Schismatic institutions are one thing, but God breathed souls of infinite value to our Lord are another.
They should have been warned and I am glad they were. Doesn’t solve the present Chaos, but it is still good to know.
Lynda,
Can you tell me how exactly you figure that Orthodoxy is “schismatic”?
You really should listen to the links I provided…
Seriously!
Hi all,
Now that spirits have quieted down a bit, I would be glad to hear this too!
Stav
Stav,
What else more needs to be said?
The World is in an incomprehensibly deplorable state.
Plans are afoot to initiate a thermonuclear Third World War.
People the World over either REJECT or have never heard of God providing our Human Race a Divine Savior.
The Church has been given a way TO CRUSH Satan’s head – and has chosen to NOT implemenent our Savior’s Divine Will.
And Satan just keeps on fouling up every manner of GOOD thing for the people of our World.
Perhaps SILENCE, utter sheer SILENCE, for what we have DONE and for what we have FAILED TO DO is now entirely appropriate and in order AS we await the Final Outcome and the Final Results of HUMAN WILL operating within and throughout this ‘Cause and Effect’ ALL of our All-good God’s creating.
– Fr. Joseph
Hi Fr. Joseph,
As you say, it is perhaps not needed as such, but it would be nice and courteous to get a more explicit explanation from Lynda specifically about her often mentioned claim that Orthodoxy is Schismatic.
I don’t recall you calling Orthodox Schismatics, so at the moment, this does not apply to you.
That’s all.
Stav
Well, Fr Joseph, it does sound as though you are on notice. So at the moment, I hope you do mind your p’s and q’s.
Now – Stav and Prodigal Son, we have been over this thoroughly on my post of Feb 11, 2010 and the conversation that followed.
Other members of the blogroll have posted in no uncertain terms that they are not edified (to say the least) by the discussion that transpired.
I am going to respect this.
As a Roman Catholic, the position of Holy Church is clear on the subject of the Orthodox churches: schism is the term. This is not a personal dig (of the sort you all constantly make) it is the way that Roman Catholic Church officially designates the Orthodox churches – as schismatic bodies not in communion with the See of Peter.
It think this rather clinical term is tame compared to the personal and inflammatory designations reserved for the Roman Catholic Church and doctrine as posted by the Orthodox on this blog.
And I have posted many, many reasons for why the Roman Catholic Church holds the Orthodox churches to be schismatic. Obviously, you do not accept those reasons. I do.
Whatever the opinion of the post conciliar religion currently in occupation of the Roman Catholic structures worldwide – it is irrelevant to me. I am stating the traditional, ordinary, constant magisterium of Holy Church to which I hold.
Dear Michael K
Thanks for the links to the James Lloyd’s article on The Star of David and the Devil’s Damage control.
Here are some links on this subject that may not be up for long:
http://sealofsolomon.tripod.com/REMPHANS.HTM
http://ideology.tripod.com/TALISMAN.HTM
http://sracases.tripod.com/HEXAGRAM.HTM
http://trollcams1984.tripod.com/66.HTM
http://heimbich.tripod.com/JOANDARC.HTM
http://sealofsolomon.tripod.com/CHERUBIM.HTM
http://ideology.tripod.com/HISTORIC.HTM
There’s more on this subject at these sites but this is a start.
Thanks again for the useful information.
Dear Michael K,
The Rabbis may disavow any occult association of the so called ‘Star of David’ and for the sake of public consumption, they may also deny that it is used in Kabbalah to signify 666, but the evidence suggests that James Lloyd is right and the Rabbis doing damage control are simply ignorant, else deceitful:
http://bloodonthealtar.tripod.com/DRUIDSRA.HTM
http://sealofsolomon.tripod.com/RABBI666.HTM
And also:
http://bloodonthealtar.tripod.com/USA6SEAL.HTM gives some information on the hexagram as used in Freemasonry, etc.
Texe Marrs has a talk wherein he mentions the hexagram being designated by Rabbinic sources as suggestive of Six Six Six, or 666, the number of the anti-Christ; it’s titled something like Obama and the Number 9 @ http://www.powerofprophecy.com
The evidence is actually rather overwhelming it seems to me.
Dear Lynda,
Let’s “decompile” and dissect your latest post, then.
You say:
“Well, Fr Joseph, it does sound as though you are on notice. So at the moment, I hope you do mind your p’s and q’s.”
Dear Lynda, I have given no one any notice of any kind. I mere stated where and to whom my comment was directed to and for what reason. If you got something else from it, then that is your problem. Please do not propagate your problems to others.
You said:
“Now – Stav and Prodigal Son, we have been over this thoroughly on my post of Feb 11, 2010 and the conversation that followed.”
In the conversations you mention, nothing was covered, nothing explained and none of your claims were supported by facts or logical arguments. Thus, as you can see, the question still stands. That is to say, in reality the question is still in the air for you that is, because from our side, multiple arguments and facts were presented.
You say:
“Other members of the blogroll have posted in no uncertain terms that they are not edified (to say the least) by the discussion that transpired.”
You are absolutely correct, your comments were not edified, not supported and not defended in any objective way.
You say:
“I am going to respect this.”
You’d better respect the truth, and logical argument scrutinized to the best of your ability.
You say:
“As a Roman Catholic, the position of Holy Church is clear on the subject of the Orthodox churches: schism is the term. This is not a personal dig (of the sort you all constantly make) it is the way that Roman Catholic Church officially designates the Orthodox churches – as schismatic bodies not in communion with the See of Peter.”
Dear Lynda, in order to designate something as being in a particular status, there is a need for support, wether in factual, logical or other means that are objective. If these essentials are missing, then please do not expect anybody to accept any such claims as true.
You say:
“It think this rather clinical term is tame compared to the personal and inflammatory designations reserved for the Roman Catholic Church and doctrine as posted by the Orthodox on this blog.”
You are not right. The characterizations, coming from the Eastern Orthodox Church, are definitely more strong and specific and also, they express specific accusations to specific practices and/or people, depending on the context.
However, to say that they are personal and inflammatory, is a completely different matter. To say that they are personal, it means that they are directed to a particular person. Even when the OC talks about the Pope, it talks about ALL the Popes since the RCC’s apostasy.
If names are mentioned, they are mentioned to specify the source, instigator or a supported of incorrect doctrine. This is NOT personal Lynda, it is a simple reference to facts. Just like what happens in other logical processes.
If one says that the Theory of Relativity makes the Newtonian (or Newton’s) theory obsolete, are they being personal or received as inflammatory? No, they are not, they are just using the name, to refer to the beginning of some fact, idea or theory and pointing rightly so, the drawbacks of it.
Further about the matter of inflammatory comments, from the part of the OC. Inflammatory comments, are ones that somehow inflame the situation and also have a connotation of slander. But, in the case of this dispute, the comments are not slanderous, they are merely factual and a presentation of Historical and Dogmatic events.
Thus, in a sense of the word, yes, one can say that the comments from OCs are inflammatory, because they may spark explosive and fiery opposition. But that is not to say that this is done with that particular intent in mind. The intent, is to present the Truth, and if one by facing the truth, feels “inflamed”, again, that’s really their problem, isn’t it?
The only alternative for the OC not to be inflammatory to the majority of RCCs , is to STOP TELLING THE TRUTH. But, unfortunately that is NOT going to happen.
Jews, were also left feeling “inflamed” by some of Jesus Christ’s comments and sayings. Does that make Jesus at fault? No, because He was “merely” speaking the truth. And He obviously did not stop either.
Dear Lynda, in matters of Heresy, things are beyond “personal” and “inflammatory”. They are matters of eternal Truth. And these matters will ALWAYS leave the heretics feeling inflamed, because THAT IS THE EFFECT that truth has on the untrue. Truth, dissolves untruthfulness and sometimes, this is a painful process.
You Say:
“And I have posted many, many reasons for why the Roman Catholic Church holds the Orthodox churches to be schismatic. Obviously, you do not accept those reasons. I do.”
Again, you have not posted any such thing. You have posted, circular (failing) logic, facts that only you ascribe to as truth and personal opinion of either yourself and other people. Nothing that you presented, was supported by scripture, history, logic or even common sense.
It is no wonder that we do not accept these “reasons” of yours, because we see that they are not even reasons. They are subjective opinion. Subjective opinion can only convince the already convinced – or the weak minded.
You say:
“Whatever the opinion of the post conciliar religion currently in occupation of the Roman Catholic structures worldwide – it is irrelevant to me. I am stating the traditional, ordinary, constant magisterium of Holy Church to which I hold.”
And this is exactly the point, dear Lynda, what exactly is the tradition that whatever version of the RCC, that you hold to? It is the tradition up to year 1000? To year 1100? To year 1200, 1300, 1400, 1500, 1600, 1700, 1800, 1900 or 2000s?
At what point, did you notice that things are changing and you need to “backtrack a little” to be at least somewhat in peace with your conscience?
If you say for example the 1800s, then my question to you, is, why not back track to the 1700s, since in the 1700s your “Church” ALSO introduced things which were not there before. And the same goes for all the other centuries, down to the time of the Great Schism.
It is clear that you fail to see the Truth and cannot support your own beliefs with anything but subjective claims. And at the same time, you call us Schismatics, when you do not have even a shred of evidence to support this. And tragically, just like so many others, you are convinced of your own powerlessness to explain your own beliefs.
And finally, you say that you find the “currently in Occupation RC structures worldwide as irrelevant”
Correct me if I am wrong Lynda, but did you not previously support your “Church” and the current Pope? And if you find it irrelevant, then are you also saying that you will not follow anything that this current Occupying force is mandating? Something tells me that you will follow and completely too. Do you see the clash in your own words, even in this single post? Do you see the black holes of immense proportions in your current ecclesiological awareness?
What is your “church” then Lynda? Where do you belong to? At what point, did you think, that this part is “irrelevant to me”, but that part is OK? What principles, and thinking process did you use? Do you see now, that really, you do NOT have anything to stand for, because if you did, you would have presented it already?
Stav
I agree that the evidence is overwhelming.
The Pyramid Texts which translated the ‘written’ pyramids of Unas and Saquarra were published in the 19th century. I have Faulkner’s trans.
The Eygptian Hieroglyph that codoes for Horahki or Horus on the Horizon is 6 triangles. The integration of those 6 triangles as rays from a hexagon perfectly expresses the concept of Horus rising.
Egyptian mythology is a diabolical trinity of father (Osiris), son (Horus) and Sokar. This mythology is a journey through the Duat or Milky Way a concept that involves heavens, earth and underworld. In the 5th hour of the Duat “his name becomes Sokar” – that is Osiris becomes Sokar and weds Nephthys who gives birth to Anubis.
Isis / Nephthys; Osirus / Sokar and Horus / Aunbis are the gods of Egypt. The pharoah or god king is an osirus at his death and horus at his rebirth.
Lately reading about Planet X, I have come to think that the whole mythology of the Duat sets out the journey of X as their god. It describes the journey of X in its eliptical orbit around Sirius and our sun which is its perhelion.
How close X transits to earth may well depend on whether or not humanity is keeping God’s laws.
When it rises in the eye of the sun in our solar system that Horus rising and that is when they (shemsu Hor, the Elders or the secret brotherhood) sets their Horus king upon the throne of the world. That is also the perfect image of their ‘all seeing eye’.
I think this is the basis for all the mystery schools and their great work. The duality between sun and saturn as dark sun fits the duality of this mythology.
Lucifer’s identity with planet X fits this mythology. He is spirit, but as a spirit he can take possession of corporeal bodies.
Dear Stav,
I have supported my statements in this discussion with many authoritative statments from the magisterium of Holy Church: statements from the Petrine Office, from the Council of Chalcedon (which declarations you reject while recognizing it as one of your official seven) and saints recognized by both the Christian East and West.
Which of course you do not accept.
What part of ‘I am not going to continue with this conversation’ do you not understand?
As far as I am concerned the matter is at an end. I do not believe the Orthodox claims. Period. I think your hierarchy is wall to wall Masonic and / or KGB or rabbinic – the same crew that currently occupies the Roman Catholic structures worldwide.
According to the ordinary, constant magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church (not the antipapacy est 1958 – ) the Orthodox Churches are schismatic bodies. This is how I regard your church.
The Orthodox claim the Roman Catholic Church since the Great Schism is heretical. You believe this. Fine. Your opinion makes no impression upon me whatsoever. If you wish to continue to call me a heretic, feel free to continue to do so. I do not take a statement like this from an Orthodox personally.
Dear Lynda,
Your last comments are again, emotional, unsubstantiated and in fact, they are insulting and blasphemous. You are blasphemous and I only hope that you have the benefit of ignorance.
To put every single OC hierarch in the same basket, without a shred of evidence and knowledge about the subject is not only ignorant, but prone to extreme damage to you and yours around you. You better repent and take it back. Or, alternatively, back up your disgusting claims about the mostly Blessed OC Hierarchy with some facts.
Furthermore, your comments, about whether you believe what I say or not, are actually irrelevant.
No, Lynda, I do not believe what I say about the OC. I know it. I have seen proof of it. There is a difference. It is only you who claims to believe something.
The matter of how the Church is Schismatic or Not and how it was split, is NOT a matter of faith. Thus, belief is NOT and SHOULD NOT come into discerning what happened. The only thing you have to do is pick up a book of history and you will find out what happened.
SO, to simply close the matter with a statement, that this is what you believe, is not only intentionally irrelevant, it is also intentionally a way for you to escape. You turn what is a matter of fact, into a matter of faith and so now, I am basically politely asked by you to let you have your own beliefs.
THIS is what your Catholic faith has brought you to. You put faith where you require NONE, and you try to put logic, where you CANNOT put any.
Your mind has been destroyed by your Papist outlook, and the wisdom and capacity to see it is lost. Your faith is akin to the faith a member of a cult has, where NO analysis is attempted, and obvious matters are turned to matters of Faith.
If we were talking about “Whether there is a God” or some thing that is purely a matter of Faith, I would have accepted your freedom to believe anything you want. But in this case, the matter is NOT a matter of Faith, is it a matter of being willing to just simply turn to a few book pages to FIND out WHAT HAPPENED. If you are unwilling to do that, because you are afraid that your precious little Papism will collapse in your mind, then WHERE IS your faith in your Church?
You say that my opinion, does not make any kind of impression on you. WHY SHOULD IT? YOU SHOULD NOT TAKE MY OPINION AT FACE VALUE. YOU SHOULD RESEARCH IT AND COME BACK WITH ARGUMENTS.
This is not a battle of impressions. This is NOT some kind of contest on who is going to impress better. the problem of Papist heresy is a Massive abomination and this is what I am trying to expose. Yet, you think this is some kind of personal vendetta, or some kind of attempt to show off. Why would I be writing all of this, if I did not see that the truth must be spoken out for, regardless of the consequences?
Do you not even care to find out a once and for all conclusive proof either way? What will you do next time you are faced with a OC/RCC debate? Will you again, try to get out of it, by simply saying this is not what you believe and that the end of it?
Remember we are not discussing matters of Faith, that is a different subject. We are simply trying to discern who is the Schismatic, who is the one who caused the split, who is the one who introduced new doctrine, practices etc. etc. ALL of that, has NOTHING to do with faith. You can find it out, documented, analyzed over and over again.
Take the American Independence timeline as an example. Would you EVER think of “regarding”, as you put it, the matter as one that requires belief? NO, you would not. You would PICK up that HISTORY BOOK, and refute the nonsense with proper references. But when it comes to your “church” , you will do nothing of the sort. You will quickly slip out of any argument, by converting it to a matter of faith. And I know why you do it.
It is because your almighty Pope, does not have the Power yet, to undo centuries of written History. And you know this, and you know that if you do look into this, you will be proven wrong.
You say that you regard the OC in that or this particular way. WHY, are you a Robot? Why do you have to regard ANYTHING in a particular way without researching it? Do you actually know anything about the OC, it’s history, it’s theology, or are you merely repeating the word off your fellow Popes and their helpers?
Why resort to things which have nothing to do with finding out the truth? Why not apply logic where it is due, and faith where IT is due? Who told you that simply regarding something as one or the other, constitutes proof?
You say:
“I have supported my statements in this discussion with many authoritative statments from the magisterium of Holy Church: statements from the Petrine Office, from the Council of Chalcedon (which declarations you reject while recognizing it as one of your official seven) and saints recognized by both the Christian East and West.”
There is good example of the kind of proof you present, which in actuality does not consist real proof however.
Even if what you implicate is to be interpreted as you do, it still does not constitute reason to characterize the OC as Schismatic.
“Schismatic” means something that has separated due to a “Schism”. Schism, in Greek, means split. So, how does your above statement prove that the OC is Schismatic. In the very least, your statement above, is irrelevant. In actuality of course, it is simply miss understood.
Regardless, Schismatic is the smaller part that has split from the bigger part. In the case of the early Church, the smaller part was the Church of Rome, which separated it self from the rest of the Churches. Thus, by definition, the Roman Church was the Schismatic at the time, and not the rest of the “group”, if you can call it that.
Any other definition of the word Schismatic, which in terms of language may be valid, would have been used for BOTH SIDES, because both were the result of a split (and thus both parts could be called Schismatic in that sense, because they are both “splits”). But, in regards to the Great Schism, the use of the word Schismatic, is to define the part of the Church, which took on its own way, and split it self from the group. In this sense, which is also to contextual one, Schismatic is the Roman “Church”, which left the group.
Thus, again, by definition, Schismatics are the Romans.
Thus, your use of the Chalcedon Council, does not take away this fact. And of course, it does not take away the fact, that the rest of the Church did not separate and did not join the heresy of the west.
In that last instance and in context with the word “Schismatic”, again we see the same pattern, which is that the split was confined to the greatest extent to the Church of Rome and not the rest of the Churches. Thus, again, according to the definition I gave above, the use of the word Schismatic is and unfortunate one, because it does not apply to the case of the action taken by the OC.
In addition to the above, if you look at the historical data and events that took place, you will clearly see that it was the Church of Rome which took the “liberty” of differentiating itself, and mainly for the reason of acquiring worldly power, to call Rome and it’s Pope the imperial head of the Church. This obviously caused the opposition of the rest of the Patriarchs, which cased the wilfull separation of the RCC from the rest.
Now, if we take another definition of the word Schismatic, which is: “The one responsible of causing a split”, then we can again see, that the one who was responsible of causing the Great Schism (or Split), was the Pope and the Roman Church.
Thus, again, using an alternative method, we arrive at the same conclusion, which is that it was the Romans who were Schismatics, because they initiated the Split.
So, as you can see, we now have two reasons, by means of the definition of the word schismatic, that prove that at least by definition the schismatics were the Romans and not the main body of the Church (i.e. practically everyone else).
Furthermore, we have another relevant word, which is the word Schism. In Greek, the word Schism, is “Schisma” or Σχίσμα. the word, in it self denotes a small piece, rather than a large one. This means, that if we have a split (a schism) in a block of wood for example, we would call ONLY the smaller piece a Schism (Schisma) and NOT the bigger, main body of the block.
The same goes with the Church. What happened, was essentially the separation of ONE church, from the rest of the churches. In this instance, and using correct use of Greek, the ancients, would call ONLY the smaller part, i.e. what was almost exclusively the single church of Rome a Schism. And they would have called the main body which they separated themselves from, exactly that, the main body.
So there we have a third way to look at this. Schism, denotes the smaller part. Schismatic, is that which has the characteristics of a schism. And schismatic, is that which caused the split. As you can see, by using either of these three, the correct characterization of the OC is the Main Body and that of the RCC is the split, or otherwise known as the Schism. Thus, the RCC is Schismatic.
Now, I realize of course, that this does not deal with the doctrinal issues, and thus, even though the above proves that the word Schismatic is not appropriate for the OC, it does not make clear WHICH of these two was the Church proper, or to put it in other words, where did the Grace of God stay.
That is of course a different matter, but suffice it to say, that if one takes a chronology of events that occurred after the great schism, it will be obvious, where the Grace of God was retained, and where it was lost or greatly diminished.
Stav
As I stated the many proofs on my post of Feb 11, 2010 – then I am blasphemous, then so is the Council of Chalcedon, so are saints like Maximos the Confessor venerated by the Christian East and West.
Frankly, I prefer to stand with them.
As far as I am concerned Stav, your accusations are null, void and worthless.
Interestingly, Hagar the mother of Ishmael, was also a princess. According to the Book of Jasher, her father was the Pharoah of Egypt.
Another coincidence is that Isaac’s son Jacob had 12 sons. Ishmael also had 12 sons. The sons of Ishmael were called princes and lived in 12 castles! Genesis 25:16
Dear LillyWest,
Agreed, most Christian Zionists are not really Zionists but simply decieved — you might say Zionists by default. That’s why, as the Zionist-Talmudists know, the cozy self-serving relationship they have with Churchianity is tenuous and temporary — they are using Zio-Churchianity as long as they can, which means only as long as they can keep them duped, which appears to be about the time it takes hell to freeze over.
Even so, their dependence on Churchianity is their achilles heel, so they’ve got hell stoked and their blow torches burning.
That said, let me say that Bro. Nathanael does us a great favor in exposing this fraud for what it is. Some may call it gossip, but let’s face it, if nobody pulls the mask off these fakes, then good people get hurt, because their hard-earned money is bilked by lying two-faced phoney back-stabbing kabbalist-Talmudic-transustantiators of Moshiach Ben Mammon-Ra of the “Mogen David” Star of Moloch.
What to think of Razinger’s recent escapade in his magick Zionist crusader hat,
as documented by Maurice Pinay? (See: http://heimbich.tripod.com/PINAY001.HTM )
Did the Zionists take over the Vatican?
http://www.opusdeialeert.com.
I think now I will search this site for what Bro. Nathanael, our shock therapist, has to say on this.
More deceit from the Sarah Palin camp?
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2010/02/tale-of-two-babies-by-sarah-palin.html
Michael K,
You link to claims that an insider has wind of plan by Anglo-Saxon white elitists to start WWIII as soon as the necessary surveillance system is up and running. That theory holds no water at this point, a red herring it seems to me.
Said theory is, the Anglo Sax white elitists — maybe the “Germanic death cult” pinpointed by AJ — could eliminate the 50 or so percent of the population, as they desire, with other means, but they need WWIII and its pre-planned precursor wars as pretext to implement the surveillance system needed to control the post WWIII world.
Ok, that’s seemingly plausible, though if it’s insider info we cannot verify that the plan exists as stated, or that if the plan does exist, its actually the Anglo elite who are behind it.
What we can know is that an internet-based surveillance system is being implemented, as documented by James Bamford in his book, “The Shadow Factory.”
A review is here: http://trollcams1984.tripod.com/BAMFORDS.HTM
And more info here: http://trollcams1984/1984IN08.HTM.
In 1999, we wrote about this internet-based surveillance system, and we anticipated that to put this in place, four conditions would be necessary:
1) super fast face scan, voice scan, software, etc., and super-fast deep packet analysis software for other types of data as well, e.g., Carnivore-like software to target and analyze email;
2) download of internet traffic to NSA super computers;
3) ubiquitous web cams, etc., digital eyes and ears;
4) data-base of biometric data, e.g., digital face prints, voice prints, etc. see: http://trollcams1984.tripod.com
All this has more or less been accomplished in short order, but the interception of net traffic, the dowloading of data to NSA super CPUs, was implemented differently than we anticipated, and in such a way that made it possible for a foreign nation, Israel, to conquer the Rock of Gibralter of digital communications.
This incredible feat was accomplished by positioning Israeli-made supercomputers and spy software to filter net content at the landing sites, i.e, the transcontinental internet backbones crossing the Pacific and Atlantic and landing on US shores, where telecom company switches are located and through which 82% or more of world internet traffic passes, thus making the air-based NSA FIVE-EYES ESCHELON system obsolete.
A phiber optik tap mirrors the content of the backbone cable, then re-directs the mirrored content to an Israeli Narus 6400 super CPU at the landing site, which is fed instructions by the NSA to capture certain data, then download it to the NSA super computers located elsewhere, where the data is then further analyzed, which means the Mossad has first take at this data, since they reportedly have back doors built into the integrated circuits.
True, they cannot do mass capture, but that would be useless, because they could never process or analyze the entire content, anyway, and hence the feasibility of the present implementation which pre-filters the data before sending a smaller data-sream down stream to NSA computers.
Apparently, Israeli Mossad has trumped the NSA and now arguably has a greater surveillance and spy capacity than the USA, believe it or not, so I think that if the Anglo-Saxon white global elites really want to surveil and control the post nuclear-holocaust world to ensure that their own are the survivors and rulers, they’ve got some pipe dreams to lay down first.
Palin’s name should be spelled without the “l”. It would then rhyme with McInsane who tapped her for the vice presidency…or presidency of VICE, whichever.
The woman is nothing more than a cheap political whore like Clinton and Di-Fi and Boxer and Pelosi and all the rest and a walking billboard for the flat repeal of the XXth Amendment.
One Elizabeth P. Dillings or Vivian Kellums in American politics would be worth more than all of the womenhood-in-biological-name-only we are cursed with having there now.
Lynda,
You are blasphemous by putting all the OC hierarchy in the same basket and saying that they are all Masons. The rest is simply willful and ignorant heresy.
As for your rejection of the plainly put truth in front of you, you’re the only one who is going to suffer from it, unless you open your eyes some time in the future.
Stav
Hi Lynda,
Hope you are well.
I see you’ve brought up Chalcedon again… Does this mean you’re ready to address the things I brought up on the 11th (which you ignored)?
Namely that the canons and Creed of Chalcedon say NOTHING about the bishop of Rome having ultimate authority over the entire Church.
Here again, the Creed of Chalcedon:
‘Following the holy Fathers, we unanimously teach and confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ: the same perfect in divinity and perfect in humanity, the same truly God and truly man, composed of rational soul and body; consubstantial with the Father as to his divinity and consubstantial with us as to his humanity; “like us in all things but sin.”
He was begotten from the Father before all ages as to his divinity and in these last days, for us and for our salvation, was born as to his humanity of the virgin Mary, the Mother of God.
We confess that one and the same Christ, Lord, and only-begotten Son, is to be acknowledged in two natures without confusion, change, division, or separation. The distinction between natures was never abolished by their union, but rather the character proper to each of the two natures was preserved as they came together in one person (prosopon) and one hypostasis.’
Where in that statement do you see anything about Roman papal authority over the entire Church? It’s not there!
Likewise the canons of Chalcedon do not confer ultimate authority upon the Roman papacy… In fact – the 28th canon SPECIFICALLY states that Rome and Constantinople shall receive EQUAL honor (whether the Roman ‘pontiff’ likes it or not – as I’ve said before, if it was all up to the pope alone there would have been no need for any councils at all.)
So listing off what a few individuals said in THE MINUTES of the council (currying favor) does not mean anything! Individual pronouncements DO NOT determine Church doctrines! Again the Church was (and still is) CONCILIAR!
The quotes you provided from St. John Chrysostom, who was a native and presbyter of Antioch, speak of St. Peter and the HONOR afforded him… but they say nothing of Peter’s subsequent successors, as claimed by the Popes, retaining the status of Peter. And even if they did – St. John Chrysostom is ALSO an individual, and NO MAN is infallable in their pronouncements about anything (especially the Church).
And AGAIN – what about Peter’s successors in Antioch? Explain how it is that Peter’s supposed ‘authority’ wasn’t conferred to them first, since Peter was bishop of Antioch FIRST?!?
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Besides – all of this pales in importance to the salvation of your eternal soul! Here’s a quote that DOES matter to you AND I:
‘Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.
Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”‘
– John 6:53,54
Ask yourself – what is more important to you… The defence of the so-called ‘Petrine office’ or your eternal soul?!?
All of the (legitimate) grievances you have against the current bishop of Rome are shared by the Eastern Orthodox Churches! If we go back 1,000 years, Rome was only ONE Church of the Pentarchy.
Do you honestly believe that ONE MAN (the Roman pope) was right – while EVERYONE in the Churches of Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople and Jerusalem were ALL WRONG?!?
Every one of the issues you hold against the current pope of Rome which keep you from communion with the R.C. are SHARED likewise by the Eastern Orthodox! So WHAT keeps you from communion with them?
With love,
Joshua
Prodigal Son,
At the time of the Great Apostasy, the power of antiChrist has “strength over the continual sacrifice and truth is cast down to the ground.” Dan 8:12.
Rabbinical antipopes, Masonic bishops and clergy invalidly ordained in the post conciliar rite (which effectually extinguishes the sacrament of orders) are not offerring the Holy Sacrifice. It is offered covertly by the underground hierarchy.
I am very well aware of what is going on in Greece. I have had personal correspondence from friends in Greece who know very well what is going on in that Synod. If you want to understand, perhaps you should read the history of the French Revolution.
As a Roman Catholic who is a part of of the scattered flock, it is not possible ordinarily for me to receive the sacraments. This is a cross for us and a sign for you.
The Enemies of the Church, who always take a legalistic view of matters, of course, always point out that we place our eternal souls in jeopardy by honouring our Lord in the same way that persecuted Catholics would not receive invalid sacraments from the Masonic clergy installed by the Jacobin gov’t at the time of the French Revolution.
At these times, the persecuted Catholics pray for the Grace to go courageously and confidently to the guillotine (if it should come to that) with the holy faith and WITHOUT the sacraments rather than dishonour the Lord Jesus Christ, King by resorting to simulated sacraments and clergy who are under the anathema of the Church.
This is what the mercy of the Sacred Heart is fundamentally about.
The idea of joining abjuring Holy Church and joining a schismatic body is unthinkable.
The Chaos of our times, Prodigal Son, does not throw the holy faith into any doubt in the mind of a Catholic who will persevere in the faith.
People! Come and hear the one and only Brother Nathanael say it as only he can at:
http://theuglytruth.podbean.com/2010/02/23/the-ugly-truth-podcast-feb-21-2010/
Dear Lynda,
I’m very sorry to hear you say that… You must be very sure of yourself! I say you’re WRONG! Orthodoxy certainly does have valid sacraments!
Listen to these podcasts PLEASE! I guarantee you will like them.
They are done by a lady named Dr. Jeannie Constantinou who is married to an Orthodox priest (making her a presvytera.)
She is currently a professor at a Roman Catholic school: the University of San Diego.
Listen to her podcast series called ‘Search the Scriptures here:
http://ancientfaith.com/podcasts/searchthescriptures#
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‘Eugenia Constantinou holds a Bachelor’s Degree in Religious Studies (1980) and a Master of Arts degree in Practical Theology from the University of San Diego (1992). She received a Master of Theology degree from Holy Cross Greek Orthodox School of Theology in 1996 where she specialized in Orthodox Theology and Patristics.
She also received a Master of Theology from Harvard Divinity School in 1998 where she specialized in the New Testament. She had also previously earned a Juris Doctorate degree from Pepperdine University School of Law in 1985 and has been a member of the California Bar since that same year.
Dr. Constantinou received her Ph.D. at Université Laval, Quebec City, Canada, in 2007, writing her doctoral dissertation on ‘Andrew of Caesarea and the Apocalypse in the Ancient Church of the East.’
Dr. Constantinou has been teaching Biblical Studies and Early Christianity at the University of San Diego since 2002. Previously she taught New Testament at Holy Cross Greek Orthodox School of Theology from 1998-1999. She has led bible studies, taught and lectured on the Bible and Orthodoxy at parishes, conferences, retreats and seminars for over thirty years.
She is married to Fr. Costa, who is the pastor of the Greek Orthodox Mission of South Orange County, and is simply ‘Mom’ to Christopher, who is 16 years old.”
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If you’re so confident that you’re right – then surely there’s nothing this lady can say that will change your mind… So you have nothing to lose – right?
Praying for you!
Dear Prodigal Son,
I do not doubt that Dr Constantinou is of good character. The fact that she has a lot of degrees, in itself means nothing. There are a lot of people who have good ideas and lots of degrees, even theological degrees.
For what it is worth, I have several university degrees. Collectively, in terms of truth value, they are not worth a single statement of a saint of the Catholic Church carrying the imprimatur of the Church.
I would not read the theology of anyone employed in a Roman Catholic university or college under the jurisdiction of the anti-papacy, anymore than I would read Lubac or Rahner. Actually, I have read Lubac and Rahner when I was in the novus ordo.
In hindsight, such reading contributed less than zero to my understanding of the holy faith.
In studying the matters of faith, I read the scriptures, patristics, doctors and saints of the Church as interpreted by the living authority of Holy Catholic Church. This is the ordinary, constant magisterium of the Holy Father speaking with the bishops doctrines of faith and morals – as it has come down to us through the gerations.
In matters of faith and morals, unless the material has an imprimatur on it and predates the antipapacy est 1958, I am not going to commit my mind to it by way of study.
What motivates me is to acquire a mind of unity with Holy Catholic Church. This is possible only to the extent that my own mind and thinking is in line with what the Church teaches. And yes, on these grounds I am confident that I am right if it can be demonstrated that am thinking with the Catholic Church.
On the subject of social kingship of the Lord Jesus Christ, for example, that he desires to reign over all nations by means of his Sacred Heart – I am confident that when I write this statement I am right, not because I am based upon my own reason or scholarship, but because my statement is based upon the living interpretation of sacred scripture as taught in the infallible Catholic doctrine Quas Primas.
My thinking and convictions on this statement are valid because they are informed by this single mind of the living faith within the Catholic Church. I am sure you disagree, but then you do not accept my frame of reference; as I do not accept yours.
The question: where is the living source of authority within the Church? we answer very differently.
For the Roman Catholic, the living magisterium is what the Holy Spirit is saying to us through our Pope and bishops. And Holy Church has not left us in doubt of scriptural and canonical authority for who are our bishops.
The Catholic concept of doctrine is not analogous to museum like first century A.D. preservation of the Sacred Deposit but rather is concerned with the Holy Spirit speaking to the Church and communicated through the Petrine Office and / or with the bishops and Councils of bishops in communion with the Holy Father.
To us the Testament to Jesus lives in the communications of the Holy Spirit, grows and develops anew every generation in the interpretation of the Sacred Deposit: the holy scripture and tradition (which we have from the Apostles), the lives and witness of saints.
This Testament is a seamless unity analogous to the seed of the Kingdom of God in our Lord’s parable.
Like the tiny mustard seed it grows up and filling all the world with the knowledge of the Lord. The sapling stock looks very different to the tree in its flower – but it is the same tree.
To the extent that my thinking and expression are based upon this magisterium, your statement is essentially correct. There is nothing I can learn from Dr Constantinou in the matter of faith and morals. Apart from this she probably has some good ideas which in themselves are edifying – but for me, this becomes a matter of my time and energy. There are lot of writers who have some ideas that are good in themselves and thus profitable for anyone to read.
However, if she writes against the magisterium of Holy Church, then absolutely there is nothing she could possibly say that will change my mind in any way.
It is not true that a soul has nothing to lose in moving from truth to error.
I might read such error if I needed to inform myself on what some erroneous writer thinks or what is their argument against the Church. But I have no reason to do that.
The road is narrow that leads to life Prodigal Son. In order to think with the mind oriented to truth in the matter of faith and morals, the Christian mind must be formed by the mind of the Church.
I appreciate that this does not suit those who think that what is needed in faith and morals is the freedom of lots of different opinions to pick and choose. The Catholic, however, does not give truth and error equal rights.
Oh well… so they say:
‘There are none so blind as those that will not see.’
I know you didn’t even click on the link… if you had you would know that it takes you to a site with ‘podcasts’ that you listen to – not read. This takes very little time and effort so that’s no excuse.
You speak of of mustard seed that changes and grows… but you yourself are stagnant, and stuck.
You have made up your mind… you are CONVINCED that you are right and everyone else is wrong. In your pride and insecurity, thus you have become a protestant!
Much of this obviously comes from the fact that you use a Pharisaically censored & corrupted Bible. Have you ever even LOOKED at the original ‘vulgate’ – the Septuagint to compare and see what has been taken away by the ‘rabbis’? Or is that something else that you are too brilliant to even consider?
If it was up to your ‘holy’ Roman ‘catholic’ ‘church’ (sic) the Scriptures (even if they are corrupted Masoretic) would still be in Latin!
And AGAIN – you’ve IGNORED everything I said and asked in my post on the 25th @ 1:56 re: Chalcedon and Peter’s chair – IN ANTIOCH…
Very telling.
I’m still praying for you.
Dear Prodigal Son,
St Peter’s Chair is whereever St. Peter or his successor is. I would have thought this to be so basic as not to require comment.
The Council of Chalcedon addresses Pope Leo as the successor of Peter in Rome to whose primacy and jurisdiction the deliberations of the Council are referred for deliberation and ratification. All of this is clear in the Feb 11, 2010 post.
There are Roman Catholic rites which use the Greek as well as Slavonic. The Roman rite uses Latin. Obviously you have a problem with this and it is not your Church. Please get over it. The Scriptures are for the Church, not the Church for the Scriptures.
Thank you for your prayers, as I too pray for Brother Nathanael and all the bloggers on the RZN Messageboard.
Dear Lynda,
The problem is not the language, you got it all wrong.
The problem is the enormous heresies perpetrated by your religious community. I.e. filioque, infallibility, immaculate conception, purgatory, turning the Mother of God into a goddess etc. etc. etc.
It is also the enormous changes in practices and the worldly attitude…
Stav
Dear Lynda,
Your attitude as a TRUE Catholic is absolutely correct.
There is a pre- and post-1958 Catholic Church. The usurpation of the Petrine Office and following Vatican II disaster is the last of many crises that the Church had to overcome in 2000 years.
THE CHURCH ALWAYS VANQUISHED THE ATTEMPTS TO UNDERMINE IT.
I’d like to remind our Orthodox brothers that many of these crises (e.g. Arrianism) happened while we (East and West) still were in communion. It is not an exclusive feature of the Roman Catholic Church.
Furthermore, note that we also use and recognize the Septuagint, as well as the Vulgate. Who said that the Catholic Church does not recognize the LXX?
If you could see the attacks on the Catholic Church at this moment in Europe, you will instantly recognize that it is STILL THE OBSTACLE WHICH THE SATANISTS HAVE TO OVERCOME TO BRING ABOUT THEIR RULE. They are bringing all sort of reports about sexual scandals, the Williamson affaire and other issues in the media, aimed at discrediting the Church as a whole. No such attacks are brought against the Protestant denominations. This is telling.
From good sources I know that Benedict XVI is now trying to steer back. Maybe he recognized his own errors in previous years. Let’s pray for him that our Lord Jesus give him the strength and wisdom to steer the Catholic Church into the right path again.
Dear Lynda,
No – you’ve misunderstood me…
I know that Roman Catholics consider the pope to be Peter’s successor. I’m asking you: Why is it that Peter’s successor IN ANTIOCH (where Peter was bishop BEFORE he was in Rome) is not considered to sit in ‘Peter’s chair’?
If Peter founded the Church in Antioch and ordained Evodius as his successor in Antioch (with Ignatius effectively being 3rd bishop of Antioch)… Then WHY wern’t Evodius and Ignatius considered to be Peter’s successors in the way the subsequent ‘popes’ (bishops of Rome) supposedly were?
Seems to me that Evodius in Antioch was Peter’s FIRST successor – and that Linus in Rome was ordained in Rome later.
So why wasn’t Evodius in Antioch considered Peter’s successor? Why isn’t the bishop of Antioch called ‘the pope’, and why doesn’t he occupy ‘Peter’s chair’ there?
You said, “The Council of Chalcedon addresses Pope Leo as the successor of Peter in Rome (…)”
In my estimation… there were INDIVIDUALS of the council who addressed Leo like that, but they were only trying to curry favor with him… and that doesn’t make what they said TRUE.
Here’s a quote from pope Gregory (the great) (540-604):
He wrote: “I say it without the least hesitation, whoever calls himself the universal bishop, or desires this title, is by his pride, the precursor of anti-Christ, because he thus attempts to raise himself above the others.
The error into which he falls springs from pride equal to that of anti-Christ; for as that wicked one wished to be regarded as exalted above other men, like a god, so likewise whoever would call himself sole bishop exalteth himself above others.” (Ibid., 226)
So it seems clear that the idea of ultimate ‘papal authority’ was not held at that time anyway!
As for my reference to Latin, I was talking about the Vatican’s refusal to translate the Bible into the languages of the people outside of Latin speaking areas.
It was a long time before the Bible was available in English… and it seems that if it was up to the R.C.s – the Scriptures would STILL only be available in Latin.
Prodigal Son,
Again, you are cherry picking and weasel wording. And you have made a complete nonsense of the Epistle LXVIII of Pope St Gregory the Great.
The reference of this Epistle is to John, Bishop of Constantinople who claimed the title “universal bishop.”
This quotation can not be construed to mean that Pope Gregory the Great rejected the title “universal bishop” conferred upon the Successor of Peter in Rome by the Council of Chalcedon, a title accepted by his predecessor Pope Leo; neither can it be construed that he himself rejected the universal jurisdiction of the Roman papacy over the Church.
Rather, Pope Gregory affirms the Petrine Office as that of the universal bishop and he affirms the apostolic succession of the bishops in communion with him.
In the statement from Epistle LXVIII that you have weasled out of context, what Pope Gregory opposes is the idea that the title “universal bishop” (as conferred by Chalcedon) meant that all other bishops are not true bishops in the sense of not being successors of the apostles.
Pope Gregory rejects this interpretation of the title “universal bishop” and affirms all bishops in communion with him as true bishops and successors to the apostles.
The Roman Catholic Church celebrates the Feast of the Chair of St Peter in Antioch in January. The one who holds that Chair is a Successor of St Peter and recognized as such by the Roman Catholic Church.
The universal jurisdiction and primacy, however, are conferred upon the Roman Pontiff as Successor of St Peter in Rome, the Apostolic See founded by Sts Peter and Paul.
Many, many epistles of Pope St Gregory the Great (c 560-604) are concerned with the primacy and universal jurisdiction of the Petrine Office – especially over the steady stream of heresies emanating from bishops of Constantinople.
In his Epistle 37 (Book V) Pope St Gregory writes to the Emperor Maurice on the subject of the “universal bishop’s” [that would be the pope of Rome’s] primacy of jurisdiction. This Epistle is a letter of instruction:
“To all who know the Gospel, it is obvious that by the voice of the Lord, the care of the entire Church was committed to the holy apostle and prince of all the apostles”
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“Behold he received the Keys of the Kingdom of heaven, the power to bind and loose was given him and the care and principality of the entire Church was committed to him”
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“Am I defending my own cause in this matter? Am I vindicating some special injury of my own? Is it not rather the cause of Almighty God, the cause of the universal Church?
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“AND WE CERTAINLY KNOW THAT MANY PRIESTS OF THE CHURCH OF CONSTANTINOPLE HAVE FALLEN INTO THE WHIRLPOOL OF HERESY AND HAVE BECOME NOT ONLY HERETICS BUT HERESIARCHS” (emphasis mine for the instruction of the Orthodox schismatics).
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“Certainly, in honor of Peter, the prince of the apostles, the title ‘universal’ was offerred to the Roman pontiff by the venerable Council of Chalcedon.”
(Which Pope Leo acknowledged also)
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“…the prelates of this apostolic See which by the providence of God, I serve, had the honour offerred them of being called ‘universal’ by the venerable Council of Chalcendon.”
Epistle 37 Book V cited in the work of the Luthern scholar Jaroslave Pelikan. The Emergence of the Catholic Tradition (100-600). University of Chicago Press. 1971, 352.
And, from Epistle 26, Book IX
“The Church of Constantinople has been made subject to the apostolic See” (Pelikan, 354)
“…without the authority and consent of this apostolic See, none of the matters transacted by the Council [of Chalcedon] have any binding force” Epistle 156, Book IX. (Pelikan, 354)
You cite the deliberations of Chalcedon referred to the Roman pontiff for ratification as an example of individuals “currying favour.”
Such talk is an example of a schismatic who must resort to absurdity to defend his errors.
What you are calling “currying favour” is the proceeding of an ecumenical council of Holy Church – as confirmed by the one recognized by the council as “universal bishop” in this statement.
You are an Orthodox schismatic, Prodigal Son. I am a Roman Catholic. Deal with it.
Lynda,
*I’M* “weasel wording”?
Here – let me finish that quote for you:
“Was it not the case, as your Fraternity knows, that the prelates of this Apostolic See, which by the providence of God I serve, had the honour offered them of being called Universal by the venerable Council of Chalcedon.
**But yet not one of them has ever wished to be called by such a title, or seized upon this ill-advised name, lest if, in virtue of the rank of pontificate, he took to himself the glory of singularity, he might seem to have denied it to all his brethren.**”
– Epistles: Lib. V, Ep. XVIII
So – who’s ‘weasel wording’? Where is your honesty by omitting the second part of that statement? That’s the very definition of weasel wording!
And now you’re quoting LUTHERANS? You’ve gone full protestant now!
All of the other qoutes you provided (again) make proclamations about Peter HIMSELF… but say nothing about those pronouncements carrying over to subsequent ‘popes’ of Rome – and you STILL haven’t explained why the bishops of Antioch aren’t considered to be ‘the pope’…
Here- let me finish THIS quote for you:
“Most Religious Lord, am I defending my own cause, am I vindicating a wrong done to myself alone? NO; it is the cause of Almighty God, the cause of the UNIVERSAL CHURCH. We know of a truth that many bishops of the Church of Constantinople have fallen into the whirlpool of heresy, and have become not only heretics, but heresiarchs.” [Gregory quotes as instances Nestorius and Macedonius]
“If, then, ** ANY ** bishop of the Church assumes the title Universal, the Universal Church must be overthrown with the fall of the Universal Bishop. God forbid!
** Far from all Christian hearts be that blasphemous name, by which one bishop madly arrogates all honour to himself, taking it away from the rest of his brethren! **”
ALL Bishops are (and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN) EQUAL! Just because some ‘pope’ (or someone KISSING UP to the ‘pope’ says anything to the contrary – does NOT make it so!) Again you quote from the MINUTES of Chalcedon – but I have proven that neither the Canons NOR the Creed of Chalcedon say anything about the ‘pope’s’ primacy EXCEPT to affirm that Constantinople as EQUAL.
The Church in Jerusalem is ‘The Mother Church’… so if ANY of the Churches should have primacy, it is Jerusalem – NOT ROME!
First of all, although Peter was given the prominent role as the first of the apostles, he was always EQUAL to the other apostles. Christ told the apostles that they would sit on twelve thrones (Matt. 19:28).
A special throne was not set up for Peter. Moreover the “keys” were given to all the apostles (Matt. 18:18). The other apostles were also the foundation upon which the Church was built (Eph. 2:20).
If the Roman view is to be believed, it is interesting to note that when the disciples disputed among themselves as to who would be the greatest, (Lk. 22:24-27), they seemed unaware that Christ had already picked Peter.
Second, the Rock upon whom the Church is established is Christ. When Christ says, “Thou art Peter,” He called him “PETROS,” which means “small stone.” But when He says, “Upon this rock I will build my Church” the Greek term for rock is not Petros but “PETRA” which means “bedrock.” This bedrock which the Church is built upon was always understood by the Greek Fathers and many Western Fathers also to mean either Christ Himself, or the profession of faith in Christ’s Divinity.
Third, the patristic witness is that no Father of the Church has seen, in the primacy of Peter, ANY title of jurisdiction or absolute authority in Church government. The Latin Church Father, St. Ambrose, for instance, taught that Peter and Paul were equal:
“It was proper that Paul should go to see Peter. Why? was Peter superior to him and to the other Apostles? No, but because, of all the Apostles, he was the first to be entrusted by the Lord with the care of the churches. Had he need to be taught, or to receive a commission from Peter?
No, but that Peter might know that Paul had received the power which had also been given to himself.”
Augustine also referred to Peter’s primacy, but he does not understand this to mean power OVER the Church:
“He had NOT the primacy OVER the disciples but AMONG the disciples. His primacy among the disciples was the same as that of Stephen among the deacons.”
Also, since Peter died before the Apostle John, this would mean, according to the Papal doctrine, that the Beloved Apostle would have been under the universal rule of the Bishop of Rome (at that time), thus reversing the intended order of rank.
Peter ordained several bishops in Rome. (Irenaeus and Eusebius write that he ordained Linus, and Tertullian states that he ordained Clement.) How could they be his successor while he was still alive?
Anyhow, I’ve said all I can.
You have already quoted the disputed paragraph in full Prodigal Son. There is no need for me to repeat it. And it is still out of context of the entire Ep V LXVIII.
And I am quoting from the proceedings of Chalcedon.
You are still weasel wording and you are still a schismatic.
Dear Prodigal Son,
Have some more salt. You wrote: “And now you’re quoting LUTHERANS? You’ve gone full protestant now!”
Nope. Meet our fellow “schismatic who must resort to absurdity to defend his errors” – Dr. Jaroslav Pelikan (reposed 2006) who converted to Eastern Orthodoxy in 1998. Now, go stand in a corner with a pointy cap and contemplate “cherry picking.”
Odd that this eminent “schismatic” that our dear sister in Christ Lynda relied upon did not himself go on to become a Roman Catholic, despite the apparent idea that his quotes she used must be obvious proofs to support the Peter=Pope and the doctrines of papal supremacy.
Dr. Pelikan’s FIVE volume work of historical analysis is exactly as it is titled ‘Christian Tradition: The History of the Development of Doctrine’ and not ‘The History of the Development of the Papacy.’
Dr. Pelikan, a very precocious child with a gift for languages, was born in Akron, Ohio on December 17, 1923, to parents from Slovak families, who were born in Slavic Europe, and his mother even spoke Serbian. His father was a Lutheran pastor and his paternal grandfather was a bishop of the Slovak Lutheran Church in America.
For most of his life Dr. Pelikan belonged to the Lutheran Church, but in 1998 on the Feast Day of the Annuciation to Mary he and his wife Sylvia were received into the Orthodox Church in St Vladimir’s Seminary Chapel.
Members of Dr Pelikan’s family remember him saying that he had not as much converted to Orthodoxy as “returned to it, peeling back the layers of my own belief to reveal the Orthodoxy that was always there.”
Dr. Pelikan’s Eastern tilt can be traced back to his Slavic roots from a culturally rich place in the world of Slovakia, a vibrant “child-like” faith, his love for the Eastern liturgy, his close friendship with the Orthodox theologian Georges Florovosky, and the sheer joy that permeates the pages of The Spirit of Eastern Christendom, the second volume of his history of doctrine. He traced many of his academic and religious interests to his Slavic background.
He spent the last years of his life serving on the Board of Trustees of Saint Vladimir’s Orthodox Theological Seminary.
Unlike most church historians, who focus on one period or one aspect, Dr Pelikan ranked as one of the only authorities in the entire field of Christian history, East and West. His voluminous books and articles included subjects as diverse as the New Testament, the Reformation, Saint Augustine, Kierkegaard and medieval philosophy, and he is credited with broadening Western church history with pioneering scholarship to include the Eastern Orthodox tradition.
What Dr. Pelikan presents, for example, are three case histories of the particular doctrines that have crucial points of division among Christians. In Vol 3, Pelikan’s analysis of western medieval theology is seeing it as a troubled synthesis of the Augustinian tradition.
Pelikan begins his narrative by showing the unity of “the Faith.” The Faith, following St Vincent of Lerins “is that which is believed at all times by all peoples everywhere.”
This 5th c. Orthodox Gallic Father was therefore “concillar” and Chalecdonian and his understanding of the “catholicity” according to the patristic consciousness of the Church prior to the rise of the papal monarchy as a distinct religio-political state and related supremacy premises commencing the 9th c., the foundations of which are the 9th c. Pseudo-Isadore Decretals, and which contain the spurious and most accursed document of all time, the forged Donation of Constantine see: http://www.myriobiblos.gr/texts/english/constantelos.html
After Emperor Constantine moved his capital to the East, that is from Diocletian’s reformed Tetrarchy government and the orbit of Rome to Constantinople, the pope became the first personality in the West.
Consequently and subsequent thereto, the popes on their own behalf — in the distance of the emperor — began to add to Rome a specific political and ecclesiastical church meaning and significance inasmuch as it claimed it received its Christian enlightenment directly and exclusively from the prime-Apostles, Saints Peter and Paul.
Specifically, the popes recurred to Saint Peter, whose memory was sacred among ALL Christians East and West, who from the very beginning understood the entire episcopacy to be universal heirs of the Apostle Peter, evolved a proposition known in Orthodox Catholic Church History as the 9th c. “False-Isidorian Decretals,” (inclusive of the spurious and most accursed of documents for all time — the “Donation of Constantine,” found to be written in 8th or 9th c. Latin by a long-deceased 4th c. Roman emperor).
The Decretals are universally considered to be composed of bold and unblushing forgeries of papal decrees and other documents, mixed in with authentic and legitimate documents which alleges that Jesus made Peter head over all other Apostles setting him up as a Prince of the Church; that this headship after the death of Apostle Peter passed to subsequent Roman popes; and that therefore, the pope is the head of all bishops, the Vicar of Christ on earth.
And as such he is alleged to be ipso facto an autocratic monarch of the Church, the Supreme Judge, higher than the Ecumenical Councils — one from whom all bishops and clerics receive gifts of Grace, their rights and “jurisdiction.”
Nowadays Christian scholars all agree, including the RCC whose 15th, 16th, and 17th c. scholars did the investigations to begin with, that these so-called papal letters are forgeries. These documents, to the number of about one hundred, appeared suddenly in the ninth century and are nowhere mentioned before that time.
The first usage of the title “vicar of Peter” is recorded being used in the 7th c. The name/title “pope” was first used in correspondence about the bishop of Alexandria in the 2nd c., some three centuries before the bishop of Rome first used it as a title.
For more on the ancient Manuscripts of the False-Isadorean Decretals see: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05773a.htm .
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05118a.htm
“For the Donation of Constantine as this name is understood (and sometimes the entire episode is called the Sylvester Legend), since the end of the Middle Ages, a forged document of Emperor Constantine the Great, by which large privileges and rich possessions were conferred on the pope and the Roman Church.
“In the oldest known (ninth century) manuscript (Bibliothèque Nationale, Paris, manuscript Latin 2777) and in many other manuscripts the document bears the title: ‘Constitutum domini Constantini imperatoris.'” http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05118a.htm
So, logically, if St. Vincent lived four centuries prior to all of these later circumstances, he therefore can not be anachronistically claimed as some sort of advocate for something which did not historically exist in his time.
Naturally then, Dr. Pelikan’s reliance on St. Vincent for his history of doctrines begins at the 5th century patristic and concillar understanding of Calcedonian Orthodox Catholicity.
For insight into the fuller Orthodox understanding of “catholicity” and St. Vincent of Lerins see: http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/phronema/stvincent.aspx
Deviating from this point made by St. Vincent, as Pelikan (and history) shows, almost always leads to heresy and schism. And those who fall into schism rarely continue. Pelikan gives a number of helpful passages from Bede to the point.
Secondly, in his great life’s work with the academic reputation for scrupulous intellectual honesty and fairness as a historian across most Christian scholarly circles:
“Besides demonstrating the fact of doctrinal development, Pelikan has rightly warned against –and duly avoided –“an anachronistic reading of the history of doctrine” that assimilates earlier stages of development to later dogmatic definitions, on the assumption that “what eventually came to be confessed must have been believed, if not taught; that it must have been, as Cardinal Newman said, really held everywhere from the beginning'” (1:8). http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles6/LotzPelikan.php
“The “must,” in this case, is neither logical (causally necessary) nor empirical (historical), but patently theological (dogmatic). Consider also the familiar claim that a given dogma simply rendered “explicit” what was “implicit” in earlier teaching and/or belief: this reading of history is anachronistic if there is no convincing evidence for precisely such a development.” http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles6/LotzPelikan.php
For a discussion on “Development of Dogmas” from the EO patristic understanding: http://www.orthodoxphotos.com/readings/dogmas/question.shtml
And this may be helpful: http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books/english/orthodox_church_s_bulgakov.htm
Dr Pelikan often quoted a line from Goethe’s “Faust,” which says, “What you have as heritage take now as task, and thus you will make it your own.” He had “likened his path to Orthodoxy to that of a pilot who kept circling the airport, looking for a way to land.”
When he joined the Orthodox Church Pelikan wrote to his former ELCA congregation, Bethesda Lutheran in New Haven, that the move was a “logical culmination of a development in my mind and spirit that has been going on for decades.” http://www.thelutheran.org/article/article.cfm?article_id=5980
Pelikan remarked that while some might have been shocked by his act, few who knew him well could have been surprised. As he put it, “Any airplane that circled the airport for that long before landing would have run out of gas!”
So, dear Prodigal Son, go reprimand yourself for not doing your homework on this great American and Christian, first in life as a Lutheran and then later an Orthodox. His books are treasures, btw.
Memory eternal, Dr. Pelikan.
IC XC
NI KE
With faith there is love
With love there is peace
With peace there is blessing
With blessing there is God
With God there is no need
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Deep peace of the flowing air to you
Deep peace of the running wave to you
Deep peace of the quiet earth to you
Deep peace of the Prince of Peace be upon you
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(Romans 12:18)
(My last post should have been addressed to Lynda… I forgot that part. Oops!)
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Dear KathJuliane,
You never cease to flabbergast me! God love you!
So Dr. Pelikan became an Orthodox in his later years! What a amazing, touching story! What are the odds?
I consider myself so lucky not to have been indoctrinated in my youth… it’s hard enough to come to the truth as it is.
It always inspires me when I hear stories of people who came from a protestant background (evangelicals especially) who somehow find their way out of it. You just KNOW that God was working overtime to bring them home!
Glory to Him!
There are plenty of like stories from the folks @ Ancient Faith Radio: Fr. James Early, Dn. Michael Hyatt… even the CEO himself John Maddex used to be a baptist if I’m not mistaken.
It’s still harder for them than it was for me though, I think… they have so much to UN-learn. I count my blessings each day now, and thank God that somehow – I too may find my way home – God willing.
And allow me to thank you as well KJ, from the very bottom of my heart for helping me on my way with the virtual library in your head!
And thanks for the links! Keep ’em comin’!
Much love,
Joshua
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NIKA!
I am not your ‘dear sister in Christ’, KathJuliane. This fatuous statement is insulting. Period.
Anyone who hates the Roman Catholic Church as do the schismatics is no ‘dear sister or brother’ of mine.
I shake the dust off my keyboard as a witness against you.
Dr Pelikan’s works of Lutheran scholarship are in the parish libraries of most traditional Roman Cathoic Churches. As a Lutheran, he devoutly believed in the objective to restore the ‘pristine’ apostolic church of the first century. He thought the Church ‘went off the rails’ after the 2nd or 3rd centuries.
As a Lutheran scholar he was concerned to demonstrate that the Petrine primacy and jurisdiction were clearly present in the early centuries of the Church.
As a Lutheran, he did succeed in demonstrating this.
That he opted for the Orthodox schism at some point in his career is irrelevant to his demonstration. I have quoted him here precisely because as a protestant he demonstrated this thoroughly.
Even the Protestants (as Dr Pelikan then was) can demonstrate that the claims made for the Petrine Office by apostles, bishops ordained by apostles, by doctors, saints, popes and the ecumenical council of Chalcedon were present in the Church in the first 5 centuries. These were no ‘late’ developments.
The scholarship of the Reformation has always thought that to restore the Church and get rid of the Petrine claims one would have to go back to the apostles themselves because even the bishops they ordained spoke of the Successors of St Peter in Rome.
So the Petrine Office is either of apostolic origin and this was made clear by later developments and formalized at Chalcedon – as the Roman Catholic Church holds. Or the Protestants are correct in saying all the ecclesiology after the apostles is in error in terms of these claims and was restored at the Reformation.
As a Lutheran scholar, Dr Pelikan was concerned to demonstrate the latter and by way of basis, he did such a thorough job of establishing the Petrine claims as the doctrines of saints, doctors and an ecumenical council in the early centuries of the Church that his scholarship is read and appreciated by traditional Roman Catholics.
God is not mocked by schismatics who despise the holy faith, Prodigal Son. Airpeace to you too.
Lynda,
It is amazing to see you get even more defiant and heretical, when at the same time, all your arguments have been destroyed and demolished down to ashes. That’s the one characteristic of one who is not driven by humbleness and God, but rather personal will.
Your motto, should be, “Thy Will be Done” and not “Do as thou wilt”, which is what you have demonstrated to follow with specific statements.
I suppose, you also think of Br. Nathanael to be wrong is his choice of Orthodoxy and not your Roman belief? In that case, what on earth are you doing on this site anyway?
That’s a rhetorical question, because since you are here, of course you can see the light coming out of Br. Nathanael’s crusade for the truth. You should know that his actions are fueled and supported (more than you will ever know) by his Orthodox fellows.
What can I say, may God one day open your eyes. What is required now is a humble approach. Perhaps, you should take on the pagan Socrates motto, which was:
“I only know that I know nothing.”
That you know nothing, dear Lynda, is obviously the status at which all of us reside, and your misled sureness, can only be corrected by pure humbleness.
It is obvious, that no amount of proof, historical fact or anything else, will ever convince you, because you have already decided and in complete absence of evidence.
You should know, that you are the heretic, that your untimely participation in the holy sacraments, supported and fueled by your pride, will be your undoing in the next life. You have no access to Grace, nor to Jesus Christ’s Body and Blood, which as COMMANDED specifically and clearly is something you should aspire to with BURNING DESIRE.
Yet, you seem to be content with belonging to nothing but a personal heretical view, which, dear Lynda, in not only depriving you of the SOURCE of TRUTH but it is also NOT the way to salvation.
You have been warned, explained, presented with facts, logic, history and common sense. You have refused to answer several arguments, and my guess is that you ignore them willingly. It is up to you now to see the truth.
Your complete and total ignorance of the immense richness and spirituality of the OC, not only keeps you lost, but also inflates your own pride.
You really have no idea what you are missing…
It is tragic, but there we are. Another victim of the seriously misled religious community that calls it self the “Roman Catholic Church”.
You are committing BOTH intellectual and spiritual suicide, Lynda, and you don’t even know it. And you know what happens to people who commit suicide? They are sealing their own fate.
Stav
Dear Stav,
You wrote:
“You should know, that you are the heretic, that your untimely participation in the holy sacraments, supported and fueled by your pride, will be your undoing in the next life. ”
You are JUDGING Lynda in a way that is forbidden to us Christians by no less than Jesus himself:
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.” (Matt. 7, 1-5)
Do you OWN the truth, Stav? Or are you also human, and prone to all sort of errors too? You ACCUSE Lynda of not being humble, yet reading your message I get the impression that you are not humble either.
Once again: it it fruitless to discuss in this way. Neither Catholics will turn Orthodox nor the other way around.
We are all sincere followers of Jesus Christ, the grace of God will lead us, Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants, to His divine presence.
Dear Norseman,
First off, if I sounded harsh, I am sorry. But this does not change the core message I am giving, nor the apparently proud or insulting character that it may naturally cause an impression of. But it is not that. It really is not.
It may be making you uncomfortable or insulted, but here it is, I cannot stop from pointing out the facts simply because you don’t like hearing it. If that’s the way you think, then tell Br. Nathanael to stop revealing and “judging” the Jews “because” it may seem to be proud and insulting.
The thing is, you don’t really get it either. I am not judging Lynda as a person. I am judging her beliefs, which are heretical. There is no question about this. Thus, that makes her a heretic.
Jesus, did indeed call us not to judge each other. But you miss the point. That commandment was not to stop all judging of all situations. That is a fallacy and your argument is one used frequently to justify non-criticism of even the worst transgressions and support todays political correctness.
Look at what Jesus Christ told the scribes and Pharisees, was He not judging when He told them:
Matt 23:25-26 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.
You may ask your self, what kind of example was He giving us? The answer dear Norseman, is that the example, is one of correct discernment. One must judge heresies and incorrect practices and not attack the person. Now, if this feels like this, then that’s your problem.
I am sure the scribes and Pharisees felt insulted and attacked. Yet that was not what Jesus was doing, and it is not my intention either. It is to clearly point out the problem in your religious community, which is so inappropriately called a “Church”.
Understand, that the Pope cut himself and his flock from the Church, when he proposed a worldly and entirely nonspiritual concept. Look at your “church” today, with its banks, its armies, its secret service, its political correctness and complicity, can you not see how this initial worldly spirit has remained with it, even to today?
You ask me if I own the truth. No, I don’t own the truth. The truth is in the pudding. Can you prove what you claim? No? then you are wrong. Can I prove my claims? Yes? Then in that particular instance I hold the truth. And vice versa (if you can support your claims).
The truth dear Norseman, is out there for you to find. I am merely pointing to that fact. What you and Lynda and people like you do, is to ignore this fact, yet at the same time, present your beliefs as true. What makes you and Lynda then, present your claims as true?
In that case, I could ask you the same question, i.e.: Do YOU own the truth? But I am not going to do that. I think that that kind of question is useless. The reason why I am not going to do this, is because that particular question, undermines the truth. That particular question dear Norseman, is the first step towards ecumenism, which states that all religions (in your case as you claim, all denominations) hold equal truths. And that, is a severe fallacy. Let me explain:
You are saying:
“We are all sincere followers of Jesus Christ, the grace of God will lead us, Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants, to His divine presence.”
What in fact you are saying then here, is that for example:
1) The Orthodox who partake of BOTH the Most Holy Blood of Christ AND His Most Holy Body;
2) The “Catholics” who partake (as laymen) ONLY the Body (if it can even be called that)
AND
3) Some protestants, who partake of NONE.
While of course anyone can be a sincere follower of Christ in the general sense, the question still stands: Are all of the above, equal in terms of faith and doctrine? No they are NOT. These 3 positions above, CANNOT be reconciled, and as a matter of fact, ONLY one of them, can be the correct one. Do you disagree?
Thus, if you do call them equal in terms of doctrine, then you are actually taking a stance that cannot be supported logically, or in terms of faith.
In this case then, you are reducing the truth down to mere remnants of its full potential, and thereby you are able to equalize everybody’s faith and pretend that there are no irreconcilable differences. And the example above is just the tip of the iceberg. What about the severe differences in the various understanding of Jesus Himself?
For example, how do you reconcile one that believes that the Holy Spirit (and thus the grace of which you speak of) derives from both the Father and the Son, and one that believes that the Holy Spirit derives from the Father Only?
And more importantly then, WHO is this Christ that OCs, RCCs and Protestants believe in? Is it the even same concept? And please do not tell me that what doctrine says does not matter because God does not change anyway. That attitude may lead you to call the Muslim god or the pagan god as equal to the Christian God, simply because they claim He is the creator. But that is NOT right is it?
Christianity, correctly expressed and thus correctly practicing Christians STRUGGLE to know Jesus Christ, and thus, once this is achieved, your answer is, YES I HOLD THE TRUTH.
However, I am not going to claim this yet for my self, as I am still struggling as the sinner that I am. Regardless, however, if you take the time to do a side by side comparison of the major denominations, you will see where facts point you to. It will then be obvious to you which Christians hold and preserve the Truth. And let me tell you, it is not the Romans or their derivatives, the Protestants. You must look back, before the heretical Popes of after the Schism.
So where does the leave us? It leaves us to still be able to determine the truth and full and complete and correct doctrine by searching for it, within the Church’s tradition. And that is the only thing you can do. If you ignore this suggestion, to go out and look it up for your self, then it is your loss.
As I said before, I am merely pointing out to the fact that the truth is out there. If you see this as some kind of arrogant crusade, you are missing the point.
So while you are happy defending your fellow “Catholic” Lynda, when she called all our hierarchy without exception to be essentially in league with Satan, please be aware, that that particular statement, is much worse than my claim that you and Lynda are in fact heretics. And that as heretics, you are outside of God’s full grace. There is no way around this. And you should also be aware that when you, Lynda are completely inexplicably are reaffirming your doctrinally deteriorated faith, you are as I put it before, committing both intellectual and spiritual suicide.
I have yet to hear any seriously supportive arguments, facts or anything else that supports the fixation on the “catholic” religious community. And just to be clear, Lynda’s Chalcedonian argument is irrelevant, and even if it were, it still does not support the numerous heresies that were introduced RIGHT FROM THE START.
Stav
Dear Stav,
Thank you for your lengthy and thorough response.
We will have to “agree to disagree”.
Anyway: I think that BOTH your statement about Lynda’s “pride” AND her exaggerated remarks about your Orthodox hierarchy are WRONG.
Stav: note that the example you use about judgements is highly inapropriate. Or you try to compare yourself to JESUS? Sure, He judged the Pharisees, but He is GOD!! He will judge the entire world, too! We, mortals and sinners cannot judge our brothers and sisters. And I do think that we Christians are brothers and sisters.
I am well aware of the Ecumenism pitfall. I do not intend to resort to “Nostra Aetate”-type of errors (“we will all be saved in the end”). However, I do think that a SINCERE Christian, whether he/she is Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant, can be saved regardless to which of these denominations he/she belongs.
By sincere Christian I mean someone who believes that Jesus Christ is God’s Son Incarnate, and believes in the Holy Trinity. “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6).
In my eyes you discuss the details and not the core of the issue. Will God damn you to Hell if you only partake of His body and not His blood, while being a devout Christian? Or if your priests are shaven? I don’t think so.
Of course, Anti-Christian religions like Islam and -especially- Judaism, as well as demonstrably anti-christian sects (e.g. Jehova’s Witnesses) are a “highway to hell”, for they know Christ and reject Him (therefore “anti-Christian”).
At the end of the day it boils down to this: we are at WAR against the agents of Satan, surrounded by his hordes. Will we start arguing about who is the best soldier, or WILL WE FIGHT AS ONE UNIT against our enemies? Let us unite our forces, knowing that some of us belong to the 1st, some to the 2nd or 3rd platoon, but still are faithful soldiers of His army on Earth.
Let the Grace of God sort everything else out.
Your brother in Christ,
Norseman
Norseman, Stav,
Hi guys… Hope you are well.
Allow me if you will to remind you of this:
“I (Paul) wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people.
Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.
But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother (Christian), who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner – not even to eat with such a person.
For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside (the Church)? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore ‘put away from yourselves the evil person.’
Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints?
** Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest problems? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?”
I Corinthians – chapters 5 & 6
Also see Revelation 20:4…
Dear Norseman,
The matter of counteracting heresy, is not a matter of judging a person. It is a matter of upholding the truth.
Again, while you say that you are aware of ecumenism, you equalize all Christian denominations and this time, you go even as as to say that all offer salvation. You are wrong about that. Forget for a moment the differences between the OC and the RCC. What about the more marginal denominations, such as the Mormons or the demonized Evangelicals? Or, what about the completely Zionist controlled varieties of Christian Zionism? Can these people, with their completely deteriorated views, still look forward to salvation?
The answer is no. The real question is however, where do you draw the line? At what point of heresy do you say, this group goes too far and this group is OK?
We, at the OC, draw the line at a very clear position. We say that whom ever dilutes and changes the faith that has been passed down to us via the Holy Tradition, is already outside of the Original Church and as such they are heretics to us. This includes all forms of Roman “Catholicism”. The reason for this is exactly as I mentioned above.
The RCC has diverted in several key points from the original faith. Thus, it is automatically as a religious community, outside of the true Church. Examples of this, are not the more outward differences such as the shaving or not of priests (which however goes against tradition) or the language (which is no problem anyway) as you point out.
Real examples of true and in depth diversion from the original faith, are the doctrinal issues, which in turn will eventually cause also outward differences, but more importantly, will cause deep and groundbreaking changes in theology, Christology, matters of faith and the purity and perfection of proper worship.
For example, the Popes, have introduced absurd ideas into the faith, that in most cases are directly against Scripture and logic itself. They have demolished huge parts of previously commonly accepted theology, by introducing these things. Such things are the belief in a Immaculate Conception. The Filioque, which diminishes the state of the Holy Spirit in theology.
The introduction of the infallibility of the Pope, even though there are countless examples of completely fallible ex cathedra statements. The primacy of the Pope. The non giving of the Blood to the lay men, even though it is completely and clearly commanded by Christ Himself.
The absurd concepts of purgatory. The diminishing off the importance of asceticism by eliminating it’s most important aspects. The unspeakable acts, perpetrated EVEN TODAY by the Pope supported Uniate “church”, which is simply inexcusable. The transformation of the Mother of God to a demi-goddess, which you will claim is a better and more favorable characterization of Her but in fact is wrong doctrinally and thus diminishes the status of the Trinity. And so on. All of these teachings are foreign to the early Church, of which the continuation is the OC.
The most probable response to all of these and more, from you or Lynda, will be to remain silent and reaffirm your baseless view of the Roman Catholic community as the “church”. That, dear Norseman, is NOT proof. And if, combined with some politically correct sounding admonishing from your part, is also NO valid support for the acts I described above.
Have you ever wondered, why, Orthodox call them selves Orthodox, and Catholics, call themselves Catholics? The reason is simple, Orthodox are focusing on correct worship, while Catholics are focusing on global domination (i.e. a form of Catholicism).
And have you ever wondered WHY, it was so many things that the Catholics changed since their beginning in around year 1100? And have you ever wondered, WHY the Coptic and Oriental churches have so much more in common (down to minute details) with the Orthodox Church, even though the two churches have been separated with each other for centuries? It is because they both stem from the same Early Church.
And likewise, why then, is it that the RCC has no resemblance anymore with these two, if it is as you claim, the true, original Church? The reason, is simply that the RCC has changed dramatically, both outwardly and inwardly since its beginning. Why would that not give rise to obvious questions for you, is beyond my understanding.
Thus, as you can see, your comments about judging do not apply, this is not a contest of impressions. At least from my point, my goal is the presentation of the Truth, as much as my ability allows. If you do not like it, that’s fine, but I will disagree with you that it is judgmental.
I am NOT comparing myself with Christ by saying what I did above, I am merely giving you the context withing which I act. If you are so much against and so unconditionally general “judging” then you must also cease from “judging” the Jew World Order. But you know intuitively, that it’s not really judging is it? There are larger things at stake here, and you are mainly concerned with the institution of the Jew World Order.
In the same way, I see Catholicism and Protestantism and a disfigurement of the Original faith and many souls have been and will be affected by this. Thus this is also akin to my example above, in that there are much larger things at stake here. Thus, my actions are taken under this context and none other.
If you still pretend to not understand this, then you have to deal with this by yourself. It is not something that I can help you with. It is common to resort to outlandish claims or clearly wrong pretexts when heterodox find themselves in a position where they cannot defend their ideas and this is clearly a case off this here.
So, while you are busy judging me, for “judging”, it would be better for you to look things up, as see really who is the heretic and why. This way you would actually help the situation.
Stav
Dear Stav,
Once again thank you for clearly exposing your views.
Please note that some (not all) of the points you criticize about the RCC are late developments. Especially the exaggeration regarding the Holy Virgin Mary is manifest to any impartial person, even those like myself, who are within the Catholic Church. In some churches, the figure of Mary takes the central position at the altar, and the Cross is clearly subordinated.
As I wrote in my previous post, it is clear that MANY so-called Christian “churches”, such as the Jehova’s Witnesses, Mormons and countless others DO NOT LEAD TO SALVATION. Essentially they are evil pitfalls to lead the souls to perdition. However, I don’t think that this is the case of the Roman Catholic or Orthodox churches, maybe also the Lutheran Church. Even if there are deviations from the “pristine” Church (as discussed in this forum ad nauseum), the “core beliefs” are still held by these denominations.
Judging, as forbidden by our Lord, is for instance saying: “you are such a bad person that you will go to hell”. This is what he warns us against, because only God can decide. He is the ultimate Judge. Even the worst sinner may repent and still be saved. Or maybe he does evil for the good and edification of the faithful. Yes, God acts in mysterious ways…
Of course we can -we must- all the time use our intellect to separate good from evil (as instructed by the Apostle Paul in the reference accurately provided by Prodigal Son). But note that this is very different to CONDEMN someone.
If we continue to calmly discuss our differences, and how they came to be, it will be edifying both for us and the readers of RZN.
Your brother in Christ,
Norseman
According to the family tree on this site, Sarah Palin is clearly ‘Jewish’ herself – even if she does PRETEND to be a Christian.
http://incogman.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/sarah-palin-jew-puppet-for-the-tea-party/
Hi Norseman,
I agree that we should remain calm, and I am sorry if I did sound harsh. I still disagree that pointing out heresies, is judging as stated in the passages that you mention. If it were not so, we would have also not been called to “judge” the heresies of Mormonism or the Zionists, for whom we clearly agree, that if they stay at their current beliefs, there is no salvation, and thus will go to hell.
Strictly speaking, when you yourself also say that the Mormons or the Jehovah’s Witnesses for example, do not lead to salvation (to which I agree), you are also implying of course that they are going to Hell. Because no salvation, means Hell.
Thus, as per your definition of judging, it is actually very difficult to not do that. For example, simply reciting a relevant passage to a person, may imply in a very direct way, that they are going to Hell, if they do not change. It is clear then, that your definition of judging, needs more work.
Let me try to present my position again, in a slightly different manner:
You are right, that some of the things I mentioned about the RCC are relatively new developments, while of course some are not. But that is exactly the nature of heresy, it tends to multiply over time, and become more and more inflated, replacing the parts of the original doctrine.
This is why, we in the Orthodox Church, we tend to cut off and deal with the smallest of heresies right at the onset, because we know both from experience and reasoning, that even the smallest change (like for example the little work que in the filioque), can have dramatic changes over time.
In this regard, theology, is much like mathematics, where a seemingly small change, like turning a + sign into a – sign, can of course as we all know, completely change the outcome of an equation. And because, doctrine is highly logical in it’s way of development, it is also as important to not change even one iota, in order then, to preserve it’s original meaning and completeness.
So, while you may object to the more visible and outlandish doctrines of the RCC now, you must also know, that these are the result of subtler and more difficult to see doctrinal errors, that were let to grow into a multitude of errors of bigger proportions. And this is why, according to the OC, when it comes to details of the faith, one must be especially vigilant, to observe and root out errors. So, in that respect, I disagree with you, for the above reasons, that paying attention to detail, is of no consequence to salvation.
Unfortunately, we are human. And as humans, we are fallible. It is dangerous, to simplify the faith and be concerned with the details. If we were as pure as Christ, we would be able to walk around the earth without even a Bible and still know what is right. But, the truth with us, is not so, we are prone to error, to miss direction and then there is sin to speak of, which completely illogically can make us forget about God altogether. Thus, again details matter, because they are the ones to keep us in line and correct.
Protestants, are big proponents of simplicity. They generally disregard all theology and practically everything other than the Bible. Even of the way they are doing this, may be questionable. But the biggest problem with them, is that what they considered to be details, such as the importance of His Mother as an intercessor, they have now lost and cannot take advantage of. And at the same time, they are busy trying to rediscover these details, which have already been there for them, in order to solve problems in their faith.
I agree that no human being can limit where the Grace of God goes. We cannot control God. But I suppose, that is a whole different matter. The idea here is not to present limitations of God, but rather the limitations of man. Thus, I am speaking for the body of the Church, when it comes to heresy, and not the Head, which is Christ.
We must keep the body clean and we must take care that it is not defiled in any way. The same goes for the body of the Church. So, when an iota is changed, there are control mechanisms that will make this known. That is not judgment, but you can view it as “maintenance” of the body of the Church, in terms of doctrinal integrity.
As I see it, pointing out heretical views is not judging in the context of the passages you mention, but rather the expression of our belief as opposed to theirs. And the pointing out, of why heresy is actually heresy.
One very important, perhaps the most important, concept in the Orthodox Church, is the concept of humbleness and the killing of one’s will. Thus, judging your fellow man (heretic or not) in a personal level, is not acceptable. We must and are called to view ourselves as the worst of all, as per the example of St. Paul.
However, one must and can, judge heretical points of view, because they are a distortion of the truth. Again, St. Paul, who reached the heavens even when he was alive, had no problem pointing out the wrong doings in terms of the faith and/or to groups of people of his time. Ultimately, any distortion of the Truth, is a distortion of Christ Himself, and we must defend Him. Thus, the act of defending the truth is different to judging out of egotistic pride.
In Christ our Lord,
Stav
Dear Stav,
I agree with most of what you wrote.
Please note that even if Mormonism (or other false religions for that matter) does not lead to salvation, this doesn’t mean that EVERY Mormon will go to hell.
Someone can belong to a certain false religion in good will, but still be saved by a pure heart and good deeds. There are many who belong to a certain religion because they were born in that community.
I will even go further: there are people that are not religious, but still will be saved. Conversely, many who are zealots of even the TRUE religion of Christ will lose their eternal souls because deep inside they are full of evil.
This is just to reaffirm that fighting against heresies is NOT JUDGING, as long as we don’t generalize (“all Mormons will go to hell”) or use it to DAMN a particular person. What we say is: this way will not lead you to Heaven. We don’t say: because you are a Jehovah’s Witness you will end up in hell. That is not our call.
What’s more: as Christians we are OBLIGED by the Lord to fight and expose heresies. And this is the main reason why we fight Zionism, which is inherently anti-christian.
By the way: a massive attack on the Catholic Church is underway in Europe. Almost simultaneously the media are now informing of “sex scandals”, “violence” and similar offenses from different cities of Germany, Italy and even from the Vatican. Talk shows are being shown with people mocking the Catholic Church and Christianity altogether all across Europe.
THE GREAT PERSECUTION IS ABOUT TO BEGIN.
THIS WAS PROPHESIED BY ST MALACHY 900 YEARS AGO!.
“In persecutione extrema”
http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp
Does Palin Support McCain’s bill—Indefinite Detention of Citizens On Mere Suspicion?
On March 4, 2010, Sen. John McCain introduced S.3081, The “Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010.”
Sen. McCain’s S.3081 would eliminate several Constitutional protections allowing Government to arbitrarily pick up Americans on mere suspicion—with no probable cause.
Your political opinions and statements made against U.S. Government could be used by Authorities to deem you a “hostile” “Enemy Belligerent” to cause your arrest and indefinite detention. S.3081 is so broadly written innocent anti-war protesters and Tea Party Groups might be arrested and detained just for attending demonstrations.
Considering how often Sarah Palin defends Free Speech, one can’t help wonder why Palin is helping McCain’s reelection to the U.S. Senate after he introduced possibly the most anti-Free Speech Bill in Modern U.S. History.
Perhaps Palin or her Tea Party supporters haven’t considered McCain’s legislation might be used by a corrupt government administration to crush them. Tea Parties might question Palin whether she supports Sen. McCain’s bill the “Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010.” (S.3081)
Under S.3081, an “individual” need only be Suspected by Government of “suspicious activity” or “supporting hostilities” to be dragged off and held indefinitely in Military Custody.
Government will have the power to detain and interrogate any individual without probable cause. Government need only allege an individual kept in detention, is an Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent suspected of; having engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners; or has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners.
How could one prove to Government they did not purposely do something? “Materially Supporting Hostilities” against the United States could include any person or group that spoke out or demonstrated disapproval against an agency of U.S. Government. It is foreseeable many Americans might go underground to Resist Government Tyranny. Definition for Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent: (Anyone Subject to a Military Commission)
At least under the Patriot Act, law enforcement generally needed probable cause to detain a person indefinitely.
Passage of S.3081 will permit government to use “mere suspicion” to curtail an individual’s Constitutional Protections against unlawful arrest, detention and interrogation without benefit of legal counsel and trial. According to S.3081 Government is not required to provide detained individuals U.S. Miranda Warnings or even an attorney.
S.3081 if passed will frighten Americans from speaking out. S.3081 is so broadly written, it appears any “individual” who writes on the Internet or verbally express an opinion against or an entity of U.S. Government or its coalition partners might be detained on the basis he or she is an “unprivileged enemy belligerent,” “supporting hostilities against U.S. Government.”
How might Americans respond should Government use this bill to take away their loved ones, family members and friends on mere suspicion? It is foreseeable McCain’s bill will drive lawful political activists underground, perhaps creating the domestic terrorists McCain said we needed to be protected from.
McCain’s bill mentions “non-violent acts” supporting terrorism in the U.S. and or emanating from America against a Coalition Partner.
Non-violent terrorist acts” are covered in the Patriot Act to prosecute Persons that support “coercion to influence a government or intimidation to affect a civilian population.”
However, U.S. activists and individuals under S.3081 would be much more vulnerable to prosecution, if (charged with suspicion) of “intentionally providing support to an Act of Terrorism,” for example American activists can’t control what other activists might do illegally — they network with domestically and overseas.
Under the Patriot Act, law enforcement generally needs probable cause to detain or prosecute someone. But under S.3081, law enforcement and the military can too easily use (hearsay or informants) to allege “suspicious activity” to detain an individual.
It is problematic under S.3081 that detained individuals in the U.S. not involved in terrorism or hostile activities, not given Miranda Warnings or allowed legal counsel will be prosecuted for ordinary crimes because of their alleged admissions while in military custody.
Notably, McCain’s S.3081 mandates (merging) Federal, State and Local Police and subsequently the U.S. Military to detain and hold Individuals in the U.S., even without probable cause.
Historically it is foreseeable under S.3081 that “erroneous informant information” could be used to detain innocent Individuals. Other countries have used lying informants to imprison; even execute political opposition.
Under S.3081 government may use an individual’s phone call and email information to allege without probable cause “suspicious or hostile activity” against the a U.S. civilian population or the United States to detain Americans.
(Make Your Own Determination If The Analysis Herein Is Correct) See McCain Senate bill S.3081 at:
assets.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/politics/ARM10090.pdf
FYI: below is enclosed a copy of “Hitler’s Discriminatory Decrees signed February 28, 1933.”
Although the Nazi Decrees are written differently than S.3081, the McCain bill could bring America to the same place crushing free speech and personal liberty.
Note how the Nazi Government in Section (1) and (4), similar to U.S. S.3081, suspend personal liberty— shutdown Free Speech to intimidate Citizens speaking out against Government:
See Section 1
“Sections 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice.
“Thus, restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press, on the right of assembly and the right of association, and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic, and telephonic communications, and warrants for house-searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
Similar to McCain’s S. 3081, but using different wording, the Nazi Government in Section (4) see below, suspended Constitutional rights, ordered the arrest of Citizens for any ACT that might incite or provoke disobedience against state authorities.
McCain’s S.3081 instead mentions detaining and prosecuting Individuals for “supporting hostilities” against U.S. Government. S.3081 is so broadly written any person or group attending a protest could be arrested without provable cause and detained if government charged the protest-supported hostilities.
See Section 4
Whoever provokes, or appeals for or incites to the disobedience of the orders given out by the supreme state authorities or the authorities subject to then for the execution of this decree, or the orders given by the Reich Government according to Section 2, is punishable—insofar as the deed, is not covered by the decree with more severe punishment and with imprisonment of not less that one month, or with a fine from 150 up to 15,000 Reichsmarks.
DECREE OF THE REICH PRESIDENT FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE PEOPLE AND STATE
Note: Based on translations by State Department, National Socialism, 1942 PP. 215-17, and Pollak, J.K., and Heneman, H.J., The Hitler Decrees, (1934), pp. 10-11.7
In virtue of Section 48 (2) of the German Constitution, the following is decreed as a defensive measure against Communist acts of Violence, endangering the state:
Section 1
Sections 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice.
Thus, restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press, on the right of assembly and the right of association, and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic, and telephonic communications, and warrants for house-searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.
Section 2
If in a state the measures necessary for the restoration of public security and order are not taken, the Reich Government may temporarily take over the powers of the highest state authority.
Section 4
Whoever provokes, or appeals for or incites to the disobedience of the orders given out by the supreme state authorities or the authorities subject to then for the execution of this decree, or the orders given by the Reich Government according to Section 2, is punishable—insofar as the deed, is not covered by the decree with more severe punishment and with imprisonment of not less that one month, or with a fine from 150 up to 15,000 Reichsmarks.
Who ever endangers human life by violating Section 1, is to be punished by sentence to a penitentiary, under mitigating circumstances with imprisonment of not less than six months and, when violation causes the death of a person, with death, under mitigating circumstances with a penitentiary sentence of not less that two years.
In addition the sentence may include confiscation of property.
Whoever provokes an inciter to or act contrary to public welfare is to be punished with a penitentiary sentence, under mitigating circumstances, with imprisonment of not less than three months.
Section 5
The crimes which under the Criminal Code are punishable with penitentiary for life are to be punished with death: i.e., in Sections 81 (high treason), 229 (poisoning), 306 (arson), 311 (explosion), 312 (floods), 315, paragraph 2 (damage to railroad properties, 324 (general poisoning).
Insofar as a more severe punishment has not been previously provided for, the following are punishable with death or with life imprisonment or with imprisonment not to exceed 15 years:
1. Anyone who undertakes to kill the Reich President or a member or a commissioner of the Reich Government or of a state government, or provokes to such a killing, or agrees to commit it, or accepts such an offer, or conspires with another for such a murder;
2. Anyone who under Section 115 (2) of the Criminal Code (serious rioting) or of Section 125 (2) of the Criminal Code (serious disturbance of the peace) commits the act with arms or cooperates consciously and intentionally with an armed person;
3. Anyone who commits a kidnapping under Section 239 of the Criminal with the intention of making use of the kidnapped person as a hostage in the political struggle.
Section 6
This decree enters in force on the day of its promulgation.
Reich President
Reich Chancellor
Reich Minister of the Interior
Reich Minister of Justice
Glad to read a blog that gives another point of view besides what we always get from the mainstream media.
Good job.
Pamela Geller is soon to speak at a Tea Party.
Says it all really.
The only form of government that ever worked was a monarchy.
Why to you think the Jews worked so hard to overthrow the Tsar?
The Tsar was bad news to Jews. A genuine Orthodox Christian who kept them from causing trouble among the faithful. The American Revolution was funded by a Jew named Haym Solomon.
We don’t need to “go back to our constitution.” We need to go back to the only gentile system that ever worked… Monarchy.
I thought Palin and Biden sounded a lot alike.
They both stink! Who would listen to such beast calling for war on a nation that has done nothing to us?
All in the name of an illegal state.
@All
Remember Sarah sees everything from her kitchen window.