Putin & The Jewish War On Iran
PUTIN & THE JEWISH WAR ON IRAN
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“IRAN HAS NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS,” Prime Minister Vladimir Putin told his fellow Russians during his annual Question-and-Answer session on December 3, 2009.
Only a few days before Putin’s nationwide address, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, with threats from Israel on Iran’s nuclear sites notwithstanding, announced plans to build 10 new uranium enrichment facilities.
Expanding on his announcement, Ahmadinejad defied the Zionist-controlled West by saying that his plans to build more uranium enrichment facilities were not a “bluff” and that sanctions against his country, “would not work.”
Putin, in his quest for a stronger alliance with Iran, has consistently opposed sanctions targeted against Iran’s nuclear program, warning the West that an attack on Iran would be “dangerous” and “unacceptable.”
In spite of the January 2010 conference of Jewish leaders to push Congress into further action against Iran regardless of provoking a global conflict, Vladimir Putin pledged on January 26, 2010, to “complete Iran’s Bushehr nuclear plant on time.”
On the heels of Putin’s pledge, a group of US Senators led by Zionist Jews Chuck Schumer of NY, Dianne Feinstein, who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, (why do Jews chair all the Committees?), and Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, signed a letter to Obama demanding “crippling sanctions” against Tehran “as early as this month.”
Former NY Senator and current US State Department head, Hillary Clinton, (she’s owned by the Jews), told Chinese leaders in Paris on January 29, 2010, that they risk “diplomatic isolation” unless they support US-led sanctions against Iran. (Hillary tried it on Russia three months ago and got a resounding “Nyet!” China will surely give Hillary a similar “Bu!”)
In seeking to build further ties with Iran, Putin affirmed last autumn that Russia would continue to develop bilateral and multilateral projects with its southern neighbor and welcomed Iran’s contribution to the Shanghai Cooperation Organization:
“Our relations with Iran are developing in many directions. Our strong political ties, growing trade, which has reached $3.5 billion, and the large number of prospective projects are strengthening Russian-Iranian ties. Iran’s participation in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization has bolstered these ties.” View Entire Story
One of these “multilateral” projects is the Iran-Turkmenistan Pipeline, inaugurated on January 6, 2010. The pipeline will link Russia, Iran and China through Central Asia’s oil rich Caspian region, redrawing Eurasia’s energy map.
In a clear sign of opposition to the Zionist West’s “unipolar” dictates, Iran is turning to Russia and China, not only as defenders of its nuclear energy expansion, but as builders of its economic influence in Eurasia. “Zionist Police Beware!”
‘JEWISH LOBBY CONTROLS OBAMA’
SEEKING A GLOBAL SHOWDOWN with Russia and China, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who is recognized and feared by Zionist Jews as Obama’s foreign policy adviser, is intent on bringing Iran back into the Western orbit. In Brzezinski’s world view, Iran could be a valuable US asset to be played against Russia and China.
Even with his protege at Defense, Robert Gates, and his reputation as a global strategist, Brzezinski has all but admitted that he simply is not strong enough to withstand the power the Jewish lobby wields over Obama’s decision-making in foreign affairs.
This has recently come to light in Brzezinski’s latest article for the Council of Foreign Relations, “From Hope To Audacity.”
Beginning his treatise with the premise that the US should not be at war with Islam, Brzezinski proceeds to take on the “Second Echelon” in Obama’s administration which includes Zionist Jews Dennis Ross, Special Adviser on Iran, Rahm Emanuel, Chief of Staff, and Zionist shill Hilary Clinton at State.
Opening himself in his article to further accusations of being an “Anti-Semite,” (Alan Dershowitz initiated the lie), Brzezinski challenges the Zionist status quo and adds insult to injury to his already stated position that Obama should negotiate with Hamas:
“It is not fashionable to say this, but much of the current hostility toward the US in the Middle East has been generated by the bloodshed and suffering produced by the prolonged Israeli-Arab conflict. Israel’s refusal to negotiate with the Palestinians in good faith compounds the problem.” View Entire Story Here.
Moving on in his essay to the “stalemate” in Obama’s policy regarding Iran’s nuclear ambitions, Brzezinski goes toe to toe with the Jewish “insiders” at the White House:
“Obama’s two special advisers, David Axelrod and Rahm Emanuel, participate in significant decision-making. Both of them sat in on the president’s critical September meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
As a result, Obama’s redefinition of US foreign policy is vulnerable to dilution by these upper-level officials who tend to yield to pressures from domestic interest groups.
This fosters a reluctance to plan for a firm follow-through on bold presidential initiatives should they encounter a foreign rebuff reinforced by powerful domestic lobbies. Netanyahu’s rejection of Obama’s demand that Israel halt the construction of settlements is a case in point.” View Entire Story Here.
In his concluding theme, “Domestic Impediments,” Brzezinski exposes the Jewish Lobby and their total control of Obama’s foreign policy decisions:
“Special interest lobbies have become overly influential in US politics. Thanks to their access to Congress, a variety of lobbies — some financially well endowed, some backed by foreign interests — have been promoting, to an unprecedented degree, legislative intervention in foreign-policy making.
Promoted by lobbies, Congress not only actively opposes foreign policy decisions but even imposes some on the president. The pending legislation on sanctions against Iran is but one example. Such congressional intervention makes it more difficult to ensure that US — not foreign — interests are the point of departure.” View Entire Story Here.
CRYSTALLIZING AN ANTI-WEST AGENDA, on May 12, 2009, Putin signed the Russian National Security Strategy, effective 2010 – 2020. The document reflects the sharp deterioration in relations between Russia and the West over the last decade.
Underlining Russia’s hostility toward NATO expansion and Russia’s claims to attain strategic parity with the US, upon approving the Strategy Paper, Putin embarked on an aggressive alliance with Jewry’s new number one enemy, Iran. (Who will be their next enemy?)
In July 2009, joint Russia-Iran military exercises in the oil-rich Caspian Sea, dubbed, “Regional Collaboration for a Secure and Clean Caspian,” signaled a new trend in Russia-Iran military cooperation. The maneuver, involving some 30 vessels, is seen by some analysts as a way for the two countries to join forces against the US, which pro-Iranian observers refer to as “the intrusive Western superpower.”
Following the new trend, although it has not yet been delivered, Putin knows that the US and its client state, Israel, don’t want their new air defense capability, the S-300 missile system, sold to the Iranians.
The contract between Russia and Iran, signed in 2005, is currently “under review” by Putin, in an obvious episode of political posturing. Russia’s official news agency, Ria Novosti, reported in November 2009, that “Russia will not freeze the contract as a concession to the United States.” Iran’s news agency, Press TV, affirmed that the sale “will take place” and that delays are due only to “technical” issues.
An agreement between GAZPROM and Armenia to build a refinery that would serve both Armenia’s needs as well as export to Iran, is about to be finalized. On the top of world Jewry’s list for the next level of sanctions against Iran is refined petroleum products. The joint effort between Putin and Armenia will nullify these sanctions.
Demonized by the West’s Jewish-occupied press, Vladimir Putin continues to be a thorn in Jewry’s side. Nevertheless, Putin displayed his resolve to dismantle their unipolar world when he called for a “time of enlightenment” at Davos last year. But the Zionist Jews who continue to maintain a “time of darkness,” keep on pushing for WW III…
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And Iran’s surprise for the west on Feb. 11th is the grand opening of a brand new nuclear power plant, energy power for Iran.
And these troublemaking Jews think that he is going to do something bad.
Well, thats what they want us to think.
Brother Nathanael, God bless you once again for this outstanding article!
Brzezinski is at the top of the Satanic Pyramid himself. If we read between the lines we can say that there are serious disagreements in the upper echelons of the international conspirators.
These differences in opinions, as how to achieve their EVIL, SATANIC goal of destruction are possible because the US, their WAR BEAST, is exhausted and no longer capable of fighting the wars they need to enslave the world. Were the US strong enough, we would surely see a reenactment of the war on Iraq, there would be no differences in opinion.
These are GOOD NEWS for us people!! A faint light appears at the end of the tunnel…
By the way, Iran has now tight commercial and military ties to Brazil, China, Russia and Venezuela, whioch includes three of the largest countries counting almost 2 billion inhabitants.
The only option left for the Zionists is a pre-emptive attack by the IDF. But they know only too well that the costs are far too high, especially if Iran gets the S-300 (in this event, they count with 50% losses in the event of an Israeli airstrike).
Should they opt for the nuclear option, they know that Russia can annhilate Israel with a single nuclear strike. And in the article we read that Putin is signalling that Iran is under Russia’s umbrella.
However, they still have one option left: the coming false-flag attack on American vessels in the Persian Gulf. This new Pearl Harbor may indeed bring the Americans to attack Iran, without putting Israel in danger.
To all Americans reading these lines: be on the guard, as our Lord Jesus tells us! You have been deceived into two world wars already, but you can defeat the Devil this time!
I pray God to help you American people to repel the Deceiver!
I’m glad Putin has a spine and will not submit to the imperialist, corrupt, racist, tyrannical demands of the Zionist global tyranny cabal.
Where do you begin? – Feinstein is an uber creep with her hubby’s investment bank defense parasite cronyism leaching on the American people from her Committees’ nepotistic decisions.
Then the Jew York Psy Opers/”Media” lying about Ahmadinejad’s speech and making the American people look like igmo’s to the rest of the World by telling lies on our behalf.
I’m an American and don’t support the Zionst elites latest war scam or another useless war either!
ZOG leave Iran (Russia, Venezuela) alone they are harming no one!
America would be much better if our leaders had spines like Ahmadinejad, Chavez, and Putin. These guys are standing up to the Zionists’ endless corruption.
Whenever, the ZOG media maligns somebody you’d better believe it’s because the individual (s) being smeared won’t roll over or sell out for their nepotistic, elitist, Khazar agenda.
Look at the oil pipelines mentioned in this article – their construction gives other Nations freedom from the Zionist imperialist cabal the USSA and the EU are oppressed under. Our leaders are traitorous cowards. Free trade is something the ZOG hates.
Putin is the MAN OF STEEL! He’s awesome. Putin won’t submit to ZOG – he’s my hero!
Iv’e met some Russian folks in my day- and they DO NOT believe in DEBT! (unlike Amerikans who let the little hook nosed hustlers prey mercilessly upon them via their fiat money usury) They save, stick to a Christian MALE-led family life (not Jew boy spawned feminazism), and DONT TRUST JEWS (unlike Amerikans)!
Russians are very street smart and hard to get over on. They don’t listen to the Jews’ lies like Amerikans ignorantly do. The Jews killed over 60 million Russians so hopefully as a people they’ve learned the Communist-Zionist way-SUCKS!
I hope Amerika can learn before it’s too late!
Americans need to wake up from the Amerikan slumber and boycott the Jewsmedia, Jewry Theatres, Israhell parasitic “Aid” (cronyism), and ZOG owned puppet politicians (VOTE THE SCUM OUT!).
PUTIN IS A REAL LEADER! AMERICA COULD USE ONE OF THOSE INSTEAD OF BANKSTER OWNED PUPPETS!
PUTIN RULES!
Putin has a spine unlike the ZOG owned whores we call “Leaders” in America.
The Russians have already experienced Communist Zionist occupation and know that’s an awful thing.
Amerika should learn from history and wake up.
As an American I don’t support:
ZOGS wars.
BS Media lies about other Nations and leaders (i.e., mischaracterizing Ahmadinejad).
Creeps like the Khazar nepotistic cabal in this article (vote them out if all they do is cut deals in Conference Rooms that look like a Jewish wedding on the American peoples backs all day).
That pipeline is awesome! We should learn from them and be successful and become energy independent (unlike the Khazar ran USSA and EU).
ZOG hates independence and freedom that’s why they have such hatred towards these states (Iran, Russia, Venezuela) that are saying NO! to the Khazar energy cabal.
The Russians see through the lying hustlers.
PUTIN IS NO PUSH OVER UNLIKE SOME COUNTRIES LEADERS.
Russians don’t:
Go into debt.
Advocate Khazar Feminazism.
Trust Jews (wonder why?).
Russians are street smart and hard to get over on. That’s why they don’t trust Jews at all. After the Soviet ZOG genocides of 60 million Russians and occupationalist regime-do you blame them?
PUTIN IS A REAL LEADER unlike the traitor ZOG sellouts in Amerika.
PUTIN IS THE MAN OF STEEL!
PUTIN RULES!
Kudos to Putin for not rolling over for the Zionists.
But I will never be convinced he’s on the side of history and God until he explicitly condemns the Stalinist and Jewish Bolshevik murder of millions of Christians, sets up commemoration museums documenting the premeditated Communist slaughter and starvation of millions of Russians, Ukrainians, and others unfortunate enough to have fallen under the yoke of Soviet tyranny.
And explicitly condemns the Judeofascist Zionists as heirs to the Judeofascist Bolshevik murderers until they agree to set their borders and incorporate a Constitution spelling out God-given human rights guarantees for all human beings under their governance.
A look at dates is in order.
Immediately the terrorist organization of the USSR was disbanded in 1991 the demons left it and fled to the USA.
Proof:
Consequently in that same year its (USA) worldwide terror campaign went up many notches beginning with the ilegal invasion of Iraq using 500,000 US troops that Bush’s “god” told him to deploy.
It continued with the military and economic destruction of Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, several African, Caribbean and South American countries [beforehand] and using artificial earthquakes and tornadoes, attacked Japan, Indonesia, India, Thailand, Haiti, Sri Lanka, and even their own with Hurricanes Katrina and Andrew.
Australia was not spared with the assassination of one Prime Minister (going back in the timeline) and the ousting of another. They have kept their finger in that pie ever since and even disarmed the entire nation with a false flag civilian massacre at Port Arthur in Tasmania.
Hiding behind the untoucheablness of Israel and sensing that with so much blood already on its hands it would be hard to conceal even with smoke and mirrors they went after Lebanon, Palestine/Gaza supplying all the fuel and weaponry at lightening speed and beginning a war of words, sanctions and physical intimidation against Iran, North Korea, Venezuela and even Russia, China and India, and (although I’m sure I’ve left out much) last but not least the USA’s own citizens.
Apocalypse is stating a fact eh?
Reality Check.
THE WORLD IS SICK OF YOU USA.
WHAT SEEMED LIKE EXTREME FANATICISM BY IRANIANS DENOUNCING THE USA AS THE GREAT SATAN, IN THE BRIGHT LIGHT OF DAY, IN THE SANE WORLD OF REASON AND NORMAL HUMAN RELATIONS, IT NOW BECOMES APPARENT THAT THOSE IRANIANS WERE SPOT ON, CONCISE AND TO THE POINT.
And what do its own citizens think of this?
Feeling their own powerlessness do they even resort to “the last refuge of the scoundrel” – prayer.
Um, no, that might be unpopular. they might be considered weird…better wait and see what everyone else is doing. Better still, let the Zionist media tell us what to do, think, say, and feel…easy street.
Ask the people who have lost their homes if they are on easy street: the one in 60 and growing children and their parents with autism; the 35 million on food stamps, the victims of Hurricane Andrew and Hurricane Katrina; the 1 in 2 black males who have or will spent time in jail and their pregnant girlfriends.
Better still, ask yourself where lies your future.
Then go down on your knees and ask God to protect you.
……………Yellowstone is rumbling.
Charlie you are so correct. They all fled here to the US. Uzbek Jews, Khazars, etc. They are waiting for the word to unleash on us. WILL YOU GIVE IN??
If many give in, millions will be martyred.
I will open up this secret. A friend of the family, retired Secret Service agent, informed us that Jew relatives related to the murderers of Tsar Nicholas and his family reside here in New York City area. Relatives of those involved in the murders of Tsar Nicholas’s extended family, uncles, aunts, cousins, etc., reside throughout the US.
And why did they “RUN” away and come here after the 1990’s. I think you can answer that on your own. I am an Orthodox convert myself. For over 16 years I have embraced the faith. With the grace of God I converted on my own. We do not force people to convert as most other religions. It comes naturally.
God help us on what is coming.
I am convinced that all the discreet entities (example – “the USA” ) and the sides and factions and good guys and bad guys will write and talk about are ALL part of the “the Plan” operated by “the Brotherhood of Darkness”.
The goal for all perceived factions, of course, is a one world government death and slavery system.
Capitalism and “free markets” and fiat money and all the isms are just tools to keeping the fake public dialog going.
We are being manipulated constantly by all manner of deception and fear mongering.
Jesus Christ is the answer. Our only Hope.
God bless us each and every one in the Name of the One Who said He is Truth.
Moscow Mayor: Satanic Gay Parades Will Be Prohibited
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01.02.2010 Source: Pravda.Ru
I commend Moscow Mayor Yury Luzhkov for calling gay parades “satanic” and for promising to continue prohibiting them.
The primary goal of homosexuals is to acquire a powerful psychological weapon to change society’s rejection of homosexual activity and lifestyle into gradual, even if reluctant, acceptance. Many who support homosexual acts tend to recklessly characterize those in society who disagree with them as homophobic – the term “homophobia” itself intended to denote a disorder. In this way they seek to impose their own sinful ways on society under the guise of tolerance.
Bible clearly and unequivocally condemns homosexual acts (Gen 1:27-28; Gen 2:24; Matt 19: 4-6; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:10; 1 Tim 1:10 etc.). Men and women with homosexual tendencies must certainly be accepted with respect, compassion and sensitivity. Nonetheless homosexual acts must be considered wrong and intrinsically disordered. They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
Apart from religion, there is also, no scientific evidence to confirm homosexual activity as a normal behavior. The so-called “gay gene” has never been found. The Laumann Report, published in 1994, is today universally recognized as definitive. In summary, its major findings are that homosexuality is not a stable trait and that it tends spontaneously to convert into heterosexuality as an individual gets older; that sexual identity is not fixed at adolescence but continues to change over the course of life and that there is no evidence for homosexuality being innate.
The Western media often portrays the homosexual lifestyle and relationships as happy, healthy, and stable. On the contrary there are very high rates of sexual promiscuity among the homosexual population with short duration of even ‘‘committed’’ relationships. Homosexuals also have very high rates of sexually transmitted infections such as HIV. Given the overwhelming evidence about homosexuality and it penchant for undermining the foundation of the family, same-sex couples should be given no legal rights. On the contrary it should be vigorously opposed.
Caesar Augustus, a pagan, sought to strengthen Roman society by outlawing adultery and sodomy and by encouraging traditional marriage and procreation. He understood that there is such a thing as public morality. Emperor Augustus saw this, but it was too late to overcome the sexual licence of the late Roman Republic. This was the real reason why it collapsed. I pray that Moscow and other cities do not end up suffering the same fate.
St. Paul tells us that the “aberration” of homosexuality is both the proof and the result of the exclusion of God from collective attention and social life. The Christian approach to modern-day homosexuality must distinguish between the respect due to persons and the necessary repudiation of any exalted ideology of homosexuality.
Dear Brother Nathanael and RZN Christians:
If you would consider that our separate lines of reasoning are both going in roughly the same direction, then perhaps it is logical to hypothesize the following:
The present destruction of the middle class in America appears to be an intentional ploy to inaugurate a full fledged fascist government in the wake of it. It seems only logical to suppose that Sarah Palin (the whore of babbling-on) will be figurehead for this government. It is also logical to speculate that fascism in America will be termed “Christian”.
The Christian Zionist movement “speaks with the voice of a lion (Britain)” because that is where the movement historically originated from, it is the Judeo-Masonic world state which it serves and through funding from the City of London (all tax free) has evangelized the world with its New Age Millennialism.
Resting on these assumptions, I feel that I must re-iterate the message that one should reasonably expect beforehand an attempt at the deceptive fulfillment of Revelations so that the Anti-Christ flesh ‘Messiah’ can appear to be Jesus Christ returned to rule his “Millennial Kingdom”, which following the reasoning employed thus far would actually be the “Thousand year Reich”.
Hence, I am not arguing to the negation of the prophesies themselves, but to the multitude of reasons to take caution that we are not deceived by false and staged fulfillment of them through advanced secret technology, particularly scalar/longitudinal wave weapons (including earthquake generation) and UFO type craft.
Just a heads up for any of you who may care about such things.
RBN is off the air and has been for a while now. There was some talk of a dos attack.
I think the problems started not long after RBN posted that video by that Israeli guy. The name of the film was “defamation” . Soon after this, the problems started. Hmmm, sounds to me like the Israeli “art students” are at it again….
Another master piece B.N.
As i write this post, Iran is surrounded from all sides by the American army. There is also over 90 battle ships just of her coast. I understand that most Americans do not want another war, but these monsters will inflame the lagging militaristic spirit of the Americans through the media.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/29/AR2010012903120.html There are so many articles where you can see the media lying to the sheeple
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=117640§ionid=351020104
The American war machine will attack Iran not Israel, Israel will stay NEUTRAL. You see once both sides are devasted and exhausted, the Jews will arbitrate (just like after WW1 and WW2), sending Control Commission into all wrecked countries. This war (WW3) will end for all time the struggle against the Gentiles. Once near total power over the Gentiles is achieved, dissimulation is an obsolute requirement for the advance of the dominion of Judaism.
By the way these wars have nothing to do with oil. I was reading a report by Cunningham-Craig. He was taken out by the way, because he knew to much, but he states “there is over $5 TRILLION worth of minerals and OIL which had been discovered in Palestine, here comes the kicker (grin) Prior to 1918. I almost fainted.
Thank you B.N. As a Me-Shumad (a convert to Christianity) just like Paul (Saul) you are considered one of the worst traitors to Judaism. I just pray that many more like you will come out of that anti-Christ cult.
Paul
The true Israel is not composed of any Nation or Race. It is composed of those who accept Jesus Christ
Great article, Br. N.
Having read Brzezinski’s memoirs and studying what I can of his actions, I don’t think he justly deserves all the criticism from the self-proclaimed “anti-NWO” crowd. He is definitely Machiavellian, anti-Russian (maybe less-so post-communism?), and firmly connected to the Eastern Establishment (Rockefellers, etc.), but to accuse him of complicity in 9/11 is misguided.
I really enjoyed your interview with E. Michael Jones, and think it makes more sense, as he does, to see the conflicts in Western civilization between Catholics (the descendants of recent immigrants), Protestants (the more firmly entrenched, eastern establishment), and Jews.
Sometimes protestants and Jews work together, as in libertarianism and neoconservatism. Sometimes Catholics and orthodox groups are co-opted, as with the Jesuits, Knights of Malta, and other fraternal orders.
Organized Jewry is a big problem, and should be fought as you do. Jews control media, banking and have a big hand in drugs, weapons and terrorism. But look at the Fortune 500. You have to scroll pretty far down the list to find any “Jewish” companies.
Putin’s war is not against Jews per se, but against European oligarchs, which include many Jews, but also many non-Jews, including the remnants of the Nazi coalition in England, Switzerland, France and Germany.
If you have not, I beg you and any readers to read the book Dope, Inc. (published by Lyndon LaRouche’s EIR).
This book clarifies in great historical and current detail “who runs the world,” and demystifies many of the religious and occult smokescreens that shroud our understanding.
At the end of the day, the “religious” reasons are what they are, but as Christ said, we fight against principalities.
The concern has to be shutting down usury, dope, lies and terrorism, not any particular ideology, however wicked. Not to take away from what you’re doing, but to add to it…
Once man gives over to false religions, he is no longer rational, because he originates no thought.
His life is controlled by whomever controls his religion. He is enslaved.
Another brilliant article that EVERY American MUST read in order to be INFORMED enough to save their FAMILIES AND THEIR NATION AND OUR FREEDOMS – but sadly are too busy WITH really IMPOORTANT MATTERS LIKE NFL games (you know – GAMES – those things that children do for diversions) and tailgate parties.
Yes – I’m ALSO beginning to feel that Putin is a REAL hero. Sadly this sick dying occupied Godless nation has not even ONE of our sons in leadership positions who is fit to stand in Putin’s SHADOW as a man of character.
What a FOOL I was to have vounteered to risk my life for putrid scum like the druggged out derelict -Klinton – the cowardly treasonous drunken sot Johnson – that ULTRA arrogant spoiled rich boy -alcoholic moron God mocking mass war criminal Bush and NOW we have Negro low life Marxist treasonous scum who can’t even prove his OWN CITIZENSHIP.
His greatest acomplishmnet has been to insure more innocent babies would die at his soulless evil black hand and heart. ALL of these cowardly criminal psychopaths sold us out as a nation to the demonic Godless Jews!
We have been betrayed by the best leadership money can buy!
‘Charlie’ – pretty well said it like it IS.
We are a dying nation of cowards and hypocrites – eaten up with greed and self-inflicted stupidity – racing to the trash heap of history. You FOOLS will get EXACTLY WHAT YOU DESERVE – and you WILL ‘reap the whirlwind’!.
My only compassion is for those few who have ‘kept the faith’ – ‘preserved your honor’- and shown courage to at least try to save us from ourselves. May God bless and protect those of you, of which I speak.
If we only had more brave selfless pure of heart sons like Brother Nathanael Kapner – we would still be a free people.
– Joe Cortina
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WWIII HOVERS OVER US LIKE A SWORD OF DAMACLES
“A secret meeting between the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Leon Panetta and Israeli officials has reportedly centered on Iran’s nuclear program.
In a secret flying visit to Israel on Thursday, the head of the CIA reportedly discussed Iran’s nuclear issue in a sit-down with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Defense Minister Ehud Barak and Mossad Chief Meir Dagan.
The trip, which was originally scheduled to take place in May, follows a recent wave of developments in the Middle East that strongly imply preparations for a possible new military conflict in the region.”
“Tensions between the U.S. and Iran rose Monday after the Obama Administration quietly increased the capability of land and sea-based missile defenses in several Gulf nations to protect American allies against a potential Iranian strike.”
Iran was quick to respond to these latest threats by the US and as we can read as reported by their Press TV News Service:
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says the nation will deliver a harsh blow to the “global arrogance” on this year’s anniversary of the Islamic Revolution. “The Islamic Revolution opened a window to liberty for the human race, which was trapped in the dead ends of materialism,” Ahmadinejad said during a cabinet meeting on Sunday.
“If the Islamic Revolution had not occurred, liberalism and Marxism would have crushed all human dignity in their power-seeking and money-grubbing claws. Nothing would have remained of human and spiritual principles,” he added.”
More ominously in these reports are their stating that China “will not stand idly by” and allow the CIA-Mossad attack on Iran succeed as without Iranian oil their entire economy could collapse.
The United States in knowing of China’s stance have launched its largest military exercise in the Pacific in cooperation with Thailand, Japan, Indonesia and Singapore with South Korea also joining in to counter any moves by the Chinese. This massive military exercises called “Cobra Gold” exercise is to run until February 11th, and which interestingly is the same date Ahmadinejad has said the Iranian Nation will deliver a harsh blow to “global arrogance”.
As the right-wing factions in the United States accelerate their moves towards total war and the complete militarization of America new reports from there are now stating that Obama is preparing to give the US Military total control over the Internet, and which shockingly echo’s the call made by the head of the main UN communications and technology agency for a “driver’s license” for all the World’s Internet users.
……. the American people continue to slumber in ignorance while being pacified by their propaganda media so as to keep them unaware and uninformed of not only what is happening now, but even to their own history they are not allowed to know.
Most important for them to understand, however, is that while they continue their long sleep, there are many like us, all around the World, continually shouting at them to awaken before all is lost.
To how successful this effort will be depends upon them awakening to the grand possibilities that lie before them should they seek peace instead of war.
But, and if history be our guide,……. so blatantly ignored their own past and continue to give up their liberty and rights so their corporate, banking and political elite classes can live like kings while the rest of their citizens are plunged into poverty ….
And from history we can read as written by the former Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev, who in his memoirs quoted President Kennedy’s brother, and US Attorney General, Robert Kennedy as saying:
“We are under pressure from our military to use force against Cuba. If the situation continues much longer, the President [Kennedy] is not sure that the military will not overthrow him and seize power.”
A Saint by the name of Kosmas Aitolos.
One of his prophecies: “When they come to forcefully take your rifles, give them what they ask but hide one rifle. That one rifle will save 1000 lives.”
I believe there are many patriotic and good Christians that will NOT sit back and take what is coming to them without a fight. Please pray everyone, and fight!
And one last comment.
To all of Russia and the other countries that support her. Please remember that there are many good people here in the U.S. who support you and do not support the policies/procedures of our current false administration. So remember us good people when the time comes. Please pray for us as we pray for you and your countrymen.
Our new motto at the VA hall weekly meeting: We support the Constitution of the United States and not the prostitution of the United States by the current administration.
May they self destruct for the good of our nation and our people.
Archangel Michael destroy thine enemies who are planning our destruction. Destroy their words, deeds, thoughts, plans and decisions through your intercessory prayers, AMEN.
Archangel Michael and associates are the only reason that we are still here.
Good call, Patrick.
Some awesome comments on here.
So true all the “isms” are a racket to distract the debate. Its all for the Banksters in London.
Please check out this excellent Youtube posting by Dr. Duke (who has been wrongly maligned-just for asking the Khazar controllers the wrong questions in public) breaking down the system of corruption and control:
http://www.youtube.com/user/drdduke#p/u/6/AHKGOcUyQ-M
We could start by placing a Cross on our lawns, balconies, and EVERYWHERE possible.
The power of the Cross will send a message of solidarity.
Next a revolution for Christianity and freedom would defeat the beast. Finally, we round them all up, and by all lawful means possible, fix em real good.
Can someone publish an entire list of committee chairs?
I’m trying to figure out the disproportionate ratio of Jewish chairs to US population.
Bravo Putin!
When he was first elected I was somewhat concerned as he was a former KGB.
However he has proven to have the best interests of Mother Russia in mind in not allowing to be bullied by the Zionists/Jews. He fights back against those who would enslave Russia again in the form of the Zionist/Jew NWO.
In the end we may find Russia as a safe haven against the NWO.
Too bad. As Ben Franklin once said,”We gave you a republic, if you can keep it.”
When the shooting starts, as soon it will, with Christians killing Muslims, and “blacks” killing “whites” and etc., every living male human being on this planet (the true body of Christ) has but one obligation in his lifetime … and should he fail in his obligation, his incompleted soul is going to suffer the long, long sleep that is coming unredeemed — that obligation may be to sneak out at night ALONE after all else fails, without even telling his wife, and … [the reader who knows what he has to do to stop this mass insanity can fill in the rest on his own].
The coming war will start because a Zionist Jew will snap his fingers and say, “Let there be war”. It will only stop when that same Zionist Jew feels his own perimeters weakening, his corners being chiseled and snippered off one little piece at a time — then as fast as the wars were begun, then they will suddenly end. Think small … think one at a time. Think like a human male who cares about his women and children.
The Iran thing is all about the oil pipeline to China which Brother Nathanael mentioned. The Jews own the banking system of China … they set it up. The banking system of “China” [who’s China?] was financed using US Treasury Notes, which were “purchased” by the owners of the Fed Reserve System, using our own cash. Their goal is to make China the military and economic hegemon of the 21st century.
Few internet writers put in the time and effort you obviously do Brother Nathanael.
Your articles are always so thorough and well presented that I often do a double take, to be honest as I get about halfway through and realise that funny looking guy in the robe and carrying a big cross did this.
I hope you take this comment in the spirit its intended because bottom line, you impress me sir.
I keep on hoping you’re right about Vladimir Putin, because he is more or less our last best hope.
@Al Whorwood
“Finally, we round them all up, and by all lawful means possible, fix em real good.”
Castration is legal, for animals.
Wonderful article B.N.
There is hope for those of us who dream of better times, for Russia is now led by a former KGB agent who understands the need for a new Soviet State. Putin has taken the frail democracy that semi-legitimately existed and has molded what the Russian people truly want, a power on the global stage. Who needs to feed citizens or protect nuclear missile bunkers when you can challenge the United States over having a missile shield?
The Soviet Union was the perfect enemy for the United States to stand against. As an economic system the Soviets believed they would truly win in the long run, therefore they would push militarily when it was advantageous. However, they could be deterred should the advantage not be highly in their favor.
In addition it cannot be discounted that the necessity of the state to undermine religious authority, may have also impacted this decision. When one believes either there is no afterlife, or the afterlife they will go to is a warm one, they will do what they can to postpone such dismal outlooks.
We were the morally righteous, altogether insensitive but meaning well Americans. We may have “interfered” in a few places but only to make sure that people could be treated as people. At least our heart was in the right place.
That is all that Putin is attempting to do; bring the world to a safer more stable place. The world was never more safe than when it was on the verge of Destruction, and that is why Putin is our greatest hope.
I think the Russian people have always seen through the Jews.
What interests me is how these ex-KGBs who are now building the new, post Soviet Russia supposedly broke the back of the Jewish Money Cartel and got out of debt. Or is this just another psy-op? Are they being fitted up for a special role as Hitler was when he got Germany out of its WW I reparations and to all appearances threw off the financial yoke of the Jewish ownership. It is now documented that the same Money Cartel that financed Hitler also financed the JudeoBolshevik Revolution.
The difference being – in Russia the Jews were The Party. In Hitler’s Germany their banks remained behind the scenes.
We know, or we should should know that that Jewish monopoly capital operationally based in the The City (with a Rockefeller branch office in New York) financed the Bolshevik Revolution and set up the Soviet. The international Communist Party is just a front for Jewry.
There is no way the pious Russian people were ever responsible for the Russian and Ukranian genocides. It is the JudeoBolshevism and its Communist Internationale that is responsible. And the Revolution in Russia was financed by Wall Street.
Dr Bella Dodd was the former Attorney General Designate of the Communist Party in the U.S.A. and the head of the C.P. in New York during W.W. II. The motto of the C.P. in during that time was “Communism is Twentieth Century Americanism”.
Dr Dodd gave voluminous testimony before the House of UnAmerican Activities in the 1950s. She testified that the C.P.U.S.A. took its orders directly from the Kremlin. She told J. Edgar Hoover’s 2IC Cleon Skousin in her testimony before the House that during WW II when communications were interrupted from Moscow, her orders were to go to any one of three wealthy capitalists living in New York’s Waldorf Towers and receive her instructions. She testified that Moscow would always later ratify these instructions. Asked to name them – she would not, even though she was no longer under Party discipline.
Had she done so, assuredly she would never have lived to write her book School of Darkness which is replete with the names of Jewish Communists and agents of the Party whose leaders and networks were prominent in every aspect of American life.
Dr Dodd’s special area of concern was the National Education Assoc. Her work maps it out from the Communist POV in terms of agents, spheres of influence, Communist agenda and its massive success in terms of getting that agenda into all curricula.
In terms of the Communist Platform, America is a Communist nation in the true Marxist sense.
In her awakening, Dr Dodd stated “I failed to understand that The Party was not out to reform the world, but was bent on making a revolution to control the world.”
They still are.
Simple thing to understand about the Iran nuclear program.
Iran is building the nuclear power station to base their currency on oil and electricity.
The US, of course, wants to maintain the dollar dominance. If Iran and Russia will do it, the dollar will collapse.
That’s what the fuss is all about. But for the average dork they put out a spectacle with terrorism and other nonsense.
Dear Lynda,
Just wanted to “FILL IN A MISSING NAME”…
“Rakovsky then revealed something that at the time was unknown to Gabriel and even to Stalin. He revealed that a higher order than that of Communism existed, whose orders would HAVE TO be obeyed. This bears out what Doctor Bella Dodd, head of the Communist Party in New York duing the war had said.
When she reported to Cleon Skousin, second in command of the FBI, she said that whenever she had any difficulty in getting instructions from Moscow because of the war, she was to go to any one of three wealthy capitalists in the Waldorf Towers. What amazed Doctor Dodd was that whenever these men gave instructions, Moscow always ratified them. When asked who the men were, Doctor Dodd refused to name them. But when pressed to say ultimately who ruled this higher order, she replied simply ‘SATAN’.
“In the course of this history making interview, Rakovsky made it clear that the key to the power of this higher order was MONEY. Rakovsky said, “MONEY IS POWER, THE ONLY POWER.'” – citing from on-line ref:
http://www.fatima.org/books/divimp/dipt2chap2.asp
– Fr. Joseph
Hi charlie,
It’s nice to agree for once, great posts.
Putin and his helping people is a true leader, and clearly has an agenda which is going to seriously disrupt the Zionist agendas. His movements are calculated, rest assured, there is a plan behind all of this.
Stav
I’m afraid I owe Obama an apology, ever since his “magical” apperance in national politics I have called him a Zionist sock puppet, was I ever wrong!
That semi-literate silver spoon fed half wit GWB was a puppet, this guy is a full fledged GODLESS ZIONIST CONVERT. To call him a mere puppet is to grossly underestimate him.
To see the zeal he exhibits to continue the slaughter in Iran and his total commitment to intensify the slaughter in Afganistan, its clear he has gone over to the dark side.
His support of the slaughter of the Palistinians and the willingness to line up our Navy Ships in a neat row to invite another USS Liberty style attack, all to get Iran into the mix and get this world conflict started.
Even Brezezinski [one of the architects of one world govt.] is trying to reign this Khazarist in!
No wonder the Jews proclaimed “one of our own has been elected”. Obama may not be the anti-christ, but he is one godless SOB.
Make no mistake the Jew World Order has their ducks in a row, they can see the growing unrest as the world is quickly realizing what they are up to. They will strike soon while they still control things.
Be prepared for lots of false flag junk like the undie bomber [rumors of Olympic false flag on the horizion]. They will then esclate into the final conflict.
PLEASE get prepared, grow and store your own food, get alternative medicines [collidal silver, MMS, herbs], get a gun and learn how to use it, start a neighborhood coalition with like minded
people, have a safe haven to go to.
I pray that Putin is on our side, although there are millions world wide who know the evils of the Jews, we need the might of a nation to lead this struggle, and we need the might of united Christianity to survive it.
Brother Nathanael is correct, this is going to blow soon. Let us pray.
Frm the standpoint of telling Americans news that we NEVER will get from our own biased news media, it is articles like this that tell us the ‘mind’ of the Russian/Eastern worldview.
Research like this is stellar. You really should have been a journalist! LOL
Keep up this informative and illuminating reportage.
Greetings in our Lord Jesus Christ, Chris Moore,
You wrote:
“But I will never be convinced he’s on the side of history and God until he explicitly condemns the Stalinist and Jewish Bolshevik murder of millions of Christians, sets up commemoration museums documenting the premeditated Communist slaughter and starvation of millions of Russians, Ukrainians, and others unfortunate enough to have fallen under the yoke of Soviet tyranny.”
Just because something isn’t done the “American Way” doesn’t mean something is not happening, only we expect it to happen in a few weeks, or at least before the remote control switches channels, and the fact that we tend to be “Sunday only” Christians, and then go about worldly business the rest of the week doesn’t help.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/27/world/europe/27archives.html?pagewanted=3&_r=1
“Last year, the Kremlin promoted a study guide for high school teachers that deems Stalin “one of the most successful leaders of the U.S.S.R.,” while describing his “cruel exploitation” of the population. Mr. Putin himself has acknowledged the losses under Stalin, but has said Russians should not be made to feel ashamed of them.
“We do have bleak chapters in our history; just look at events starting from 1937,” Mr. Putin said at a meeting where the study guide was presented. “And we should not forget these moments in our past.”
“But other countries have also known their bleak and terrible moments,” he said. “In any event, we have never used nuclear weapons against civilians, and we have never dumped chemicals on thousands of kilometers of land or dropped more bombs on a tiny country than were dropped during the entire Second World War, as was the case in Vietnam.”
In interviews, F.S.B. and other security officials said they had in fact declassified many documents. Asked about complaints from historians, Oleg K. Matveyev, a senior official at the F.S.B. archives in Moscow, said some people wanted to depict Soviet rule only negatively.
“To draw the line at 1991 and say, everything before was black, and now has come white, as is done in many countries and regions in the former republics of the Soviet Union, we have nothing like that here,” he said. “We are more careful about our past.”
~~~
The well-respected NY Times is definitely “U$$A conservative” in secular bias, has long been a part of the propaganda apparatus, like virtually all Press and Media has been since the 1947 National Security Act, but starts out the article with the headline “Nationalism of Putin’s Era Veils Sins of Stalin’s”. This is a big fat lie.
Death, death, dictator, ex-KGB, neo-Stalinism, death, new Soviet Union, more Evil Empire, death = PUTIN and FSB. The plain fact is, Russia has never had culturally and economically a classic Roman style sense of individualistic private property ownership and corporate industry, or what keeps being pushed as “democratic values.” Instead, collectives, villages and guilds were the norm, towns and cities were generally autonomous, government was an autocracy and daily community life was centered chiefly around the churches and the monasteries.
These catch-words used time and again when Russia is described. And now, Stalin the mass murderer and dictator, linked to the figure of Russia’s Prime Minister, Vladimir Putin. How? Because Vladimir Putin, and the current Medyedev administration are courageous enough to address these very pressing national issues in a mature way, both in terms of Russia itself, and within the larger Eurasian context.
True to form, asinine western media outlets on either side of the Atlantic still caught up in the Judeo-Zionist “Cold War Mentality”, EU-Intermarium, russophobic (especially the Marxist Brzezinski, see his “Grand Chessboard”), imperialistic, stereotypically report half of the story, and half-assedly.
In 2009, Vladimir Putin included Stalin in his address to the nation because it is a real issue, it is part of modern Russia coming to terms with itself as a multi-ethnico-cultural-religious society in the post-Soviet era in a country that is three times the size of the USA. In fact, he sometimes speaks in terms of “the Russias”, acknowledging the pre-1917 traditional Christian, Muslim, Jewish, and Buddhist religions, for example, somewhat like we would simply say “America”.
Since 1991, about 20 Orthodox priests have been assassinated, the most recent priest who had been zealously active for Christ among Muslims and Tartars, as well as pagans and atheists, who had received death threats from various quarters and was slain in his church by a male wearing a paper SURGICAL MASK. (Does that sound like a “jihadist?”) Not reported is the fact that the chief investigator of this homicide is a Russian Muslim with top-drawer credentials.
The Western press immediately accuses Muslims of doing this, and currently “someone” is also assassinating moderate Muslim clerics in the Central Asian states that are Russia’s “near abroad”, and a definite area of fundamentalist, reactionary religious unrest as well. Let us not forget, the ZOG EU-U$$A, Inc is a genuine enemy and real threat with their covert ops and proxy wars, and RZN family is in a very peculiar position, especially here in America – for we are under OCCUPATION.
It just doesn’t hurt much yet simply because the circulation has been cut off for so long, and maybe there is still time to throw off the yoke before amputation is required, but it won’t be fixed in a day, either. In the meantime, the pressure is being incrementally screwed down, and more people will wake up as their comfort level continues to decline. Like a limb gone numb, restored circulation sometimes hurts.
This process inevitably has to pass by analysing and digesting its history, facing the bad and the good. Russia is multi-cultural, even the average ethnic Russian Jews don’t have the “holocaust” mentality that is found in Europe and America, but see, in secular and even atheistic terms, their own history as that of heroic involvement in the Great Patriotic War, especially when Stalin was one of the Allied powers.
Let us not forget, there was a time when Stalin was “our” Stalin, and for various reasons, too, Hitler was “our” Hitler and we, now 2 or 3 American generations later, need to face up to that, too.
And RZN family is quite prepared to tell the Zionists and Jews where they can stick their “New Cold War” double-minded propaganda trickery.
Further confirmation today that what I have been saying all along is 100% accurate……
The Federal Reserve can make no more profit out of a collapsing American economy (which they deliberately collapsed and their parting gesture to themselves, $27 trillion, one half of the total world GDP will make the above a fait accompli) so they have decided to pull the plug on their American operations.
As of Dec 21, 2012, (the end date of the Mayan calendar) they will not be renewing their charter granted them in 1913, to loot and plunder the American citizenry into penury.
I have said repeatedly for about a year now that the 7 year Tribulation will begin on that date, with a parabolic increase in intensity halfway into it, which the antichrist will use to show himself with the promise ‘only I can help you’
Americans in particular have 3 years to prepare, during an ever worsening situation.
Given the similarity of the events associated with 9-11, with Revelations 18: 7-20,
I suggest you heed the words of the prophet ” come out of her my people, so that you partake not of her sins.”
And no, the mass media will not show you the way.
Dear Real Zionist News Family,
I was invited to an Orthodox Christian Church retreat this Thursday thru next Monday. (Feb 4-8, 2010.)
It will be a time of much introspection, contemplative prayer, Orthodox Worship, Holy Communion, and Spiritual reading.
I need this time also to reflect on World Events and where they are headed.
I will also be studying some of our recent Orthodox ascetics’ prophecies of the coming of the Anti Christ.
Having given much thought to this issue of the Anti Christ, I am more and more convinced that he is at the very doors.
CHRIST HATING JEWS are in control of the Western world. They control the media, banking, publishing, education, financial markets, and the military. (There are MANY joint ventures between Israel’s military and the US/European nations/The EU/Central-Eastern Europe/ & Turkey.) Its scary.
I subscribe to Janes Defence Report and this is how I get “military” information on a global scale with daily reports. IT’S SCARY.
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Dear brothers in the faith of Christ.
Firstly, thank the big brother Nathanael, for his outstanding article on the current geopolitical state of mainly US relations Russia / China, and the consequences this will bring to the world at large.
I leave the link of a video, where a moral and patriotic American, told the father that he thought Busch. Do not know if the translation is very good, but I hope you understand me well.
Blessings and strength to face it with faith that we are headed.
Hugs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dF9g94tlqQ&feature=player_embedded
Dear Brother Nathanael and RZN Christians,
Caution is advised repeatedly in the Gospels, to those who would in their human pride and wisdom attempt to predict the second coming of Christ. Knowing full well what was in store for the Church, Jesus repeatedly advises through direct instructions and parables that his followers not partake of this guessing game, but be ready all the same like a good steward is for his master’s unexpected arrival.
In Matthew 24: (44) Jesus states directly and unequivocally: “Be ye therefore also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of Man cometh.”
Although Christ himself indicates that the season of his coming will be self evident in the manner of the fig tree which puts forth green shoots when summer grows near, He cautions us that he will intentionally surprise the Church. He likens the day and hour of his return to “a thief in the night”, “the days of Noah”, and a nobleman returning to his estate from travel unannounced.
Why does Christ want to come as a surprise? He does not trust His Church, but expects grave disobedience from within it. Likening those in the Church whom He shall catch thereby to evil servants who begin to take license by beating fellow servants and getting drunk, believing in their heart that the master tarries and will not come to discipline them.
Of course this runs in sharp contrast to 2012 millennial fever, which interlaces pagan prophesy and Biblical verse into a creed of certain events which are believed to be coming according to schedule. This contrast should be enough to warn the ‘faithful servant’ to keep vigilant watch against deception as this year approaches.
The scenario in which Christ promises His own return is neither one of widespread religious dread nor of special circumstances making it definitively clear that His return is at hand. If Christ’s words are any guide, it will rather be a time of prosperity, complacency and smug self-assurance within the Church when the evil members of His Church are openly beating the others.
For His words to be fulfilled this cannot occur during a time of general disaster, but only in the context of a period of peace after a season of tribulations. Hence, those gambling for Christ to return based in any temporal way on 2012 are going astray and being seduced by devious occult deceptions.
To assure that the faithful would not be without a way of knowing, Christ gave the Church these cryptic words in Matthew 24: (27-28) “For as the lightening (as in rising light and not as in electrical discharge from thunder clouds) comes out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be. For wheresoever the carcass is, there shall the eagles (or vultures) be gathered together.”
The understanding of these words is supposed to allow one to discern the true coming of the Christ Jesus from any other false attempted fulfillments, which he specifically cautions the Church to beware of immediately beforehand in Mt 24: (23-26).
Unfortunately their meaning ‘eludeth’ me. So if anyone can help me here, I would greatly appreciate it. Particularly my Orthodox study Bible says the carcass/eagle reference concerns Christ and his angels. However, I personally wonder at this morbid reference. I think it means something more negative.
In particular, the textus receptus of the KJV states in literal translation of Mt 24: (28) the following:
“Wherever for IF-EVER MAY-BE THE corpse there SHALL-BE-BEING-TOGETHER-LED THE VULTURES.”
In this passage the key words; G4430 for corpse, and G105 for “eagles” , are given below:
105. aetos ah-et-os’ from the same as 109; an eagle (from its wind-like flight):–eagle.
109. aer ah-ayr’ from aemi (to breathe unconsciously, i.e. respire; by analogy, to blow); “air” (as naturally circumambient):–air. Compare 5594.
4430. ptoma pto’-mah from the alternate of 4098; a ruin, i.e. (specially), lifeless body (corpse, carrion):–dead body, carcase, corpse.
Particularly, it is hard for me to believe that the one who conquered death and holds the keys to eternal life would refer to himself as a ruined, lifeless body. Rather this seems to be set in contrast to the preceding sentence which definitively describes his return as an unmistakable dawning of supernal light which fills the sky even unto the west. It also looks to me to be set in the context of his warnings directly preceding it, regarding those who say that Christ is bodily incarnate before such an event and, is to be discovered in one place or another.
Hence it seems as though Christ is warning us that false Christs will appear in the flesh without such an unmistakable dawning light in the sky, and that the “corpse” is not the place to look for his return, but the eastern sky. And that these false Christs will be death incarnate (hence corpses) around which vultures (demons of the air) will be gathered.
Peace in Christ.
One reason Americans do not rise up against United States aggression in the Middle East is that myths about Osama bin Laden as the leader of 911 persist.
Actually the whole concept of the buildings being taken down by airplanes is flawed. Controlled demolition is a more likely explanation, but our government suppressed that theory.
Even E. Michael Jones is naive enough to state as fact that, “On September 11, 2001, followers of Osama bin Laden . . . flew commercial airlines into the twin World Trade Center Towers and the Pentagon.” (The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit, page 1052).
Better understanding of what happened on September 11, 2001 would hopefully lead to better understanding and repentance for United States military actions taken since then.
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Brilliant article by Brother Nathanael Kapner.
As usual.
For those who are interested in listening to a lecture or radio talk on a topic to beautifully complement this article, please listen to “Voice of Reason” radio show hosted by Orthodox priest and former University Professor Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson.
This talk was conducted only last Thursday and is titled “Putin’s Military”.
Here is the link: http://reasonradionetwork.com/?cat=50
“What would it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his own soul?” asked Jesus.
The Jews of his day despised the question.
Apparently the Judaized United States war machine still despises the question.
To Chris Moore (cont):
A little background to fill in some more mental picture of Russia, I hope, and cut through the hype, and maybe someone overseas can fill it in better, or make corrections.
There is no native Slavic root for “king” and “kingdom” or similar words, probably because the early Slavic societies were highly “democratic” within tribal, familial, paternal lines and ruled by an ancient form of parliament – the “veche”, the popular assembly in medieval Slavic countries, and in late medieval period.
Ultimate decisions, especially things military, also at times rested on an autocratic “strong man” or chief, or tyrannos, basileos or tsar, but in the sense of his decisive word was final and binding when it was all heard and weighed. The ‘strong man’ in the East never lost the patronal or fatherliness towards the people. Even the great Romanov Tzars were often called the “Little Father” by the people.
And Putin, as has been anecdotally told to me, was known for showing up personally to look at some kind of problem or complaint, even those from little kids about school lunches or such sent to him by letter. Nevertheless, as president he was popularly elected in free democratic elections, and then Parliament elected him as Prime Minister, and the Russians seem comfortable with an “autocracy-lite”, even though our U$$A situation seems to be not much different, only with openly psychopathic dictators in control.
Veche can be compared to the ecclesia of Classical Athens and other Old Greek polises. New Russia has a constitution, a strong body of law and growing commitment to ‘the rule of law’, a parliament, and a president and prime minister. Now, Putin has said he is a “strong man”, an “autocrat”, a “chief”, but also an implied father of a nation, although it is very improper of the Western media to call him a “tzar”, but the Eastern concept is different from that of most of Western experience, but comparable to that of America based on the much older system of English Common Law, even if such terminology kind of makes us nervous about bullies.
The word veche is inherited from Proto-Slavic vetje meaning ‘council’ or ‘talk’ (which is also represented in the word “soviet”, both ultimately deriving from Proto-Slavic verbal stem of *větiti ‘to talk, speak’). From local veche to the highest legislative and judicial parliaments of the land, the “soviet” arises from antiquity.
After the Baptism into Christ of the various Slavic nations in Eastern Europe and Russia, and their gradual formation and incorporation by signed agreements into the Byzantine Commonwealth as sovereign tribal and national states, principle leaders of the allied Slavic nations were sometimes granted the title of Czar or Tzar (from Caesar, also cognate with Kaiser), and Constantinople was eveb known as Tzargrad(Miklgardr to the Scandinavians).
The Local Churches in those countries also retained their episcopal collegial and concillar organizations within the apostolic order, and if not headed by a patriarch, were also autonomous under a metropolitan or archbishop within a provincial/diocese structure.
The medieval form of veche paralleled the defensive Byzantine martial theme system of well-trained and disciplined units of farmer-soldiers, ranking command system, and local chief, princeps or king operated in a similar fashion to ancient independent city-state of classic Greece.
So, in terms of using ‘New Soviet’ as another “cold-war” scaremongering word, there is nothing that wasn’t always present in some form in Russian history, even under the Tzars. And, America was not designed to be a pure democracy run by mob rule as we now have it, but a democratic republic (commonwealth of states) of representational government.
New Russia is no utopia, there are a lot of problems to overcome, the most pressing especially with the Euro-U$$A-NATO military beast stepping on the Bear’s toes. At least we can defuse some of the dang MSM emotionally charged buzzwords, like “New Soviet” describing Putin’s Russia for now.
@ KathJuliane,
Thanks for the background. I think Putin can be a force for good in this world if he takes the right steps.
The nightmare for humanity (and something I’ve touched on again on one of my blogs today), is Orwell’s prophecy from the novel 1984 of the world dividing into three totalitarian superstates at perpetual war with one another, a process that is currently underway. Here’s what I wrote today on this fear vis-a-vis banking reform and the opposition to ending Big Government subsidies to Big Wall Street crooks (many of whom are warmongering Zionists):
“There are claims that U.S. banks will be at a competitive disadvantage to foreign banks if they are not allowed to gamble with taxpayer money, but this is nonsense, and a recipe for communism and fascism. If other countries want to throw taxpayer resources at profiteering sharks and speculators, hence undermining and eroding the integrity of their own markets (and burying their own taxpayers under mountains of debt when those banksters bet wrong) that’s their business.
But by claiming because country X does so, therefore so should America is like saying that because China has a quasi-Capitalist Communist society, so should America. It won’t end until the entire world is divided into Commu-fascist superstates at perpetual war with one another, like Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia out of Orwell’s 1984.”
http://www.libertariantoday.com/2010/02/banks-shouldnt-be-allowed-to-engage-in.html
I guess my point in this context is that Putin can prove that he’s not simply attempting to set up and run one of the big, Godless totalitarian superstates into which the world is slowly devolving by explicitly naming and rejecting those who are the driving force behind this evil process — the Zionists and their collaborators.
It’s going to take a guy like Putin to verify the existence of this insidiously powerful international threat to Christians, and condemn the global conspiracy (just as Iran’s Ahmadinejad is already doing for Muslims) in order to marshal all of the energy, resources and manpower that the entirety of Christianity can muster to derail the process.
God bless you, Chris.
I’ve been working on my essay most of the day. As an American with patriotic colonial family roots, as well as a convert to Orthodoxy in a culture that is Western and Protestant and most of all deeply Biblical, “Christian America” is still a very large concern with me, and with your questions what finally dawned was that a struggling Christian here needs evidence of sincerity in Putin’s actions.
So, I’ll try to bridge the gap to point out what to look for and where, because a lot of stuff is not covered in the Jew-owned “secular” press as it is in the religious realm, and there is a lot of bs out there as well. Nor am I saying either, that any of us should let down our guard, or be suddenly gung-ho cheerleaders like all of our problems are solved, or that Putin is now the savior of the world, either. Everyone will have to come to their own conclusions. In the meantime, God help him and Russia to put some brakes on this runaway juggernaut.
Putin is not directly answerable to the West, but to his own nation first and foremost, and those regions of the FSU.
Actively seeking to be a regional peace-maker, and not just “project” the image of same, he has been very careful to point out that the style of Stalin was unacceptable, unbalanced and brutal, he was careful to admit that tens of millions of citizens lost their lives in a period of repression, and by his actions, not touted in our Jew-Press, clearly pointing out that Scientific Atheism is a complete failure, and in terms of Christ and the Church, “the gates of hell did not prevail.”
The Western press has a field day in our “culture of critique” and “papparazi’ mayhem, like some nasty, drunk showing up at a funeral, and starts tearing apart the deceased and his family for a eulogy, crapping on Putin’s genuine efforts towards a dignified and objective “closure”, not to bury it, but considering all of the political and partisan aspects, spending wise labors towards gradually healing the national psyche in a dignified way in order for the country to move on.
We in America have lost a great deal in the way of dignified and somber public ceremonial and commemorations with days set aside for them, and permanent monuments, and we have little sense of these things as necessary for both the honoring and the mourning in patriotic and national memory, of honoring our soldiers and vets, (even though they have been, and are being criminally wasted, too, by the Jew Bankster powers that be and puppet administrations) and so the TV becomes a Jerry Springer cynical canned substitute, and a poor one for its sloppy three-minute sentimentality.
In terms of the military, after all, did not the God-fearer Centurion say to our Lord Jesus, “For I also am a man under authority, having soldiers under me. And I say to this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes; and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”?
Just because something is not portrayed in our secular, materialistic, prostituted media about the things you brought up as genuine serious concerns, doesn’t mean it isn’t happening, because it is. Quite a lot of what you brought up has been, and is being done in the churches, mosques, and synagogues, expressed on certain public, patriotic memorial days. The last thing anyone wants is another image of ‘Bush the Christian Zionist crusader’, too, to blaspheme our Lord Jesus.
But Putin is also courageous enough to remember that Stalin built the Soviet Union, inheriting a medieval backwater, despite the Tzars’ own various efforts at reforms to bring Russia into the then modern age and the revolutionary obstacles that prevented it, and transforming it into a front line superpower in just a few decades. Then there is also the Great Patriotic War, which if no one has looked into, out to read up on the seiges of Leningrad and Stalingrad just to understand what brutal hardship the populations on the whole courageously endured, with significant loss of life.
New Russia has inherited a lot of the old Soviet headaches and deficiencies as well, and the situation was not ever helped by the Chicago School of Economics and the privatized rape, pillage, and plunder of Oligarchy 101A during the Jew-puppet Yeltsin years.
This Great Game history of the European Balance of Power is so complex and intertwined with international Judeo-Zionism and its European, British-Israel and Eastern Establishment love/hate relationship with “the Jew Banksters” that its aspects are hard to pick apart without scholarly diligence. We need to definitely support the WW2 historians, especially persecuted by the “politically correct” trying to clean out the Augean stables on the “Holohoax” as well among what is collectively lumped together as “the Jews”.
If we take a look at how the good German people for several generations have been, and are still being, entirely demonized and morally brutalized by the ZOG-NATO for over 60 years for being “evil Nazis” undergoing “holocaust” re-education and political-correctness conditioning as genetically sick and irredeemable “anti-Semites”, then why should the Russian people be expected to perform such Judaizing psycho-spiritual lobotomization as the Germans are enduring?
For the most part, it has been the courageous German historians and scientists in the “revisionist camp” who are being routinely convicted and imprisoned for thought-crimes in violation of political correctness, and who are carrying on the flame of “the Teutonic fighting spirit” of old.
Germans, (and by extension the cash-cow U$$A) is paying, paying, paying through the nose, and living under an occupation government since WW2, demoralized as to virtually any Christian faith whatsover, and that their country is not even their own anymore, then perhaps it makes sense that Putin take a more mature, “nuanced” and practical view, carrying into public life his own inner Christian life.
I’m NOT On Putin’s Bandwagon
(New World Order = Zionism + Anti-Zionism)
By Henry Makow PhD
I had as much satisfaction as anyone from the humiliation Vlad Putin dealt the Zionists in Georgia recently. However, I’m not joining in the general celebration evinced by articles like “The Zionist West Has Met Its Match” by Karl Schwartz (August 23, 2008.)
(Schwartz-http://www.rense.com/general83/match.htm)
To equate the New World Order with Zionism is incorrect. Zionism is just one pincer in the NWO. The other is Opposition-to-Zionism, represented by Russia’s Putin and Iran’s Ahmadinejad. The Rothschilds control them both through MI-6.
This dialectic succeeds the Nazi-Communist one of WW2. You can’t have a Third World War unless you have two sides. This time round, Putin and Ahmadinejad have been cast as defenders of Nation and Religion. But don’t be fooled. This is the Rothschild Modus Operandi. They routinely simulate the opposition or pretend to fight themselves. (Read Protocols 12 and 17 for examples.)
This way they can initiate profitable conflicts and orchestrate the outcome. Wars keep us off balance and unable to address the real problem-them. Meanwhile the idealistic plebes fight and die for a “cause.”
How do I support this view of Putin? To begin with, his body language. Putin doesn’t have the gravitas to be anything more than a front man. He lacks chest hair. Have you seen how comfortable he is with George W. ? They are both veterans from central casting. If Putin were for real, he wouldn’t be able to stand W’s presence.
For those who demand more substantial proof, I spent a half-hour on Google. I learned that Putin is on intimate terms with the head of the largest faction of Russian Jewry, the Chabad Lubavitchers. The Rebbe relates how when young Vlad was hungry, they fed him and he has felt gratitude ever since. Maybe they’re still feeding him? Apparently, this sect is on the forefront of the NWO.
(You Tube of Lubavitcher Rabbi-http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=qoJc7VoEmq0)
Then I found the website of an MI-6 defector Richard Tomlinson who trained with young KGB agent Putin. They both learned to serve the Illuminati who were ‘born to rule’, the self-elected custodians of society.
(Tomlinson site- http:// http://www.richardtomlinsonandtherussians.blogspot.com/)
Putin was brainwashed and controlled by MI-6 and may still be. This may explain his muted reaction to the sinking of the Kursk by the US and the Beslan massacre aided and abetted by MI-6. Tomlinson says Putin was a Royal Arch Freemason but is no longer a Freemason and has broken free of his mind programming. I wonder.
Another tell: Mikhail Gorbachev, New World Elder, rode to Putin’s defense on the Larry King Show.
(http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/14/gorbachev/index.html?iref=newssearch)
Then there is the famous picture of Putin kissing the stomach of a young boy in public, suggesting he has the pederast foibles typical of his kind. I don’t believe Putin’s break with the Rothschilds and the West is more than stagecraft. Does Russia have a central bank controlled by the Rothschilds? ‘Nuff said.
(The kiss-http://www.illuminati-news.com/070806c.htm)
I’d love for Putin et co. to be for real. But I’m not buying it yet.
AHMADINEJAD
Here is the Iranian President giving the Masonic “thumb and finger” sign of recognition. Two fingers pointed upward is a negative sign.
One of David Livingstone’s Iranian readers claims that Ahmadinejad is a crypto-Jew. He pointed David to a Wikipedia article which notes that his family changed their name in the 50’s from Saborjhian, which he claims is a typical Jewish name.
He continued: “I really hope this will be a way to expose the real danger we all are facing globally, Iran, USA and Russia hand-in-hand bringing the third world war.”
“Inside the political establishment of Iran everybody is concerned about crypto-Jews that have a strong grip on the most influential politicians just by having corrupted them all or they know about their dirty past. For example : Mohsen Rezaei ex-commander of Revolutionary Guard said last summer: ” Ahmadinejad’s mother is a Jew, and from the establishment of Islamic republic in 1979, the crypto-Jews were in the highest position in decision making in the State.” But he is silent now!”
This would be consistent with reports that Israel may have helped Iran develop nuclear weapons. Recently, an ex-Mossad chief said Ahmadinejad was “Israel’s greatest gift” by posing as a threat to Israel.
“Ahmadinejad is our greatest gift,” Halevy told the Arab language television network Al-Hurra on Tuesday. “We couldn’t carry out a better operation at the Mossad than to put a guy like Ahmadinejad in power in Iran.”
Halevy added that the Iranian president’s extremist statements “proved to everyone that Iran of today is an Iran that is impossible to live with. [Ahmadinejad] unites the entire world against Iran.”
(http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/news-watch/middle-east/66-middle- east/3461-ex-mossad-chief-ahmadinejad-is-israels-greatest-gift)
I hope average Israelis see how they are being used as pawns, as the Jews of Europe were with fatal consequences.
ON THE HOME FRONT
Americans have been effectively disenfranchised. They get to vote for the Neo-Con of their choice. Obama’s logo is the familiar Illuminati dot in circle & rising sun motif. His motto “Change” as in “change the world” has always been the Left battle cry. The change is to enslavement. George Soros financed Obama in his 2004 Senate race and this Rothschild cut-out is backing him again.
Meanwhile Randy Scheunemann is John McCain’s chief foreign policy adviser. He has also worked for the Republic of Georgia and for, yup, none other than George Soros’ Open Society Policy Center. (See his Wikipedia entry.) So you see both sides are beholden to the Rothschilds. It’s another “color revolution.” Choose Black or Grey.
In addition, McCain has been accused of taking improper donations from the Rothschilds. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/29/johnmccain.uselections2008
Yes folks, Americans have been disenfranchised. But then, slaves always are.
A GUIDE FOR THE BEDEVILED
Our political life is a grotesque carnival designed to convince the rubes they live in a democracy. This is so they will pay taxes and lay down their lives for their betters.
Our rulers have determined that we shall have no real say in our collective future. Like livestock, we will chew our collective cud on sex, drugs, toys and trivia, which they will supply in abundance.
This explains why the mass media (incl. movies) and education long ago ceased to deal in reality, or teach civics or history. Instead they are purveyers of deception and conformity.
The US election is really a job competition where a shortlist of candidates vie for the privilege of deceiving the public and implementing the banker agenda. Even this process is fixed, as the bankers naturally prefer the most corrupt and dissolute and therefore most blackmail-able and obedient leader.
There hasn’t been a President in the last 100 years who hasn’t been controlled by the Rothschilds via the Rockefellers. The ones that resisted were poisoned (Harding); murdered (JFK) or framed (Nixon.)
The bankers use the US as the Zionist half of their dialectic leading to world government. At the same time, the US is weakened so it can be properly submerged.
Our world is a B-movie Horror where the town’s leading citizens secretly join a satanic cult and betray everybody else. This is essentially the position of people who align themselves with the central bankers, which is a prerequisite for success in most fields today.
This is why so many of our “leaders” are drunks and perverts. They have sold their souls to the devil and know it.
CONCLUSION
Our leadership class belongs to an international satanic cult beholden to the Cabalist (i.e. Masonic) central bankers. The mass media and education systems function to legitimize the criminals, perverts and traitors, I mean “leaders.”
Don’t doubt for a moment — mankind has the smarts to solve all its problems but we are being actively sabotaged by the money-masters. Our collective life is a fraud because our national credit is controlled by private banking families. They are inaugurating a new Dark Age that may last for eternity.
The tragic wars that have marred modern history and inflicted unspeakable suffering were caused by a relatively few sick minds who hate God and humanity. Their demented centuries-old plot is entering its final stage.
Putin, Ahmadinejad, Obama and McCain are all stage actors. Rather than getting sucked into this pseudo drama by siding with one side or another, we need to make our own plans. Essentially we are on a bus driven by a psycho. We need to find a way to get off.
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Related- My “Our Leaders-Whose Sick Joke?” http://www.henrymakow.com/our_leaders_whose_sick_joke.html
and “How they Control the World” http://www.henrymakow.com/how_to_control_the_world.html
Henry Makow Ph.D. is the author of “Cruel Hoax: Feminism and the New World Order.” (www.cruelhoax.ca) His articles can be found at his web site http://www.henrymakow.com He enjoys receiving your comments, some of which he posts on his site using first names only. hmakow@gmail.com
http://www.rense.com/general83/PUT.HTM
These are the sort of people the western governments have allowed to lord it over them,
to control the lives of the Palestinians, to make war on those not in their financial grasp, under the pretext of “terrorism”, to say, nay command, the world not to dislike them. (“anti-semitism”), and to say, nay demand that we not dispute the holahoax:
The following look into their mindset is apropriate. It is demonic.
We have victory in Jesus Christ. Seek him today, imploring Him, and He will reveal himself to you, his plan for you, and the wellspring of love, protection and sure guidance that is to be found in his heart. He has already overcome all your enemies.
Extracts from the Talmud.
Jews are to hide their hatred for Christians. – Iore Dea (148, 12H):
“A Jew must not associate himself with gentiles.” – Hilkoth Maakhaloth, Ch. IX.
“The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts.”
– Saba Mecia, 114, 6.
“Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.” – Midrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L.
“It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces.” -Schuichan Qruch, Choszen Hajpiszpat jog.
“Thou shalt not do injury to thy neighbor (Bible), but it is not said, ‘Thou shalt not do injury to a Goy.’ ” – Mishna Sanhedryn 57.
“All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes.
He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Jews in general.” – Schalchan arach. Choszen Hasisxpat 348.
“The Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings.” – Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaiw 14, 20, 32, 33, 39. TaIDud Jebamoth 61.
“To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the goyim knew what we teach about them they would kill us openly.” – Libbre David 37.
“Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human.” – Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b
“If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog.” – Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b
“It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah.” – Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
(Jesus Christ was) illegitimate and conceived during menstruation. Mother a Prostitute. – Kallah 1b. (18b)
Christian birth rate must be diminished materially. – Zohar (II 64b)
Jews must always try to deceive Christians. – Zohar (1 160a)
Jews are not to prevent the death of a Christian. – Choschen Ham (425 5):
Do not save Christians in danger of death, instructed to let die. – Hilkkoth Akum (x,1)
Even the best of the Goim [Christians] should be killed. – Abhodah Zarah (25b)T
If Jew kills a Christian he commits no sin. – Sepher Or Israel 177b
Extermination of Christians necessary. – Zohar (11 43a)
Make no agreements and show no mercy to Christians. – Hilkhoth Akum (x,1)
Christians are idolaters. – Hilkhoth Maakhaloth
Christians have intercourse with animals. – Abhodah Zarah (22a)
Female Jews contaminated when meeting Christians. – Iore Dea (198, 48)
Innocent of murder if intent was to kill a Christian. – Makkoth (7b)
Christians likened to cows and asses. – Zohar II (64b)
Psalmist compares Christians to beasts. – Kethuboth (110b)
Sexual intercourse with Christian same as intercourse with beast. – Sanhedrin (74b)
The seed [children] of Christians valued same as the seed of a beast. – Kethuboth (3b)
Those Jews who do good to Christians never rise when dead. – Zohar (1, 25b)
Christian property belongs to the first Jew claiming it. – Babha Bathra (54b)
Keep any overpayment Christians make in error. – Choschen Ham (193, 7)
It is permitted for a Jew to deceive Christians. – Babha Kama (113b)
Jew may deceive Christians. – Iore Dea (157, 2) H
Jew may lie and perjure himself to condemn a Christian. – Babha Kama (113a)
The name of God is not profaned when a Jew lies to Christians. – Babha Kama
(113b):
Jew may perjure himself when lying about Christians. – Kallah (1b, p. 18):
Jews may swear falsely by the use of subterfuge wording. – Schabbouth Hag (6d):
Jews must always try to deceive Christians. – Zohar (1, 160a):
Christians who are not Jews’ enemies must also die. – Iore Dea (158, 1):
http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2685%3Aprincess-diana-anti-semitism-and-the-new-world-order&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=64&lang=en
God bless you, Chris.
This will be the couple of parts, and hopefully a profitable glimpse into a world across the sea that is not normally presented in terms of Christian life in the Western media.
The prior parts of the essay are just the worldly view of things that we in a Protestant and utilitarian environment are used to, and I am quite aware of the issue of what is considered “idolatry” in some Christian circles. (and no disrespect at all here, some of the best Christians I know have a sturdy bible -based graciousness and gentleness that put me to shame, nor is this post polemical).
In the Orthodox and Catholic world, religious expression extends beyond the Scripture into Tradition, where spiritual life and symbolical truths are expressed in liturgics, religious art, church architecture, and monuments reflecting a national life in Christ and carrying forward the Cross.
Within Orthodox national life is the idea of true Christian forgiveness and repentence, one heart at a time, not in the sense of “oh, everything that Stalin did is now ok”, but forgiveness in the sense of freeing one’s self from another person’s evil, and not being bound to it anymore by bitterness and revenge. Russian history has already judged Stalin, and ultimately God will judge his soul.
In all of the churches in Russia and in the Orthodox churches around the world, there are liturgical memorials for the canonized Holy Passion-Bearers of Christ, the extended Martyred Royal Family of Tzar Nicholas II, and the New Martyrs of the Soviet Regime, not just in Russia, but from within the Eastern Bloc nations as well, and other New Martyrs from various regimes canonized around the world in the Orthodox Churches.
Let me present the Cathedral of Christ the Savior in Moscow, the most important basilica in all of the Russias, and monumental historical allegory of the national life of this Christian people, and important symbol of New Russia.
“Shortly after Vladimir Putin was elected president of Russia in 2000, the murdered family of Czar Nicholas was beatified. Until quite recently, the centers of Jewish power had hoped to preserve some idealized memories of the murderous Soviet system in the minds of the Russians, but it turned out to be a vain hope.
“Because Bolshevism was formulated and executed by Jews, their power centers had retained fond hopes of being able some day to reconnect and reinstall some sort of Jewish lobby leverage in the Kremlin. These fond hopes were dashed by Vladimir Putin.”
http://www.radicalpress.com/?cat=338
Symbolizing Moscow’s awakening is the newly reconstructed Christ the Savior Cathedral, which Stalin’s regime demolished in 1931 along with countless other churches and monuments.
The orginal Cathedral of Christ the Savior.
http://www.xxc.ru/english/
The history of the Cathedral begins on December 25, 1812. This was the day that the last soldiers of Napoleons’ 600,000 man army were driven out of Russia. Emperor Alexander I signed a Manifesto ordering the construction of a magnificent Cathedral in honor of Christ the Savior in Moscow as a thanksgiving to God and to honor the victorious Russian army.
The first project called for a Cathedral built by the architect Vitberg. On October 12, 1817, five years after the French entered Moscow, the cornerstone of this Cathedral was triumphantly blessed. The first site was on the Sparrow Hills, between the Smolensk and the Kaluga roads. However, unsteady ground and underground waters made this site unfeasible.
On April 10, 1832 Emperor Nicholas I approved a new project presented by K. A. Ton. The emperor chose the new site personally – on the bank of the Moscow River, near the Kremlin.
The original Cathedral took forty years to build…
The sculptures and frescoes in the Cathedral were unified by several themes: the mercy of the Lord vouchsafed to the Russian people through the intercession of saints during the past nine centuries, and the ways and means chosen by God for the salvation of mankind from the creation, to the fall and the redemption through our Lord and Savior.
Therefore, holy protectors and intercessors for the Russian land, as well as those leaders, who worked to affirm and spread Christianity and those princes that laid their life down for the freedom and integrity of the Russian land are pictured throughout the Cathedral.
The Cathedral is a perceptible memorial to the battle of the Russian people against the napoleonic hordes. The names of the renowned heroes, whom God chose as instruments to save His people are engraved on marble boards in the main gallery of the Cathedral.
The Cathedral is shaped as an equal-sided cross with the corner pillars forming a square laid over this cross. The cross symbolizes the Salvation accorded by God to Russia. On December 13, 1880 the new church was officially named the Cathedral of Christ the Savior and priests and other clergy were assigned.
The Great Consecration of the Cathedral took place on Ascension, on May 26, 1883, which was also the day Alexander III was crowned. The Saint Nicholas and Saint Alexander Nevsky chapels (located in the upper gallery) were consecrated on June 12 and July 8 of the same year respectively.
A year earlier, Tchaikovsky’s 1812 Overture debuted there. [And doesn’t the 1812 Overture also get played at times for our own 4th of July?]
Regular services were conducted in the Cathedral from this time on. All important church and civic events were marked in the Cathedral including the 500th anniversary of the death of Saint Sergius of Radonezh, the 100th anniversary of the war of 1812, the 300th anniversary of the Romanov dynasty.
Christmas was the main feast day of the year, when all Moscow also commemorated the victory over Napoleon. The Local Council of 1917-1918 opened in the Cathedral during the troubled summer of 1917 on August 15.
This council reinstated the patriarchate in the Russian Church [just prior to the October Revolution and the establishment of the Bolshevik state]. After 200 years Russia had a patriarch again – His Holiness Patriarch Tikhon, who has now been canonized by the Russian Orthodox Church.
When the persecution of the church began in 1918, Patriarch Tikhon founded the Brotherhood of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior in order to prevent the Cathedral from being closed. The brotherhood was meant to “maintain the Cathedral, support the services, unite believers around this great historical monument and assist the clergy in providing for the continued spiritual evolvement of Orthodox Russia”.
[After the Russian Revolution of 1917 and, more specifically, the death of Vladimir Lenin, the prominent site of the cathedral was chosen by the Soviets as the site for a monument to socialism known as the Palace of Soviets. This monument was to rise in modernistic, buttressed tiers to support a gigantic statue of Lenin perched atop a dome with his arm raised in blessing.
On December 5, 1931, by order of Stalin’s minister Lazar Kaganovich, after removing much of the interior decorations and art works, the temple was dynamited and reduced to rubble. It took more than one blast to destroy the church and more than a year to clear the debris from the site. The original marble high reliefs were preserved and are now on display at the Donskoy Monastery. For over six decades, they were the only reminder of the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour.
The construction of the Palace of Soviets was continuously interrupted due to a lack of funds, problems with flooding from the nearby Moskva River, and the outbreak of war. The flooded foundation hole remained on the site for nearly thirty years. Under Nikita Khrushchev’s leadership in 1958-1960, the Palace foundations were cleared of rubble and converted to the open-air Moskva swimming pool. The one-of-a-kind circular pool had a diameter of 129 meters (423.23 ft).]
“ A new Moscow, with no vestiges of the “cursed past and its’ monuments” was to arise around this Palace of the Soviets. A massive wave of propaganda preceded the actual destruction. The newspapers wrote, “the Cathedral is grotesque and totally inartistic”, that “the Cathedral is a poisonous mushroom on Moscow’s face” and that it was “a source of slothfulness” and so forth.
“The first explosions rocked the Cathedral at noon on December 5, 1931, as per the decision of Stalin’s politburo. [Footage available on website.] The memorial to military glory and the most important church in Russia was brutally vandalized and destroyed.
“During those horrible days it seemed as if the Lamp of Faith, that had burned in the cathedral through the efforts and prayers of the cream of the nation was extinguished forever.
“Russia sank ever deeper into the destructive gloom of atheism…
…An enormous cavity gaped on the site of the Cathedral for many years. During the so-called Khruschev thaw, the city built an enormous swimming pool instead of the Cathedral. The pool replaced the Cathedral and became a monument to forgotten and obliterated national history and glory, which had no place in the plans of the “builders of communism”.
And then, what some call “the Russian Miracle” began to unfold in terms of Christian renewal.
Just as importantly, the dead are publicly honored, not just Christians, at their own memorials who suffered under the Red Terror as well, whether Russian Muslim (there are about 20 million Muslims, and the long history is extremely intertwined and complex) or Jews, and there are memorials as well for those heroically fallen in the Great Patriotic War.
I look at Germany and their yoke of “political correctness” and growing “holocaust fatigue”, yet so far as I know (may be wrong, allowing for trans-Atlantic media bias), has anything ever been done in the way of memorializing Dresden, for example, in a monumental way that reflects national dignity? Or that the Germans suffered terribly at the hands of the Allies, post-war? If not, it’s because it is just not politically correct.
I look at the EU flag and its 12 gold stars which ostensibly conveys “something” vague about the Christian roots of Europe, but it is ominously blank in the center, because really its all about economic empire.
In the meantime, the below link should also be interesting for a slightly different glimpse at Putin in a Christian setting which you won’t see in secular Western media, for it is not the usual staged political photo-op, but more like a picture sort of for the family album.
The caption is:
“September 22, 2009, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, right, meets with Overseas First Hierarch Illarion of East America and New York at the Christ the Savior Cathedral in Moscow.”
Metropolitan Hilarion (Kapral) of Eastern America and New York is First Hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (ROCOR). He’s also Canadian born (!) of immigrant parents that escaped the Bolshevik Revolution into the Orthodox diaspora. In the photo, Putin is venerating a holy icon that Metropolitan has brought from New York, and he is in the process of crossing himself.
http://visualrian.com/images/item/460329
Glory to God for all things. Let us hope and pray to our Lord Jesus Christ, and may God bless America.
IC XC
NI KA
The larger picture need to be seen as China-USA-Russia are on an equal footing in terms of space based weapons systems and thus cannot really threaten each other.They have been cooperating in space for many, many years.What happens here on earth is just a planned culling of the herd (WWIII) on all sides.
America will be devided between China-Russia and Mexico thereafter.The Jewz have their underground bunkers ready for 2012 poleshift and don’t give a s–t. After the chaos and floods of 2010-2012 a new order will be implemented with UN taking global control over the remaining herd.
Expect an Arab-China-Russia dominated new world order after 2012.
Hopefully the Jewz will become entombed in their trillion Dollar (tax and drug money built) underworld cities and won’t bother anybody anymore. As for the possible rise of a Caliphate empire with the Mahdi at its head after Zion1 (Israel) and Zion2 (USA) burns would become a big concern for Christians as non conformance to Islam will cause the forced removal of your head.
The Holocaust is a post-war phenomenon we are experiencing now, not a wartime one, the so-called Jews experienced at the time.
Germany attempted to throw off their parasitism by declaring war on them, not realizing the Jews engineered the war they came to win, not just over Germany, but the world.
This is the deal. AIPAC and the like are the front line are to keep you from understanding this, and MOST especially, ACTING to override it. The second rank comprises tricksters and destroyers such as the CIA and Mossad.
Why is Jeff Rense avoiding Jane Burgermeister of http://www.theflucase.com/ fame?
Indeed why is Jeff Rense and Br. Nathanael allowed to continue?
The answer of course is that neither is perceived as a great threat to the establishment.
Google gladly oblige with search engine service, free of charge even.
Why bring this up?
The answer is that too many people are not thinking for themselves and rely on what they get either from the media or the alternative media.
The conspiracy has advanced way beyond that portrayed in the alternative media.
People have to realize that the alternative media is limited in what it can present as a ‘situation report’ on the state of the takeover and usrpation of the world by money interests -“the root of all evil”, – and in doing so make their own judgements of the above fact independent of the so called independent media, if you get my drift.
Not to say that the above is not valueable but that they have to open their mind to a world conciousness that is not based simply on what they read in the alternative media but what nevertheless they can detect using the above as a signpost.
This will encourage us/them to prepare more thoroughly for the coming hard times which could be on us ‘in a flash’ (no pun intended), but is nevertheless advancing brutally, and not always reflected in the alternative media which relies for half of its information at least on the establishment media.
This is where prayer is important: for enlightenment, comfort, encouragement and salvation even, in these harsh times which will only get worse.
Dear R C Christian,
You quoted Dr. Makow’s article:
“I’m NOT On Putin’s Bandwagon
(New World Order = Zionism + Anti-Zionism), etc.”
Generally I respect Dr. Makow’s work in exposing the Illuminati agenda, and the magical Kabbalah effects of the NWO. Regardless of whatever branch of Zionism exists: Judeo-Zionism, Christian Zionism, Masonic Zionism of the revolutionary French Grand Orient Lodge and British-Israelism, the central tenant is possession and control of Jerusalem as utopian capital of the world, under the rule of the Great Sanhedrin, and the re-establishment of the Jew’s Antichrist Temple.
As for Putin, Makow and I will just have to agree to disagree, especially as he brings really nothing new to the table, rehashing the same crap, especially before Putin began to embrace a more Christian life of repentance (turning to God) in the late ‘90’s, and when he could be certainly described as once a typical atheistic thug with a rough upbringing, in the very unpretty world of the former USSR.
Since then (studiously avoided in the secular Western press which avoids anything having to do with Christian life), Putin and his family have spend considerable time quietly making devotional pilgrimages to monasteries, churches, inside and outside of Russia, and are much more than just “Sunday Christians”, and actively support the Church’s own social labors as well. Is there an “old Putin” and a “new Putin”? Certainly. But it’s about character change and moral growth, and not a personality change that Dr. Makow seems to demand.
He is still a very popular political leader, effected many reforms as president which are still being carried on under Medyedev, chipping away at social, economic, military and political problems, criminal corruption and practices, promotes the culture and education of forming a highly moral, dignified and cultured society, and it is the Russian people that he is answerable to, not the US.
No one needs to “jump on Putin’s bandwagon”, just know where he, and Medyedev stand. He’s already made plain many times his national and patriotic views and commitments to the recovery of Russia as a regional power, not a global power, regional stability and what the boundaries are in terms of the “near abroad”, and what is, in fact, U$$A-EU-NATO aggression.
There are many things within the pious life of a practicing Orthodox Christian and his community that simply can’t be faked, as Jews and atheists did back in the ’90’s, posing as Orthodox for gain and perks from the US Christian Zionist and Evangelical missions during the ‘90’s, which in turn wound up being busted themselves for intelligence gathering activities under the color of missionary work and links to espionage, covert weapons and contraband traffic, Red Mafia organized crime, and Soros “Open Society” cartel networks.
These fake Jews, flaunting their mockery of Faith, infuriated authentic Russian and Ukrainian Christians who had endured decades of repression by these same criminals.
Something to keep in mind is that Dr. Makow supposedly writes from a “Judeo-Christian” point of view, as he, himself, is a “self-hating” Jew, and now purportedly an evangelical Christian, and so has little apparent cultural understanding of Eastern/Russian/Catholic Christian life to begin with.
Having read through this piece it simply comes across as subjective, distorted, extremely biased, poorly substantiated, trivial and really a propaganda hitpiece, even if Dr. Makow perhaps didn’t intend it that way.
Good grief. Putin did a silly thing in public some time ago, spontaneously giving a little kid a belly raspberry, and suddenly he’s a pedophile. One of my neighbors is a single dad raising a 4-year old son, and a good father, who is both disciplined and affectionate. I’ve seen him do this when play / roughhousing with his highly energetic kid, of sweeping him up and giving the boy a belly raspberry to make him giggle, and they had a hilarious time rolling around on the floor laughing their heads off. Maybe I should call the authorities on my neighbor.
For example: How does possession of an old passport photo by someone who alleges himself himself as a “renegade” British MI6 (or MI5) intelligence and espionage agent obtained in the 70’s, prove that Putin was ever a member of Royal Arch Freemasonry, and all the rest of it, other than this guy says so, in what seems to be mostly counter-intel “legendary” fabrication?
Nowhere in the article does Dr. Makow actually present the major changes in the course of Russian history since Putin’s rise to leadership and various improvements in the social and cultural conditions as it has played out since the year 2000 when Putin was freely elected to office.
Nowhere does Dr. Makow objectively explore the vast issues of the “Russian” Jewish Oligarchs to begin with, and their deep ties to the international Jew Banksters and organized crime, most of whom fled to Israel or Great Britain with the bulk of Russia’s national wealth worth tens of billions, who pillaged and plundered Russia to begin with under Clinton’s auspices during the “privatization” (privateering) of the ‘90’s, or lay out all of the various measures through the criminal and civil courts that Russia has pursued since then.
And what purpose does it even serve to use thirty-year old information about an Russian convent in Israel, which was established centuries ago and has continually had a Russian presence of nuns since then as well as several larger churches built under the Tzars, along with numerous other Christian orders and missions, not to mention the fact that up until the last few decades fully 1/3 of the Palestinian population were Christian, mostly under the Jerusalem and Antioch Patriarchates and not Muslim, and which under a completely different regime in 1980, may, or may not have been some headquarters for the now defunct KGB?
Really, this article of Dr. Makow’s proves very little, and I might add, he’s quite the Judeo-trained dialectician himself.
Anyway, may our Lord Jesus Christ reward you.
IC XC
NI KA
Friends,
Permit me to introduce in this discussion the name of Alexander Dugin, main politolog and Geopolitic analyst for Putin’s government.
Of all the vast production of this very enigmatic person I selected a video (in Russian, unfortunately) with an english translation, below, dealing with The Old Believers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhwjU-q_zVQ&feature=related
Successors of the Byzantine Empire
Aleksandr Dugin speaks about the Old Believers
The history of Old Belief is very interesting. At the end of the XVII century (1666), in Rus, people were expecting the end of the world. They were expecting a deviation from Christian Faith and the forthcoming of Antichrist.
And when all Rus was full of these expectation, Patriarch Nikon appeared all of a sudden (who was a fine man in general, he was a member of the “bogolubs” (“those, who love
God”), he wanted to strengthen the salvational Orthodox Belief, to win over the Catholics in Lithuania and Ukraine).
But when Nikon started to implement the making of his universal Orthodox Empire under the auspices of Moscow Tsar and Moscow Patriarch, he launched a modernization. A kind of Eurovision contest to show how socking great we are.
And it’s the same: gays came (it’s invariable ) again. Arceni the Greek was a Pope legate, and they changed their belief a dozen times, those rascals: they brought sodomy, tobacco trade, started to seduce the political class. It was they who began to re-write books, spoiled all of them.
And Nikon (having flown into a rage from what he has done, but too late it was, the Greeks have already crossed him out) quarreled with Tsar and was dethroned.
And those who were opposing Nikon were the Old Believers. They were true Russian orthodox folks, successors of the Byzantine belief (orthodox church) and they were loyal to the canons, to the letter and intent of the kingdom of Moscow.
To the Russian belief that had been taken from ancients sources, from the first Christians, and that remained safe in Rus even when the Byzantine Empire collapsed.
Power (especially after the 1666 council) got into the hands of not even Nikon, but of all those Greek rascals who had come here. They organized the bloody council of 1666 and 1667, that cursed the old Russian church. It all ended with the abolition of patriarchate, the coming of Peter I, all those western reforms, that finally perverted Russian Orthodox. The Old Believers are those, who are standing on the ancient ground.
What is interesting, when, in the end of the XIX century, the pressure of the state weakened, Nikon’s followers (Kaptrin, Golybinsky) admitted the Old Believers’ ritual, historic, dogmatic rightness. And in fact, now they can’t be condemned. In 1905 they took advantage on Nikolai II’s edict of toleration and became fully exonerated.
The first declaration was in 1928 by Metropolitan Sergi, and in 1971 Old Belief was fully exonerated. In fact, that 1666 council has been our church, and he was terminated. In was crossed, such things happen.
The importance of Old Belief can not be overestimated. It is enormous. And although the Old Believers are a minority in our society, that is a real, authentic minority. It’s a real Russian valuable jewelry, that is not our elite.
Our elite was a band of foreigners, Germans. The Tatars were nice people, and the eastern
princes. We practically didn’t have a Russian elite. Who were the Slavophiles?
Just look: Aksakov, Khomyakov, Kireevsky, Tatar surnames, classical Tatar surnames. A Tatar elite. The elite consisted either of former Tatars, christened Tatars, Russian Tatars, or of Germans. Or Englishmen, the French. We didn’t have a Russian elite at all.
The Old Believers are the true, fundamental bearers of authentic Russian spirit.
So, if we want authenticity, true depth in our elite, we should seek for it in this environment, not in the environment of the degenerated noble family. It’s a frightful sight: some weirdoes arrive, saying “We are descendants of the Galitzines”. You are at sea, you think that they have either degenerated or have been like this all the time.
Probably there was a gene of degeneration, or else we wouldn’t have had the revolution, people wouldn’t have rebelled, and they did rebel. What we need is the Russian spirit and real Russian people, of whom there are not many.
The majority of the Old Believers ARE such people.
It’s a golden seed of our people, our ethnos, our culture, our religiousness.
That is why Old Belief attracts the minds of people. The church does realize the importance. Of course, members of the synod (with whom I have talked much) support the official ground that Old Belief is as salvational as the Church and its rites may be practiced. Some even vert. A strong, active part of our nation.
You will find many young people in the Old Believers’ parishes. People who went to the
official church during the Soviet era now accept Old Belief.
Those who went to Komsomol during the Soviet era, now go to the official church.
The most steady, the strongest people who care about their national identity, who remember their roots. I think that Old Belief is Russia’s future, I think that Old Belief is timely, topical as never before. It is a most profound trend in orthodoxy, it carries Ancient Rus, its spirit, its strength, its style, its moral principles.
Aleksandr Dugin
http://rossia3.ru/eng/ByzantineEmpire
Wilson,
You said:
“Germany attempted to throw off their parasitism by declaring war on them, (…)”
Actually, it was the ‘Jews’ who declared war on Germany!
From:
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html
Long before the Hitler government began restricting the rights of the German Jews, the leaders of the worldwide Jewish community formally declared war on the “New Germany” at a time when the U.S. government and even the Jewish leaders in Germany were urging caution in dealing with the new Hitler regime.
(…) Few people know the facts about the singular event that helped spark what ultimately became known as World War II – the international Jewish declaration of war on Germany shortly after Adolf Hitler came to power and well before any official German government sanctions or reprisals against Jews were carried out.
The March 24, 1933 issue of The Daily Express of London (shown above) described how Jewish leaders, in combination with powerful international Jewish financial interests, had launched a boycott of Germany for the express purpose of crippling her already precarious economy in the hope of bringing down the new Hitler regime. (…)
So when America and Canada entered the war – we fought on the side of the ‘Jews’!
We fought AGAINST another Christian nation at the behest and direction of the anti-Christ ‘Jews’!
Dear Friends,
I have already made a post and I usually do not add anything else. Today I came across these video’s and I encourage you to watch them all. They start of in Dutch I believe, but then goes into English.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8a82dp1Kqw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW5iglWt1Do&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBrgRmMEgNk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMTLMrd9c6E&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOMl5gEtoXo&feature=related
And this is what happened today in the stock market:
http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/04/markets/markets_newyork/index.htm
I know most of you know what is happening, but since B.N. said there are over 800,000 hits, I am sure this info might help someone.
God Bless You all
since I aways end my post with “The true Israel etc etc”, I will end today with:
The name for the people of Israel was –
“Ho Hagios Laos”
Paul
God Bless
We were not fighting another Christian nation, PS, we were fighting Hitler. The Jews controlled BOTH sides.
They would not have financed both sides of the war unless they were in control of both sides.
They were not alone, as this website seems to suggest, but they were and are in partnership with FREEMASONRY.
This nonsense about Jews this, and Jews that; on their own they are not that powerful, but work in partnership with freemasonry, which recruits from – among the so called ‘gentiles’ -, and promotes people to, the highest positions of power.
This group is at least as numerous, insidious and malignant, if not more so, and comprises most of those who attend Bohemian Grove.
This partnership will not be stopped by any other than prayer.
The so called alternative media never highlights it…..blindly sliding from an attack on one to an attack on the other, without ever putting the two pieces together, without which neither would be effective, thus becoming an effective opposition to it, and they would both fall under the weight of popular opinion and belief if nothing else.
This then is why they allow sites such as this but close down those that connect the two dots: not rocket science, just two dots.
They are mortified of this partnership leaking out to the societal conciousness and go to great lengths to suppress knowledge of it…..for example, have you heard of it before this…..how about in the context of world control?
I think not. Will you do anything about it?
Maybe not.
Its like a sorcerer (did I say LIKE?)
Who has a key to the vault wherein he keeps his magical arts. but this key is in two parts which he keeps separate and secret so that no one else is able to find and join them together. Often people stumble on one half of the key and go away and write about it, thinking themselves, oh so important for their discovery.
Other come along and stumble on the second part of the key, thinking it is the whole key and go away and boast about their discovery.
When they are gone however, the magician puts the two parts of the key together and goes ahead and opens the safe.
KathJulianne,
Dr Henry Makow is not a ‘JudeoChristian’ nor does he identify as a JudeoChristian (a nonsense term).
your characterisation of him as a ‘self hating Jew’ is false.
He identifies as “I am an assimilated Jew”.
He has never made any Thoreauvian bones about this. He is concerned that ‘Big Jewry’ is ramping up hatred for ‘disorganized Jewry’ within the Gentile community. He writes from the ethical standpoint of the Top Ten.
His book The Illuminati: the Cult that Hijacked the World (which you should purchase and read) makes a special contribution because it does not neglect the subject of Sabbatean / Frankist Satanism and it lays out the Agentur.
He has acknowledged many times that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is the blueprint.
In his columns he uses the precise terms such as JudeoMasonry. The same terms as Catholic discourse. He collectively calls the Jewish banking cartel and its political organization together with its Agentur: the Illuminati.
This is a shorthand, but for those who read his columns the content of ‘the Illuminati’ is certainly accounted for.
Since The City and international finance: the Jewish Federal Reserve System of the West and their subsidiaries are Dr Makow’s special province, I am sure the Jewish Oligarchs aka the Russian Mafia are in his sights.
They controlled The Party under the Soviet, I see no reason to assume they do not control the Russian resurgance as deep background. In terms of the ‘clash of civilization script’ this makes perfect sense.
If what I said was not correct, why was it then, that in Soviet times in Russia the mention of the word Jew, who to the authorities, were on the whole simply useful idiots, would not get you in trouble, from the eyes and ears of a network of informers, but the simple mention of the word Freemason would land you in a gulag?
It was because they were mortified of exposure. The works of darkness are best carried out in secret….
Maybe thats why Our Lady appeared to three little shepherd children in Portugal, and not 3 Russian children in Moscow…..how long would they have lasted?
As it was they had a dangerous time from the Masonic mayor.
Dear Lynda and KathJuliane,
Putin reminds me of Thomas Beckett. He lived a worldly life as a tough pragmatist serving the whims of a foreign despot, but then when put in titular charge of a duty, as Beckett was made Archbishop of Canterbury, he took on the role in earnest as a true servant of God.
Beckett and Putin are the same type, in my view. And it is only Putin’s genuine ‘street creds’ which keep him in power by an overwhelming electoral popularity. As I stated earlier, Putin probably doesn’t get to go inspect Russia’s space ‘cosmodrome’ hangar.
But it seems that to Henry Makow, even Putin’s best isn’t enough to convince him that he is truly from the heart. Apparently, according to Makow the true litmus test is Putin’s chest hairs. Anyone in such a role as president of Russia, who lacks chest hair, isn’t the real deal. LOL!
And I did read Makow as saying “Judeo-Christian” look here:
http://www.savethemales.ca/playboy_lucifer_will_launch_be.html
“Evidently this psy-op is about substituting a Luciferian narrative — the Urantia Book — for the Bible. It is about shifting the moorings of Western civilization from Judeo-Christian to occult foundations.”
Here Makow uses ‘Judeo-Christian’ as a descriptor for western civilization. But in the same breath he is debunking the subtle propaganda of ‘The Urantia Book’, which shows that he is, himself, no fool.
I like Henry Makow too, but we all have our blind spots. Don’t I prove that?
Peace in Christ.
Dear Charlie,
Yes, they would really think we were tilting windmills when we announced the launch of Real Dirty Molesting Freemason Creeps Right in Your Town News.
Let’s see, how long would that blog stay up?
Charlie,
You’re just arguing for the sake of arguing now I think… I’m really not into that – but I’ll reply anyway because I think we need to talk about this.
You said, “We were not fighting another Christian nation”…
Oh really? Was Germany a Muslim nation then? Buddhist?? Hindu??
The PEOPLE (including Hitler) were Christian. To what extent is arguable, I agree – but they definitely considered themselves to be Christian (even if it was only nominally)…
Check out this painting:
http://yougotjesus.com/HitlerMaryWithJesus.jpg
You also said, “They were not alone, as this website seems to suggest, but they were and are in partnership with FREEMASONRY.”
‘Jews’ CREATED Freemasonry!! Freemasonry is based on Kaballah – so any ‘Gentile’ Freemasons ARE NOT on an equal footing with the ‘Jews’ – they are used & CONTROLLED BY THEM!!
Then you come with:
“This nonsense about Jews this, and Jews that; on their own they are not that powerful, but work in partnership with freemasonry,(…)”
Charlie – I think thou dost protest too much! The Rothschilds are ALL POWERFUL!! They control very nearly EVERYTHING now!!
HOW can you say they “are not that powerful”?? The ULTIMATE power in this world is MONEY!!
And the ‘Jewish’ Rothschilds and their ‘Jewish ‘ilk have more money than ANYONE else on this earth!! The Freemasons are nothing more than well-paid ‘useful idiots’ if you ask me.
Those who ‘attend’ Bohemian Grove do so – because they are TOLD to do so, because it is profitable to do so!… Just like Obama and Bush did what they were TOLD!
Then the ‘Hidden Hand’ purposely let Alex ‘Mookie’ Jones in there to take all of their pictures and draw attention to those ‘attendees’ and especially to the fact that “THEY aren’t Jews!”…
How come the Rothschilds aren’t on the ‘Fortune 500’ or any other lists of the world’s richest?? They are TRILLIONAIRES!!
You think you have ‘connected the dots’… but you’re thinking in two dimensions. This thing is more like a pyramid – and ‘Jewry’ is at the TOP of that pyramid!
This proven formula is proudly displayed on the U.S. dollar bill (and MANY, MANY other places) as the ‘all-seeing eye’ depicted as the cornerstone – usurping Jesus’ position as the TRUE cornerstone (Who the builders rejected) bringing ‘light’ (Lucifer – the ‘light-bearer’) and ‘liberty’ to the ‘nations’ (‘Gentiles’).
So much of what we in the West THINK we “know” about Hitler and WWII was told to us by the ‘Jews’ who now control our media and education systems and strive to keep us in the dark.
I think we are told that Hitler was financed by ‘Jews’ in order to take away any martyric, heroic feelings that we might have otherwise felt about him and what he was doing when we (inevitably) started to figure things out and see through their lies.
I have even seen some people suggest that Hitler himself WAS a ‘Jew’!! The idea is completely ridiculous if you ask me – but some people believe it.
My take on it is: If people find out what ‘Jews’ are up to (‘Protocols’)… they might start to think Hitler was actually a good guy… even seeing him as a hero who almost saved the world from the Rothschilds and ‘International Jewry’…
The easiest way to shut that down is simply to suggest that Hitler WAS a ‘Jew’ (or at least that He was financed by them, and did their bidding)!
If I understand what worldwide ‘Jewry’ is up to… then thinking Hitler was one of ‘THEM’ will make SURE that I never think of him as someone who was one of us – someone who almost saved us from the ‘Jews’ & their usury…
I will automatically dismiss him and everything he did as “just part of the dialectic (‘Jewish’) plan”.
This is also what they have done with Jesus Christ!! (NO – I am NOT comparing Hitler to Jesus!) Again – if I become aware of the ongoing agenda of the ‘Jews’ – and Jesus Christ is my hero –
Then I am told by some Judaized evangelical ‘priest’ that Jesus was ALSO a ‘Jew’, and not only that – but Christianity itself was CREATED by ‘Jews’… indeed that the entire Bible was written by ‘Jews’…
In many cases this has turned people AWAY from Christianity because the idea falsely equates the ‘Jews’ of today with Christ (which is – of course nonsense)! The ‘Jews’ (Pharisees) of today have NO connection to the ‘Jews’ (Judahites) of Jesus’ ancestry.
Occam’s razor tells us that if something doesn’t make any sense – then it most likely IS NOT TRUE!!
And to me – ‘Jews’ financing Hitler makes NO SENSE!
First of all – Germany was PRINTING THEIR OWN MONEY at that time… They had gone from having the worst economy in the world – to having the STRONGEST economy in the world in less than five years!
So what need of ‘Jewish’ money would they have?? They had gotten to where they were financially – by DESTOYING the status-quo ‘Jewish’ run banking institutions!
Here’s an excerpt from the transcript of the 1938 NKVD interrogation of C.G. Rakowsky (a.k.a Chaim Rakeover)…
“(Hitler) took over for himself the privilege of manufacturing money and not only physical moneys, but also financial ones; he took over the untouched machinery of falsification and put it to work for the benefit of the (German) state…
Are you capable of imagining what would have come …if it had infected a number of other states and brought about the creation of a period of autarchy [absolute rule, replacing that of the bankers]. If you can, then imagine its counterrevolutionary functions…”
Germany had to be destroyed! Not because they wanted to ‘take over the world’ – but because once people saw the national success that came with severing the usurious yoke of ‘Jewish’ banking… The financial revolution would be unstoppable!!
This is the same reason that Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy also had to go… Once we get free from their USURY – we will never go back! And they know it!
Charlie,
You also said:
“If what I said was not correct, why was it then, that in Soviet times in Russia the mention of the word Jew, who to the authorities, were on the whole simply useful idiots, would not get you in trouble, from the eyes and ears of a network of informers, but the simple mention of the word Freemason would land you in a gulag?”
I’m sorry – but that’s just not true!
Check out this quote from Joseph ‘Stalin’ (whose REAL name was Joseph David Djugashvili):
“Communists cannot be anything but outspoken enemies of anti-Semitism.
We fight anti-Semites by the strongest methods in the Soviet Union.
Active anti-Semites are punished by DEATH under law.”
– Quoted from an interview with the Jewish Telegraph Angency (1931)
And ‘Stalin’ had also changed his last name to ‘Kochba’ for a time during his ‘revolutionary’ days…
INTERESTING name choice, don’t you think??
Bar Kochba was the name of the leader of an anti-Roman ‘Jewish’ uprising in Judea shortly after Christ’s time!
‘Stalin’ had also tried to enter the Orthodox Church, but soon gave up… I believe they (fake ‘Jews’) found that they would have a much harder time trying to change anything in the Orthodoxy (compared to the Vatican)- because Orthodox refuse to change anything!
Prodigal Son
While I read this your posting on Hitler I remembed the first and foremost postulate that should guide an interested person:
Documental proof.
In the case of the Rothschild financing of Hitler through Harriman Brs-Bush-Thyssen there is no question about documental authenticity.
You may read all pertinent data here:
George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography
By Webster Griffin Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin
http://tarpley.net/online-books/george-bush-the-unauthorized-biography/
May I ask if you believe in Red Revolution having been financed by the same bankers (this time through Kunh-Loeb, N.Y.) whence they gave the astonishing sum of U$S 20 millions to Trotsky(Bronstein) and his fellow bandits to go to Russia via Canada?
To have an idea, depending which indexer you use, those U$S 20 millions become…more than U$S 1,800 million in current money!!
To admire Hitler in any way to me is anathema, see he was the instrument and excecutor of a fantastic criminal enterprise jointly with Churchill, the assassin/arsonist Stalin (no apologies possible) and Roosevelt.
They allowed Hitler to print their own money just to cover their backs.
Remember, Prodigal, that the BIS (Bank of International Settlements ) was created in …1930 with the Hitler’s banker being BIS president.
Doesn’t seem strange to you, Prodigal?
Any feeling we as Christians have in the sense of violently getting rid off the Jews is sin.
Extermination, forced labor, etc, to sustain an war effort is a sin and anti-human.
To show neglect and dislike to other fellows because of race is a sin and anti-human.
Hitler was a PAGAN not a Christian, Prodigal, this is well documented!!
While we must not consider the Nazi Germany “occult” (that is bull….), it was certainly “mystic” (Thule et al.).
Fantastic delusions of white superiority, Hyperboreal dreams …like Russian ARCTOGAIA, isn’t it, Prodigal?
I agree with Charlie, we must put more into FREEMASONRY research and the protection offered to so many “freedom fighters” in the INTERNET. You are right, masonry and kabbalah and the Jews are intermingled.
Prodigal Son
Now I can read your last post on Stalin, indeed it was one of the first acts of the ruling troika with Lenin at it head to consider any expression of “anti-semitism” punishable with death.
Stalin just remember those laws.
Your words:
“‘Stalin’ had also tried to enter the Orthodox Church, but soon gave up… I believe they (fake ‘Jews’) found that they would have a much harder time trying to change anything in the Orthodoxy (compared to the Vatican) – because Orthodox refuse to change anything!”
Please, Orthodoxy during Stalin is a minefield you might not consider discussing here.
Please stop bashing Catholic Faith!
Dear Prodigal Son,
VERY convincing rebuttal, you have stated with clarity what I have always suspected about Hitler.
NEW BILL ALLOWS RUSSIAN TROOPS TO BE DEPLOYED ABROAD
10 November 2009
From:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/38970-new-bill-allows-russian-troops-deployed-abroad.html
“Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has approved an amended law that will allow the use of Russian armed forces abroad.
The amended law will allow Russian armed forces anywhere in the world to protect Russian citizens from armed attack and to rebuff the attack on Russian military units located outside Russia.
Prior to the amendment, the law only allowed the president to send armed forces to fight terrorism on foreign territories.
In addition, the law guarantees help for foreign countries defending or preventing armed attacks by proper request, and helps to ensure safe navigation for anti-piracy measures.”
Charlie wrote:
“This nonsense about Jews this, and Jews that; on their own they are not that powerful, but work in partnership with Freemasonry, which recruits from – among the so called ‘Gentiles’ -, and promotes people to, the highest positions of power. This group is at least as numerous, insidious and malignant, if not more so, and comprises most of those who attend Bohemian Grove.”
The “Freemasons,” as I see it, may still exist in reality as a small clique, but they’re really a metaphor for the massive body of Gentiles (of both Right and Left) willing to sell their soul to collaborate with Judeofascism against the Christian ethos in exchange for temporal rewards.
http://www.judeofascism.com/2010/02/how-judeofascism-co-opts-even-anti.html
For example, are the dispensational Christian Zionists all Freemasons, or mostly just under-developed, blinkered idiots? On the Left, are the Judeophile liberals and Leftists Freemasons, or just suffering from arrested development and indoctrination?
This is a very fluid category, as many of these will, as they mature and gain insight, eventually see the error of their ways and turn against the Judeofascist force. Others will live out their entire lives as collaborators, either literally or spiritually.
PS: Interesting passage I came across from a Jewish source (Tablet magazine) confirming how crypto-Jews who had ostensibly converted to Islam (Dönme) but were waging a secret war of subversion joined forces with Freemasons of yore in Turkey:
“Most important, several Dönme were leading members of the Committee for Union and Progress, the revolutionary party known as the Young Turks, who in 1908 forced the Sultan to grant a constitution. The Dönme, like Jews and Freemasons, sympathized with the CUP’s scientific, reformist program, though Baer emphasizes that the CUP was not a Dönme party—any more than the Russian Bolsheviks, though they included many Jews, were a Jewish party. Even so, some prominent Young Turks were Dönme, including the editor of the Party’s newspaper and the finance minister in the new CUP government.”
http://www.judeofascism.com/2010/02/for-opportunistic-zionists-recognition.html
To all:
WALL STREET AND THE BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION, By Antony C. Sutton
(The partnership between international monopoly capitalism and international socialism)
http://www.libertariantoday.com/search?q=bolshevik+revolution
From Wikipedia: Sutton’s next three major published books Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler and Wall Street and FDR detailed Wall Street’s involvement in the Russian Revolution as well as its decisive contributions to the rise of Adolf Hitler and Franklin Delano Roosevelt. His books became classics in the study of covert politics and economics in the twentieth century. In Sutton’s own words he was “persecuted but never prosecuted” for his research and subsequent publication of his findings.
Jews (International Jews) declared economic war (and media war) on Germany before Germany boycotted Jewish businesses.
Economic sanctions. A tactic also used effectively on Iraq.
Now economic sanctions are “needed” against Iran, so they say.
Chris Moore, I am not talking about the rank and file Freemason, who like the rank and file Jew is merely a useful idiot.
I am talking about a highly organized, infuential and powerful group of Gentiles who, along with powerful Jews, control all powerful positions in society. Together they control the world, and when I say control I do not mean simply manage but are progressively devolving it into an institutionalized satanic nightmare.
If you are not aware of this how can you offer prayers to God to save your soul from the precarious events about to unfold, as mentioned in the apocalypse?
Things will only get better after they have gotten much worse. Heads will roll.
Prodigal Son,
Occam’s razor tells us: “the simplest explanation that accounts for all the facts suffices”.
I take your point about the thesis that Hitler was a Jew, the ‘father of Israel’ etc.
The fact that he printed the Reichsmark and this was real German money not loaned at interest from Jewish Monopoly Capital but backed by the productivity of the German nation argues in favour of your statements.
I think their is a lot of evidence that Hitler and his gov’t were occultists who maintained a Christian facade. Many, many Catholics perished under the Reich because they opposed the Nazi policies of euthanizing the unfit (many of whom were cared for in Catholic institutions) and also the Nazi racialist policies.
Prodigal – “the Orthodox”- Son hit the nail on the head.
There is no better way to confuse people than making people believe that Hitler was financed by the Jews and thus part of the same conspiracy.
All these legends come from the book by a certain “Sidney Warburg” entitled “Hitler’s secret backers” (originally published in 1933 in Holland as “De Geldbronnen van Het Nationaal-Socialisme. Drie Gesprekken Met Hitler”).
The book was probably written by a member of the Warburg family (“Sidney” never existed) after being rebuked by Hitler on their attempts to buy him. Mocking them, Hitler demanded such large sums of money that these evil Jews were not able to provide. It is worth noting that these meetings were arranged by Freemason Hjalmar Schacht (initiated in the old-prussian lodge “Urania zur Unsterblichkeit” in Berlin), and that Hitler may have not been initially aware that the Jews were behind it.
The book by Antony C. Sutton doesn’t add anything new to this legend. Sutton goes to some lengths to explain how some American companies had ties to Nazi-Germany. Many of these Americans were non-Jews and even enemies of the Jews, such as Henry Ford.
Sutton refers to Max Warburg as part of the board of directors of IG Farben, but fails to mention that the Warburg Bank was “Aryanized” in May 1938, ending a 150-year-old Jewish dynasty. Max Warburg himself had to leave Germany and died in the US in 1946. See:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n5p33_Weir.html
Is this compatible with a ”Hitler financed by the Jews”?
Further facts that supporters of this myth should think about:
– Why would the Jews impose a severe boycott of German goods, as they did in the thirties, if Hitler was “their man”?
– How comes it that Germany fought against THE REAL centers of Jewish power at the time, namely Jewish savage capitalism (New York-London) and Bolshevism ?
– Why was Hitler THE ONLY LEADER OF HIS TIME to denounce the Jews by name?
– Why was Jewish and Mason power UPROOTED from government and all centers of power in Germany?
The German economic miracle between the wars was made possible by German work, and by a unique financial policy based on this work and not speculation which was the real threat to Jewish hegemony.
jgalindes:
“Any feeling we as Christians have in the sense of violently getting rid off the Jews is sin.”
I agree with you, but you seem to be buying into the Holohoax religion. Yes there was violence against Jews in Germany, but nothing different to what happened during other conflicts.
And remember: concentration camps were invented by the English and applied by Winston Churchill for the first time in South Africa against the Boers (especially women and children). And the first concentration camps in European soil were built by the Soviets.
You say that National-Socialism was not Christian in its roots, and I cannot agree more. This is what DOOMED National-Socialism and Germany. The logical explanation for Germany’s fall from grace is that it drifted away from Jesus Christ.
That was Hitler’s CARDINAL MISTAKE.
Greetings in our Lord Jesus, Michael K and RZN family,
This seems to be about as pragmatic and plainspoken as it gets.
FACTBOX: Russia’s new military doctrine
05/02/2010
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20100205/157786616.html
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has approved the country’s new military doctrine which includes the option of using nuclear strikes against potential aggressors.
According to Russian officials, the adjustment of the country’s military doctrine was prompted by real threats and challenges facing Russia.
The following are important points from the document posted on the Kremlin’s website:
* The existing architecture of global security, including its mechanisms based on international law, does not ensure the equal security of all nations
* Russia is facing an increased military threat from several directions
Some of the main external threats:
* Attempts to expand NATO military infrastructure closer to Russian borders
* Deployment (or expansion) of foreign military contingents on territories neighboring Russia or its allies
* Development and deployment of missile defense systems which undermine global stability and disrupt the strategic balance of power, militarization of space and deployment of non-nuclear precision strategic weapons
* Territorial claims against Russia and its allies
* The use of military force on territories neighboring Russia in violation of the UN Charter and other norms of international law
* The spread of global terrorism
Russia’s military policy
* The main goal of the Russian Federation is to prevent a nuclear conflict as well as any other military conflict
* Russia retains the right to use nuclear weapons in response to an attack against it or its allies with nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction, or in response to an aggression with the use of conventional weapons
* Russia may use precision weapons systems for deterrence
* Russia may send troops abroad to protect its national interests or its citizens in line with norms of international law, international agreements and federal legislation
* The main tasks of the Russian Armed Forces during a time of war are to repel any aggression against Russia and its allies, to defeat the aggressor and to force it to stop military actions on conditions that meet the interests of the Russian Federation and its allies
Who should fear Russia’s new military doctrine?
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20091023/156567212.html
MOSCOW, October 23 (2009 RIA Novosti) – Countries that do not threaten Russia have no reason to fear its new military doctrine, the Russian foreign minister said on Friday.
The new document envisions the use of preemptive nuclear strikes against potential aggressors.
“This process [drafting of a new military doctrine] is transparent. We have repeatedly provided explanations, and it is an ongoing process,” Sergei Lavrov said.
“There are no innovations here that would create any threats to anybody – that is, except for those who may be harboring insane plans of attacking the Russian Federation. I hope no one has such plans or ever will,” he said.
Nikolai Patrushev, secretary of the Russian Security Council, said Thursday the new doctrine should be submitted to President Dmitry Medvedev by the end of the year.
The current military doctrine outlines the role of the Russian military in ensuring the defense of the country and, if necessary, preparing for and waging war, although it stresses that the doctrine is strictly defensive.
Some Russian military analysts, however, have questioned the need to revise the existing doctrine.
Alexander Sharavin, director of the Institute for Political and Military Analysis, said on October 14 that the current document stipulates the use of nuclear weapons only in large-scale wars when an aggressor has an overwhelming superiority over Russia in men and materiel.
“I think that the provision contained in the 2000 document is comprehensive enough and need not be expanded because nuclear weapons are a political tool and an element of the strategic deterrent. If we announce that we will use these weapons in a local conflict, we will thus belittle its role,” he said.
Greetings all.
I decided to add this info after reading the last 2 days of comments.
I have many friends in high positions and I get “briefed” often by friends in higher places. Trust me there are many in these positions that do not trust nor support the current administration.
GEORGIA WAS COERCED INTO ATTACKING SOUTH OSSETIA BY THE JEWS.
SOMEONE (AND YOU KNOW WHO) WAS PAID VERY WELL TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS. MANY WELL PAID MERCENARIES FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD WERE PAID VERY WELL TO JOIN IN THIS ATTACK.
MANY OF THESE MERCENARIES WERE ALSO KILLED BY THE EXPERTLY TRAINED RUSSIAN FORCES. MANY OF THE DEAD MERCENARIES WERE TRANSPORTED TO SPECIAL AREAS.
BEST FORENSICS WERE APPLIED TO FIND THE IDENTITY OF THESE INDIVIDUALS. MANY OF THESE MERCENARIES WERE FOUND TO BE CONNECTED/WORKED FOR THE ISRAELI/U.S. COVERT OPS.
Chris Moore,
The Freemasons are a lot more than a small clique of Gentiles.
Catholic discourse in the approbated Catholic media (prior to the robber council of vatican II) always employed the term ‘JudeoMasonry’ to characterize the covert organisation that is antiChrist.
This reflects the usage in The Protocols of Zion which speaks of ‘the Agentur’ or ‘our Agentur’. In this usage Agentur designates more than a mere agency or proxy. Rather it is the entire network of angencies, operatives under discipline and their collaborators, useful idiots, ‘porch brethern’ embedded at all levels of the institutions and nations targeted for subversion and revolution.
The Grand Orient Lodge of France was established by the Rothschilds. The foundation of the Mother Lodge was laid in Paris just prior to the Revolution inaugurated 1789. All the great Revolutionaries that destroyed nations and instituted republics were alumni of the Grand Orient: Lenin, Trotsky, Garabaldi, Mazzinni (who also created the Italian Cosa Nostra as a front for Jewish control of the underworld). All Grand Orient.
Therefore it should be of interest that the Grand Orient of the U.S.A. has received a patent of authority from the Mother Lodge in France “to work in the USA” – signed July 4, 2008. And they will be building new lodges for “their work” in the following American cities:
New York; Washington; Savanna, Ga; Cleveland, OH; Grand Rapids, MI; Los Angeles; Phoenix, AZ; Atlanta, GA; Mobile, Alabama.
Nine Lodges. Nine is a very significant number to occultists.
So what work exactly will they be doing? Soup kitchens for the destitute as American wealth is looted wholesale by the Jewish Money Trusts and Monopoly Capital? I am sure stuff like that will be the facade.
Follow the GOUSA on the Burning Taper
http://burningtaper.wordpress.com/2008/07/06/gousa-receives-patent-from-grand-orient-de-france
In Humanum Genus, Pope Leo XIII ratified all the denunciations of his predecessor Pope Pius IX against Freemasonry.
“…the partisans of evil are coming together, and to be struggling with united vehemence, led on or assisted by that strongly organized and widespread assoc called the Freemasons.
No longer making any secret of their purposes, they are now boldly rising up against God Himself.
They are planning the destruction of Holy Church publicly and openly and this with the set purpose of utterly despoiling the nations of Christendom, if it were possible of the blessing obtained for us through Jesus Christ our Saviour…
At so urgent a crisis, when so fierce and so pressing an onslaught is made upon the Christian name, it is Our office to point out the danger, to mark who are the adversaries, and to the best of Our power to make head against their plans and devices, that those may not perish whose salvation is committede to Us..”
Humanum Genus, April 20, 1884. Pope Leo XIII.
Pope Leo XIII writes here as the one whom the Council of Chalcedon designates: “the Custodian of the Vine” – for Christians who adhere to Councils of the Church. His words are even more true today than they were in the 19th century
So their Revolution inaugurated 1789 rolls on. The throne and altar of the entire Christendom has now been thrown down, the Church is in Eclipse, now they are going for their democratic republics (which according to The Protocols were just transitional jobs anyway) created to deceive the populace with democratic charades and demoralize them with liberalism and the granting of rights to “every error”. This prior to their intention to stamp out “even the Christian idea” as The Protocols of Zion states.
But wait they need Christian nations for their “clash of civilizations” script.
It would be good to read here some episcopal statements from the East upon the menace of Freemasonry as the hammerstroke of the Revolution fell particularly hard there.
While growing numbers of Christian faithful in Russia publicly bearing witness to their piety is very edifying, I do not believe that their 900 year old church has been restored in terms of the Succession they had from the Apostles and from that Succession all the sacramental life.
Norseman.
I do not think the war chest of Germany was financed by Germany alone given its crippling war reparations and economic devastation after WWI. Get real.
You ask why the Jews would loan him money if they declared an economic boycott.
Naive.
The whole point of the crippling and insulting war reparations, the economic boycott AND the war chest financing was exactly to drive Hitler to war.
Are you forgetting the Talmudic/Freemasonic plan for three world wars?
Nazi is short for Ashkenazi (the word denotes ‘prince’).
The swastica was an ancient Jewish war banner.
Hitler may not have been aware of the above but his (and your?) string pullers certainly were.
Charlie,
Germany could never have bailed from the reparations imposed upon that valiant white nation at the Treaty of Versailles – if Germany had continued to issue a currency borrowed at interest from Jewish Monopoly Capital – namely the Warburg Bank.
When Hitler began to print the Reichmark, the productivity of the German people easily lifted the nation out of that bottomless pit and into the economic success.
Germany had a manufacturing base. People will pay them for German goods. I still have in my possession an old saucepan from my German Grandmother made in Germany during the Depression. It is real stainless steel. A magnet will fix on it. You can use it on the bar-be-que, on the stove. It has weight and a solid oak handle that never heats up even when the pan is sitting in flame. You can’t buy anything like that today.
If you want a real stainless steel saucepan from even the best stores, you go in with your magnet and the stuff they advertise as ‘stainless’ steel won’t even hold a magnet. Its an alloy.
Imagine an American manufacturing base for the hydrogen engine. It will never happen as long as America can not print its own currency backed by the resources and productivity of the American people.
America is in the same bottomless pit with the Fed as Germany was under the Versailles Treaty. And the end result will be the same.
BoTheExMarine,
I agree with you. Georgia is a ZOG and sets squarely on the land mass of ancient Khazaria.
Saakashvili is in the grip of the puppetmasters. He was coerced and silenced. Unable to verbally communicate with his fellow Georgians about the real gitgo, he used the now famous body language and creatively ate is tie.
The present charade is that Georgia has now gained its independence from the Soviet and now provides a democratic political charade for the peasants.
The necktie is a Masonic symbol – the noose of the hanged man. It signifies someone who is a owned, set up and given his job. As his Masters pulled his chain. He ate it.
That’s a lot more than bonesman George W did for America.
Dear Charlie,
I take offense at your suggestion that someone is “pulling my strings”. This is an unnecessary ad-hominem offense. I hope that only Jesus Christ is pulling my strings…
To your information:
National-Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter-Partei (NSDAP)
Socialists were (and still are called “Sozis” in Germany. Thus comes the term “Nazi” (“National-Sozi”, by contraction “Nazi”).
Houston Stewart Chamberlain insisted that Nazi may have been linked by the Jews to “the Nazarene”, but the opposite way as you suggest, as an insult. Prince is usually written “Nasi” and not Nazi.
How rich do you think that America would be if you shut down speculation, all sort of financial manoeuvres by the Jews and destroy the Fed? This is exactly what happened in Germany. They had SIX MILLION unemployed, which in a few years were all working for the Reich.
Something similar happened after World War II. Germany rose from ruins thanks to the tremendous work and will power of the German people. It was not the Marshall Plan alone, other countries (like Britain) received more money and were still bankrupt long after the war.
If the Germans were just Jew-puppets, how do you explain that all post-war extermination plans, such as the Morgenthau and the Kaufman plans, were directed against the Germans? Only the efforts of real Christian American patriots could prevent this from effectively being carried out.
Finally: how do you explain that the brain-washing and “re-education” of Germans has been the most virulent of all? Did Germans think in a way after WW II that was dangerous to Jews?
To be able to untangle the unprecedented conspiracy strangling mankind we must differentiate, we cannot throw everything in the same bin. For truth’s sake.
Interesting PS about the self financing of economic recovery as the reason for the Jewish boycott. Makes sense.
I’m learning all the time.
Does not take away from the fact that additional finance and capital was supplied not for economic recovery but specifically for rearmament (how about fuel for a start, and IBMs input as well as heavy machinery – not all of which came from the Rhur).
We are not talking about mere economic recovery, but the building of a giant war machine, in a very short time, which was capable of taking on the whole world. this is where the International financiers came in.
Lets not elevate the Germans to superhero status, by saying they did this all on their own.
Also the allied powers knew what was going on in contravention of the Versailles treaty – ie German rearmament and did nothing to stop it, although they could have quite easily, rather, they funded it in large part.
No they too were being contolled and led by Jewry, through Freemasonry down the path to war.
@Lynda
I think we can all name some American products that have been made well and have lasted through time. We have had a Sears refrigerator for 38 years and only disposed of it because it looked outdated and not because it didn’t work…
We are all on a learning curve here, Charlie.
It would be interesting to look into the idea that once The City and their N.Y. subsidiary saw that Germany would break through the shackles they had bound on that they tried to get in on the German resurgence through finance in hopes of gaining some control.
This is speculation on my part. But it could open a new line of inquiry into covert history.
‘Get real’ ,’naieve’ ‘and yours?’
Apologies Norseman for my dumb mouth.
‘Nasi’, ‘nazi’. I forgot to mention these are interchangeable and they wanted to emphasize the central role of Z-ionism in the platform of the Nazi Party, so they could sit around their Kabbala magic runes or roll around on the floor of their covens and have a fit of satanic laughter.
Interesting page on Official Symbols, meanings and interpretations, and their historical evolutions throughout various periods of Russian history.
http://en.rian.ru/symbols
And while we all ponder ‘The New World Disorder”, a glimpse at the far older history of the interactions between two great powers – America and Russia – of the last half of the twentieth century ranged from a close and mutually beneficial understanding, diplomatic, political, economic and religio-cultural friendship shaped by neighborly Christian foundations, Russian America (Alaska) and Orthodox missionary work on North American soil, and later to intense hostility, yet they never fought directly against each other.
http://www.answers.com/topic/relations-with-united-states
Especially interesting on the site is the revived Tricolor and St. George’s Ribbon.
The tricolor’s red, blue and white now stand for the unity of the army, civilians and the Church.
Emperor Peter the Great established it as the national standard in 1699, preferring what was the banner of the merchant marine to several hundred other flags as its heraldry symbolised peace and friendship.
On January 20, 1705 he issued an edict decreeing that every merchant ship must hoist the white blue and red flag. He made the drawing himself, and determined the order of the horizontal bands. At that time, the three colors were each given an official interpretation.
Red meant “great power,” blue represented Virgin Mary standing guard over Russia, and white was the color of freedom and independence. They also implied the union of White, Minor and Greater Russias.
[The wonderworking “Reigning” Icon of the Mother of God revealed itself to the Russian Orthodox people on 2/15 March 1917 in the village of the Kolomna, near Moscow, two months prior to the first apparition at Fatima.]
“Soon after the tragic abdication of the Throne by Tsar Emperor Nicholas Alexandrovich, [Norseman – He and Kaiser Wilhelm were cousins] which took place on March 2, 1917, throughout Russia extended the news, that namely on this day, in the village of Kolomskoye in the vicinity of Moscow (at 6 versts from the Daniel entrance) there took place the miraculous revelation of an old/new icon of the Virgin Mother of God, called the “Reigning One”, for the reason that the Queen of Heaven was depicted on this icon as the earthly Queen.”
“Knowing the exclusive strength of faith and prayer of Tsar Nicholas II and His particularly reverent honoring of the Mother of God (let us recall the Sobor-Church of the Theodore icon of the Mother of God in the Tsarskoye Selo), – we may not doubt that it was he who succeeded through prayer in having the Mother of God take upon Herself the Supreme Royal authority over the people, who renounced their Tsar Anointed one.
“And the Mother of God came into the “Home of the Virgin Mother of God” that had been prepared for Her by the whole of Russian history, in the most difficult moments of life of the God chosen people, in the moment of its greatest fall, and took upon Herself the succession of authority of the Russian empire, when the idea itself of the Orthodox Supreme National Tsardom had been trampled in favor of satanic tyranny…”. – Professor Ivan M. Andreyev
http://www.serfes.org/royal/miracle4.htm ]
“The flag of the Russian monarchy came back onto its own with a parliamentary decree of August 22, 1991.
At present the current and most often used (unofficial) interpretation of the colors is as follows: white means peace, purity, and perfection; blue means faith, fidelity and constancy; and red symbolizes energy, power, and the blood spilled for the Fatherland.”
Dear JGalindes,
Hello my friend! I hope you are well…
First – let me state unequivocally: I am not a racist and I do not agree with ANY ideas of racial supremacy of one group over another. Aside from the pigmentation of our skin – we are all created equal in the likeness of God.
Having said that, we must understand that all of the Nazis’ policies with regards to eugenicism were not of their own invention. The practice of eugenics was pioneered largely in the U.S. & Canada. These ideas (which we now know to be ridiculous) were – sadly widespread at the time and passed off as ‘science’.
Regarding the financing of Hitler… We cannot lose sight of ‘The Transfer Agreement’, which meant (paradoxically) that the Zionists of the day (a minority) and the Nazis co-operated in their efforts to get the ‘Jews’ to emigrate to Palestine.
This is the reason for any financing derived from the international body of ‘Jews’. Hitler and the Germans wanted all of the ‘Jews’ (who were viewed as a dangerous 5th column inside of Germany after the Versailles Treaty and the revelation of the traitorous Balfour Declaration) OUT of Germany…
Which was the same objective the Zionists had in mind – for all ‘Jews’ to go to Palestine. So – for a time, the Nazis & the Zionists worked together to get ‘Jews’ OUT of Germany and IN to Palestine. The German ship which carried ‘Jews’ to Palestine flew the Swastika and the (so-called) ‘Star of David’ flags together side-by-side.
More info on this may be found @ http://www.real-debt-elimination.com/real_freedom/Propaganda/New_World_Order/transfer_agreement_between_zionists_and_nazis.htm
That Hitler was in league with the Soviets, the British and the North Americans is – in my opinion: ridiculous. That’s what ‘THEY’ want us to think, because it brings a sense of hopelessness… This is the same thing we see today with Putin (unfounded claims that he is a ‘Jew’ / controlled by the ‘Jews’, etc.). If Russia were really still under their thumb, then we would ALREADY be neck deep in Iran, and the Georgia fiasco would have turned out much differently. (We aren’t & It didn’t).
‘THEY’ did not allow Hitler to print his own money… This was the one move that ensured the neccessity of Germany’s destruction! The same thing was attempted by Napoleon & Abraham Lincoln previously and JFK afterwards with varied but consistent reactions from the ‘Jewish’ bankers: the total obliteration of all of them and their NON-‘Jewish’ monies!
In 1930 (BIS) and before – Germany’s central bank was still Rothschilds connected and run… But after ’33 – everything changed.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=93c_1264357825
When Hitler came to power, Germany was hopelessly broke. The Treaty of Versailles had imposed crushing reparations on the German people, demanding that Germans repay every nation’s costs of the war. These costs totaled three times the value of all the property in Germany.
Private currency speculators caused the German mark to plummet, precipitating one of the worst runaway inflations in modern times. A wheelbarrow full of 100 billion-mark banknotes could not buy a loaf of bread. The national treasury was empty. Countless homes and farms were lost to speculators and to private banks. Germans lived in hovels. They were starving.
Nothing like this had ever happened before – the total destruction of the national currency, plus the wiping out of people’s savings and businesses. On top of this came a global depression. Germany had no choice but to succumb to debt slavery under international bankers until 1933, when the National Socialists came to power.” (…)
http://socyberty.com/history/the-factors-that-contributed-to-the-rise-of-hitler/
“The most familiar index of the social consequences that the Depression caused was the figures for unemployment. “In Germany this rose from 1,320,00 in September 1929 to 3,000,000 in September 1930, 4,350,000 in September 1931 and 5,102,000 in September 1932” (Bullock, A, 1962, pg 152). These figures are quite startling and begin to illuminate how severe the social and economic problems in Germany were at this time.
Furthermore Bullock states, “In such circumstances men are no longer amenable to the arguments of reason. In such circumstances men entertain fantastic fears, extravagant hatreds and extravagant hopes. In such circumstances the extravagant demagogy of Hitler began to attract a mass following as it had never done before” (Bullock, A, 1962, pg 153).
Hitler was indeed creating the figures of hate in his speeches namely the Jews and the Marxists who were also predominantly Jews according to Hitler. Hitler as it would seem was a master at playing upon the electorate’s fears and this maybe why he attracted the amount of support he did.
http://www.white-history.com/hwr64.htm
“Economic Reforms
On all fronts, the German state was revolutionized: with one of the most significant being with the economy. When Hitler came to power in 1933, 30 per cent of the working population was unemployed: by 1938, Germany had a labor shortage.
In this economic recovery, Hitler hit upon something which helped to arouse the everlasting hatred of the international banking community: instead of basing Germany’s recovery on enormous loans from foreign and local banks, Hitler based the German economy onto a barter system, by which he could get much of what he needed by exchanging German surplus for the surplus of other countries – in common language, by swapping.
The next radical change Hitler brought about was to take the right to print money away from private banking institutions – which he viewed as Jewish – and restored the sole right to print money to the German state itself (it is interesting to compare the contemporary systems in both Britain and America, where consortiums of private bankers – the Federal Reserve in America and the Bank of England – print the money and then “sell” it to the governments, incurring the massive national debts of these countries).
Freed of the peculiar and complicated system of instant national debt through the issuance of their own money, the German economy took off like a rocket. Hitler also abandoned the Gold Standard as a means of weighting the Reichsmark: money in Hitler’s Germany was not based on gold but on the capacity of the German people to produce goods.
Hitler said in 1937:
“We were not foolish enough to try to make a currency coverage of gold of which we had none, but for every mark that was issued we required the equivalent of a mark’s worth of work done or goods produced. . . .we laugh at the time our national financiers held the view that the value of a currency is regulated by the gold and securities lying in the vaults of a state bank.” (CC Veith, Citadels of Chaos, Meador, 1949.)”
Dear Charlie:
“…building of a giant war machine, in a very short time, which was capable of taking on the whole world”.
Sorry to disappoint you, but this is another legend. Only after the obvious failure of the Geneva Disarmament Conference (1932-1934) did Hitler order to significantly enlarge the German Armed Forces (Wehrmacht).
The following are the number of weapons that each relevant country counted in their arsenals at the begin of WW II on September 1st , 1939
http://www.vorkriegsgeschichte.de/content/view/25/41/
NUMBER OF WAR PLANES:
Soviet Union 5.000
Germany 4.033
Great Britain 3.600
France 2.550
Poland 800
NUMBER OF SUBMARINES:
Soviet Union 165
Germany 57
Great Britain 57
France 77
USA 95
NUMBER OF WAR SHIPS:
Germany 33
Great Britain 270
France 85
USA 270
NUMBER OF ARMY DIVISIONS http://www.world-war-2.info/statistics/
Soviet Union 194
Germany 78
Great Britain 9
France 86
Poland 43
USA 8
I can continue, but I think that you get the point: THERE WAS NO SUCH GERMAN “GIANT WAR MACHINE” that could take on the whole world. This was the main lie of the REAL warmongers sitting in London (the Freemason Churchill) and Washington (the Freemason Roosevelt) and their puppeteers.
Hitler was not prepared for a larger war, he did not intend to unleash a European or World War. His main concerns were the Danzig corridor and the German minority in Poland.
What are your proofs that the Germans “were being controlled and led by Jewry, through Freemasonry down the path to war”? Can you PROVE that Hitler or ANY of his high-rank officials were Freemasons? I provided you with the one known example (Hjalmar Schacht), which is irrelevant to this discussion.
Did you know that actually France and Britain declared war on Germany and not the other way around? And if the invasion of Poland was the reason, why didn’t France and Britain declare war on the Soviet Union as well?? For the Soviet Union ALSO invaded Poland as part of the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact.
It is much too easy to blame it all on the defeated, but we should actually search for the truth.
The Peace of Christ be with you.
If the previous comments, also the interesting one by Prodigal Son are of any value, I think it’s this:
THE GLOBAL CONSPIRATORS STILL USE THE SAME TRICKS!
Remember Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction ready to be launched at London? Remember the lies that Colin Powell had to present to the UN?
Now think about the propaganda pressure regarding Iran. Do you see the pattern? “Iran is building nuclear weapons, Ahmadinejad wants to erase Israel. We must protect our allies, we must boycott Iran”. And soon we will see a false flag attack on US warships as “cassus belli”, and there goes again.
THINK!
The Jews are the enemies of Mankind, they are in perpetual war against the goy.
Satan himself controls the Jews and their helpers. And in the end he HATES human beings, because we have been created as an image of our Father in Heaven.
Thus, the Jews are the “useful idiots” of the Dragon, the old Serpent, the Deceiver. They will be also annhilated if Satan wins on this our planet Earth.
THEIR ONLY CHANCE IS TO REPENT AND ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR SAVIOUR.
Brother Nathanael, I hope that many Jews see your example and honestly convert to Christianity.
For you have given them a GREAT example.
THE NUREMBURG LAWS
From:
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/triumph/tr-nurem-laws.htm
“At the Reichstag’s special session held on Sept. 15/’53 at 8 p.m., Hitler delivered a short speech in which he characterized the new laws as an attempt to “achieve the legislative regulation of a problem which, if it breaks down again will then have to be transferred by law to the National Socialist Party for final solution.”
The laws were then read by Reichstag President Hermann Göring as follows:
Reich Citizenship Law
I. 1. A subject of the State is a person who belongs to the protective union of the German Reich, and who therefore has particular obligations towards the Reich. 2. The status of subject is acquired in accordance with the provisions of the Reich and State Law of Citizenship.
II. 1. A citizen of the Reich is that subject only who is of German or kindred blood and who, through his conduct, shows that he is both desirous and fit to serve the German people and Reich faithfully.
Law for the Protection of German Blood
and German Honor, September 15, 1935
Entirely convinced that the purity of German blood is essential to the further existence of the German people, and inspired by the uncompromising determination to safeguard the future of the German nation, the Reichstag has unanimously adopted the following law, which is promulgated herewith:
I. 1. Marriages between Jews and citizens of German or kindred blood are forbidden. Marriages concluded in defiance of this law are void, even if, for the purpose of evading this law, they were concluded abroad.
2. Proceedings for annulment may be initiated only by the Public Prosecutor.
II. Sexual relations outside marriage between Jews and nationals of German or kindred blood are forbidden.
III. Jews will not be permitted to employ female citizens of German or kindred blood under 45 years of age as domestic servants.
IV. 1. Jews are forbidden to display the Reich and national flag or the national colors. 2. On the other hand they are permitted to display the Jewish colors. The exercise of this right is protected by the State.
V. 1. A person who acts contrary to the prohibition of Section I will be punished with hard labor.
2. A person who acts contrary to the prohibition of Section II will be punished with imprisonment or with hard labor.
3. A person who acts contrary to the provisions of Sections III or IV will be punished with imprisonment up to a year and with a fine, or with one of these penalties.
VI. The Reich Minister of the Interior in agreement with the Deputy Führer and the Reich Minister of Justice will issue the legal and administrative regulations required for the enforcement and supplementing of this law.
VII. The law will become effective on the day after its promulgation; Section III, however, not until January 1, 1936.”
Hitler said in what would be his final address:
“Since 1914, when as a volunteer, I made my modest contribution in the World War which was forced upon the Reich, over thirty years have passed.
In these three decades, only love for my people and loyalty to my people have guided me in all my thoughts, actions, and life. They gave me the strength to make the most difficult decisions, such as no mortal has yet had to face. I have exhausted my time, my working energy, and my health in these three decades.
It is untrue that I or anybody else in Germany wanted war in 1939. It was desired and instigated exclusively by those international statesmen who were either of Jewish origin or working for Jewish interests. I have made so many offers for the reduction and elimination of armaments, which posterity cannot explain away for all eternity, that the responsibility for the outbreak of this war cannot rest on me.
Furthermore, I never desired that after the first terrible World War a second war should arise against England or even against America. Centuries may pass, but out of the ruins of our cities and monuments of art there will arise anew the hatred for the people who alone are ultimately responsible: International Jewry and its helpers!
As late as three days before the outbreak of the German-Polish War, I proposed to the British Ambassador in Berlin a solution for the German-Polish problem — similar to the problem of the Saar area, under international control. This offer cannot be explained away, either.
It was only rejected because the responsible circles in English politics wanted the war, partly in the expectation of business advantages, partly driven by propaganda promoted by international Jewry.
But I left no doubt about the fact that if the peoples of Europe were again only regarded as so many packages of stock shares by these international money and finance conspirators, then that race, too, which is the truly guilty party in this murderous struggle would also have to be held to account: the Jews!
I further left no doubt that this time we would not permit millions of European children of Aryan descent to die of hunger, nor millions of grown-up men to suffer death, nor hundreds of thousands of women and children to be burned and bombed to death in their cities, without the truly guilty party having to atone for its guilt, even if through more humane means.
After six years of struggle, which in spite of all reverses will go down in history as the most glorious and most courageous manifestation of a people’s will to live. I cannot separate myself from the city which is the capital of this Reich.
Because our forces are too few to permit any further resistance against the enemy’s assaults, and because individual resistance is rendered valueless by blinded and characterless scoundrels, I desire to share the fate that millions of others have taken upon themselves, in that I shall remain in this city. Furthermore, I do not want to fall into the hands of enemies who for the delectation of the hate-riddled masses require a new spectacle promoted by the Jews.
I have therefore resolved to remain in Berlin and there to choose death of my own will at the very moment when, as I believe, the seat of the Fuehrer and Chancellor can no longer be defended.
I die with a joyful heart in the awareness the immeasurable deeds and achievements of our soldiers at the front, of our women at home, the achievements of our peasants and workers, and the contribution, unique in history, of our youth, which bears my name.
It goes without saying that I thank them all from the bottom of my heart and that it is also my desire that in spite of everything they should not give up the struggle, but continue fighting wherever they may be, faithful to the great Clausewitz, against the enemies of the Fatherland.
From the sacrifices of our soldiers and from my own comradeship with them, there will come in one way or another into German history the seed of a brilliant renaissance of the National Socialist movement and thus the realization of a true national community.
Many very brave men and women have resolved to link their lives to mine to the very end. I have requested them, and finally ordered them, not to do so, but instead to take part in the continuing struggle of the nation. I ask the commanders of the army, navy, and air force to strengthen by all possible means the spirit of resistance of our soldiers in the spirit of National Socialism, emphasizing especially that I too, as founder and creator of this movement, have preferred death to cowardly flight or even capitulation.
May it be one day a part of the code of honor; as it is already in the navy, that the surrender of an area or of a town is impossible, and above all in this respect the leaders should give a shining example of faithful devotion to duty unto death.
Before my death I expel the former Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering and deprive him of all the rights he may enjoy by virtue of the decree of June 29, 1941, and also by virtue of my statement in the Reichstag on September 1, 1939. I appoint in his place Grossadmiral Doenitz as President of the Reich and Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces.
Before my death I expel the former Reichsfuehrer-SS and Minister of the Interior Heinrich Himmler from the Party and all offices of state. In his place I appoint Gauleiter Karl Hanke as Reichsfuehrer-SS and Chief of the German Police and Gauleiter Paul Giesler as Reich Minister of the Interior.
Goering and Himmler, by their secret negotiations with the enemy, without my knowledge or approval, and by their illegal attempts to seize power in the state, quite apart from their treachery to my person, have brought irreparable shame to the country and the whole people.
In order to give the German people a government composed of honorable men, who will fulfill their duty of continuing the war by all available means, I, as the Fuehrer of the nation, nominate the following members of the new Cabinet:
President of the Reich: Doenitz; Chancellor of the Reich: Dr. Goebbels; Party Minister: Bormann; Foreign Minister: Seyss-Inquart; Minister of the Interior: Gauleiter Giesler; Minister for War: Doenitz; C.-in-C. of the Army: Schoerner; C.-in-C. of the Navy: Doenitz; C.-in-C. of the Air Force: Greim; Reichsfuehrer-SS and Chief of the German Police: Gauleiter Hanke; Economics: Funk; Agriculture: Backe; Justice: Thierack; Culture: Dr. Scheel; Propaganda: Dr. Naumann; Finance: Schwerin-Krossigk; Labor: Dr. Hupfater; Munitions: Saur; Leader of the German Labor Front and Member of the Reich Cabinet: Reichminister Dr. Ley
Several of these men such as Martin Bormann, Dr. Goebbels, etc., together with their wives, have joined me by their own free will and do not wish to leave the capital of the Reich under any circumstances, but on the contrary are willing to perish with me here. Yet I must ask them to obey my request, and in this instance place the interests of the nation above their own feelings.
Through their work and loyalty they will remain just as close to me as companions after my death, just as I hope that my spirit will remain amongst them and will always accompany them. Let them be hard, but never unjust; above all, let them never allow fear to counsel their actions, but may they place the honor of the nation above everything on this earth.
Finally, may they be conscious of the fact that our task of building a National Socialist state represents the labor of the coming centuries, and this places every single person under an obligation always to serve the common interest and to subordinate his own interests. I demand of all Germans, all National Socialists, men and women and all soldiers of the Armed Forces, that they remain faithful and obedient to the new government and to their President unto death.
Above all, I charge the leadership of the nation and their followers with the strict observance of the racial laws and with merciless resistance against the universal poisoners of all peoples, international Jewry.”
Given in Berlin, 29th April 1945, 4:00 a.m.
signed: A. Hitler
Signed as witnesses:
Dr. Joseph Goebbels
Wilhelm Burgdorf
Martin Bormann
Hans Krebs
You left out the number of tanks …….. which might explain why the ’78 german divisions’ were able to overcome the ’86 french divisions’ in a couple of weeks?
You’re being very defensive of Germany.
I am not attacking Germany, or Hitler, although he did attack my Motherland causing untold and prolonged suffering.
But thats war.
I made it clear that I thought the Allies were more to blame for the war and not the other way round.
Maybe I should write it in German.
Dear RZN Christians,
I would like to say a thing or two about Hitler. The things I’ve read and seen apparently confirmed from various sources about Hitler’s personal involvement in the occult, drugs and rituals is fairly an established fact. I get where Hitler was coming from. He was a willing participant in a giant act of magic, for magical reasons that probably make no sense to normals.
Whatever the story of Germany is, it is much too broad to characterize the way Hitler is a character. I mean it is much different to know Hitler’s foibles as opposed to comprehending a vast and ancient nation. The two are in no way the same.
But just knowing about Hitler’s occult mind-control angle is to know that something very weird was going on and it had about as much to do with the merits of national socialism as it what a truck can carry as cargo has to do with a truck intrinsically is.
It would be like taking George Bush the Lesser as an example and trying to generalize what Americans are like from him. And even though Hitler was deservedly much more popular than Shrub ever dreamed of, neither one represents a ‘normal’ type of person from their respective countries.
And here I think Germany and Iran are in identical situations; they can’t back down an inch or they will just get bulldozed. These countries are not really capable of being victorious. They are just capable of ‘fighting the good fight’ and tragically losing.
It is pretty obvious that this conforms to an intentional war-starting strategy that leaves these countries no other option than to fight even when they have no real hope of winning. Thus setting them up as scapegoats for all of the ills of whatever war.
My comments on Freemasonry do not reflect on this site, which is the best on the internet.
There are other sites by religious people but with one or two exceptions they are not interested in truth, over and above everything else. Thats just the world in which we live.
Br Nathanael lives the truth, because he knows the truth, which is Jesus.
CHAPTER THREE: THE SHABEZ GOI
We have remarked on the strange omission of works which one might expect in our libraries, works which treat of the phenomenon of parasitic communities in human civilizations.
And we have suggested that these works have not been written because the parasite exercises control over the academic and scholarly life of the host. Is this a fantastic conclusion? Not at all …
Since the host is physically stronger than the parasite, obviously the parasite cannot control him through physical strength. Then he must exercise mental control. How is this done?
The Jewish parasite controls the Gentile host through an entire class of Gentiles which he has created, and who serve him by maintaining control over the Gentile host. This class is known as the Shabez Goi.
THE ADVANCED CIVILIZATIONS
We have pointed out that the Jewish parasite is a disease of the more advanced civilizations. One does not find the Jew sharing the hostile desert with the Australian aborigine. Primitive man had no experience of parasites. There was little food and less shelter.
But those who survived began to master their environment, to till the land, to domesticate animals, and there began to be surpluses of food. Now rats and cockroaches appeared, feasting on these surpluses.
One of the heroes of the Jewish intellectual movement, Franz Kafka, wrote a work in which a man envisioned himself as a cockroach, writing out of some ancient racial memory which has bemused thousands of university students who had it rammed down their throats by their professors, with no explanation of its overtones.
With these surpluses, there also appeared a new type of person, a variant of the species, one who existed by producing no goods or services, but who became adept at producing an illusion that he was giving goods and services.
This was the Jew, who made his appearance upon the stage of history as a magician, a fortuneteller, a petty thief, or, in the open country, a treacherous and cold-blooded bandit.
He became a physician, a teacher, an acolyte in any kind of religious group. From earliest history, he practiced money-lending, and always at usurious rates of interest.
All of these Jewish vocations have one thing in common, the opportunity for fraud. The Jew always operated from a basis of fraud, and slipped easily from one vocation into another.
A Jew practices medicine in one city, and, leaving behind a trail of corpses, turns up in another town as a soothsayer. After some widows are bilked of their life savings, he again takes to the road, assisted, as always, by the international Jewish community.
In another town, he becomes a student priest, and soon he offers daring new interpretations of the religious beliefs, until his superiors find that he is stealthily transforming every tenet of their faith into some strange and barbaric dogma.
He moves on, and turns up in another city as a highly trusted government official, respected by all, until, one evening, the gates of the city are opened to an invader, and the Jew becomes the Grand Vizier of the conquerors.
A DEFINITION
But is this parasitism, or is it merely crime? It is crime, yes, for each of these isolated events is a crime, but the whole is not merely crime, it is parasitism. Treason, fraud, perversion, all are hallmarks of Jewish life among the Gentiles in the Diaspora.
And it is parasitism. All of these things are not merely crimes in themselves; they are crimes which are committed as essential parts of the Jew’s parasitical relationship with the Gentile host.
We must remember that there is no Jewish crime per se, since the existence of the Jewish parasite upon the host is a crime against nature, because its existence imperils the health and the life of the host. Thus, everything that the Jew does in connection with this parasitic existence is a criminal act, and part of an overall criminal existence.
CONVICTION AND EXPULSION
A Gentile government which had as its concern the health of the nation would convict the Jewish parasite and cast him off. This has happened hundreds of times in recorded history.
Therefore, the Jew knows that his first task, upon arriving in a Gentile community, is to subvert and take over its government, and to paralyze the people with subtle injections of poison, so that they become helpless and unable to defend themselves.
Thus, the Jew begins agitation to set up a “progressive” government, also known as a “popular front,” a “democratic” government, a “people’s” government, a “liberal” government, and all of these are synonyms for the Jewish government, which will protect the presence of the parasite and guard it against the anger of the exploited Gentiles.
When he has set up this government, usually by subversion, the Jew sets out to exterminate all of the former Gentile leaders whom he reviles as “reactionaries,” that is, those who might react against the presence of the parasite.
First, they are prevented from engaging in any gainful employment. Then they and all members of their families have their landholdings, bank accounts and other assets confiscated.
Finally, after extensive agitation against them, the Jew arouses the populace against them and they are hunted down and killed, because they might be able to set up a “reactionary” government if they are allowed to survive.
Thus the Jew has introduced the blood-thirsty custom of genocide, or extermination of groups, into world affairs.
Now, does not this sound familiar, the confiscation of assets, the mass murders? Oh, yes, Russia, 1917, the victory of the Bolsheviks, the carrying out of Marx’s program of Communism, when a government which believed in the principle of “solidarity” was installed to enslave the Gentile Russian people.
The Czar and his wife and children were murdered in cold blood, because the biological Jew is not concerned with chivalry in his struggle to maintain control over the Gentile host.
We have only to read the sadistically interpreted Book of Esther in the Bible to see the Jewish custom of mass murder exposed in detail.
WEAKNESS OF THE HOST
Is the helplessness of the Gentile host before the onslaught of the parasite an essential weakness? We have only to think of the strong, healthy man subdued by flu virus to get the answer. Health in all matters is the principal defense against the attack of the parasitic virus.
For centuries, the larger and stronger Gentile host has gone down in defeat before the smaller and weaker, but more deadly, parasitic virus. The survival of the Gentile host is a matter of understanding biological laws.
The Gentile community has set up elaborate codes by which it lives, codes of honor, codes of laws, and the trust which the observance of these codes breeds in the members of the community.
They respect the law, they respect each other’s families, they respect each other’s property, and they defend the nation when it is attacked.
-Eustace Mullins
http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2009/06/biological-jew-pt-2-by-eustace-mullins.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bznLR3-kCtU&feature=player_embedded
RIP Eustace Mullins, a true patriot and a man who stood up for the truth (unlike the limp wristed fools who call themselves men today).
Greetings in the Lord, R C Christian,
I am very fond of Eustace Mullins and he is a great patriot.
Just a heads up about some things concerning the Book of Esther and we should be careful of blasphemy of Sacred Scripture (not that I am blaming Mullins, or anyone that has ever reacted to the Jews’ psychotic perversions of the Book of Esther in their Babylonian Talmud and their feast days based on it):
There are significant, even radical, differences between the Greek Esther of the Septuagint (which was translated in the centuries before Christ by Greek-speaking Judeans), and the Hebrew Esther of the so-called 10th c Masoretic (Rabbinic) Texts which Western versions of Esther are based on.
There are important parts missing from the Hebrew Esther from the Orthodox point of view; conversely, the Jews and Hebraists claim that the Greek Esther has spurious additions. In any case, even just reading the two side by side comes up with almost two different stories.
The very earliest Fathers of the Church interpreted the Book of Esther as messianic prophecy and prefigurement types for Jesus Christ, the Church, the Virgin Mary and Joseph the Betrothed, the future opening of the Abrahamic Faith of Israel and Salvation to the Nations, and God’s protection of His people, providential delivery from evil and conquest of Satan.
One of the radical peculiarities between the two is that in the Hebrew Esther of the Western texts, God’s name is not mentioned even once. In the Greek Esther there are prayers to God that are said by Mordechai and Esther, as well as a prophetic dream that Mordechai had, and copies of royal decrees that are not in the Hebrew.
It would probably not be far off to guess that in anti-Christian disputations by the Rabbis, that the Hebrew Esther underwent the Talmud treatment trying to disprove Jesus as the Messiah, and it would definitely appear that the Sages performed serious kabbalistic overhaul glorifying themselves rather than giving proper glory to God, especially the way they interpret and conduct the Jewish feast of Esther as a carnival of blood vengeance celebrating their own choseness and delusions over life and death.
To the Jew, evil Haman, who got hung, represents Jesus Christ.
Thought this might be worth knowing.
Peace in our Lord Jesus Christ.
I think it is of interest that in the scriptures that cover the Babylonian exile, the Sacred texts designate Esther and Mordechai as Jews. On the basis of this designation, I would assume they were descendents of Esau.
Whereas Daniel and the holy children Ananias, Misael and Azarias re all designated “children of Israel”.
The Traditions of the Elders certainly pre-date the Talmud and the Canaanite, Edomite lineage was insinuated into the heritage of David (and one would assume other tribes) under Solomon when he took idolatrous wives.
Hello Michael K,
There are many sources which blaspheme the Name of Jesus Christ too.
I can find writings which say Jesus never even existed…
I can find writings which say Jesus was just a radical Pharisee…
I can find writings which say that Jesus put forth good teachings – but that He was only a man, and that He was NOT God come in the flesh…
I can find writings which say that Jesus was NOT the Son of God – but that He was actually the Father Himself (oneness nonsense)…
I can find writings which say that Jesus was a sorcerer who performed black magic with his penis, and that His blessed Mother was a whore…
I can find writings that say Jesus had a wife and kids & flesh brother and sisters…
I can find writings that say that Mary Magdalene was Jesus’ lover & that she was one of the apostles…
I can find writings that say Jesus never ascended to heaven – that He lived out the rest of His life here on earth…
I have seen writings that Jesus never died on the cross – that the resurrection never really happened, that the whole thing was a hoax…
I have seen claims – even with accompanying photos that Jesus’ earthly tomb is in India…
— — —
But you know what? I don’t believe ANY OF THOSE THINGS!!
I don’t care how many numerous sources parrot the SAME OLD, SAME OLD things – I refuse to believe them.
Because I know the source of these lies.
The lying ‘Jews’ have spent the last 60 years demonizing Adolph Hitler because (next to Jesus Christ) he was their WORST ENEMY, and he gave them more opposistion than anyone on earth.
There have been SO MANY lies told to us (many of us here since before we were even BORN) that I have a hard time believing ANY OF THEIR CLAPTRAP!!
We’ve been told about ‘Jews’ turned into lampshades by Nazis – LIES!
We’ve been told that the fat from dead ‘Jews’ were turned into bars of soap by the Nazis –
LIES!
We’ve been told that ‘Jews’ were ‘gassed’ to death using an insecticide called Zyklon B – LIES!!
We’ve been told 6 million ‘Jews’ were systematically murdered in ‘extermination camps’… LIES!!
At the same time – we’ve been told that there were almost 1 million SURVIVORS of these ‘death-camps’… LIES!!
Even the very idea that these WHITE PEOPLE are descended from the Semitic Hebrews of the Old Testament… that they are ‘Jews’… LIES, LIES, LIES!!
How many Hollow-Co$t$ ‘memoirs’ have now turned out to be all LIES!?
The Talmud says 4 billion ‘Jews’ were murdered by the Romans and that the Romans rolled up 64 million ‘Jewish’ children in their ‘Torah’ scrolls and burned them alive!!
I won’t even bother addressing that one!
When I was in elementary school, they forced us all to read ‘The Diary of Anne Frank’.
I can remember tearing up as I read – my youthful mind believing it all.
But ‘The Diary of Anne Frank’ was written by another lying ‘Jew’ who had to sue Frank’s father to get his $50,000 fee for writing the FICTION!!
Suffice to say that ‘Jews’ are LIARS of old – from the father of lies and their yearly ‘Kol Nidrei’ prayer (in their minds) grants them license before their ‘god’ to LIE THROUGH THEIR TEETH for a whole year, until the next ‘Day of Atonement’ rolls around (at which point they say their ‘Kol Nidrei’ again & they’re good for another years worth of lies)!
I refuse to believe ONE WORD that comes from their lying mouths – and the OVERT, concerted, nonstop effort to demonize Hitler puts up a red flag for me.
I LOVE Jesus Christ – but ‘Jews’ HATE Him!
The ONLY other man that ‘Jews’ have a similar venomous hatred for… is Hitler!
Jesus was the greatest man to ever walk this earth – but ‘Jews’ HATE Him!!
It seems to me – if the ‘Jews’ hate you, you must be doing something right!
Do I think Hitler was a hero?
I don’t know, but I know that Jesus is the only one Who they go OUT OF THEIR WAY to slander more than Hitler, and to me – it’s telling.
As I said – I believe everything we THINK we know has to be thrown out the window, and we have to work only from those things that have enough evidence so that we can know for SURE what really happened, and WHO Hitler REALLY was.
Here we go again Charlie:
NUMBER OF TANKS 1939
Germany 2938 (3263 including Czech tanks)
Poland 880
Soviet Union 4736
France 3500
Source: Panzer Divisions. The Blitzkrieg Years 1939-1940, by P.P. Battistelli.
The French were defeated IN SPITE of the fact that they had more and BETTER tanks than the Germans in 1940.
The reason for the French defeat were the superior tactics of the Germans, which relied on mobility and interplay of forces. The French relied on static defense (their Maginot Line), once they were overrun the fate of their army was sealed.
War is a tragedy. The two World Wars were maybe the greatest tragedies in the history of Christianity. But it is important that we learn from the errors of the past, and see where are the real instigators.
The Jew financed and instigated almost every modern war. Profits during wartime are enormous for the banks. See what Benjamin Freedman said about this (“war is a racket”).
Dear friends,
I don’t really want to come to these Nazi questions; it may hurt some “Germanophile” good guys here.
Let me just reply to you and then I’ll like to go on with the Russian subject, so much interesting and important today.
My statements regarding the absolute impossibility of using violence arises from being a Christian (I mean extreme violence against regular Jews, a different situation arises when considering leaders, be they political, high profile businessmen and religious elements).
And I do not want to carry with me the mortal sinful guilt of inflaming minds and hearts against any innocent human being.
First and foremost I consider that there was an agent and a receptor to all the filth emanating from the Jewish take over of the “West”.
It is not so easy as to just pin point them as sole executors. We all are partially guilty, we were weak, we were corruptible, and we didn’t hold Christ as high as it was necessary.
We let them control our money (we asked for and lived drowned in easy credit).
We let them silently occupy our universities, we let them taught their subversive ways.
We read the ‘Book’ (here I’m referring to Calvinist/protestant/evangelicals, in general) like them so we accepted them like being equal to us (after all they are whites!).
We allowed them to control our minds because we were gullible and bought their ethics and their unstoppable thirst for money and getting rich (i.e. the American dream).
We bought all of their trinkets, colored glasses and mirrors.
We still fight their wars and feed their bellies through the insatiable globalistic multinational companies…
We can’t blame them solely!
Now, come on, Norseman if you justly were outraged with that slip of tongue regarding “the same purse strings…”; I may feel as well insulted in my intelligence in you calling me the equivalent of an Holocaust ‘genuflexer’.
If you Prodigal Son accept the fact that Jewish organizations were working well into the war hand in hand (hasbara) with Hitler to move as many Jews as was possible to Palestine (Hitler partially guilty of this monstrosity), you may ask why they, let so many die in the intense suffering of forced displacements and labor camps, etc, when there were several attempts to free Hungarian Jews for a deal, as an example?
The Jewish leaders considered two kinds of Jews: the elite mostly flown away before the war (i.e.Einstein et al) and the useless eaters, those that depended historically of their charity organizations, the poor, the low middle class that were left behind.
Didn’t the Jewish leaders consider that the remnant Jews were not worth the effort?.
Your argument “why do the Jewish bankers would fed Hitler with financial resources” before the war, as is well documented in Bush un-authorized bibliography (chapter II) and Sutton on Wall Street and Hitler (not in the least based solely on any phony Warburg letter, excuse me), resides exactly in that they wanted Palestine, they wanted the maximum share of the war profits to USSR. Their riches and power were already secure in the USA.
The problem is that perhaps you may think of a uninterrupted flow of money from NY to Berlin during the war years, not being this the case.
What every researcher demonstrate is that the years leading directly to the war, a gigantic amount of money was invested into the formation of enormous industrial cartels that served exceedingly well to Hitler’s war effort.
You must overcome any preconceived ideas and read those books with their ample documentary proof.
One could argue that Hitler was unaware of all these, that he just used I.G.Farben, The Steel manufacturing Conglomerate and the auto plants (GM and Ford) to manufacture his weapons, although I doubt, it is neccessary to have two demons to go to war.
The amount invested into Germany around 1925 was US$ 800 millions, someting equivalent to US$ 55 billion in today’s currency.
We can’t simply ignore all these facts.
As Sutton said, that sordid actions of collaborating with a certain future enemy before the war and with the enemy during the war lays in a handful of gigantic corporations, not all the American industry.
Those corporations controlled by Rothschild local representatives like Morgan, etc.
They were laying out The World Government.
Norseman, do not take Hjalmar Schacht so lightly. I advise you to fully investigate what is BIS and why it worked undisturbed during the years leading and even through out the war, having Hjalmar Schacht a permanent envoy in Basel (BIS) so that the mundialists could communicate with the Reich directly.
BIS is Rothschild, Norseman!
Kathjuliane’s last post seemed to be a stretch. But I checked out the NIV, KJV, along side that of the Greek Septuagint.
I was amazed at the difference. She is someone to listen to, as what she pointed out was exactly what I found.
The conclusion is: do not trust the Masoretic interpreters as they are Jewish Rabbis. So beware all you KJV only prosyletizers or NIV non-inspired versions.
Norseman said.
What are your proofs that the Germans “were being controlled and led by Jewry, through Freemasonry down the path to war”?
Proof?
Umm….. WWII.
you also said
“The Jew financed and instigated almost every modern war. ”
Was that a change of heart?
Dear jgalindes,
I didn’t call you a “Holocaust genuflexer” (by the way, an interesting expression!). It was you who wrote “extermination” in connection to the Jews during World War II.
Prodigal Son is right, almost everything we have been fed regarding WW II are plain lies.
Just a few facts may help us in this discussion:
Hjalmar Schacht, freemason, was appointed by Hitler Minister of Economics (1934) and Chairman of the Reichsbank (1933) until January 1939. He was then dismissed by Hitler himself, mainly because of his opposition to autarky as the base of German economy. He was repeatedly involved in attempted coup d’etats, and finally arrested in July 1944 and sent to Dachau. Interestingly, he was acquitted by the Nuremberg tribunal and released in 1946. This fact speaks volumes.
The BIS (Bank of International Settlements) was created in 1930, that is, THREE FULL YEARS BEFORE Hitler’s rise to power in January 1933. Remember that Schacht was Chairman of the Reichsbank also during the Weimar Republic, between 1923 and 1930.
You say that Germany received US$ 800 millions (your source?) in 1925. This is EIGHT YEARS BEFORE Hitler’s rise to power. So, what is your point? If the BIS really gave Germany that amount of money in 1925 was AGAINST the National Socialists, to support the corrupt and Jew-dominated Weimar Republic.
The German economic “miracle” 1933-1939 can be resumed in the following points:
-AUTARKY, the word that the money-Jews fear most after Jesus Christ. This is exactly the opposite of globalization and “free markets”.
-NATIONAL CURRENCY POLICY, and not private, like the Fed or the Reichsbank prior to 1933.
-SHUTDOWN OF SPECULATION, the main way Jews steal the gains of industry and agriculture.
-WORK-BASED ECONOMY
You don’t have to invoke spurious and illogical relationships between Organized Jewry and Germany. If the USA were to apply these same principles today, Jewry would be instantly deprived of their power over the nation (and much of the world). Read it on Rakovsky’s protocols, he says that the real reason for the war against Germany was the fear that his economic model might be adopted by other countries.
The relationship between the Haavara and the Nazis to move the Jews to Palestine is well documented and logical: both wanted the Jews out of Europe and into Palestine. However, you should know that Hitler favoured the emigration to Madagascar instead of Palestine:
http://www.ihr.org/books/harwood/dsmrd01.html
In the end he opposed a Jewish state foreseeing that the Jews would use it as a “base” and safe haven to carry out their evil plans elsewhere.
Praise the LORD and pass the ammunition. Not to get off topic but some great prices.
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http://www.luckygunner.com/
China warns against Iran nuclear programme sanctions
Iran says it only wants nuclear power for peaceful purposes
China has said talks of fresh sanctions against Iran over its nuclear programme would “complicate the situation” and could derail diplomatic efforts.
Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi called for more direct talks with Iran instead of sanctions.
Earlier, UN diplomatic sources said the US was circulating a discussion paper outlining suggested further sanctions.
The measures include expanding travel bans and freezing the assets of people connected with the nuclear industry.
Russia later said it was moving closer to the West’s view, to an agreement on the need for new economic sanctions against Iran, according to a leading Russian MP.
“On this question, mutual understanding between Russia and its partners in the international arena has clearly increased,” Konstantin Kosachyov, head of the international affairs committee in the lower house of parliament and a Kremlin ally, told Russian TV.
The move comes despite the apparent acceptance by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of a deal allowing Iran to send most of its low-enriched uranium abroad in return for research reactor fuel rods. These would to be used in a small research reactor Iran has producing medical isotopes.
Washington has called on Iran to match its words with actions.
Last month, diplomats said Iran had informed the International Atomic Energy Agency that it did not accept the terms of the deal and had instead demanded a simultaneous exchange on its territory.
The US and its allies fear Iran is attempting to develop nuclear weapons. Iran insists its nuclear programme is entirely peaceful.
Greetings in the Lord Jesus, jgalindes
Here is a good link that further expands some of the various historical religious circumstances leading up to the tragedy of the Old Believers far beyond Alexander Dugin’s expose, caught up at the time in large political and religious cross-currents then sweeping about, and enormous historical and political turbulences and wars of “apocalyptic” proportions in Eastern Europe, which represents the collapse of the Byzantine Commonwealth and alliances after the fall of Constantinople to the Ottomans.
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Old_Believers
It was also a period just coming out of Russia’s centuries-long domination by the Golden Horde in the 15th c., a branch of the Mongol Empire. Good link here for that aspect of history:
http://www.accd.edu/sac/history/keller/Mongols/states3.html
However, at the time, the Old Believers were not a homogenous group either, but coalesced in general resistance during the pressed reforms of Patriarch Nikon carried on after his deposition by Tzar Alexi I in 1658 who in turn presented too strong a challenge to the Tsar’s growing authority, which marks the start of the subordination of the Russian Church to State which unbalanced the Justinian ideal of “symphony” between two mutually submissive spheres, Patriarch and King, and which was formally accomplished altogether under Peter the Great.
The Old Believers’ tragedy and resistance, in part conditioned with inherent natural anti-statism to begin with, was not a case of a sudden fit of megalomanic reform at the time; it had been going on for well over a century, not to mention the Local Orthodox Churches after the fall of Constantinople were up to their eyeballs in Polish Jews and Judaizers, and the open “Hegemony of the Kahal”, in a situation in Eastern Europe that is just as significant if somewhat different as the vast phenomena of Crypto-Jewry in Catholic Spain and Portugal among the New-Christians in those societies.
“In 1551, the Moscow Stoglav Church Council was a church council held in Moscow, with the participation of Tsar Ivan IV, Metropolitan Macarius, and representatives of the Boyar Duma…declared in favour of revision.
The council’s purpose was to regulate the church’s relationship to the state, reform its internal life, strengthen the authority of the bishops, and eradicate non-Christian folk customs from among the populace. It would not introduce anything new but would purify the Russian church of irregularities.
The council called for many irregularities in church life to be corrected. Among other things, drunkenness among the clergy was to be eradicated, parish priests were to be better educated, and priests and laity alike were to be protected against rapacious episcopal tax collectors. “Pagan” and foreign practices popular among the laity were prohibited, such as minstrels playing at weddings and the shaving of beards.
Patriarch Philaret (Romanov) of Moscow took part in abortive attempts to reform the church books; and under Alexis, the second of the Romanovs, in 1654, a council of thirty-six bishops assembled at Moscow, over which he presided, and earnestly recommended the long-contemplated project to the attention of the Tsar.
This sobor was attended by Macarius, the Patriarch of Antioch, with his archdeacon, Paul of Aleppo, both were Syrian Eastern Orthodox clergy, who also chronicled their travels throughout Constantinople, Wallachia, Moldavia, Ukraine and Muscovy, as an attempt to raise funds and support for their church, (having lost much of the Byzantine imperial support paid in tribute to the Muslim overlords in the Levant) and the head of the Serbian church, were present upon this occasion.
At length, under the auspices of the Moscow Sobor of 1667, attended by the Patriarch of Alexandria and the Patriarch of Antioch, with delegates from both the Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem and the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople, the revision of the liturgical books of the Slavonic church was effected; and the revised texts were formally declared to be the only true, lawful, and authorised copies. Alexis in person presided over this conclave. By its voice the ambitious and turbulent Patriarch Nikon was deposed from the Russian patriarchate.
Prior to this, however, there had already been a long struggle with the Judaizing heresy that struck shortly after the fall of Constantinople to the Ottomans c. 1470 – 1515 sometimes referred to as the Novgorod-Moscow heretics.
In the late 10th c., most of the Jews were finally expelled from Constantinople and Byzantine Roman domains. Only two states in history actually stood firm in forbidding Jews as a class beyond that of merchant, craftsman, or trader any placement in the royal courts, judicial courts, work as physicians, government, diplomacy, economic policies, any role in the military, banking, education, and the ecclesiastical hierarchy – Constantinople and, after the Judaizing heresy struck, Tzarist Russia until the late 19th c.
The most outstanding of those rulers was Casimir the Great who in 1334, a year after ascending the throne, acknowledged the privilege granted the Jews in Great Poland by Boleslaus the Pious in 1264. As a result Jews were exempted from German law and came under the jurisdiction of the voivodes.
In the 14th and 15th centuries the main occupation of Jews in Poland was local and long distance trade. Jews performed the role of middlemen in trade between Poland and Hungary, Turkey and the Italian colonies on the Black Sea, given as concessions by Constantinople to the West.
They also took part in the Baltic trade and commercial operations in Silesia. Owing to their links with Jewish communities in other countries as well as experience in trade and moneylending operations, Jewish merchants gained the advantage over local merchants, both in European and overseas trade.
Following protests by the rich Polish burghers and the clergy, the scope of credit operations conducted by the Jews was seriously curtailed in the early 15th century. In 1423 the statute of Warka forbade Jews the granting of loans against letters of credit or mortgage and limited their operations exclusively to loans made on security of moveable property.
The amassed capital was invested by the Jews in leaseholds. In the 14th and 15th centuries rich Jew merchants and moneylenders leased the royal mint, salt mines and the collecting of customs and tolls. The most famous of them were Jordan and his son Lewko of Krakow in the 14th century and Jakub Slomkowicz of Luck, Wolczko of Drohobycz, Natko of Lvov, Samson of Zydaczow, Josko of Hrubieszow and Szania of Belz in the 15th century.
For example, Wolczko of Drohobycz, King Ladislaus Jagiello’s broker, was the owner of several villages in the Ruthenian voivodship and the soitys (administrator) of the village of Werbiz. Also Jews from Grodno were in this period owners of villages, manors, meadows, fish ponds and mills.
However until the end of the 15th century agriculture as a source of income played only a minor role among Jewish families.
More important were crafts for the needs of both their fellow Jews and the Christian population (fur making, tanning, tailoring).
In general the reigning princes were usually determined protectors of the Jewish inhabitants even against the Church and reformers, who considered the presence of the of the Jews most desirable insofar as the economic development of the country was concerned, with the bulk of the Christian people in feudal subjection as peasant serfs to the princes and their middlemen, the Jews who formed the burgher class.
Prominent among such rulers was Boleslaus the Pious of Kalisz, Prince of Great Poland. With the consent of the class representatives and higher officials, in 1264 he issued a General Charter of Jewish Liberties, the Statute of Kalisz, which granted all Jews the freedom of worship, trade and travel. During the next hundred years, the Church pushed for the persecution of the Jews while the rulers of Poland usually protected them.
The policy of the government toward the Jews of Poland oscillated under Casimir’s sons and successors, John I Olbracht (1492–1501) and Alexander the Jagiellonian (1501–1506). The latter expelled the Jews from the Grand Duchy of Lithuania in 1495 when he was the Grand Duke of Lithuania but reversed the law in 1503 shortly after becoming King of Poland.
A year later he issued a proclamation in which he stated that a policy of tolerance befitted “kings and rulers”, reversing his position just as the Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492, as well as from Austria, Bohemia and Germany, thus stimulating Jewish immigration to the much more tolerant Poland.
With the expulsion of the Jews from Spain, Poland became the recognized haven for exiles from western Europe; and the resulting accession to the ranks of noble Polish Jewry made it the cultural and spiritual center of the Jewish people.
Starting in the 16th century a significant number of Polish and Czech Jews emigrated into the Ukraine, White Russia and Lithuania.
SENATOR JOSEPH LIEBERMAN:
“We have a choice here: to go to tough economic sanctions to make diplomacy work or we will face the prospect of military action against Iran”
Munich Security Conference, Saturday 6th February 2010
http://america-hijacked.com/2010/02/06/u-s-senator-lieberman-impose-sanctions-on-iran-or-attack-it/
The same old tricks again:
Fearmongering
Boycott
Sanctions
War
The International Jew doesn’t rest in his effort to bring about the Jew World Order, the kingdom of the Antichrist.
Peter was NEVER in Rome!!!!!
Mention must be made of the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra or monastery, which started in Kiev in 1051 after the conversion of the Rus, during the reign of Yaroslav the Wise and metropolitan ministry of St. Ilarion.
When the number of brethren reached 100 monks, the Venerable Theodosius sent one of his monks to Constantinople to eunuch Ephraim to copy the Studion Statute and bring it to Kiev. At the same time Metropolitan George visited Kiev. He was accompanied by one of the monks of the Studion Monastery Michael, who delivered the monastic statute to the monastery. On the basis of these two versions the Statute of the Pechersk Monastery was drafted.
Morality and asceticism distinguished monks of the Kiev-Pechersk Monastery, and recluses in the first place. This attracted to the Lavra educated and famous people.
The monastery had become a kind of academy for the Orthodox hierarchs of Kievan Rus. By the beginning of the XIII century 50 bishops were nominated to different parts of Kievan Rus out of monastery brotherhood.
Many of Pechersk monks had become missionaries and set off to preach Christianity to those parts of Kievan Rus where population professed paganism.
The Venerable Eustratius the Faster in 1096 was captured by Polovtsians and sold to Jews and tortured to death for preaching Christianity. The Venerable Kuksha and his disciple Ioann, who baptised Vyatichi, were also tortured to death.
The Venerable Nikon the Dry converted to Christianity one of the famous Polovtsians and his family. Often monks’ sermons and appeals to princes were directed against intestine wars that tore up Kievan Rus, they called for preservation of prince’s power and order of succession to the throne of the Kiev dynasty representatives.
The Pechersk Monastery played an important role in the unification of the Eastern Slavonic Lands. It was their spiritual, social, cultural and educational centre. It was held in respect not only in Kievan Rus, but also in Poland, Armenia, Byzantine Romania, Bulgaria and other countries.
In the 1480s the Principality of Muscovy became the religious equivalent of the Caliphate or Holy Roman Empire based on the theory of the Third Rome, the successor to Byzantion-New Rome, and, it was believed that the Tsar ruled the only rightful, practically independent Orthodox state, surrounded by Muslim and Roman Catholic states.
According to prophecy, there were to be only three Romes, that is, centers of rightful religious faith. The first two, Archaic Rome and Constantinople, had already fallen, leaving the only hope on earth with Moscow.
The character of the government of Moscow under Ivan III changed essentially and took on a new autocratic form. This was due not merely to the natural consequence of the hegemony of Moscow over the other Russian lands but to new imperial recognitions.
After the fall of Constantinople, orthodox canonists regarded the Grand Princes of Moscow as the successors by the Byzantine emperors, and Ivan identified himself as Tsar in foreign correspondence.
This movement coincided with a change in the family circumstances of Ivan III. After the death of his first consort, Maria of Tver (1467), at the suggestion of Pope Paul II (1469), who hoped thereby to bind Russia to the Holy See, Ivan III wedded Sophia Paleologue (also known under her original Greek and Orthodox name of Zoe), daughter of Thomas Palaeologus, despot of Morea, who claimed the throne of Constantinople as the brother of, last Byzantine Roman emperor.
Frustrating the Pope’s hopes of re-uniting the two domains and faiths under his rule, the princess fully endorsed Orthodoxy. Due to her own family traditions, she encouraged imperial ideas in the mind of her consort. It was through her influence that the ceremonious etiquette of Constantinople (along with the imperial double-headed eagle and all that it implied) was adopted by the court of Moscow.
Fr. Joseph,
Thank you for the heads up. I already heard.
2013 is three years away, and His Holiness Patriarch Irinej has presented a delightful preliminary suggestion for the planning and celebration of a very important anniversary in Christian history in honor of the Edict of Toleration issued by Emperor Constantine which ended the Great Persecution of Christians by the pagan Roman Diocletian, who pronounced himself a god while he was still alive, by the way.
Emperor Constantine was born at Nis, Moesia (now Serbia) and was hailed as Augustus of the Roman West in York, Brittania by his troops. This might be something to help us orphans in Christian America connect a bit more with the living sense of the ancient historical Church.
According to this report, it is presented as a suggestion, with nothing yet engraved in stone, “no concrete arrangements have been made for the visit so far.”
It is however, a lovely bit of news, glory to God for all things, and it will be interesting watching developments.
http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_14285418
Serbia’s new patriarch urges Christian dialog
BELGRADE, Serbia—The new head of the Serbian Orthodox Church on Thursday urged dialogue to overcome long-standing divisions with Roman Catholics.
Patriarch Irinej said that a 2013 anniversary important to Christians would be a “good opportunity … to meet and talk.”
He added that “with God’s help this (dialogue) would continue to overcome what had happened in history and take a new, Christian road.”
The year 2013 marks 1700 years since Roman emperor Constantine the Great signed the Edict of Milan to establish religious tolerance for Christians.
Serbia’s patriarch has suggested that the ceremony to mark the anniversary could be held in the Serbian city of Nis, Emperor Constantine’s birthplace, and include Pope Benedict XVI as well as key Orthodox Christian leaders.
That would be the first ever visit by a pope to Serbia, a rare European country not visited by the Roman Catholic Pope.
The Serbian Orthodox Church had opposed the visit in the past because of the schism between the two churches, but also over the Balkan wars of the 1990s, which pitted Serbs against Croats, who are mostly Roman Catholics.
Irinej acknowledged that the war period “was not the right moment (for the papal visit) and we decided to postpone it for more peaceful times.” He added, however, that no concrete arrangements for the visit have been made so far.
The 80-year-old Irinej was elected last week to become the 45th Serbian patriarch. He is
He is considered to be a moderate in the influential church which is viewed as hardline conservative.
Irinej has retained firm opposition to the Western-backed opposition in Kosovo, the historic heartland of the Serbian church which split in 2008. He said Thursday that “Kosovo is soaked with Serbian blood” and “belongs to us.”
Heresy of the Judaizers infiltrated the Russian Church
However, Ivan III was also the catalyst of the crisis connected with the Sect of Skhariya the Jew, or Heresy of the Judaizers that appeared in Novgorad the Great and Moscow in the second half of the 15th century. The Judaizing heresy arose in Novgorod in the years 1470 and 1471, after a Kievan Jew named Zechariah (Skhary) proselytized the priest Alexei, who in turn enticed the priest Denis and many others, including the archpriest Gavril, into Judaism.
Around 1478, Ivan III, who had just subjugated Novgorod, installed the Judaizers in the chief cathedrals of the Moscow Kremlin. In 1484 or 1485, the influential state secretary and diplomat Fyodor Kuritsyn and the Hungarian “Martin” joined with Alexei and Denis and eventually attracted, among others, Metropolitan Zosima (r. 1490 – 1494), as well as Ivan III’s daughter-in-law Elena of Moldavia, and others.
Meanwhile, Archbishop Gennady of Novgorod (r. 1484 – 1504) discovered the Novgorod heretics and started a campaign against them, which was later taken up by Joseph of Volotsk. Synods were held in Moscow in 1488 and 1490 against the Judaizers.
The Judaizers elevated Old Testament and Talmudic law, required circumcision, denigrated Christian scripture and patristic writings, attacked icons and monasticism, and denied the Trinity and the Incarnation.
They dissimulated in the presence of steadfast adherents of Orthodoxy, practiced astrology and black magic, and after the end of the Russian Orthodox year 7000 (1492 AD.) ridiculed Christian writings that had predicted the Second Coming around that time, and especially the New Testament for describing its own era as the last epoch.
They also opposed the condemnation of heretics and demanded that repentant heretics not be punished.
These accusations go back to the scriptural, astronomical, and philosophical interchanges between Jews and Orthodox Christians in western Rus during the fifteenth century. In addition, the Judaizers were more open to secular culture and rationalism than most representatives of the official church.
Some of the accusations of heresy may have derived from issues pertaining to specific icons, to various Novgorodian practices, to the use of Jewish astronomical knowledge, to Moscow’s treatment of conquered Novgorod, and even to church lands.
A similar outbreak of Judaizing occurred in Novgorod and Moscow during the 1550s, it was attributed to Protestant, not Jewish, influences. Although not entirely clear, this would appear to have had the demand for texts of Holy Scripture translated into the vernacular rather than Greek or Latin.
Despite his previous friendship with them during his reform labors in the Catholic Church, Martin Luther himself firmly held fast to the liturgical and sacramental traditions, and had thoroughly denounced the Jews after studying the Talmud and demanded that it be burned, justifiably incensed at their corruptions and perfidy.
In any case, the phenomenon of dissidence prompted Archbishop Gennady to assemble a coterie of Orthodox and Catholic experts to compile the first complete Slavonic Bible and make other useful translations since the missionary work of Kyril and Methodios.
The religious zeal of the theory of the Third Rome reasoned for the ultimate measures against the Antichrist “enemies of the faith”, especially the Jews. Muscovite treatment of the Jews became harsher in the reign of Ivan IV The Formidable.
Jews were not tolerated in the area of Muscovy; from 1721 the official doctrine of Imperial Russia was openly “anti-Semitic”.
Even if Jews were tolerated for some modest time, eventually they were expelled. These policies made Muscovite Russia a very hostile environment for Jewish people.
In the 15th century Jewish merchants traveled still unhindered from the Polish-Lithuanian Kingdom to Moscow. But that changed under Ivan [IV] the Formidable: Jew merchants were forbidden entry.
When in 1550 the Polish King Sigismund August desired to permit them free entry into Russia, this was denied by Ivan purportedly with these words:
“We absolutely do not permit the entry of the Jew into my lands, because we do not wish to see evil in our lands, but rather may God grant that the people in my land may have rest from that irritation. And you, our brother, should not write us on account of the Jews again,” for they had “alienated the Russians from Christianity, brought poisonous plants into our lands and done much evil to our lands.”
The turn of the 13th and 14th centuries saw the end of feudal disintegration in Poland. In the reunited kingdom the role of towns and the burghers grew. The rulers, interested in the development of a commodity money economy, encouraged Jewish immigration. The most outstanding of those rulers was Casimir the Great who in 1334, a year after ascending the throne, acknowledged the privilege granted the Jews in Great Poland by Boleslaus the Pious in 1264. As a result Jews were exempted from German law and came under the jurisdiction of the voivodes.
In the 14th and 15th centuries the main occupation of Jews in Poland was local and long distance trade. Jews performed the role of middlemen in trade between Poland and Hungary, Turkey and the Italian colonies on the Black Sea. They also took part in the Baltic trade and commercial operations in Silesia. Owing to their links with Jewish communities in other countries as well as experience in trade and moneylending operations, Jewish merchants gained the advantage over local merchants, both in European and overseas trade.
Following protests by the rich Polish burghers and the clergy, the scope of credit operations conducted by the Jews was seriously curtailed in the early 15th century. In 1423 the statute of Warka forbade Jews the granting of loans against letters of credit or mortgage and limited their operations exclusively to loans made on security of moveable property.
The amassed capital was invested by the Jews in leaseholds. In the 14th and 15th centuries rich Jewish merchants and moneylenders leased the royal mint, salt mines and the collecting of customs and tolls. The most famous of them were Jordan and his son Lewko of Krakow in the 14th century and Jakub Slomkowicz of Luck, Wolczko of Drohobycz, Natko of Lvov, Samson of Zydaczow, Josko of Hrubieszow and Szania of Belz in the 15th century.
For example, Wolczko of Drohobycz, King Ladislaus Jagiello’s broker, was the owner of several villages in the Ruthenian voivodship and the soitys (administrator) of the village of Werbiz. Also Jews from Grodno were in this period owners of villages, manors, meadows, fish ponds and mills.
However until the end of the 15th century agriculture as a source of income played only a minor role among Jewish families. More important were crafts for the needs of both their fellow Jews and the Christian population (fur making, tanning, tailoring).
In the 15th century Jews appeared in many cities in Great Poland, Little Poland, Kuyavia, Pomerania and Red Ruthenia. In the 1450s Polish towns gave shelter to Jewish refugees from Silesia which was then ruled by the Habsburgs. Towards the end of the Middle Ages Jews lived in 85 towns in Poland and their total number amounted to 18,000 in Poland and 6,000 in Lithuania, which represented merely 0.6 per cent of the total population of the two states.
The 16th and the first half of the 17th century saw increased settlement and a relatively fast rate of natural population growth among both Polish and Lithuanian Jews. The number of immigrants also grew, especially in the 16th century.
Among the new arrivals there were not only the Ashkenazim, banished from the countries belonging to the Habsburg monarchy, that is Germany, Bohemia, Hungary and Lower Silesia (in the 1580’s the whole of Silesia had only two Jewish communities, in Glogow and Biala), but also the Sephardim who were driven away from Spain and Portugal.
Moreover many Sephardic Jews from Italy and Turkey came to Poland of their own free will.
Towards the end of the 16th century the flood of immigration abated and new communities were founded generally as a result of the movement of the population from the crowded districts to new quarters.
In around 1648 Jews lived in over half of all cities in the Polish Commonwealth, but the center of Jewish life moved from the western and central parts of Poland to eastern voivodships where two out of three townships had Jewish communities.
Beginning in the middle of the 16th century Jews started to settle in the countryside in larger numbers. In the middle of the 17th century there were 500,000 Jews living in Poland, which meant some five per cent of the total population of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
Despite these difficulties Jewish crafts, which were encouraged by royal starosts and owners of gentry jurisdictions, not only maintained their state of ownership but expanded it considerably. In the middle of the 17th century Polish and Lithuanian Jews practiced over 50 trades (43 in Red Ruthenia) and were represented in all branches of craftsmanship.
The most numerous of them were those who made food, leather and textile products, clothing, objects of gold and pewter and glass manufacturers. In the first half of the 17th century Jewish craftsmen founded their own guilds in Krakow, Lvov and Przemysl.
In Biala Cerkiew several Jewish craftsmen (tailors and slaughterers) belonged to Christian guilds in 1641.
In the 16th and the first half of the 17th century Jews played an outstanding role in Poland’s foreign trade. They contributed to the expansion of contacts with both the east and the west and were instrumental in importing foreign commercial experience to Poland.
Particularly animated trade contacts were maintained by Jewish merchants with England and the Netherlands through Gdansk, and Hungary and Turkey through Lvov and Krakow. Jews exported not only Polish agricultural produce and cattle but also ready-made products, particularly furs and clothing.
In return they brought in goods from east and west which were much sought after in Poland. Jewish wholesalers appeared at large fairs in Venice, Florence, Leipzig, Hamburg, Frankfurt on Main, Wroclaw and Gdansk. In order to expand their trade contacts they entered into partnerships.
The expansion of Jewish trade troubled the burghers for whom Jewish competition was all the more painful since they now had yet another rival in the developing gentry trade. The struggle of part of the burghers against Jewish merchants manifested itself among other things in attempts at curtailing Jewish trade.
The monarchs, though generally favorably disposed towards the Jews, under the pressure from the burghers and the clergy passed a number of decrees which restricted Jewish wholesale trade to some commodities or else to certain quotas of purchases they were allowed to make.
More severe restrictions were contained in agreements concluded between municipal authorities and Jewish communities, though these were seldom observed in practice. In private towns, Jewish trade, which yielded considerable profit to the owners, could develop without any obstacles.
The Jews’ trading activity also encompassed credit operations. The richest Jewish merchants were often at the same time financiers. The most famous Jewish bankers were the Fiszels in Krakow and the Nachmanowiczs in Lvov as well as Mendel Izakowicz and Izak Brodawka in Lithuania.
Those and a number of other Jews pioneered centralized credit operations in Poland.
Though banking institutions created by them mainly financed large Jewish tenancies and wholesale trade, as a sideline they also lent money to the gentry on pledge of incoming crops and to Jewish entrepreneurs.
A positive role was also played by much smaller loans granted by Jews to many small craft and trade shops. In many cases these loans were instrumental in opening a business.
The lending of money at high interest led to the impoverishment of Christian debtors, and to a far lesser degree, hapless Jews. Some of them were put in prison as a result and their families were left with no means of subsistence. This money lending activity aggravated prejudice against Jews among the burghers, something which had always been there anyway due to their religious and traditional separateness.
An important field of the Jews’ economic activity were tenancies. In the period under discussion, next to rich merchants and bankers who held in lease large economic enterprises and the collecting of incomes from customs and taxes, there appeared a numerous group of small lease holders of mills, breweries and inns.
There also increased the number of Jewish subtenants, scribes and tax collectors employed by rich holders. Some of the latter sometimes attained important positions.
For example, in 1525, during the ceremonies connected with the Prussian Homage, without relinquishing his Jewish faith the main collector of Jewish taxes in Lithuania, Michal Ezofowicz was knighted and given the crest of Leliwa. His brother Abraham Ezofowicz, who had been baptized, was also knighted and granted the starosty of Minsk and the office of Lithuanian deputy treasurer.
In the first quarter of the 16th century, Jewish lease holders performed their functions as full-fledged heads of enterprises subordinated to them, for example salt mines and customs offices.
“In this period,” wrote in 1521 Justus Ludwik Decius, the chronicler of Sigismund the Old, “Jews are gaining in importance; there is hardly any toll or tax for which they would not be responsible or at least to which they would not aspire. Christians are generally subordinate to the Jews. Among the rich and noble families of the Commonwealth you will not find one who would not favor the Jews on their estates and give them power over Christians.”
The gentry, who in the 16th century conducted an unrelentless struggle against the magnates, came out against the leasing of salt mines, customs and tolls to the Jews by the lords and the king. Under the influence of the gentry, the diet of Piotrkow in 1538 forbade Jews to take in lease public incomes.
This ban was reiterated several times by subsequent diets but it proved only partly effective. In 1581 the autonomous representation of the Jews (the Diet of the Four Lands), which gathered in Lublin, took a decision which, under penalty of anathema, forbade fellow Jews taking the lease of salt mines, mints, taxes on the sale of liquor and customs and tolls in Great Poland, Little Poland and Mazovia.
This ban was justified in the following way: “People fired by the greed of great income and wealth owing to those large tenancies, may bring unto the whole [Jewish population]- God forbid-a great danger.”
From that time on, Jewish lease holders were active only in Red Ruthenia, Podolya, Volhynia, west bank Ukraine and Lithuania.
In the tenancies supervised by the Jews as well as in the estates run by the gentry, feudal exploitation of the Christian peasant serfs often led to local revolts which in the Ukraine turned into a Cossack and peasant uprising. The cooperation of the Jewish lease holders with the magnates in the latter’s colonial policy caused these revolts often to be held under the slogan of struggle against the Poles and Jews.
Next to crafts, trade, banking and leasing operations, agriculture had become an increasingly important source of income for the Jewish population in the eastern regions of the Commonwealth.
In Ruthenia they were engaged not only in moneylending and trade but also soil cultivation. In towns Jews owned fields and gardens. In Chelm in 1636 Jewish landless peasants were forced to do serf labor. In villages Jews also toiled the land adjoining the inns, mills and breweries they held in lease.
Some Jews earned their living as paid kahal officials, musicians, horse drivers, factors on gentry estates and in the houses of rich merchants, as middlemen known as barishniki, servants, salesmen, etc.
There was also a large group of beggars and cripples without any means of subsistence.
Only some of them obtained from time to time assistance from charity organizations and were given a place to sleep in an almshouse. In view of the growing financial differentiation among the Jews social conflicts intensified.
The middle of the 16th century saw the beginning of opposition by Jewish craftsmen against individuals who placed their capital in leather, textile and clothing manufacture. The struggle of the populace against rich merchants and bankers was reflected in the activity of Salomon Efraim of Keczyca, an outstanding plebeian preacher.
In his book Ir Gibborim (The Town of Heroa), published in 1580 in Basle, he sharply criticized the exploitation of the poor by the rich. He also attacked the rabbis who tried to gain the favor of the wealthy Jews. He presented his views not only in his books and lectures in the synagogue, but also during fairs which were attended by numerous Jews.
There are records of joint revolts by Jewish craftsmen and Christian “patcher” against the guild elders. There were also joint revolts of the Jews and the burghers against the gentry. This found expression in an agreement which in 1589 Jews in Kamionka Strumilowa concluded with the municipal authorities “with the consent of all the populace”.
The councilors “accepted the Jews into their own laws and freedoms while they [the Jews] undertook to carry the same burdens as the burghers”. Jews pledged themselves to help in keeping order and cleanliness in the town, hold guard and take part in anti-flood operations together with Christians.
The latter promised that they would “defend those Jews as our real neighbors from intrusions and violence of both the gentry and soldiers. They would defend them and prevent all harm done to them… since they are our neighbors.”
The rapid development of Jewish settlement and economic activity was accompanied by expansion of their self-government organization. In the 16th century its structure had no equal in all of Europe.
As in the Middle Ages, every autonomous Jewish community was governed by its kahal or a collegiate body composed of elders elected as a rule from among the local wealthiest.
The kahal organized funerals and administered cemeteries, schools, baths, slaughterhouses and the sale of kosher meat. In the closed “Jewish cities” it also took care of cleanliness and order in the Jewish quarter and the security of its inhabitants.
To this should be added the administering of charities such as the organization of hospitals and other welfare institutions and the dowering of poor brides. Another important function was to establish the amount of taxes each individual household in the given community was to pay.
The first mention of a Jew’s direct participation in battle against enemies of the Commonwealth dates from the middle of the 16th century.
During the reign of Stephen Bathory there served in the Polish army one Mendel Izakowicz from Kazimierz near Krakow. He was a bridge builder and military engineer and during the war against Muscovy rendered considerable services to the Polish army.
During the war with Muscovy in 1610-12 in one regiment only, probably one of those belonging to Lisowski’s light cavalry, more than ten Jews served at one time. A certain number of Jews also fought on the Polish side in the Smolensk war of 1632-34 and some of them were taken prisoner by the enemy.
The year 1648, when the Cossack uprising under Bohdan Chmielnicki broke up, was a breakthrough in the history of both the Commonwealth and Polish Jewry. The country was plunged into economic crisis made worse by war devastation.
The wars against the Ukraine, Russia, Sweden, Turkey and the Tartars, which Poland fought almost uninterruptedly between 1648 and 1717, brought in their wake a permanent downfall of towns and agriculture and decimated the population.
During Bohdan Chmielnicki’s revolt and Polish wars against the Ukraine and Russia, Jewish communities in the areas occupied by enemy troops were completely wiped out. Some Jews were murdered, some emigrated to central Poland and the rest left for Western Europe.
The drop in the number of the Jewish population during the Ukrainian uprisings against Poland (1648-54) is estimated as amounting to some 20 to 25 per cent, that is between 100,000 and 125,000.
It is often claimed that this number were slaughtered, but a rapid growth in the number of the Jewish population was recorded in the 18th century, after 1717.
It is estimated that in 1766, when the census of Jews obliged to pay poll taxes was concluded, there were in the Commonwealth as a whole some 750,000 Jews, which constituted seven per cent of the total population of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
At this time, some 29 per cent of all Jews lived in ethnically Polish areas, 44 per cent in Lithuania and Byelorussia and 27 per cent in regions with a predominantly Ukrainian population. Two thirds of all Jews lived in towns and the remainder in the countryside.
Following the first partition of Poland some 150,000 Jews found themselves under Austrian occupation, about 25,000 in the Russian zone and only 5,000 in Prussia.
The population census conducted in Poland in 1790-91 demonstrated a further increase in the number of Jewish inhabitants. Tadeusz Czacki estimated them at over 900,000, that is some 10 per cent of the total population of the then Commonwealth.
In the same period (1780) in the Austrian zone there were over 150,000 Jews and several tens of thousands in the remaining partition zones.
The reconstruction of towns after each war took a long time. The quickest to emerge from ruin were the estates of magnates who willingly employed the Jewish population.
In the eastern part of the Commonwealth and partly in central Poland Jews played an important role in reactivating crafts, and not only such traditionally Jewish branches as goldsmithery, pewter, haberdashery and glass manufacture, furriery and tailoring, but also tin and copper working, arms production, carpentry, printing, dying and soap manufacture.
There appeared in this period a large number of Jewish craftsmen who traveled from village to village, from manor to manor, in search of temporary employment. The material situation of Jewish craftsmen was generally difficult.
The pauperization of towns and villages made it hard to sell their products both for Jewish craftsmen and their Christian counterparts. In the large cities, rivalry between the guilds on the one hand and the Jewish and Christian “patchers” on the other bred conflicts. These often ended in compromise and Jews more often than ever before were admitted to Christian guilds.
At the same time, next to the old ones, new, purely Jewish guilds were formed, for example in Poznari, Krakow, Lvov, Przemysl, Kepno, Leszno, Luck, Berdyczow, Minsk, Tykocin and Bialystok.
The reconstruction of towns after each war took a long time. The quickest to emerge from ruin were the estates of magnates who willingly employed the Jewish population.
In the eastern part of the Commonwealth and partly in central Poland Jews played an important role in reactivating crafts, and not only such traditionally Jewish branches as goldsmithery, pewter, haberdashery and glass manufacture, furriery and tailoring, but also tin and copper working, arms production, carpentry, printing, dying and soap manufacture.
There appeared in this period a large number of Jewish craftsmen who traveled from village to village, from manor to manor, in search of temporary employment. The material situation of Jewish craftsmen was generally difficult.
The pauperization of towns and villages made it hard to sell their products both for Jewish craftsmen and their Christian counterparts. In the large cities, rivalry between the guilds on the one hand and the Jewish and Christian “patchers” on the other bred conflicts. These often ended in compromise and Jews more often than ever before were admitted to Christian guilds. At the same time, next to the old ones, new, purely Jewish guilds were formed, for example in Poznari, Krakow, Lvov, Przemysl, Kepno, Leszno, Luck, Berdyczow, Minsk, Tykocin and Bialystok.
During the wars of the middle of the 17th century Jewish wholesale trade, both long distance and foreign, came nearly to a standstill. Only in some cities, for example Brody and Leszno, Jewish merchants, thanks to considerable support on the part of the magnates, succeeded in renewing contacts with Gdansk, Wroclaw, Krolewiec, Frankfurt on Oder and to a lesser degree with England.
Thanks to the magnates’ assistance local, Jewish trade also began to expand. Most shops in the reconstructed town halls were leased to Jews (for example in Staszow, Siemiatycze, Kock, Siedlce and Bialystok). Peddling was also spreading as a result of which trade exchange between town and country, interrupted during the wars, was revived.
After the middle of the 17th century wars radical changes took place in the organization of credits. Large banking houses disappeared and the kahals, instead of being creditors, turned into debtors.
Representatives of the gentry and the clergy increasingly often placed their money in Jewish communities at the same time forcing the latter to take genuine responsibility for the debts of individual Jews. In case a kahal was unable to repay its debts, the gentry had the right to seal and dose down its prayer house, imprison the elders and confiscate goods belonging to merchants.
In order to safeguard themselves against the lightheartedness of individual debtors the communities applied the credit hazakah, which consisted in the community issuing permissions to its members who wanted to avail themselves of credit. Whether someone was given a loan or not was often decided by a clique consisting of the kahal elders.
Part of the capital leased from the gentry and the clergy and augmented by means of interest disappeared into the pockets of the kahal oligarchy, while part of it was turned over to nonproductive purposes, for example to financing defense in ritual murder trials, paying for the lords’ protection, etc.
In the first half of the 18th century the gentry and the clergy became anxious of the fate of money located in the Jewish communities and the interests from unpaid debts which were growing in a landslide.
When the above mentioned methods failed to produce adequate results, the krupki were applied, that is a consumption taxation, the income from which was destined totally for paying off the debts. Finally in 1764 a decision was taken on abolishing kahal banks altogether and servicing debts by taxing each Jew.
As a result of the general impoverishment of the Jewish population in the second half of the 17th and in the 18th century, differences between the people and the kahal oligarchy deepened, the latter trying to pass the burden of the growing state and kahal taxes onto the shoulders of the poorer classes.
In several cities Jewish poor revolted against the kahal oligarchies. A fierce struggle against the kahals was carried out by Jewish guilds which tried to free themselves from their economic dependence.
At the same time, especially in larger royal towns, conflicts fired by economic rivalry broke out between Jews and Christians. The tense atmosphere of this struggle, conducted usually under religious slogans, was conducive to the outbreak of anti-Jewish riots and pogroms.
However much more dangerous was the situation in the Ukraine where the Jews returned only in the late 17th century. The role played in the 18th century by Jewish lease holders in the Polish magnates’ oppressive colonial policy turned the anger of the local populace, as was the case during Bohdan Chmielnicki’s uprising, against both the Polish gentry and Jews generally.
However much more dangerous was the situation in the Ukraine where the Jews returned only in the late 17th century. The role played in the 18th century by Jewish lease holders in the Polish magnates’ colonial policy turned the anger of the local populace, as was the case during Bohdan Chmielnicki’s uprising, against both the Polish gentry and Jews generally.
In 1768, during a peasant rebellion organized under the slogans of “winning independence” and defense of the Russian Orthodox religion, in Humari and several other Ukrainian cities several thousand gentry and several tens of thousand Jews were slain.
Neither was the difficult Jewish question solved in the Prussian and Austrian partition zones. In the Prussian zone, according to the decree issued by Frederick II, the Jewish population was to be subordinated to the Prussian Jewish ordinance of 17 April 1797.
The right to permanent residence in towns was granted only to rich Jews and those engaged in trade. Jews were forbidden to pursue those occupations which were already represented in the guilds.
The poor Jews, the Bettel Juden, were ordered by Frederick II to be expelled from the country. The activity of Jewish self-government organizations was limited almost exclusively to religious affairs.
In the Austrian partition zone the attitude towards the Jewish question went through two stages, In the initial period during the reign of Maria Theresa and the first years of rule of Joseph II, the separateness of the Jewish population from the rest of Galician society was retained and, with only slight modifications, Jewish self-government was preserved. The poorest Jews were expelled from the country.
In the second half of the 17th century Jews took an increasingly numerous part in the wars fought by the Commonwealth. During wars against the Cossacks and the Tartars, the Jewish population provided infantry and mounted troops. Some young Jews fought in the open field, for example in the battle of Beresteczko. Jews also fought in defense of besieged cities.
During Poland’s wars with Sweden (1655-60), Russia (1654-67) and Turkey (1667-99) Jews provided recruits and participated in the city’s defense together with the burghers and gentry organized sorties to the enemy’s camp. The military engineer Jezue Moszkowicz of Kazimierz near Krakow, who in 1664 served in the Polish army, saved heavy mortars and other weapons from being sunk during the war against Russia.
During the Kosciuszko Insurrection and wars against Tsarist Russia in 1794 Jews supported the uprising either in auxiliary services or in arms. For example they took part in the April revolution in Warsaw where many of them perished. After the Russian army was repulsed from Warsaw the idea was born to create a separate military unit composed of Jewish volunteers.
This idea was backed by the commander in chief of the Insurrection, Tadeusz Kosciuszko. “Nothing can convince more the far away nations about the holiness of our cause and the justness of the present revolution,” he wrote in a Statement on the Formation of a Regiment of Jews, “than that, though separated from us by their religion and customs, they sacrifice their own lives of their own free will in order to support the uprising.”
The Jewish regiment under Colonel Berek Josielewicz took part in the fighting during the storming of the Praga district of Warsaw by Tsarist troops on 4 November 1794. With the blood shed in this war they documented the loyalty of the Jewish population to the cause of the revolution and the slogans it upheld – equality and fraternity.
Bibliography: (oops)
http://members.core.com/~mikerose/history.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Poland.html
http://www.friends-partners.org/partners/beyond-the-pale/english/18.html
http://www.cyberroad.com/poland/jews.html
Nazi Racism Had Its Roots In Judaism
Derived from: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/04-26-46.asp
Proof that the Nazis got many of their racist ideas from Jews, and that the Jews are racists as a religious group, comes from the Nuremberg trials, where Julius Streicher affirmed that the Nuremberg Laws of 1935 were patterned after racist religious Jewish Law which is the basis of Nazism…
“Yes, I believe I had a part in it insofar as for years I have written that any further mixture of German blood with Jewish blood must be avoided.
I have written such articles again and again; and in my articles I have repeatedly emphasized the fact that the Jews should serve as an example to every race, for they (received) a racial law for themselves – the law of Moses, which says, ‘If you come into a foreign land you shall not take unto yourself foreign women.’ And that, Gentlemen, is of tremendous importance in judging the Nuremberg Laws.
These laws of the Jews were taken as a model for these (Nuremburg) laws. When, after centuries, the Jewish lawgiver Ezra discovered that notwithstanding many Jews had married non-Jewish women, these marriages were dissolved. That was the beginning of Jewry which, because it introduced these racial laws, has survived throughout the centuries, while all other races and civilizations have perished.”
Dr. Marx asked Julius Streicher,
“Were you of the opinion that the 1935 legislation represented the final solution of the Jewish question by the State?”
Streicher responded that Zionism (as Theodor Herzl himself had already stated) was the final solution of the Jewish question…
“With reservations, yes. I was convinced that if the Party program was carried out, the Jewish question would be solved. The Jews became German citizens in 1848. Their rights as citizens were taken from them by these laws. Sexual intercourse was prohibited.
For me, this represented the solution of the Jewish problem in Germany. But I believed that another international solution would still be found, and that some day discussions would take place between the various states with regard to the demands made by Zionism. These demands aimed at a Jewish state.”
– Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 14 November 1945 – 1 October 1946, Volume 12, Secretariat of the Tribunal, Nuremberg, Germany, p. 316.
HATE ATTACKS ON JEWISH TARGETS HIT RECORD HIGH
From: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/156352/Hate-attacks-on-Jewish-targets-hit-record-high
Friday February 5, 2010
Prime Minister Gordon Brown led the calls for action as he vowed to fight a shocking growth in “the ancient hatred”.
(Action?? Let’s start with a ban on the Babylonian Talmud – the most ancient, blatant piece of racist hate literature in existence!)
Shadow Schools Secretary Michael Gove said:
“British Jewish citizens face a real and growing danger. History tells us when Jewish people feel less safe, society as a whole is becoming less safe.”
(I’m sure that the Germans who are still alive can attest to that! Sounds a lot like a threat to me!)
They were speaking after it was revealed that anti-Semitic incidents rose by 69 per cent to 924 in 2009, with abusive behaviour almost doubling. Attacks on Jewish children and schools also showed alarming increases.
The 2009 figure is 55 per cent up on the previous highest level of 598 in 2006. The Community Security Trust, which released the figures, said the major factor in the unprecedented level of attacks was the conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza. A total of 23 per cent of incidents made reference to Gaza.
The record number of attacks included 124 of extreme violence (these included assaults causing grievous bodily harm), 89 of damage and desecration, 317 of abusive behaviour and 98 school attacks.
(But how many of these incidents were really hoaxes?)
(…) Mr Brown said: “Anti-Semitism is one of the most ancient of hatreds, and yet it constantly adapts to modern times, requiring ever-greater vigilance from all of us who are determined to stand up for tolerance and for the truth.
Whether online, on campus or on the streets there is absolutely no place for racism or discrimination of any sort and the Community Security Trust has my whole-hearted support in its work with the police and the Jewish community.(…)”
Adolf Hitler’s ‘Mein Kampf’ To Be Republished In Germany
From: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/7156536/Adolf-Hitlers-Mein-Kampf-to-be-republished-in-Germany.html
Mein Kampf became a better seller than the Bible in the Third Reich.
(…) Hitler became a multi-millionaire through royalties while newspapers around the world, including some in the UK, serialised his work.
(…) It was written when he was sentenced to five years in jail for attempting to overthrow the government in 1924.
(…) Over 12 million copies were sold in Nazi Germany. Recently an edition of the book became a best seller in Turkey.
Dear RZN Christians,
The following is an article by Brian Akira, who himself is an Orthodox Christian according to his website. I found this article by link from Curt Maynard’s recently renamed blog, “PC Apostate III”.
I sent Curt “Forensic Armageddon” by email, and not long after he provided Akira’s article, which is an in depth and quite critical look at the “Christian Identity” and “British Israel” movements, and their historical roots. I found it educational.
http://brianakira.wordpress.com/2010/02/03/identity-genocide/
@ Norseman
Here is a direct link to a list of wall Street investments with the U$S 826 million cipher.
http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_01.htm#Building%20the%20German%20Cartels
Norseman, I abhor the idea of a comming New World Order, a fascist take over of the world.
You surely are aware of the multiple similarities between Nazism and Judaism regarding racial purity, eugenics, etc., as stated very well by Prodigal Son, regarding 1935 Nuremberg Racial Laws.
Maybe Rockefeller and minions extracted their weird ideas, back in the 1920/1930 from Judaism with all their “scientific” work and joint conferences with German specialists.
I believe that is the fore of every individual to preserve their own race, traditions, etc. not the State.
Facts for reflexion, dear friend.
Interesting video on german banking-BIS.
http://www.cosmolearning.com/documentaries/banking-with-hitler-1998/3/
Dear ivan in ohio,
This is a repeat post of a previous post that I did,
The Septuagint is the Old Testament quoted almost 100% of the time in the New Testament. No other version is quoted.
Moreover, the Septuagint was “translated” by Jews, into Greek, because of the shortcomings of the Original Hebrew script. Namely, the short comings were that the original Hebrew text was written in consonants only and without spaces between words thus, in order for a Jew to read scripture they would have to memorize it all, much like muslims do today with the Koran.
The reason why they had to memorize it, was that due to the short comings mentioned above, it was easy to change many writings into variants or even completely different versions, while still matching the original script. Thus, Elder Jews of the time, decided to authoritatively translate from the Hebrew script into fully specific Greek. They did this, in order to make sure that interpretations of the original text were correct and matched the Oral tradition passed through the ages.
Most importantly however, it must be mentioned that this translation, (the Septuagint) was done BEFORE the coming Christ and thus did not include the bias that Jews would have later, after the coming of Christ.
Now, the Masoretic text, was a translation AFTER the coming of Christ, done by ANTICHRIST Jews, who translated critical points in such a way that the original message was diminished or changed, particularly, but not exclusively, with respect to the Prophecies of the coming of the Messiah.
The fact is, that the translation done by the seventy Jewish elders for Greek-speaking Jews, was directed and done by the Grace of God, since it would be an impartial translation into the the VERY powerful Greek language, which will produce NO ambiguity and NO short comings.
Thus, as you can see, to use the Septuagint, is good and proper for many reasons. Likewise, to use to Masoretic text simply because it is written in Hebrew, for the reasons presented above, is a recipe for watering down the faith and tradition. In the light of the actions taken by the Jews after the coming of Christ, why would anyone trust such a translation as the Masoretic texts?
And as far as other translations go, the question which must be asked is, WHY translate something from the Masoretic text when all of the above is true and in fact, WHY would any person who can read the original Greek refer to anything else, when we know that even Jesus Christ, referred to the Greek Septuagint?
Finally, may I remind you what Jesus Christ Him Self said when He met some of the first Greeks that came to Him:
John 12:20-26
20And there were certain Greeks among them that came up to worship at the feast:
21The same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus.
22Philip cometh and telleth Andrew: and again Andrew and Philip tell Jesus.
23And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
24Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
26If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
It is my firm belief, that the reason why He said this, is also partially due to the up keeping of the Septuagint, as the main authoritative text to use for the old Testament. but of course it goes much further than that, think for a minute, WHY Christ did not mention the “glory” of the roman Church to come when He met Romans but He did clearly do so when He met Greeks?
The reason should be obvious to those who truly Love the Truth.
Stav
Dear ivan in ohio,
Thus, it is fallacy to think to translate from the Greek when it comes to the NT and from the Hebrew when it comes to the OT. In fact, for both the NT and the OT, the Greek versions should be used.
One of the first things to do when arguing over Scripture, is to know and choose the best sources. Especially when it comes to the OT and the Septuagint.
And again, this is one more reason why Holy Tradition is to be put before Scripture as it is the one single criterion that provides a valid way to deem Scripture, doctrine and practice as valid or not.
And the single reason why nobody should trust the Masoretic text is because it was created by Jews, AFTER the coming of Christ the Messiah, who would make sure to support their views in it, because they hate Christ.
Stav
When Hitler came to power he forbade Freemasonry.
He had nothing to do with it and Himmler ridiculed it. Never was Hitler in occult stuff. If some of you are able to read German there is a book named Hitler’s Wien what is brilliant about history and why and where he got his views from. He never wanted war-that’s right.
I still hope that Putin will give my country a peace contract. USA did not give it to Germany so many years now after WW2. We still have the enemy clause in the UN but have to deliver soldiers for Afghanistan.
May Peace be with us in God and Christ.
http://www.trueorthodox.com
I DID NOT KNOW THAT MR. (sic) METAXAKIS WAS A 33RD DEGREE FREEMASON. Guess we all learn something new everyday. I thought it was forbidden to be a mason in the Canon Laws.
Brother Nathanael, I printed your picture 8 x10 and framed it. The one in Boston with your big beautiful blessed smile. Put it on top of my bookcase with all my religious books. Fits in well.
What is the story with all these masons that were in the Greek patriachate? What is the status patriarchate in Constantinople? ( I will never, ever call it Istanbul). Is it legitimate? I’m confused. Especially after googling and finding this link.
http://mymartyrdom.com/orthomason.htm
Stav et all
The Old Testament as far as I can ascertain survives in written form in fragments and documents dated later than and far less numerous than surviving copies of the New Testament. Or at least this was true until the Hammadi manuscripts and the Dead Sea Scolls were propitiously found in jars and caves, timeline not so far from the formation of Israel.
There are big questions about the authenticity of the newer finds.
Or at least this was true until the Dead Sea Scrolls etc were found. There is strong evidence they were forgeries to support a line
Dear BoTheExMarine,
I tried to find any material such as this about a month or so ago, but didn’t look where you did, apparently.
There is much evidence given of the sort that answers doubts about the purity of the Orthodox patriarchy in certain instances.
I am going to try to get to the bottom of the matter myself now that you have opened up the way.
Peace in Christ.
Dear Galindes,
The source you provided is again the book by Antony Sutton. To be honest, I do not know which were his motives, but the book is not objective at all.
All the payments listed in the book were part of the Dawes and Young plans, and took place in the TWENTIES (check it yourself). Again, let me remind you that Hitler rose to power in 1933. However Sutton wants us believe -with little success- that Hitler somehow benefitted from these payments. This is absolute nonsense. In the end he must himself state:
“The Young Plan was assertedly a device to occupy Germany with American capital…”
National-Socialism was one of the ENEMIES of the Weimar Republic (the other being Communism), each contribution to stabilize the system was necessarily against Hitler.
As Sonne rightly pointed out above Germany continues to suffer from the yoke of International Jewry. They tried -and still try- to destroy the Germans at all costs, they will never forgive them that they reminded the world which is the real ENEMY of Mankind. If we are to objectively judge the history of the 20th century, we have to accept that this was one of Hitler’s achievements.
The first to show us who are the “offspring of the serpent” (Gen. 3:15) was Jesus Christ himself (e.g. John 8:44).
Stav, if you are going to write tracts on the canonized scriptures (which belong to the sacred deposit and the patriarchy of Holy Church – namely the one who is “Custodian of the Vine”)then you do need to read and contemplate it in the prayer of the Church. Namely liturgy.
In the Roman Catholic Church this is the Ordo.
You pose the question: “Why did Christ not mention the glory of the ‘roman’ church when he met Romans but he clearly did do so when he met Greeks?”
I hope the schismatic Greek Orthodox body is not now deleting verses from the Gospels.
Your imply there is a conclusion to be drawn from this false statement of yours and “The reason should be obvious to those who truly Love the Truth”.
In the Gospels, there is no mention of either the Church in Greece or Rome by name.
Our Lord did speak very approvingly to the Israelite Greeks who came to him in the verses which you have quoted.
He did also speak well to certain of the Romans and he did some of his most wondrous miracles for them:
“And when He had entered into Capernum there came to him a centurion beseeching him.
And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy and is grievously tormented.
And Jesus said to him: I will come and heal him.
And the centurion making answer said: ‘Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldst enter under my roof: but only say the word and my servant shall be healed.
For I also am a man subject to authority, having under me soldiers and I say this, ‘Go and he goeth’ and to anther ‘Come and he cometh and to my servant ‘Do this’ and he does it.
And Jesus hearing this marvelled: and said to them that followed him: ‘Amen. I say to you that I have not found so great a faith in Israel’.” The Gospel According to Matthew 8:5 – 10 DRV
The reply of the Roman Centurion has been part of the Roman Rite since Apostolic times.
The fact that our Lord spoke with approval to the Greek Israelites can not be interpreted to mean that he has no comment or approval for Romans and by extension the Roman Church.
Greetings in the Lord Jesus, Norseman, sonne, and the good German people of RZN family. Here is someone you might like to get to know. Norseman wrote a while back that Hitler’s failure was because he was not a Christian.
St Bishop Nikolaj was a witness in those times of the ‘30’s and WW2 and had formed a blessed spiritual bond with many Germans under the occupation and paradoxical circumstances. He was able to clearly distinguish between the anti-christian Naziism as a symptom of atheistic Europe and the German people themselves.
http://whymonastery.blogspot.com/2006/07/germans-and-st-bishop-nikolaj-of.html
Germans and St. Bishop Nikolaj of Serbia – an immortal relationship (part I)
On the day of Saint Prophet Elijah (July, the 2nd) in 2004. started rebuilding of our monastery.
Dedicated to all honest German soldiers who were on the “gate” of Holy Archangels’ Monastery
It is hard to describe bishop Nikolaj in one text. This saint is a spiritual ocean, as well as his spiritual ancestor was – the one he was named after – St. Nikolaj of Myr-Licia, whose holy relics rest in Bari, Italia. Here we only mention what is significant for our monastery, the first monastery in the world which had a church built in its honor (the church which is gone now).
St. Nikolaj had two doctorates, Doctor of Philosophy and Doctor of Theology. He became the Doctor of Theology in Bern, a German speaking area of Switzerland. Ever since then, and during his earthly lifetime, the bishop had contacts with Germans.
He, as the opponent of the European atheistic culture, a culture more and more inclined to nihilism, presents “Pan-human” Christ, as an ideal of all human love, against Nitzche’s Superhuman, the spiritual creator of Nazism.
“There is no doubt that that the principles and forces of European culture and civilization are anti-Christian. The modern man type had been built for a long time, so that it could eventually replace Godman Christ with its philosophy and science, with its politics and technique, with its religion and ethic. Europe used Christ only as “a bridge between uncultured and cultured barbarity, that is, between illiterate barbarity and literate one.”
(Bishop Nikolaj, around 1930. : Words about Pan-human, page 334.)
During the time when the record number of peace conferences took place, the world faced the one thing bishop Nikolaj had been warning about: The Second World War.
Saint Nikolaj is one among few Slovenes who received a medal from Hitler, maybe the only one. And he deserved it because he insisted on the arrangement of German military graveyard in his eparchy of Ohrid and Bitolj.
“That is not the graveyard of our enemies, but the graveyard of those who tragically died serving their fatherland.”
It happened shortly before The First World War broke out. But, the same man led the demonstrations of Serbs, the only nation in the world which totally rejected the Pact with Nazi Germany signed by their government, the government which was soon afterwards overthrown.
The British and their press praised the Serbs as heroes, and by the end of the war they betrayed those heroes to soviet communists.
The kind of man Nikolaj was indeed could be described as a Pan-human. Is there any other man in the world who received the medal from Hitler, after that was arrested and even sent to notorious prison “Dachau”? Nikolaj did. (…)
Dear Stav: Thank you for your erudite responses. But I’m a bit puzzled by your mention of “Holy Tradition” as being more important than Scripture.
I must say that when I shared the apostasy of the Masoretic translation, as represented in our KJV or other new age translations, the folks at our non-denom church went into catotonic fits and paroxisms of St Vitus dance.
They looked at me as if I had two heads and just landed from another planet. I refered them to the Book of Esther and hope that they’ll juxtapose the Polyglut bible and the KJV.
That glaring difference has changed my life. When will the Church wake up and come out of the anesthesia ?
Dear RZN Christians,
Thus far, in my research of allegations of Masonic impropriety on the behalf of Orthodox Patriarchs, I have looked with some cursory depth into Ecumenical Orthodox Patriarch Batholomew. Claims to the effect of his being a Freemason are evident in the source aforementioned, but apparently unproven otherwise.
Still, there are a few objects of genuine suspicion to be acknowledged: association with the Duke of Edinburgh through the World Wildlife Fund; and some of the unusual innovations in the orthodox worship cycle by the Patriarch of Constantinople for the sake of environmentalism.
http://patriarchate.org/patriarch/the-green-patriach
“In 1989, the same Patriarch Dimitrios published the first encyclical letter on the environment. This encyclical, proclaimed on the occasion of the first day of the new ecclesiastical calendar, formally established 1 September as a day for all Orthodox Christians within the jurisdiction of the Ecumenical Patriarchate to offer prayers for the preservation of the natural creation. A similar encyclical is published annually on the first day of September.”
“In 1990, the foremost hymnographer on Mount Athos, Monk Gerasimos Mikrayiannanites, was commissioned by the Ecumenical Patriarchate to compose a service of supplication for the environment. Whereas in the past Orthodox faithful prayed to be delivered from natural calamities, they were now called to pray that the planet may be delivered from the abusive and destructive acts of human beings.”
“A month after his election in 1991, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew convened an ecological gathering in Crete entitled ‘Living in the Creation of the Lord’. That convention was opened by Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh and International Chairman of the World Wildlife Fund (WWF). In the following year, Patriarch Bartholomew called an unprecedented meeting of all Orthodox Patriarchs and Primates at the Phanar, submitting an historical expression of unity and inviting all Orthodox leaders to inform their churches about the critical significance of this issue for our times. The Primates endorsed 1 September as a day of pan-Orthodox prayer for the environment.”
http://www.virtual-london.com/information/royal-family/hrh-the-duke-of-edinburgh.html
“HRH The Duke of Edinburgh.
Full name: Philip
Full Title: HRH Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh
Born: Corfu, June 10 1921, Prince of Greece and Denmark, only son of Prince Andrew of Greece and Princess Alice of Battenburg.
Prince Philip’s family is connected to many of the Royal houses of Europe. His father, Prince Andrew, was the grandson of King Christian IX of Denmark; his mother, Princess Alice of Battenberg, was the eldest child of Prince Louis of Battenberg and sister of Earl Mountbatten of Burma. Prince Louis became a British subject in 1868 and rose to the rank of Admiral of the Fleet and First Sea Lord. He married one of Queen Victoria’s granddaughters and changed the family name to Mountbatten, which Prince Philip also adopted when he too became a British subject in 1947.
The Prince and his wife, Queen Elizabeth II, share Queen Victoria as their great-great-grandmother and are also related through his father’s side.”
http://patriarchate.org/documents/saving-the-soul-of-the-planet
“Surely one area of common ground, where all people of good will – of all political persuasion and every social background – can agree is the need to respond to those who suffer. Even if we cannot – or refuse to – agree on the root causes and human impact on environmental degradation; even if we cannot – or refuse to – agree about what would define success in sustainable development, no one would doubt that the consequences of climate change on the poor and disadvantaged is unacceptable. Such denial would be inhumane at the very least and politically disadvantageous at worst.”
Overall, the environmental philosophy of the Ecumenical Patriarch is not in itself a blasphemy or heresy. If anything it is often worthy of considerate praise. But the authors of “The Union Jack” made it clear that spiritual deceptions are not based on falsehoods, but on Truth put to use in wrongful ways.
It is worthy of critical examination, this question of what use this innovative environmental spirituality is eventually going to be put. One senses that there is something more than meets the eye going on here, and that although the shrill detractors have yet to conclusively prove anything, the rest is still uncertain and there is reason for abundant caution.
The Peace of Christ be with You.
Greetings in our Lord Jesus, Michael K:
Most of the Orthodox people are quite aware of the bizarre actions of the Patriarch of Constantinople especially during the first part of the 20th century that did considerable harm and disturbed the Church, and explains some of the occurrences today.
Just keep in mind that in Orthodox ecclesiology, he has “the primacy of honor” among patriarch / bishops – that is, first among equals.
This link should present a sober-minded look at the “origins of the above phenomena, of particular interest to English readers since the now forgotten British imperialist politicking of the time lay behind many of them.”
http://www.orthodoxengland.btinternet.co.uk/meletios.htm
Dear Lynda,
You really don’t make much sense when you talk about the neccessity of Christians to interpret Scripture just as the ‘custodian of the vine’ (the pope) does…
Then also post denouncements of the bishop of Rome (the pope)…
You can’t have it both ways! Either you listen to the pope and all that he says – OR YOU DON’T!
On one hand you adhere to the teachings of the pope – but on the other hand you refuse to adhere to the teachings of the pope!
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The Greeks in John 12:20 were not Israelites (at least in the sense that you seem to think they were – as in Hebrew Israelites of the circumcision)…
The Greeks in John 12:20 were what you (and most) would probably call ‘Gentiles’ (a made-up English word, just like the word ‘Jew’).
I repeat – they were not Israelites in the sense that you seem to think – they were ‘Gentiles’ (uncircumcised).
The word which ‘Greeks’ was derived is from the Greek word ‘Hellen’.
Though I despise the made up word ‘Gentile(s)’… the same word (Hellen) is found to mean ‘Gentile(s)’ in the following verses:
John 7:35 (twice); Romans 1:16; 2:9,10; 3:9; I Corinthians 10:32…
The same greek word (Hellen) is translated (properly) as ‘Greek(s)’ and is found in these verses (and more!):
Acts 14:1; 17:4; 18:17; 19:17; 20:21; 21:28…
Romans 1:14; 10:12…
I Corinthians 1:22-24 (3 times)…
Galatians 2:3; 3:28…
Colossians 3:11…
These verses make it clear – I think – that we are talking about Greeks here – not Israelites.
They may have been attempting to become proselytes, but they clearly weren’t what most today would call ‘Jews’ (circumcised).
Dear Lynda,
Even after I clearly explained to you what the term Schismatic means, you still use it in the wrong way. Based on facts and no opinion, it will be clear to anyone that it is the Roman Papists who are schismatics.
Furthermore, since I do not see your religious community, I cannot take anything thing you mention about the “vine” etc. seriously, much less consider using a Papists practice before I assert a 2000 year old tradition. A tradition which is much older than the institution that is the Pope of Rome.
Stav
Hi ivan in ohio,
You say:
“…But I’m a bit puzzled by your mention of “Holy Tradition” as being more important than Scripture….”
I thought you would, and others would as well and so that’s exactly why I mentioned it.
Think about it logically, what situation did the Bible Canon spring forth from? In other words, what situations, verbal or otherwise knowledge, theology, practice and faith did the Bible Canon come from, if it was not the Original Church? When someone says that the Bible Canon is God-inspired, then, they are also implying that the people who put it together, where at least in some measure also God-directed and inspired. Otherwise it would not have been there, right?
We of the early Church which is still around as the OC, see it like this: Since this status and Body of Knowledge, practices, beliefs, etc. etc. PRE-existed the Bible Canon, then we logically say that the Holy Tradition brought birth to the Bible Canon, and NOT the other way around.
When the canon was put together, it was put together IN ORDER to represent the practice and doctrine of the Church. It was NOT put together in order to acquire a previous non-existent doctrine. And that is what most protestants have forgotten. They have forgotten that there was always a Church, in which the faith was practiced, and eventually produced the Bible Canon.
Thus, the Holy Tradition of which I speak of, is a superset of what the Bible Cannon represents. And thus, the measure by which the Bible Cannon must be measured and evaluated, is the Holy Tradition. Whoever attempts to do the opposite, is simply fooling himself.
But let me propose something else to you, which will make clear the superiority of Holy Tradition against Scripture:
Consider to early Christians, who after the return of Jesus Christ to heaven, were left with what is essentially, ONLY Holy Tradition. Where they not saved? Where they not in the true Church, even though they did not have Scripture? Where they not in possession of the full, unaltered truth if they were saved? The answer is that, for the ones who were saved, they yes, indeed they did have all the truth they required, even though there was no Bible Canon in existence.
And thus, one can see that Holy Tradition, transcends Bible Canon, even though today we use the Bible in everyday life. (Which is of course fine by the way)
You also say:
“…That glaring difference has changed my life. When will the Church wake up and come out of the anesthesia ?…”
Well, as far as the Orthodox Church goes as a whole, we never got into any kind of amnesia, we have the holy tradition to guide us and so we know what versions to use. Perhaps this may be something to think about.
Stav
From:
http://www.evrazia.org/article/1024
July,12th,2009
Vladimir Putin and the Empire
The policy of Putin could be explained by Eurasian code – even though sometimes it looked like Putin went away from that direction, in the long run the main tendencies and patterns fitted together
“Russian leaders particularly the Prime Minister Vladimir Putin wants to resurrect The Russian Empire”, – said the Head of the Pentagon Robert Gates. As Gates puts it, these “imperialistic intentions obstruct the US-Russian relations.” The United States Secretary of Defense also believes that the “imperialistic intentions” are more common for Putin than for Medvedev.
The new big Russia which is now being resurrected inside the Eurasian area is the idea of a new sovereign resurrected Empire. It is not Soviet, because that ideology is dead, but neither Russian, because we have no common religious direction here.
The Prime Minister of Russia is trying to make Russia the main player in the international arena by all means.” This fact is very disturbing for the USA.
“Are the Russians doomed to a new attempt to build an Empire?” – asks a world-wide known British historian Professor Geoffrey Hosking in his recent book “Rulers and Victims – The Russians in The Soviet Union.” Thus this worries the Brits as well – “what exactly will Russians choose – the present state with parts of its territory lost or a new empire?” – asks Hosking.
“Who is mister Putin?”
This question asked in the beginning of Putin’s career has been created during the transmutation of the political language of current Russia from Modern into the Post-Modern. In classical language Putin as a human being is an essence, a reality, a personality in the first place.
Then he’s being understood inside the political context along his political actions. This is the approach for the Age of the Enlightenment: there is Vladimir Putin, a politician, a person with certain specifics, with certain roots, and there is also his system of evaluations and thoughts.
This was true until the Epoch of the Post-Modern has come…
Inside the Post-Modern a person is an empty space, because all a human being deals with is an interpretation of his/her consciousness.
As a result, Vladimir Putin’s image appears not from the knowledge of Vladimir Putin, and not from the analysis of his actions, but from the language context he is in. This is why the question “Who is mister Putin?” inside the Post-Modern system has no answer at all. This is a forever open question.
When people who know our Prime Minister well personally hear what is said about Putin in the west, they get shocked. This happens because they haven’t completed the fundamental transaction from the Epoch of the High-Modern and the Enlightenment to the Post-Modern. Otherwise they could have understood that there is no Putin they have been imagining exists.
There are some textual games around Putin in Russia or in Europe. That ugly picture the western society deals with has nothing in common with our Prime Minister. Inside that picture Putin is a “political dwarf” without any perception, a protege of the most reactionary circles, of the most horrible secret services, a person with neither any political future nor any respect for the democracy.
We on the other hand deal with other Putin as a product of our ceremonial official style.
Is Putin the symbol of the Empire creating?
The new big Russia which is now being resurrected inside the Eurasian area is the idea of a new sovereign resurrected Empire. It is not Soviet, because that ideology is dead, but neither Russian, because we have no common religious direction here.
The Eurasianity suggests resurrection of a Big Space in place of the former Russian empire and the Soviet Union. This project strongly opposes the Russian Westerners and Atlantists. Putin has come from the Atlantist regime of Eltsin, but has changed the Eltsin’s direction 180 degrees.
When he came, the main idea was to fit Russia into the western world in order to become, as they said, “a normal country”. Now the idea is: Russia is a great country. Not “normal”. It is a country, reestablishing its planetary meaning, thus leading its independent policy, free from globalist pressure and the Single-Polarity world.
This is what Putin and Medvedev are implementing now, and this is a geopolitical program of building the Empire.
Putin, the Empire builder, will by all means stay as a picture of our epoch. Robert Gates, Geoffrey Hosking, all the Western elite understands that the Eurasian Empire inevitably was, is, and will be there. Putin is pretty obviously connected with this Empire.
The Eurasianity, similar to the Medvedev-Putin’s joint, now opposes two things. The first is the liberal-democratic Westernism, and the second, but not the least is the narrow Nationalism, which presents Russia as a mono-national state.
The policy of Putin-president could be explained by this Eurasian code. Even though sometimes it looked like Putin went away from that direction, in the long run the main tendencies and patterns fitted together.
This just cannot be
Many people think up many things, which have nothing in common with the reality. A French visioner and writer Jean Parvulesko, who also looks like be saying extravagant nonsense, strikes with that all of his writings come true over time. I’ve been reading his articles in the 70s in an Italian magazine Orion.
There he’s been describing a situation which came true in Russia in the beginning of the 90s with “red-brown” ones, with unions of communists and nationalists, with liberals, that would unite with the West and destroy the great Soviet Union. At the time, these articles appeared many people were saying Parvulesko was crazy, because it looked like Brezhnev was eternal. Even we, his friends were saying: “This just cannot be, Jean!”, “This is some kind of a nonsense!”. His answer was “Wait, Alexander…”.
In his book “Putin and Eurasian Empire”, published in Russia, in the first chapters, written in the end of 70s, Parvulesko states that there are people in Russian military and security forces, which develop the idea of a continent-scale Empire since the 60s.
These people work based not on ideological, but on geopolitical means. He says that soon a man will come out of these circles, and that the man will implement the idea of restoring the imperial geopolitical potential of Russia on the other side of the communist ideology. The values he will base on are basic for Russian history, like Orthodox church, and national self-consciousness. He will return Russia to the time before communists.
Parvulesko writes this in the 70s, and 20 years after comes Putin. Parvulesko points at him: this is the man of destiny, I’ve been writing all the time about him, long before I’ve learned his name. There is no Putin a simply a person. There is the Eurasian Empire and the named by Parvulesko Dogmatic Code of Things as the Empire is being built. Putin is an instrument of its building and creating.
Parvulesko here describes the reality as it is in a dogmatic way as Bible prophets did. Thus he, the neovisioner may also be called a neoprophet. Missionistic elites in the USA are beginning to suspect something…
Putin as an entity does not exist.
Parvulesko describes Putin in a peculiar context, different from the officials or from the western perception. He puts Putin into the Global World History along with Alexander Makedonsky, Napoleon, De Gaulle, Stalin, Hitler, Lenin, secret services and great achievements. Analyzing all Putin’s nuances, Parvulesko attains a Post-Modernistic penetration inside the Empire system of coordinates.
The main point here is the understanding of the context and the structure of the Empire project, not the perceptions of Putin in anyone’s mind including his own. As a German writer Novalis has proven before, we learn more about the past from colorful stories, than from boring chronicles, which are now vainly trying to find facts about Putin in order to describe him. The truth is that Putin’s mission is metaphysically, intellectually, stylistically and dogmatically caused by metaphysics of our great space and our great people.
This is why Jean Parvulesko’s vision of Putin, the builder of the Great Eurasian Empire, deserves the most precise study. The garbage, which is being written about him will be forgotten sooner than he stops being the Prime Minister.
Putin, the Empire builder, will by all means stay as a picture of our epoch. Robert Gates, Geoffrey Hosking, all the Western elite, which rules the world today understands that the Eurasian Empire inevitably was, is, and will be there. Putin is pretty obviously connected with this Empire.
Alexander Dugin, translated by Olga Rita
Greetings in our Lord Jesus, Michael K – here’s another link for you to peruse:
http://www.holy-trinity.org/ecclesiology/afonsky-constantinople.html
And to: ivan in ohio:
A link on the Divine inspiration of Scriptures from the OC point of view:
http://www.orthodoxphotos.com/readings/sketches/inspiration.shtml
The relationship between Scripture and Tradition might be simplistically likened to a family photo album and the family that put it together from their living experiences as an organic unity. You could show me the albums, and tell me all about the people and memories the photos represent and I could learn a lot, but the ones who really know that album and its stories and circumstances, the various experiences, elder wisdom and family lore, and little traditions that formed it and keep it alive is the family itself.
In the Orthodox Church closely connected to the liturgical background in dealing with the Bible is the concept of tradition. Tradition (in Greek παράδοσις=paradosis), according to modern sociological definition, is the entire set of historical facts, beliefs, experiences, social and religious practices, and even philosophical doctrines or aesthetic conceptions, which form an entity transmitted from one generation to another either orally or in a written and even in artistic form. Thus, tradition constitutes a fundamental element for the existence, coherence and advancement of human culture in any given context.
In the “patristic mind” of the Church, Scripture and Tradition are not treated as two different things, two distinct sources of the Christian faith. Scripture exists within Tradition, which although it gives a unique pre-eminence to the Bible it also includes further developments – of course in the form of clarification and explication when necessary, not of addition or innovation – of the apostolic faith.
Thus, tradition can hardly be considered as a static entity; it is rather a dynamic reality, it is not a dead acceptance of the past, but a living experience of the Holy Spirit in the present. In other words it is a relational principle, completely incompatible with all kinds of individualism and with the absolute and strict sense of objectivism.
In G. Florovsky’ s words, “Tradition is the witness of the Spirit; the Spirit’s unceasing revelation and preaching of the Good news…It is not only a protective, conservative principle, but primarily the principle of growth and renewal.”
Missing from a large part in the West in this modern age, it is not an exaggeration, to state that the liturgical – more precisely the eucharistic – dimension is perhaps the only safe criterion, in ascertaining the way in which the Orthodox approach any issue pertinent to the Bible; the way they read the Bible; the way they know, receive, and interpret the Bible; the way they are inspired and nourished by the Bible.
Seekers and converts who regularly attend the Eucharist according to the Eastern Orthodox Rite, realize – some perhaps are astonished, or even shocked by the fact – that in the Orthodox Divine Liturgy, itself deeply rooted in Scripture, the Bible normally is not read but SUNG, as if the Bible readings were designed not so much in order that the faithful understand and appropriate the word of God, but as if they were designed to glorify an event or a person.
The below link concerning some aspects of Sacred Tradition in parallel with Sacred Scripture. “In the original precise meaning of the word, Sacred Tradition is the tradition which comes from the ancient Church of Apostolic times. In the second to the fourth centuries this was called “the Apostolic Tradition.” Scripture is the primary pillar of Sacred Tradition.
“Sacred Tradition is also necessary because some truths of the faith are expressed in a completely definite form in Scripture, while others are not entirely clear and precise and therefore demand confirmation by the Sacred Apostolic Tradition.
The Apostle commands, “Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word (“oral” tradition, including the rites and rituals, showing certain actions, in person), or our epistle (letter)” (2 Thess. 2:15).
Besides all this, Sacred Scripture is valuable because from it we see how the whole order of Church organization, the canons, patristics, the Divine Services and rites are rooted in and founded upon the way of life of the ancient Church [with its continuous roots from the liturgics of synagogue and temple modified as necessary by the Apostles and the first generations of bishops and Church Fathers through the lens of the Revelation of Christ]. Thus, the preservation of “Tradition” expresses the succession of the very essence of the Church” which is life in Christ.
There is also the ecclesiastical calendar of Church liturgical hours, days and feast cycles, which include daily and weekly Scripture readings called lectionaries. A clear, purposeful procession through the year was forthcoming from the basic foundation, which marked and joined in word, song and praise the birth, ministry, death, Resurrection and Ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ, and sanctified crucial aspects of Christian life and experience.
Just as the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets were read and chanted in the Temple worship and synagogue in Israel, so the Church also immediately gave high priority to the public reading of Scripture, the OT and the NT, and to preaching in her worship, along with the Eucharistic meal.
The early liturgy of the Church’s worship was composed of two essential parts: 1) the liturgy of the word, including hymns, Scripture reading, and preaching and 2) the liturgy of the faithful, composed of intercessory prayers, the kiss of peace, and the Eucharist. From virtually the beginning, Christian worship has had a definable shape or form which continues to this day.
http://www.orthodoxphotos.com/readings/dogmas/tradition.shtml
One thing not touched on this particular page is Church iconography and frescoes (which has a side link) and architecture, which is also a part of Sacred Tradition, and which also follows certain Scriptural/theological discipline and artistic canons.
Anciently, the holy icons were sometimes called the Gospel for the illiterate. All of the main truths of Jesus Christ as the fullest of Divine Revelation to the world and Salvation found in the NT can be written on about 12 to 15 icons.
But more than what can be found on paper is the fact that Tradition also means an organic unity of all its parts, in a living experience and continuity of a worshipping and Eucharistic life, even extending to home life in a daily cycle of prayers, saying blessings before and after meals, and a host of other ways.
The “norm” of Christian life for most of Church history, including to a great degree our patriotic Colonial ancestors (who FASTED and spent the entire day praying on Thanksgiving Day), was parish and village life centered in the daily cycles of the local churches under the spiritual care of a priest who lived within the community, and most often one who had a wife and children, who daily shared in the sufferings, trials, and consolations, and joys of his flock, and people who would make pilgrimages to monasteries, Godly elders, and holy sites.
Rites are the forms of worship, music (no instruments in the Eastern Church, it is chanted), vestments, and architecture. Most Orthodox Christians follow the liturgical practice of the ancient Churches in the east (Antioch, Jerusalem, and Alexandria), the rite commonly known as the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, but there are others as well that are used.
One very special rite of living antiquity is the Divine Liturgy of St. James of the Holy Qorbanah which is the oldest Eucharistic service in continuous use. It is the ancient liturgy of the Church of Jerusalem, which is still said on a daily basis, and Antioch, Syria and is attributed to the Apostle James the Just, the Brother of the Lord. Several of Oriental Orthodox Churches also use this as a primary liturgy.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Divine_Liturgy_of_Saint_James
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ephrem/lit-james.htm
Its date of composition is still disputed with some authorities proposing an early date, perhaps ca. AD 60, close to the time of composition of Saint Paul’s Epistle to the Romans, while most authorities propose a fourth century date.
It is often celebrated in Eastern Orthodox Churches on the feast of St. James (October 23). It is a profoundly Orthodox liturgy expressing the spirit and theology of the Orthodox Faith, and forms the heart of the Byzantine Liturgies of Saint John Chrysostom or Saint Basil.
Dear KathJuliane and RZN Christians,
Following the link you posted above, I delved into the article and have made a condensed report of the most salient highlights for general readers:
http://www.orthodoxengland.btinternet.co.uk/meletios.htm
“According to the historian Alexander Zervoudakis, an official in the British Ministry of Defence (1944-1950), in 1909 Meletios visited Cyprus and there, together with other Orthodox clergy (2), became a member of a British masonic lodge (3).
“In the following year Metaksakis became the Metropolitan of Kition in Cyprus and already in 1912 tried to become the Patriarch of Constantinople. Failing in this, he devoted himself to becoming the Archbishop of Cyprus.
“Meanwhile his undisguised political ambitions, authoritarian character and, above all, his modernism seemed to have played a decisive role in his defeat (4). Disillusioned, he left his flock and in 1916 headed for Greece.
“There, in 1918, with the support of his relative Venizelos, who headed the Greek government, he became the Archbishop of Athens. In the following year, when Venizelos lost the Greek elections, Metaksakis was deposed…
“Metropolitan Germanos (Karavangelis), who at that time had already been legally elected Archbishop of Constantinople, relates the following regarding the circumstances connected with the unexpected change of situation: ‘There was no doubt about my election to the Oecumenical Throne in 1921. Of 17 votes, 16 were for me.
“Then a layman known to me offered me 10,000 pounds if I renounced all my rights to the election in favour of Meletios Metaksakis. Naturally, irritated and annoyed I rejected the offer. Immediately after this a three-man delegation from ‘The National Defence League’ visited me one night and energetically persuaded me to renounce my election in favour of Meletios Metaksakis.
“The delegation told me that Meletios could obtain $100,000 for the Patriarchate, that he was on very good terms with Protestant bishops in England and America, that he could be very useful in Greek national interests and that international interests required Meletios to be elected as Patriarch. Such were the wishes of Eleutherios Venezelos.
“Despite the resolutions of the Councils of 1583 (12), 1587 and 1593, the Congress took the decision to change the calendar of the Orthodox Church. It is remarkable that at this Conference, which goes under various names – ‘Pan-Orthodox Congress’, ‘Orthodox Assembly’ (13) and so on – representatives of only three Local Churches were present: from Greece, Romania and Serbia. At the same time representatives from others, and moreover from the closest – the Patriarchates of Antioch, Jerusalem and Alexandria – decided not to take part.
“As Oecumenical Patriarch, Meletios chaired the sessions of the meeting, at which the Anglican Bishop Charles Gore was present. At Meletios’ invitation, Gore sat on his right and took part in the work of the Congress (14)…
“Whatever and whoever this conference represented, historians will most probably be forced to recognize that it was one of the most tragic events in the life of the Church in the twentieth century. The agenda, set from above and forced onto people in contradiction with previous Conciliar decisions, introduced under political pressure the so-called new calendar.
“This caused schisms and bloody clashes in the streets, which Meletios himself did not escape. Meletios’ modernist reforms of the Church were not to the taste of the faithful. In Istanbul there were serious incidents, during which the outraged Orthodox population sacked the Patriarch’s apartments and physically beat Meletios himself (16). Soon after this, in September 1923, he was forced to quit Istanbul and renounce the Patriarchal throne…
“After his resignation from the see of Constantinople and the stormy and fateful events there, Patriarch Meletios turned up in Alexandria, where, with political support, he was named second candidate for the see of the Patriarchate of Alexandria (24).
“At that time, Egypt was under British mandate and the Egyptian government had the right to confirm the candidacy of either of the two candidates who had been put forward. The government in Cairo dragged its feet on the decision for a whole year, only on 20 May 1926, under British government pressure, to confirm their choice of Meletios to the see of the Pope and Patriarch of Alexandria.
“Not in the least discouraged by the Local Council called by his predecessor, pretexting the unity of the Greek diaspora with their homeland (the new calendar had already been introduced in Greece under pressure from the revolutionary government), Meletios introduced the new calendar in Alexandria too. Thus, supposed concern for the Greek ethnic diaspora took precedence over concern for Church unity and the decisions of previous Councils.”
Dear Stav and Kathluliane;
Thank you for your help in understanding holy tradition in the orthodox sense. It differs radically from my understanding in the Catholic or Protestant definition.
You certainly have piqued my interest in Orthodox Christianity, and an even greater respect for the work of Brother Nathanael.
Brother Nathaniel. I love your work. You have great insight and info.
A few questions that I might have asked before.
Zionists for sure run the world, but aren’t Jesuits of the Satanic Vatican also playing around?
And also about this new age religion crap as well.
William ‘Bill’ Cooper explained it thoroughly but it was very long, so when I attempt to bring my friends into it, they have a hard time understanding it and also do not want to spend much time with it.
Bill Cooper was a Christian who was killed for exposing the 9/11 attack 2 months before it happened and also much much more.
May God Bless you!
Keep doing what you’re doing!
Vladimir Putin marks 70th anniversary of Polish massacre
Source: BBC News (2-4-10)
Russian PM Vladimir Putin has invited his Polish counterpart, Donald Tusk, to a ceremony to mark the 70th anniversary of the Katyn massacre.
http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/122959.html
It is the first Russian ceremony to mark the murdering by Soviet secret police of more than 20,000 Polish prisoners of war in April 1940.
The invitation is being hailed in Poland as a breakthrough that could lead to improved bilateral ties.
Mr Putin said he understood the significance of the massacre to Poles.
He told Mr Tusk in a telephone call that their joint appearance at the ceremony in April would be an important symbolic gesture, said a Polish government spokesman.
A former Polish foreign minister, Adam Rotfeld, who now heads a committee tackling difficult issues between the two countries, hailed Mr Putin’s invitation as an important event in the normalisation of Polish-Russian relations.
The mass execution of Polish army and police officers in the forests of Katyn and other sites has long been one of the most difficult issues between the two countries.
For half a century the Soviet Union blamed the killings on the Nazis.
In 1990, Russian President Mikhail Gorbachev finally admitted Soviet responsibility.
More recently, Moscow’s refusal to declassify the archives, and a Russian court ruling that the massacre did not warrant the term genocide, has angered many in Poland.
Following the unique expose of Joe Cortina of Talmudism at work in Palestine and Bo-the Ex-marine’s expose on Freemasonry in the Orthodox Church…
I thought it time we had a look at Global Warming – which the East Coast of the USA is experiencing with such devastating effect at the moment (NWO speak – hot is cold…cold is hot)
….you remember, the CO2 induced Greenhouse Effect.
“Chill out on Global Warming.”
Cardinal George Pell.
From the Sunday Telegraph. Feb7, 2010.
“…..
Before we attempt to use computer models to predict the weather we should consult the records to discover whether what is happening is inside or outside patterns across the ages.
I found that facts surprised me.
Global warmers claim human activity, especially industry, is increasing the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, causing warming.
My surprise was to find that carbon dioxide is only a trace gas making up less than four parts in 10,000 of the atmosphere.
This tiny percentage must pack a mighty punch. Certainly it drives the whole food chain, is plant food and doesn’ form polluting smog or acid rain.
It was also surprising to learn that temperatures were higher in Roman times and in the Middle Ages (900-1300AD) – when there was no industry and fewer people than there are today;
that for most of history the amount of carbon dioxide has been higher than it is today, and that an increase in carbon dioxide follows rises in temperature, rather than causing them.
European society flourished during the medieval warming, and warming doesn’t bring less rain.
Mild warming is good, but ice ages are catastrophic.
Debate rages over whether the Arctic is warming and the bears are sunburnt.
Most of the Antarctic is colder. Certainly Australia’s base there, visited by the Catholic chaplains, originally at the waters edge, is now 21km[s] from the sea because of expanding pack ice.
Britain, China and Russia have just experienced their most bitter winter for decades. And so it goes.
How long must global cooling continue before it becomes a problem for global warmers? When does the exception become the rule?
What evidence would they accept as invalidating their case?”
Cardinal George Pell is Archbishop of Sydney and Australia’s highest ranking Catholic cleric.
Just to clarify…
The link I provided in my most recent post to Lynda on Feb 8th @ 12:30am says a lot of other things that I do not agree with…
Other than the true meanings of the made-up English words ‘Jew’ and ‘Gentile’… all of the white/non-white on there stuff is just garbage.
I want to be clear – Israel has nothing to do with fleshly race. White/non-white skin pigmentation has NOTHING to do with identifying the children of Israel. That isn’t the page I thought it was… and frankly – I’m sorry I ever posted it.
Brother Nathanael you should feel free to remove that link if you see fit, I would appreciate it. I don’t want anyone thinking that I am a racist – because I’m NOT.
Whether or not we are of Israel is a spiritual issue – not a fleshly, racial issue.
As our friend Paul aptly says – Israel is not composed of any fleshly race or nation…
Israel is composed of those who accept (and obey) Jesus Christ in faith.
My apologies for this blunder!
Stav,
The Council of Chalcedon – one of the Seven – which the schismatic Orthodox claim is part of orthodoxy (as it is), does clearly identify the reigning pope and Bishop of Rome as the Successor of St Peter and Custodian of Vine.
Lynda
An interesting piece in a book I am reading this evening.
I really want to share this with all. My wife is Greek-American and I have an extensive collection of books on Orthodoxy and Greek history. After retiring last year I have committed myself to catching up on many of these books.
This book I am reading is “The Greek Exile”. An 8 year old boy by the name of Christophorus Castanis. In Chios, spring of 1822 he is a witness to the most inhumane atrocities ever committed. With the help of Philhellenes, he is educated in the U.S. where he lectures on the cause of the Greek Revolution.
Well here is the piece from the book I want to share. Keep in mind this was probably written about 160 years ago or so.
Chapter 5 page 36-Christian Youth of America, may you never be reduced to such a terrible extremity, as to be bartered for, and to be reduced for a market value.
Ye Sons of Washington, may you never suffer the fate of the children of Homer!
May your sisters never be subjected to the disgrace of falling into the hands of an avaricious Jew!
Many a fair Chian maiden was bought for three or four dollars by an Israelite, and sold back to her kindred, for one thousand.
Indeed the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are truly the tigers of speculation, thirsting for gain, forestalling human misery, and bartering Turkish insult and rapacity for gold.
Throughout the book the Jews are mentioned quite a bit on being partakers in their little old ways of this genocidal massacre.
What disgraceful, barbaric things these muslim Turks did to these Islanders. You have to read this book. And if you think that this cannot happen here in this day and age think twice. It can. I found it hair raising that 160 years ago this man made such a comment to the residents of the U.S.
God Bless all.
This is off topic folks, but over on rense.com there is mention of more than 50 CEO and CFO`s resigning in the last three weeks.
Also about seventy chiefs of police have resigned recently and they aren`t giving a good reason why.
Also more than a hundred people in the England congress are resigning or not running for reelection.
Something is in the air.
The Jewish war on Iran depends for any success on knocking out ALL Iranian military elecronics before a counter strike is launched.
This is not something they are currently competent of, nor will they be at any time in the immediate future.
You see, Iran is a tiger.
A tiger stalks its prey, it does not defensively even, lie in wait to be attacked.
As soon as its prey makes the slightest move it attacks. Israel/USA know it — they are as much the prey as the assumed attacker in this scenario.
Iran’s response is dependant not on the continuous flow of its electronic communications. No, n’no.
It is preset to go, 10,000 missiles – to prespecific targets…..if there is a single break, that is not self-effected, in their electronic communications, or any part of it; as would occur for instance in the event of a first missile strike on its soil, on say a nuclear power site…
In other words Iran has installed the MAD option ….mutually assured destruction.
The Zion ambition for the Middle East – greater Israel from the Euphrates to the Nile, is working to circumvent this, but Russia is fully cognizant of these moves, if you get my drift.
Russia to date has thwarted the NWO in both hemispheres, South America, the Middle East and Central Eurasia. And thus:
Putin is fully deserving of the Peace Prize; not the odious Nobel one, but heavens, a Fatima prize.
It remains to be seen whether the real world will continue, by its prayers and diligence, to deserve to reap the rewards so far accrued….Apocalypse is ominous.
But only through lack of prayer, penance, belief and charity.
Let us keep hope alive.
In Aljazeera news now:
“The United States and France have called for fresh sanctions against Iran after Tehran said it would begin enriching higher grade nuclear fuel to a level of 20 per cent.”
Also:
“Bernard Kouchner, the French foriegn minister, said on Monday that he did not believe Iran had the ability to raise the enrichment level of its uranium and that the move by Tehran was ‘blackmail.'”
Say what? Possibly a bluff. But how can an open statement of Tehran’s peaceful energy plans be considered “blackmail”?
Blackmailing who to attain what ends?
There is something much more problematic for the ORTHODOX CHURCH and her Patriarchs than ‘filioque’ and ‘Petrine primacy’ – and that PROBLEM is given the non-theological and non-ecclesiastical terminology of either ‘NUCLEAR FUSION’ or ‘NUCLEAR FISSION’.
“The THIRD WORLD WAR must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the ‘agentur’ of the ‘Illuminati’ between the political ZIONISTS and the leaders of Islamic World..et al” – from
http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm
The Orthodox Church and her Patriarchs may wish to consider what the stance of the Bishops of the Catholic Church is in regards to the use of thermonuclear weapons in the hands of the ‘political Zionists’ here in the USA, in the UK and in Israel and those of the Islamic states:
http://www.ccnr.org/pax_christi.html
The Orthodox Church and her Patriarchs might wish to RECONSIDER collaborating with the Bishop of Rome and the Catholic Bishops in MORAL and SPIRITUAL unity with him:
http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr19/cr19pg31.asp
For, it was the Mother of God, the Most Holy Theotokos, as Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal who said:
“In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me. Russia will be converted and A PERIOD OF PEACE will be given to the world.”
Surely, the Orthodox Church and her Patriarchs MUST PREFER a period of world peace RATHER THAN a thermonuclear Third World War!
– Fr. Joseph
And, Fr Joseph,
I am still waiting to read a quote from the Orthodox episcopacy posted here warning the flocks (over which they have charge) about Freemasonry which established lodges throughout Eastern Europe and Russia in the 19th century.
World Masonry is on public record as to its objectives to subvert and destroy the Church.
The general Orthodox silence about Freemasonry is very disturbing.
It’s not usually sinister. It’s usually, I believe, from bishops and priests wanting to avoid politics, and in the English-speaking world (NA, Aus., NZ, SA, UK) a general pressure to avoid appearing “antisemitic”. Still, it’s disturbing because it displays cowardice and a lack of insight. And of course certain key clerics, and the head of church-related groups (esp. in fund-raising) are Freemasons who shriek every time someone states, correctly, that Masons are Anti-Christ.
Orthodoxwiki doesn’t even have an entry on “Freemasonry”!
That’s a disgrace!
The hierarchs and believers in general must be pressured to take a stand. They must either expose and condemn Freemasonry, or be forced to defend Freemasonry, if they dare.
+ + +
Related to this:
http://www.arcworld.org/downloads/COMMON%20BELIEF%20-%20Australian%20statements.pdf
The Australian Greek Patriarch’s comments [pp. 22-23] on the Global Warming cult are very suspicious.
Modern Freemasonry in Russia even arranged 2 million signatures for the last presidential election.
http://freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com/2008/02/grand-master-of-russia-running-for.html
Dear Lynda,
You say:
“…does clearly identify the reigning pope and Bishop of Rome as the Successor of St. Peter and Custodian of Vine….”
First of, please look up in a dictionary, what the word schism means and thus what schismatic means. Then, look up the historical facts, and see who is schismatic. It is clearly the Roman Papist community that is schismatic.
Furthermore, you lack of supporting evidence on your characterization of “schismatic” and your obsession of using this term wrongly, without evidence, leads me to conclude that all you are actually trying to do, is get to me on emotional level. Rest assured that that is not gong to get you anything, except become transparent to the rest of the readers here. And also rest assured, that simply because you characterize something, it does not mean that it also is so.
On to your assertion about the primacy of the Pope, let me agree with you. You are right, the Pope is the head of something and indeed he has primacy. However what he has primacy over is over what started as plain heresy but now has evolved into a Satanic, New Age quasi-religion which puts more value on this world than the next and has its outlook on complete global control, along with their brethren the Zionists, Masons and all Antichrist followers.
So, there you have it, I do see your Pope as a leader but unfortunately he is a leader of the wrong kind, one who I would not follow even at gunpoint.
Further more, see what your fellow Roman “Catholic” Strossmayer’s Speech at Vatican I in 1870, when papal infallibility was made official dogma, said, to which of course NOTHING of substance was offered except ad-hominems, etc. etc. , just like you are doing today:
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“Reading then the sacred books with that attention with which the Lord has made me capable, I do not find one single chapter, or one little verse, in which Jesus Christ gives to St. Peter the mastery over the apostles, his fellow-workers. If Simon, son of Jonas, had been what we believe his holiness Pius IX, to be today, it is wonderful that He had not said to him, “When I have ascended to my Father, you should all obey Simon Peter as you obey Me. I establish him my vicar upon earth.’
“Not only is Christ silent on this point, but so little does He think of giving a head to the church, that when He promises to His apostles to judge the twelve tribes of Israel (Matt. 19:28), He promises them twelve thrones, one for each, without saying that among those thrones one shall be higher than the others – which shall belong to Peter. Certainly, if He had wished that is should be so, He would have said it. What do we conclude from this sentence?
“Logic tells us that Christ did not wish to make St. Peter the head of the apostolic college. When Christ sent the apostles to conquer the world, to all He gave the promise of the Holy Spirit. Permit me to repeat it: if He had wished to constitute Peter His vicar, He would have given him the chief command over His spiritual army. Christ – so says the Holy Scripture – forbade Peter and his colleagues to reign or to exercise lordship, or to have authority over the faithful like the kings of the Gentiles (St. Luke 22:25). If St. Peter had been elected pope, Jesus would not have spoken thus; but according to our tradition, the papacy holds in its hands two swords, symbols of spiritual and temporal power.
“One thing has suprised me very much. Turning it over in my mind, I said to myself, If Peter had been elected Pope, would his colleagues have been permitted to send him with St. John to Samaria to announce the gospel of the Son of God? What do you think, venerable brethren, if at this moment we permitted ourselves to send his holiness Pius IX and his Excellency Mons. Plantier to go to the Patriarch of Constantinople, to pledge him to put an end to the Eastern schism?
“But here is another still more important fact. An Ecumenical Council is assembled at Jerusalem to decide on the questions which divide the faithful. Who would have called together this Council if St. Peter had been pope? St. Peter. Well, nothing of this occurred. The apostle assisted at the Council as all the others did, yet it was not he who summed up, but St. James; and when the decrees were promulgated, it was in the name of the apostles, the elders, and the brethren (Acts 15).
“Is it thus what we do in our church? The more I examine, O venerable brethren, the more I am convinced that in the scriptures the son of Jonas does not appear to be first.
Paul And The Apostles Silent On Papacy
“Now, while we teach that the church is built upon St. Peter, St. Paul (whose authority cannot be doubted) says, in his epistle to the Ephesians 2:20, it is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner-stone. And the same apostle believes so little in the supremacy of St. Peter, that he openly blames those who would say, We are of Paul, We are of Apollos (I Cor. 1:12), as those who say, We are of Peter.
“If therefore this last apostle had been the vicar of Christ, St. Paul would have taken great care not to censure so violently those who belonged to his own colleagues. The same apostle, counting up the offices of the church, mentions apostles, prophets, evangelists, doctors, and pastors. Is it to be believed, my venerable brethren, that St. Paul, the great apostle of the Gentiles, would have forgotten the first of these offices, the papacy, if the papacy had been of divine institution?
“The forgetfulness appeared to me to be as impossible as if an historian of this Council were not to mention one word of his holiness Pius IX. [Several voices – ‘Silence, heretic, silence!] Calm yourselves, my brethren, I have not yet finished. Forbidding me to go on, you show yourselves to the world to do wrong in shutting the mouth of the smallest member of this assembly.
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Find the whole thing here:
http://www.mtc.org/bishop_s.html
So what do you say to that? Do you have any valid argument, or are you going to continue to direct your arguments against me personally instead? Why the silence when it comes to defending your self? I know the answer to that of course, but I am waiting for you to tell us, but this of course will never happen.
Finally, if you actually want to do something useful, to restore some of the grace you have lost over the years as a heretical religious community led by your Pope do this:
Demand from your “infallible” (a lamentable doctrine) Pope to IMMEDIATELY CEASE the evil charade called the Uniate “Church” or Byzantine “Catholic Church”, because it is doing harm, even as we speak!!! This is NOT a joke, it needs to STOP immediately, people are thrown out of their houses, even killed, Holy Icons burned and broken, dogs are let to desecrate Holy Church buildings and all of this, under the “benevolent” “blessings” of the Pope.
PLEASE do your part and have this STOP. This is not a joke, nor an argument as such. It is simply an urgent request from one Christian to another, a request that an evil persecution combined with intentional attempts to take over what are Orthodox countries.
Does the means really justify the end Lynda? Will you let your so called Pope continue these abominations to take place, on the false precedent of his “holiness”? come one, Lynda, how can you justify such a thing? And if you do not justify this, then why do you continue to view your pope as anything but an evil impostor?
Lynda, understand this, as my fellow Orthodox, Metropolitan † Seraphim of Piraeus, a neighboring city which I grew up in for some part of my life:
Regarding your misdirected characterization as schismatics:
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For one entire millennium we had a common Faith, a common Polity, a common Eucharist, common Dogmas, common Spirituality and God-oriented ascesis, with the Ecumenical Synods and the Pentarchy as our common Authority.
So, what exactly happened, that overturned everything?
Why didn’t this matter preoccupy You during all the 33 years that You were Bishop of Your Religious admission?
Why is it, that for a thousand years, these positions regarding the Pope of Old Rome’s Primacy in jurisdiction, on his Infallibility, on Purgatory, on Indulgences, on thesaurus meritorum , on Immaculate Conception,…on….on…. were nonexistent?
Why is it, that in the Apostolic Synod of Jerusalem, it was the Council of the Apostles and the Presbyters who had opined, and not the (according to You) “President of the Collegium” of the Apostles, the Divine Apostle Peter (Acts 15:22)?
Why did the Seven Ecumenical Synods convene in the East, in communion and in unity with the (then) Orthodox Bishop of Old Rome?
Why does the 28th Canon of the 4th Ecumenical Synod of the Undivided Church bestow equal honor to the Throne of Old Rome as well as of New Rome?
When and why were these things overthrown? Didn’t they preoccupy You, if not as a clergyman, at least as a thinking person who is in anticipation of the “eighth day” and who knows that the end of human things is nigh, for each one of us?
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And regarding your religious community:
You are not a Church, you are a heresy.
http://www.impantokratoros.gr/2B2CE92A.en.aspx
Stav
Hola Stav,
While I’m not an specialist in Vatican matters, I was very interested in this your proclaimed discourse by the Croat (by the way a staunch defender of Serbs, and Greeks under Austrian and Turkish yoke…) Bishop Strossmayer, during the Vatican I conclave of 1870.
I’ll give a link in Spanish, hope your wide learning will not hinder you of understanding the falsity and uglyness of Strossmayer “document”.
http://apologetica.org/strossmayer.htm
By the way, acording to Vatican Archives, Bishop Strossmayer gave 5 speeches during the Concilliar works and none remotely against Roman Catholic tenants.
He lived and died a faithful Roman Catholic.
Otherwise I’m astonished you have presented this as argument against Papal Infallibility
which I understand refers solely when speaking of doctrinal faith under collegial approval.
Please Fr. Joseph correct me if I’m mistaken.
CANON XXVIII. OF THE COUNCIL OF CHALCEDON
FOLLOWING in all things the decisions of the holy Fathers, and acknowledging the canon, which has been just read, of the One Hundred and Fifty Bishops beloved-of-God (who assembled in the imperial city of Constantinople, which is New Rome, in the time of the Emperor Theodosius of happy memory), we also do enact and decree the same things concerning the privileges of the most holy Church of Constantinople, which is NEW ROME.
For the Fathers rightly granted privileges to the throne of OLD ROME, because it was the royal city.
And the One Hundred and Fifty most religious Bishops, actuated by the same consideration, gave equal privileges (isa presbeia) to the most holy throne of NEW ROME, justly judging that the city which is honoured with the Sovereignty and the Senate, and enjoys EQUAL PRIVILEGES with the OLD IMPERIAL ROME, should in ecclesiastical matters also be magnified as she is, and rank next after her; so that, in the Pontic, the Asian, and the Thracian dioceses, the metropolitans only and such bishops also of the Dioceses aforesaid as are among the barbarians, should be ordained by the aforesaid most holy throne of the most holy Church of Constantinople; every metropolitan of the aforesaid dioceses, together with the bishops of his province, ordaining his own provincial bishops, as has been declared by the divine canons; but that, as has been above said, the metropolitans of the aforesaid Dioceses should be ordained by the archbishop of Constantinople, after the proper elections have been held according to custom and have been reported to him.
ANCIENT EPITOME OF CANON XXVIII.
The bishop of New Rome shall enjoy the SAME honour as the bishop of Old Rome, on account of the removal of the Empire. For this reason the [metropolitans] of Pontus, of Asia, and of Thrace, as well as the Barbarian bishops shall be ordained by the bishop of Constantinople.
(…) This canon seems to recognise NO particular AUTHORITY in the Church of Rome, save what the Fathers had granted it, as the SEAT OF THE EMPIRE. And it attributes in plain words as much to Constantinople as to Rome, with the exception of the first place. Nevertheless I do not observe that the Popes took up a thing so injurious to their dignity, and of so dangerous a consequence to the whole Church.
For what Lupus quotes of St. Leo’s lxxviij. (civ) letter, refers rather to Alexandria and to Antioch, than to Rome. St. Leo is contented to destroy the foundation on which they built the elevation of Constantinople, maintaining that a thing so entirely ecclesiastical as the episcopate ought not to be regulated by the temporal dignity of cities, which, nevertheless, has been almost always followed in the establishment of the metropolis, according to the Council of Nicea.
(…) The same secretary read from the same codex the determination of the Second Synod. “These things the bishops decreed who assembled by the grace of God in Constantinople from far separated provinces, … and bishops are not to go to churches which are outside the bounds of their dioceses, nor to confound the churches, but according to the canons the bishop of Alexandria shall take the charge of the affairs of Egypt only, and the bishops of Orient shall govern the Oriental diocese only, the honours due to the Church of Antioch being guarded according to the Nicene canons, and the Asiatic bishops shall care for the diocese of Asia only, and those of Pontus the affairs of Pontus only, and those of Thrace the affairs of Thrace only.
But bishops shall not enter uncalled another diocese for ordination, or any other ecclesiastical function. And the aforesaid canon concerning dioceses being observed, it is evident that the synod of every province will administer the affairs of that particular province as was decreed at Nice. But the churches of God in heathen nations must be governed according to the custom which has prevailed from the times of the Fathers.
The bishop of Constantinople however shall have the prerogative of HONOUR next after the bishop of Rome, because Constantinople is new Rome.”
(…) The most glorious judges said: From what has been done and brought forward on each side, we perceive that the primacy of all (pro pantwn ta prwteia) and the chief honour (thn exaireton timhn) according to the canons, is to be kept for the most God-beloved archbishop of Old Rome, but that the most reverend archbishop of the royal city Constantinople, which is new Rome, is to enjoy the honour of the same primacy, and to have the power to ordain the metropolitans in the Asiatic, Pontic, and Thracian dioceses, in this manner: that there be elected by the clergy, and substantial (kthtorwn) and most distinguished men of each metropolis and moreover by all the most reverend bishops of the province, or a majority of them, and that he be elected whom those afore mentioned shall deem worthy of the metropolitan episcopate and that he should be presented by all those who had elected him to the most holy archbishop of royal Constantinople, that he might be asked whether he [i.e., the Patriarch of Constantinople] willed that he should there be ordained, or by his commission in the province where he received the vote to the episcopate.
(…) That is, the prerogative assigned to the Church of Constantinople is, in spite of the opposition of the Roman legate decreed by the Synod. Thus ended the Council of Chalcedon after it had lasted three weeks.
** How it is possible after reading the foregoing proceedings to imagine for an instant that the bishops of this Council considered the rights they were discussing to be of Divine origin, and that the occupant of the See of Rome was, jure divine, supreme over all pontiffs I cannot understand. **
It is quite possible, of course, to affirm, as some have done, that the acts, as we have them, have been mutilated, but the contention involves not only many difficulties but also no few absurdities; and yet I cannot but think that even this extreme hypothesis is to be preferred to any attempt to reconcile the acts as we now have them with the acceptance on the part of the members of the council of the doctrine of a jure divine Papal Supremacy as it is now held by the Latin Church.
Orthodox in Australia Acquiring Abandoned Catholic, Protestant and Anglican churches.
From:
http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/30915.htm
“Is the conversion of the Anglican church in Warrnambool to a Russian Orthodox church an isolated case?
No; for the Russian Orthodox Diaspora, as for the Serbs, Greeks, Romanians, Bulgarians, and Macedonians, the practice of acquiring abandoned non-Orthodox places of worship and converting them into functioning Orthodox churches was quite common in the 20th century.
Almost all of our Russian Orthodox Parishes in Australia were formed out of abandoned churches before the Russian communities had the material and financial capabilities to build their own Russian Orthodox churches. In the cities of Adelaide, Perth and Brisbane, Russian Orthodox parishes were formed out of abandoned Anglican churches, and the same thing happened in Tasmania. Although in Sydney the first Russian Orthodox parish was a converted house church, some of the other Sydney parishes grew out of non-Orthodox church buildings.
How did the non-Orthodox Christian communities receive the newly arrived Russian Orthodox Diaspora?
The Anglicans have been very helpful to the Russian Orthodox ever since we arrived in Australia in the 1920’s. In the early 1920’s and throughout the 20th century many influential Anglican priests were strong anti-communists, so there was always common ground to be found between the ROCOR and the local Christian churches.
These days we don’t have any ties with either the Anglicans or the Catholics, because they have moved so far from everything that somehow used to unite us in the past. We don’t have anything to do with the Catholics or the Anglicans anymore except for acquiring their discarded places of worship. (…)”
Stav,
These words came from Strossmayer’s mouth:
“Schisma orientale, iam, non amplius graecum dici debet, sed proh dolor schisma slavicum, quorum octoginta milliones ab Ecclesia catholica extorres vivunt, qui suae autonomiae, suis particularibus ¡uribus addictissimi sunt, et nihil aliud tantopere aversantur, quam illud quod vel suspicionem ingerere istis possit, quod autonomiae et iurium suorum periculo sit. Ego inter Slavos meridionales moror, ex quibus octo milliones schismatici, tres autem milliones catholici sunt. Ego non possum satis divinae misericordiae gratias agere, quod gens Croatorum, quam tantopere diligo, sit catholica, et possum dicere in tota cordis mei sinceritate, Sedi apostolicae addictissima.”
http://apologetica.org/strossmayer-itomas.htm
In his speech June 2nd,1870 after explaining the religious situation of the Croats and meridional Slavs in general, he made clear the main reason he was afraid regarding Papal Infallibility:
“Verum si haec definitio effectum habeat, vereor, ne, quantum nos scimus, illud fermentum bonum a Deo praedestinatum reliquam Slavorum massam penetret et ad unitatem reducat; vereor ne nova nobis pericula impendant, et ex nostris quidam misere ab unitate Ecclesiae rescindantur, summo certe – quicumque novit historiam nostri temporis – summo et gravissimo humanitatis et omnis futurae culturae detrimento”
Hey Dickie, Being retired L.E. here, got me curious about your comment.
I found this link with a most probably perfect explanation as to why they might be leaving their positions.The partial comment is:
“It seems that the start of the economic final crash may be less than 30 days ahead …”
If that ends up being the case the resignations make a lot of sense. The CEOs don’t want their name stamped in a sinking boat, and police chiefs don’t want to be responsible for the bloodshed they know it’s coming when social chaos breaks loose.
Here is the link if anyone is interested:
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=166392
IMO, those pursuing or instigating hostile schisms between sects of Christianity (eg between Orthodox and Catholic, or Catholic and Protestant) need to see the forest for the trees and put aside most of their differences until the main antagonists and hostile forces are identified and exposed: the money (worshipping) powers, the secular/atheist totalitarian government powers (communist/socialist), and the Zionists (both “Christian” and Jewish).
In fact, perhaps the standard for a sect having officially and institutionally “gone over” to the enemy camp should be the dispensationalist Christian Zionists. True, hostile elements may have penetrated the Orthodox or Catholic or Protestant the way the gay mafia penetrated the Catholic Church, but until the institution itself vows fealty to the antagonists the way the Christian Zionists have institutionally vowed allegiance to Israel, the scale of compromise is relatively insignificant.
By overstating the scale, one actually ends up doing the work of the Zionists, whose modus operandi is to incite division, pit enemy forces against one another, and laugh all the way to victory (and the bank).
In short, keep vigilant, but maintain perspective.
Greetings in Christ, Dear Brother Nathanael and all R.J.N readers,
There are many Orthodox Prophecies relating to the end of times, especially about the Antichrist.
Saint Kosmas – A great Saint who’s prophecies are beginning to take shape!
Many Orthodox prophecies have now been translated into English for ALL to read.
ICXC NIKA
Stav,
Here you may read factual and irrefutable prove that the famous discourse of Bishop Strossmayer is a fraud.
Bishop J.G. Strossmayer new light on Vatican I, de Ivo Sivric o.f.m., Roma-Chicago (1975).
I’ll hope you perform better research to avoid spreading inaccurate information.
Hey jgalindes,
Yeah, I am not claiming that Strossmayer was anything but a Papist, which makes him at least an accomplice of all the evil the Papists have delivered to the world. However his arguments as quoted in the link I provided at that particular speech were quite strongly against a lot that was proclaimed as truth in Vatican I. The same page shows the remarkably illogical response of that councils to his sayings as well.
However as you correctly say he did die a Papist, and thus one cannot trust him completely. That particular speech however has valid arguments, exposed by one of their fellow Papists and thus should elicit more weight.
Nevertheless, I am not one in general, to judge one’s sayings by looking at the person, at least not by face value. One can use people’s negative or positive comments, writings etc. to support or refute an argument. We must not fall into the trap of disregarding arguments simply because of who the person is.
At least that’s the case in most cases, I would off course would be highly suspicious of the motives or hidden meanings produced by satanic Rabbis or a Neo Nazi but in general most people who write something, can provide some sort of basis for using this writing as part of an argument.
If indeed speech for which I posted the link was truly delivered and was real, (for which I have my doubts) I took it on it’s own, without the rest of the co-notations that go with Strossmayer’s activities.
For the rest of his life and reputation I cannot say, because I must confess that I have not looked into it. However I found that particular page very interesting because it was clearly a very strong criticism against the institution of the Pope and many of the Roman fallacies.
I could for example use some of Fr. Joseph’s arguments against his religious community for example, but that does not mean I agree with him in general!
I hope that clears this up. Simply because I quote someone, this does NOT mean that I explicitly or implicitly support all their life and writings as a whole.
Stav
Hey jgalindes,
I just saw your last post.
If indeed that speech was a fraud, then, I would kindly ask anyone reading that post to disregard it. I have no problem with that.
I took it at face value, perhaps a mistake on my part.
Stav
Dear Akira,
In response to your post above, I agree that there is more awareness of Jewish responsibility and less open talk of all those of our own people who operate within a quasi-Jewish “Temple of Solomon”. The mind of man is averse to stirring up dangerous controversy. Obviously, for some reason, Freemasons form an invisible governing body within the Anglosphere.
Let me hypothetically connect the dots from my previous post, things you have posted on the subject and the general overview, as I see it. In the center of the picture is Prince Philip as a representative of Grand Lodge Freemasonry. His wife, Elizabeth II is “Grand Patroness of World Freemasonry”.
Prince Philip is the operative link apparent between the “Pan-Hellenist” schismatic Patriarch of Constantinople at the Phanar (lighthouse). The so called “Green Patriarch”, Bartholemew, was substantially collaborating with Prince Philip in setting the stage for the Copenhagen conference, but have both lost face since.
Here I would remind the reader that Prince Philip was born in Corfu, Greece; his father, Prince Andrew, was the grandson of King Christian IX of Denmark, where Copenhagen is. And that the apparently corrupt, arch-schismatic Patriarch of Constantinople in 1922, Meletios Metaxakis was himself a player in the world of elite family connections, which got him the career building post of Patriarch of Athens according to his degree of amiability with Venizelos, the head of the Greek government.
We are reminded of the early life initiation, (1909) on the isle of Crete, of Mataxakis into Masonry, as alleged by an ethnic Greek member of the British defense establishment. This is consistent with the recollection by deposed Patriarch-elect Metropolitan Germanos (Karavangelis) in 1921 of being first approached with a bribe, and then coerced with implied threats of torture by “a three-man delegation from ‘The National Defense League’,” who insisted that “…Greek national interests and that international interests required Meletios to be elected as Patriarch.”
Hence, one only has to connect the royal family of Prince Andrew to Grand Lodge Freemasonry in Greece and to the Greek government to see the setting in which one can reasonably suspect the infiltration of the Patriarchate of Constantinople by British Israel (sic) to push New Age Druidism, which is Noachide Law and Grand Lodge Freemasonry in spirit, in collaboration with the Anglican Church.
Interesting also, is the name of the Anglican bishop who presided on the right hand of Patriarch Meletios Metaxakis at the “Pan-Hellenist” conclave, one Charles Gore. Lines right up with Al Gore, Grand Lodge Freemasonry, ‘global warming’ and the irrational hype surrounding the false data, much of which was ‘faith based’, shall we say.
Lastly, in a blatant play to New Age Millennialist longing, the Patriarch of Constantinople held the following conference:
“One such consultation was held in Patmos, Greece (1988), to mark the 900th anniversary of the historic Monastery of St John the Theologian. The then Ecumenical Patriarch Dimitrios assigned Metropolitan John (Zizioulas) of Pergamon as Patriarchal representative to this conference entitled ‘Revelation and the Future of Humanity’ and organized jointly by the Ecumenical Patriarchate and the Greek Ministry of Cultural Affairs in cooperation with the local civil authorities. One of the primary recommendations of this conference was that the Ecumenical Patriarchate should designate one day each year for the protection of the natural environment.” (patriarchate.org)
The Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople has not issued a statement since the failures at Copenhagen, most probably due to sabotage by the Grand Orient Lodge and the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, which probably have other ideas which sound better to Third World nations, and as atheist skeptics they reject the ‘Gaia theory’ in favor of better wages and living conditions for humans first, even at the price of pollution.
In my opinion, I can find nothing in the environmental writings of Patriarch Bartholemew which are in any way repugnant. They are, in fact, things I all agree with and support. After all, I am a small farmer and I love nature and benefit from it being used well and loved by the people with a sense of religious conviction. The more serious aspect of this is how these good writings are arranged in a position relative to the furtherance of an approaching New Age Millennium pyramid dictatorship. This is an attempt by someone to sweeten up the bitter pill with good-sounding words.
It would be desirable for the Ecumenical Patriarch to make a visible distance between himself and this creeping fascism. We will look eagerly for such announcements from the Phanar as would unilaterally reject New Age Freemasonry using environmentalism as a pretext to return the masses to impoverished agrarian serfdom or to erect legal barriers to the right to the private property, including widespread land ownership, amongst God-created individuals.
The Peace of Christ be with You.
Dear friends,
In the Rumor Mills’ retiring CEOs list, included is the president of Argentinean Central Bank(Mr.Redrado). The reason being, apparently, that a Court judge in NY entitled Mr. Dart (a Jewish-American speculator) to cash almost U$S 1 billon owed in reason of the so called “fondos buitre”.
Mr Redrado, was against using Central Bank U$S international reserves to pay MR Dart.
Mr Dart owns a good deal of Brazilian foreign debt, more than 4 % of it!
While this excremental human being is living like a prince with his own “missilistic” yacht, millions of Argentinean and Brazilians are dying of hunger.
For a better understanding of “nature preservation” from the Freemason POV, please see:
The Club of Rome
http://www.clubofrome.org/eng/home
Please take further notice on their full members, honorary members and secretariat.
Many crowned heads displayed!!
Friends,
Let me illustrate, the workings of freemasonry – Club of Rome, just for the sake of completeness.
In june 2008, Marina Silva, Head of the all important Environment Ministry was sacked by the forces to which president José Ignacio Lula da Silva bow.
She was acused of slowness in the release of paperwork dealing with extractivist activities in the Amazonian Rain Forest.
She was “dragging her feet”.
In her replacement came Carlos Minc Baunfeld, this last surname completely unknown to 99.9% of the Brazilians.
Minc comes from a Polish Jew immigrant family.
He was at the time Secretary of the Environment Department in RJ State bureaucracy, travelling to Paris on his way to a Club of Rome meeting…whence he received President’s Lula telephone call announcing his new job.
In rosy words, as MichaelK wrote, The Club of Rome, a Globalist Org., force hold-down politics in every country of the world, even against their own legitimate national interests.
Or, approving huge damaging projects like Monte Belo gigantic Hydroelectric facility well in the Amazon forest, at the margins of Xingú River.
Minc hypocritically declared that ambient impact will be minimum and that no natives will have to be resettled, even knowing that the enormous pond will inundate 500 Km2 where live several aboriginal tribes.
Greetings in the Lord Jesus, RZN family:
Links: Orthodox teachings regarding Freemasonry. Should give everyone a comprehensive overview.
http://www.stgeorgehermitage.org/freemasonry.html
http://www.roca.org/OA/70/70t.htm
http://aggreen.net/heterodox/heterodx.html
http://www.stlukeorthodox.com/html/thefaith/borichevsky/masonry.cfm
http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/masonry.aspx
http://www.orthodoxengland.org.uk/fmasonry.htm
Dear Stav,
Apparently that particular speech of Bishop Strossmeyer is spurious, but does not change the fact that he was still a significant minority voice opposing the dogma of papal infallibility at Vatican I.
Also, he was a moderate voice promoting the nationalistic pan-Slav movement in the various national risings for Balkan independence from the Sublime Porte, which was unity of all those of Slavic by birth in Eastern Europe, whether Serb, Croat, Slovene, Slovak etc., following the enlightened model that the Catholic Kingdom of Hungary had long followed with charters of ethnic and religious equality between Catholics and Orthodox regardless of whether they were ethnic Orthodox, Catholic, or Muslim, and juggling pressures from the papally entwined Austrian-Hungarian throne, and ultra-nationalists on the other hand, as “liberal bishop”, that is, in the Gallican camp.
http://www.catholic.com/library/The_Anti_Catholic_Bible.asp
“The trouble is that the speech is a well-known forgery. Bishop Strossmeyer did not make that speech, and, in fact, when it was being circulated [in the 1870’s] *by a disgruntled former Catholic* the bishop repeatedly and publicly denied that it was his and demanded a retraction by the guilty party…
“This gross error has been repeated by many of the anti-Catholic groups that rely on Boettner. None of them, apparently, became suspicious, though the speech reads as though it came from a stereotypical “Bible thumping” Protestant rather than a “scholarly” Catholic bishop.”
~~~
In any case, it does not change the fact that Bishop Strossmeyer was a strong minority voice against papal infallibility during Vatican I as the pinnacle of the great controversy that shook Europe between Gallicanism and Ultramonanism in the larger, drawn out, partisan politicking scheme of things raging at that time, long before even the dogma of the Immaculate Conception was decreed in 1864 — after centuries of theological debate, that even Thomas Aquinas opposed on technical grounds, while proponents swore blood oaths to defend the belief to the death http://www.catholicapologetics.org/ap080400.htm .
Stav, suggest you acquire the one-volume “A Concise History of the Catholic Church” by Thomas Bokenkotter, (my version is from 1979), a very well respected Catholic scholar and historian for a bracingly cheerful and open look across many panoramas of history and behind the scenes, and the personalities involved.
In any case, that the speech might be spurious doesn’t mean that Bishop Strossmeyer, part of a significant minority, wasn’t opposed to increased centralization of the Papacy, and that it was Vatican I that caused the schism and formation of the Old Catholics.
“In spite of its numerical inferiority – never more than 20 percent of the Council—the “liberal” minority [those opposed to ultramontanism] was nevertheless an imposing body by reason of the important sees represented: nearly the whole Austro-Hungarian episcopate, most of the German bishops, a good third of the French, and numerous American bishops from large dioceses.
The minority came to the Council [V-1] with considerable fear of finding everything prearranged and the Curia prepared to use bishops merely as rubber stamps to ratify what had been determined in advance. The minority feared in particular that the Curia would engineer a move to have papal infallibility accepted by simple acclamation instead of vote.
Their fears and misgivings were confirmed during the first weeks…But what caused the greatest consternation was the high-handed maneuver by which Cardinal Manning deprived them of any representation on the key committee—De Fide – which would be responsible for drafing any statement on infallibility.” (Bokenkotter – p. 333).
After 1 ½ pages describing the maneuverings of the majority of Ultramontanists and the protests of the Liberals and Gallicans, the involvement of the Catholic press world wide on both sides, “the minority were more sensitive to the complex nature of the Church’s constitution and afraid of disturbing the delicate balance of power between Pope and bishops, while the majority were more concerned about extirpating the remnants of Gallicanism.” (p. 334).
“The debate on this schema lasted from the middle of May until the middle of July 1870, during which time the minority made a futile effort to ward off the inevitable. A brilliant phalanx led by Hefele, Raushcer, Maret, Ketteler, Strossmayer, and Darboy presented the minority point of view, questioning the expediency of defining infallibility, pointing out the historical and theological problems it raised.
“But the majority were not going to be dissuaded by argument from a course they had long before decided on. Ill prepared for the most part to cope with their more learned adversaries on intellectual grounds, they merely waited with impatience until they could decently move to close the debate.” (p 335).
“However, the effort of the minority was not completely wasted. This is indicated by the concession made to their point of view in the speech by a Dominican, Cardinal Guidi, the most distinguished theologian of the majority. He proposed a formula that would speak of the infallibiity of the Pope’s doctrinal definitions rather than of the “infallibility of the Pope”…and suggested including a clause obliging the Pope to make a serious examination of tradition—which Guidi had said, would normally include consultation with the bishops. (p335-336).
“Although Guidi’s conciliatory proposals found favor with both sides, he later received a stinging rebuke from Pio Nono, who shouted at him, “Tradizione! La tradizione son’io!” (“Tradition! I am Tradition!”)” (p336)
Dear Michael K,
Patriarch Bartholmew’s “green” theological opinion as it pertains to Creation and Adam’s stewardship, per se, is sound enough especially considering the modern industrial/environmental/war pollution and destructive mess, its the direction of false-ecumenism its been taken captive by this antichrist spirit of the age.
“Bible-thumping Orthodox, and fallen sinner”. Peace in Christ,
IC XC
NI KE
Thanks KathJuliane,
I stand corrected, I should have crosschecked that one, which I admit I did not do in that case. It was like 3:30am and was 50% awake… However as you say, at least that particular text, no matter it’s sources or validity, gave a heterodox for sure (which I hope I made clear in my original mention), yet pretty convincing and valid (for the most part) opposition to some of the Papal/Roman new introduced heretical doctrines. I used the page I referenced purely for the content of that page and nothing more.
I will check all of your info out, thanks for the help.
I don’t pretend to have read as much as you have, which is very clear from your very informative posts, my method usually has less fact “abundance” and more logical argument. After all, that’s my strong point.
Any more suggestions you may have pertaining to this ongoing “subject” will be appreciated greatly!
Of course, I think that collectively the OC perspective has been presented here in such a way that we have on the record already many multiple and differently approached ways of proving the same thing, namely the heretical status of Papist doctrine.
So to me, any additional information presented here, will be mainly to provide a level of variety, rather than a conclusive proof. That has already been provided and those who are ready and willing can easily take it from there.
And as everyone knows, once it gets to the point when one can afford to spend time on getting some variety rather than the essential, it is clear that the essential has by far been met! 🙂
Thanks again!
In Christ our Lord,
Stav
Dear KathJuliane,
Thanks a lot for the historical perspective:
( February 6, 2010 @ 6:06 pm )
That originated with my message regarding Alexander Dugin and THE OLD BELIEVERS.
( February 4, 2010 @ 2:39 pm )
May I kindly ask which is the present situation of this parcel of Russian Orthodoxy?.
I know that Dugin himself is an Old Believer.
Dear Lynda,
Time after time here on RZN, I find that I have to ‘shake my head’ in disbelieve in what I see and what I encounter here on RZN on the part of the Orthodox.
It seems to me that nothing, nothing and nothing ELSE matters to them with regards to what is going on OUTSIDE in and throughout the entire World but their ‘orthodoxy’!
Our entire World is on the BRINK of a thermonuclear Third World War – and OUR LORD and His MOTHER with their LOVING Sacred and Immaculate Hearts are desirious of granting all of us WORLD PEACE – and the Orthodox here DENOUNCE-REJECT what God Incarnate and His Mother has TOLD both Mankind and the Ecclesiastical Hierarchy of the CHURCH what need to be DONE in order to CRUSH Satan’s head, to DESTROY the legions of elemental evil demonics so that all of us can have WORLD PEACE!
“They” keep their heads steadfastly BURIED in the sand – going over and over and over what some Bishop said, what some Saint might have said, what some historical tid-bit somehow ‘proves’ their burying their heads in the sand in view of this Third World War – like ANY OF THAT is going to somehow STOP thermonuclear BLASTS!
At the present moment – I don’t know what possible else I might be able to do to get them to OPEN UP THEIR EYES!
Maybe they DON’T WANT TO and REFUSE TO!
– Fr. Joseph
Dear Fr. Joseph,
So Fr. Joseph, lets ignore the Truth, let’s imply that the means justify the end, let’s say that even if it’s true what we say, it does not matter because we are at the end of times! Just exactly what the Holy Martyrs did then, right?
WRONG!
What you fail to see if that having the right faith IS the solution to the upcoming Armageddon, because God seeks to be worshiped in Spirit and in Truth:
John 4:22-24 (King James Version)
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Consider then, the fact, that the Roman Papists, possess neither spirituality, nor the truth! And they do not have spirituality because they place their Pope before Jesus Christ as the head of their “Church” and they threw away the truth, when they decided to desecrate the doctrines.
And what you fail to see, is that Jesus Christ IS the head of the Church, not a Pope. Your Pope CANNOT save us from the upcoming Armageddon, ONLY Christ can do that! So what you fail to see is that the solution can be found within the power of the MIGHTY CREATOR, as He is the Alpha and the Omega and He can deliver us:
Colossians 1:16-18 (King James Version)
16 For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him:
17 And he is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Orthodoxy is not a hobby of ours Fr. Joseph, nor is it some out of context obsession in these end of times. We uphold it because we believe it IS the solution to all evil that you mention. The solution is not some demonic apparition, nor a consecration performed by someone who does not have the power nor the required Grace to consecrate what lies under his own shadow, let alone the whole world…
You mention world peace, but you fail to see that Jesus Christ did not come to bring world peace, but rather the sword and Salvation:
Matthew 10:30-38 (King James Version)
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Stav
May I suggest dear friends to inspect Roy Tov’s website, especifically the articles:
Defeating Israel:
http://www.roytov.com/articles/war.htm
Roy Tov is a refugee recognized under the 1951 Geneva Convention.
Due to a recent attack by Israel (Shim-Bet-Mossad), he was left with permanent damage in his throat.
Israel attempted also to entrap him in several ways, even by using a prominent American politician.
He is seeking resettlement under the 1967 Geneva Protocol or to be gracefully recognized by another country under the 1951 Convention.
In any case that must be in a country with no diplomatic relations with Israel.
He was an IDF officer and knows a great deal of the tactical approches to a conventional war against Israel.
I ask God to protect this Jewish convert to the Christian faith given the dangerous topics he is dealing with.
@Stav,
I agree with you 100%. I wish I could defend my faith like you do. But I know that the Lord Jesus Christ knows my heart.
Thank you for your comments.
The Pope of Rome gets in the way of Christ. The Pope is a usurper.
Hi all,
I will say whats gong through my mind. I see many here who say that this online debate between the OC and the “RCC”, Protestants etc. etc. is out of topic, that it is hindering the efforts to fight the Zionist/NWO threat and war and that is is plainly irrelevant.
Now, one thing we can do to START fighting the new world order, is to make their overt and hidden action known to as many people as possible. I agree wholeheartedly with that.
But just for a minute, let’s consider, that all the people who can know what’s going on, actually eventually find out.
THEN WHAT?
OK, we know who’s behind world control, world dictatorship, the Antichrist. OK we know about the Zionists, the Satanists, the Masons etc. etc.
SO WHAT? What are we going to do about it? Are we talking revolution here? Silent and peaceful disobedience? Which one? And how? Are we going to put some strategy into this, or are we going to just let everybody what they feel they should do? And exactly what are the options for either individuals or groups, when it comes to actually fighting or providing some opposition, whether passive or active against all this evil?
That’s where, in my opinion, God comes into all of this. Not that He is not always with us of course, that’s a figure of speech.
But nevertheless, once you know about all the evil, you gotta make a decision. You either fight your own fight, or Fight on the side of God. And once you take Gods path, well, then we have a choice. We need to make sure that we have the best possible access to Him, in the best, most perfect way. Why skim on matters of faith, when we are going all the way anyway, right?
So, that’s where my personal opinion comes in, and THAT’S why I uphold and make known the differences between Orthodoxy and other denominations.
It’s because, once we get past the information stage, we must get into the action stage. And when this comes, you must either go ALL the way with God or all the way “the other way”…
Look at Br. Nathanael and his example, he works on both tasks:
1) Informing his fellow man on what really is going on and who is behind it,
AND
2) Getting people to remember that Christ is the Salvation and Solution for all of this, with his Street Evangelism.
And so, if one gets stuck in the 1st step, which is making the info available and spreading it, there’s two things that in my opinion they should know:
1) That spreading the info, in ONLY the first step, it is NOT the solution it self.
2) That, if one wants to be PART of the solution, and not merely stating that there needs to be one (sometime), then they need to take action, beyond and past simply passing on information.
Any comments?
Stav
Dear RZN Christians,
Many years ago, before the troubles of 9-11, but after Gulf War One, I was introduced to shortwave radio and a patriot by the name of William Cooper. He is now dead, murdered by the pigs. But his memory lives on, and the lessons he was teaching have stayed with me.
In particular, Cooper suggested in the strongest possible terms that his listeners buy the book “Scarlet an the Beast”, by John Daniel. What he said was that this book summed up the most important facts he himself had uncovered in his research about secret societies. He also disagreed with the authors conclusions about what to do with this information, but that was less important than getting educated.
So, in 1994 I ordered a copy of the book and studied it in depth for years. It is from this background that I am going to try and educate the general reader in the different faces of Freemasonry and their prophetic meaning according to the author and Bill Cooper.
The following links are to sources for the book:
http://www.scarletandthebeast.com/volonechapreview.htm
http://philologos.org/GUIDE/books/daniel.john.1.htm
The first thing I noticed about the Orthodox sites dealing with Freemasonry was an evident lack of understanding of the dual nature of the craft. Freemasonry is a divided house; the two camps of apparently irreconcilable difference are called The United Grand Lodge and the Grand Orient Lodge. They are also the basis for the political “right” and “left”.
The following excerpt from the book offers an explanatory diagram:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/12946989/2-Faces-Freemasonry-John-Daniel-00
Most significantly, from a Christian perspective, author John Daniel makes the equivalency between two prophetic persons from Revelations and the two masonic grand lodges. The Whore of Babylon (Scarlet) is the deistic United Grand Lodge centered in the City of London; and the Beast is the atheistic Grand Orient centered in Paris. The colors symbolically used to represent these lodges are blue (as in blue-bloods) for the Grand Lodge; and red (as in socialists) for the Grand Orient.
John Daniel’s critique of Jewish issues seems naive to me. He openly decries Caballism and its Babylonian pagan mysticism. But, he seems either ignorant or unaware of the Talmud and considers Zionist Jews “the good guys”. He also piously references “six million” etc.
So John Daniel has his blind spot, but his in depth research of Freemasonry fills in many gaps that exist in present learning. Indeed, John Daniel’s conviction that most politics is organized along Masonic lines has plenty of evidence supporting it. Wherever Jews fit in, they are by no means the complete picture.
My own observation is that Jews are divided along similar lines, and don’t fit into some monolithic bloc. Neither are they insignificant players. But it is the anti-Christ spirit which pervades both Freemasonries and Talmudic Judaism, and it is this spirit which defines the true enemy, not merely the various outer trappings of race, faith, piety, or moral ethics professed.
Therefore, keep a positive focus on the Truth, and it shall set you free from the many and varied delusions arising from the flesh and those who worship the ‘god of this world’. For their guises are: sometimes a Jew; sometimes an Anti-Semite; sometimes a National Socialist; sometimes a republican; sometimes a monarchist; and sometimes an international communist.
The common thread holding them all together is an underlying rejection of Christ as the begotten Son of God and a rejection of his mission of salvation through grace and self-sacrifice on the cross, and substitution of that with a confidence in some method of perfecting the flesh outside of Christ’s saving grace.
The Peace of Christ be with You.
Dear Father Joseph,
I had no idea the mentality that was behind all these hateful ‘papist’ , ‘not a church but a heresy’ comments until I started reading RJN, RZN and the Orthodox message boards.
What unites them is a whole litany of historical grievances, the hatred of the Roman Catholic Church and the Petrine Succession and Rites that like Uniate went with the Council of Chalcedon at when the Great Schism came to a head. The whole thing is postively rabbinical.
Really, I had no idea Orthodoxy was this bad. The Orthodox Tradition were always spoken of with respect in all the Catholic circles that I have ever frequented. Episcopal statements (before the robber V-2 Council) always characterized them as schismatic, but always in the context of emphasis of the saints we still venerate in common and much of Sacred Tradtion that we share.
So for me this has been a huge eye opener.
But really, the way events have fallen out, it is going to come down to episcopal authority and the Keys.
Remember that when the 1917 Fatima event occurred, the approbated Catholic press did not carry the story. Catholic publishing has always been under the authority of the bishop. And although this event was clearly of a supernatural, even Biblical character, the Catholic press did not cover it because the mind of the Catholic Church was not yet known.
It was the secular press throughout the world that covered the Fatima event.
However, when three popes (valid according to canonical criteria i.e. Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio) infalliably rule this event to be the Signum Magnum ex cathedra, then the Roman Catholic who values his or her eternal salvation had better come to attention and believe that this event is what three popes have declared: Apoc 12.
This is the living authority in the Catholic Church declaring the deep things of God and bearing faithful witness to what the Holy Spirit is saying to the Church.
If I had been at Fatima in 1917, I would have been as overwhelmed as everyone else and given thanks to God because the miracle was given that all might believe. But Lucifer does supernatural signs and – as a result many seeing the power of the Devil come to believe in God as a result. For which Deo Gratias. The Devil has converted not a few people I am sure.
But I hope that if I had been priviledge to be there, I would not have believed it to be ‘of God’ until the Catholic Church had ruled.
Now we see exactly what our Lady was talking about when she spoke of “the errors of Russia”. Not just Soviet atheism, but this entrenched hatred of Roman Catholic Church, the Petrine Successors and magisterium.
This testament of our Lord’s own words, the declarations of the Fathers, the Council of Chalcedon are a seamless unity to which we as Catholics adhere. But these are rejected by many who call themselves by the name of Christ.
We see this daily. The Church in the West is currently in defeat. This time of the Great Apostasy is a time worse than the Arian heresy when the heretics were in control and in occupation of the Church infastructure, a time when those who held the true faith were very few and far between, a time that makes us recall the words of our Lord concerning his coming: ” will the Son of Man find faith upon the earth?”. It is coming down to that.
Yet seeing the West mown down by the Revolution of the antiChrist, every throne and altar overthrown, the wholesale massacres of the Catholic populations throughout Europe – a Revolution that their own episcopacy doesn’t even acknowledge except in its Russian coup – what do we hear from the Orthodox – nothing but contempt for ‘the papists’, gloating and smacking the lips over the evils of Rome (real and imagined), the diabolical Uniates who maintain their Sacred Tradition and remain in communion with the Holy Father and all the rest of this.
Their bishops at Vatican II were wall to wall KGB and there is no proof that this has ever changed. Yet we are supposed to believe that somehow Apostolic Succession has been maintained in the East. I did not believe it then; and I do not believe it now. The antipapacy has manifestly extinguished the Apostolic Succession in the West for those who possess enough catechism to perceive this reality.
The Succession is now extinguished East and West and survives as a persecuted remnant underground.
If you want to read centuries of denunciations against JudeoMasonry and their antiChrist Revolution that has destroyed the treasures of the Church both East and West you have to look at the Roman Catholic magisterium on the Synagogue of Satan. There is no other.
This is not to say that I think hell has or will prevailed. It is our Lord who must reign until all his enemies are under his feet. But at present we are in defeat and there is nothing for it but the counsels of the Blessed Mother of prayer, penance, reparation and to pray the Holy Rosary for the Triumph of her Immaculate Heart. I think we have to accept this present defeat and its privations and offer this to our Lord for the conversion of poor sinners, for the suffering Holy Father (in exile) and for sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
Foremost among the latter is contempt for the means that Heaven has placed in the hands of the faithful whom the world despises, the small and the weak who by their fidelity will win for the Church and the world the Triumph that is to come.
That is the way I see it at present.
JMJ
Lynda
The Greek Orthodox Church hierarchy appears to be suffering from a credibility/image problem.
Stav maybe you can address that instead of attacking your imaginary version of Planet Catholic.
There is also the suggestion that the pro-Russian Greek goverment was ousted by a CIA backed series of bushfire ploys.
Did the Orthodox hierarchy play a role in that act of destabilization?
It seems that freemasonry is also using the Greek Orthodox hierarchy to attack the Catholic Faith.
Do you have any suggestions as to why Greek Orthodox Church would do this ?
Ignorance is not an excuse, neither in wife beating nor church bashing.
.
Hi there Lynda, charlie and Fr. Joseph,
Your orchestrated “dialogue” between your selves, is not going to work. I wonder why you resort to elaborate plans, rather than simply trying to argue against valid statements…
Tell me something, why is it, that you always answer a question with a question? And why is it that you demand an answer from me on your questions, of which some may have merit, but refuse to answer my own, which were presented to you before your own?
No, I will not answer your questions before you do mine.
And, consider this: If I am wrong in calling your “church” a heresy, then WHAT is the problem? Then again, if I seem to be right, then WHY don’t you attempt to refute what others and I say with sensible arguments? Don’t you see, that yours and your religious community policy of NEVER addressing the problems only continues and widens the rift?
You delude your selves that any grievances are imaginary and/or historical. The grievances are primarily DOCTRINAL which loads to a BLASPHEMOUS theology, which leads to a FALSE worship, which leads to NO SALVATION. I am telling you all of this to help you, but you fail to see this.
You may view my comments as nasty or even hate filled, but you have gotten me all wrong. My concern is for you and since you appear to be in TOTAL DENIAL, you need some strong words to even trigger your attention.
Furthermore, while I typically address these messages, they are not really any longer directed to you as such, but rather they provide the different position, which is NOT your position. You simply have to realize, that people reading this forum, may be Orthodox, Protestant, belong to the Roman Papist community, or even atheistic or whatever other religion.
I personally find it INSULTING and extremely disagreeable how you refer to your community as the “Church” or the “Truth”, or your “Pope” as “Holy” as I am sure this is the case for many others. Please keep these kinds of comments to your self, IF you want me to stop, and I will stop immediately, that’s a promise. But as long as you present your self as “the Church”, when I deeply see you as heretics, I am sure you appreciate the fact that I cannot stay silent on this.
Please allow some democracy on this site, this is NOT your usual Papist council. I know you would rather be let free to post your disagreeable comments here with less opposition, but I am sorry, as long as Br. Nathanael hosts me (and very patiently too I must say), why should I stop?
Do you realize that your latest display of undemocratic and apparently organized persecution, mirrors EXACTLY what the Popes’ fellow Zionists Jews do everyday? They too, respond without argument and prefer to call names based on nothing but apparently emotional grounds. Will you now become like them, simply because you find no way of justifying yourselves? Is that the course of action a wise person would take?
You also, as usual provide NO counter arguments but instead resort to the judging of individuals and groups without any support whatsoever.
Today, not yesterday, not years ago, not hundreds of years ago, the Papist Heresy is busy committing crimes against whole populations via the Uniate “Church” or other wise usurped name of “Byzantine Catholic Church”.
These deluded imposters, TODAY, are walking around dressed in Eastern clothing, persecuting and violently assimilating Orthodox Populations. They desecrate our Church buildings, attack my fellow Orthodox and ALL under the “blessings” of your Pope.
If you really want to help the situation and restore some of your integrity, then I’d suggest you collectively write a letter to this Pope of yours, and demand that he IMMEDIATELY STOPS these cruel acts of violence and deception!
There you have it, for the 10th time, I have given you something real, something tangible for you to consider as proof of your lack of Grace, but as usual you will ignore this.
Everything else, including your apparent political correctness and almost theatrical response of awe to my comments, is just fluff, supported by nothing but empty words and questionable intentions.
You, as usual do NOT provide evidence not any valuable arguments, and when pushed into a corner, you resort to claiming that none of the evil presented to you does not matter and that dogma does not matter, even though you show an extreme obsession of following your twisted version of Christianity.
You are ready to admit ANYTHING, even further heresy, as long as you don’t have to admit to the failure of epic proportions of the Papists.
Unless you listen to your conscience, telling you everyday to consider what is presented to you, you will NEVER find peace.
Stav
Stav,
You have problems – what “ochestrated” dialogue? You have three people seeing reality as it is all independently posting their thoughts here – and you “see” a Papist Council.
My gosh….
– Fr. Joseph
Stav,
What are YOU going to do when the Serbian Orthodox Partiarch himself wants reconciliation with ‘THE PAPISTS’??
“Serbian Patriarch Proposes Summit with Pope”
http://www.fatima.org/news/newsviews/efnews020510.asap
In addition to publicly denouncing the Bishop of Rome in front of the whole-wide world via Br. Nathanael’s RZN website – are you now preparing to start denouncing the Patriarchs of the Orthodox Church AS WELL?
I take it that you are prepared to start YOU OWN ‘Orthodox Church’ and making yourself it’s ‘Spokesman’, granting yourself the title of ‘Patriarch’.
The REALITY remains – all of us are on the verge of a thermonuclear Third World War.
The REALITY remains – Heaven has already offered Divine Supernatural ASSISTANCE in helping us AVOID this upcoming thermonuclear Third World War – and you rabidly ‘anti-PAPISTS’ of the Orthodox Chuch are PREVENTING Heaven from granting us Their Supernatural Assistance!
Perhaps several other people who SEE this Reality will make the effort to post their own thoughts/words to you:
‘THANKS A LOT FOR ALL OF YOUR HELP, STAV, in seeing to it that all of us get ROASTED ALIVE in thermonuclear blasts the world over!”
– Fr. Joseph
Further to my post about the war on Iran.
The USA and Israel must be confident of their ability to knock out the Iranian electronics and communications grid.
Othwise they would not be positioning themselves for an attack.
This massive ordnance they are building, I think is designed to do just that. It is a pressure bomb, designed to be exploded in the air and knock out the above just before the launch of a massive assault on Iran, and believe me, no target will be off limits.
The press about this being a bomb to penetrate underground facilities is nonsense.
Abindinjad is aware of this. Thats why he has said publicly the Iranian nation is set to deal a massive blow to the aggressors on the anniverary of the Iranian Revolution (?) which coincides, from what I can make out, with the very day that ordinance is due to be used.
I get the feeling the USA and Israel have bitten off a little more than they might be able to chew.
They may end up with a severe case of ‘the runs.’
The 10,000 plus missile response I mentioned above is simply the initial response.
Iran has a comprehensive attack plan, fully operational which includes a pincer movement against American and other ground forces in Iraq which would see them cut off from their supplies easily and quickly.
Victory goes to those with fire in the belly and steel in the soul.
I do not see either Israeli or American troops in possession of either of these gifts.
Dear Fr. Joseph,
Well, may be it is not orchestrated, you did not take part in that “dialogue” but I find it somewhat rude when someone talks about me, without directing themselves to me, when they obviously know I am present.
I’d suggest you give me the courtesy of answering at least one of my own questions before posing any new ones to me for once.
For example:
Do you consider the Pope supported actions of the Uniates or Jesuits (take your choice) as good? If yes, then explain your self. If not, then why do you trust the Pope?
Let’s do it one at a time, I’ll answer one of your questions, if you answer one of mine, sound fair?
Thanks
Stav
Dear Fr. Joseph,
Well, let me take the first step, I’ll answer you question, but then, please answer mine, OK?
You say:
“What are YOU going to do when the Serbian Orthodox Partiarch himself wants reconciliation with ‘THE PAPISTS’??”
Well, let me answer:
1) I don’t think anything of the sort will happen. Dialogue, maybe will take place. No problem there. However, reconciliation without the relinquishing and reverting of the Papist new doctrines, NO.
And remember, to express a desire to reconcile, is one thing, and I wish it too more than you know. But to reconcile without some serious repentance taking place on the side of the Roman religious community, is a completely different thing, which, rest assured will NEVER happen.
2) Even if we assume that this happens, you must understand Fr. Joseph, our Patriarchs, as long as they uphold our Holy Tradition, are honored as the first among a council of many equals. We consider them to be still human, and NOT infallible. So, if any Patriarch, would reconcile without the conditions I mentioned, he would be simply be deposed and excommunicated automatically. Rest assured the body of the various councils and Church in general would NEVER reconcile with the Pope and his community without having some clear practical signs of repentance on the part of the Roman Papists on every single individual transgression.
Thus, as you can see the answer is clear, there is NO man infallible, and NO one is treated as such, and the Church will be faithful to its Holy Tradition, NO MATTER what any individual does, even if they are a Patriarch.
Incidentally, the same goes for any Orthodox (Priest or not) who decides to become a Freemason and does not repent.
The Church remains and survives Fr. Joseph, because it has Jesus Christ as its head and Holy Tradition as it’s eternal heritage which we follow regardless of any individual person.
Stav
I’ll answer YOUR question when you answer MY question:
Does the Bishop of Rome have ‘THE KEYS’?
And if you answer ‘No!’, then tell all us of who has AUTHORITY in the Orthodox Church.
And if there IS any sort of ‘authority’ in the Eastern Orthodox Church, you tell us ‘WHO?’ gave it to them.
– Fr. Joseph
Stav,
There is this spiritual matter called a ‘good conscience’.
If GREEKS or SERBIANS or RUSSIANS or ANY EASTERN EUROPEANS in ‘good conscience’ recognize that the Bishop of Rome has been entrusted with ‘The Keys’ – and THEY choose to remain IN UNION WITH the Bishop of Rome, what’s that TO YOU or to the Patriarchs of the Eastern Orthodox Church?
Regarding the ‘Jesuits’. The holder of ‘The Keys’ can dissolve/disband the Jesuit Order.
– Fr. Joseph
Dear Fr. Joseph,
You say:
“In addition to publicly denouncing the Bishop of Rome in front of the whole-wide world via Br. Nathanael’s RZN website – are you now preparing to start denouncing the Patriarchs of the Orthodox Church AS WELL?”
Yeah, I have denounced him, because of his proven track record to support and create heresies for one thing. Are you implying that you yourself completely accept the Orthodox Bishops? If yes, then listen to what they are saying about your Pope and take heed. If you do not accept them or what they are saying, they are are also denouncing my Patriarchs in front of the world to see.
So which one is it?
If you do not accept mine, then why would you expect me to accept yours, without any supporting arguments?
You say:
“The REALITY remains – Heaven has already offered Divine Supernatural ASSISTANCE in helping us AVOID this upcoming thermonuclear Third World War – and you rabidly ‘anti-PAPISTS’ of the Orthodox Chuch are PREVENTING Heaven from granting us Their Supernatural Assistance!”
What on earth are you talking about? You talk about your Fatima apparition as if it is the most important thing that’s ever happened to humanity since creation.
Wake up Fr. Joseph, Jesus Christ the Messiah has already arrived to earth 2000 years ago, and you can meet Him in any OC Liturgy and join with Him.
That means that Heaven has not only already offered Divine Supernatural ASSISTANCE. It means that God almighty has offered HIMSELF Fr. Joseph. Do you have something to present to us that has more value? Do you?
That’s the God ALMIGHTY I am talking about Fr. Joseph, ALL the help we could have possibly needed has already been offered to us 2000 years ago!!!!!!!!!!
I am totally awestruck at the rate at which heresy can deteriorate ones thinking and priorities… Are you joking Fr. Joseph, or do you truly believe that an apparition is more important than Jesus Christ Who offers Himself everyday on the altar????
I mean it, are you joking? Are you trying to get to me? Are you talking out of anger and forgot to double check what you are writing? I can understand that I do this sometimes too. If not Fr. Joseph, I just cannot believe that you have it all so badly wrong. After all you still believe that Jesus Christ is Almighty God the second person of the Holy Trinity right? And you still read the Bible, right? Please put 2 and 2 together and see your error.
What can I say…
Stav
Stav,
And here you are, jumping up and down and doing your best Protestant crying ‘there is NO MAN who is infallible!’ in order to denounce the Bishop of Rome.
You don’t even UNDERSTAND the Pope’s charism of ‘infallibility’.
When the Bishop of Rome as Christ’s Shepherd of the Roman Catholic Church exercises the Charism of Infallibility, he does so speaking ‘Ex Cathedra’ and his infallible statements -teachings on the Apostolic Faith or the Apostles is limited to either the Christian Church’s FAITH on on a Christian’s MORALS.
To my knowledge, if my memory serves me correctly, the Bishop of Rome has only exercised his Charism of Infallibility but THREE TIMES.
Whoever is AGITATING you into these interior spiritual states of mind, heart, soul and spirit that are yours – he, she or they are NOT doing you very much good.
– Fr. Joseph
Dear Fr. Joseph,
Do you see what happens here, I give you the courtesy of answering your question, even though I have already presented you with several one that remain unanswered.
Yet you still demand that I answer your questions, regardless of how much courtesy I give you.
Fine, take your answer, you will partially hate it, and partially not understand it. What good will it do you?
Your main concern – which is AUTHORITY, shows your worldly view of things. You’re concerned with WHO or what has Authority to do WHAT Fr. Joseph? Are you, or the Roman “Church” looking for world domination, Fr. Joseph?
Why else be so obsessed with who has authority?
Authority to change doctrine is given to NO ONE Fr. Joseph. The role of the Christian is to uphold the faith as it was passed on to them by Holy Tradition. So Authority on that respect is almost irrelevant.
Authority to perform Holy Mysteries, was given to the Apostles and passed on since, by Jesus Christ Himself.
Authority to assert doctrine which is supported Holy Tradition is done by council, Fr. Joseph, after much deliberation, analysis, fasting and prayer; and Authority as such does not come into it, not in your “Church’s” worldly, materialistic cause-effect type of view anyway.
Authority is only a primary issue for the Romans, who are looking to justify their actions on non sensible principles such as blind obedience to authority. And as if you did not know, THAT is the reason why the Pope instated himself as the “master of the universe” and “infallible”.
What other authority are you so concerned about Fr. Joseph? What are you looking to “authorize”?
And don’t get me wrong, there is an official answer to your question, but I refute even your question out right, because it has unacceptable connotations and possible outcomes.
Authority comes from Jesus Christ, Fr. Joseph. All Orthodox Christians are taught to consider themselves unworthy for ANYTHING except the MERCY of God, Fr. Joseph, and you are looking for Authority?
On what grounds, Fr. Joseph? Do you consider your self or your Pope to be worthy of such Authority? Have you forgotten that we are only human?
When Orthodox Priests do the Holy Mysteries, Fr. Joseph, they NEVER utter the words “…authority vested in me…”. Plainly put, God is always asked if He would PLEASE perform the mysteries for us unworthy humans, Fr. Joseph.
Of what authority are you talking about, I’ll ask again, authority to do WHAT EXACTLY?
And knowing where the “RCC” comes from, I personally think that you deserve no more answer than the above, on the matter of Authority.
Or as someone put it:
“If you have to ask, then you are NOT ready to know!!!”
Stav
Stav,
I have the Lord right here with me at my hermitage.
He stays here with me granting me His support and consolations in the Blessed Sacrament contained in a modest chapel monstrance.
I am particularly grateful to His Divine Father Who blesses me with a Special Grace that buoys my sagging and fatigued spirit when I go to sleep at night.
And the smiling cherub loving gaze of the Divino Nino makes all of the day’s “aches and pains” simply dissolve into a wonderful forgetfulness.
The Mother of God, the Most Holy Theotokos, DID appear to me during a Marian Movement of Priest’s Rosary Prayer Cenacle years ago crying the words ‘Defend the Church!’ to me.
From time to time, I obtain letters of personal encouragement and instruction from THE LORD Who relays what He desires to tell me ‘in private’ via my Metropolitan.
The LORD did tell me way back when ‘Some Will Listen – Many Will Not’.
And I’ve been before the Throne of God our Father in Heaven PLEADING with Him to grant us much more Time and Grace with which TO WIN this battle vs. Satan.
St. Michael the Archangel graced me with a visit here at my hermitage. I was SO GOOD to have him visit me as I felt so terribly ‘alone’ and ‘all by myself’ in these endevours of mine.
What else do you want me to tell you? How the Mother of God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Most Holy Theotokos showed me a ‘very special prayer technique’ in order to get through to the Father of us all?
I can do that.
I mean, WHAT ELSE can I possibly do for your or show you or have you watch or read in order to get you to UNDERSTAND that we are NOT going to win the battle vs. Satan UNLESS we get ‘The Woman’ of Genesis 3:15, who is the Ark of the Covenant, in front of and in FULL VIEW of every last person in this world of ours.
And that ‘FULL VIEW’ will be the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her Immaculately Loving Heart per her 1917 A.D. Fatima Apparitions INSTRUCTIONS!
– Fr. Joseph
Oh dear Fr. Joseph!
And I thought we may have finally gotten somewhere…
Maybe, what you are asked to do, Fr. Joseph, was to defend the Church, the true, Original Church, who am I to deny your own personal experience. (I hope you tested the spirits, I am serious, I mean it!)
It would be good if we had one like you, dedicated to defending the true Church, your dedication would be valuable.
Just let me believe at least, that where you belong to right now, is not the true Church. Feel free to consider me a fool then, if sense will not get through to you, but at least grant me the freedom in your mind and in yourself, to disagree with you.
I mean it when I say, that I do not find fault in your intentions and I mean you personally. It’s elsewhere where I find fault, and I think you know what I mean.
Let’s agree to disagree tonight again Fr. Joseph, may Christ our Lord be with you!
I still believe that there’s hope for you yet. God has always several “aces” in his pocket, I can think of one now! That’s not to say that I need no hope, I also need it too, nothing is secured until this life is over Fr. Joseph!
Right, it’s 3:41am here, time for some rest!
When Jesus Christ was asked by His apostles whether they should stop someone from casting out demons in His name, even though he was not following Him, His answer was:
Mark 9:39-41
39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
I sincerely hope you are one of those, that you get your promised reward!
Let’s unite then, at least under that premise and against what Br. Nathanael presents on this site. It is clear that the rest of the issues will not be cleared by arguing.
Of course this does not mean that I have agreed with you on the multitudes of points which I have stated so many times, but we can agree to fight the same enemy, right?
Stav
Stav,
And I’ll have you know some other VITAL things as well.
It was THE LORD Who summarily united me ‘in spirit’ TO His One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
It was THE LORD Who summoned me to join the Carmelites.
It was THE LORD Who granted me a Vision of His Holy Face.
It was THE LORD Who united His Sacred Heart with my heart.
It was THE LORD Who allowed me to hear His Voice.
It was THE LORD Who saved me from the ripping claws of Satan by infilling me with what the theologians call His ‘Divine Substance’ AS Satan belched/vomited the fires of hell at my top of my head in trying to destroy me.
So my ‘loyalty’, my spiritual ‘fidelity’ and my personal spiritual ‘service’ to Him is to and FOR His Catholic Church.
The Church is here on earth TO SMASH the gates of hell, to FREE the spiritually enslaved, to bring God’s Own PEACE throughout this World – so that ALL OF MANKIND might come to know the Ineffable Divine Love of THEIR FATHER IN HEAVEN for them all.
It’s all a matter of ‘SPIRITUAL HONOR’ to our God, Creator and FATHER in Heaven that we do everything in our powers to bring about the CRUSHING of Satan’s head – and his satanic DEFEAT.
The holder of ‘The Keys’ need only INSERT those DIVINE KEYS entrusted to him into this confounded LOCK which is holding back the Angelic Armies of Heaven in making THEIR ‘BREACH’ into our World – just as Satan used RUSSIA to bring about his demonic ‘breach’ into our World – and the holder of ‘The Keys’ can unleash unimaginable Spiritual Powers of our God, Creator and FATHER’S Heaven into, onto and all across of this World of ours.
And by doing so, all of the malicious, evil and satanic constructs currently RUINING our Human Race and our Human Civilization would be CRUSHED.
And many countless millions upon millions of souls would be SAVED from the eternal fires of Hell and from eternal spiritual slavery to Satan.
And THE CHURCH and her holder of ‘The Keys’ can then SHUT/SEAL the Gates of Hell with all of the elementlal demonics forever prevented from VEXING and DESTROYING millions upon millions of our fellow members of OUR Human Race.
And then – ALL OF US – can begin to build and live our lives with the talents and abilities that ARE ours so as to build a World in which NO ONE NEED to ever curse or swear or become disgusted-depressed with having this ‘Gift of Life’ granted to us all by an All-good God, Creator and FATHER in Heaven.
And TEARS well up in my eyes on account of the holder of ‘The Keys’ NOT USING those Keys to bring about the CRUSHING of Satan’s head.
So we are here at these CROSSROADS to where our Human Race will go and what will happen to it.
Satan may unleash his thermonuclear Third World War.
God may rain down fire from His Heavens to burn up this planet earth and all of Mankind as per Our Lady of Akita’s Warning.
Or maybe, just maybe, the holder of ‘The Keys’ will be able TO GET the support of the Bishops of the Church Militant here on earth and DO what the Mother of God TOLD THEM TO DO in order TO CRUSH Satan’s head.
And so I here I ‘stand’ – fully intent on ‘holding my ground’ and ‘holding at all costs’ UNTIL something “gives”.
– Fr. Joseph
“Or maybe, just maybe”…..people will take responsibility for their own actions.
At the last judgement Fr Joseph, people will not be able to plead it was the Pope’s fault.
At the last judgement each individual must make an account of his own words and actions.
At the last judgement the soul will see himself as God sees him.
“Even so shall it be at the consumation of the world. the angels shall go forth and shall separate the wicked from amidst the just and shall cast them into the furnace of fire….” Matthew 13: 49-50.
“And He shall separate men one from another, as the shepherd doth separate the sheep from the goats, and he shall place the sheep on his right hand and the goats on his left…….and these shall depart unto everlasting punishment, but the just unto everlasting life.” Matthew 25: 33-46.
“…and they saw as it were the earth opened and they saw hell, where the souls of poor sinners go…” the Fatima apparitions.
I agree with you, Stav (Feb 10, 2010) the differences between the Church (that would be the Roman Catholic Church) and the Orthodox schismatic bodies are “primarily doctrinal”.
Unlike the Orthodox, the Catholic Church has not schismed or diverged from the following Patristic or Conciliar doctrines
Let us start with the Council of Chalcedon which doctrines you deny.
“You [Pope Leo] are set as an interpreter to all of the voice of blessed Peter and to all you impart the blessings of that faith”
Chalcedon to Pope Leo Ep 98
“…him [referring to Pope Leo] who had been charged with the custody of the vine by the Saviour. We refer to your holiness”
Chalcedon to Pope Leo Ep 98
“as we have yielded to the Head in noble things”
Chalcedon to Pope Leo Ep 98
On the subject of Canon 28 of Chalcedon. “…the whole force of confirmation of the acts [of the Council of Chalcedon] was reserved for the authority of your Blessedness” Anatolius of Constantinople to Pope Leo Ep 132
And here is the statement of authority of the Petrine Office by Pope Leo “for whom the whole force of the acts of Chalcedon was reserved”:
“Now the Lord desired that the dispensing of this gift should be shared as a task by all the Apostles, but in such a way that He put the principle charge on the most Bl Peter, the highest of all the Apostles. He [the Lord] wanted His gifts to flow into the entire Body from Peter himself, as it were from the Head. Thus a man who dared to separate himself from the solidity of Peter [aka ‘the Rock’] would realize that he no longer shared in the Divine mystery.” Pope Leo Ep 10
“Wherefore the most holy and Bl Leo, archbishop of the great and elder Rome, through us and through this present most holy synod together with the thrice blessed and all glorious Peter the Apostle, who is the Rock and foundation of the Catholic Church and the foundation of the orthodox faith.” Council of Chalcedon. Session III. A.D. 451.
Prior to this the Council of Ephesus A.D 431, the statement from the Holy See read by Phillip, the official legate to the Council. “There is no doubt…that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, pillar of faith and foundation of the Catholic Church received the Keys of the Kingdom from our Lord Jesus Christ, the Saviour and Redeemer of the human race, and that to him was given the power of loosing and binding sins: our holy and most blessed Pope Celestine, the bishop is according to due order his successor and holds his place.” Session III.
According to Chalcedon, the Successor of Peter is the interpreter of the voice of Peter. He is the Head of the bishops. He is the possessor of the Keys. He is the Custodian of the Vine. And the Council reserves the whole force of the confirmation of its Acts for the Pope’s authority – this means jurisdiction.
The doctrines ex cathedra of the Holy See are regarded as “divinely inspired”
“…having read your true confession in the letter sent by your fatherly beatitude to the most pious emperor, and we acknowledge that this letter was divinely written as by the chief of the apostles, and through it we have cast out the heretical sect of many errors which had recently sprung up” Council of Constantinople III to Pope Agatho A.D. 680.
These doctrines summarize and formalize the teachings of the Fathers of the Church both East and West.
“…we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings…by indicating that Tradition derived from the apostles which is the very ancient, universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles Peter and Paul. It is a matter of necessity that every church should agree with this Church, on account of its pre-imminent authority.” Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyon. Against Heresies. 3:3:2 A.D. 180
“If a man deserts the Chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built has he still confidence that he is in the Church?”
St Cyprian of Carthage. The Unity of the Catholic Church. 4-5 circa A.D. 251-256.
“Seest thou that of the disciples of Christ, all of whom were exalted and deserving of choice, one is called rock and is entrusted with the foundations of the Church.” St Gregory of Nazianzen. Oratio 32:18
A.D. 380
“and esteem it [Rome] blessed on this account that both in his lifetime he [Peter] wrote to them and loved them so, and talked with them whiles he was with us and brought his life to a close there.”
St John Chrysostom, bishop of Constantinople. Epistle to the Romans. Homily 32. circa A.D. 391.
“…this Peter, and when I say Peter, I mean that unbroken Rock, the unshaken foundation, the great Apostle, the first of the disciples, the first called, the first to obey.” St John Chrysostom. Bishop of Constantinople. De Eleemosyna. 3:4 A.D. 407
“The Son granted to Peter over all the earth a power which is that of the Father and of the Son himself and gave a mere mortal man authority over all that is in heaven, in giving to him the Keys.” St John Chrysostom. Bishop of Constaninople. A.D. 398.
“The memory of Peter who is the head of the apostles … he is the firm and most solid rock on which the Saviour built his Church”.
St Gregory of Nysssa. Panegyric on St Stephen. 3. A.D. 394.
“…from the coming down of the Incarnate Word among us, all the churchs in every part of the world have possessed that greatest Church alone as their base and foundation, seeing that, according to the promise of Christ our Saviour, the gates of hell do never prevail against it, that it possesses the Keys of right confession [note orthodoxy] and faith in Him, that it opens the true and only religion to such as approach with piety and shuts up and locks every heretical mouth that speaks injustice against the Most High.” Maximos the Confessor. Opuscula Theologica. et polemica A.D. 650.
“If a man deserts the Chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, has he still confidence that he is in the Church?”
St Cyprian of Carthage. The Unity of the Catholic Church. 1st Ed 4-5. (circa A.D. 251-256)
None of the Roman Catholics based in Sacred Tradition who are writing here are in schism from any of these doctrines concerning the Petrine Office.
Dear Charlie,
You are ABSOLUTELY, UNDENIABLY AND ‘INFALLIBLY’ CORRECT!
Each and every last person MUST, HAS TO, IS CALLED TO take and to have ‘responsibility’ for his or her own actions!
In being created in the Image and Likeness of God, we ALL have a ‘Free Will’. No one, absolutely NO ONE ever ‘forced’ or ‘coerced’ GOD HIMSELF into making His Choice TO CREATE all that is seen and Unseen.
And ALL OF US are our own relentlessly professing ‘witnesses’ that we, ourselves, DID NOT bring ourselves into existance NOR did we grant ourselves ‘life’ and ‘being’!
So ALL OF US have the One, Same and Common ‘Creator’ Who decided on His Own to create ALL OF US in His Image and Likeness.
And THAT entails our own personal and totally unique ‘Free Will’ which ALLOWS US, which grants us this Ineffable LIBERTY to “respond” in an entirely unique and totally personal way towards all manner of created thing in this seen ‘All’ of His Making, but to He Himself!
The ‘Ability To Respond’ to all manner of thing both ‘outside of ourselves’ as well as ‘inside of ourselves’ is on account of our FREE WILL – and with this FREE WILL and our ‘Ability To Respond’, each and every last one of us are personally moral ‘Free Agents’ with the Universal Human Living Life Task and Vocation of ‘Being RESPONSIBLE’!
In order to get people the world over to personally RECOGNIZE as well as TO ACCEPT that they – as an INDIVIDUAL – have this ‘Ability To Respond’ which MAKES THEM ‘Response-able’ or ‘Responsible’, God’s Seen Creation has as its universal operating principle the principle of ‘Cause and Effect’.
We LEARN that we are created to be RESPONSE-ABLE and that we HAVE ‘responsibility’ from the very early days of our lives.
We do something STUPID (like stick our fingers into the electrical receptacles mounted at the baseboards of a room) and we LEARN that there is ‘Cause and Effect’ and that did something STUPID and that we ought NOT do that again – but we have to make that DECISION, that CHOICE, because our Free Will allows us ability to, ONCE AGAIN, stick our fingers in the electrially live wall receptacle!
Now then, there is what is called ‘Actual Divine Grace’ and ‘Sanctifying Divine Grace’, these SPIRITUAL HELPS/ASSISTANCE we can obtain from and received from God the Holy Spirit Who hovered over the primordial chaos of no-thing-ness and brought all into Existance and gave it its Divine ORDER.
It is my conviction that God our Father in Heaven is STILL WILLING to grant six billion human beings the Actual and Sanctifying Divine Graces of His Holy Spirit in order to bring DIVINE ORDER back to this seen creation in which we all move, live and have our being.
Sacred Scripture DOES have it:
“Do not court DEATH by the errors of your ways, NOR INVITE DESTRUCTION through your ow actions. Death was NOT God’s Doing; He takes NO DELIGHT IN THE EXTINCTION OF THE LIVING.” – Wisdom 1:12-13
– Fr. Joseph
Dear Lynda,
THANK YOU! for elaborating from ‘Holy Tradition’ that there ARE a ‘Set of KEYS’ entrusted to a human individual in and of the UNIVERSAL CHURCH – and that this is a Divine ‘Generation-to-Generation’ GIFT God has made to all of Mankind just as the EUCHARIST is a Divine ‘Generation-to-Generation’ GIFT God has made to all of Mankind as well.
I mean to say – you take ANY KIND or ANY SORT of purely human established/erected or formed ‘organization’ – and we don’t even BLINK AN EYE to the fact that somebody is appointed ‘The Leader’!
We have CRIMINAL GANGS of all sorts running about within ALL of the nations of our World – any every last one of these CRIMINAL GANGS has an acknowledged ‘Leader’.
Every last one of the political nations of our World has what it calls its ‘Leader’.
And every last one of the human organizations, associations, corporations, institutions, agencies, departments, etc. WITHIN these purely political nation-states of our World has it own ‘Leader’!
Who ever came up with this ‘idea’ that God’s Own CHURCH here on earth does NOT have a recognized LEADER??? WHO??
‘The Keys’ of a family’s house, a family’s car, a family’s treasure chest are NOT ENTRUSTED TO the leaders of Criminal Gangs!
Any one of us from ANY background or walk-in-life MIGHT ‘entrust THE KEYS of our cars’ to a very good friend, a loved one, a fellow family member or even a close relative – and we all DO SO on account of the TRUST we personally place, convey, impart ONTO that other individual!
Who are these people in our contemporary World who will DENY that Christ Jesus was NOT WILLING ‘TO TRUST’ His Own Apostles – and that to one particular Apostle, He went so far as to even TRUST HIM WITH ‘THE KEYS’ of His Kingdom!
There have been those times in my own life I found myself ‘falling IN LOVE’ with a woman – and I trusted those women in my life with what was my very own – it is the MOST NATURAL THING TO DO when you LOVE someone else – LOVE of another BEGETS TRUST of another.
– Fr. Joseph
Dear Stav,
And just to make darn sure you don’t feel bad – and to make darn sure that you aren’t dealing with a ‘Papist Council Conspiracy’ here on account of Charlie’s, Lynda’s and my consecutive postings, I most solemnly assure you that these postings occurred all independently and spontaneously.
Stav, let’s admit the truth of the matter regarding our current-contemporary World. Let’s NOT beat-around-the-bush.
I believe Charlie is from the United Kingdom. And the UK’s government’s officials are dripping with lies, deceit and corruption.
I don’t know where Lynda hails from, but I’m here in the United States of America. My US government’s officials are likewise dripping with lies, deceit and corruption.
And with YOU being from Greece, com’on, com’on, just admit it, the governmental officials of Greece are also dripping with lies, deceit and corruption.
Ditto goes from the Zionist State of Israel.
And there are ‘gobs-and-gobs’ of officials and authorities from EVERY LAST NATION on planet earth nowadays are dripping with lies, deceit and corruption.
And it is St. Paul the Apostle who happens to state the following;
“THE STATE is there TO SERVE GOD for YOUR BENEFIT.” – Romans 13:4
So the “$62,000 Question” here for us to attempt to answer is this;
“How do we SAVE all of these lying, deceitful, corrupt STATE OFFICIALS from every last nation in our World from winding up being CHARCOAL BIRQUETS in Satan’s “WEBER” a lit and on fire FOREVER in the Pit of Hell?”
I’d like to be able TO SAVE all of the US Federal Government’s Executive, Legislative and Judical official and authorities as well as ALL of the CIA and FBI and DOD officials and ALL of the 50 State’s Governments’ officials from ETERNAL TORMENT in HELL.
Ditto goes for all of the RUSSIANS, all of the CHINESE, all of the BRITS, all of the rest of the nations of our World.
But ‘Where? O Where?’ am I going to get the Incredible Amounts of Divine Grace in the forms of Actual and Sanctifying Divine Grace by which TO DO THAT?
I’m lucky to just get up out of my bed the next day with enough physical strenght to get me through the next day’s “Daily Grind”.
So, in order to get THE STATES of our World SERVING GOD so that the entire Human Race BENEFITS, we simply have to take ‘The Yellow Brick Road’ and we have to go see ‘The Wizard of Oz’.
The CHANNEL by which ALL DIVINE GRACES have been poured forth INTO our World and ONTO our Human Race was, is and forever will be ‘THE WOMAN’ of Genesis 3:15!
If the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, the Most Holy Theotokos was able to say and chose to say ‘NO WAY!’ to the Archangel Garbiel about 2,000 years ago – you think about it – you tell me where would be our entire HUMAN RACE’s HOPES to receive and acquire our All-god God, Creator and Father’s DIVINE BLESSINGS and His DIVINE SALVATION-REDEMPTION??
Hence, the holder of ‘THE KEYS’ has to COOPERATE with ‘The Divine Channel’ who is the Blessed Virgin Mary, THE WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 – and the holder of ‘The Keys’ and those in spiritual union with him and THEIR combined spiritual union and unity WITH ‘The Woman’ of Genesis 3:15 – have TO DO what THE WOMAN told them to do via her 1917 A.D. Fatima Portugal Apparitions and Instructions.
– Fr. Joseph
Dear Lynda,
Why on earth not start from the the first council? You wanna do it right? Then start from the beginning. No other method would get you anywhere. Just some simple logical advise for you.
Your claims are absurd. There is historical and logical proof that the Romans introduced new doctrine and denied original doctrine. To claim otherwise is just plain ignorant.
Forget it, you are not ready yet,
Stav
Fr. Joseph,
You are right, let’s not beat around the truth.
So I suggest, you rewrite your last two posts to reflect that.
Stav
Dear Lynda,
I spent several years in the UK, attending my local Orthodox community.
The Church building used by the community just so happened to be a more than a 1000 year old pre-schismatic building, which after many years was restored to it’s original status.
Guess what? It’s arrangement, use and characteristics where proven by historical and archeological research (forced on the community by the British Heritage organization which oversees the restoration of ancient and old buildings) to MATCH the Orthodox Practices and arrangement.
It did NOT match the Roman “Church” practices, arrangement and characteristics.
Do you know why? It s simple, it is because at the time of its initial operation, there was only Orthodoxy. And it proves beyond any doubt, that it was the Romans who diverted, in all of these points, and thus by definition, it is the Romans who are Schismatics, and the ones who diverted.
And that is obviously not the only example of this. Why don’t you look into this a bit more before you claim any more unsupported claims. At some point, I’ll prepare a list of things that the Romans slowly or quickly diverted from, to make it clearer for you. But, you see, logically, it would only take one of those examples for anyone sensible to retract comments such as the ones you just made. And I have provided you this, and you did do no such thing. Thus I say you are not ready for the truth yet.
What concrete Historical, doctrinal or otherwise information makes you think it happened otherwise?
It is clear to me, that you really don’t know what you are saying, you merely are trying to support the unsupportable.
Stav
And Fr. Joseph,
You must realize that even saying:
“If the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, the Most Holy Theotokos was able to say and chose to say ‘NO WAY!’ to the Archangel Gabriel about 2,000 years ago…”
Is actually blasphemy… You have just equated the Mother of God to an inanimate rock or animal, with your false statement.
Why do you ignore irrefutable proof that it is heresy to say this? I mean, did you even consider what was said on the matter by others and me?
What is the point of continuing this, with you I mean, when you don’t even listen, stop and consider for a second?
The Mother of God was born Free, She was no automaton, no robot, She was human like us, with ALL the bells and whistles, including full, unconditional Freedom. Otherwise, NOTHING that She ever did has value. Don’t you see this plain truth?
If the Mother of God was made to be just a passive vessel with NO will, as one can logically deduct by what you say, without will or freedom, then:
1) WHY did God even use Her, and
2) WHY OH WHY, do you put ANY honor on her whatsoever?
After all to you, She is but a robot, following a preprogrammed and planned destiny. So are you honoring a robot then, Fr. Joseph?
Really, Fr. Joseph, what is it exactly that makes Her special to you, than any other inanimate object or soulless animal, since you believe She had NO FREE WILL?
If that’s the case, why did She have to be a Human being? If that’s the case, why did God use such a medium to come to earth? Why did He then not just appear out of thin air? Or do you think that this is impossible to Him?
Can’t you see that your immaculate conception of Mary concept just plainly makes NO SENSE at all?
We honor Her, Fr. Joseph, because we know what She did, we know the struggle She must have gone through to be so Clean and so Pure so as to attract the Highest and Infinite honor to bear the Son of God completely by agreeing with her Free will.
In other words Fr. Joseph,
Since you do not believe that She did struggle, nor that She made any particular decisions, nor had to struggle to attain anything in particular, because as you yourself put it, “was not able (by nature I assume) to say NO”, then WHAT exact honor do you attribute to Her? What is it that She accomplished on her own, to give Her any value, if you accept that She did have no choice anyway?
It’s funny (Not really, it is tragic), you even bother to say:
“… – you think about it – you tell me…”
Yes, Fr. Joseph, I have thought about it, and the more I do, the more awestruck I feel at the level of doctrinal desolation this kind of Roman Papist thinking has brought into the world.
The saddest thing is, that I am 100% sure that you will NEVER respond to this, with a real argument or valuable insight. I am not even sure that you either actually read consciously and understand what I am saying.
I really don’t understand what makes you ignore the most plainly put thing, ready and analyzed, right in front of you.
Stav
Dear Fr. Joseph,
And the tragic outcome of all of this, is that you then have to resort to attributing the Mother of God with superhuman properties, with properties that are more akin to a pagan Goddess, that somehow and inexplicably exists, with no reason and no true value.
And you have to resort to making Her an in principle “Goddess” in order to maintain a false level of respect for Her. Because once you have made her a “Remote Controlled” and non Free vessel only, you cannot find any real and justifiable reason to honor Her. So your religious community has no choice but to resort/revert back to pagan methods of adding value to deities which is a shock and awe type of thing, subjective and without logic.
You see, that by asserting your abominable immaculate conception Mary principle, you DID change Her from the ALL HOLY, to another ISIS the pagan Goddess that your fellow Jesuits worship in secret.
And that’s important Fr. Joseph, does that not puzzle together very nicely? Can you see now where some of these abominable new doctrines come from. You satanic acquaintances, some of the Jesuits, are laughing at the rest of the Roman community, because by overtly introducing a few nice little changes to doctrine, they changed the Mother of God, to a representation of a pagan ISIS like deity and have reduced God the Trinity to something that really is too blasphemous to even mention.
That’s no good Fr. Joseph, it’s not right, and the perpetuation of such heresies, only produces slanderous misrepresentation of Christ and His Church.
On the other hand, Fr. Joseph, the OC has no such issues, we see Her for what She is, and we honor Her for that.
And while obviously Masonry has infiltrated everywhere, we in the OC, do not rely on a single person to introduce doctrine, and thus, no such alterations as the one described to you above, has taken place. Open your eyes Fr. Joseph. The matters of the Jesuits and their predecessors and how your doctrines have evolved are not unrelated issues, but I would suspect it is the core of your communities’ problems today.
Stav
Greetings in the Lord Jesus, Stav –
More historical truth around what you discovered concerning the Orthodox Church in England prior to the Papally sanctioned Norman Conquest of 1066.
Under the Romans, there was a considerable ancient Celtic and Romano-Celtic tribal confederated “empire” running in a belt from Britain through Gaul into the Balkans and Asia Minor. All had long affiliations with Greeks and the Sea Greeks, as well as contacts with Egypt. Very early 1st century Apostolic labors were conducted there, very strong ties because of SS. Constantine and Helena, and the “Culdee Church” was certainly modeled on the Eastern Thebaid.
St. John Maximovich Bishop of Shanghai and San Francisco (+1966), who served as a priest and later a bishop all over the world in the diaspora of the Exile Church promoted the idea of the veneration of the local Western Orthodox saints, some who had fallen into obscurity because of the Reformation and even being decanonized by Rome, and since then a great deal of ongoing scholarship has gone into restoring their lives as clearly as possible.
Germans and Scandinavians who invaded Britain in the late Roman period, and became Christian through the efforts of Celtic missionaries like St. Aidan in the North and Roman missionaries like St. Austin in the South.
The Greek St. Theodore of Tarsus organised and regularised Anglo-Saxon ecclesial life in the VII Century. The resulting English Orthodox Church ceased to exist in 1066, when William the Conqueror’s Normans imposed the new continental theology which eventually became Roman Catholicism. Many Anglo-Saxons wealthy enough to escape ended up in Constantinople or Kiev.
St. Theodore of Tarsus, Archbishop of Canterbury
VII Century
Born in Cilicia, Theodore (c. 602-690) was educated both in his native land and in Greece before entering a Greek monastery in Italy. Vitalian consecrated him Archbishop of Canterbury in 668, and accompanied by his friend Adrian and Benedict Biscop,
Theodore traveled to England to administer his see. Adrian became the abbot of Sts. Peter and Paul in Canterbury, and the two friends established a school in the city at which students took classes in Greek and Latin, as well as in music and mathematics. The school also taught Biblical exegesis in the Antiochene style. Theodore, who is responsible for the elevation of the diocese of Canterbury to an archiepiscopal see, is credited with organizing the English church and unifying liturgical practices within his metropolitanate.
He settled a quarrel between Sts. Chad and Wilfred over the see of York by dividing it; in addition, he mediated a dispute between Æthelred of Mercia and Ecgfrith of Northumbria. He convened synods at Hertfordshire, Hatfield, and Clovesho and established the convoking of yearly diocesan councils. He also visited parishes in his diocese and fostered cooperation between church and state. Bede praises his labors in the church. No written work remains: a popular penitential attributed to Theodore is no longer thought to be his.
http://www.macclesfield.antiochian.org.uk/theodore.htm
Also see: The Fall of Orthodox England by Vladimir Moss (One of the few histories written from an Orthodox point of view. Outstanding research and well documented):
http://www.romanitas.ru/eng/THE%20FALL%20OF%20ORTHODOX%20ENGLAND%205X8.htm
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This odd little story:
Orthodoxy is alive and well, or what happens when an innovator tries to change the doctrine and practice of the Church…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/1443705/Same-sex-marriage-chapel-demolished.html
Published: Oct 2003
The Russian Orthodox Church has demolished a chapel where a priest conducted a marriage ceremony between two men.
The Chapel of the Vladimir Icon of the Mother of God was apparently knocked down [with bulldozers and then burnt] after local churchmen decided it had been defiled.
The “marriage” of Denis Gogolyev and Mikhail Morozev in Nizhny Novgorod scandalised the Orthodox Church and created outrage among ordinary Russians. The priest, Fr Vladimir Enert, was unfrocked after the men said they paid him a £300 bribe to ignore a ban on same-sex marriages.
A spokesman for the Orthodox Church said the chapel had to go as it had been desecrated. Some local officials said it was due for demolition to make way for new, larger church, although this would not open until 2005.
A spokesman for the Nizhny Novgorod Patriarchate told The Telegraph: “The chapel was dismantled because it is no longer needed.” But he admitted that the “marriage” may have “sped up the process”.
What KathJuliane is calling “the papally sanctioned Norman Conquest” was the legimate heir of King Edward the Confessor, William – publicly named the heir of King Edward – who landed in force to claim his inheritance.
Why would William be the heir of King Edward? Because his brother was murdered by the feuding royal family.
At that time England was a Catholic nation under the law of the King.
Dear Stav,
The claims that I posted are not ‘my claims’. They are the claims of the Fathers and the Council of Chalcedon.
I believe these claims. You, obviously, do not.
Your problem is with doctors and saints of the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Please take up your beef with Sts Cyprian, Maximos the Confessor, Pope St Leo the Great, St Gregory of Nyssa etc.
Extra Ecclesiam Null Salus.
Lynda,
Fr. Joseph and yourself pretend to be in agreement in order to ‘gang-up’ on Stav, but in reality YOU have already previously stated that the CURRENT bishop of Rome is a usurper!
Fr. Joseph sees Benedict as pope of Rome… I’m still waiting for you to tell us… WHO IN THE WORLD do you call the pope if it isn’t Benedict?? You say that “Peter’s chair has been overturned”! WHO then is your “custodian of the vine”?!?
And tell us – if the entirety of Christendom was under the ‘authority’ of the pope of Rome… Then WHY were there EVER *ANY* COUNCILS??
If the pope ALONE declares the faith – then ALL of the councils were completely un-neccessary! If the pope of Rome can override and nullify the canons agreed upon by the ENTIRE council – then the proceedings of the whole Chalcedonian council (and all of the councils before & after) were a big waste of time, travel and resources for all who attended!
All of the other bishops could have just stayed where they were – and simply waited for the pope of Rome to send them a letter of ‘papal decree’, telling them what Christianity is (since – according to you & Fr. Joseph – it is the pope ALONE who declares the doctrines of faith)!
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HERE is the Chalcedonian Creed (which says NOTHING of papal AUTHORITY over other bishops)…
The Confession of Chalcedon provides the following statement on the human and divine natures of Christ:
“Following the holy Fathers, we unanimously teach and confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ: the same perfect in divinity and perfect in humanity, the same truly God and truly man, composed of rational soul and body; consubstantial with the Father as to his divinity and consubstantial with us as to his humanity; “like us in all things but sin.”
He was begotten from the Father before all ages as to his divinity and in these last days, for us and for our salvation, was born as to his humanity of the virgin Mary, the Mother of God.
We confess that one and the same Christ, Lord, and only-begotten Son, is to be acknowledged in two natures without confusion, change, division, or separation. The distinction between natures was never abolished by their union, but rather the character proper to each of the two natures was preserved as they came together in one person (prosopon) and one hypostasis.”
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Canon 28 grants Constantinople equal privileges (isa presbeia) to Rome. The papal legates were NOT PRESENT for the vote on this canon and protested it afterward. The rule was also not ratified by Pope Leo I and is not recognized as canonical by the Roman Catholic Church. (Too bad it is the ENTIRE COUNCIL which declares the canons – NOT the pope of Rome!)
According to some ancient Greek collections, two additional canons are attributed to the council: canon 29, which states that an unworthy bishop cannot be demoted but can be removed, while canon 30 which grants the Egyptians time to consider their rejection of Leo’s Tome.
Eventually, with concerns growing that withholding Rome’s approval would be interpreted as a rejection of the entire council, in 453 Leo I confirmed the council’s canons, with a protest only against canon 28. (His protest however, did not – and DOES NOT nullify the canon arrived at BY THE COUNCIL!)
Canon 28 was in fact a resolution PASSED BY THE COUNCIL at the 16th session but rejected by the pope (ATTEMPTING AGAIN to overstep his authority).
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28: “Following in every way the decrees of the holy fathers and recognising the canon which has recently been read out – the canon of the *150* most devout BISHOPS (NOTE: more than one man) who assembled in the time of the great Theodosius of pious memory, then emperor, in imperial Constantinople, new Rome – we issue the same decree and resolution concerning the prerogatives of the most holy church of the same Constantinople, new Rome.
The fathers rightly accorded prerogatives to the see of older Rome, since that is an imperial city; and moved by the SAME purpose the *150* most devout BISHOPS apportioned equal prerogatives to the most holy see of NEW Rome, reasonably judging that the city which is honoured by the imperial power and senate and enjoying privileges equaling older imperial Rome, should also be elevated to her level in ecclesiastical affairs and take second place after her.
The metropolitans of the dioceses of Pontus, Asia and Thrace, but only these, as well as the bishops of these dioceses who work among non-Greeks, are to be ordained by the aforesaid most holy see of the most holy church in Constantinople.
That is, each metropolitan of the aforesaid dioceses along with the bishops of the province ordain the bishops of the province, as has been declared in the divine canons; but the metropolitans of the aforesaid dioceses, as has been said, are to be ordained by the archbishop of Constantinople, once agreement has been reached by vote in the usual way and has been reported to him.”
Again, Prodigal Son, I caution about twisting around declarative statements quoted from authoritive sources.
Again, you are weasel wording.
My point is not Canon 28 per se, but that in the mind of the Council of Chalecedon the canon must be submitted to Pope Leo for ratification. The inescapable conclusion is that the decisions of the Council do not stand without the authority of the Pope. The Pope, however, does speak ex cathedra without the authority of a Council as is evidenced in text I quoted.
The Magisterium of the Catholic Church is a living source of authority. It is not an ossified repetition of same old, same old. Doctrines do not change into something else. But doctrines of faith do undergo development as a seed undergoes germination, puts forth root and branch, leaf, flower and fruit. This living development is under the process of the Holy Spirit speaking to the Catholic Church and the Catholic Church speaking through the Petrine Office and / or through the unity of the Petrine Office with the bishops, councils and synods.
Because your concept of the faith is one of ossification, there will (of course) be no episcopal statements from the schismatic Orthodox bodies on the subject of Freemasonry and its declared intentions to subvert all Christian institutions.
All the schismatics who claim to be Orthodox in their faith have a huge issue with this and for what it may be worth – I point out again.
Again, Prodigal Son, the Catholic Church is an order. That order is a hierachy not a democracy. Within the hierarchy there is a monarchy and a college of bishops. The relationships between them is important for you to understand.
There have been many antipopes in the history of the Church. The fact that at present an antipope occupies the Roman See does not prove anything. The fact that Benedict is an antipope is only evident to those who know the ordinary, constant magisterium of the Church anyway.
Lynda, Lynda, Lynda,
I don’t know why I even bother!
According to the ‘Magisterium’ of the CURRENT papists – YOU have automatically EXCOMMUNICATED yourself because YOU disagree with the current bishop of Rome. This anathema was pronounced by the pope – not me!
You can’t have it both ways!
Either you adhere to the teachings of the ‘Roman pontiff’ – OR YOU DON’T…
You have professed here that YOU DON’T!
Therfore ALL of your OWN arguments apply to you first!
You don’t get to pick who the pope is! And you are a LIVING demonstration of why the Church cannot be entrusted to the whims of ONE MAN (the pope of Rome)!
Peter DID NOT ‘run’ the Church in the New Testament… and the pope of Rome DOES NOT ‘run’ the Church today!
The VERY first (apostolic) council in the New Testament clearly attests to that, as does the account of Paul rebuking Peter TO HIS FACE, and of Paul winning out – NOT Peter.
If what you’re saying were true – NEITHER one of those instances would have transpired as they did!
Peter would have presided INSTEAD of James, and Paul would NOT have even attempted to rebuke the Judaizing actions of Peter.
But James DID PRESIDE… and Peter recognized that Paul was right – and he was WRONG!
If Peter was the SOLE, ABSOLUTE authority… then male Christians would still need to be circumcised today.
This is NOT the case! So Peter was in the WRONG.
As I clearly stated (and which you clearly ignored) – that is the WHOLE reason there WERE councils – and not merely a series of ‘papal declarations’.
The very fact that there WERE councils proves your ‘papal’ assertions false. If you were correct (you’re not) then there would have never been any need for ANY councils…
The position of ‘first among EQUALS’ describes a position of HONOUR – NOT authority.
You are OUTSIDE of the Roman church AND the Orthodox Church… you are by definition a PROTESTANT – so I’ll tell you IN ENGLISH:
There is no salvation outside of His (and I DON’T mean the pope’s) Church.
Yes, Prodigal Son, as a schismatic Orthodox, why do you bother?
Your anathema sit means nothing and sits on your own head. For all the sqwauking you do on this messageboard, all I want to know is has it laid that egg yet?
Do you deny that the Roman Catholic Church officially recognizes about 40 antipopes? That is occupants of the Holy See which Holy Church recognizes were invalid and whose constitutions and acts were null, void and worthless.
The Roman Catholic Church condemns idolatry of apostolic works. They are invalid by the Roman Catholic Church’s own criteria. Of which you obviously know nothing.
For example, popes who were imposed upon the Roman Catholic Church when the emperor of Constaninople invaded and installed some heretic or other? How can such a one be the Successor of Peter when the true pope was carted off to imprisonment and death?
As a schismatic, you are totally incompetent to discern the legitimacy or otherwise (by the Roman Catholic Church’s own criteria) of the current occupant of the Vatican.
What you are competent to discern is the ecumenical kissy kissy of Benedict the rabbi with the Patriarch of Constantinople -who is probably a Mason. What do you schismatics who reject the Council of Chalcedon make of that? Quite a lip lock of the worshipful brethern I would say.
The Roman Catholic Church infallibly condemns as false the ecumenical project to bring all faiths and creeds into a one world religion. The fact that this Babylonian project is now being organized from the Vatican does not mean Holy Church is in error. It means that the See has been usurped.
Please read Mortalium Animos (Jan 6, 1928 given in Rome by Pope Pius XI ex cathedra) and correct your ignorance.
“Ecumenism is founded on that belief and hope that the nations, although they differ among themselves in certain religious matters will come to agree as brethern in professing certain doctrines which form, as it were, a common basis for the spiritual life.”
“Such attempts can nowise be approved by Catholics, founded as are such doctrines on the false opinion which considers all religions to be more or less good and praiseworthy. Not only are those who hold this opinion in error and deceived, but also in distorting the idea of true religion, they reject it, and little by little, turn aside to naturalism and atheism, as it is called.”
“From which it clearly follows that one who supports those who hold these theories and attempt to realise them is altogether abandoning the Divinely revealed religion.”
Pope Pius XI, Mortallium Animos, ex cathedra 6 January, 1928.
Benedict has manifestly, publicly and ceremoniously abandoned the Divinely revealed religion. This is his tragedy.
The schismatic bodies have no living magisterium and no criteria to bring to this grave question. Unless they listen to the magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church, they will wind up in the fatal embrace of the antipope.
And that would be a most suitable place for you. But such a prospect is not our Saviour’s will and gives no joy to the burning charity of His Sacred Heart.
Hi KathJuliane,
Great info as always and very interesting.
Dear Lynda,
You say:
“What KathJuliane is calling “the papally sanctioned Norman Conquest” was the legimate heir of King Edward the Confessor, William – publicly named the heir of King Edward – who landed in force to claim his inheritance.”
Oh come on Lynda, that is not the first or the last Papally sponsored KILLING of people, why are you defending the indefensible? Are you going to claim that your “Holy” Pope never ordered the KILLING of people, including fellow Christians? If you are, well what can I say it’s just delusional.
And please stop using the word schismatic, to characterize the Orthodox, you obviously have no idea what the word means and how it is to be applied.
If you can, then give me a list of things that were practiced in Centuries 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 that the RCC STILL practices unaltered. Give me a few, so that I can see how “unaltered” you claim to be. But you are not are you?
So then,
1) Why are your priests shaved Lynda? Are you saying that the RCC is not SCHISMATIC it self by changing this?
2) Why are all your priests forced to be celibate? So why did you change this rule, YOU were the one to change, NOT the original church, that makes you by definition SCHISMATIC.
3) The filioque. Do you deny that it was the RCC that added this, to a previously agreed to be perfect Creed? If you do not, then WHOEVER added to the original is by definition SCHISMATIC. It is not the original branch that is called schismatic Lynda, it is the one that broke off. And that is the RCC. Period.
4) Why did you express new doctrine, such as purgatory, immaculate conception, etc. etc. WHEN these were NEVER heard before in the Church? Forget why, the fact of the matter is, THESE ACTIONS make you SCHISMATIC by definition.
Stav
Your skill at ignoring all of my previous post is nothing short of amazing.
Congratulations on posting the longest response which ignores everything I said, and is little more than one long ad hominem diatribe.
At least I try! You’re just… STUCK.
Best of luck to you with everything.
Prodigal Son, Stav,
Individual Christians baptized into Christ Jesus and His Church here on earth all have DIFFERENT gifts, talents, abilities and GRACES granted to them so as TO EFFECT the Supreme Divine Will of God our Father in Heaven Himself – and that SUPREME Divine Will is the ETERNAL SALVATION OF SOULS.
With respect to your comments to me about Lynda, she is much more QUALIFIED to relay to the two of you ALL that she is attempting to convey to you with her posts here on RZN than I am. She’s done her “homework” and KNOWS what she is talking about.
As for MY part, it was THE LORD Who called me to become ordained as a Priest in the Church’s Monastic Brotherhood. With THAT ordination, I offer up ALL of private votive Masses for but ONE and ONLY ONE repetitive intention – that for “The Universal Church” of which HE, Christ Jesus, is KING and LORD.
My “other” talents and abilities consist of those things regarding aircrafts’ operation and maintenance, my former MILITARY service in the United States Air Force and my studies towards a Ph.D. in International Business.
Hence, I repeatedly attempt TO INFORM YOU that the Illumanists/Satanists use the ‘Power To Pull Money Out Of Thin Air’ to CORRUPT, to CONTROL and to DIRECT these Global-International Tensions, Dramas, Conspiracies and WORLD WARS, and I’ve provided all of you with the information regarding the ‘Control Of The Money Supply To Control the Minds, Hearts, Souls and Spirits Of Six Billion Human Beings’ here on this God-given planet earth of His Making. Here is but ONE of those websites:
http://michaeljournal.org
As a former MILITARY man in the United States Air Force, I simply have to REMIND YOU that there are thousands and thousands of TACTICAL as well as STRATEGIC nuclear warheads capable of killing off millions upon millions of people in but a scant period of MINUTES. There are such things as ICBMS with mutliple reentry vehicles which make a SINGLE ICBM capable of delivering up to TEN nuclear warheads on target.
The 200 S-19 “Satan” ICBMs with EIGHT thermonuclear warheads releases a salvo of 1,600 nuclear warheads.
If but TWO PERCENT of those warheads reach the United States of America, those 32 WARHEADS falling on the top 32 most populous cities of the USA results in an IMMEDIATE 50% reduction in the population of the United States of America.
– Fr. Joseph
Prodigal Son, Stav,
As a USDOT FAA Licensed aircraft and powerplant mechanic with 35 years of HANDS ON (and NOT in a nice office cubile with heating and airconditioning working on a PC keyboard while sipping coffee and flirting with all of the office secretaries) EXPERIENCE in maintaining both US military and US commerical airliner equipment, I’ve TOLD YOU and I’ve TOLD US OFFICIALS galore that 9-11-2001 was an JEWISH ‘Inside Job’ in order to get the entire USA to go SLAVISHLY fight the political Zionist State of Israel’s WARS OF AGGRESSION for it.
Now it was the BLESSED VIRGIN MARY who herself whispered into my ear the words ‘Do Whatever He Tells You’ just PRIOR to her getting me a ‘Mystical Audience’ with and before the BLESSED TRINITY – God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit – back in September 1993.
And let me tell ALL of you something – God the Father is SOOOOOOOO ANGRRRYYYYYYY that not a Saint, not an Angel in Heaven DARED to even utter a single sound.
God the Father FULLY INTENDS TO ‘BURN UP’ this planet earth of ours just as the Blessed Virgin Mary AS Our Lady of Akita, Japan told the Carmelite nun, Sr. Agnes back in October 13, 1973.
Now then, the Satanists-Illuminsts have HAD their century’s worth of time AND MORE with which to infiltrated and destroy as much of Christ Jesus’ Church here on earth as they could. And they’ve managed to get the vast majority of our fellow Human Beings all across this planet earth mired and submerged in any number and types of MORTAL SIN.
And with this Satanic-Illumnists UNLEASHING of a thermonuclear Third World War – I fear that the VAST MAJORITY of those so quickly killed off via nuclear blasts will wind up IN HELL FOREVER, poor souls!
– Fr. Joseph
Prodigal Son, Stav,
In order TO PREVENT this ‘Satanic Harvest of Human Souls En Masse’ from occuring, we have TO STOP this Satanic-Illuminist thermonuclear Third World War.
That means – we are in absolutely critical need of WORLD PEACE.
And in order to obtain this WORLD PEACE, it is absolutely critical for the ‘Holder of The Keys’ and THE BISHOPS in spiritual and moral unity with him TO DO what THE WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17 told them TO DO as Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal.
And THAT is a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her Immaculately Loving Heart.
If THAT IS DONE, then her Divine Son, the WORD through Whom all things were made Who is CHRIST THE KING of all that is seen and Unseen will see to it that SATAN’S HEAD IS CRUSHED!
Put A BULLET into the skull of ANY mere human being – and that human being IMMEDIATELY CEASES from doing any and all sorts of EVIL-VILE-VIOLENT-HOSTILE things to other human beings.
But one CANNOT put a physical-material BULLET into an elemental spirit and expect THAT to do any blasted good whatsoever. One CANNOT “kill” evil elemental demonic spirits with ‘material things’ – you KILL THEM with the Divine Spirit of God Who created them in the first place and granted them their elemental existance.
The WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 told her Son’s Church and all of Mankind
‘ONLY I CAN HELP YOU!’
as Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal.
The Mother of God herself was ‘DIVINELY ORDAINED’ in front of the Throne of God Himself TO CRUSH Satan’s head.
– Fr. Joseph
Prodigal Son, Stav,
Your behavior vs. Lynda is very much like two teenage boys standing in the middle of a street throwing ‘drit bombs’ at a high school girl walking on the sidewalk while verbally abusing her while NOT NOTICING the 18 wheeler tractor trailer barrelling down the road and heading straight for the two of you.
And your taunting Lynda and what she is relaying to you is very much like the Patriarchs of BOTH the Catholic and Orthodox Church in THEIR not listening to or heedind the Divine Wisdom of the Blessed Virgin Mary AS Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal.
It is entirely BEYOND my competence, expertise and AUTHORITY to announce or decide who is the real ‘Holder of the Keys’.
I am NOT a Bishop! And I submit that it is the College of BISHOPS who have the Divine Charism and the Divine Graces of God the Holy Spirit Himself TO ACKNOWLEDGE the one who is the ‘Holder of the Keys’.
I cannot exceed my ‘authority’ as an ordained Priest in the Church’s Monastic Brotherhood.
MY BISHOP’S laying of his hands on me and his consecrating my hands in Holy Chrism ONLY permits me to administer the Sacraments of the Church – nothing more.
But I am CHARGED by that ordination into the Church’s Priesthood to see to the WELFARE and WELL-BEING of not only my fellow Human Beings but to CHRIST’S CHURCH here on earth.
So I share with you what I ‘know’ and I am under a MORAL and SPIRITUAL OBLIGATION to speak the truth, the whole truth and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH to you and everyone else here on RZN.
That’s my “job” – that’s my “vocation”.
With that having been said, I cannot help it that down during the centuries of Church History, Bishop ‘A’ did not like the type of AFTER-SHAVE Bishop ‘B’ splashed on himself, or Bishop ‘C’ did not like what Bishop ‘D’ ate for breakfast, or Bishop ‘E’ did not like to hear Bishop ‘F’ speak LATIN!
And if Bishop ‘A’, Bishop ‘C’ and Bishop ‘E’ took it upon themselves to collectively SEVERE their relationships and dealing with Bishop ‘B’, Bishop ‘D’ and Bishop ‘F’ – that does NOT make my task in attempt TO HALT Satan’s thermonuclear Third World War any EASIER!
It only serves TO CONFOUND a resolution to this Global Satanic-Problem of a thermonuclear Third World War!
The MOTHER OF GOD and the MOTHER OF THE CHURCH “knows” HER OWN CHILDREN!
It is BEST to leave it up to the MOTHER OF THE CHURCH to support, defend, promote, bring forth who SHE KNOWS to be the ‘Holder of the Keys’!
And here is a ‘Good Test’ for ALL OF US to determine who it is that IS her spiritual son and head-vicar-shepherd of her Son’s Church Militant here on earth –
The POPE and the BISHOPS OF THE CHURCH who OBEY HER REQUEST to have a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of Russia to her Immaculately Loving Heart per her 1917 A.D. Fatima Portugal Appairtions will show themselve to be the RIGHTFUL-LEGITIMATE ‘Holder of the Keys’ and BISHOPS in her own Divine Son’s Church Militant here on earth.
ALL OTHERS who continue TO DENY their Mother’s Fatima Request will prove themselves to NOT BE her Priest-Sons.
– Fr. Joseph
Com’on, com’on – let’s all just admit it – we ARE going to get embroiled in a thermonuclear Third World War on account of an utter ‘Lack-Of-Interest’ from BOTH the Secular-NeoPagan side of the World and the Religious-Christian side of the World.
There were Patriarchs and Bishops and members of the Laity who were embroiled in the First World War.
There were Patriarchs and Bishops and members of the Laity who were embroiled in the Second World War.
And there ARE going to be Patriarchs and Bishops and members of the Laity embroiled in this upcoming Third World War.
So ‘La-De-Dah’ – there is nothing new under the sun, as King Solomon posited in his sayings in the Book of Ecclesiastes.
Nobody in either our Secular-NeoPagan World or in our Religious-Christian World seems to give A HOOT that the Woman of Genesis 3:15 came to Fatima, Portugal back in 1917 A.D. with ‘A Way Out’ from all of this.
Everybody has their own personal ‘agendas’ in BOTH the Secular-NeoPagan World as well as in the Religious-Chrisitan World.
But people BOTH in the Secular NeoPagan and Religious-Christian World have forgotten that GOD HAS HIS OWN ‘DIVINE AGENDA’ as well.
– Fr. Joseph
Dear Father Joseph,
Thank you for the blessing of your votive mass. Little Jacinta prayed much for the suffering Holy Father and as his suffering was very much a part of our Lady’s Third Confidence (of which according to Fr Ratzinger when he was posing as a Cardinal said “it concerns only our faith”). Yes. “Only”.
The Great Apostasy does concern “only our faith.”
I am sure that you pray much for the Holy Father who will have much to suffer, as I do. As Catholics, we hold agreement as to the truths declared by Holy Church about the Petrine Office and the Keys which were given so crucial a trust by Heaven in the matter of the Great Sign (Apoc 12).
That this office has been under such relentless assault over the centuries by the forces of anti-Christ, that it is so totally scorned by the infidels, heretics and schismatics only further convinces me of the truth taught by the Chair of Peter concerning itself; that the Chair has only and ever taught what our Lord has taught, his Apostles, the Fathers and the Councils concerning The Rock “caught up to the throne of God”
And it is The Rock which falls from heaven and smashes the image of the Beast.
There are mysteries here, but the Blessed Virgin has told us clearly what we are to believe about these times and what we are to do; Holy Church has ratified her words by three popes. There is a seamless unity in terms of this witness. For the Catholic this should put the matter in realm of certainty.
Our model of the faith of the Kingdom / the Church is not one of petrification and museum-like conservation. Our model is the mustard seed that grew up into the vast tree that filled all the world. It is pointless to try to explain to the reprobate mind why the sapling tree does look exactly like the the germinated seed, why the full grown tree shaken of its fruits does not look like the tree in the leaves of spring. The tree has not changed in its essence, the tiny seed and the vast tree are one and the same.
The fact that the Church is currently undergoing the chaos of the Great Apostasy means nothing to the reprobate mind and it means nothing in terms of the truth of the prophecies made by our Lady, the Church’s witness to the veracity of her statements (even though we failed in terms of the requests) and the Key doctrines which her witness highlights for the times of chastisement: the reality of the last ends of man – heaven and hell; how effecatious are the prayers of the holy souls who suffer purgation both in this life and after death (and for whom we should pray for their deliverance; as they pray for ours), the power of the Keys and the central role assigned by heaven to “Peter and the apostles” in the person of the Sucessor of Peter in union with all the bishops”.
In the end of the Great Apostasy, this will come down to very few: a true Sucessor and true bishops who will turn the tide of our Apocalytic times. “They will do it – but it will be late.”
Seeing the hatred of the Church everywhere advancing, you do see why “God is going to punish the world for its sins by means of war and the persecution of the Holy Father”.
I am convinced that it was due to this persecution and the Great Apostasy that the consecration was not humanly possible to be done before the events you forsee. The Three World Wars are the agenda of Jewry. They may not be able to bring it about even though the Revolution which entered its Communist phase in Russia 1917 has now covered the globe.
For all these sins, the immediate future could be The Three Days of which the holy stigmatists have spoken at length – Bl Anna Maria Taigi, Marie Julie Jehany, Padre Pio and others.
In Pope St Leo’s homily (Lesson viii) for The Exultation of the Holy Cross he recounts: “For the senseless elements gave one wild cry of horror at the iniquity of Jewry; the lights of the firmament were darkened; day was turned into night, the earth quaked with strange tremblings…thus all God’s works refused to serve the guilty”.
So what happens when Jewry succeeds with the Revolution of which the Great Apostasy (which was imposed from the top) is the crowning achievement?
My belief is that The Three Days of Darkness will be soon and who will be able to survive it? Only those who are with Our Lady in the sorrow of her Immaculate Heart as she stood at the foot of the Cross.
I hope you are able to get blessed candles of pure beeswax to the homes of your community, your family and your friends.
Lynda,
You wrote on 2/7:
“The fact that our Lord spoke with approval to the Greek Israelites can not be interpreted to mean that he has no comment or approval for Romans and by extension the Roman Church.”
In John 12:20 it is not “Greek Israelites” as you put it, i.e. “Hellenisti” or Greek-speaking Judeans, or those living in the diaspora, or proselytes, but uncircumcised, pagan Hellenes (“Greeks”, or in Latin the nondescript “Gentiles”, which is derived from the L. ‘gens’ similar to the Greek word ‘ethnos’, or tribe, nation).
In any case, it is very clear that these were non-Jews, because in verse 19, the Pharisees are watching these Hellenes approach the Galileans, Phillip and Andrew, and they complain among themselves: “Do you see that we prevail nothing? Behold, the whole *world* is gone after Him!”
Along with the all important Galilean ministry of Jesus Christ, Bethsaida had ancient biblical and Davidic connections. Recent excavations revealed that the settlement at Bethsaida was founded in the 10th century BCE, in the biblical period. By that time the areas north and east of the Sea of Galilee were part of the Aramaean kingdom of Geshur.
Its royal family, which ruled for several generations, was connected by marriage to Davidic dynasty. King David married Maacha, daughter of the King of Geshur; she was the mother of Absalom, who later found refuge in the Land of Geshur. (II Samuel 3:3; 14:32) Archeological excavations conducted at the site revealed impressive structures and fortifications, and the excavator therefore surmises that during this period Bethsaida was the capital city of the Kingdom of Geshur and the seat of its monarchs.
The Aramean city of Bethsaida was conquered and destroyed by the Assyrian king Tiglath Pileser III during his campaign in the region in 734 BCE. (II Kings 15:29-30; 16:7-9).
From the time of that destruction, and until the Hellenistic period, the site was only sparsely inhabited.
The importance of Bethsaida during the Hellenistic-Roman period is apparent from references to it in ancient sources. Josephus Flavius states that King Herod Philip, whose kingdom included the northern part of the country, changed the name of the city at the beginning of the 1st century CE to Julias, after Julia Livia, wife of the Roman Emperor Augustus, and granted it municipal rights. (Antiquities 104, 18, 28) Also according to Josephus, Philip died in the city and was buried there with great pomp.
Andrew and Phillip are both Greek names (not unusual among Jews since the Hasmonean dynasty), and Bethsaida of Galilee (“House of Fishing”) the fishing village near Capernaum from which Andrew, Phillip and Simon Peter were born, and were first called by Jesus to become His disciples, and where He performed several miracles.
Bethsaida was granted municipal rights as an independent Herodian city by tetrarch Phillip and renamed Bethsaida-Julias after the wife of Caesar Augustus some time before 2 BCE. It was a mixed community of Galileans, Romans, Syians, and Greek-speaking people. Herod Philip himself spent a lot of time here and died in Bethsaida in 34 CE.
It was the birthplace of the apostles, a village frequented by Jesus (and also cursed by him) – there is literally no other example of an entire biblical era city, intact – anywhere. And it took 17 centuries to definitively establish the exact location of this Iron Age city of Bethsaida, although the 20 sq. km “evangelical triangle” of one of the Lord’s most important preaching areas.
Known as a fishing village, it didn’t seem to make sense that it would be located almost two miles from shore. Additionally, Bethsaida is located in the Golan (i.e. east of the Jordan River). But the Gospel of John identifies the village as being in the Galilee (west of the Jordan River).
Solving the mystery of Bethsaida’s location required coming to the realization that the Sea of Galilee’s shoreline today – is not where it was in Jesus’ time, and that the Jordan River had altered course or opened up a new rivermouth. This is most likely due to a significant earthquake in 363 CE. The site of ‘modern-day’ Bethsaida was in fact, at one time, situated right on the shores of the Sea of Galilee, and at some point was considered a part of Galilee rather than of Gaulontis.
The use of “Gentile” did not come into recorded English textual use until the 14th c. Spanish and German translations of the 16th c. clearly translate Hellenes as “Greeks.”
Greek NT: Byzantine/Majority Text (2000):
ησαν δε τινες *ελληνες* εκ των αναβαινοντων ινα προσκυνησωσιν εν τη εορτη
English: Douay-Rheims:
Now there were certain Gentiles among them, who came up to adore on the festival day.
Greek NT: Textus Receptus (1550/1894)
ησαν δε τινες *ελληνες* εκ των αναβαινοντων ινα προσκυνησωσιν εν τη εορτη
Latin: Vulgata
erant autem gentiles quidam ex his qui ascenderant ut adorarent in die festo
Latin: Vulgata Clementina
Erant autem quidam gentiles, ex his qui ascenderant ut adorarent in die festo.
German: Luther (1545)
Es waren aber etliche Griechen unter denen, die hinaufkommen waren, daß sie anbeteten auf das Fest.
Spanish: Sagradas Escrituras (1569)
Y había unos griegos de los que habían subido a adorar en la Fiesta.
Hellenes and Greek-speaking Christians constituted the greater part of the early Church. With the diffusion of Hellenism commencing with Alexander the Great, as early as the fourth century before the Christian era, the Greeks had come to constitute a very important if not a dominant element in the Near East and North Africa, especially in the large and metropolitan cities, not to mention that Greek was the international lingua franca from Britannia to India, the Black Sea and the Caucasus, and in second place was Assyrian Aramaic the royal and diplomatic language of the Semitic world.
Latin was generally found only in Italy in the vernacular and used, conjointly with Greek, as the administrative and legal language of Rome and empire.
It was because of this Greek world expansion that the rise of Christianity as a world religion was made possible. The first contact of the Greeks with Christ is related by the author of the Fourth Gospel. He writes that some Greeks among those who used to visit Jerusalem at the Passover approached Philip and Andrew and asked to see Jesus (Jn. 12.20-24). The Greeks, as seekers after truth, were eager to listen to something novel, to meet the new master.
Jesus was aware that the Greeks who came to Him were men with a searching mind and a troubled spirit. Upon His confrontation with them, He exclaimed, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified” (Jn. 12.23).
Indeed, these Greeks, as representing “the world” were few in number, but Christ saw in them not only Greeks but Romans and Scythians, and other peoples of all times and places who would also seek to find Him. Jesus said the hour had come for the Christian Gospel to be proclaimed outside the limited boundaries of ancient Israel.
As the Church grew and spread across the Roman Empire, it incorporated Jews and Greeks, rich and poor, Romans, freemen, and even slaves—men and women from every tribe and tongue. By the third century, one out of ten people in the Roman Empire was a Christian.
The Greeks have played a major role in the kerygma and the didache of Christ. The Greeks found in the person of Christ the eternal Logos and the living “unknown God” of their forefathers, while Christ discovered in them sincere followers and dedicated apostles of the New Kingdom.
It was through this historical meeting between the “unknown God” and the Greeks themselves that Christianity became oikoumenikos, (meaning “of the inhabited world” at that time) and “katholikos” (meaning “regarding the whole,”) religion. As T.R. Glover has put it: “The chief contribution of the Greek was his demand for this very thing – that Christianity must be universal…the Greek really secured the triumph of Jesus…. Even the faults of the Greek have indirectly served the church.”
Thus Christianity and Hellenism embraced each other in a harmonious faith and culture enriching each other. The Greek Orthodox Church of today is the people born out of the union between the Incarnate Logos and Hellenism.
KathJuliane,
What I said to Stav on Feb 7 was “Our Lord did speak very approvingly to the Israelite Greeks who came to him in the verses you quoted.”
My comment that follows is not affected one iota by a long consideration of whether the Greeks referred to in John 12 were Israelites of the diaspora residing in Greece (perhaps for centuries) or whether they were proselytes of the same; or whether they were Hellenes who came to Jerusalem to observe the Passover with the Jews; or whether they were Hellenic tourists or Spartan bodyguards.
The identity of the Hellenes (whatever their Israelite and / or Jewish connections) does not alter what I have said that our Lord spoke approvingly to them. For which – Bravo. Go Greeks. He also spoke approvingly to other ethnic groups also represented in the Roman province.
None of these endless pedantic corrections, amendments, qualifications establishes the idea that Christians from Greece (whether of the circumscision or not) were the ethnics who “secured the triumph of Jesus” meaning the universality of the faith.
If that was so, then where is the martyrology of the Church prior to the Great Schism recording long lists of Greeks marytyred in every nation for the faith and monumentalized in every nation. I’ve travelled in most countries outside planet Orthodox and somehow I missed it.
I do not accept the idea that it was through the Greeks alone (or even primarily) “that Christianity became oikoumenikos… and katholikos…”
Jews requiring a sign and the Greeks seeking after wisdom (1 Cor 1:22) are both contrasted with the Apostolic preaching of the Evangelium “but we preach Christ crucified, unto the (the signseeking) Jews indeed a stumblingblock and unto the (wisdom seeking Greek) Gentiles foolishness.” 1 Cor 1:23
The history of Bethsaida is not a good choice as an example of Greek diaspora (throughout the Roman Empire) which population became a foundation of the Apostolic Church, such as Corinth.
“Woe unto thee Corazain, woe to thee Bethsaida: for if in Tyre and Sidon had been wrought the miracles that have been wrought in you, they had long ago done penance in sackcloth and ashes.” Matt 11:21.
Greeks seeking wisdom (whether they observe the Passover or not) and the cosmopolitan populace of Bethsaida obviously did not get the idea that: “the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence and the violent bear it away.” Matt 11:12.
And great miracles still do not impress the wisdom seekers and church pedigree scrutinizers even though Joshua command the sun to stand still in the heavens or the Lord Jesus Christ command the sun dance in the heavens.
Not your cup of tea. Believe me. I get it.
Dear Lynda,
Yes, I call upon our God and Father in Heaven to pour forth His Celestial Light and His Divine Graces upon ALL of you here RZN readers – all the ‘Orthodox’ here as well…I hope they don’t mind (big grin) – at the beginning Blessing and final Blessing of my private votive Masses.
Perhaps it’s to my own personal ‘advantage’ that I am NOT as well versed in many of the Catholic Church’s historical documents as you ARE, nor do I possess the spiritual holiness of our Church’s GREAT Saints, Holy Stigmatists included, so those two religious and spiritual ‘weaknesses’ of mine permit me the personal liberty from being a “pessimist-fatalist” regarding such things as the Three Days of Darkness, the Fires from Heaven per Our Lady of Akita’s Messages or even the ‘necessity’ of a thermonuclear Third World War by which God will “purify” this blasted Satanic-dominated World of ours.
Call me ‘naive’, but deep down inside of myself, I STILL harbor the belief that God’s Divine SOVEREIGN WILL Rules and Guides and Determines our Human Race’s history.
To be sure, I might be entire WRONG about all of this – that there WILL be a ‘Three Days of Darkness’ – that FIRE WILL fall from the skies wiping out the vast majority of our Human Race -that a satanic-initiated thermonuclear Third World War WILL occur.
But if it was the DIVINE LOVE of God the Father FOR our fallen Human Race which moved Him to EXERT His Divine and SOVEREIGN Will on our Human Race’s behalf so as to send us His Only Eternally Begotten Son JESUS to be our Divine Savior, Divine Redeemer and Divine Lord and King via the WOMAN who we all know by name as the ‘Blessed Virgin Mary’ – then perhaps, just perhaps, when the Bishop of Rome along with ALL of the Catholic Church’s Bishops in spiritual and moral UNION with him publicly and solemnly REMIND THE ENTIRE WORLD of just what God the Father has DONE for our Human Race, what God the Son has DONE for our Human Race, what God the Holy Spirit has DONE for our Human Race – and what the BLESSED VIRGIN MARY DID and DOES for our Human Race – via a Global, Worldwide COLLEGIAL CONSECRATION OF RUSSIA to the Mother of God’s Immaculately Loving Heart:
Then I personally hold the inner conviction that GOD THE FATHER will cause every last blasted SATANIC THING in our World to be CRUSHED INTO THE DUST on account of and because of the WOMAN who so cooperated so freely, so completely, so TOTALLY, in assisting God Himself in bringing this ‘seen All’ of ours to back to Him and under His Divine Love.
Only time will tell, and ALL OF US will both see and participate in the ‘Final Outcome’, the ‘Final Result’ of God’s Divine Salvation History with and for all of Mankind.
– Fr. Joseph
Dear Fr Joseph,
Nobody desires that the Three Days of Darkness should come, Fr Joseph. Or I hope that no one would be found desiring that time, especially in a spirit of I told you so or serves us right.
I have no idea whether this will actually transpire but there are many passages in the Bible that fit what very holy people have told us about this (and very consistently) over the centuries.
When I see how terrible is the destruction that has occurred in the Church and how the one institution that could address all our social problems has been ‘taken out’ so to speak, I find it very difficult to persevere.
Lynda
Dear Lynda,
We are on “the same page” regarding finding ourselves smack dab between any number of ways God’s Divine Chastisement can befall ALL OF US which is His All-good Divine Justice – AND – finding ourselves with yet another day in which those Divine Chastisements haven’t befallen us all which is His Divine Mercy.
We are living in a most precarious time in Human History. The Divine ‘Scales’ are most assuredly balanced to down to the weight of a mere few atom’s “atomic weights”.
God Himself said that He would SPARE Sodom and Gomorrah if He could but find 10 GOOD PEOPLE in those cities.
It’s all very much like a Supernatural-Preternatural game of ‘Tug-of-War’ in which the first side that becomes FATIGUED in holding onto the “tension” in which THEY want the rope to go looses – and is dragged ‘over the line’ while all falling to the ground with their faces planted into the sands of the ‘Tug-of-War’ contest pit.
I am of the personal inner psycho-spiritual convinction that “we” CAN WIN this titanic global moral-spiritual-religious ‘Tug-of-War’ BATTLE.
But with so many people both inside and outside of the Church gleefully resigning themselves to ‘Spectator Status’, getting themselves nice and comfy-cozy seats in the Stadium’s bleachers expecting somebody else, some other ‘team’ to WIN THEM “their” Pennant, “their” Championship Titles, “their” Gold Medals, etc. while ABDICATING their own concern and/or personal responsibility for their OWN Human Race.
All those on ‘The Side Lines’ just have to go ask THEMSELVES just how long can a finite group or number of Human Beings down on ‘The Field’ can HOLD ON before pure, simply human FATIGUE sets in throughout “their” Home Team – and our Human Races LOSES this ‘Tug-of-War’ Match vs. Satan, his legions of evil elementals and his phalanx of human stooges, dupes and allies!
And if the Bishop of Rome and the entire Ecclesiastical Hierarchy of THE CHURCH wants to sit in their comfy-cozy ‘Sky Boxes’ sucking down party tray after party tray of well prepared CATERED FOODS and DRINKS while amusing themselves with this ‘Grand Struggle’ the entire Human Race is embroiled in vs. Satan and his evil elemental-incarnate legions all across our World going on all across our contemporary World – and DO NOTHING about all of this DESPITE having the Woman of Genesis 3:15’s Specific Fatima Instructions that SHE expects them to carry out for THE SAKE OF HER SPIRITUAL CHILDREN who are the ‘Human Race’ on account of her being God’s NEW EVE to and for all of Mankind – then perhaps the Church and all of Mankind DESIRES the ‘Divine Chastisements’ to come a’visitin’ them.
One does NOT ‘dare God’ to DO or NOT DO something/anything. And neither the Human Race or the Church can “put God to the test”!
We, the Human Race as well as ‘The Church’ have collectively become very, very, VERY FOOLISH people.
Let’s see if God’s Divine Mercy allows us to get through THIS DAY – and each day that He does allow us is, in itself, a ‘Great Divine-Supernatural Miracle’ for which the vast majority of us are entirely UNGRATEFUL.
– Fr. Joseph
Dear Lynda,
With all the ‘Woe’ going on all across our World at to, with and amid our Human Race, let me try to ‘cheer’ you up.
Our Rev. Mother Anastasia at our St. Seraphim’s Skete has been granted the ineffable Divine Grace of the ‘Mystical Marriage’.
She and our Fr. Bishop Athanasius are regularly visited by the Lord, and the Lord is taking Rev. Mother Anastasia on what might as well be called ‘Mystical Tours’ of His Heaven.
She and Fr. Bishop are working at compiling these mystical-spiritual “Reportings” into a Chronicle which they are both currently working on compiling from publication to the Internet.
As soon as my Fr. Bishop tells me the Project is finished an ‘on-line’, I’ll be sure to get you the Internet address-link.
It would seem, from my own personal point-of-view, the Lord is doing this to and with our Rev. Mother Anastasia in order to let ALL the peoples of our contemporary World just what they are ‘Missing’ and what they stand ‘To Lose’ if they keep on following the ‘Piped Piper of Khazar Talmudic Kabbalah Zohar Satanic Occult New Age Godlessness Hedonistic Materialism’ and continuing to march to their tune of ‘New World Order’ and ‘One World Government’.
– Fr. Joseph
Dear Lynda,
I am not one to claim that Greeks are the solution to all our problems nor do I claim any kind of nationalistic or otherwise questionable things. I am very against putting a nation, or anything else in fact, before God and His Truth.
I am however, merely stating the fact that the Bible specifically states “Greeks” and also very clearly states the response of Christ. If you somehow missed this clear message, then I suggest you refer to the Greek version of the passage, which I know may appear as a circular argument, but then why trust a translation which translates “Greeks” to “Gentiles”, without even matching the context.
One could take that passage and try and refute it, or change it’s meaning or whatever.
However, lets look at the facts:
1) The most authoritative, specific, correct and complete expressions of Scripture, both Old and New are written in Greek. And note that OT Masoretic translation and ANY Hebrew OT scripts DO NOT count as authoritative texts for reason mentioned many times.
2) Ditto, for practically all initial Theology, councils etc. up to at least the first 7 centuries. It was 99% written in Greek.
3) The words you cherish so much, such as “Catholic”, “Ecclesia” their derivatives etc. etc. come from Greek.
4) Most importantly, it was by using the tool of Greek Language, that the Church was able to Glorify God in the most proper and complete way, and only then, the rest of the Church followed.
It was the capability of the Greek Language to provide (and still does today) PIN POINT ACCURACY with no ambiguousness, that allowed the Church to assert and record it’s faith and ways to Glorify God. It was also God’s plan to use the best possible way to record Scripture, and therefore, it just so happened that Greek was used for this.
It must be said here, that at the time of Jesus Christ coming into this earth, it was Greeks that had a developed philosophical thinking and practiced analysis and logical thinking, to a level of proficiency, helped by their language. This led them to ponder on Theology by using advanced concepts and while they were obviously pagans, some of the Greeks, (see some of Socrates’ astounding conclusions about God ) developed an intellectual readiness for the Coming of the Messiah.
It must also be said, that at the same time, philosophy (it self a Greek word of course) , practiced anywhere, was heavily based, influenced and permeated by the ground work that Greeks had already done. And this of course does not only mean Theology, but many other sciences as well.
Anyway, it was this intellectual readiness, developed and maintained by the Greeks, and any Greek learned, that allowed the greatness of the first Holy Fathers writings to actually take the form that they did. And it was this intellectual preparedness that allowed the Greek Learned to quickly grasp the needed concepts and analysis needed to assert doctrine. And more over, it was this intellectual preparedness that allowed them to defend the Faith against all heretical ideas. Without this tool, called Greek Language and Philosophy, none of the first growth of the Church would have been possible.
Thus in this light, the comment of Jesus Christ upon His seeing of the Greeks, may be taken literally, i.e. in the context of “Correct Glorification”, which is what Orthodoxy by definition is all about.
Thus, to me, as an Orthodox, and partially (half) Greek in origin, the words of Jesus on the matter, make complete sense.
Seemingly simple matters, like for example the initial expression of the Creed, was executed, by using the tools provided to the Church by the early Greeks, i.e. their Language and their mental disciplines of logic and the rest of the methods of Philosophy. they were able to see and assert whether the use of a single word could be a reason to deteriorate the faith and they were able to extrapolate how doctrine would be affected by the choice of the wrong word. All of this was possible, because they were already fluent in the “ways” of logical and reasonable thinking.
It is my personal opinion that it is this part of this intellectual ability that the Romans lost, and by extension the West in general, which is partially the reason why they appear to have been rendered incapable of effective reasonable/theological analysis and deduction, as is clearly demonstrated even on this site, every day.
Instead, emotional and/or even unfair or plain wrong practices will be employed, to somehow balance the lack of proper thinking procedures. Or, as a last resort, when it seems apparent that logic MUST be used, then, it is crippled by the use of wrong logic, such as circular arguments, errors in deductions, etc. etc.
Of course, in a nutshell, this has also been the story of the “dialogue” that has taken place between the OC and the RCC.
For example, why else, would or could they not see the logically extrapolated effects of the filioque would bring, because of the various cascaded changes it would bring to the theology? Why, so lightly change doctrine which had been put in place by meticulous attention, by means of the tools mentioned above?
The answer to that, is in my opinion, pretty simple, if you love the Truth very much, you will learn its ways and methods. You will try to learn how to get to it, and how to derive more, further Truths from it. Thus, you will be inevitably led to Logic, Philosophy (not Philosophies but rather Philosophy as a method of thinking) amongst other things.
Thus, one can reverse this thinking, and assume, that if the RCC was unable or unwilling to see the devastation that a single “que” can bring to a Theology, they must have either not been able to or they must have not wanted to. In either case, the conclusion is the same: They put something else before the Truth. And by doing that, they gradually lost the ability to discern the Truth, because they lost the Spirit, and they lost the tools.
It must be said that there has been no early Church document, which contains NO logical arguments or NO Philosophically inspired methods or expressions. This is because there is simply NO other way to provide a level of objectivity, even the Bible itself is not void of logical deductions.
Thus to conclude and repeat my self, it is clear that Greeks, not only were a providential instrumental to Christianity, but they provided the tools to express a proper Theology. And expression of proper Theology is by it self proper Glorification, because what else can is be when you talk about God in the proper way, if it is not Glorification?
What, if not proper and correct glorification of God, is the best possible expression of the gospel which is written in Greek?
And What, if not correct glorification of God, are the Greek writings of our Fathers, like Chrysostom, Basilius etc. etc.?
And what is it, if not a means to correct and proper glorification of God, when anyone wants to get to the bottom of things, they MUST in the end, refer to the Greek originals and use logical deduction and similar practices pioneered and perfected by the Greeks?
Cannot you see that some of what Greeks developed, by the Grace of God, was only granted to them, in order for it to become a tool to be used by the Followers of Christ, which were imminent? A simple cause and effect analysis of basic historical facts will tell you that.
Stav
Stav,
While THE GREEKS were falling all over themselves with worrying about how to appease ZEUS and the entire ‘Extended Divine Family of Gods and Goddesses’ – the One True God was NOT ‘using Greek’ to convey One True Divine Revelation to and for the Human Race.
And God Incarnate Himself did NOT speak or read GREEK – He spoke Arameic and He did read Hebrew.
When God the Holy Spirit came upon people at Pentecost, He did NOT speak Greek nor did He cause everyone influenced, moved and Graced by His Divine Spiritual Presence to HEAR the Marvels of God in GREEK!
“How does it happen that each of us hear them (the Apostles) in his own native language? Parthians, Medes and Elamites; people from Mesopotamia, Judaea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya round Cyrene, as well as vistors from Rome (i.e. LATIN) – Jews and proselytes alike – Cretans an Arabs; we all here them preaching in our own language about THE MARVELS OF GOD.” – Acts 2:8-12
Now if the people AT THAT TIME had sat themselves down and began TO WRITE DOWN what they had heard being PREACHED TO THEM – every last human language of the ‘Known World’ at that time would have recorded and relayed DIVINE REVELATION regarding what they ‘heard’!
By your asserting that a ‘GREEK’ manuscript holds the Final and Absolute Authority IN and OVER the Church – then you DON’T NEED a ‘Patriarch’ of the Greek Orthodox Church!
The ‘Divine Authority’ over His Own Church was given to MEN – and NOT a ‘Greek’ manuscript! And one of those men received a set of ‘KEYS’ by God Incarnate.
Now if you want to INSIST that Christ Jesus and His Holy Spirit FAILED MISERABLY in Guiding His Church Militant here on earth down through the centuries – that’s YOUR Greek Orthodox business.
– Fr. Joseph
Stav,
The word ‘GREEK’ or ‘LANGUAGE’ is not mentioned in either of these two passages from the Universal Church’s Canon of Sacred CHRISTIAN Scripture:
1) “But the hour will come, in fact it is here already, when true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth. That is the kind of worshipper the Father wants. God is Spirit, and those who worship must worship in spirit and truth.” – John 4:23-24
2) “The Spirit too comes to help us in our weakness. For when we canot CHOOSE WORDS in order to pray properly, the Spirit Himself expresses our pleas in a way that could never be put into words, adn God Who knows everything in our hearts knows perfectly wel what He means, and that the pleas of the saints expressed by the Spirit are according to the Mind of God.” – Romans 8:26-27.
So you see, one need NOT speak or read or think or express himself, herself or themselves IN GREEK in order to properly WORSHIP and GIVE GLORY to God.
We don’t get to use them very much nowadays in the LATIN Church – but during Easter time, when our Priests DO pray and chant out loud and sing in the LATIN, deep deep TEARS of heartfelt UNITY with all of my fellow Catholic Christians of the LATIN Church well up.
Ya outta get some CDs with good LATIN hymns and chants and GO LISTEN to them – they are beautiful to the mind, heart, soul and spirit.
– Fr. Joseph
Stav,
Some very appropriate LATIN for all of us in this utterly corrupt and increasingly chaotic World of 2010 Anno Domini:
“BELLA PREMUNT HOSTILIA
DA ROBUR FER AUXILIUM”
“Our Foes press on from every side
Thy Grace supply Thy Strenght bestow.”
From a contemporary version of St. Thomas Aquinas’ hymn ‘O Salutaris’:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXuzhHSaDWY
– Fr. Joseph
Hi there Fr. Joseph,
Greeks, at the time you mention, were in their majority pagans and they did as you suggest worship Zeus. Same thing happens today. The vast majority live in ignorance. So what? Does that change the facts?
How do you explain Socrates’ conclusions (pagan though they were)? The answer Fr. Joseph, is a lifetime of contemplation and love of Wisdom and Truth.
But that fact, does not change another fact, that several Greeks, were developing the practice of “Love of Wisdom” which is Philosophy. They developed the tools to think, the tools to deduct knowledge from knowledge.
And for any analyst from that point on, it was the same tools that were used in order to advance or express knowledge. There is not way around this unfortunately for you.
You mentioned, that Greek was not mentioned. Who cares, when all of the faith was expressed initial in Greek? The truth is in the pudding Fr. Joseph. It was God’s will that made these things be expressed in Greek, and not another language. can you refute this?
Moreover, I presented you the logic and unbelievable power of the Greek language by one example, but there are many others. And this was the use off the word LOGOS, to describe God’s nature, in the beginning, as per Scripture.
Now, I ask you, HOW would you translate the word LOGOS into Latin or any other language, so that is carries the same weight, meaning and completeness?
You see Fr. Joseph, if you want the fullness and complete understanding, you MUST use Greek, you cannot escape this fact.
And if you claim otherwise, you will be condemning your self to partial ignorance of the Faith. The same goes for all the KJV proponents (or any other non Greek version) only and all of those who believe in only reading the Bible. Do you have any serious arguments against this? Or are you going to continue going around the subject by presenting only tangential (but not relevant) information?
Stav
Stav,
Regarding GREEK and not ‘escaping FACTS’…
For your and EVERYONE’S information here on RZN…
“The ‘Logos’ and Hellenism” @
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09328a.htm
– Fr. Joseph
This is what Russians suffered under Marxism [Bolshevism]:
http://christogenea.org/resources/RussiaNo1.pdf
Or: http://christogenea.org/site/RussiaNo1
P.S. I wonder if this Findley is writing to the same Mr Balfour who signed the Balfour agreement? If so, Mr. Findley must be rolling in his grave.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917
This would make Mr. Balfour a double agent, would it not ?!
Speaking of Logos, here is a quote from E. Michael Jones, referring to some thoughts of Origen:
“The Jews, who have abandoned the light of reason, the Logos, have no control over their passions. They will live in the darkness of unreason and, as a result, pursue their desires without restraint. They “are well represented by the figure of Barabbas,” an ill-fated political insurrectionary. They are also identified with Judas, “and with him go to hell.”
The devil does not bother the Jews because “they have already fallen into his hands.” He now attacks the Church. The Jews are agents of the devil who accuse Christians of credulity while persecuting them and blaspheming Christ.
Jews are unjustly proud of their carnal descent from Abraham and refuse to repent. The Jews practice magic, and are “foolish, hard-hearted, wise only in doing evil, unable to know the hidden plan of God,” and are “useless to society.”
(From The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit, Chapter 2.)
Greetings in Christ our Lord Jesus,
Brother Nathanael, may our Lord give you strength now for the ages to come, according to His Will.
A forgotten book:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2409454/Pa…is-Greek-part1
Part 2:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6015547/Jo…ek-Part-2-of-2
ICXC NIKA
Is it not written in Proverbs – “Righteousness exalteth a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people”?
The Zionist run media has had a major influence in the degradation of the US thru what is brought into our homes via TV like the ready acceptance of alcohol, infidelity, sexism, politcal correctness and now homosexuality. It started with the movies, then it moved into our homes with TV.
We as a nation now question our own acceptance of Christian values and holidays, replacing Merry Christmas with Happy Holidays, Hannuka and the important role of strong male leadership in a household with gender equality. If God had intended women to be equal with man, why did he make Eve from one of Adam’s ribs?
We are under demonic attack and all those who are not in a committed relationship with Christ are subject to be used as pawns. Its time America get back to prayer, weeping, fasting, repentance, and salvation, or it will surely drink of the wine of the wrath of God’s judgement as spoken in Jeremiah 25:27-29 as will the rest the whole earth soon after.
The invasion of all oil-producing countries should be enough proof of what the ZIONIST THIEVES are all about — the total control of natural resources. http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html
What false Christian religions do to deceive many ignorant Christians for not becomming acquainted with the word of GOD, and establish a personal relationship with our heavenly Father and His only perfect Son and Saviour JESUS CHRIST http: wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/6049
PUTIN knows his country’s history better than Americans know their own, much less, the history of other old nations.
BN is only ONE of 144,000 reborn Jewish brothers that the Bible warn all Christ’s believers were to be ready to preach the the good news, to the remaining of his original people, Israel, (not the Zionists). As the Bible teaches the first will be LAST and the last will be FIRST.
The Antichrist will be a HOMOSEXUAL JEW that had no regard for the GOD of his FOREFATHERS, (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob).
My personal belief is that the United States will not be involved with the invasion of Israel with the Eastern European states, from Germany across the board including China, Russia, and certain Mid-East states, including Iran.
The hate that the Zionists have created against America and the descendants of Moses have, and are, blinding the Truth from the lie when it comes to the difference between real Jews and Impostor Zionist Jews.
That is why our Lord emphasized prayer for the Jews of the last days.
PS. Forgive my spelling I am not an English professor.
The Zionists infiltrated the Catholic Church for more than 1,300 years believing that in that manner they were to control OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST’S TRUE BODY OF BELIEVERS, WHICH ARE THE SPIRIT FILLED FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST.
By giving it the UNIVERSAL CHURCH, THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD STAND TALL OVER ALL OTHER RELIGIONS. Is the reason why the Catholic Church was always an insider within the Kingdoms of Europe, advising and controlling the kingdoms, by binding even the kings and emperors with the so-called threat of excommunication? Even the kings were afraid of the Church of Rome.
Zionist are the SEXUAL DEVIANTS that intoduced all sexual deviance to the rest of the world covering all manners of sex not approved by the Almighty God. Sodomy became the standard within the Catholic Church, since women were not permitted to become part of the every day love relationship with so called servants of God.
This made the false priesthood feel at home within the Church, since one of their rules was that in order to fit in they had to deny themselves the God given right of marriage.
The “title” Christian was not one the believers named themselves with. It was given to them by the people that knew the believers were following Jesus Christ. According to the word of God, satan was the one that began deviding the body of believers by “labels,” including the emphasis of calling Christians as “Judeo-Christians.”
A believer is not Judeo-, we are New Testament Christians and “WE ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE” BECAUSE WE ARE THE ADOPTED CHILDREN.
THAT IS THE GREAT DECEPTION OF THE LATTER DAYS that has deceived many by providing a protective shield to the Zionists, so that no one punishes them under the belief that God Almighty will destroy them as He did in the Old Testament.
This is what has kept the Zionists under the radar for punishment by the laws made by men, so they come and kill, steal all the God given blessings, send our sons and daughters to war for their own pleasure.
At the same time, they in their psychoparanoic state and with a dead conscience, even sacrifice all those disappeared babies, sons, and daughters at Satan’s altar amd drink their blood in Satan’s honor.
The most cursed people of the world, are the Zionists and Freemasons !