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1. admin October 12, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

   Dear Real Zionist News Family & All Readers,

   “In the beauty of the lillies Christ was born across the seas; with a treasure in His bosom that transfigures you and me; as He died to make men holy, now He lives to make men free, our Christ is marching in on…”

   What a great Christian hymn this is!

   Surely, we are all transfigured by the treasure that Christ carried within Himself, that is the Divinity which he shared with the Father and the Holy Spirit in His incarnation as the Eternal Son of God become man for our salvation.

   I do not fear the ADL nor the Anti Christ Jews who are exulting and chomping at the bit now that the Lisbon Treaty has been voted on by the pummeled people of Ireland.

   The wicked Jews of the ADL are about to pass their Hate Crime Law and do you think for one minute that I am frightened by these wicked Christ and freedom killers? Not on your life.

   I only fear the Lord Jesus Christ Who holds Seven Solar Systems in His right hand as a dear Christian friend of mine, KS, pointed out to me recently in the 1st Chapter of Revelation where St John observed Christ holding “7 stars,” that is “7 Suns” with Solar systems attached.

   My dear Real Zionist News family, I have just turned 59 years old and I feel that Christ is calling me to a greater and wider ministry.

   I have written time and time again about my ministry needs both for OUR Website, Real Zionist News, and the Street Evangelism that I conduct.

   Please consider and pray about helping me out won’t you?

   There is a DONATION FEATURE BUTTON on the Top & Bottom of this and every Real Zionist News article. Or simple Click:
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   I had to cancel two Street Evangelism trips this month due to a very low donation count. I now have a HUGE BILL to pay for the September NYC Street Evangelism trip as a well as high costs to run OUR Site, Real Zionist News.

   I hope to go to Los Angeles and Atlanta soon, as well as continue my NYC and Boston Street Evangelism trips.

   But I need your help.

   Here is A Picture (& Interview by my dear friend Mark Glenn of Internet fame) of ‘Brother Nathanael’ in front of the Federal Reserve Blg in Boston at a major median strip in Downtown Boston:
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   My vision is to go to EVERY MAJOR CITY in the USA for Street Evangelism – BUT – I will need financial help to make this vision a reality.

   HERE ARE SOME PICS & A MAJOR RENSE ARTICLE On My “STREET EVANGELISM” @ http://www.rense.com/general81/prophet.htm

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   Once Again:

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   I really need your financial support to CONTINUE my Street Evangelism which meets with OVERWHELMING POSITIVE RESPONSE – ESPECIALLY FROM THE YOUTH.

   I also need you financial help to keep OUR site, Real Zionist News, online with the VERY HIGH COSTS OF RUNNING THIS VERY POPULAR WORLD-WIDE site.

   And I extend MANY THANKS to those of you who have donated to the “Cause” – and to those Faithful Few who continually encourage me by regular support.
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   Okay, must sign off and have a bite to eat and do some Bible reading.

   Please keep me in your prayers dear Real Zionist News family and KNOW that ALL OF YOU by NAME, are continually in mine.

   With MUCH LOVE & APPRECIATION for our RZN Family in Christ,

   Your +Brother, Nathanael

2. Jim DeTexas October 12, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

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   My apology dear Brother Nathanael for being off topic, thank you for your hard works. God Bless.

3. Hoff October 13, 2009 @ 1:37 am

   This you Americans will like. The Jews will export all Hamas to America.

   “HB 1388 PASSED”

   http://www.meguiar.addr.com/end_times/hr1388.htm

4. KathJuliane October 13, 2009 @ 2:37 am

   Well done, dear Brother Nathanael. God bless you for working all this out for RZN family.

   This was an exceptionally complicated theme and you’ve blended the various aspects of the Lisbon Treaty quite well. It’s comprehensive and smooth with a lot of info about probable ramifications we can eventually expect here with Jewish agitation, considering the fact that some of the liberal higher court justices want to interpret American law through international or foreign law, meaning our Constitutional law.

   The handwriting is certainly on the wall about what the ADL is going to continue to press for here. This piece also does a great job of knitting the American Jews with the Euro/Brit Jews and how they really work in concert as “International Jewry”.

   We tend to think of ADL as an American thing, when it is not, this was good example of how the International Jews, ie. ADL Euro and other Jewish organizations can swarm an issue and make things miserable, as they did with the Irish.

   The “working legal definition” of ‘anti-Semitism’ was an eye-opener as a distinctly separate category from generic “hate laws” and minority rights. “Symbolic” definition, my foot. You nailed the Zionist Jews on that one. The Lisbon Treaty as a de facto 2700 plus page “EU constitution” changes all of that.

   There is going to be some very heavy lobbying in each of the European countries to get the “anti-Semitism” laws passed throughout the entire EU, and the ones that have the most voting clout, like Germany and France, already have the anti-Semitic and “HolocaustTM denial” laws in place.

   The working definition is no longer “symbolic”, and this all spells out an ironclad case of where the little minds of the Zionists Jews are headed – from their own lips.

   People here in the US have got to stay vigilant on this “working legal definition” of anti-Semitism, because as a distinct legal definition above and beyond existing generic “hate crimes” and minority issues is going to be snuck in to our own laws by the ADL.

   The montage pictures are fantastic. Blair looks like a dreamy eyed girl swooning over Elvis. He’s probably seeing himself as the first EU President.

   The more I see these Rothschilds’ faces the clearer it becomes that they are truly dynastically inbred souless psychopaths. All of them have an even stranger beady-eyed look about themselves than most of the Zionist Jews, many of whom look demonized to begin with.

   And, to add insult to injury as to who is really in control of the EU and Brussels, I found this item on Wikepedia:

   “The Great Synagogue of Europe, formerly known as the Great Synagogue of Brussels, is the main synagogue in Brussels, Belgium [a palatial 19th century building] which was dedicated as a focal point for European Jews in 2008… It is hoped that the building will become a focus for Judaism in Europe, as St. Peter’s Basilica is for Roman Catholics.”

   In the European Jewish Press:

   “The ceremony [was] conducted by Chief Rabbi Albert Guigui of the “Grande Synagogue de la Rue de la Régence” and [was]attended by chief rabbis from a number of European countries, representatives from the EU institutions, the Brussels diplomatic corps and the Belgian civil society.

   “Our demand to dedicate our synagogue was willingly accepted by the European Commission,” Rabbi Guigui told EJP.

   “In a society where violence and fear are more and more present, the EU appears to be convinced that the European construction must not only be based on economic interests but also on religious and spiritual wellbeing,” he added.

   http://www.ejpress.org/article/news/eastern_europe/27618

   Time to sharpen the tines loud enough for the Jewish Banksters and the sycophant Eurocrat lairds to hear it…economic interests, and religious and spiritual well-being for who?

5. Peter October 13, 2009 @ 3:17 am

   I read a few topics. I respect your work and added blog to favorites.

6. Hoff October 13, 2009 @ 6:10 am

   What the Jews are doing in EU is exactly the same thing the Jews are doing in America – surpassing the Constitution. What the Jews are doing is that they build a state within the state.

   How the Jews do it is that they put you on a list and say your a “possible terrorist”, or the Jew bogus accusation “antisemite”. Now your on a list and have no rights, the Jews have jumped on top of your Constitution and say it doesn’t apply to you.

   All these smear-slander words are Jewish code words for anyone resisting the Jews to take control of their state.

7. Hoff October 13, 2009 @ 6:27 am

   This is What the Jews are doing, Why the Jews are doing it and How the Jews are doing it – five minutes video

   http://jewise.wordpress.com/the-enemy-within-the-jew/

8. russ October 13, 2009 @ 6:29 am

   Hoff,

   Great find, when you read this it all dovetails together as to how the zionist use disinformation and deflection as a powerful tool.

   To the story at hand, very disturbing.

   They seem to use EU as a model for their tactics, then refine them and implement them on us.

   How much more can they ram down the Europeans’ throats before they have had enough?

   Let’s hope the countries sensible enough to oppose the censorship of holocast denial will win out.

   I see Norway still has not joined, good for them. They continuosly resist the euro ADL.

   This is a heads up for the US. Thanks to BN for keeping us up to speed on their ever invasive plans for NWO.

9. KathJuliane October 13, 2009 @ 9:35 am

   Symbolic actions say quite a bit – last year the “Synagogue of Europe” was rededicated in Brussels which was then hoped to become like what the Vatican is to Catholics.

   Now that the greedy, gloating Jews and their self-serving corporate-state neo-feudal psychophants are reveling over the Lisbon Treaty, the European Jewish Congress is making haste to move their European headquarters from Paris to Brussels. The first thing on their lobbying agenda is pushing through “anti-Semitism” laws.

   From the lips of the boasters of EJPress as of 10/12 to the further tears of Christians in Europe:

   http://www.ejpress.org/article/39786

   European Jewish body opens permanent Brussels office

   BRUSSELS (EJP)—More than twenty years after its creation in Paris, the European Jewish Congress (EJC), the umbrella body representing Jewish communities across Europe, opens a permanent Brussels office this week.

   The main activity of this office will be to closely follow the developments of the EU institutions – the European Commission, the European Parliament and the EU Council-, in issues of importance to the European Jewish communities.

   The official opening event will take place on Wednesday in the presence of European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso, Vice-President Jacques Barrot, European Parliament President Jerzy Buzek, Israel’s Minister of National Infrastructure Uzi Landau and several MEPs.

   The need for an EU representation had been regularly raised within the EJC’s executive body, but it is only last year, at the organization’s general assembly, that the decision to open the Brussels office was unanimously taken.

   “While the EJC is based in Paris since its creation in 1986, we found that there was a vacuum on European level and that there was a need for a powerful lobby organization to work closely with the EU institutions. This is easier when you are in Brussels,” Raya Kalenova, who heads the new office, told EJP.

   “We have always seen the growing importance of the EU for the European Jewry and we are committed to the relationships that we have established over the years with the EU institutions.”

   The representation will be the hub for the EJC’s projects and initiatives at the highest level of decision-making in the European Union.

   “We will seek to maintain and expand already existing bonds with the EU,” Kalenova said.

   “Thanks to the Lisbon Treaty, which will reform the EU institutions, the EU is about to become an even more efficient and influential global player,” she added.

   Among the issues which will top the agenda of the EJC’s in the EU capital, the fight against the scourge of anti-Semitism in Europe – a phenomenon whose importance varies from country to country – is expected to be “our very raison d’être,” said Russian-born and educated Raya Kalenova, who has worked for years in the private sector in Eastern Europe.

   “We propose to fight anti-Semitism by promoting tolerance, reconciliation and interfaith dialogue,” she said.

   Memory of the Holocaust

   Two years ago, at the initiative of its president, Moshe Kantor, the EJC created the European Council for Tolerance and Reconcilation (ECTR) in order to bring together a broad coalition of moderate forces, representing the whole spectrum of Europe’s religious, cultural and political diversity, to speak against all forms of extremism.

   The Brussels office will work together with the European Fundamental Rights Agency in order to create more awareness of anti-Semitism at the EU institutions.

   “In this framework, we will try to bring together our efforts with other lobbying organizations,” Kalenova said.

   The office will also closely follow the activities of the European Parliament committees, especially the foreign affairs and human rights committees, concerning issues such as the growing Iranian nuclear threat or the EU-Israel political, cultural and economic ties.

   Stressing the need to keep the memory of the Holocaust alive as a “constant warning” [constantly cudgeling the battered Europeans over the head with post-Auschwitz theology] of what can happen when democracy capitulates before the most repugnant and brutal expressions of hatred [unlike the saintly, humanitarian and virtuous “only democracy in the Middle East” – the Zionist entity], the EJC will commemorate on January 27, 2010 together with the Polish government the 65th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz-Birkenau nazi death camps.

   “We have invited many members of the European Parliament to join us in this journey to our painful history,” said Raya Kalenova.

10. Hoff October 13, 2009 @ 10:53 am

    How much more can they ram down the Europeans’ throats before they have had enough? -russ-
    —

    Hoff: Europeans are just as stupid as the American people. l have studied stupidity and ignorance at great length. Proven, with Jews-only sources that 99.99 percent in Obama NoBody’s administration are Jews, the stupid goy will tell you: – “But Obama is not a Jew!”

11. Sherwood Smith October 13, 2009 @ 11:31 am

    As Mr. Zundel said in an interview with a Jewish reporter years ago: “there is a Jewish Holocaust coming.”

    The Lisbon Treaty and other such laws and regulations cannot turn back the tide of rising resistance to Jews and the Jewish organizations that create and promote their propaganda.

    Does anyone think the Jews will ever have any favor in Iraq for the next 100 years or more, Lebanon, Iran? All the beatings in the world will not destroy their hatred of Israel. And as the Jew thinks he is making progress by destroying one country after the other, he is only turning more and more of the world against him with great wrath and vengeance.

    There are several obstacles for Jewish world control and the Jews are in a race. The race is to dominate the world before the next generation of Jews takes power. The new generation of Jews has a very high marriage rate to the goy. They are weaker, not as united, more interested in other things than world domination. They don’t remember or know anything about the so called great wars.

    In other words, all the work of the Jews from the “greatest generation” to brainwash the goyim, to reduce them to insecure, emotionally unstable idiots has also impacted their very own children. They have self-destructed and are in a steep decline. They are running on momentum and old habits which are both breaking down and running out of steam.

    On another front, America and the West are rapidly changing racially and religiously. In the past it was difficult to distinguish between a Jew trying to steal from you because they look like another white person. So all the dirty work of the Jews to most of the world looks like evil white men.

    In the new world they can no longer hide. Europe and America are being overrun with dark skins, South American Catholics (they already dominate Roman thinking), Islam and other anti-Christian religions. In the past the Jews had only one important enemy: Christians. Now they have many, Christians, Mexicans, Blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Muslims, etc.

    If you notice, these new enemies are from a multitude of races and backgrounds and they have several things in common. They have all been subjugated by the White West for several hundred years. They have all been out maneuvered by the White West. They have all had their ancient cultures and religions destroyed or greatly distorted by White Imperialism.

    AND more importantly, the new propaganda in regards to history, the media, TV, movies and such have portrayed the White West in the worse light possible so that all of these Anti-Whites have very strong convictions and Anti-White feelings, no matter how rational they think they are.

    The world is not ruled by reason, but by irrational emotions. The Jews’ problem is that for the most part, they LOOK like the White West they have attempted to destroy (with the SPLC, ADL, etc). Consequently, all the enemies of the White West will lump the Jews in this great coming war as the White Christian West declines in population, will power, and influence.

    Does the Jew think he can hide in Asia?

    What a predicament. Nothing worse than looking like the enemy of the New World Order: The White Man.

    History moves slowly but surely. The die is already cast, now it will take the shape. They have run their course, the word is out, and they will have nowhere to hide.

    Sherwood Smith

12. Dan Tanner October 13, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

    Silver, Gold coins … & symbols.

    I still think we should invest in precious metals, but …

    Check out this latest ‘Obomination’. What will ‘dem Jews’ think of next?
    http://silverobama.com/

    “This is NOT a coin issued by the U.S. Government, U.S. Mint, Federal Reserve Bank or U.S. Treasury. This is not a North American Union Amero coin. This is intended to be used as currency in the New World Order.”
    http://newworldorder.org/

    “The coin should be “sold”, “bought”, “traded”, “priced”, or “valued” at 10% above the manufacturing cost which would allow for a nice profit to the Issuer. (Private mints today can mint silver coins at 10% above the spot price.)” – more usury anyone?
    http://silverstockreport.com/silvercoinproposal.htm

    – – – – –

    Have a great day everyone … Take care (& rally together AGAINST THE FLU SHOT).

13. KathJuliane October 13, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

    Dear RZN Family,

    I’ve worked over a recent post for this new article, so some of it may seem familiar.

    Where ever Brother Nathanael is able to go for his Street Evangelism as the Holy Spirit guides him as the Lord provides, and as people’s hearts are moved to support him with what means they have, then everywhere he meets “America”.

    There may not ever be a “majority that is ready”, but then, our Lord Jesus ran into the same problem 2,000 years ago as well, as His parable of the sowing of seeds illustrates, for example.

    “Christian America”, is a place in the heart, and we may be a minority for now, but in these particular times her destiny is to make a stand and cling tightly to the faith that is the size of the mustard seed.

    “Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wile of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

    Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

    Stand, therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness [of God]; and your feet shod with preparation of the gospel of peace: Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench the fiery darts of the wicked.

    And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; and for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel.” (Ephesians 6:11-19).

    When Brother Nathanael is in his own home neighborhoods, every day he goes out and puts forward the Gospel by holding aloft the glory of the Cross and to remind people of our love for Jesus Christ and His light, and His love for all of us. And as a truly patriotic American, he holds up the American flag as well to remind us of our patriotic duty to God, the Constitution and our country, and remind us of whom we are and our best cherished ideals and biblical foundations.

    Despite sometimes unpleasant incidents that he has reported, many in America (which is becoming a weird and spiritually strange place) are ready for a return to traditional virtues, conversion or find a strengthening of their faith. Many more are also happy to see BN, and welcome him back to places he has traveled to before.

    Everywhere he goes his Cross and his smile full of Christ’s love surely touches someone’s heart.

    So, America today is ready for Brother Nathanael who was called by the Lord from his life in a monastery, and he meets America in every person’s face that greets and welcomes him out on the street. How the Lord seems to be working through our dear BN is that he is like a pebble that is dropped into a pond, and then the water ripples out in wider and wider circles.

    Those who have “ears to hear will hear” the sounding wake up call, will answer to it and our Lord Who stands at the door and knocks at every human heart.

    The Apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians: “Therefore, seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; but have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’ conscience in the sight of God.

    But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believeth not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus’ sake.” (2 Cor 4: 1-5).

    I believe with my whole heart that Brother Nathanael walks as much as possible in this current spirit of the age in the courageous footsteps of the great Apostle Paul, only instead of making tents for a living as the Apostle did 2,000 years ago, BN unravels the lies and deceits of the satanic Zionist Jews and those caught in the kabbalistic sorceror’s trance.

    I humbly remind the thousands of RZN family not to leave it to someone else, and that we should try to materially support him from a willing heart as much as possible for his labors which he asks no salary for and sells no other products.

    Things are tight for a lot of people, but if there is something of a little personal luxury to give up such as movies, designer coffees and other entertainments, then surely the Lord will bless you if you give them up to help keep BN’s Evangelism on the streets and his labourous and painstaking articles for our Website.

    Or look at it this way, as long as BN and RZN can stay aloft, it endures as a great act of defiance by RZN family against the Powers that Be and their efforts to enslave us, especially psychologically and spiritually.

    May God bless America and our dear Brother Nathanael’s efforts both on the street and on this Site, and may the true Light of Christ shine upon all.

    KathJuliane

14. Dave October 13, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

    Your work is incredibly thorough, exhaustive and informative.

    I learn ten times the information from your site than from any other source.

    You deliver it in a well researched, simplified and efficient manner and get to the heart of the issue in ways that TV news would never dare.

    I’m no anti-Semite, but I am a student of history and I am aware of the tendencies of Jews to engage in tyrannical abuses once their power is consolidated.

    We can dislike Nazi’s without hating Germans, we can also dislike Zionists without hating Jews, but unfortunately the Lisbon treaty will conflate the two and create oppression and ironically, more anti-Semitism!

    I’ve sent you money in the past but times are lean now…

    I hope to send more someday.

    Thank you

15. enya October 13, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

    Poor, poor Ireland, they have voted for their enslavement.

    Nimrod (Tony Blair) will sit in his Tower of Babel in Brussels!!!

    It is so very sad that Ireland capitulated once more. They took on the Roman Church and lost the True Church of Christ and that was the doing of an English Pope (Adrian).

    Poor, poor Ireland!!!

16. Patrick Sullivan October 13, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

    Removing the power to issue of money from the Central Bankers is the way to regain freedom.

    There is no power more important than the Power of the Purse.

17. Al whorwood October 13, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

    Dear Brother Nathanael,

    Great report on Ireland.

    Dear BN and RZN, we need to support this site and never let it weaken.

    I’d like to consider My dollars to BN an investment in the future for all people on earth, excluding the Zionists.

    “WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP AND WE WILL NEVER BE SLAVES.”

18. KathJuliane October 13, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

    Greetings in our Lord Jesus, dear Sherwood Smith,

    I’ve spent most of the afternoon pondering your post and your very insightful observations about “the Jew”, specifically the European or Ashkenazi Jews. I believe it was in 1954 that the US census changed from recording the Jews as a separate race, but rather as an ethnic religious group categorized as “white”. And, because of how criminal statistics are skewed, almost always reflect Jewish criminality as “white”, nor does the mainstream Jewish owned media do anything but obscure and deflect any Jewish identity of a “white” criminal.

    I was struck by Ernst Zundel’s (God bless this man of peace and important suffering witness of our Zionist Jew and apostate ‘Judeo-Christian’ driven times) remark that there is another ‘holocaust’ or backlash against the Jews coming.

    Although I take all Judaism with a large dose of salt because of its inherent anti-Christian supremacism, still Mr. Zundel’s observations closely parallels the useful writings of the small minority of “Torah-true Jews” who very much say the same thing about the manipulation and abuse of their racial co-religionists, and who squarely put the blame on Zionism, Theodore Herzl and its history, and the danger to Jews in the Zionist fraud of Israhell:

    Here are some examples:

    http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/zionismpromotes.cfm

    TORAH TRUE JEWS: ZIONISM PROMOTES ANTI-SEMITISM

    Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained “we must, above all, make it an international political issue.”

    Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome “final solution of the Jewish question.” In his “Diaries”, page 19, Herzl stated “Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.”

    Zionist reliance on Anti-Semitism to further their goals continues to this day.

    Studies of immigration records reflect increased immigration to the Zionist state during times of increased anti-Semitism.

    Without a continued inflow of Jewish immigrants to the state of “Israel”, it is estimated that within a decade the Jewish population of the Zionist state will become the minority.

    In order to maintain a Jewish majority in the state of “Israel”, its leaders promote anti-Semitism throughout the world to “encourage” Jews to leave their homelands and seek “refuge”.

    Over the recent years there has been a dramatic rise in hate rhetoric and hate crimes targeted toward Jews:

    In Turkey…horrifying suicide bombings at two synagogues left 25 people dead and hundreds more injured.

    In Britain…Scotland Yard recently warned Britain’s Jewish Community that it faced imminent terrorist attacks after police spotted and questioned a group of “tourists” taking covert videotape of the Jewish community buildings in London.

    In France…a caution was issued after an arson attack gutted a suburban Paris Jewish school–the latest incident in a frightening wave of French anti-Semitism.

    BBC – UK: “In recent weeks, a poll for the European Commission suggesting that EU citizens see Israel as the biggest threat to world peace caused outrage among Israelis.”

    Anti-Semitic acts are on the rise across Europe and beyond. From Antwerp and London to Berlin and Istanbul, Jews are living in fear.

    On November 17, 2003 Zionist leader, Ariel Sharon, the Israeli prime minister, told Jews in Italy the best way to escape “a great wave of anti-Semitism” is to move and settle in the state of Israel. This has been the Zionist ideology from the beginning to the present time. “The best solution to anti-Semitism is immigration to Israel. It is the only place on Earth where Jews can live as Jews,” he said.

    …ZIONISM AND ANTI-SEMITISM
    It has been the age-old intention of Zionism to intentionally stir up anti-Semitism anywhere possible, and even more commonly, to take advantage of any Jewish suffering anywhere in order to enhance its cause.

    Indeed, hatred of Jews and Jewish suffering is the oxygen of the Zionist movement, and from the very beginning has been to deliberately incite hatred of the Jew and then, in feigned horror, use it to justify the existence of the Zionist state – this is, of course, Machiavellianism raised to the highest degree.

    Thus, the Zionists thrive on hatred and suffering of Jews, and seek to benefit thereby through keeping Jews in perpetual fear, causing them to ignore the true nature of Zionism, and instead to consider the Zionist state is their salvation.

    ANTI-SEMITISM BY POLITICAL ZIONISM
    Although Zionists and others dispute it, the undeniable fact is that revolutionary secular and apostate elements in the Jewish community in Europe contributed greatly to hostility towards Jews after World War I.

    This aroused hatred of Jews in general among many non-Jews. While a prisoner in 1924 in the fortress of Lansberg on the River Lech, Hitler wrote his Mein Kampf.

    When he became Chancellor of Germany in 1933, he was assisted by Goebbels, Roseberg and Streicher. From them came the declarations, “The Jews of Germany caused the defeat of Germany in the 1914-1918 war; the Jews of Germany were responsible for the terrible conditions in Germany that followed the war; the Jews of Germany are foreigners and they wish to remain foreigners; they have no loyalty to the country of their birth; they are not human; they are filthy dogs; they have no right to intrude into Germany’s affairs; there are too many Jews in Germany.

    As far as Zionism is concerned, the founder of Zionism and apostate, Theodor Herzl, sought to intensify hatred of the Jew in order to enhance the cause of political Zionism. Here are some of his “pearls”:

    “It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)

    Additional words from the vivid imagination of this dreamer, from p. 68 of Part I of his Diary.

    “So anti-Semitism, which is a deeply imbedded force in the subconscious mind of the masses, will not harm the Jews. I actually find it to be advantageous to building the Jewish character, education by the masses that will lead to assimilation.

    This education can only happen through suffering, and the Jews will adapt.”

    Hateful views of Jews as being subhuman did not have to be invented by Nazi theorists such as Hitler, Goebbels, Rosenberg and Streicher. This ideology was simply adapted from statements of political Zionists such as those found in the writings of the Zionist Yehezkel Kaufman in 1933.

    In 1920 there were statements hostile to Jews expressed at Heidelberg University. These statements, arguing that Jews of Germany had caused the turmoil that followed the war; that the Jews of Germany had nothing in common with Germans, and that Germans had the right to prevent the Jews of Germany from intruding into the affairs of their volk were not made by Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf, but by Nahum Goldmann, who went in to become the President of the World Zionist Organization and head of the World Jewish Congress, and, indisputably, the most influential political Zionist in the world, second only to the Prime Minister of the State of Israel.

    In 1921, Germans in Germany were told that:

    “We Jews are aliens… a foreign people in your midst and we… wish to stay that way. A Jew can never be a loyal German; whoever calls the foreign land his Fatherland is a traitor to the Jewish people“.

    Who spoke these vile words? It was Jacob Klatzkin, the second of two political Zionist ideologists in Germany at the time, where the Jews of Germany were enjoying full political and civil rights. It was he who had advocated undermining Jewish communities as the one certain way of acquiring a state. “They had no qualms concerning tearing down the existing Jewish communities.”

    Who spoke in a public address at a political Zionist meeting in Berlin and declared that “Germany… has too many Jews”? Was it Hitler or Goebbels? No, it was Chaim Weizman, later to become the first President of the State of Israel. This address was published in 1920, and, thus, four years before Hitler had even written Mein Kampf.

    How many Zionist Jews know of this vicious treachery uttered by these senior political Zionist leaders, these apostates from the Jewish People? At the Nuremberg Trials of Major War Criminals, Nazi propagandist, Julius Streicher testified: “I did no more than echo what the leading Zionists had been saying”, it is clear that he had told the truth.

    In addition to Hitler, Rosenberg, Goebbels and Streicher, many other Nazi leaders used statements from Zionists to validate their charges against the Jews of Germany. Such are the efforts of Zionist leaders to this very day to maintain a high degree of anti-semitism in order to enable them, in feigned horror, to then point to anti-semitism to support their idolatrous and anti-Jewish cause.

    In 1963, Moshe Sharett, then Chairman of the Jewish Agency, told the 38th Annual Congress of the Scandinavian Youth Federation that the freedom enjoyed by the majority of Jews imperiled Zionism, and at the 26th World Zionist Congress, the delegates were told that the Jew is endangered by the easing of anti-Semitism in the United States “We are endangered by freedom” he declared.

    As we stated earlier, Zionism thrives on anti-Semitism. Ben Gurion declared, “…not always and not everywhere do I opposed anti-Semitism”. Zionists regularly pull out their handy “anti-Semite” race card against anyone, Jew or non-Jew, who dares to speak out against the wickedness of Zionism. [End excerpts]

19. Zimbabalouie October 13, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

    The Zionist will never succeed in fomenting a pro-Jewish world. Though they have certainly changed the world to give the appearance of total Jewish supremacy, they fail in one important aspect. They forget that no hegemony, monarchy, etc. has ever survived.

    Eventually they will once again be cast aside and likely by their own creations.

    This planet is not ready for a single totalitarian rule and the Jewsish Zionist will fail as all others before them.

20. Joanne October 13, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

    Dear Brother Nathanael,

    An excellent article. The European Economic Community was planned in the highest levels of the secret societies. The Lisbon Treaty is a snare, a set up as we know it for Zionist Jews to have full control of Europe.

    M. Plantard, the Prieuré de Sion seeks a United States of Europe. Thomas Plantard de-Saint Claire (a Jew) is a possible candidate, known as the bloodline succession, who is under consideration to be the future Anti-christ.

    In fact, the idea of a United States of Europe recurs repeatedly in the pages of Vaincre [a resistance journal of the secret society Alpha Galates published between 1941-43 by Pierre Plantard, future head of the Prieuré de Sion].

    As early as 1846 the novelist Victor Hugo [Grand Master of the Prieuré de Sion 1844-85] was urging the governments of the main European powers to ‘form a fraternity of Europe.’ It is only since 1945, however, that the concept of European union has gained practical expression. The need to rebuild after the disaster of World War II and to ensure that such a conflict never occurs again has provided the impetus for a far closer degree of pan-European cooperation than had ever been known before.

    The basis of this cooperation lies in the Treaty of Paris of 1951. Signed by West Germany, France, Luxembourg, Belgium, Holland and Italy — ‘The Six’ — the treaty created the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC)… Six years later ‘The Six signed two further treaties in Rome, one creating the European Economic Community (EEC) — generally referred to as the Common Market — and the other the European Atomic Energy Community (EAEC).

    “…The idea of a United States of Europe…was also espoused by Winston Churchill who, in a speech on 19 September 1946 at the University of Zurich, declared that ‘We must build a kind of United States of Europe’. As early as October 1942, in fact, Churchill had written to the British War Cabinet: ‘Hard as it is to say now, I trust that the European family may act unitedly as one under a Council of Europe. I look forward to a United States of Europe.’

    The more mystical Ancient Order of Druids (who were Zionist Jews) also continued through the 19th century and into the 20th, claiming among its many members Winston Churchill (1874-1965), who was initiated into the Albion Lodge at Oxford.

    1918 – Treaty of Versailles, drafted by Rothschild agents, cripples German economy and prepares the way for Hitler.

    When Germany fell, not only did Rothschild agents draft the treaty, prepare the idea of the League of Nations, but Max Rothschild was one of 11 (note: occult numerology) men who took control over Bavaria. Max Rothschild was a Freemason in Lodge No. 11 (note: same number), Munich, Germany. Victor Rothschild, who worked for J.P. Morgan & Co., and was an important part of MI5 (British Intelligence).

    Victor Rothschild was also a communist and member of the Apostles Club at Cambridge. Lord Rothschild was one of the original members of Rhodes’ Round Table group which developed into the CFR. It was the Rothschilds who had financed Cecil Rhodes, beginning in Africa.

    The Treaty of Versailles nonnegotiable terms demanded the forfeiture of German colonies as well as a number of conquered or traditionally German lands: the dismemberment of the German military machine; the arrest of hundreds of German militarists and leaders as war criminals, including the German emperor Kaiser Wilhelm II; the granting of most-favored, nonreciprocal foreign commercial rights in Germany; and a certain amount of interim foreign occupation. The German leadership was to sign a hated statement of total war guilt.

    Additionally, Germany was to pay war reparations over the next two years of 5 billion gold marks and approximately 15 billion marks’ worth in cattle, timber and other barterable items. The Allies allowed no negotiation of Versailles’ oppressive terms and refused to lift the economic and material blockade until German leaders accepted what later German generations would call the Diktat.

    Two years later, the Allied Reparations Commission levied additional reparations of 132 billion gold marks. Such a monumental sum, payable in cash and goods, would be a garnishment for generations, a commercial enslavement that would hold Germany captive for fifty to a hundred years. Germany’s population, and indeed world leaders and historians, would later brand the Versailles Treaty as merciless and intolerable.

    Also…
    According to a CIA file, “The Trust” was a controlled opposition stealth operation whose purpose was “penetration and manipulation of anti-communist Russian groups in exile, from 1922 to 1927.” (United States. Central Intelligence Agency typescript: The Trust)

    The modus operandi of the Jewish Elders of Sion is to preempt their opponents by neutralizing any and all opposition to their schemes. For example, they neutralize opposition to Communism by posing as anti-Communists and, through the creation of front organizations, achieve control over genuine anti-Communists who might organize against them. A good example of this a controlled-opposition front is the John Birch Society, which was founded by Communists.

    The Kennedys visited Paris in May of 1961 and De Gaulle and Malraux made trips to the U.S. in 1962 and 1963. At the time, France was planning to develop their nuclear weapons program and this was an issue of contention between Presidents De Gaulle and Kennedy, who with Britain and the USSR had recently formulated the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. On October 7, 1963 Kennedy signed the Treaty, and the following month he was assassinated.

    God Bless all RZN readers.

    For the Lord has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of sound mind. [2 Timothy 1:7]

    Jesus loves you.
    Joanne

21. maria October 14, 2009 @ 12:35 am

    The Irish voting was a fraud.

    Look it up in google: Irish Lisbon Treaty vote fraud.

22. charlie October 14, 2009 @ 1:09 am

    The only way to defeat the enemy of mankind is through the powerful effect of combined prayer.

    Again mention must be made of the battle of Lepanto, the outcome of which was to determine the fate of Europe in another time, whether it was to fall to the Ottoman Turks or whether the Christian religion would remain unvanquished for another 500 years – until the present time when it is now once again facing complete ruin, and enslavement of the detritus.

    Catholic Europe rose to the fore in prayer, as up and down the coast of what is today modern Italy and elswhere in Europe the faithful flocked to their churches invoking the Mother of God in a continual recitation of the Rosary.

    No less the soldiers themselves comitting their victory to the power of the Cross through the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and fasting for three days, in response to the commander of the fleet, 24 year old Don John, before setting sail to meet the Turks, though primed for war, no less believed in the power of their own prayers to the Mother of God, kneeling on the decks and praying the rosary with that same fervour with which they would engage the enemy of the Cross in the battle just ahead.

    As they approached the Turkish fleet at the last moment before they should face defeat, the wind changed in their favour and victory, though the bloodiest at sea until the horrors of the 20th century 500 years later, nevertheless was theirs. Europe was safe from the banners of Islam.

23. charlie October 14, 2009 @ 4:32 am

    International Call for the Rights of the Human Person [including the unborn] and the Family.

    http://www.c-fam.org/campaigns/lid.2/default.asp

    Petition Drive for presentation to UN.

24. Jerry October 14, 2009 @ 7:46 am

    Dear Brother Nathanael,

    Can you explain briefly what the “times of the gentiles” means?

    Jerry.

25. apollonian October 14, 2009 @ 9:55 am

    Enlist The Children By Keeping It CONCRETE, Simple, Honest
    (Apollonian, 14 Oct 09)

    “Charlie”: I agree that prayer is useful and powerful, but this is mere self-programming and “psyching”–useful again, but not definitive.

    What’s definitive, regarding prevailing in present human predicament, is HUMAN REASON and thus being in accord w. God’s will–which of course, we’ll only finally know after-the-fact. For even human reason might not be enough at any given time, depending upon circumstances, we frail humans always requiring God’s grace for any success regardless of ANY effort we make.

    For prayer is ENTIRELY us “psyching” ourselves, never forget. God always listens in, no matter what we do, of course, but he’s never moved, God always perfect for deterministic resolution. But Christ, the Son, encourages us–encouraging us to encourage ourselves, this by that magnificent method of prayer–which is capable of defeating any other “psy-ops” campaigns by our Judeo-conspiratorial enemies.

    That’s where we get saying, “God helps those who help themselves.” And what we’ve got to do is to communicate w. fellows IN CONCRETE TERMS, not only in abstract intellect–that’s where Ron Paul, Tom Woods, and others fail so badly. For too few people appreciate intellect and abstracts. Too few people really thus appreciate Paul and Woods for their inability to be sufficiently CONCRETE. We must be CONCRETE, again.

    Hence then “Charlie,” we Christians and gentiles must heed to the ESSENCE of things regarding Jew monsters, conspirators, and anti-Christs, and keep it CONCRETE for easy understanding of our fellows: WHAT IS THE CRUX of practical, present-day Judeo-conspiracy?–we know they’re a bunch of consummate liars. But now what gives Jews their real, practical power?

    So aside fm the Jew lying in all its abstract sublimity (beginning in subjectivism and proceeding then for “moralism”/Pharisaism), we see the practical crux in CONCRETE terms, like I say: COUNTERFEITING–Jews and accomplices just BUY EVERYTHING IN SIGHT, ultimately, by means of their COUNTERFEITING scam/mechanism/operation, the US Federal Reserve Bank (Fed)–see RealityZone.com, TheMoneyMasters.com, and JudenFrei.org for expo/ref. Thus we live within a vast, nearly over-powering MAMMON-empire (“ZOG-Mammon”), where “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.”

    And note then, EVEN CHILDREN can understand COUNTERFEITING–thus if we work diligently, we can ENLIST the children to our cause, the children communicating w. other children, and all of them informing the adults closest to them.

    CONCLUSION: So that’s the ticket, comrade Charlie: keep it simple; keep it CONCRETE, it all following fm the greatest Christian virtue, HONESTY–which people will ultimately appreciate.

    Honest elections and Honest elections and replace the Fed with the US Treasury. Apollonian

26. AntiPharisee October 14, 2009 @ 11:38 am

    Apollonian wrote:

    “So aside fm the Jew lying in all its abstract sublimity (beginning in subjectivism and proceeding then for “moralism”/Pharisaism), we see the practical crux in CONCRETE terms, like I say: COUNTERFEITING”

    Apollonian, I wonder then if it would follow using the above as a guide, to use the concrete word CRIMINAL instead of the more subjective JEW???

    So how this would apply in the conspiracy of the “NWO” people to seek world domination and control is that we would arrest the worst criminals first even if that meant he was a non-Jew.
    If there’s a non-Jew out there that has committed crimes that are 10 times more than another criminal who is a Jew then we should expend efforts and priority to arrest the worst criminal first.

    That way we don’t have to figure out who calls themselves a Jew and who doesn’t, we are only interested in arresting criminals.

    Does this argument have any validity do you think Apollonian or other smart people who comment here? (like KathJuliane)

    I remember Johm Kaminski made a quote about Jews and Judaism when asked if it was a religion, he said, “No, I think they are a Club or Organized Crime Scheme masquerading as a religion”.

27. Fr. Joseph October 14, 2009 @ 1:04 pm

    Charlie, Apollonian,

    Sharing these thoughts of mine with both you to consider…

    Charlie, while is it absolutely commendable to refer to the Battle of Lepanto, October 7, 1571 (for others, a quick historical overview of that Battle here:

    http://www.ewtn.com/library/mary/olislam.htm

    please bear in mind that at THAT TIME, the Protestant Reformation had NOT YET totally torn apart the COMMON Religious CHRISTIAN Faith of the populations of entirely SOVEREIGN nation-states which made up ‘Catholic Europe’.

    Now then, with respect to the ‘alien pyscho-spiritual Allied Hordes’ who have ALREADY ‘LANDED’ on and all across these United States of America – please do understand that on account of the Protestant Reformation, the shattering, scattering, diluting, altering, ignoring and REJECTING of the Christian Faith, there is virtually NO CHANCE whatsoever of ‘mobilizing’ the populace of what is supposed to be FIFTY ‘SOVEREIGN STATES’.

    There is NO SUCH THING as any form or manner of ‘Religious’ or ‘Spiritual’ UNITY anywheres to be found in or amongst 300 million U.S. citizens.

    So we have to ‘Forget About It’ – this idea of inner vision-idea of assembling any sort of ‘Patchwork Allied Assembly’ to CONFRONT and CHARGE INTO our common malicious spiritual enemy’s ‘Fleets’.

    Of all the ‘bible-Christian’ congregations, denominations, sects and cults currently spread all across the USA, which one of their ‘pastors’ or ‘preachers’ or ‘denomimational leaders’ even MENTIONS or HONORS the Mother of God, the Blessed Virgin Mary? And how many of them even know how to say ‘The Rosary’?

    All of THAT to the whole lot of them is ‘PAPAL/ROMANISH NON-SENSE’!

    Now for you Apollonian, PRAYER is much, much more that simply one self ‘psyching oneself up’.

    In PRAYER – if our prayer is HONEST and ‘CONCRETE’ – we approach God in our self-awareness of our ABJECT ‘POVERTY’.

    We are ‘BEGGARS’ when we pray HONESTLY to and before God.

    We have ‘needs’. God is entirely Divinely Self-Sufficient.

    We are LACKING in knowledge, understanding and wisdom. God is Entirely OMNISCIENT.

    When confronted or confronting a PROBLEM or OBSTACLE for which we ourselves DO NOT have the ‘Answer’ or the ‘Solution’, we are WISE to turn to Him Who Knows All Things and to ASK HIM for His Divine Knowledge, Understanding and Wisdom in ‘What to DO?’

    And by His Holy Spirit, God pulls out either a Solitary, a Couple or Several ‘Divine Coins’ and He DROPS THEM the outstreched ‘begging hands’ of our MINDS.

    God shares HIS Divine Guidance by sharing with us His Divine Thoughts via His Holy Spirit.

    When GOD relays His Divine Thoughts with us by either common-spiritual-union in and with His Holy Spirit – OR – when God mades manifest His Divine Will via any manner or type of Supernatural Miracle – God EXPECTS us to take those Divine Helps SERIOUSLY and to ACT ON THEM.

    I believe such were His ‘Miracle of the Sun’ in Fatima, Portugal 1917 A.D. and the attending Messages and Instructions His Mother GAVE to the entire Roman Catholic Church – the Laity AS WELL AS the Church’s Ecclesiastical Hierarchy.

    If you want to be ‘CONCRETE’ about our contemporary global psycho-spiritual DILEMA of 2009 Anno Domini, they you have to do something ‘CONCRETE’ to get the Catholic Bishop of Rome likewise to do something ‘CONCRETE’…

    Get THE CATHOLIC BISHOP OF ROME to order the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to Christ Jesus’ Mother’s Immaculately Loving Heart!

    I believe THAT is the only – and mean “ONLY” way we are going to ‘Get Out Of This Fine Satanic Mess Our World Is In In This Year 2009 A.D.’

    – Fr. Joseph

28. A Man of peace October 14, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

    Happy past Birthday Brother Nathanael,

    Christ holding seven solar systems is no surprise, this confirms what I have always thought that Christ is the centre of creation, the incarnation of the Almighty.. the source that is all life. And so all that is vibrating with life has this connection to the centre, this universe of ours spirals in eternity and love is at the heart of ALL, without we know no life.

    It is very bad news concerning the Lisbon treaty, their ambitions are coming into fruition and it is disheartening. The only way the mass madness will ever end is when that source as written above is awakened in us all. They get away with control because we are divided.

    The prison will only exist so long as its inmates and wardens want it to.

    I hope some time soon the reconnection comes within us all, there will be a breaking point to how far they push and that will be the time.

    Take care Brother, and God bless.

29. admin October 14, 2009 @ 1:34 pm

    @ Jerry

    “Times of the Gentiles” is either from St Paul’s letter to the Romans in which he states that “blindness in part is the lot of the Jews until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.”

    Or it is from the Gospel of St Matthew in which our Saviour predicted the destruction of Jerusalem and its Anti Christ Jewish polity through the Roman forces described as “times of the Gentiles.”

    In both instances the Holy Orthodox Church teaches that the Jews and their Anti Christ propaganda, religion, and efforts have been superceded by the call of the Gospel in the New Covenant.

    Jews will come to Christ in every generation but Most of Them will be blinded until the fulness of the Gentiles comes in until Christ’s 2nd Coming. I am one of those Jews who have had my “blindness” removed by my being baptized into Christ.

    Those Jews who persist in their blindness in their war against Christ whether directly or complying with Jewish polity (NO JEW IS INNOCENT), will WAIL and LAMENT AND CAST THEMSELVES INTO HELL When The Messiah JESUS RETURNS TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD.

    Jews are Anti Christ. Jews are WICKED promoters whether directly or by silent compliance of Anti Christian purposes.

    Please stay tuned to more Real Zionist News articles as I EXPOSE THE WICKED JEWS!

    I DO NOT FEAR “HATE LAWS.” Christ PROTECTS ME!

    +Brother Nathanael Kapner
    Orthodox Christian AND
    Street Evangelist!

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31. apollonian October 14, 2009 @ 1:51 pm

    Christians Must Be Revolutionarily Oriented Upon Truth, Reason, Honesty, EXPLICIT “Anti-Semitism”
    (Apollonian, 14 Oct 09)

    “Anti-Pharisee”: Yes, I agree w. ur basic logic, I think. But u gotta understand the practical reality: Jews are most thorough-going SUBJECTIVISTS, hence moralist-Pharisaics underlying the more practical frauds, like COUNTERFEITING, this counterfeit conspiracy/network then the core of everything else to the actual, practical ZOG-Mammon empire-of-lies.

    Jews are also most sublimely organized and collectivistic, thus making them naturally dominant, versus more individualized, isolated gentiles, as for truly ORGANIZED crime, controlling finances. See Mike Collins Piper’s “The New Jerusalem,” and other works, confirming this Jew dominance of organized crime–there’s actually lots of material and documentation. Hank Messick is another notable author to ck.

    Thus for practical purposes, observe nothing will get done until and unless people start to break-out of this overall, general Jewified mentality which has been imposed upon our poor volk–esp. through the establishment “Christian” churches which have been taken-over by means of Jew financing, founded upon COUNTERFEITING, again.

    Observe now in Australia, Canada, England, France, and Germany, it’s explicitly illegal to “deny” the holohoax–this is literally the RELIGION OF LIES which is being imposed upon all the people of the world and USA too, now. Bro. Nathan himself has lots of material on this “hate-crime” legalism.

    Hence then, any actual criminal, whoever he/she may be, practices such criminality only under this over-all aegis of Judeo-conspiracy, in evermore EXPLICIT name of Jews, “Noahide Law,” etc., this all enforced and financed by means, ultimately, of that central, crux, core fraud of COUNTERFEITING, once again.

    Consider: any criminal, esp. topmost master arch-criminals (esp. politicians), could never even approach a successful, continuing, extended criminal career UNLESS they first were oriented to Jews at the very beginning and all along the way. Criminality is literally a Jew profession and occupation–Talmud teaches it–no one could possibly, conceivably out-do the Jews. Gentiles are mere “free-lancers” and “pikers” when it comes to criminality.

    Remove COUNTERFEIT conspiracy however, and the entire ZOG-Mammon imperialist structure necessarily collapses. But we need an explicit, overt, In-Ur-Face ANTI-SEMITIC Christianity to provide motive-force and inspiration to effect this anti-imperialism and anti-criminal conspiracy, as u rightly note.

    For note rational HATRED, reciprocal of love, is good and virtuous, serving a legitimate purpose. For it’s natural and logical to hate the anti-thesis of what u love. “Jew-Expulsion” then is the necessary theme, invoking first glorious Christian revolution of St. Constantine the Great in early 4th cent. Roman Emp.

    Further, it must be a RATIONALISTIC Christianity which rejects anti-reason, even if tolerating some mysticism for the stupid people of the world–for stupid people are NOT bad people, note (we seem to have a lot of them on this very blog).

    Hence then the FIRST specific targets must be the “Judeo-Christian” (JC–see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for expo/ref.) hereticalists who preach Christ was “Jew” (hence Talmudist). Christ was Galilean of Judean descent, “Judean” different fm Jew, only maybe 5-15% of Judeans at the time followers of Pharisees, the murderers of Christ.

    Jews (Talmudists) are NOT the heirs of Israelites according to St. Paul (Romans, chapt. 9), only Christians are heirs, Pharisees and Jews cursed and rejected by Christ (“ye vipers, ye serpents…”).

    CONCLUSION: So to sum up: (a) we must speak in CONCRETE terminology, (b) especially about COUNTERFEIT conspiracy/network/activity, the specific engine of Judeo-conspiracy and ZOG-Mammon empire-of-lies, and (c) we must emphasize the explicit, overt, and necessary ANTI-SEMITIC (anti-Talmudic) nature of Christianity–(d) esp. to those who profess to being “Christians,” (e) especially moreover, to present JCs who call themselves by various titles, “evangelicals,” et al. Most Catholics, I can personally affirm, are themselves subject to this apostate JC hereticalism, as “Vatican” is so dependent upon Jew financing.

    Thanks for ur query. Honest elections and Honest elections and replace the Fed with the US Treasury.

    Apollonian

32. Eternal Love October 14, 2009 @ 2:05 pm

    Thanks to our Brother for another Great article.

    Yes, our khazarik/fake/Jew brothers are going out of control, taking the role of GOD. They think they could enslave us, kill us, destroy our souls and we the people from all over the world will stay silent and happy, accepting readily their satanic agenda, religion, mediocrity, lack of morals, lies and other “virtues” they are “selling’ to us.

    I do not think it will happen. We will have a war( if it is necessary) (GOD’s will) but the humankind will not plunge in the eternal mud, lies, and eternal darkness.

    Two months ago I was praying hard and asking our Holy Father to show me the future of our world and my future. Actually I was just Begging Him.

    That night I had His answer, so to speak. I had a dream, not very pleasant but I will share it with you.

    I saw myself (in the dream) walking in the nearby park where I usually do my jogging. The weather was sunny, the sky silver-blue, a very nice day.

    Suddenly, the sky above me got dark covered with airplanes which arrangement looked very strange to me – several heavy/big warplanes and each of them surrounded by several smaller ones. Because I am not good at war stuff I asked some friends about that arrangement. They explained that this was the arrangement of war planes. The heavy warplanes were the bombers and the smaller were fighterjets.

    So, this was the dream that I received while praying for info on our future……

    I am entering 12 days of my Holy fasting, on hot water, vegetables, fruits, honey, and feel very well. At the beginning it was fasting for several days only but GOD wants me to extend to several weeks – about three…

    Could that be for some reason…?? I will ask later on. And He is helping a lot through the long fasting, otherwise I would not have been able to continue my very active and vibrant life. Just came back from my jogging 1:30 h.

    I hope some people here would take some fasting days for GOD and themselves. And the shortest pray I am saying while fasting and wish to recommend to other people is just repeating the word LOVE. In that way you could pray everywhere, while working, driving, studying, walking, jogging, etc.

    Lots of Love,

    Please, support our fundraising campaign to help the Noble efforts of our Brother to promote Christianity and Justice for All!!!

    Eternal Love

33. Eternal Love October 14, 2009 @ 2:09 pm

    Here we see our Putin – the alternative part to our satanic brothers. He is visiting China and on the pix you will see him in a Christian Church praying. He also said that China and Russia are peaceful countries and do not have military bases and soldiers in other countries.

    Putin visits China..
    http://www.kp.ru/daily/24376/557875/

    Another link where Putin defends Iran:

    Russia’s Putin warns against intimidating Iran

    “BEIJING (Reuters) – Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin warned major powers on Wednesday against intimidating Iran and said talk of sanctions against the Islamic Republic over its nuclear programme was “premature”.

    Putin, who many diplomats, analysts, and Russian citizens believe is still Russia’s paramount leader despite stepping down as president last year, was speaking after U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton visited Moscow for two days of talks.

    “There is no need to frighten the Iranians,” Putin told reporters in Beijing after a meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation.”

    http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-43160620091014

    Lots of Love,

    Please, support our fundraising campaign to help the Noble efforts of our Brother to promote Christianity and Justice for All!!!

    Eternal Love

34. Joanne October 14, 2009 @ 3:46 pm

    Hi Brother Nathanael,

    Your excellent explanation of the times of the Gentiles is detailed.

    It appears that the times of the Gentiles is about to come to an end…what do you think?

    Happy Birthday!

    Joanne

35. charlie October 14, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

    Apollonian you equate human reason with Gods will – which god are you referring to?

    You equate prayer with self conditioning – you have just blown your cover – for you have NEVER prayed!

36. charlie October 14, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

    Joseph,

    I was not talking about getting the whole 300 million Americans to storm heaven with their prayers but of the people reading that post some surely would pray and unite their prayers with Christians worldwide whom God has assembled as his faithful and true in the last days.

    You fail to see the working of God in our battle against Satan.

    You fail to see he has an army of warriors united the world over to defeat Satan in these last days.

    You fail to understand the power, will and omnipotence of God.

    You fail to understand Apocalypse in its entirety, because you do not acknowledge the sovereignty of God in our world as we enter the time of tribulation.

37. Fr. Joseph October 14, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

    Dear Apollonian,

    I think I’ve come to understand you emphasis on ‘CONCRETE’ vis-a-via ‘subjective mysticism’. Correct me if I am wrong.

    What you are saying “in other terms” is that our contemporary World’s psycho-spiritual, religious-theological NO-HOLDS-BARRED-FIGHT-TO-THE-DEATH Spiritual Struggle is

    ‘ESOTERIC doctrines’ vs. ‘EXOTERIC doctrines’.

    If what you saying is that HUMAN BEINGS have a Fundamental Choice – to adopt and LIVE by Divine Assertions and Declarations regarding His Own Reality and His Expressed Purpose for us in livng our lives within His Reality – OR – to submit to and slavishly wallow in the mire of demonic ‘suggestions’ and the entire array of demonic ‘tempations’ which play on the senses of the human body and upon the spiritual vices which can and do inhabit the inner spiritual natures of human beings the world over – then I can wholeheartedly agree with you.

    Hence, this global Spiritual Warfare being fought OVER the eternal destinies of these individual souls making up our current Human Race’s population DOES TAKE and DOES NEED ‘Concrete Action’ – and wishful thinking that ‘This Nightmare In Our Closet’ will GO AWAY if we but simply close our eyes REAL TIGHT and pull the cover OVER OUR HEADS simply ‘Ain’t Gonna Cut It!’

    And just as an Exorcist simply and entirely MUST RELY ON the Divine Powers of Chirst Jesus as THE LOGOS – He Who created ALL elemental and incarnate spirits – in order to EXPEL/CAST OUT these satanic elemental demonic spirits – the SAME ATTITUDE must be ours.

    We simply have this dire need for a ‘GLOBAL EXORCISM’ of our Human Race in our day and age with the World in its current satanic grasp and satanic controlling influence.

    Will the Bishop of Rome – in the Vatican – manage to issue his Ecclesiastical ORDER for the Bishops of our contemporary Catholic Church to perform IN UNISON this ‘Global EXORCISM of our World and the Human Race’ via the Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA per what I believe are the Mother of God’s 1917 A.D. Instructions?

    THAT still remains to be seen…

    – Fr. Joseph

38. charlie October 14, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

    To clarify, lest anyone think I am unduly harsh,

    Simply read Apocalypse 17:14:

    “these will battle with the Lamb, and they shall be conquered by the Lamb, because He is the Lord of lords, and the King of kings, AND THOSE THAT ARE WITH HIM, CALLED AND CHOSEN AND FAITHFUL, SHALL CONQUER THEM.”

    Does this not indicate then a worldwide army of God in the last days, united in the Holy Spirit?
    Its easy to understand….

    …. and what is their weapon and that bond to Christ as their leader in battle, but PRAYER!

    So let us not fear the enemy but rejoice, for the victory is assured.

    It may not be a worldly victory.

    It may not be an empiric victory but it is a victory none the less in Heaven and will stand when all else is as dross.

39. miranda October 14, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

    Yes, a unified Europe, a unitary government, makes it easier for the Jews to rule those once sovereign nations.

    Brother Nathanael, here, you explain those powers so well.

40. admin October 14, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

    Dear Joanne –

    The “Fullness of the Gentiles” is what St Paul speaks of in Romans Chapter 11.

    St John Chrysostom whose Homilies are online at the Nicene Fathers Series site, says that the “fullness of the Gentiles” is until the 2nd Coming and that “blindness IN PART” of the Jews will continue up until the 2nd Coming.

    But, he adds, that there will ALWAYS be a “REMNANT” of Jews (like myself) in every generation who will take on the name “Christian” through baptism and confession of faith and join the Church and repudiate their former Judaism – an ANTI CHRIST religion.

    St John Chrysostom also outlines some of this in his GREAT WORK: “Against the Jews” which is a series of FIERY Homilies he gave in the 4th Century in Antioch, Syria. (St John was of Syrian extraction, a true “Semite” NOT like the false Jews of today who are mostly Khazars and have NO semitic traits whatsoever.)

    Thus the Orthodox Church teaches that there is NO SPECIAL PLAN for the Jews but they MUST BECOME CHRISTIANS, Get Baptized, and join the Body of Christ like everybody else.

    There is no longer any categories or elite groups that serve to separate us: “There is no longer Jew nor Gentile, bond nor free, male or female, but a NEW CREATURE in Christ.”

    The “144,000” of the book of the Revelation of St John, is a figurative symbol for the “Christian Church,” as is obvious from the context in both passages. This is what the Orthodox Church Holy Fathers teach. It is all outlined in Nav Press’ “Ancient Commentary Series” and other Orthodox Christian Commentaries on the Apocalypse.

    With Much Love in Christ to you Dear Joanne, +BN

41. The Prodigal Son October 14, 2009 @ 10:09 pm

    Appollonian…

    Now you say we have a lot of stupid people on this blog ?!

    Well I guess we can all breathe a sigh of relief now… Appollonian has come to enlighten us all !

    You’ve got some audacity there, don’t you ?

    ~~~ ~~~ ~~~

    Dear KathJuliane,

    Hi, hope you’re doing well.

    I noticed your link to the ‘Jews Against Zionism’ website above… and your reference to ‘Torah true’ Jews.

    I just wanted to let you and all of the readership know that when these ‘Jews’ say ‘Torah true’…

    They DON’T mean the Pentateuch and the Old Testament, which is the written Torah !

    The ‘Torah’ they are referring to when they say, “Torah true” is the ORAL Torah ! – The ‘ORAL Torah’ is the TALMUD !

    So this is a deception… to give the impression that only the Zionist ‘Jews’ are evil, and the rest of the ‘Jews’ are innocent.

    The truth is (as Br. Nathanael says)… ALL ‘Jews’ are anti-Christ !

    Jew is not a race – it is a cult religion… and it is an individual choice for ‘Jews’ born into ‘Jewish’ families to either go along with the ‘Jewish’ agenda – or not.

    ‘Jews’ who choose not to go along with the program should stop calling themselves ‘Jews’ (Judahites)… because it is a lie – they are NOT ‘Jews’, and God knows.

    The only ‘Jews’ (as far as I know) that are true to the Old Testament and DO NOT
    adhere to the manmade doctrines of the Talmud are the Karaites, and they number less than 40,000 worlwide (excluding the Ethiopian ‘Jews’ – who had never even heard of the Talmud !).

    ~~~ ~~~ ~~~

    I have an open question for everyone…

    The ‘rabbis’ from ‘Jews Against Zionism’ DO NOT want to go to Israel.

    Why ?

    Because a parasite cannot survive without a host !

    Here is my question…

    If ALL ‘Jews’ were *FORCED* to go to ‘Israel’… wouldn’t that be a good thing for our nations if they were just GONE ?

    This is just hypothetical of course, but IF there was recognition of a Palestinian State, and the rest of the world got serious about stopping the genocide in Palestine…

    Why not just let the ‘Jews’ build the great wall of Israel, make them go there , and make sure they stay there ?!

    Isn’t this really all the Germans wanted with the ‘Final Solution’ ?

    To get all the fake ‘Jews’ OUT of their country – so they could be FREE ?!

42. Hoff October 15, 2009 @ 1:28 am

    “Obama: ‘I will sign it into law'”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj8Z-EByg7A&feature=player_embedded

43. Hello October 15, 2009 @ 4:28 am

    @ Apollonian

    “Jews (Talmudists) are NOT the heirs of Israelites according to St. Paul (Romans, chapt. 9), only Christians are heirs, Pharisees and Jews cursed and rejected by Christ (”ye vipers, ye serpents…”).”

    This is quite right and on the mark..which is why the Catholic Church when they say “Jesus was a Jew,”really need to qualify that for their own people and for the Jews too that JESUS WAS NOT A PHARISEE NOR A TALMUDIST–this distinction needs to be made by the Catholic Church and not said in a blanket way..

44. apollonian October 15, 2009 @ 10:44 am

    Dear, Magnificent Christianity Yet Has Most Practical Purpose–Understandable In Concrete Manner: Sublime “Anti-Semitism”.
    (Apollonian, 15 Oct 09)

    Fr. Joseph: u are excellent example of one of the problems for our culture as u make things sooooo needlessly complex–even though I tell myself ur heart is probably in right place.

    “Concrete” is simple philosophic term which denotes particular things of perception; that’s all–like ur left index finger, the keyboard upon which u type, etc., things u can visualize and pt. to.

    “Concrete” then is distinguished fm “Abstract” which is general thought or ideal of the mind–like “capitalism,” “free-enterprise,” “inflation,” etc.

    Thus concretes are easy to talk about for people and children–whereas abstracts most often require intellect, definition, and discussion.

    That’s why/how I was advocating for exposition of US Federal Reserve Bank (Fed), a literal criminal enterprise, to be done in most CONCRETE fashion–so people, all the people, EVEN CHILDREN, could understand it sufficiently–thus Fed is essentially COUNTERFEITING, and this is NO exaggeration.

    This (Fed) COUNTERFEIT scam/fraud then, is at the core of present ZOG-Mammon empire-of-lies, presently prosecuting Orwellian “perpetual war for perp. peace” as in Iraq and Afgan, etc., bribing and buying politicians, judges, bureaucrats, and especially then, even officials of the Catholic Church (“Vatican”), etc.

    And that’s how Christianity itself can also be understood in simplified, concrete manner: MOST SUCCESSFUL “ANTI-SEMITIC” program of all history, literally a gift of God, etc.

    Thus Christianity is actually a most brilliant and successful application of justified and rational human antipathy against one of the most horrific human afflictions, Jew parasite disease, lying, and self-deception, upon previously successful “prosperous” civilization which then suffered hubris and created an over-population problem for gentiles, Jew parasite disease-of-opportunity now taking advantage, feasting upon numerous victims in “Decline of the West,” by Oswald Spengler.

    And of course some, like Fr. Joe surely, would aver my above stream-lined understanding of Christianity as hatred is over-simplified–but at least it helps people to understand, in a CONCRETE way, the practical purpose of Christianity: most effective TREATMENT of Jew parasite disease.

    CONCLUSION: For verily I say unto u, without dear Christianity, that dread Jew problem cannot be solved by mere mortal humans–we needed the Son of God himself to come down to explain and demonstrate. Honest elections and Honest elections and replace the Fed with the US Treasury. Apollonian

45. Fr. Joseph October 15, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

    Dear Apollonian,

    There’s an old story about JESUS meeting a man who was crying at the side of the road. When JESUS asked what was wrong, the man replied that he could not see. So JESUS cured him.

    After a while, JESUS met another man who was crying. ‘I cannot walk,’ the man explained. So JESUS cured him.

    Then, JESUS met a third man who was crying. ‘I am a priest,’ the man said. So JESUS sat down and wept with him.

    Pope Benedict XVI tells us that a priest “faces his Master’s same fate.” Like Jesus, a priest experiences the world’s “incomprehension” of God, “indifference” toward God, and “rejection” of God.

    SACRED SCRIPTURE records what Biblical Scholars attribute to be the words and thoughts of the WISEST MAN who ever lived on planet earth – King Solomon – recorded by members of his court and/or councils:

    “This, however, you must know: I find God made man SIMPLE; man’s COMPLEX PROBLEMS are of his own devising.” – Ecclesiastes 7:29

    Apollonian, we are ALL created SIMPLE and ALL OF US just so happen to live, move and have our being in a ‘MUTLI-FACETED WORLD’.

    There is this ‘World’ our GOD has created with its manifold Divine Manifestations utilizing space-time-matter-energy.

    And then there is this ‘World’ OTHER members of our Human Race have assembled utilizing their ‘knowledge and undersanding’ of our Creator’s Creation – this ‘World’ entirely based upon but HUMAN CONVENTIONS.

    MANY of the multi-faceted MISunderstandings our Human Race has which Mankind ENFORCES, PROMOTES and causes to PROLIFERATE upon each other in this ‘World’ of assembled human CONVENTIONS is a central and pivotal reason ‘Why?’ is our World of 2009 Anno Domini so ROYALLY SCREWED UP!

    So unless people are TAUGHT, unless people are INFORMED, unless people are GIVEN AN OPTION to the manners, ways, modes and resulting outcomes of their individual and collective lives that result in a GOOD Result, then ALL of our individual and collective efforts to bring about ‘God’s Holy All-good Divine Will’ CONCRETELY made manifest for our entire Human Race are but attempts to get 50,000 HONEY BEES in their hive TO DO something that is entirely foreign to their honeybee INSTINCTS – like all dance and move in UNISON to some sort of Human musical tune, song or score.

    – More to follow…

    – Fr. Joseph

46. Fr. Joseph October 15, 2009 @ 2:40 pm

    Dear Apollonian,

    Now your concern about the false, deceptive, manipulative and counterfeiting ways of CENTRAL BANKERS and the GOVERNMENTS they control here all across our ROYALLY FOULED UP ‘World’ of 2009 Anno Domini, that just so happens to be ONE of the VERY SIMPLE PROBLEMS which comprise the seeming VERY COMPLEX ARRAY of ‘Problems’ of our Human Race living and savoring God’s Divine All-good Holy Will.

    But YOUR concern about ‘The Federal Reserve’ here in the USA is VALID, but if you bethink that it ENDS THERE – that these World-wide multi-faceted PROBLEMS are all going to ‘Go Away For Good’ simply becaue you GET RID OF ‘THE FED’ – then you’ve done our US nation and our entire Human Race a GREAT DISSERVICE!

    Mankind’s problem is a RELIGIOUS and THEOLOGICAL problem. Mankind either ACCEPTS our All-good God and use their free wills to FREELY obey God ‘out of LOVE for Him’, ‘out of LOVE of His All-good Divine Will’ and ‘out of LOVE for what He wants to see made CONCRETELY manifest’ here in this World of His Making – this ‘All’ in which we ALL move, live and have our being.

    Now then, if you DESIRE to help/assist your fellow US citizens and your fellow members of our Human Race the World over, you can decide for yourself ‘HOW BEST TO’ to EDUCATION, INFORM and WARN every one you meet in your daily walk-through-life here in this ‘All’ of our All-good God’s Creating and Sustaining with the ON-LINE INFORMATION contained in this one particular website/webpage:

    http://michaeljournal.org/whatsnew.htm

    – More to follow….

    – Fr. Joseph

47. Fr. Joseph October 15, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

    Dear Apollonian:

    We Human Beings ARE created in the Image and Likeness of our All-good God, Father and Creator in Heaven.

    WE are ‘conscious’ BECAUSE He is Omniscient.

    WE have ‘free will’ BECAUSE He is Omnipotent.

    WE have ‘being/existance’ BECAUSE He is Omnipresent.

    And here we ALL are all moving, living and having our being/existance on this SINGLE PLANET of His Creating.

    We ALL rely on His Gravity to keep us ‘glued’ to this planet.

    We ALL rely on His Sun to warm us, to allow us to USE these 6 billion pairs of HUMAN EYES to see with.

    We ALL rely on Him to keep the PROPER mixture of nitrogen-oxygen in this planet earth’s ATMOSPHERE the 6 billion of us BREATH every second of every day of our entire lifetimes.

    Now with this God-LIKE human consciousness, human free will and human presence on this planet earth of His Creating and Sustaining – each and every last one of us 6 billion human souls can ONLY DO three things with our entire lifetimes:

    We can ‘BE’. We can ‘DO’. And we can ‘HAVE’.

    Human History since the times of “Adam and Eve” has been, is and will continue to be nothing but Human Beings attempting ‘To Be’, attempting ‘To Do’ and attempting ‘To Have’. PERIOD!

    Now take out a map of the earth – a globe – whatever – ERASE the current ‘Political Boundaries’ which conviently ‘Carve Up’ the human race into neat ‘Bite Sized’ regions of human populations – an in order TO UNDERSTAND how all of those ‘Border Lines’ and ‘Political Boundaries’ came about, ya gotta understand but THREE CATEGORIES of Types of Human Beings employing their particular ‘Human Convention Vocation/Trade’

    1) There are ‘WORD CRAFTERS”
    2) There are ‘LEDGER KEEPERS’
    3) And there are ‘MYTH SPINNERS’

    The development of written language coupled with advances in math coupled with the envisioned ideas/internalized visions for WHAT the Human Race ought to do and HOW the Human Race ought to go about achieving that particular region’s amount of Human Beings IS what Human History all about and IS what is STILL GOING ON all over our contemporary World of SIX BILLION Human Beings ALL created in the Image and Likeness of our All-good God, Creator and FATHER in Heaven.

    Now our All-good God, Creator and FATHER in Heaven sent His Only Eternally Begotten Son JESUS, the Christ, God’s LOGOS into our World in utter chaos and utterly ‘gone beserk’ with the ever changing SWIRLING non-sensical thoughts-ideas of mere mortal mankind in order that He, JESUS, the Christ, God’s LOGOS, would show ALL OF US ‘the Way’ and ‘the Life’ to which our ALL-GOOD GOD desires us to achieve and obtain.

    In other words, JESUS was sent into our World of chockful of ‘Human Conventions Galore’ – such as ‘Empires’ and whatever else ya wanna throw into that mix – in order TO SAVE US from ourselves so as to RE-DEEM or ‘RE-SET’ us all onto the Divine Path of regaining and reestablishing GOD’S OWN ORIGINAL DIVINE INTENTION/DESIRE for His Planet Earth and for His Human Race.

    Now then, is that TOO COMPLICTED for you?

    – Fr. Joseph

48. Michael K. October 15, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

    Dear Apollonian,

    Materialism and Hatred are evident as themes in what you say, yet there is a way in which you explain their validity when seen through the lens of Christianity. I’ll agree that you make a logical argument: Christianity has in it the hatred of Jewish type evil. The argument is valid to the extent that it is true.

    But the crucial point of departure is that, while the Argument contains truth, the precepts of “perfect hatred” as a guiding model are Talmudic.

    The Messiah Christ said God is Love. He did not say “God is Perfect Hatred”. I take issue with the whole notion that you can substitute hatred as the guiding principle and still be talking about Christianity. You profess to hate something Christians normally hate, but shared hatred is a really borderline way to describe the whole faith.

    Another valid argument you make is the COUNTERFEITING argument. Yet your trying to logically deduce that abstraction doesn’t affect anyone’s life by altering outcomes is a flawed argument, or let’s say you fail to really prove the premise. And it’s almost as if you would have to admit that proving a negative is impossible.

    That’s why I disagree with that portion. But overall you are pointing out the real criminal enterprise in our midst.

    I wonder if you have any thoughts on Basel 2 in Switzerland where, as Joan Veon reports, the whole unified world financial apparatus over and above the Federal Reserve was given shape and brought to reality.

    Hence where shall it be, as you are aware of it, that their next move is coming from? The Federal Reserve, Basel, Brussels? Is the Fed the lesser center of gravity, and is it to be sacrificed with the dollar?

49. Mr. Dickie Pope October 15, 2009 @ 3:57 pm

    …’In PRAYER – if our prayer is HONEST and ‘CONCRETE’ – we approach God in our self-awareness of our ABJECT ‘POVERTY’.

    We are ‘BEGGARS’ when we pray HONESTLY to and before God.

    We have ‘needs’. God is entirely Divinely Self-Sufficient.

    We are LACKING in knowledge, understanding and wisdom. God is Entirely OMNISCIENT.

    When confronted or confronting a PROBLEM or OBSTACLE for which we ourselves DO NOT have the ‘Answer’ or the ‘Solution’, we are WISE to turn to Him Who Knows All Things and to ASK HIM for His Divine Knowledge, Understanding and Wisdom in ‘What to DO?’

    And by His Holy Spirit, God pulls out either a Solitary, a Couple or Several ‘Divine Coins’ and He DROPS THEM the outstreched ‘begging hands’ of our MINDS.’

    ….. ‘God EXPECTS us to take those Divine Helps SERIOUSLY and to ACT ON THEM.

    I believe such were His ‘Miracle of the Sun’ in Fatima, Portugal 1917 A.D. and the attending Messages and Instructions His Mother GAVE to the entire Roman Catholic Church – the Laity AS WELL AS the Church’s Ecclesiastical Hierarchy.

    If you want to be ‘CONCRETE’ about our contemporary global psycho-spiritual DILEMA of 2009 Anno Domini, they you have to do something ‘CONCRETE’ to get the Catholic Bishop of Rome likewise to do something ‘CONCRETE’…

    Get THE CATHOLIC BISHOP OF ROME to order the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to Christ Jesus’ Mother’s Immaculately Loving Heart’….

    Hardly, Father Joe, does Our Father ask his Son to come to Him as a ‘beggar’ even if he be a prodigal son, as I and many others are! Had Our Lord wanted us to have that kind of a relation with His Father who becomes Our Father through His will He would have signified that with a precise prayer to that effect.

    ‘Humility’ is the beginning of all virtues, as is a healthy ‘Fear of The Lord’. This is a far cry from ‘beggar’.

    We are ‘wise to go to Him for our needs hoping that he will answer our prayers as He sees fit and as Jesus taught us to hope in his goodness to that effect.

    Though I agree that Our Lady of Fatima wanted all members of the church to confirm their lives to her requests, including the ‘First Saturday Obligations’ only the heirarchy was COMMANDED to do the CONSECRATION. No mention was ever stated, that I know of, from Sister Lucy:’If only the laity will respond then the heirarchy will obey.’

    Seems like a classic case of the ‘cart before the horse’.

    Yes, had the laity acted as leaders through the Holy Spirit and complied with the first Saturday request in huge numbers, they may have either petitioned the heirarchy or shammed and embarrased them into acting in OBEDIENCE to an officially approbated confirmed vision.

    This unfortunately has not happened.

    To counsel someone to ‘get the Catholic Bishops of Rome to do something ‘Concrete’ seems absurd. To hope or pray for that purpose may be meritorius and loving and productive, yet it is not within any of our abilities to accomplish. We don’t pray to Our Lady of Frustration. Do we?

    Furthermore, I thought ‘Rome’ the city only has one bishop. All the others are in the sovereign nation of the Vatican.

    One should be careful not to give credence to the apostate Church of England and their misuse of the term ‘catholic’; which they are not!

    Maybe OUR LADY of WALSINGHAM will hear my prayer for the ‘Jolly Palmer’ and somehow miraculously interweave, as only She can, The Light of Catholicism back on that depraved Nation and work the ‘WONDER of FATIMA’ alongside it.

50. charlie October 15, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

    Appollonian,. and others.

    Psalm 144 (145)
    All look to you for help, Lord; you are near to all who call on you.
    The Lord is faithful in all his words,
    the Lord is holy in all his deeds.
    The Lord supports all who are falling,
    the Lord lifts up all who are oppressed.
    All look to you for help,
    and you give them their food in due season.
    In your goodness you open your hand,
    and give every creature its fill.
    The Lord is just in all his ways,
    the Lord is kind in all that he does.
    The Lord is near to those who call on him,
    to all those who call on him in truth.
    For those that honour him,
    he does what they ask,
    he hears all their prayers,
    and he keeps them safe.
    The Lord keeps safe all who love him,
    but he dooms all the wicked to destruction.
    My mouth shall tell the praises of the Lord.
    Let all flesh bless his holy name,
    for ever and ever.

    you seem to be struggling with your faith. Hope the above helps.

51. apollonian October 15, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

    Practical, Effective ACTION Is Best Christianity, Honest And Informative
    (Apollonian, 15 Oct 09)

    Christ is TRUTH (Gosp. JOHN 14:6); hence greatest Christian ethical virtue is HONESTY, and it is just honest and fair dealing to treat with anti-Christ, anti-human Talmudic monsters who have now murdered over a million in Iraq, and thousands elsewhere, including in USA on 9-11.

    And it’s practical Christianity in action to look after Christ’s lambs to effect Jew-Expulsion in imitation of St. Constantine the Great.

    And don’t forget it’s Christianity as it practically does, as against infernal Jew monsters, that it is judged and viewed by the people.

    So I’d say best immediate activity would be in emulating Pastor Carlson of Whtt.org who demonstrates at “Judeo-Christian” (JC) hereticalist places and churches, esp. on Sundays. It would be good to get neat videos too for all the action and preaching that takes place at such demos.

    CONCLUSION: Christian soldiers gotta get it OUT of people’s heads that Christ was “Jew” (hence Talmudist), or that Jews are proper followers of Israelites, which they’re not. These JCs then are the real, immediate WEAK-POINT for large Judeo-conspiracy, never forget. Honest elections and Honest elections and replace the Fed with the US Treasury. Apollonian

52. Fr. Joseph October 15, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

    Dear Mr. Dickie Pope,

    While we do NOT pray to ‘Our Lady of Frustration’, the Mother of God DOES hold the Title ‘Our Mother of SORROWS’.

    Regarding being ‘beggars’…’Blessed are the POOR IN SPIRIT’. If we think we are ‘Know-It-Alls’ and we can ‘Do-It-All-By-Myself/Ourselves’ and if we think we ‘Know Better Than God’, then we are NOT living the spiritual virtue of HUMILITY.

    If we think we ‘Know Better Than God’ regardless of how ‘devout’ and ‘religious’ we bethink ourselves to be, then we’ve either unwittingly or deliberately slipped into a ‘holy facade version’ of PRIDE.

    And we ARE to be ‘beggars’ before our God and Father in Heaven. As THE LORD Himself taught:

    Which of you FATHERS would give YOUR son, daughter, children A SCORPION when he, she or they ASKED for AN EGG!

    ALL children wind up BEGGING their mothers and fathers. I see it EVERY DAY here in New Jersey at ANY of the manifold types of stores.

    ‘Mommy! Mommy! Can I have these CUPCAKES?’

    ‘Dad! Dad! Can I have this plastic toy?’

    Then SIX BILLION human beings – ALL spiritual children of GOD THE FATHER – can very well mimick their behavior

    ‘ABBA! ABBA! Can we have WORLD PEACE?’

    Now then, which ‘FATHER’ would DENY something GOOD, WHOLESOME and VITALLY NECESSARY for their own children’s welfare, well-being, health and happiness here ON EARTH?

    The Bishop of Rome is called ‘The Pope’, which derives from ‘Papa’ which, in turn, derives from ‘Abba’ – a word CHRIST JESUS Himself used in addressing HIS OWN Eternal and Divine Father in Heaven.

    Hence, ‘Abba’, ‘Papa’, ‘Pope’ results in the Catholic people of our World referring to the Bishop of Rome as ‘THE HOLY FATHER’.

    Will our ‘HOLY FATHERS’ of our Catholic Church – continue on DENYING the 1 billion or so CHILDREN of Mother Roman Catholic Church and the rest of the 5 billion ‘orphaned children’ – will they CONTINUE TO DENY all of God’s Own spiritual children all across our planet earth WORLD PEACE?

    Which ‘Father’ amongst us would PERMIT, SANCTION and ALLOW one’s own children to be BRUTALIZED and KILLED and STARVED day in and day out?

    I hope BOTH ‘The Holy Father’, our ‘Pope’ and ALL OF THE PATRIARCHS of the Roman Catholic Church all across our contemporary World HOLD that particular word-image in THEIR minds and hearts.

    So, yes, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of the Church Militant here on earth – yes – she truly IS

    ‘Our MOTHER of SORROWS!’

    After all, which earthly MOTHER would not be in GREIVIOUS SORROW while her children’s FATHERS continue to allow and PERMIT her sons, daughters and childrens to be SUBJECTED TO such cruel treatment?

    I, for one, truly DESIRE to see ‘Satan’s and His Seen and Unseen Gangs’ CRUSHED once and for all.

    But I’m NOT ‘The Pope’ of the Catholic Church Militant here on earth!

    – Fr. Joseph

53. Dan Tanner October 15, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

    Greetings & Happy birthday † Brother Nathanael †…

    Greetings sisters & brothers …

    In response to @The Prodigal Son, with the question of …

    “If ALL ‘Jews’ were *FORCED* to go to ‘Israel’… wouldn’t that be a good thing for our nations if they were just GONE ?”

    Yes, that could/would be true … but perhaps, more explanation can be found within your intro …

    “Because a parasite cannot survive without a host !” … Note that, these days the parasite has some of the nastiest weapons in existence. Ever wonder why Israeli/US war crimes continue? In my opinion, it is because they can (i.e. ‘yes they can’) & there isn’t much the rest of the world can do about it.

    While trying to remain realistic, it is not that difficult to imagine that the parasite has become even more powerful then the host itself (hence we have some serious problems on the horizon). The Zionists of this world quite literally have guns pointed to the heads of ‘the good guys’ (I tend to see it like fighters that have each other by the throat … & it will not be long now, before … they all pass out).

    As the world comes crashing down around us … we are left with (thesis – antithesis = synthesis) the options they present … or … an extraordinary opportunity … in our own making … what we want in our hearts, a ‘real’ change & all we have to do is, stand up & unite, then demand/make it so.

    By definition, the parasite need us & they probably know that better then most (at times I am inclined to think Jews are a smart bunch, but their constant feeding off/parasitic behavior suggests that they are severely lacking in any positive creation of their own … so, how smart is that?).

    Earlier I dropped a link to a video that talks about the following scenario – the wall … a sense of false peace with Israel, then problems … then bam … a thermonuclear temper tantrum by you-know-who. I do not pretend to understand why Israel is referred to as an object lesson by god for man (in the video). Perhaps my definition of god is insufficient to comprehend such. Yes, we will have to deal with Israel … but very delicately. They seem to have some pretty serious Armageddon ambitions.

    Here is the link again … … for your consideration … Dr Bill Deagle (perhaps you have heard his radio shows where he makes a pretty darn good case AGAINST GETTING THE FLU SHOT!!!)

    Dr. Bill Deagle talks about Israel (as well as many, many other things – truly mind blowing), the signs to look for, & how WWIII could come about … a highly recommended video (3 parts) …

    Bill Deagle : Prognosis for Planet Earth – Vista, California, September 2008
    http://www.projectcamelot.org/bill_deagle.html

    – – – – –

    On a side note, I wish to apologize to @Hoff, for this statement – “try to always look on the bright side of life”. I have since realized that glossing over the reality of the situation, is in fact, cruel. When people get hurt or die … we need to acknowledge the pain plainly without suggesting it doesn’t exist or wishing it away. All truths need to come forth … both “good & bad”. Frankly @Hoff, it was the “BS” statement that set me off. Sorry about that. I’m still honing my spiritual etiquette (& it’s definitely a work in progress).

    – – – – –

    Earlier I had jokingly mentioned ‘dem Jews’. I wish to amend that to … ‘dem acting Jew puppets’. Supplementary: The ancient sunset symbol is known as the ‘dawn of a new day’. Many, if not all, dictators have been framed with such a symbol. Does ‘dawn’ mean, man, Christ or truth … if so … (censored).

    – – – – –

    @Apollonian, so we are stupid now & whatever? I suppose that is better than Enlisting The Children. I can hardly wait to see what you come up with next.

    It is said that paranoid schizophrenia is untreatable by psychologists. They just become better paranoid schizophrenics (despite treatment they still have to accept help).

    Have a great day everyone … Take care (& rally together AGAINST THE FLU SHOT).

54. charlie October 15, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

    Prayer request today on another website:

    Deano Kinkaid, married, 23, children, beautiful wife, soldier in Iraq.

    Was given the swine flu vaccine and is deathly ill with a 105 degree temperature and has been put in quarantine.

    Please pray for a speedy recovery in the Holy Name of Jesus!

55. Eternal Love October 16, 2009 @ 8:49 am

    Let us pray for this lady as well. She needs our sincere prayers.

    We also should be careful with the seasonal flu vaccine and do not take it.

    I read most of the Russian students in colleges, universities, etc. had refused to get the pig vaccine shot.

    Woman Says Flu Shot Triggered Rare Disorder

    “ASHBURN, Va. (WUSA) — Many of you have been lining up to get the seasonal flu shot. But there is one Ashburn woman who wants you to hear her story before you do.

    Desiree Jennings is trapped in her body. Intellectually she’s all there, but her muscles are fighting each other. She’s been diagnosed with dystonia, an extremely rare and debilitating neurological disease.

    She says after taking the seasonal flu shot she witnessed her body’s rapid decline. She doesn’t know what else it could be but she has serious questions about the seasonal flu shot. The Centers for Disease Control cannot comment on her case.

    Desiree was a healthy 25-year-old up until two months ago, working at AOL and as a Redskins cheerleading ambassador

    But her world has now been turned upside down.

    Desiree has trouble talking and speaks in a staccato rhythm.”

    http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=92345&catid=158

    Lots of Love,

    Please, support our fundraising campaign to help the Noble efforts of our Brother to promote Christianity and Justice for All!!!

    Eternal Love

56. Fr. Joseph October 16, 2009 @ 9:29 am

    The following ‘Spiritual Intelligence Quiz’ is for all of you who are NOT devout, religious or in any manner, shape or form interested in RELIGIOUS, SPIRITUAL and THEOLOGICAL things whatsoever.

    I encourge all of you NOT devout, spiritual, religious – or even relatively MORAL – to take the following ‘Spiritual Intelligence Quiz’:

    1. A VAMPIRE is running amock in your town and terrorizing everyone. What do you DO?

    A) Get a wooden stake, open the Vampire’s casket during the day and drive the wooden stake into its chest and heart, or
    B) Remain being ‘A DORK’ uttering ‘Duh’ all day and night long.

    2. A Werewolf is running amock in your town and terrorizing everyone. What do you DO?

    A) Melt down a small silver Crucifix, cast the silver in bullets, load a gun, and fire these silver bullets into the Werewolf, or
    B) Remain being ‘A DORK’ uttering ‘Duh’ all day and night long.

    3. The Frankenstein Monster is running amock in your town and terrorizing everyone. What do you DO?

    A) Assemble the Elders of your town, arm them with pitchforks, shotguns and torches, locate which Flour Mill the Frankenstein Monster is holed up in and SET FIRE to the Flour Mill, or
    B) Remain being ‘A DORK’ uttering ‘Duh’ all day and night long.

    4. The ZOMBIES from ‘The Night Of The Living Dead’ are running amock in your town trying TO EAT everyone. What do you DO?

    A) Load your guns and BLOW THEIR BRAINS OUT, or
    B) Remain being ‘A DORK’ uttering ‘Duh’ all day and night long.

    5. You work at a Nuclear Power Generating Plant. Your Control Panel is flashing a RED warning light while an AUDIBLE warning blares out ‘Reactor is running away!’ What do you DO?

    A) LOWER the Graphite Control Rods into the Nuclear Reactor, or
    B) Remain being ‘A DORK’ uttering ‘Duh’ all day and night long.

    6. You are a pilot aboard a Boeing 777 carrying 350 passangers, flying on a very dark night in heavy clouds. Your on-board Terrain Collision Aviodance System (TCAS) starts audibly BARKING at you ‘TERRAIN! TERRAIN! PULL UP! DON’T THINK! PULL UP!’ What do you DO?

    A) Pull the control yoke back towards you in order to point the nose of the Boeing 777 UP and into A CLIMB, or
    B) Remain being ‘A DORK’ uttering ‘Duh’ all day and night long.

    7. You are in a BURNING BUILDING. Just behind you is a RED BOX which says ‘In Case Of Fire, Pull Handle To Break Glass’ What do you DO?

    A) Pull on the HANDLE of this RED BOX thus breaking the small pane of glass which releases a spring loaded metal plunger which activates the FIRE ALARM at the neighborhood Fire Department just down the road, or
    B) Remain being ‘A DORK’ uttering ‘Duh’ all day and night long.

    8. You are Cadet Kirk at Star Fleet Academy. You want to beat the ‘Kobiashi Maru’ computer simulation EXAMINATION programmed in such a way that you CANNOT WIN. What do you DO?

    A) Rewrite the ‘Kobiashi Maru’ computer simulation program so as TO ALLOW YOU to win, or
    B) Remain being ‘A DORK’ uttering ‘Duh’ all day and night long.

    9. You are JOHN WAYNE, famous USA Western Cowboy MOVIE HERO, riding your horse in a Hollywood Western Movie. An unmanned runaway stagecoach FILLED with about six GORGEOUS WOMEN screaming and crying ‘Help!’ goes whizzing by you. What do you DO?

    A) Dig your spurs into the hindquarters of your horse, yell ‘Giddi-Yap!’, race your horse next to the team of horses on the runaway stagecoach, leap aboard the stagecoach, climb into the driver’s seat, grab onto the control reins of the stagecoach’s team of runaway horse, yank back on the reins holding them close to you while yelling to the horse ‘WHOAAA!’ thus saving the stagecoach from going over the upcoming edge of the cliff thus gaining for yourself the AFFECTIONATE GRATITUDE of the GORGEOUS WOMEN aboard the stagecoach, or
    B) Remain being ‘A DORK’ uttering ‘Duh’ all day and night long.

    10. You are a Human Being on Planet Earth. SATAN tells Pope Leo XIII that he intends to destroy THE CHURCH and MANKIND. The Mother of God tells the Bishops of the Church to perform a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of the nation of RUSSIA. What do you DO?

    A) Inform the Pope to get the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of Russia DONE, or
    B) Remain being ‘A DORK’ uttering ‘Duh’ all day and night long.

    ‘Spiritual Intelligence Quiz’ grading

    If you chose answer “A” all in all of the Ten Questions of this Quiz – then GOD HIMSELF can surely use to in order TO SAVE the entire Human Race and our Planet Earth from SATAN, his unseen legions from Hell and his currently allied and cooperating human beings RUINING your lives, your nations and your LIFE here in this year of 2009 Anno Domini.

    The Pope’s e-mail address:

    benedictxvi@vatican.va

    – Fr. Joseph

57. Mr. Dickie Pope October 16, 2009 @ 11:34 am

    Father Joseph ,

    I’d get sarcatic with you, but have no desire to do so!

    Touches on why so many don’t want to be barked at by a One, Holy, Catholic & Apostolic priest of Jesus Christ Crucified; especially after so many PROFOUND ACTS of mortal sinning and non-repentance done by those in authority over the past 4 decades in said church; via PRETENSE of GREATER CHARITY, aka ecumenism and FAVORITISM shown certain groups.

    You make a non-sequitor regarding my position as you state:

    ‘If we think we ‘Know Better Than God’ regardless of how ‘devout’ and ‘religious’ we bethink ourselves to be, then we’ve either unwittingly or deliberately slipped into a ‘holy facade version’ of PRIDE.’

    There is no pretensions on what was written by yours’ truly, as to the opinion stated on previous post. No mention of ‘Almighty God’ was questioned in my post to justify your statement.

    Our Lady of Sorrows is not Our Lady of Beggars! (Does your ‘pride’ allow you to think this title has never been shown to me?)

    Though, through the Church authority, someone may be granted that title.

    That would be OK to this author as ‘my pride’ submits to Christ’s authority in his Pontifex Maximus or ‘The Holy Father’ when they act in accordance with their positions and jurisdiction!
    Recall the apostles were in agreement to ‘leave the converted gentiles alone’ provided they stopped doing certain pagan practices.

    Additionally, when the apostles asked Jesus to rebuke someone who was not under their direct authority to be silenced, Our Lord said no, and gave the reason for that ‘liberty.

    I don’t have to interact with that part of the church or concern myself with it. That’s not pride ; THATS A RIGHT!!!

    You may see begging in your walk; others have walks too, and crossing certain lines in criticism is itself ‘FALSE PRIDE’.

    In a positive light you are making a round about argument for many of these prelates to be called ‘FALSE POPES’ or false prelates. There have been plenty of them in the church history, albeit ecclesiastical Freemasons notwithstanding.

    Disobedience on this scale makes a strong statement in and of itself.

    Reflect on what Fr. Malachi Martin wrote regarding sede vacantism. He deferred to the proper authorities to make that call, and hence remained quiet on the issue.

    There is no final pronouncement by me; so I submit to those who will be more qualified for that assignment.

    With that said, we are all CONFIRMED under the Seal of the HOLY GHOST at CONFIRMATION. Continued education is obligatory. Yet, only those in their positions of responsibility and authority have the ‘RIGHT’ to be at the helm. (Is that pride?)

    Those who overstep their bounds in any walk of life are perhaps guilty of ‘false pride’ as well as not minding their own business and ‘INTRUDING on others rights!

    When that happens, those that are guilty of that lose influence under humility henceforward.

58. apollonian October 16, 2009 @ 12:50 pm

    Fr. Joe Must Be More Practical, Down-To-Earth Effective
    (Apollonian, 16 Oct 09)

    Fr. Joseph: u must be more practical in svc to God and Christ.

    Therefore quit speaking this absurd abstract crap about “satan,” and start doing something in way of practical, “concrete” anti-semitism (anti-Talmud)–AGAINST JEWS.

    CONCLUSION: Emulate dear Pastor Carlson of Whtt.org and demonstrate in front of “Judeo-Christian” (JC) places with effective, explicitly anti-semitic signs and preaching. Honest elections and Honest elections and replace the Fed with the US Treasury. Apollonian

59. Dan Tanner October 16, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

    For what it is worth @Fr. Joseph, I thought you nailed it with this analogy …

    8. You are Cadet Kirk at Star Fleet Academy. You want to beat the ‘Kobiashi Maru’ computer simulation EXAMINATION programmed in such a way that you CANNOT WIN. What do you DO?

    A) Rewrite the ‘Kobiashi Maru’ computer simulation program so as TO ALLOW YOU to win, or
    B) Remain being ‘A DORK’ uttering ‘Duh’ all day and night long.

    Have a great day everyone … Take care (& rally together AGAINST THE FLU SHOT).

60. Fr. Joseph October 16, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

    “My People PERISH for lack of knowledge.”
    – Prophet Hosea – Hosea 4:6

    ‘…Christian pastors, bishops and priests will become vain men, completely failing to distinguish the right-hand way from the left…At that future time, due to the power of such GREAT CRIMES (Br. Nathanael has publicized SOME of those GREAT CRIMES) and licentiousness, PEOPLE will be deprived of the Grace of the Holy Spirit, which they received in Holy Baptism and equally of REMORSE.’ – from
    http://www.fisheaters.com/nilus.html

    “Why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord’ and NOT DO what I say?…But the one who listens and DOES NOTHING is like a man who built his house on soil, with no foundations: as soon as the river bore down on it, it collapsed; and what A RUIN that house became!”
    – Jesus Christ – Savior & Lord – Luke 6:46-49

    “THE CHURCH names the sixth Deadly Sin ‘Acedia’ or SLOTH. In the World it calls itself ‘Tolerance’; but in Hell it is called ‘Despair’. It is the sin which believes in NOTHING, cares for NOTHING, seek to know NOTHING, interfers with NOTHING, enjoys NOTHING, loves NOTHING, hates NOTHING, finds purpose in NOTHING, lives for NOTHING, and only remains alive because there is nothing it would die for. We have known it far too well for many years. The only thing perhaps that we have not known about it is that it is MORTAL SIN.” – Dorothy Sayers – ‘Creed Or Chaos?’

    “WHAT IS YOUR OPINION? A Man had two sons. He went and said to the first, ‘My boy, you go and work in the vineyard (the World) today.’ He answered, ‘I will NOT go’, but afterwards thought better of it and went. The Man then went and said the same thing to the second who answered, ‘Certainly, sir’, but did NOT go. WHICH of the two sons did the Father’s Will?” – Jesus Christ – Gospel of St. Matthew, Matthew 21:28-32

    E-mail the Pope, the Catholic Bishop of Rome, insisting that he order the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of Russia per Our Lady of Fatima’s 1917 A.D. Instructions

    benedictxvi@vatican.va

    – Fr. Joseph

61. Fr. Joseph October 16, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

    Dear Mr. Dan Tanner,

    Thank you for your supportitive comment!

    Right now, as we ‘speak’, the Globalists, Transnationalists, the Zionists, the New World Order-One World Government types all across our contemporary World have ‘Written The Current We-Win You-Lose Program’ for the rest of us ‘non-Elites’ who make up the rest of the 6 billion human beings living on this God-given Planet Earth of ours.

    It should be rather apparent to EVERYONE OF US who don’t belong to the ‘Elite Movers and Shakers’ of this New World Order – One World Government that whatever we might TRY TO DO in order ‘To Win’ against THEIR PRE-PROGRAMMED WORLD-WIDE SCENARIO – we are just simply ‘destined’ TO LOSE!

    These NWO One World Government types have managed to get the vast majority of the current World’s Human Population locked into their ‘Pods’ having their God-given spiritual life energies sucked out of them TO POWER their NWO One World Government as visually depicted in the recent movie ‘The Matrix’.

    ‘The Matrix’ movie was a much more elaborated theme which regularly re-appears in movies down through the decades. The earliest of ALL of this genre was the circa 1913 movie of Fritz Lang entitled ‘Metropolis’. There were those 70’s movies of ‘Rollerball’ and the kid’s movie ‘Tron’.

    In ‘Tron’, our hero manages to struggle and fight his way to the ‘Master Program’ and he brings the ‘Master Program’ to an utter HALT and STOP by throwing his energy ‘Disc-Frisbee’ into the joining APEX of the Upper and Lower Halves of the ‘Master Program’.

    In doing that single PARTICULAR ACT, our hero SEVERES the ‘Lower Portion’ form the ‘Upper Portion’ of the conjoined Master Program’s Energy CONICAL Sections.

    I believe the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Immaculately Loving Heart of God’s Own NEW EVE to and for all of Mankind IS MEANT TO HAVE the same exact spiritaul EFFECT in our day and age.

    By a world-wide HONORING and ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of the Catholic Church’s Bishops and the Catholic Church’s Lay Faithful of God’s NEW EVE to and for ALL OF MANKIND – that is the ‘Divine Spiritual Energy Disk’ that THE POPE and the Catholic Bishops of the Church THROW INTO the ‘LOWER Conical Section’ of Satan’s ‘Master Program’ for our World severing all power to the ‘UPPER Conical Section’ which are all of these HUMAN New World Order – One World Government types who are ENSLAVING all of the other ‘Free Will Human Beings’ all throughout our contemporary World.

    MOVIES can serve as ‘PARABLES’ in our day and age.

    In the movie ‘Die Hard’, the actor BRUCE WILLIS gets to the top of the Hitachi Tower and discovers that THE ROOF of this skyscraper is rigged with a huge amount of EXPLOSIVES that the International Terrorist Gang fully intend to SET OFF-IGNITE after they’ve FORCED all of their human hostages onto the roof.

    SATAN has managed to ‘Rig’ our entire World with every manner of WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION – and he full intends on setting them ALL OFF in order to kill off billions of human beings.

    Meanwhile, as SATAN has been getting all of these Weapons Of Mass Destruction in their place, SATAN has been simultaneously getting the VAST MAJORITY of the members of our Human Race into spiritual states of MORTAL SIN.

    SATAN’s Third World War will ‘spiritually harvest FOR ALL ETERNITY’ millions upon millions of human souls created in the Image and Likeness of our God, Creator and Father for ETERNAL DAMNATION IN HELL.

    Maybe there is a HOLLYWOOD Producer or a HOLLYWOOD Studio which can get THAT ‘Big Picture’ out into the minds and hearts of millions upon millions of regular T.V./DVD MOVIE WATCHERS all across our contemporary Planet Earth of 2009 Anno Domini.

    – Fr. Joseph

62. charlie October 16, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

    Much came out of the Apparitions of Fatima.

    1. Devotion to the Mother of God AND mankind heart. As a formal devotion of the five first Saturdays.

    2. A first hand glimpse of hell.

    3. The prayer addition at the end of each decade of the rosary.

    “O my Jesus
    forgive us our sins,
    save us from the fires of hell,
    and lead all souls to heaven ,
    especially those who are most in need of thy mercy.”

    4.the prophecy of – WWII if the world did not stop sinning

    – and the warning light in the Northern hemisphere that would precede its outbreak

    5.-the prohecy regarding the spread of communism

    6. the plea, years later, 1929 in fact, for the love of God in the church, to express itself in belief in his Mother.

    7. a hidden prophecy regarding the demise of the Catholic church for its disobedience regarding the above.

    Following 7. above is the prophecy of Don Bosco regarding this disobedient church, which he expressed as following this demise there would come two popes who would gradually get the catholic church back on an even keel.

    The first (though not stated,) was Pope John Paul II who, to the best of his ability, though not naming her specifically consecrated Russia to the immaculate heart of Maryin 1982 and then 5 years later got every church going Catholic in the world (again, not naming her specifically) to do so ‘collegially’ ( I believe this reference is valid) and publicly via the church attendance. I was present at a church on this occasion.

    The second, of course, is the current Pope Benedict XVI and there is no longer any excuse for not naming Russia specifically in fulfillment of God’s command.

    Let us pray that the current visit to Fatima, of this Pope, coinciding as it does with the release on 13th October of a new movie on Fatima, will guide the Pope in his deliberations in this Year of the Priest.

63. Fr. Joseph October 16, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

    Apollonian,

    Regarding “demonstrations” and “protests”; perhaps you haven’t noticed what our contemporary ‘World is ALL ABOUT.

    All the “demonstrations” and “protests” against such things as these wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, healt care reforms, the Federal Reserve, the globalist’s G7, the G20 Summits, 9-11 Truth movements, abortion – yada yada yada – where, O WHERE, have they gotten ANY of us?

    For your information, it is ALWAYS GOOD to listen to the ‘Advise Of One’s Elders’ who just so happen to have much more ‘Worldly-Wisdom’.

    U.S. 5 Star General Douglas MacArthur confided to Catholic Bishop Fulton Sheen in Allied Occupied Japan shortly after V-J Day:

    ‘The World Struggle is NOT political or economic. Rather, it is RELIGIOUS and THEOLOGICAL. It is either God or atheism.’

    Now regarding your current interior mindset:

    “…u must be more practical in svc to God an Christ. Therefore quit speaking this crap about ‘satan’…”

    To begin with, ‘in the svc of God and Christ’ – we ARE supposed to ‘put on the Mind of Christ’.

    Now CHRIST just so happened TO INFORM St. Peter the Apostle the following:

    “Simon, Simon! SATAN, you must know, has got his wish to sift you like wheat: but I have prayed for you Simon, that your faith may not fail, and when you have recovered, YOU IN TURN MUST STRENGHTEN YOUR BROTHERS.”
    – The Gospel according to St. Luke – Luke 22:31-32

    Now then, back in 1884 A.D. CHRIST JESUS tells St. Peter’s successor, Pope Leo XIII that SATAN has gotten his wish granted to him AGAIN:

    http://www.geocities.com/stmichaelsangels/

    And as the years PASS, the U.S. Department of Justice’s OWN Federal Buruea of Investigation gets this particular ‘CONFESSION’:

    “What amazed Doctor Dodd was that whenever these men gave instructions, Moscow always ratified them (BECAUSE the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Immaculately Loving Heart of Christ Jesus’ Own Mother HAD YET TO BE DONE!). When asked who the men were, Doctor Dodd refused to name them. But when pressed to say ultimately who ruled this higher order, she replied simply, ‘SATAN’.

    “In the course of this history-making interview, Rakovsky made it clear that the key to the power of this higher (satanic) order was money. Rakovsky said, ‘Money is power, the only power.” – quoting from

    http://www.fatima.org/books/divimp/dipt2chap2.asp

    Now then, with an inner spiritual eye onto ALL that Br. Nathanael has sacrificed SO MUCH in order to get out into the Public Domain with his own personal RZN articles:

    “Rosenthal says, ‘Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer…and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is VERY MUCH ALIVE.” – quoting from

    http://www.rense.com/general49/prot.htm

    Now then, IF you really and truly want to ‘Shut Down The Fed’, IF you really and truly want to ‘Defeat These Satanic Jews’, IF you really and truly WANT to bring about WORLD PEACE to and for ALL OF MANKIND – then…

    PUT ON ‘THE MIND OF CHRIST’ Who I believe wants the ENTIRE WORLD to publicly and solemnly Acknowledge and Honor His Own Mother – THE WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17 – with a ‘Global/Transnationalist’ PUBLIC and SOLEMN Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to His Mother’s Immaculately Loving Heart per her 1917 A.D. Fatima, Portugal Apparitions, Messages and Instructions to and for her own SON’S CHURCH here on earth.

    And ‘How?’ is Christ Jesus and His Mother going TO CRUSH the head of every last SATANIC INSPIRED/LED group in our world – to INCLUDE all of these Luciferian JC Jews you are fixated against?

    The Gospel of St. Matthew:

    “ALL AUTHORITY in Heaven and ON EARTH has been given to Me.” – Matthew 28:18

    That Divine, Logos ‘ALL AUTHORITY’ just so happens TO INCLUDE all of these Luciferian Jews Br. Nathanael is combatting against here with his RZN website.

    Do you want TO WIN this Global Spiritual World War against SATAN and all of his allied elemental and incarnate spirit allies – or do you want to putz around and ‘SHOW OFF’ with protest and demonstration signs in front of people who CANNOT AFFECT the plans, agendas and actions of those who HAVE ‘SOLD THEIR SOULS’ to Satan?

    Make up your mind. I think you are the VERY FIRST ‘Knights Templar’ who wants to DELIBERATELY LOSE!

    – Fr. Joseph

64. Fr. Joseph October 16, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

    Dear charlie,

    I believe the Blessed Virgin Mary has stated that ‘in the end’ her Immaculate Heart WILL WIN after the eventual Collegial Consecration of Russia.

    I just get ‘distressed’ and ‘upset’ and ‘hot under the collar’ about ALL of this satanic-luciferian NWO One World Government, Zionist, Masonic, Rosicrucian, Kabbalist GARBAGE going on and happening to my US Nation and to the peoples of the other nations of our contemporary World because I, personally, FAIL TO UNDERSTAND why people in Authority DON’T DO what they have the AUTHORITY TO DO!

    The F.B.I. could have round up and publicly HANGED all of the ‘Inside Job’ 9-11 Criminal Mass Murderers – but they DIDN’T.

    The U.S. Congress and U.S. Senate could have IMPEACHED Bush and Cheney and everyone associated with them – but they DDIN’T.

    And on and on and on it goes – all these with all sorts of ‘Authority’ – and they WASTE IT and WASTE OUR LIVES here in the USA and in the nations/states of our contemporary World!

    I believe the Bishop of Rome has ‘The Keys’. He has the Third Secret of Fatima. He has Ecclesiastical Authority and Jurisdiction over ALL the Bishops of the Roman Catholic Church. And he can use ‘The Keys’ entrusted to him to grant ALL OF US six billion human souls WORLD PEACE and FINAL RELIEF from these satanic-Jews, these satanic-Masons, these satanic-Kabbalists, these satanic-Rosicrucians, these satanic-New Agers, these satanic-Private Dynastic Families who own the PRIVATE Central Banks operating in virtually ALL of the nations of our World (save for Iran and North Korea) – and our own Roman Catholic PATRIARCHS don’t DO WHAT they have the Divine Authority to do!

    So I’m ‘impatient’ and pretty well ‘sick and tired’ of all of this INCOMPETENCE and ORGANIZED IMMORALITY going on here in the USA and the rest of the World.

    I wish the rest of the SIX BILLION people living in our contemporary World felt the same way!

    – Fr. Joseph

65. traditional Catholic October 16, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

    Chris Bollyn exposes the American Free Press as a Zionist owned / “controlled opposition” publication.

    http://www.bollyn.com/index.php#article_11452

    The Zionist Jew Mark Lane owns the paper. He was the man responsible for the Jonestown Massacre. It was a CIA mind control experiment.

66. Dan Tanner October 16, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

    Dearest sisters & brothers … excerpts to entice you to watch …
    (sorry about any mistakes & ease of readability)

    YouTube – ALEX COLLIER at the Project Camelot Awake and Aware Conference_ Los Angeles_ Sept 2009 (19,172 views)
    (ALEX COLLIER – Mentoring by an ET race … an update) (1:43:40 approx. 515mb)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR46QjXjLH0

    @(1:40) “… & I know that, all of you … here … give so much … & you try in your own way to (you know) share the light, (I mean) there is two ways to be the light … & that one is to be the candle & the other is the mirror, that reflects the candle …”

    @(2:41) “… Einstein said, ‘you cannot solve the problems of the world, with the same thinking that created them’ …”

    @(3:06) “… the difficulty in trying to solve, some of the issues we have, is the fact that we do not have, all the data …”

    @(3:35) “… each of you … have … a small piece, of the puzzle …”

    @(6:53) “…it goes far deeper than spooking the heard … that is really not the intention here at all … OK, the intention here, & what’s really been going on, is simply this … Bob Dean made a reference yesterday to almost feeling sorry for the government, about the situation that their in … … the government made some treaties … … cut some deals for technology, in exchange for experimentation & observation … & they were tricked. They really did not know what they were getting themselves into … & now the hand has been dealt.

    There are many people within the UFO community that say, that ‘ALL the extraterrestrials are benevolent’ … ladies & gentlemen, it is my own personal opinion & based on the knowledge that I have … that, that is completely irresponsible to say. We live in a duality … because if it was all ‘love & light’, we would not being going down this road to global fascism & the ‘Powers That Be’ wanting to eliminate 2/3 of the world’s population. That is not ‘love & light’ …”

    @(9:20) “… what you have, is what you’ll have. It is imperative to, if you can, start forming within your community … community gardens … figuring it out … you need to start talking about this. I know that most people are simply not open to it … (but) just, do the best you can … (I mean) we’re all fighting the fight. (Now) America is on the front line of this … & the reason is simple … America created a new domain of knowing.

    America was created, to get rid of the aristocracy of the old world, to create something new, to create individual liberties, to create personal freedoms … that was never known in the world before … & we have that … & because of our apathy, we have lost virtually all those … & it is no one else’s fault – it is our own fault …”

    @(10:48) “…we know, that the government has become corrupt … (OK), these people … the personages that rule the planet, are not us, they are not human beings … & I’ll will say this with my very last breath … ‘they are not us’ …”

    @(12:58) “…so, what happened was, the pirates took over the ship … the governments, realizing that ‘they’ had all this technology & that ‘they’ were a thousand years more advanced then we were … instead of telling everyone, ‘hey’ we have a problem here & standing tall & doing the right thing, they joined the pirates. We are literally, only now, as passengers on the ship, finding out & realizing … (that) we’ve been hijacked …”

    @(13:54) “…yes, our politicians sold out … it was easy to corrupt them … we have an enormous mess … they’re stuck in the middle as well … over the next year, year and a half, there is going to be so many changes … America is the focal point here, of this … & the reason for that is because Americans, despite our educational system, are still very smart … we are very able to think, ‘out of the box’, we are excellent problem solvers … & we are armed to the teeth … … they cannot have a world government without taking out the U.S. … …because the world, used to look to us, for the ideas of freedom.

    Immigrants, all over the world, have come to America. My grandparents were immigrants to this county, because they believed in individual liberties, they believed in freedom, they believed in the principles that were in the Constitution …(be-it) the ‘Declaration of Independence’ & the ‘Bill of Rights’ … & ladies & gentleman … that, is who we are … we are not the crap they show you on television …”

    @(17:06) “… I also want to tell you & I have been asked to share this with you about the vaccine … the new swine flu vaccine … … tell everyone … that this vaccine will permanently damage your DNA …”

    @(18:55) “… it is not our destiny to be killed by vaccines & war. You will have to make those choices. My choices are already been made … (OK) my decisions are clear. I am the father of five children … there is no way, I going to back down … & I’m going to sell them into slavery … never going to happen. You need to make your own choices …”

    @(19:35) “… I once asked … … ‘what was to become of us’ … … ‘what was going to happen’, to our race, to our civilization … & he just looked at me & he said, ‘this is how we see you … responsible freedom of self determination, becoming truly self confident & free, to unconditionally be responsible for oneself, without being coerced to accept some higher authority’ …”

    @(20:57) “… but what’s unique about us … is that genetically we are considered to the Andromedon race, ‘genetic royalty’. & I have been saying this since day one. We are extremely unique & it’s because of that uniqueness, we have enormous strength, we have enormous capacity for emotions, we have enormous intent & drive to not only survive, but to create. What we lack is faith in ourselves. … At the end of WWII … (let me put it another way) … the Nazis didn’t loose the war. (OK) Germany lost the war, but the Nazis were brought here & to Russia …”

    @(23:18) “… What kind of county do you want to live in? What kind of world do you want to live in? Clearly what we are doing now, doesn’t work. It has run its course. We have a government that has a lot of problems, we have corruption within it, not all of it, but we clearly have corruption within it.

    They have sold out & have been totally compromised, they themselves don’t know what to do & their only solution is to turn the power of the military & the power of the pharmaceutical company, against the American people. That’s their solution. That is not OK. That’s not OK …”

    @(25:02) “… we could just start with the information that we do have … the rest of it will come … it’s going to collapse on itself … because it’s no good. It cannot stand on its own & the minute we turn our focus … away … from them, & they can’t feed off our fear, it will collapse in a heartbeat …because, where focus goes, energy flows …”

    – – – – –

    Have a great day everyone … Take care (& rally together AGAINST THE FLU SHOT).

67. Paul October 16, 2009 @ 11:31 pm

    Thank you Brother Nathanael, for another excellent and well researched article.

    What really upsets me with this issue, is that in Europe for hundreds of years so many people have lost their lives for trying to defend their countries and constitutions and yet in 2009 with not even a shot fired, Europe is finally unified by a pen.

    Fishing was the livelihood of thousands of British workers and indirectly of thousands more. The EU’s Common Fisheries Policy has destroyed most of this. We can no longer simply catch fish in our waters. Instead, the EU tells us what we can and cannot catch.

    Britain used to own over three quarters of the fish in EU waters. Now we are allowed to catch only one third of the EU’s fish. All the EU’s fishing fleets will be able to fish in our twelve mile coastal belt.

    Another thing i found out is that each country when joining the E.U. has to give up all of its GOLD. They will be transferred to the European Central Bank which will ‘hold and manage the official reserves of the Member States’. For the UK, this would mean surrendering control of our gold reserves of £28 billion. This is one of the many reasons why joining the EU would be irreversible.

    The sad part is, trying to wake people up. People just go on there merry way as if everything will be ok.

    Thank you again Br. Nathanael.

    Paul

    The true Israel is not composed of any nation or race. It is composed of those who accept Jesus Christ in Faith

68. Fr. John October 17, 2009 @ 8:55 am

    Brother Nathanael – excellent post on your part, yet with the same useless haranguing of esoteric POV’s from RC’s, Prots, and ‘proposition nation’ types in the comments; who, while denying Christ’s mission to Christendom, think that the filioquist Papal paradigm of universalist salvation (the theological equivalent of Multiculturalism) under the Papacy, is co-terminous with Christendom’s peoples.

    Paul’s comment, for example: “The true Israel is not composed of any nation or race. It is composed of those who accept Jesus Christ in Faith.”

    Whalen’s ‘Dominion of God’ clearly outlines the apocalyptic, Joachim of Fiore-dispensationalism that Bp. Photios Farrell points out is NOT the Christianity of the “First Europe” (i.e., Orthodox Europe) but is that of the ‘woman on the beast’ – the ‘Second Europe’ that IS not Europe- just as you now honestly point out about the [sic] Jews not even BEING ‘Jews/Judeans/Judahites’ in your posts- that last, thanks for!

    Koestler’s book, ‘The Thirteenth Tribe’ should be required reading to defuse the ‘bomb’ of Khazarians ‘saying they are Jews, and are not.’ [Rev. 2:8,9] This ‘Second Europe’ POV is EXACTLY what Paul’s incorrect statement delineates. Europe/the “West’ is for Europeans- Christendom is for Europeans, for they alone are the “Israel of God’ – Gal. 6:16!

    In like manner, the [seemingly less ‘racist’] universalist call of the filioquist ‘Gospel’ is NOT the ‘to the ends of the Earth’ envisioned by Christ or the Apostles, but is the Papal subsitute for Christ’s Commission. Whalen’s book is a key to this POV, which forever changed the view of Europe before and after the Schism. Farrell’s book on the philosophy of that “Second Europe’ shows that it is IN ERROR- totally, completely, and forever.

    Even yet, there are those in (non-Orthodox) Christendom, who still understood this fact. Belloc’s ‘Europe is the Faith; the Faith, Europe’ is one such example.

    The EU, is, therefore, the Antichrist incarnation (seeing as it is rule and planned by ‘Jews’) – the false ‘Jerusalem,’ of Christendom/Europe, and not the True Kingdom of God that St. Augustine speaks of in his City of God.

    That such a POV is considered bizarre, out of the norm, or ‘foreign’ to our ‘multicultural age’ is proof of its’ veracity, frankly.

    The malaise of Jewish rule, Statism, and vast corporate sin- both of miscegenation as well as greed, idolatry, and demagoguery, means that the Obamanation is the PUNISHMENT for we Christian Europeans having ‘left our first love,’ and made the Church a WHore, instead of the Bride of Christ, fit for ONE Spouse. Multiculturalism is the filioquist equivalent of Babel.c

    For everytime Ancient Israel was set upon by rapacious kings, influx of non-Israelites, or outright deportation, was when they fornicated and sought after ‘strange flesh’ via overt adultery, or spiritual adultery. As YHWH God is an Incarnating God, why WOULDN’T our racial fornication be a sin in His eyes? [Ez.9:2]

    And we’re all dealing with the effects of that sin, rather than dealing with the causes. And no one seems to notice that.

69. apollonian October 17, 2009 @ 11:33 am

    Fr. Joe Must Cease Shilly-Shallying Immediately
    (Apollonian, 17 Oct 09)

    Fr. Joseph: there u go again, demonstrating why no one listens to u as u babble ur infernal nonsense. Rational people don’t listen to babblers like u spouting ur gross absurdities.

    Now look here: US Dollar is what’s about to collapse maybe this year, but probably next year for sure. Note if and when US Dollar collapses, MILLIONS WILL STARVE AND DIE HERE IN USA–think most seriously about this. I’m not talking about Africa, or Asia, or India, comrade.

    And the those responsible for this impending Dollar catastrophe are the Jew COUNTERFEITERS behind the US Fed, etc., as we’ve noted for u. Hence this specific CONCRETE Jew problem is what we need u to focus upon in serious manner.

    Fr. Joe: u’re NO ONE’S “elder”–u’re just a demented child babbling nonsense–so cut it out, already, and get serious, and do what u’re told as I’ve instructed (God told me to tell u).

    For (a) once we remove Jewish Money Power, the entire conspiracy of present topmost criminals will lose all its COHESION, only mop-up will then be necessary.

    (b) Thus in order to remove these Jew masterminds, we must presently CONCENTRATE upon their “Praetorian Guard” consisting of Judeo-Christian (JC) hereticalists–these JCs are the WEAK-POINT to present large Judeo-conspiracy.

    CONCLUSION: So here I’ve analyzed it and laid it all out for u in most logical manner. Pls quit ur shilly-shallying, stop babbling, and get to work. Honest elections and replace the Fed with the US Treasury. Apollonian

70. Fr. Joseph October 17, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

    Apollonian,

    Your ‘ad hominem’ vs. me amounts to a hill of beans. And no one put you ‘in charge of this World’ nor did anyone put you ‘in charge of the Church’.

    And you did not create six billion human souls endowed with a free will.

    And you are not God.

    And you do not have any DIVINE Authority over anything or anyone.

    And you do not decide what God’s Divine Will for both His Roman Catholic Church and for the Human Race He Himself created and to whom He gives life.

    Now IF you do not want to accept that God’s Divine Will FOR His Catholic Church and for all of Mankind which I believe is a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of Russia per the Mother of God’s Own Fatima Apparition’s Instructions – that’s a matter between YOU and God.

    I’ve just told you what I believe GOD Himself wants DONE by His Roman Catholic Church to and for all of Mankind.

    You don’t like that – Fr. John don’t like that – the Satanists in the Vatican don’t like that – lots and lots of people throughout this World and His Roman Catholic Church don’t like that either.

    So IF you have any ‘complaints’ about what I’ve shared and/or posted to this RZN commentary section – do me and do ALL OF US a very big favor…

    Go voice, post and register your COMPLAINTS to the One Who sits on His Throne in Heaven.

    At Fatima, I believe Our Lady herself said

    ‘ONLY I CAN HELP YOU!’

    – Fr. Joseph

71. Fr. Joseph October 17, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

    From the many detractors and antagonists I have to contend with from the Orthodox Church, I am left with wrestling with this question.

    Does being a member of the Orthodox Church render any and all of you ‘impeccible’ – meaning to say, when you become Orthodox you can NO LONGER ‘SIN’?

    And does being a member of the Orthodox Church render any and all of you ‘infallible’ – meaning to say that is IMPOSSIBLE for members of the Orthodox Church INCAPABLE of making any sort of ERROR or MISUNDERSTAND something about the Apostolic Faith of our Lord’s Apostles?

    Just GO LOOK at the pyscho-spiritual, moral, ethical CONDITION of our contemporary World of 2009 Anno Domini!

    So all of your Orthodox prelates DO NOT believe in the Mother of God’s Apparitions as Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal 1917 A.D.

    Well, NEITHER DID the Bishop of Rome, Pope John XXIII! And in order to get TWO Prelates from the Russian Orthodox Church TO ATTEND his Vatican Council II, he had to get the Catholic Church to FOREVER keep its mouth SHUT about Communism – and by extention all of those BEHIND its funding and its God-less Christ-hating worldly philosophies and economic models promoted by the Satanist Karl Marx.

    And NOW, here is an vow religious MONK from the Orthodox Church jumping up and down all over New York City, Boston, Colorado and here on the Internet telling THE ENTIRE WORLD all about Bolshevik Jews, about Babylonain Talmud Jews and THEIR Marxist, Zionist, Communist, Satanic DESIGNS for the United States of America and the rest of the nations of our contemporary World!

    So the HIERARCHY of the Orthodox Church rejects and denounces the Mother of God’s Appearances and Instructions as Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal 1917 A.D.

    And the Bishop of Rome, Pope John XXIII LIKEWISE rejected any validity or belief in the Mother of God’s Appearances and Instructions as Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal 1917 A.D.

    “What is your opinion of Pope John XXIII? Did he really try to stop the Council when he saw what was happening? DID HE OR DID HE NOT BELIEVE IN FATIMA?”

    “No, Pope John XXIII did not try to stop the Council. HE DID NOT BELIEVE IN FATIMA.”
    quoting from:
    http://starharbor.com/fr_martin/ques.html

    So GET THIS STRAIGHT – Both the Bishop of Rome who DID NOT BELIEVE in the Mother of God’s Apparitions at Fatima, Portugal 1917 A.D. and the Patriarchs of the Orthodox Church who LIKEWISE DO NOT BELIEVE in the Mother of God’s Apparitions at Fatima, Portugal have helped, are helping and will continue to be helping in SATAN’s unseen and seen ‘legions from Hell’ in bringing about ‘THE DOWNFALL OF THE HUMAN RACE’ as prophecied by St. Nilus back in the 4th century:

    http://www.fisheaters.com/nilus.html

    If the ORTHODOX Church, her Prelates and her Lay Faithful DO NOT want anything to do with the Mother of God and her Apparitions and Insturctions as Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal 19917 A.D. – then Br. Nathanael might as well SHUT DOWN this RZN website and he might as well RETIRE to the quite of an Orthodox Monastery!

    – Fr. Joseph

72. admin October 17, 2009 @ 4:13 pm

    @ appolonian –

    This will END your thread on this issue dear appolonian.

    I will NOT allow any ad hominems on this site.

    Respectfully, +Brother Nathanael

73. Fr. Joseph October 17, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

    A PUBLIC QUESTION for my chronic Orthodox detractor and alleged PRIEST, Fr. John:

    Yo! Fr. John,

    Do ‘Youz Guyz’ and ‘Youz Galz’ in the Orthodox Church – do you STILL pray the ‘Pater Nostre’, which is the Western Church’s LATIN for ‘Our Father’?

    You know that prayer

    ‘OUR FATHER, Who art in Heaven, hallowed by Thy Name, Thy Kingdom come, THY (DIVINE ALL-GOOD) WILL be done, ON EARTH, as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily Bread, and forgive us our trespasses as we (Orthodox will NEVER FORGIVE any real or alleged trespasses of the Catholic Church FOREVER…BUT…) forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us NOT into temptaTion…(and now, GET THESE CONCLUDING WORDS OF OUR PRAYERFUL PETITIONS TO OUR ALMIGHT ALL-GOOD GOD AND FATHER IN HEAVEN)…

    “BUT DELIVER US FROM EVIL!”

    Yo! Fr. John – howz about a HOMILY? Might you EXPLAIN to the six billion human souls currently on earth ‘HOW?’ did our Almighty and All-good DIVINE FATHER IN HEAVEN decide by Himself He would DELIVER US ALL from SATAN’S DOMINATION and ENSLAVEMENT after the ‘Fall of Adam and Eve’ in our Human Race’s ORIGINAL SIN in the ‘Garden of Eden’?

    Did GOD OUR FATHER Announce that He would use A WOMAN and her Offspring TO CRUSH Satan’s head and the heads of his satanic offspring?

    Well, by gosh, by golly — OUR FATHER in Heaven DID Announce that He would use A WOMAN and her Offspring TO CRUSH Satan’s head and the heads of his satanic offspring!

    Perhaps it hasn’t DAWNED on you – or perhaps it was NOT part of your Orthodox Seminary INSTRUCTION that God our Father just so ‘Happens To Divinely LIKE’ per His Own Divine, Almighty and All-Good Divine WILL to us this ‘WOMAN’ to crush Satan’s head over and over and over again!

    Now then, considering the SORRY-SAD SHAPE oru contemporary World is currently IN under the domination and enslavement of SATAN and all of his seen and unseen ‘offspring’ all over our current World of 2009 Anno Domini – do you ORTHODOX still pray to God and do you STILL petition your and our HEAVENLY FATHER in Heaven to

    ‘DELIVER US FROM EVIL’???

    Now I believe if GOD THE FATHER has Personally Chosen, by an Act of His Own Omnipotent Almighty Divine Will as GOD to use A WOMAN to CRUSH Satan’s head and the heads of his ‘offspring’ – then can you tell me – in a ‘Priest-to-Priest’ fashion – why is it that you of the ORTHODOX CHURCH refuse to be LIBERATED/FREED FROM THIS ‘SATANIC’ EVIL engulfing our contemporary World with a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA per the Mother of God’s OWN PERSONAL INSTRUCTIONS to the Prelates/Hierarchy of her Son’s Church!

    Do you ORTHODOX really and TRULY want to have our contemporary World GOD THE FATHER’S Own Divine Help in answering our prayerful petition

    ‘DELIVER US FROM EVIL!’

    But then again, perhaps you in the Orthodox Church have RENOUNCED praying the ‘Pater Nostre’, the Lord’s Prayer, the ‘Our Father’.

    – Fr. Joseph

74. KC October 17, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

    “Does being a member of the Orthodox Church render any and all of you ‘impeccible’ – meaning to say, when you become Orthodox you can NO LONGER ‘SIN’?”

    No, I’m Orthodox and I sin everyday, but I know in terms of faith this is Christ’s body and nowhere else. Through true and all-encompassing, and ideally, constant repentance we can be free and only then.

    It depends on my decisiveness and strength of faith, how I use my free will, whether with God or otherwise, not. One must completely put his own will on the cross in order to be Orthodox Christian.

75. enya October 17, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

    There is only ONE Holy Father and He is in Heaven, there is only ONE Vicar of Christ and that is the Holy Ghost. “Call no one here on Earth your spiritual Father. There is only one Father of all creation, Our Father who art in Heaven!!!

76. admin October 17, 2009 @ 7:47 pm

    @ enya –

    Yet St Paul called himself a “Father” to those he “begat through the Gospel”…

    Try again dear enya, perhaps you’ll do better the next time around. +BN

77. Eternal Love October 17, 2009 @ 11:50 pm

    Judge Halts Flu Vaccine Mandate For Health Workers
    New York Health Care Employees Won’t Be Forced To Get H1N1 Vaccine…For Now

    Congratulations to the New York Health Care Employees!!!

    Good news, people have to fight back and resist the insane orders of our greedy power obsessed “rulers”.

    http://wcbstv.com/breakingnewsalerts/mandatory.h1n1.vaccine.2.1252672.html

    Lots of Love,

    Please, support our fundraising campaign to help the Noble efforts of our Brother to promote Christianity and Justice for All!!!

    Eternal Love

78. Eternal Love October 17, 2009 @ 11:54 pm

    Majority of Nobel jury ‘objected to Obama prize’

    “Three of the five members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee had objections to the Nobel Peace Prize being awarded to US President Barack Obama, the Norwegian tabloid Verdens Gang (VG) reported Thursday.

    “VG has spoken to a number of sources who confirmed the impression that a majority of the Nobel committee, at first, had not decided to give the peace prize to Barack Obama,” the newspaper said.

    In a surprise move last Friday, the Nobel committee attributed the Nobel Peace Prize to Obama less than nine months after he had taken office.”

    “The choice for Obama was however strongly supported by committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland and Sissel Roenbeck, both representatives of the Labour Party.”

    Well, how could Obama be selected given the fact that 3 out of five members or the majority of the comittee were against him??? So, the minority wins against ‘ the majority’.. This is the law of our khazaric/fake Jew brothers…

    In my opinion the two “deciders” – Thorbjoern Jagland and Sissel Roenbeck, who definitely sold their souls to satan for money should go to prison. Also they should tell the name of the people who ordered them to select Obama “in a surprise move”.

    With their “help” Nobel prize had been reduced to a laughing-stock.

    Leader Obama himself should try to keep some self-respect and renounce the undeserved Nobel prize.

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.9264422c2946d8bf1cb62cde139e996e.741&show_article=1

    Lots of Love,

    Please, support our fundraising campaign to help the Noble efforts of our Brother to promote Christianity and Justice for All!!!

    Eternal Love

79. AntiPharisee October 18, 2009 @ 11:36 am

    Apollonian writes:
    “Honest elections and replace the Fed with the US Treasury.”

    Apollonian you old sea dog. Have you not read my “The Money Meisters”
    http://sites.google.com/site/themoneymeisters

    If you have Clinton, Bush or Obama run the Money/Currency industry instead of Rothschild, then money will be issued at no interest, but it will be replaced with an added 10% currency inflation each year. Also,without competition there will be all kinds of fraud and corruption.

    There’s nothing mystical about money it’s just a product or service like any other.

    An anology would be the clothing business.

    If 200 years ago the only family in the USA allowed to make and sell clothes was the ordinary Smith family then today the Smith family would be trillionaires and we would have high priced low quality clothes.

    Now take a time travel machine back to 200 years ago where we started before and have the State (“the government”) be the only one allowed to make and sell clothes.

    If I recall correctly that is something called State Communism. At best, after 200 years, today, you would have again high-priced, poor quality clothes, shortages (remember $500 for smuggled jeans in USSR?), and worse, the few at the top in the clothing bureacracy would be billionaires not as a result of merit but because of their coercive monopoly.

    Now we take the time travel machine back again to 200 years ago, and we find ourselves inside a stadium where a conference on clothing economics is being given. There are 20,001 people there, 20,000 clothing economics PhD’s and one retarded 12 year old boy. After 6 of the “smartest” PhD’s give their 60 minute each presentations, the 12 year old boy gives his presentation in 36 seconds being 1/100th of the time of each the others.

    He says, “Ladies and Gentlemen, here is the best and most moral way to run the clothing industry: Anyone should be able to start their own clothes manufacturing and retailing business tomorrow morning. But the clothes must be made using ulta thin gold wafer-leafs…no, no, no, sorry I made a mistake, I meant USING ANY MATERIALS AND DESIGN ONE WISHES TO USE.”

    The last time I looked that was something called real laissez-faire capitalism. In this scenario the little retarded boy is the most intelligent person in the whole stadium (the PhD’s in the crowd were learning something new from the boy), because 200 years later we have the selection and prices of clothes that you see now. To me it is not some kind of joke that I say the PhD’s are dumber than the retarded boy, I REALLY DO MEAN THIS.

    I think the “Rothschilds” also want the US Treasury to take over now, it’s time for them to “reverse skating”.

    Their private banks have issued so much currency for State Debt that the State is now gagging on too much debt, so the new Currency State Communism system somehow will allow all their bonds held to be repaid in full, and probably even better, like government assets/land at 10 cents on the dollar, who knows, but the popularity on the internet of the idea of Treasury Issued Currency smells fishy, smells like a rat.

    I think, therefore it would be correct, if you agree Apollonian, to change your motto to, “Honest elections and replace the Fed with free-market money/currency competition.” (That’s accepting that we need elections at all, which is another topic).

    Just so there’s no misunderstanding, your writings are very interesting Apollonian, they’re mostly very good.

80. AntiPharisee October 18, 2009 @ 1:34 pm

    Here is why I think the Deceiver Power Elite wants to have a new currency and in this phase preferrably one issued by the State.

    I will use the analogy of a stock exchange listed company called XYZ.

    It has 10,000,000 shares issued and oustanding, and they are trading at $1.00 per share. The company has $2,000,000 in debt it owes.

    For simplicities sake let’s assume that the company is “perfectly” valued at $10,000,000 i.e. it has real assets and is not a hyped up stock.

    Say you, the reader, hold the debt and now want to convert the debt into shares of the company.

    Scenario 1: So if a shares-for-debt transaction is done you get 2 million shares and now own 17% of the company.

    Scenario 2: You manipulate/collapse the stock price to 10 cents per share, do a shares-for-debt and end up owning 67% of the company.

    Scenario 3: Manipulate/collapse stock to 10 cents per share, have company issue 1 new share for 10 old shares (therefore new stock will trade at $1.00 per share).

    Since people have seen their stock trade at 10 cents per share and it’s now “back” to a dollar (but they only have 1/10th the amount of shares held previously) they have a psychological tendency to be sellers, and because of this confusion, and a little help down in price from “the syndicate” running the show the stock trades at 50 cents per share.

    Now a shares-for-debt transaction is done aand you, the debt certificate holder, own 80% of the company.

    Would you rather own 17%, 67% or 80% of a company?

    So to apply this to the USA debt/currency situation, just substitute the words USA Corporation for XYZ, substitute Currency for Shares, substitute 20 trillion dollars in debt instead of 2 million.

    But what about the company, what if they want to convert the debt at $1.00 and the Debt Certificate holder wants to convert at 10 cents? No problem if you control “the company” – 10 cents per share wins.

    So I get the feeling that a new currency regime whereby the State issues currency “interest free”, is a neccessary legal requirement of some sort, also helps create confusion because there’s “change” underway, and if you have your people in control of the Treasury when the awesome sized 80% looting is about to take place you want to make damn sure it gets done,
    least of all because they have suckered the public into wanting this new currency system.

    So going by the above the first step is to create a crisis of some sort that would collapse the US dollar as low as possible.

81. apollonian October 18, 2009 @ 1:46 pm

    Fed Criminals, Counterfeiters, Conspirators Must Be Denounced; Let Freedom Ring
    (Apollonian, 18 Oct 09)

    “Anti-Pharisee”: Note Fed is COUNTERFEITING, literally, the people FORCED to deal only in such counterfeited “money” (by “legal tender” laws), upon which criminals are given a monopoly, literally. Politicians are simply bribed and extorted.

    Hence then proper issue is people being allowed freedom to deal w. one another in real money which is always commodity, necessarily, the best traditionally considered to being gold or silver.

    Rothschilds are master criminals who must be expropriated and prosecuted along w. all their accomplices, obviously.

    CONCLUSION: Otherwise, by legalizing freedom and drugs, for example, reducing taxes and spending, removing US troops fm Iraq/Afgan/Somalia, etc., USA could actually easily initiate a new Renaissance. But we need intensified rationality, which is redundancy. Honest elections and replace the Fed.

    Apollonian

82. Fr. Joseph October 18, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

    So let us ALL understand something here…

    All of this brou-ha-ha about politics, economics, governance, social mores, ethics and values – all of this – simply is the overt manifestation in our contemporary World of this:

    Either this World and all of Mankind comes under the Kingship of Christ Jesus and ‘His Boys’ He has placed in positions of Authority and Leadership in HIS Church – or – this World comes under the dominion of Satan and ‘His Boys’ he has placed in positions of authority and leadership in his WORLD of 2009 Anno Domini.

    Now people simply have to MAKE UP THEIR MINDS – it’s either God’s Divine Design or satan’s satanic design for this World and the lives of six billion people.

    The King of all that is seen and Unseen wants for the entire World to acknowledge Him and His Incarnation by a world-wide honoring and acknowledging of HIS MOTHER, the Blessed Virgin Mary.

    Now if the LEADERS of His Church – those with His AUTHORITY in His Church – are simply going to allow this World ‘go to Hell in a handbasket’ by their REFUSAL to honor His Mother with a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of Russia to her Immaculately Loving Heart – there is not very much I can do about that…

    …NOR is there very much I can do about ‘Satan’s offspring’ who are currently ‘Running This Show’ on planet earth.

    – Fr. Joseph

83. Eternal Love October 18, 2009 @ 9:51 pm

    “President Sarkozy complained today that his son Jean was being hounded unjustly as controversy continued to rage over the appointment of the 23-year-old student as head of France’s premium business district.”

    Isn’t the leader Sarko impudent or what? LOL…..

    In any case, the young lad will not do the job. He has very law qualification for it. By the way, he had tried singing and dancing career before but with zero success. Singing/dancing – you have to do it yourself…. But in the new job the French professionals will be working for him and of course the French taxpayers will be paying…… but he will get the very high salary $$$$$ and the fame…..

    This is not only Sarko’s idea (to promote his son to something he is not capable of doing) but also is the khazaric/fake jew plan – to have their young Jewish people in high places/positions in different countries all over the world.

    In 5 – 15 years these young fake Jewish boys will be ready to “attack” the presidents, prime ministers etc. posts (regardless of whether they are suitable for these positions or not) and keep our khazrik/fake Jews ruling over the world for the next 100000 LOL or so years. …

    Some comments coming from the French:

    “Im French, and this is now getting way too far. This is one of numerous “bizarre” event since hes been president, its starting to get on all of us, even Sarkozy voters. I havn’t found anyone yet in my surroundings who is not shocked by this nepotism attempt. 14th of July : it seems we will have to do it again….”
    October 13, 2009 6:48 PM

    Dear French sisters and brothers, do not let Satanic zionist/fake jews plan destroy your beautiful country. Resist their morbid and sick ideas.

    Unfortunately, you do not seem to have realized that when you had elected Sarko for a “leader” of your country you had chosen actually our rude greedy with no morals khazarik/mongolic/turk/fake brothers instead. Mais la Victoire sera la notra. On doit se battre pour ca.

    La victoire sera la notre!!!
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6872785.ece

    Lots of Love,

    Please, support our fundraising campaign to help the Noble efforts of our Brother to promote Christianity and Justice for All!!!

    Eternal Love

84. Fr. Joseph October 18, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

    Dear Enya,

    Com’on, com’on, you need not go about things in a very oblique, tangential manner.
    Surely, it is very much a personal sore-spot and ‘hot button’, this granted men in the Church the title ‘Father’. Let me, at least, make the ATTEMPT to free your mind, heart and spirit from this religious and spiritual IMPEDIMENT your current ‘bible-based’ congregation and leader-pastor has gotten you so TIED UP IN KNOTS interiorly.

    Now when we pray ‘The Lord’s Prayer’, we come across the words ‘Thy Will Be Done, ON EARTH as it is in Heaven’.

    In other words, my dear Enya, what GOD does in Heaven, God WANTS done ‘here on earth’ SO THAT there might be a resonating likeness between Heaven and Earth – for EVERYTHING that is done and GETS done in Heaven is VERY GOOD for all of those who live in His Heaven.

    Now God the Father isn’t ‘Stingy’ nor is God our Father inflicted by or infected with any manner of ‘Restrained Selectiveness’ in the Ways and Manner in which OUR FATHER in Heaven wants to EXPRESS and EXTEND His Divine Goodness, Love and BLESSINGS onto all those to whom He has granted LIFE.

    In Heaven, God the Father grants ‘Eternal Life and Being’ to those in Heaven by graciously ‘INFUSING’ His Only Eternally Begotten Son’s DIVINE LIFE into all the Angels and Saints currently ‘looking down upon ALL OF US’ here on this Planet Earth of God’s Creating and Sustaining.

    Now GOD THE FATHER gave our World His Only Eternally Begotten Son, conceived in the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary by the Divine Life-Giving Power of His Divine Holy Spirit.

    God the Father’s SON who just so happens to be the Son of this Woman, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Most Holy Theotokos, tells us all that HE HIMSELF is the ‘Divine Bread’ that came down from Heaven, given to us ALL by Divine Desire of His Divine Father in Heaven – and that His Flesh, His ‘Incarnate DIVINE Self’ is the Spiritual Nourishment that ALL OF US need in order to ‘keep our SPIRITS alive’.

    Now look – here on earth, people from every corner of the world have NO PROBLEM WHATSOVER stuffing their faces and their guts over and over and over AGAIN with pizzas, cases of beer, filet mignon steaks galore, potato chips, pretzels, pasta, Buffalo Wings (chicken wings in hot sauce), Twinkies, jelly beans and, well…yada yada yada…the types and amounts of EDIBLE STUFF in this World of ours that people the World over have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM stuffing their faces and their guts with 24/7/365/Lifetime just goes on and on and on.

    Now all of this ‘Edible Stuff’ – from Pizzas, Filet Mignons, Cases of Beer galore, etc. – ALL OF THIS ‘Edible Stuff’ exists and has its reality and being DUE TO God’s Divine and Holy Will.

    God, because He is All-good, has made sure that there is this ‘Edible Stuff’ TO EAT and TO DRINK in order to keep these PHYSICAL bodies of ours which is but 1/2 of our God-given, God-created and God-sustained human natures AS ‘incarnate SPIRITS’ going and going and going on SOME MORE.

    Com’on now, if YOU were an ‘all-good goddess’ and if YOU gave life to 6 billion spirits WITH physical bodies, would you be so UN-GODLY as to deprive these 6 billion incarnate spirits you’ve granted LIFE and BEING out of sheer DIVINE LOVE for them all of something TO EAT in order to keep their bodies growing and healthy?

    So what about this OTHER 1/2 seen half of our God-given human natures AS incarnate spriits – male OR female.

    Their SIX BILLION UNSEEN SPIRITS need some sort of NOURISHMENT as well for the sake of their SPIRITUAL health and well-being.

    Now then, JESUS Himself Divinely Reveals that it is His Divine FLESH – His Incarnate SELF – that God the Father provides to and for the sake of the ‘Race of Incarnate Spirits’ in order to keep their inner SPIRITS healthy, alive, nourished and GROWING.

    So you have BOTH ‘The Father’ and ‘The Son’ working TOGETHER in order to bring about Divine Spiritual Nourishment to the peoples of this World of ours who just so happen to be (theolgically speaking) INCARNANTE SPIRITS.

    So the Church’s PRIESTS are given the title ‘FATHER’ because they confect and distribute the BODY AND BLOOD of Jesus – His Flesh – His Incarnate SELF – to the people God Himself has created and granted life in this time/space/matter/energy World of ours.

    When you go to receive Holy Communion – the Body and Blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ – in the Church’s Sacrament of THE EUCHARIST – it would greatly assist you to think about the presiding Priest being ‘The Father’ WHO IS giving YOU His Son’s Own Life as you approarch the Altar of God in His Church.

    If you manage to ‘Match Up’ what is going on here ON EARTH at the Mass or at the Divine Liturgy with what DOES TAKE PLACE in Heaven – God the Father making Divinely ‘Darn Sure’ that EVERYONE gets their ‘Daily Bread’ in order TO ENSURE they can live their Eternal Lives with Him Forever in His Eternal Heaven – then you’ll slowly have these KNOTS/IMPEDIMENTS your current ‘bible-believing’ congregation and its leader-pastor has tied you up with and in slowly and gently UNDONE – and you will be FREED from having to living under ‘their’ bonds and heretical bondage.

    Then you’ll be ‘Free As A Bird’ to wholeheartedly participate in your local ORTHODOX CHURCH’S Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom.

    So while you mull that over, Enya, let me get back to being PELTED WITH STONES from Fr. John and who ever else might NEXT wish to take aim at me here on RZN.

    – Fr. Joseph

85. Fr. Joseph October 18, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

    Dear Enya,

    Went to have a cup of coffee right after posting the above reply to you – and ‘Zap’ – I’m to share the following with you as well.

    God the Father ‘Wants You Home’.

    The Holy Spirit brought to my mind GOD THE FATHER’S Own Words and Thoughts about ‘The Body and Blood’ of His Only Begotten Son, JESUS to share with you:

    “Of course, I can understand My children’s weaknesses! Because of this, I asked My Son to give them the means to get up again after they have fallen. These means will help to purify themselves from their sins, so that they may still be the children of My Love. They are, chiefly, THE SEVEN SACRAMENTS. And the greatest means of securing your salvation, despite your falls, is the Cross, My Son’s Blood poured out upon you every moment, if you so wish, both in the Sacrament of Penance and in THE HOLY SACRIFICE OF THE MASS.” – quoting from

    http://www.theworkofgod.org/Library/Trinity/Father/Message1.htm

    Dear Enya, if you check to see if ‘your’ congretation’s Bible conveys the same information as ‘our’ Bible so as TO CONFIRM what I’ve shared with you, what God the Father has told to Mother Eugenia back in 1932.

    John 6:32-71
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%206:32-71%version=NIV

    1 Corinthians 11:23-32
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20corinthians&2011:23-32&version=NIV

    And ‘For Your Information’, an entirely ‘SECULAR & SCIENTIFIC’ Study of the Sacrament of our Lord’s Body and Blood in the Church’s Sacrament of THE EUCHARIST for your review here:

    http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html

    Now GOD THE FATHER Himself lamented to Mother Eugenia in this Words of His:

    “Believe Me, if you had begun to honor Me with a special devotion from the times of the early Church, after twenty centuries few men would remain living in idolatry, in paganism and in so many FALSE AND EVIL SECTS, in which man is running blindly towards the abyss of eternal fire! And see how much work remains to be done!” – from very last paragraph at

    http://www.theworkofgod.org/Library/Trinity/Father/Message1.htm

    My dear Enya, with over 27,000 ‘denominations’ currently in our contemporary World – did you EVER STOP TO THINK how many of those ‘false and evil sects’ actually obtained their START-UP FUNDING from any number of Rothschild-Rockerfeller Foundations and $$$ Sources?

    All one needs to do in our day and age nowadays is but to go down to a book store, purchase a Bible, get your I.R.S. tax exempt certificate here in the USA – and VIOLA! – you are in the ‘Christian Religion Business’!

    And with NO Bishops, NO Patriachs, NO reference to the Church Fathers, with NO DESIRE to learn about Church History – you get to ‘conjure up’ all sorts of GARBAGE – such as ‘Christian Zionism’, ‘Dispensationalism’, ‘The Rapture’, ‘The Pope Is The Anti-Christ’, ‘The Catholic Church Is The Whore Of Babylon’ and ‘Ya Gotta Start A Third World War In/Over The Middle East To Cause JESUS To Come Back To Earth The Second Time’.

    Enya – God the Father ‘Want’s You Back Safe And Sound Home’ with Him.

    – Fr. Joseph

86. Fr. Joseph October 19, 2009 @ 12:02 am

    Enya,

    Sorry for my typical typos…One more time.

    John 6:32-71
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%206:32-71&version=NIV

    1 Corinthians 11:23-32
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20corinthians%2011:23-32&version=NIV

    – Fr. Joseph

87. miranda October 19, 2009 @ 12:05 am

    I so admire the one holdout to the Lisbon Treaty, but he has announced that there is no way to stop it from taking place, and that it will mean great harm to Europe.

    It also has been well argued that the ‘climate change treaty’ will cause great suffering to the people of the USA, and enrich the zionist bankers and their robber barons. Once Obama signs it in Copenhagan in Dec., our sovereignty is done for.

    I so very much wish there was a way to stop this, and feel so sorry for the youth.

88. jgalindes October 19, 2009 @ 6:02 am

    Dear Father Joseph,

    In fact I’ve seen many places in this world where both material and spiritual nourishment are given desperately by our Church,Its many times self-sacrifying priests and laities.

    Apollonian AND ‘Father’ John are fake christians (may be the same person,who knows?), do not be so worried with them (him?).

    But be careful, there are many jews that are not jews …as well are many christians, with nice websites and all, that are not christians…

    But as many times you’ve said,you are used to deal with satanic elements,minions,etc.

    Always appreciating your words,Father.

89. Fr. Joseph October 19, 2009 @ 9:17 am

    As we watch virtually every aspect of civilized human society go spinning out of control in our contemporary World with NOTHING we can do about it for we are all PREVENTED from doing anything about it, the Grace of God brought flashing to my mind the memory of conversations I had with and information given to me from a gentleman I worked with almost 20 years ago. It would be profitable to all of you if I share my personal lived-life encounter with this particular gentleman and co-worker whose name was ‘Marion’.

    While living in Jacksonville, Florida, having been laid-off from my ‘industrial-military-congressional complex corporate’ job of 14 years, I took a job with a local supermarket in order to keep my family fed. I wound up working in the ‘Produce Department’, and it is there that I met “Marion”.

    Marion and I were probably the the oldest men working in the Produce Department. The rest were all young high school kids working part-time, so Marion and I oftentimes shared ‘living life war stories’.
    I told him about my life experiences and he told me his.

    Marion was a Black American whose family heritage had its roots in the pre-Civil War South. His great grandfather opened several ‘General Stores’ in the South and hence, his particular black family was relatively wealthy and well off given the conditions of pre-post Civil War.

    His entire family valued EDUCATION, hence Marion came from a black family which sought to better their lot through education and keeping loyal and loving family bonds.

    Marion was graciously articulate. Always well dressed, well mannered and always carried with himself the aura of dignity, self-respect and personal concern for others as well as a dedication to his honest-to-goodness work ethic. Hence, many if not most of the troubled black youth working at this store always sought him out as THEIR ‘Father Figure’.

    Marion told me this particular story passed down to him through his black family’s generational heritage which, I think, will help EXPLAIN to all of you the current VERY SAD STATE of our contemporary World regardless of your particular race, creed, color, gender or national origin.

    Shortly after the Civil War, the Rockerfellers steamshipped to Europe and ‘hob-nobbed’ with the Rothschilds and the wealthy influential families of Europe visiting the Capitols of the once SOVEREIGN nations of Europe and, I suppose, the reigning Ruling Families and Nobility of that time.

    During those years AFTER the Civil War, there were ‘Summer Retreats’ built on and along the Altantic Ocean coastline of Florida and ALL of the Wealthy and Influential Financiers and Industrialists of the victorious North would leave the WINTERS of the North to spend the winter season at these Retreat/Resorts in Florida.

    One such place was ‘Flagler, Florida’.

    Marion’s great grandfather relayed this particular episode of one winter’s visitation by one Mr. John Rockerfeller.

    Following his return to the USA after this extended visit to Europe’s Wealthy, Influentials and Nobility, when he was wintering in these Florida Resort-Retreats, a local Baptist minister approached Mr. Rockerfeller and in a dignified fashion advised Mr. Rockerfeller that JESUS had come into this World to ALSO save him from eternal damnation.

    Marion relayed that Mr. Rockerfeller then answered this Baptist minister with the words:

    “It’s too late for me.”

    Mr. Rockerfeller then went for a walk in the town center where he pulled out a large roll of paper CASH/CURRENCY, and he began peeling away individual bills of various denominations and began tossing them out onto the grassy areas of this particular town’s central square.

    The towns people who saw Mr. Rockerfeller tossing about these bills, this cash currency denominated in DOLLARS, would then flock onto the grassy areas in order to pick up, retrieve and collect these DOLLAR BILLS of various denominations.

    While many of the wealthy Resort visiting individuals from the NORTH would go out to the town square in order to FEED THE PIGEONS with corn, wheat or millet, Mr. Rockerfeller was known for his tossing about DOLLARS in order to feed the ‘HUMAN Pigeons’ of the Resort’s region.

    So you see, decades pass, technologies advance, wars are fought, history marches on – and nothing much has changed now, hasn’t it?

    But now, we have Heads of Nations doing the exact same thing the “Po’ Folk” of post-Civil War Florida used to do.

    Like HUMAN PIGEONS, all of the flocking around to peck at, retrieve, collect their BILLIONS of whatever cash-currencies currently printed up.

    And whether they be in Asia, Africa, Europe, Australia or the Americas, then they ALL meet together at ‘Jekyl Island, Georgia’ in order to plan how to SUBVERT people’s national sovereignty so as to make them all SUBJECTS TO the whims, wills, goals and designs of their ‘Private Elite Club of Ruling-Directing Oligarchs’.

    We’ve seen this ‘Popeye and Bluto’ geopolitical pyscho-spiritual CARTOON over and over and over again so many times.

    It sure would be NICE for Almighty God and Father in Heaven TO CHANGE ‘THE CHANNEL’ for us, His spiritual CHILDREN here on earth who have TO WATCH this ages old ‘Horror Movie’!

    – Fr. Joseph

90. Fr. Joseph October 19, 2009 @ 12:41 pm

    Dear Juan,

    Well, all of us are called upon by God ‘TO DO SOMETHING’, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant. You’re doing what you can do, Br. Nathanael is doing with he can do – and by gosh, by golly – I’m trying to do what I can do.

    The Lord’s Catholic Church here on earth isn’t supposed to be the Human Race’s “Department Of Public Works” where the Church’s Mission here on earth is to sit back relegated to a ‘Minimum Wage Job’ of CLEANING UP after everybody’s MESS that they’ve created while either 1) having a GOOD TIME wallowing in SEX, FootBOL, BaseBOL and AlcoHOL, or 2) deciding one party has decided that another human party here on earth ‘Isn’t Fit To Live’ and off they go with their WARS and RIOTS and WHATEVER ELSE that leaves human beings torn apart to pieces and left lying in the city streets like GARBAGE or TRASH.

    The Catholic Church is here on earth to provide LEADERSHIP, to provide GOOD EXAMPLE, to provide Moral and Spiritual EDUCATION, to explain to peoples from every nation on our planet earth WHAT IT IS that our God, our Creator and our Father in Heaven WANTS DONE.

    Now if the Catholic Church and her Laity can go about DISTRIBUTING those vital material necessities that people NEED such as food, clothing, shelter, housing, education, medical care – then why do the supposed ‘Governing Powers’ in our contemporary World CAN’T FIGURE OUT that they, too, are in positions of authority to see to it that their OWN FELLOW CITIZENS have the means to FEED themselves, to CLOTH themselves, to SHELTER-HOUSE themselves, to EDUCATE themselves, to have MEDICAL CARE they can avail themselves?

    Every last blasted so-called ‘Government’ are UTTERLY INCOMPETENT in taking care of their own citizens and the people ‘next door’ living in the nation across from their own borders – and if one but looks upon the VERY SAD SHAPE of our entire World and our Human Race, it would be BETTER for all the European Nations and the United States of America to ‘SURRENDER THEIR SOVEREIGNTY’ to THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS OF THE CHURCH rather than to the satanic Zionists, Jews, Masons, Rosicrucians, Kabbalists, New Agers, Hermetic Orders etc. ad naseum.

    I’m sorry Juan…I’m a wee bit ‘hot under the collar’ on account of having to hear about, having to witness, having to endure this ‘ZOO’, this ‘CIRCUS’ that the Grand Pooh Bah Currency Controlling Elite Cabal are making out of the peoples of once sovereign nations of our World while they go running circles around our Catholic Church and her Hierarchy which has been given the ability to bring about WORLD PEACE and the Kingship of Christ to our World with the Fatima Collegial Consecration of Russia – and THEY just let all of this satanic NON-SENSE just go on and on and on some more while holed up in ‘The Vatican’!

    Again, my apologies…I’ll “calm down” once again, and once again in the future, something or somebody else is going to – once again – hit my ‘Hot Buttons’.

    And around and around it goes – where it stops – nobody knows.

    – Fr. Joseph

91. charlie October 19, 2009 @ 2:23 pm

    Brother Nathanael belongs to the Orthodox Church and Joseph to the Catholic Church and each according to their words is dedicated to his church in a strict manner, relying on the developed dogma, rule and spirituality to guide them in their walk with God in the Union of the Blessed Trinity,their conversion and sanctification.

    I don’t.

    To me Christianity is a personal relationship with Christ himself, a continual testing in the Holy Spirit, a chastisement by him for disobedience and comfort and forgivenes when I repent.

    All of my Christianity stems from this relationship with Christ. I do not value the traditions of the church unless they conform to the person of Jesus christ according to the saying of Jesus “My own know me and I know them.” that is the standard.Therefore I do not fall into error when that error is an institutional one.

    I neither follow the Pope, nor St Paul, nor St Peter, nor any priest or religious lest I am following Christ or the Holy Spirit in the Pope, in St Paul, in St Peter and in any religious OR lay person. It is usually in the lay person that I come face to face with God, in Jesus, united in the One Unity of Father Son and the Holy Ghost. There is no division, neither is there any separation. This is what Christ meant when he said “My own know me and I know them.”

    We may be brought before the person of each but we know they are united in the Divinity, unlike the ‘church’ which is divided on petty grounds mostly stemming from pride and selfishness.

    To whom then does Christ address himself when he says in the words of the Gospel of St Matthew (23 7-12)

    “…and the salutations in the market places, and to be called by men “Rabbi”. be not ye called “Rabbi”, for one is your master, and all ye are brethren,. and call ye father no man upon earth, for one only is your father, who is in heaven.”

    Neither ye be called leaders, for one only is your leader, the Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. He that exalteth himself shall be humbled and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”

92. Fr. Joseph October 19, 2009 @ 2:48 pm

    Let me try EXPLAINING this ‘Deal’ about the necessity of the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA by the Pope and the Bishops of the Catholic Church per the Mother of God’s 1917 A.D. “Fatima Battlefield Instructions” vs. Satan and his seen and unseen allied spiritual legions running amock here on earth amongst us SIX BILLION human souls all created in the Image and Likeness of God.

    Once again, Pope Leo XIII gets a Divine ‘Heads Up!’ “AWACS” early warning of the Satanic ‘Incoming’ back in 1884 A.D.:

    http://www.geocities.com/stmichaelsangels/

    So, per Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17, Jesus ACCEPTS Satan’s challenge with the Divine Intention of using THE WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17 who just so happens to be HIS OWN MOTHER in order to summarily CRUSH this Satan Uprising and Rebellion with and amongst members of the Human Race.

    His Mother, the Blessed Virgin Mary, appears to three children in Fatima, Portugal back in 1917 A.D. giving them ‘Battle Instructions’ vs. Satan and his seen and unseen spiritual allies.

    Her ‘Strategic Air Command’ to the Catholic BISHOPS of her Son’s Church here on earth is to perform a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her Immaculately Loving Heart as God’s NEW EVE to and for all of Mankind as well as the Spiritual Mother to and for ALL members of the Human Race as God’s NEW EVE to and for Mankind.

    For ‘Military SPIRITUAL Intelligence’, all of you can read

    “When asked who the men were, Doctor Dodd refused to name them. But when pressed to say ultimately who ruled this higher (satanic) order, she replied simply ‘SATAN’.

    “In the course of this history-making interview, Rakovsky made it clear that the key to the power of this higher (satanic) order was MONEY. Rakovsky said ‘Money is power, the only power.'” – from

    http://www.fatima.org/books/divimp/dipt2chap2.asp

    So we ALL understand that it is ‘Satan + Money + His Satanic Cult Buddies’ vs. ‘Jesus Christ, King of king and Lord of lords + His Mother + His Bishops + Mankind’ which makes up our past, current and future Human History.

    So UNDERSTAND it boils down to this:

    ‘WHO HAS AUTHORITY & JURISDICTION & LORDSHIP OVER THIS PLANET EARTH AND MANKIND?’

    Satan OR Jesus Christ.

    So there are many OVERLAYING ‘Jurisdictions’ of all sorts and types. There are the so-called POLITICALLY sovereign Fifty States of the USA just as their once was the POLITICALLY sovereign States of Europe.

    Here in the USA, the ‘higher’ and ‘superior’ JURISDICTIONS over and beyond the POLITICAL 50 States of the USA are the TWELVE Federal Reserve Jurisdictions
    as illustrated here:

    http://www.federalreserve.gov/OTHERFRB.HTM

    So SATAN through the POWER OF MONEY here in the USA really and truly “controls” the lives of US citizens from birth to death by various means – via the media, education, bought and paid for politicians, corporate heads, Wall Street, etc. ad nasuem.

    OVERLAPPING both the political jurisdictions of the 50 States of the USA as well as the FINANCIAL jurisdictions of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank are the Catholic DIOCESES of the United States of America with EACH Diocese under the spiritual authority and jurisdiction of its BISHOP! Here is the ‘Spiritual Battlefield Map’ of the Catholic Church’s Dioceses:

    http://www.cdeducation.org/oym/connections/dioceseusmap.htm

    So as U.S. 5 Star General Douglas MacArthur so succinctly and accurately confided to one Catholic Bishop Fulton Sheen:

    “The World Struggle is NOT political or economic. Rather, it is RELIGIOUS and THEOLOGICAL. It is either God or atheism.”

    Now the our RISEN LORD & SAVIOR, Jesus Christ, THE DIVINE LOGOS make Incarnate in the womb of THE WOMAN who conceived her Child by the Divine Power of God the Holy Spirit, said of Himself:

    “ALL AUTHORITY in Heaven AN ON EARTH has been given to Me.” – Matthew 28:20

    That means HIS DIVINE AUTHORITY is vastly and infinitely HIGHER and MORE POWERFUL that any political collectivity or financial corporation in THIS World and ON our Planet Earth.

    Now ‘IF’ the Bishops of ALL the Catholic Church’s Dioceses THROUGHOUT THE WORLD performed a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to His Mother’s Immaculately Loving Heart as per her 1917 A.D. Fatima Portugal Divine ‘STRATEGIC AIR COMMAND’ Spiritual Aerial Bombardment Plan – all of these SATANIC FORCES working in our nation’s governments, their politics, their economies, their financial mechanisms and manipulated world markets wind up getting DIVINELY ‘NUKED’ off the face of our planet earth INSTEAD OF Satan getting our Human Race NUKED from the face of this planet earth in a thermonuclear Third World War.

    There ya’ll go – you have the necessary Insight, Information and Spiritual Military Intelligence about what is REALLY ‘Going Down’.

    Give Pope Benedict XVI an e-mail encouraging him ‘TO NUKE’ Satan and his satanic allies/forces BEFORE we members of the Human Race suffer that fate.

    Insist that the Pope ORDER the Catholic Church’s Bishops to perform the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of Russia per the Mother of God’s 1917 A.D. “Battlefield Instructions”

    benedictxvi@vatican.va

    “My People PERISH for lack of knowledge.”
    – Hosea 4:6

    “Not on MY WATCH – that is, if I can help it!”

    – Fr. Joseph

93. jgalindes October 19, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

    An interesting article by Israel Shamir worth reading:

    Translating the Bible into Hebrew

    http://www.israelshamir.net/shamirReaders/english/Shamir–Translating-the-Bible-into-Hebrew.php

94. Paul October 19, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

    To jgalindes,

    thank you for that article by Israel Shamir. To Fr. John, I am dismayed by your comment on my post about “The true Israel is not composed of any nation or race. It is composed of those who accept Jesus Christ in Faith.”

    As you well know the Jews believe they are the Chosen people. Actually, even in England some believe that the British people are one of the lost tribes. Also, some African Americans believe they are also one of the lost tribes of Israel.

    The idea of a Chosen People will not hold water for this basic reason. “No Church or Nation is saved en mass. The relationship with God is an individual relationship. A man must give his own heart, make his own submission, surrender his own life to God.

    A man is not saved because he is a member of a nation, or because he is a member of a family, or because he has inherited Righteousness and Salvation from his ancestors: He is saved because he has made an Individual and Personal decision for God.

    It is not now the whole nation who are lumped together en mass as the Chosen People. It is those individual men and women who have given their hearts to God, and who have obeyed Him.

    You also state Koestler’s book, ‘The Thirteenth Tribe’ should be required reading to defuse the ‘bomb’ of Khazarians ’saying they are Jews, and are not.’ [Rev. 2:8,9]

    I have read this book and i did enjoy it, but Rev 2:8,9 is not referring to the Khazar’s….you use this as an example. Please. Both Paul and John insist that the real Jew is not the man whose flesh and blood decent can be traced to Abraham.

    The real Jew is the man who has made the same decision of utter yieldedness to God in loveing Faith, which Abraham made. Therefore, Paul and John argued, there are many Pure-blooded Jews who are not Jews in the real sense of the term at all; and there are many people who come from all nations who are really Jews in the true sense of that word.

    paul

    The true Israel is not composed of any nation or race. It is composed of those who accept Jesus Christ in Faith

    If there is any thing universalist in what i say please explain!

95. KathJuliane October 20, 2009 @ 7:31 pm

    Re: “Church and Laity”.

    F. Joseph this is interesting terminology.

    Does this mean to you that in the RCC the “Church” is the Papacy and the ordained ecclesiastical clerics, while the Laity are a separated sub-section?

    If so, then this would be the product of Western development of clericalism as the elite “breed apart” from the laity under the Papacy commencing about the 11th century in the major reforms, innovations and push for centralization from Rome. According to the Gregorian concept the priests were to form a disciplined army moving completely in step with the Pope, set off from profane occupations and the vulgar people, and ruling over an obedient, grateful and receptive laity composed of kings, lords, and peasants alike.

    During the medieval era of many papal reforms after the collapse of Charlemagne’s empire into utter religious chaos and corruption widely affecting the ecclesiastical hierarchy, Catholic Historian Tomas Bokenkotter writes:

    “It was the Mass [from the late Latin word “missa” or “dismissal” used in the concluding formula of Mass] that the separation of clergy from people was made dramatically evident. In the West while the Mass had retained its basic meal structure, it moved away from its original character as an action of the whole community. This tendency was intensified during the Middle Ages. The people were gradually excluded from all participation, and the Mass became exclusively the priest’s business, with the people reduced to the role of spectators.

    “In the medieval Mass, the people stood at a distance from the priest who whispered the liturgy in a language they did not understand, separated by a heavy railing, which emphasized the sacredness of the sanctuary. No longer were they allowed to bring up their ordinary bread for consecration; the priest consecrated unleavened bread already prepared in coin-like form. Nor were the people allowed to take the wafer in their hands, standing as they once did; now they had to kneel and receive it on the tongue, while the chalice was withheld from them.

    “The transcendental, awesome, and mysterious nature of the Mass was allowed to blot out almost completely the original spirit of community participation. It was something that happened at the altar, it was the “epiphany of God.” It was something you watched. Only monks, nuns and priests received communion frequently.

    “The main object of the layman in coming to Mass was to see the consecrated wafer, and for many the climax came when the priest elevated it after the Consecration. A warning bell was rung beforehand to alert the faithful, many of whom would wander around town going from church to church just to be present at the elevation.

    Sometimes they would pay the priest a special stipend just to hold the host up higher and for a longer time, and some even engaged in lawsuits in order to get the best place for viewing the host. This attitude gave rise to various devotions that focused on the host.” – A Concise History of the Catholic Church – Thomas Bokenkotter (p. 155)

    By far the most ancient practice, the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox (and Greek Catholics in allegiance to the Pope) have consistently and to this day given Communion under both species communally from the same chalice at the Holy Eucharist [Gk – “thanksgiving”]; that is, both the consecrated bread and wine are given to all communicants, just as the Orthodox administer the sacraments of initiation – baptism, chrismation and Holy Eucharist – jointly all at once, just as the early Church did for infants and newly baptized catechumens alike.

    Roman Catholics normally give lay communicants the consecrated bread alone, while the sacraments of initiation has been separated by the RCC and even disrupted their normal order: administering baptism, then Eucharist at some point, and the confirmation (chrismation).

    Recognizing this, Vatican II recommended restoration of Communion under both species, even though this is still not done in a typical parish on a typical Sunday so far as I know, but in some places, Roman Catholics have recognized the greater antiquity of the Orthodox practice and are attempting to restore it within their own church.

    The Catholic Mark Shea on his blog concerning clericalism, concerning the perception that the institutional ecclesiastical hierarchy is “the Church” and the Laity are “the laity” which is one of the great controversial historically bloody issues between Catholicism and Protestantism and in which Orthodoxy never played any part in the West’s long grueling history, wrote:

    “A few years back, Russell Shaw wrote a terrific book called ‘ To Hunt, To Shoot, To Entertain: Clericalism and the Catholic Laity’. It took its title from an amazing remark by a 19th-century English monsignor who loftily declared, “What is the province of the laity? To hunt, to shoot, to entertain. These matters they understand, but to meddle with ecclesiastical matters they have no right at all.”

    Shea further writes: John Henry Cardinal Newman disagreed, pointing out that during the Arian crisis, it was the laity who kept the Faith while the majority of bishops vacillated, caved to heresy, or were silent during the 60 years of the crisis.”

    And throughout the history of the Church, especially in the East whose faithful bore the heaviest lashes and shed the most blood through all of the controversies that were eventually resolved through the Ecumenical Synods of the Church, quite often it was “the laity” and the monastics that kept the flames of authentic Faith alive through persecution, exile, torture and martyrdom as a consequence even at the hand of their own authorities. This was particularly evident in the Iconoclastic Controversy that raged centered mostly in the East for nearly two centuries, to the final Triumph of Orthodoxy in both East and West in the 8th century.

96. KathJuliane October 20, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

    Shea writes: “Clericalism is basically the bad idea that only the ordained and religious are fully Catholic [and its corollaries in the Anglican communion that gave rise to the Puritan East Anglican reformers] and that laypeople are more or less second-class. With that idea comes a host of other bad ideas, such as “Father is always right,” “Never disagree if a bishop does it,” and “Don’t question anything a priest or bishop does.”

    “The error of clericalism (and its real desire) is not ministry, but aristocratic power. Clericalists, both lay and ordained, see the priesthood as a place of power, and hunger for it.” [Shea said this, not me, F. Joseph, nor does the Protestant world entirely escape the dynamics of “clericalism” even if they don’t call it that, nor has the Eastern Church ever been unaffected, especially after “Westernization” began to creep in.].

    But Jesus Christ saw the Priesthood as a place of humble service and how He taught the disciples to be instead of haughty and pretentious rabbis, just as He sat down on the grass to teach the people; took the children up in His arms when it was forbidden for children to come close to any rabbi or sopher (lawyer or sage); “had no place to rest His head” and depended on people’s hospitality; was always walking among the people blessing and healing them and leading them into a higher faith, inclusive of God-fearers, sinners, publicans, the widowed, orphaned, and pagans, as well as in the homes of a self-righteous Pharisee or two.

    So does the living historic ancient Eastern Orthodox Church and her priesthood, most of whom are married and have families and live within the parish community, enduring the same daily toils, trials and circumstances, just as pastoral priests (or “secular” / “rustic” priests in the Catholic system), celibate or married, have always done in simple living faith shepherding their parish flocks in every part of the world, as do humble Bible-believing pastors.

    Following the practice of the ancient Church, the Orthodox do not insist that celibacy be strictly imposed as a requirement for ordination to the priesthood, as long as the candidate is married prior to the ordination, after which marriage is then not permitted.

    We Orthodox, are called to obey [“listen attentively and respond to”] our bishops and priests in matters of faith and morals and in terms of spiritual askesis [“athletics”, or discipline as fully as possible. And we are called to love and honor our bishops as spiritual fathers, along with our priests and deacons, along with spiritual fathers and elders elsewhere found in the monastic life (including some “mothers”) but we have to hold them to account in light of Holy Tradition at the peril of our own souls if we don’t for fear of being misled because there are also times when we must obey God, rather than men in defense of Faith.

    Apart from the binding dogmas and canons of faith as established by the Holy Seven Ecumenical Synods of the Church, we are not absolutely required to reflexively approve everything they do out of blind obedience simply because of their ordination status. This is especially so when it contradicts the clear teaching of Jesus Christ and His Church as found in Sacred Scripture and the patristic “mind” of the Church and Holy Apostolic Tradition, especially when historically it was also usually charismatic ordained clergy that sparked heretical movements to begin with.

    Nor are theologians restricted to the ecclesiastical hierarchy, or treated as yet another sub-order inside of the Church, as there are numerous lay theologians, religious philosophers and scholars, both men and women.

    What then is the Church? The Church is an Organism, not an Institution. As something of a aphorism, the Orthodox Church sees herself as an institution inside of a much greater mystery of the invisible and ever-present Lord Jesus Christ, while the Catholic Church sees herself as an institution that contains a mystery, with the Pope as the guardian of the faith while Jesus Christ is visibly absent.

    O.E. cirice “church,” from W.Gmc. *kirika, from Gk. kyriake (oikia) “Lord’s (house),” from kyrios “ruler, lord.” Gk. kyriakon (adj.) “of the Lord” was used of houses or edifices of Christian worship and community [‘house(hold)] of the Lord’] since c.300 in the sense of “tabernacling” with Immanuel, especially in the East, though it was less common in this sense than ekklesia [assembly of the called out ones or faithful] or basilike.

    An example of the direct Gk.-to-Gmc. progress of many Christian words, via the Goths; it was probably used by W.Gmc. people in their pre-Christian period. Also picked up by Slavic, via Gmc. (cf. O.Slav. criky, Rus. cerkov). Romance and Celtic languages use variants of L. ecclesia.

    Properly the edifice is the “temple” where the “Church”, the people of God in heaven, the glorified saints and martyrs, and on earth along with the heavenly hosts, meets in liturgical assembly to worship and sing praise to the Lord God Almighty.

    And, people may toss around such words as “triumphalism”, etc., and your teeth certainly go on edge whenever an Orthodox speaks up about the true Church and Tradition, and you may attempt to keep casting it in our teeth about how mad you are at us “stubborn Orthodox”, but the historical facts still remain that despite all of her struggles – and she has many – the Orthodox Church has maintained, without distorting addition or damaging detraction, the Faith of the Apostles, the Faith of the ancient Church.

    The Eastern Orthodox Church is not politically powerful, or wealthy, or particularly erudite, and in historical fact has always been the “Crucified Church” throughout her entire history by outside worldly conquering forces from north, south, east and finally west, and the war against her is still going on today on all levels.

    But she possesses the indwelling of that Spirit who bears witness to Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior, the Spirit Who fosters the experience of the risen Lord that has enabled all true Christians to believe, and regardless of what you may personally think, F. Joseph, Protestants and Catholics are investigating, studying, and discovering what the Orthodox people have kept as the legacy and inheritence of Christians everywhere. To be Orthodox is to have access to the Christian life and experience in its fullest, clearest and pristine form.

    For Orthodox Christians, without ever impugning the goodness and sincerity of other Christians clinging tightly to the mustard seed of faith in these difficult times after a long millennium of Western darkness and religious chaos and schisms, entirely affirm that it is in the Orthodox Church that the fullness of Christian truth and grace is found.

    F. Joseph, if that is not so, then how is it that the Catholic Church is “rediscovering” the patristic theology of the ancient historical Church, the Theology that Orthodoxy never abandoned?

97. KathJuliane October 20, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

    On “Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.” The actual context is about calling the Pharisee and Rabbi hypocrites [playacters] as “fathers” which was bringing Jerusalem and Judea to ruin.

    Matthew 22:36 – 46 Jesus Christ takes the offensive against the Pharisees and Rabbis, exposing them as pseudo-scholars who did not understand the Written Torah or OT Scriptures, supposing that the political “Jewish Messiah” would be a mere man, yet David as king of Israel would not address anyone as “my Lord” (Ps. 110:1) except God Himself.

    Therefore, this psalm verse describes God talking to God – the Father and the Son – which contradicts the Pharisees’ views of God as one Person, and by way of this, Christ introduces the doctrine of the Holy Triunity.

    Matthew 23:1-36

    Jesus spoke His grand critique of the Pharisees and Rabbis [originally Babylonian: masters, chiefs, princes, “great ones”, who had pretentiously assumed the “mantle of the Holy Spirit” after “prophecy died” about 400 years earlier in Israel] and abuses of authority in this chapter.

    (1) They have religious authority and many God-given commandments, but they are personally ungodly, cold-hearted and vainglorious.

    Their teaching if it accords with Scripture and sound tradition is to be honored, as the Moses’ Seat (a ruler or a judge stood on delivering a judgment, but a teacher sits) was the special chair in the synagogue assigned to the most famous rabbi of the town, and from where he would directly expound from Scripture readings of the day, but they themselves are not to be imitated by either the disciples or the multitudes that Jesus then turned and spoke to after dealing with the Pharisee fraternity.

    (2) God is our true Father. A true teacher leads his people to God. The Pharisees do the opposite, placing themselves in God’s stead (vv 8-12).

    (3) In His eightfold indictment of the Pharisees (vv. 13-36), Jesus charges them with inverting God’s values and with being mean-spirited, greedy, ambitious, absorbed in mere externals, hypocritical [play-actors], and blindly self-righteous.

    Orthodoxy and authentic Christians have always understood this admonishment that it will be much worse for Christians who lapse into patterns of religious life similar to the scribes’ (Sophers, or “wise men”) and Pharisees!

    The rabbinic teachers assumed an intrinsic value for their own office established according to the “traditions of men” as the seat of religious authority, having usurped it from Mosaic authority of the holy priesthood and Levites under the old dispensation. According to the prevailing system of the Pharisees, the student in rabbinic tradition submitted himself to his master’s authority in a total and servile manner.

    The call of Jesus Christ to His disciples differed radically from the rabbinic system in that (1) the disciples were not merely servants but beloved friends; (2) their calling as His disciples did not imply that they themselves would become independent masters; (3) the brotherhood of disciples would remain unified and loyal to Jesus.

    In 23:9, 10 Jesus warns against calling the hypocrites [play-actors] ‘father’ [equating themselves as “great ones” on equal footing with the holy Moses, holy Abraham, and even God Himself – the Talmud contains many blasphemous and presumptuous examples of rabbis elevating themselves to heaven in order to instruct God on how to run the universe or interpret His divine Law] and ‘teacher’. Far from being a prohibition against using these terms under any circumstances, it is a warning not to use them undeservedly.

    Both terms, ‘father’ and ‘teacher’, are applied to men in the NT. “Father” is used in Luke 16:24; 1 Cor 4:15; and Col. 3:21. In the earliest Christian communities, this term was applied to bishops and presbyters, because the represent the Father in the Church. “Teacher” is used in John 3:10; 1 Cor 12:28; Eph. 4:11; and 2 Tim 1:11.

    At 23:13 The Pharisees perpetuate a systematic hypocrisy which creates a wall between people and God.

    23:23-33. These warnings are especially important to Orthodox Christians, and we take them very seriously [and yes, F. Joseph and charlie, there will always be “tares” in the Orthodox Church as well since everywhere there are carnal, nominal Christians and will be until Judgment Day, and all of us are still fallen sinners subject to many temptations].

    The ancient historic Church has maintained the ancient liturgical obligations (23, 24), beautiful holy objects (vv. 25, 26), specific rituals which externally guard righteousness (vv. 27, 28), an imposing Tradition, handed down through God-fearing fathers. These rites can be performed, invoked, defended and passed on without ever being taken by faith to heart; or they can be helps, safeguards and doorways into the true life in Christ in us, which transforms us inwardly from glory to glory in the liturgical life and doxology of Sacred Tradition.

    At 23:23 Jesus is not against externals, but very clearly considers them of lesser significance especially in the face of the practice of legalisms and ritualisms subsitituting for the weightier matters of trust and obedience to God in justice, mercy and faith.

    In verse 24, in the ancient world, strainers were attached to the mouths of decanters, because any liquid might contain foreign matter. Pharasaic observance used the strainer also to strain out any ritually unclean substance which one might accidentally consume.

    This ‘gnat and camel’ analogy about Blind Guides points out how carefully the scribes and the proud and pretentious Pharisees observed the minutiae of the Rabbinic Law, while negating the most significant aspects of the Written Law, appearing righteous to outward appearances while being hypocritical, lawless and whitewashed tombs full of corruption and death.

98. Fr. Joseph October 20, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

    KathJuliane,

    Now in the Serbian ORTHODOX Church, do you have what is called the SACRAMENT of Holy Orders? Yes or no?

    Now I ask all of the ORTHODOX Christians who read these RZN articles and commentary to either AGREE or DISAGREE with me.

    Here is your ORTHODOX ‘Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom’:

    http://www.ocf.org/OrthodoxPage/liturgy/liturgy.html

    Does not the following appear in ‘The Great Litany and the Antiphons’??

    ‘DEACON: For our ARCHBISHOP, our BISHOP, the honorable prebyters (i.e. ‘PRIESTS’), the DEACONS in the service of Christ, and all of the CLERGY and LAITY, let us pray to the Lord.’

    Now does having ARCHBISHOPS, BISHOPS, PRIESTS, DEACONS who are the CLERGY along with the Orthodox LAITY – does that constitute ‘CLERICALISM’ in the Orthodox Church – the SAME sort of ‘CLERICALISM’ that the mean, old, nasty BISHOP OF ROME is accused of by KathJuliane.

    Now LOOK!

    We ALL owe it to our Divine Savior and Lord Jesus, THE CHRIST, to take a very deep and serious look at WHY so many of you ORTHODOX here on RZN just go on and on and on with your simmering desires to ‘TAKE SHOTS AT’ the Catholic Church over and over and over again.

    – Fr. Joseph

99. Fr. Joseph October 20, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

    And here is something for all of you ORTHODOX Christians who just can’t wait to ‘thrown your stones’ at the Catholic Church.

    “A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE RUSSIAN BYZANTINE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND THE RUSSIAN CATHOLICS”

    http://rumkatkilise.org/necplus.htm

    So as a CATHOLIC Christian, I have ‘no problem whatsover’ with you RUSSIAN Orthodox Christians ‘doing YOUR thing’ BECAUSE the Bishop of Rome sez TO KEEP TO YOUR ‘TRADITIONS’ there in the East.

    Now can all of you ORTHODOX here on RZN “get OFF my back” ’cause I’m trying TO WIN A WAR vs. THE CHURCH’S ARCHENEMY – SATAN and his human allies here in this World of ours – in my own small and incredibly insignificant way.

    Thank you.

    – Fr. Joseph

100. Fr. Joseph October 21, 2009 @ 11:45 am

     Now it’s MY ‘Tough Luck!’ to have to contend with all of you ORTHODOX here on RZN, such as KathJuliane and others, because the SINGLE GREATEST and OVERARCHING religious and spiritual concern of yours is to go on and on and on about how the Catholic Church is so WRONG and how the Orthodox Church is so RIGHT.

     How UTTERLY unfaithful to the Apostolic Faith and to the Holy Spirit is “our” Catholic practice of BLESSING OURSELVES with the Sign of the Cross using the TIPS of our FINGERS joined along their entire lenght, side-to-side and – GET THIS – making the Sign of the Cross from our LEFT shoulder and then to our RIGHT shoulder.

     My word! Such an APOSTATE Catholic Church!

     Don’t we CATHOLICS understand that the one, true, holy and Apostolic Way of making the Sign of the Cross upon ourselves is to take the THUMB, the FOREFINGER and the MIDDLE FINGER, group them together – and THEN make the Sign of the Cross upon ourselves – and NOT from the LEFT shoulder and then to the RIGHT shoulder – APOSTATE CATHOLICS! – since the PROPER and ORTHODOX way of making the Sign of the Cross is from the RIGHT shoulder to the LEFT shoulder – and NOT ‘the other way around’!

     So that’s MY ‘Tough Luck’ as a Catholic here on this RZN website.

     But for all of you ORTHODOX out there – ALL OF YOU have your own ‘TOUGH LUCK!’ to deal with.

     ‘Tough Luck!’ It was the Bishop of Rome, Pope Leo XIII who back in 1884 A.D. was granted the Divine Logos’ ‘Heads Up!’ that Satan was GRANTED HIS WISH to sift the Church like wheat – and along with the Church – ALL OF MANKIND as well.
     http://www.geocities.com/stmichaelsangels/

     And ‘Tough Luck!’ you Orthdoox. YOU don’t have to contend with SATANISTS wrecking every last facet of YOUR Orthodox Church

     Satanism Is Practiced in THE VATICAN
     http://www.fatima.org/news/newsviews/milsatanism.asp
     http://www.tldm.org/news/martin.htm

     So maybe it is on account of the members of the ORTHODOX Church here on RZN who are all “Jealous” that the Satanic Masons didn’t think too much or too highly about YOUR Orthodox Church to write a ‘Permanent Instruction of the Alta Venditi’ aimed at the SATANIC DESTRUCTION of your Orthodox Churches!
     http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/alta_venditi.html

     Maybe you chronic anti-Catholic Church Orthodox here on RZN are “jealous” you don’t have ‘The Deities of Masonry’ doing everything possible to BRING DOWN your Orthodox Church!

     ‘The Deities of Masonry’
     http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/mason1.htm#018

     Maybe you Orthodox here on RZN are ‘jealous’ Satan’s legions doesn’t think that it is necessary to get his Satanists imbedded into and throughout YOUR Orthodox Churches.

     ‘A List of Masons in the Hierarchy of the Catholic Church’
     http://www.crossspot.net/ldprophet/Freemasons.htm

     Maybe your ORTHODOX here on RZN are “jealous” that the Most Holy Theotokos, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God DIDN’T APPEAR to some pious GREEK or RUSSIAN Orthodox Abbot or Monk on the GREEK Island of Mount Athos, but rather to a JAPANESE CATHOLIC NUN, Sr. Anges, as Our Lady of Akita, Japan, to give her warning to THE CHURCH and to ALL MANKIND that God is SO ANGRY with the whole lot of us – both INSIDE His Church and those in ‘the World’ – that God the Father is mulling over the Divine Thought of BURNING UP this entire planet earth of ours!

     So it’s ALL of our ‘Tough Luck!’ that GOD HIMSELF is entirely UPSET and ANGRY that the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church and ALL OF MANKIND that His Commands given to the CATHOLIC CHURCH and to all of Mankind via His Mother, the Most Holy Theotokos, the Blessed Virgin Mary as OUR LADY OF FATIMA, PORTUGAL 1917 A.D. is “trashed/discarded” because of what some ORTHODOX Patriarchs, Metropolitans, Bishops, Clergy, Theologians, Lay Faithful just keep on calling ‘Of DEMONIC Origins’
     and out of ‘FEAR OF THE JEWS & MASONS’ throughout my Catholic Church.

     EVERYONE is dealing with ‘Tough Luck!’

     – Fr. Joseph

101. jgalindes October 21, 2009 @ 1:02 pm

     Dear Fr.Joseph,

     Above argument looked so good to me.

     Always wondering why those satanic secret societies always wanted to especifically destroy the RCC not anyone else.

     If satan is so interested in destroying our Church, I conclude is because spiritually, it is an unsurmountable obstacle to his evil designs.

     Somewhat reconfirming, I undestand,the sacred duty received from the Lord Jesus.

102. jgalindes October 21, 2009 @ 1:26 pm

     Fr.Joseph,
     “Permanent instruction of the Alta Vendita’ correct link:

     http://freemasonrywatch.org/alta_vendita.html

103. KathJuliane October 21, 2009 @ 2:05 pm

     According to the Orthodox, the pope of Rome enjoyed a status of “first among equals.” That is, all bishops are fundamentally equal; there is no such thing as an episcopus episcoporum, a “bishop of bishops.” Certain bishops in Orthodoxy – patriarchs, metropolitians, archbishops – enjoy special status *among* their brother bishops but not *above* them. They lead other bishops by forming consensus, not by unilaterally issuing peremptory decrees.

     The Scriptural proto model of this is the Apostolic Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15 dating c. 49 AD, a precedent of tremendous importance for the government of the Church.

     The first major dispute in the Church: Must Gentile converts keep the Law of Moses, particularly the rite of circumcision? The “certain men” who advocate circumcision as a requirement for salvation were conservative Christians of the circumcision (v. 11:2, Gal. 2:12), some of whom belonged to the sect of the Pharisees (v. 5). This controversy would be settled not in Antioch (14:26) but by the all the Apostles and elders in Jerusalem.

     Some view the early Church as ideal, perfect; yet in this controversy there is “no small dissension.” However, the Christian community has a way to resolve doctrinal disputes: IN COUNCIL. This has always been and still is the practice of the Orthodox Church. Hence we are known as the Church of the Councils, for it continues the practice of solving disputes in council.

     In 15:4 Paul and Barnabas are not on trial, but their work among the Nations has to be judged by the consensus or common agreement of the Church. For the sake of unity of the Church, Paul and Barnabas are humbly willing to submit to God’s judgment in council. At 15:13, James the Just, the “brother” of the Lord, speaks as the first bishop of the Jerusalem church, which ancient records reveal him to be.

     At 15:13 the word “agree” translates as ~sumphoneo~, the Greek word from which we get “symphony”. In essence, James is saying, “This is in symphony with what God said through the prophets as it is written in Scripture. Therefore, it is the work of God.”

     At 15:19, James says “Therefore I judge” but does not mean “I think”, or “in my opinion.” James is making the final decision here as the president of the Council. However, this is not his private opinion; he is summarizing the consensus of the council. His speaking last indicates that he is the bishop of the Mother Church of Jerusalem.

     15:23-29 is the earliest known apostolic letter, sent from the church of Jerusalem to the church of Antioch, and is a kind of canon law. In this decree, the statement “It seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us” (which starts with the identity of the decree as authored by “the apostles, elders, and brethren” of the Jerusalem Council”) demonstrates the unity between the work of the Holy Spirit and the Church. The Holy Spirit is speaking through the agency of the Council, the Church cooperating with God.

     In other words, no bishop in Orthodoxy in agreement with Scripture and Sacred Tradition and canons passed down by Fathers of the East and West through the Holy Synods has the right to push aside a brother bishop and impose his will in that bishop’s territory.

     Church historians recognized that, in organizing itself in the first few centuries prior to Constantine, the ancient Church followed the “principle of accommodation.” That is, the cities of greatest importance politically in the empire came to be recognized also as the primary bishoprics in the early Church simply because of their size and dignity.

     Gradually, five cities of great prominence in the empire emerged as the five preeminent “patriarchal” apostolic sees in the Church: as ratified by the Holy Synods as being Ancient Rome, Constantinople-New Rome, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem.

     Old Rome held a primacy of influence among them – not because the church there had been founded by Apostle Peter, as he had been the bishop in Antioch for about 15-20 years or more before he ever saw Rome, but because it was the church of the capital metropolis prior to Diocletian’s disestablishment of it during his reforms of the imperial Tetrarchy in the late 3rd century just prior to the great persecutions.

     This is why Constantinople held the second position of honor – because Constantine in the fourth century made it the new imperial capital or “New Rome”. At the founding of the city as the imperial capital in 330, Emperor Constantine dedicated Byzantion to the Mother of God, and therefore the entire Roman Empire. The city was renamed Constantinople after his death.

104. charlie October 21, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

     Kathjulianne, your discussion on the method of resolution of disputes in the early church shows the brotherhood which existed, then as opposed to a fatherhood of elders and sons- you then spoil your exposition by referring to the fathers of the church…

     “…and the salutations in the market places, and to be called by men “Rabbi”. be not ye called “Rabbi”, for one is your master, and all ye are brethren,. and call ye father no man upon earth, for one only is your father, who is in heaven.”

     Neither ye be called leaders, for one only is your leader, the Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. He that exalteth himself shall be humbled and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”

     Kathjulianne obviously has difficulty understanding the English language, but thats OK.

     Free lesson.
     1.

     Christ said, according to the holy inspired word of the Gospel on which we believe through Jesus Christ

     “call ye father no man upon earth”

     Kathjulianne interprets this as and I must paraphrase her convoluted deception

     call ye father no hypocritical scribe or pharisee – note – is referring only to the hypocritical ones – how even are we to judge that.?

     who are we to believe, Christ……or Kathjulianne?

     the phrases are not the same

     ‘ no man upon earth’ –

     does not equal a select group, aka

     ‘hypocritical scribes and pharisees’,

     as Kathjulianne insists, no matter what kind of spin you put on it.

     Now is Kathjulianne suggesting that Christ is addressing in the above quote, scribes and pharisees or their followers – and not his own disciples?
     This is the crux of the issue.

     If this is the case then what is the meaning of the phrase
     ” ..for one is your master and all ye are brethren.”
     is that not referring to Christ, and His followers? ….surely.

     or of the phrase
     ” ..for only one is your leader, the Christ.”,

     Aha, here Christ has definitively let us all in on the secret, and he is definitely not referring to the Pharissee and scribes then, or their followers; nor is he for that matter when he says

     “for one only is your father who is in heaven.”

     as Christ says of them “you are of your father, the devil”

     No, it is clear Christ in the above passage is addressing his own disciples, where he clearly lays out in the simplest yet grandest terms the method of association of one to the other an as clarified by Kathjulianne in the conduct of the early church in her last post.

     Again, Christ clearly refers to the scribes and pharisees, as “they” not as “you” in the above passage, to delineate between his own disciples and the scribes and pharisees, and isthus instructing his own disciples not someone else’s.

     Her argument and the argument of the institutions that purport to represent Christ is that the term father should not be used outside the christian context except, presumeably in reference to your own father, but that it is alright within the Christian context.

     However poorly, I have tried to demonstrate that this is not the case, that Christ was referring SPECIFICALLY to his disciples WITHIN the Christian context and not to any select group, particularly not outside his followers, for by this very definition, if they are not his followers they would not take his advice anyway.

     I have done this by demolishing the concept that when Christ says one thing he really means another.
     ie that ‘NO MAN ON EARTH’ really means,
     ‘just a select group of people’ –

     The two are opposites and the concept that one thing means its opposite is something which belongs to the realm of “good is bad” and “war is peace”.

     No man on earth would make such a ridiculous assertion point blank let alone the prince of truth.

     All of the above is self evident from a true reading of the Bible, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, wherein it become simple, easy to read. No one should ever attempt to read it without God’s grace, ie without a humble heart and a sincere and honest desire for the truth and holy guidance, for verily, as it says in the gospel itself, it will be a stumbling block to many, but to those who are being saved, the words of life.

     2.

     You also go on to describe several references where the term ‘teacher’ is used in the New Testament -by inference suggesting that I or the passage of Christ, quoted, has said that no one should use the term ‘teacher’ either.

     …..where in the above quote from the gospel of Mathew that I have given, or anywhere is there a mention of the term ‘teacher’ let alone in the context that it should not be used….read it again , if you doubt. There is no mention of the word ‘teacher’.

     Thats called confusing the issue, in its mildest sense.
     It could also be called brainwashing.

     Call no man “master”, call no man “leader”, call no man “father”.- no mention of the term teacher.

     We have not been given a spirit of deception, but of truth, nor of division, but of unity, neither of dissention but of reconciliation.

     A spirit of gentleness, meekness, humility and perserverence.

     St Augustine is wrong when, even after his conversion, in his writings he claims disbelief in the existence of the soul of a foetus of any age.

     Likewise much has been deleted from the Apostolic writings in the New Testament, how convenient the church decided to leave in this one reference to fatherhood by St Paul.

     Also try to fathom the meaning of his long dissertation on Melchisadek, which if you follow it leads to the inescapable conclusion that Melchisadek is God himself!

     But we have the testimony of the “Book of the Just” so revered by the Old Testament writers, that Melchisadek was Shem, the son of Noah, and that thus the longevity of the pre-flood family of man was not lost on him!

     The Book of the Just has also been verified with remarkable detail by modern archaeological discovery.

     The only other reference to ‘father’ Kathjulianne gives is that of a quote from a soul in hell. Not a very convincing source in my opinion.

     There is much to dispute in your above posts particularly as regards the Catholic church which you and/or the authors you read, are trying to understand, without the light of truth, even going so far as to suggest that Vatican II was a step in the right direction, herein your hypocricy starts to show itself, so you’ll forgive me if I reject your burying of the truth in a bizarre collection of facts wrongly interpreted to give the opposite to their true meaning.

     I know that you will one day realize the truth, through the powerful gift of Gods grace but I will leave you with this thought. St Joseph, the patron of the universal church has not been idle. It is the western church which has evangelized the whole world and does so to this day.

     It is Christ which gives it its character, and the Holy Spirit which dignifies it, in spite of its many abuses through the ages, but alas these abuses are not those you accuse it of, for you know nothing of the catholic faith which is a charism of the Holy Spirit, nor of its fruits,throughout these 2000 years, because you have chosen to ignore them.

     This is obvious given given your propensity for study and historical record. Your portrayal of the Catholic church is thus offensive to me and every Catholic and constitutes rather than an admonition and a correction, an assault on my religious beliefs and that of every other Catholic. This is grounded in something quite deep of which only you are aware and in the absence of charity can only be labelled as blind ignorance stemming from some kind of deep seated hatred for Catholic tradition, of which you may not always be concious.

     I nor does any other Catholic I have met ever feel it necessary to go into the faults, even real, never mind imagined, of any other faith unless it is of some constructive value to the listener. This is because, living the faith, we do not offend unnecessarily paricularly someone’s core belief. To do so deliberately is bordering on mortal sin.

     If you think you are simply stating your belief and professing the true faith, by attacking a faith you have obviously never had, you are deluded. Constructive dialog is impossible without mutual respect, not just of the person but of his faith and his belief. I find this lacking in your posts, albeit unintentionally as I really believe that you believe your tirades against the Catholic church which becomes indistinuisheable from a tirade against the Catholic Faith. Herein lies the danger and in which you have overstepped the mark.

     This is the method of the Jews, whereby its my way or the highway, which has kept them in blind ignorance for 2000 years.

     I realize it derives from a brave intelligence and a pursuit of what is right but it stems also as I have stated above from a foundation, with regards to the Catholic church, known only to yourself which cannot sort the tarres from the wheat and which leads to gross errors with regards the historical wheat. This endangers your own soul. It is a condition known as being ‘one eyed’ . I have met people thus inclined who have literally lost the sight of one eye.

     No one has challenged you on your erronous beliefs because they are couched in intellectual terms and with vast amounts of ‘factual’ info, and few are there to do so.

     In this you obviously delight, and there is nothing wrong with it, as you have a beautiful mind which is tragically tainted by this gap in your understanding.

     You have not availed yourself of some of the truths regarding the Catholic church, that I have given on this board even, to counter your allegations, nor even enquired into them, so to continue is quite worthless on my part. Good luck.

105. KathJuliane October 21, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

     In keeping with all ancient apostolic and ecclesiastical practice as first recorded in Scripture, in the Orthodox Church, and by extension the Oriental Churches in general, authority is resident in all four “orders”, laity, deacons, presbyters (priests) and bishops, with the bishop providing the center of unity.

     His authority is not over the Church but within the Church. He is an icon of Jesus Christ Who is “the Shepherd and Overseer [literally “Bishop”] of your souls” (1 Peter 2:25. 1 and 2 Peter are general epistles to the entire Church). In his own words, Peter very clearly indicates that Church leadership rests in our Lord Jesus Christ, and is not one or more of the orders functioning without the others, nor is any one bishop elevated over others.

     Orthodoxy will continue to confess this truth until Judgement Day: The Church, who is the Bride of the Lamb, with Christ as Head, is conducted like a symphony orchestra, a family, the Body of Christ, where all the members in their given offices work together as the dwelling place of the Holy Triunity.

     The Virgin Mary is the outstanding symbol of both Old Israel and the Church – New Israel (and there is no denying that both Catholics and the Eastern Churches love Her dearly). The Church, as Paul says is to be a “spotless and pure Bride”, and who is the greatest example and role model for Christian spirituality and faith as the foremost of all glorified creatures in the Church, but Fr. Joseph, she is not the sole “Spouse of Christ”.

     To assert so clearly contradicts Scripture and Tradition.

     Just as the Mother of God conceived and brought forth our Lord Jesus Christ physically in His Incarnation, it is just as true that the Church, as the divine-human Organism of the Body of Christ, baptised into Christ having “put on Christ” is to bring forth Christ spiritually – to be Christopheros, or “Christ-bearers” in and to the world. The Church is divine, and we humans are still fallen, sinful flesh that are at the same time required to work out our regenerative salvation in synergy with God in humble faith, hope and love, be living spiritual temples worthy of the Triune God struggling to answer to this continuing commission to “make disciples of all nations.”

     In Apocalypse 12, the great sign in heaven, the woman, is either the Virgin Mary or true Israel, the Church, as Israel was referred to as God’s bride or spouse. The Church sees the Theotokos as the perfect symbol of Israel and the Church which is to be the radiant bride adorned with splendor. The twelve stars indicate the twelve tribes and also the Twelve Apostles.

     Her birth-giving (a male Child, v 5) is that of the Messiah, and she bears other offspring as well (v. 17) a reference to the Church. In 12:6 the flight of the woman may refer to the flight of the Jerusalem church (embodying true Israel) to Pella before the outbreak of the Jewish-Roman war, but also illustrating that here is no permanent safe place for the Church in this age.

     Who is the bride, the Lamb’s wife in Apocalypse? At verse 21:2 St. John describes “the holy city, New Jerusalem” is the city built by God (Heb 11:10). It is the perfected Church, the bride ready for her husband, Christ, the abode of the righteous eternally. The OT prophesied a restored and exalted Jerusalem (Is. 60:1-22; 65:17-25; Exek. 40—48).

     Again at 21:10, like Ezekiel, John has the vantage point of a ‘high mountain’ (Ezek. 40:2); the perfected Church he sees resembles Ezekiel’s new temple (Ezek. 40-48). The New Jerusalem descends out of heaven from God, for God Himself completes the reunion of heaven and earth. The New Jerusalem completes and fulfills the old Jerusalem (see 1 Kin. 5:17; Is. 54:11, 12) just as the New Covenant fulfills the Old.

     21:12-14: The splendor described is fitting for the place where God will dwell with, tabernacle with, His people (vv. 3,7). As the breastplate of the High Priest was adorned with twelve jewels coresponding to the twelve tribes (Ex. 28:16-21), so the Church is founded on the twelve precious foundation stones of the Apostles of which Jesus Christ is the chief cornerstone, all sharing the ringing confession of Faith that Peter uttered: “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God!” – an insight given to him by the Father. Jesus’ messianic identity and divinity, the mystery hidden from eternity, cannot be known by human reason, but only by God’s revelation (1 Cor 12:3).

     The true Rock and foundation of the Church is, of course, Christ Himself. The Church rests upon this Rock by her unchanging faith, her confession.

     Upon these the next rows of precious building stones of the Church are laid down by the Fathers of the Church – the bishops in apostolic succession down through the ages together with their flocks. All who are espoused to Christ, who feast at the Wedding Supper, and who dwell in the Holy City, are members of the royal priesthood. (1:6; 5:10; 20:6; 1 Pet. 2:9)

106. charlie October 21, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

     ….(cont) however, if you wish to , ONE AT A TIME, to throw me a ball, I WILL catch it.(I am a male, and can only deal with one issue at a time) as this could make interesting reading ….you usually throw a whole slew of things into the mix at once and this does not posit a serious reply, on my part at least.

107. KathJuliane October 21, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

     Bishop Hilarion of Vienna and Austria writes in 2005 concerning the ecclesiology of the Church and its concillar and collegial nature which was practiced in the ancient Church both the East and West prior to the rise of the monarchial Papacy during the 9-11th centuries:

     “In the Orthodox tradition the theme of primacy is closely connected with that of church authority, which, in its turn, is for the Orthodox theologian indivisible from the idea of ‘catholicity’ or ‘conciliarity.’ [See Acts 15 and comments earlier]

     “As is well known, for various historical reasons the Orthodox Church never had and to this very day does not have a unified administrative and governing structure.

     “Among the primates of the Local Orthodox Churches the Patriarch of Constantinople is recognized as the ‘first among equals,’ who has borne the title ‘Ecumenical’ since Byzantine times. However, neither this title nor the pre-eminence of honour accorded to him give the Patriarch of Constantinople [nor the Pope of Rome] any jurisdictional rights outside the boundaries of his own patriarchate.

     “The primacy of the Patriarch of Constantinople took form gradually. Decisive events in its genesis were the elevation of Constantinople to the capital of the empire and the granting of the status of ‘New Rome’ in the fourth century, as well as the division of the Churches in the eleventh century.

     “The Second Ecumenical Council (381) in its third canon decreed: ‘The Bishop of Constantinople shall have the primacy of honour after the Bishop of Rome, since this city is the New Rome.’ The Fourth Ecumenical Council (451) indicated the following motivation for this decision: ‘The fathers properly gave preference to the see of the Ancient Rome since this was the imperial capital [at the time of its founding by the Apostles until Diocletian].

     “For the same reasons the 150 holy bishops [of the Second Ecumenical Council of 381] also granted equal privileges to the most holy see of the New Rome, rightly judging that the city that received the honour of being the city of the emperor and the senate and having equal privileges with the Ancient Rome should also be elevated in church matters, just as the former was, and that it might be second after it.’

     [This was a concillar decision at which St. Gregory the Theologian, Archbishop of Constantinople, Damasus, Pope of Rome, and Emperor St. Theodosius the Great co-presided. It was not until the 11th century that papal supremacy was fully established by Gregory VII with his famous decree after two centuries of labors by previous popes of Rome to consolidate the same, especially the fearless German Pope Hildebrand who established his exalted idea of papal monarchy in the Western church.]

     “Thus, the primacy of the Bishop of Rome was viewed by the Eastern Fathers [and the Latin Fathers of the African churches as well] not as something conditioned by the succession of this bishop from Apostle Peter, but as based upon the political significance of Rome as the capital of the empire. In exactly the same way the privileges of the see of Constantinople were based not on its ancientness (the sees of Jerusalem, Alexandria and Antioch were more ancient) or any ecclesiastical grounds, but exclusively on the political significance of Constantinople as the ‘city of the emperor and the senate.’

     “Generally speaking, in the Orthodox tradition the idea of catholicity is much more organically connected with the idea of the local Church (here we use the term ‘local Church’ in order to avoid terminological confusion caused by the use of the term ‘Local Church,’ which, in its current usage, has a different meaning: cf. the explanation of this below) than with the idea of the Ecumenical Church as the totality of local Churches.

     “Originally the Church of Christ was the community of Christ’s disciples in Jerusalem: this was the very one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church which possessed the fullness of catholicity and conciliarity. Already in the first century Christian communities began to appear outside of Jerusalem, and each local community was viewed not as part of the Ecumenical Church, but as the very ‘catholic’ Church in all its fullness.

     “The guarantee of the catholicity of each local Church, i.e. the Church of each concrete region, was the presence in it of a single Eucharistic gathering headed by the bishop as the chosen head of God’s people.

108. KathJuliane October 21, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

     Bishop Hiliarion continues:

     “It is precisely this kind of ecclesiology that is characteristic for the early Church Fathers, including St. Ignatius of Antioch. In his epistles Ignatius untiringly stresses the supreme role of the bishop as the head of the Eucharistic gathering, asserting that ‘one should view the bishop as the [icon of the] Lord Himself’ (Eph. 6).

     “Everything in the Church should be done with the knowledge of the bishop: ‘Without the bishop nobody should do anything that concerns the Church. Only the Eucharist served by the bishop or by those whom he himself authorizes should be considered true. Without the bishop it is not permissible either to baptize or serve the meal of love; on the contrary, whatever he approves of is pleasing to God’ (Smyrn. 8).

     “And further: ‘He who honours the bishop is honoured by God; he who does something without the knowledge of the bishop serves the devil’ (Smyrn. 9).

     “Ignatius constantly underscores the necessity of the unity of presbyters and deacons with their bishop: ‘The bishop presides in God’s place, the presbyters occupy the place of the council of Apostles, and the deacons are entrusted with the service of Jesus Christ’ (Magn. 6); ‘The presbytery is in harmony with the bishop like the strings of a zither’ (Eph. 4). God’s people, according to Ignatius, should ‘honour the deacons as a commandment of Jesus Christ, and the bishop as Jesus Christ, Son of God the Father, and the presbyters as God’s gathering, as the choir of Apostles’ (Tral. 3).

     “This ecclesiology brings Ignatius to the following classical formula: ‘Wherever the bishop shall be, there let also the people be, just as wherever Christ is, there is the catholic Church’ (Smyrn. 8).

     “The supreme role of the bishop, according to the teaching of the early Fathers, is due to the fact that he [visibly, iconically] occupies the place of Christ in the liturgical Eucharistic gathering. It is this understanding that explains the fact that the so-called monarchic episcopate – one bishop in each Eucharistic community or Church – became generally accepted in the ancient Church. Being the single leader of the Church of a given locality, the bishop nevertheless governs the Church not single-handedly, but in conjunction with the presbyters and deacons.

     “**The bishop does not possess ecclesiastical power or authority by himself, due to his ordination to the episcopate: he is a member of the local church community which entrusted him with this service. Outside the church community the bishop’s ministry loses its meaning and efficacy.**

     “Within the local Church the primacy of the bishop is unconditional and uncontested. For the Orthodox tradition, founded both on the theological legacy of the Fathers of the ancient Church (such as St. Cyprian of Carthage, for example, a Latin Father), as well as on later polemical writings of Byzantine theologians, **each bishop, and not only the Bishop of Rome, is the successor of Apostle Peter.**

     “Barlaam of Calabria, an important Byzantine theologian of the 14th century (who, incidentally, ended his life in the Catholic Church), writes:

     ‘Each Orthodox bishop is the ‘vicar of Christ’ and the successor of the apostles, so that if all bishops of the world were to apostasize from the true faith and only one were to remain the keeper of the correct dogmas, the faith of the divine Peter would be saved in him.’ He further writes: ‘The bishops ordained by Peter are the successors not only of Peter, but also of the other Apostles; to the same degree bishops ordained by others are the successors of Peter.’ [In other words, each bishop occupies the “throne of Peter”.]

     ‘The promise given to Peter, according to this viewpoint, extends not only to the Roman Church, but also to all local Churches headed by bishops: ‘you have made Peter into the teacher of only Rome’, an anonymous author of a Byzantine anti-Latin treatise writes, ‘while the divine Fathers interpret the promise given to him by the Saviour as having a catholic meaning and concerning all believers past and present. You attempt to give it a false and narrow interpretation, applying it only to Rome.

     ‘It then becomes impossible to understand how not only the Roman Church, but all Churches have a Saviour and how their foundations rest on the Stone, i.e. on the confession of Peter, according to the promise.’

     How does the catholicity of a local Church relate to the catholicity of the Church throughout the world? Protopresbyter John Meyendorff defines this relationship in the following manner:

     ‘The idea of the local Church headed by the bishop, who is usually chosen by the entire Church but is invested with the charismatic and apostolic functions as the successor of Peter, is the doctrinal foundation of catholicity as it entered the Church from the third century. For the Eucharistic ecclesiology assumes that each local Church, although possessing the fullness of catholicity, is always in unity and concord with all the other Churches, which also have part in this catholicity.

     ‘The bishops not only bear moral responsibility for this community: they participate in the one episcopal ministry. Each bishop fulfils his service together with other bishops, since it is equivalent with that of the others and since the Church is one.’ As St. Cyprian of Carthage writes: ‘The episcopate is one, and each of the bishops fully participates in it.’

     Everything mentioned above about the ‘local Church’ relates to the ecclesiastical unit which is nowadays called a ‘diocese,’ i.e. a Church of one region (country, territory) headed by one bishop.

109. KathJuliane October 21, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

     To Finish What Bishop Hilarion wrote:

     “In modern Orthodox parlance the idea of the ‘Local Church’ has come to signify larger church entities – groups of dioceses united into Patriarchates, metropolites or archdioceses. At this level the principle of primacy gives way to collegial forms of government.

     “In practice this means that the primate of a Local Church is the ‘first among equals’ among the bishops of his Church: he does not interfere in the internal affairs of the dioceses and does not have direct jurisdiction over them, although he is granted some coordinating functions in questions that exceed the competence of the individual diocesan bishops.

     “Summarizing that which was said about the relationship between primacy and catholicity in the Orthodox Church, it seems possible to assert that the principle of primacy in the Orthodox tradition is expressed most fully at the level of the single diocese, in which supreme authority rests with the bishop, who governs the diocese in conjunction with the clergy and laity.

     “The principle of catholicity, on the contrary, is expressed most fully at the level of the Local Church, governed by a council of bishops headed by the primate chosen by this council. At the pan-Orthodox level the principle of primacy has not yet been wholly clarified, while the principle of catholicity exists without any stable mechanisms of its practical realization.

     “Given such a decentralized structure of governance, some Catholics as well as the Orthodox might see as a miracle the fact that the Orthodox Church continues to maintain the ‘unity of the spirit in the bond of peace’ (Eph. 4:3), and has not broken up into numerous independent ecclesistical units having no communion with each other.

     “In the Roman Catholic Church, on the contrary, the principle of primacy finds its fullest expression in the ministry of the Bishop of Rome, whose jurisdiction extends to all subsections of this Church without exception: the canonical authority of all other bishops is derived from the authority of the pope as the [sole] successor of Peter.

     “If the council is the highest organ of authority in the Orthodox tradition [of the East and West], to which all bishops without exception are subject, and infallibility is ascribed to the entire fullness of the Church, in the Catholic tradition the pope stands above the council, and it is he – independent of councils and even, as it were, independent of the Church itself – who possesses infallibility.

     For many Orthodox it may seem paradoxical and inexplicable that bishops’ councils continue to be convened in the Catholic Church in spite of the complete centralization of power and its concentration in the hands of one person.”

110. Fr. Joseph October 22, 2009 @ 7:45 am

     Dear Juan,

     Thank you for correcting my link to/for the ‘Permanent Instruction of the Alta Venditi’.

     If you have avowed SATANISTS understanding that if you DESTROY the Bishop of ROME’s Episcopal Authority over the Universal Church (something which KathJuliane and her Orthodoxy DENIES the Bishop of Rome really and truly DOES HAVE over the Universal Church as the holder of ‘THE KEYS’ entrusted to Simon who the Lord Himself renamed ‘PETER’ or ‘ROCK’), you allow every manner of satanic-inspired ESOTERICISM and GNOSTICISM into and throughout the His Bride’s MYSTICAL BODY here on earth!

     Destroy the Authority of the BISHOP in his Diocese and you wind up spiritually ravaging THE FLOCK!

     Destroy the College of Bishops, destroy the UNITY between the Bishops, and you set the Church into INTERNAL STRIFE and into CIVIL WARS.

     And destroy the authority OF and the spiritual allegiance TO the one who Christ Himself entrusted ‘THE KEYS’ of His Kingdom, then every last Byzatine Emporeror, every Czar, every King of England, every last US President, every last Dictator, every last Head of any Political State can 1) wind up selecting and appoint his/her own BISHOPS who will then 2) promote the ‘type of Christianity’ and/or the ‘Form of Religion’ that SUITES that Byzantine Emporer, Czar, King, President, Dictator, Head-of-State.

     If you are follower of SATAN, if you wish to INCREMENTALLY establish your own type and/or form of ‘Satanic-Worship’, they you simply MUST ‘Get Rid Of The Bishop Of Rome Who Hold ‘THE KEYS’ of Christ Jesus’ Authority here on earth’!

     As a follower of SATAN, to be sure, you can KILL the current Bishop of Rome – but all that happens is that THE BISHOPS in Union with and in Common-Union with the BISHOP OF ROME elect FROM THEIR OWN NUMBERS a new visible head-leader of the Church.

     Hence, in order to NEGATE/NEUTRALIZE the Bishop of Rome in using ‘THE KEYS’ of Appointed Leadership-Authority entrusted to him by THE LOGOS INCARNATE, you get your Masons, your Satanists, your Sabbatean Jews to entire SEMINARY, get them ‘ordained’, do all to promote them within and structure of the Church’s Leadership – and while in their respective positions of ecclesiastical authority and position – you get THEM to ordain/appoint lower echelon CLERGY who go off to indulge in their HOMOSEXUALITY – then get the Catholic Church SUED for billions upon billions of dollars causing entire Dioceses of His Chruch to go BANKRUPT.

     That is but ONE ‘satanic-ploy’ in the Spiritual Warfare going on in order TO DESTROY His Church here on earth.

     Then, you have your satanic agents within the Church to preform SATANIC ENTHRONMENT rituals within the precints of THE VATICAN itself.

     And then you use your CONTROL over the rearranged Vatican apparatus to shift the power of ‘THE KEYS’ from the Bishop of Rome to the Cardinal Secretary of State – and in doing so, you’ve ‘Captured The Keys’ so that they CANNOT BE USED against you as a worshipful master of SATAN.

     In PREVENTING the Bishop of Rome to use ‘THE KEYS’ entrusted to him by THE LOGOS INCARANATE so as to make a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to His Mother’s Immaculately Loving Heart, the DIVINE GRACES and the DIVINE ANGELIC ARMIES OF HEAVEN are prevented from coming to the Church’s and Mankind’s RESCUE from these manifold satanic global NWO One World Government conspiratorial actions!

     The Bishop of Rome, the holder of Christ’s Own ‘KEYS’, is perfectly capable of going out into THE PUBLIC from his papal apartment’s window-balcony to announce to the entire world his intentions TO USE ‘THE KEYS’ to save the Church and all of Mankind from SATAN’s legions from Hell – both elemental and incarnate.

     But the ORTHODOX Patriarchs PREVENT him from doing so on account of their THREATS.

     And the satanic Prelates in the Vatican PREVENT the Bishop of Rome from doing so because they will KILL HIM with poison or whatever else.

     Juan, I don’t know what we are going to do. The Bishop of Rome simply MUST USE ‘The Keys’ entrusted to him by THE LOGOS INCARNATE in order TO UNLOCK this global spiritual PRISON CELL our contemporary World has become and is steadily becoming in which our entire Human Race will become ENSLAVED/CAPTURED by Satan.

     But for KathJuliane, the ‘purity’ and ‘correctness’ of her Orthodoxy TRUMPS the eternal salvation of billions of people here on earth and seeing to it that GOD’S DIVINE AND HOLY WILL gets done here on earth – apparently the Orthodox Church is very capable of causing the Orthodox Laity from seeing global worldwide Spiritual Realities – that is, it was TO PETER that our Lord and Savior entrusted ‘THE KEYS’ with which the Bishop of Rome and all the Church Bishops in FULL UNION with him are perfectly capable of DEFEATING Satan’s challenge vs. Christ and His Church per Pope Leo XIII’s mystical revelation back in 1884 A.D.!

     http://www.geocities.com/stmichaelsangels/

     Either the BISHOP OF ROME along with the Bishops in FULL UNION with him ‘use THE KEYS’ to perform a Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Mother of God per her 1917 A.D. Fatima Portugal Instructions – or it’s ‘SATANIC CURTAINS’ for the Human Race!

     – Fr. Joseph

111. Fr. Joseph October 22, 2009 @ 7:57 am

     Another analogy to EXPLAIN the Bishop of Rome, ‘The Keys’, the Church, Mankind and Satan’s desire to destroy both the Church AND Mankind.

     You RZN readers out there in Internet Cyberspace have ‘THE KEYS’ to your wallets.

     Brother Nathanael APPEALS to you ‘KEY HOLDERS’ as he is in DIRE NEED of your ‘heaven sent HELP’ to keep his RZN website and Street Evangelism to lost souls in this USA alive.

     You RZN readers SITTING ON ‘The Keys To Your Wallets’ shrug off Br. Nathanael’s appeals for HELP.

     That pretty much illustrated, to everyone’s spiritual eyesight – THE EXACT SAME THING that is going on with SIX BILLION HUMAN SOULS in our contemporary World of 2009 Anno Domini.

     Everyone, like Br. Nathanael, is APPEALING to ‘The Key Holders’ for HELP!

     ‘The Key Holders’ who have AUTHORITY over their own respective RESOURCES either DO what they can DO to help both Br. Nathanael as well as our entire Human Race – or they DON’T!

     We live in a God-created ‘Cause and Effect All’. There ARE immediate and future CONSEQUENCES for the actions and choices we make with these God-given FREE WILLS of ours.

     Either Br. Nathanael gets his FUNDS from your RZN ‘Wallet Key Holders’ or not.

     Either the Universal Church and all of Mankind gets DIVINE HELP from ‘The Key Holder’ here on earth or not.

     – Fr. Joseph

112. Fr. Joseph October 22, 2009 @ 8:43 am

     May THE LORD and ALL OF YOU RZN readers grant my your FORGIVENESS!

     I just BLEW UP IN ANGER yelling out loud to ‘nobody’ here at my hermitage. And why?

     ‘CAUSE “EVERYBODY AND THEIR BROTHER” WANTS TO IN CHARGE OF CHRIST JESUS’ CHURCH HERE ON EARTH! And they don’t bother for one moment to consider who CHRIST JESUS placed ‘in charge’ in and over HIS CHURCH here on earth!

     From ‘THE BIBLE’, from the Catholic Church’s Canon of Sacred Scripture as defined by Church Councils of Carthage and Hippo, 397 and 400 A.D. respectively (both Councils ACCEPTED by the Bishop of ROME), everyone on the entire planet earth can read “orthodox” Apostolic teaching:

     St. John THE APOSTLE who stood by Christ Jesus’ Own Mother while HE was left to die SUFFERING His Crucifixion on THE CROSS writes:

     “I (St. John the Apostle who stood by Christ Jesus’ Own Mother while He was left do die SUFFERING His Crucifixion on THE CROSS) have written a note for the members of THE CHURCH, but Diotrephes, WHO SEEMS TO ENJOY BEING IN CHARGE OF IT, REFUSES TO ACCEPT US. So if I come I shall tell everyone how he has behaved, and about the WICKED ACCUSATIONS he has been circulating against us. As if that were not enough, he not only REFUSES TO WELCOME OUR BROTHERS, but prevents the other people who would have liked to from doing it, AND EXPELS THEM FROM THE CHURCH.” – 3 John 9-10

     Now ‘everybody AND THEIR BROTHER’ wants to be ‘IN CHARGE’ of the Church – even to this very day.

     St. John the Apostle who WROTE what you all just read was still ‘alive and kickin’ in EPHESUS when St. Clement was the FOURTH BISHOP OF ROME.

     The GREEKS in ‘their’ GREEK CHURCH threw up the Bishops and their Priests in order to ‘install their own’ WHILE St. John the Apostle was yet STILL ALIVE!

     It was St. Clement – the FOURTH BISHOP OF ROME – who used HIS Authority of ‘The Keys’ to tell the GREEKS they have done WRONG.

     But it just goes on and on and on down through the centuries, now doesn’t it?

     The Byzatine Emporer gets to ‘depose’ of ROME’S appointed Bishop of Constantinople.

     The Tsar gets to ‘despose’ of the See of Moscow’s Metropolitan.

     The King of England gets to ‘depose’ of Rome’s Archbishop of Canterbury.

     And on an on and on it goes!

     The Protestant Revolt and its Peace of Augsburg “legally” gives European national political leaders who is going to be ‘their’ Bishops.

     And then, why even have BISHOPS? Just go get yourselves a ‘Bible’ and MAKE YOURSELF a ‘Bishop’! Start your OWN ‘Church’. Put YOURSELF ‘in charge’. Well, WHY NOT???

     ‘Tough Luck!’

     Christ Jesus gave ‘THE KEYS’ to St. Peter and his successors – in CHRIST JESUS’ P.O.V. – has ‘The Keys’.

     If the PATRIARCHS of every last Orthodox Church DON’T LIKE THAT – well then, I’m SORRY for them.

     Christ Jesus gets TO DO what He want TO DO in, with, through, amongst, for HIS OWN CHURCH here on earth!

     If people want to take OFFENSE at what Christ Jesus HIMSELF deems right, proper and acceptable in/for/with HIS OWN CHURCH here on earth – they can ‘vent their protestations’ TO THE LORD and “stay OFF my back”!

     – Fr. Joseph

113. charlie October 23, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

     The Christian Church based upon Christ has no need of leaders, masters, fathers, for Christ is its leader, its master, and God its Father.
     These are the words of Christ, not me.

     This then indicates the basis of the Christian faith does it not, a personal relationship with Christ, which cannot be overridden by any cleric.

     What then is the role of the cleric in the Christian family?

     What is the role of the Pope. It is to teach, to guide, to unify, to heal, to assist in any way possible……to serve in other words, but never to lead or patronize.

     People will look to the Pope or to a priest or minister or confessor for guidance, for help, for consolation, but fix their gaze on Christ and his gospel, his comamndments alone for leadership and as the ultimate authority.

     Without this personal relationship with Christ there can be no church, for the term ” first among equals” does not indicate the bishops only but the entire laity. By giving themselves the terms leader, father, the church has ascribed to itself the place reserved by God for Himself as well he must, for we are not all children of a priest and Benedictines or Pauline or Leonines or who ever happen to occupy the seat of Peter but Christians, none other, never have been and never will be.

     By ascribing these titles to themselves the clerical establishment does the church a great disservice for it abrogates the responsibility of the faithful or interferes with it to develop a real relationship with Christ and to move foreward in that relationship clearly easily and without the inhibition of a Catholic, Anglican or Orthodox impediment focussing on the church and not on Christ.

     “You did not choose me. I chose you.”

     Be grateful therefore.

     If the church had followed the Gospel it professes to preach from the beginning, the Kingdom of God would already have come, rather than the Kingdom of satan, which is bashing down the door of human civilization as a great tsunami eady to sweep all of humanity before it into the abyss of hell.

     Rather than finding a bride fit for a King when he returns, Christ simply laments, “When I return, will I find faith on earth.”

     The Apocalypse is the fruit of the organization which has attributed to itself the office which truly belongs to God and God alone, and his Mother now, the Virgin Mary is the only one who can help us, for of all the church she is the one who has remained faithful to her Son and reaped the merits and rewards, accruing to such virtue and holiness as none other. Therefore Christ has said of her – she, the woman of the Apocalypse, for good reason, will crush the head of the serpent. Therefore I have recourse to her.

114. charlie October 23, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

     To continue…

     This fallacy then of leadership, masters apprentices all, and fatherhood, may be used by an antichrist to assume full power within the Catholic Church, a new union of churches, and together with a union to temporal power, the whole world.

     If it had not been allowed by the Church no antichrist would ever be able to assume control, for the apparatus would not have been there, and this ‘key’ to the subjection of the minds and souls of the multitude would not be there.

     SHAME! on the Catholic Church.
     Shame on the Orthodox Church,
     Shame on the Protestant churches who although wisely dropping the term, ‘father’, ‘master’, ‘leader’, foolishly then threw out the baby with the bathwater dropping with it belief in the Holy Eucharist, and many of the the sacraments.

     With what force then may an antichrist be able to seize power!

     With what severity therefore do we see the hand of God poised to punish disobedience!

     How fitting then that he chose a woman to be the instrument of the downfall of Satan and his followers, and we may in truth, call her, “mother.”

115. KathJuliane October 23, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

     Interesting exegesis, Charlie. Perhaps you shouldn’t call the Pope “the Pope”, either, because the word means “father”.

     O.E. papa, from M.L. papa “bishop, pope” (in classical L., “tutor”), from Gk. papas “patriarch, bishop,” originally “father.” Applied to bishops of Asia Minor and taken as a title by the Bishop of Alexandria c.250. In Western Church, applied especially to the Bishop of Rome since the time of Leo the Great (440-461) and claimed exclusively by them from 1073.

116. charlie October 23, 2009 @ 9:44 pm

     The word “pope”.

     It’s also a freshwater fish of the perch family, and a bird….

     Similarly ‘witch’ could mean a young woman of bewitching aspect or manners, or a kind of snail, or various trees with pliant branches, etc.

     It’s the meaning, not the word that counts ……..

117. admin October 23, 2009 @ 11:15 pm

     Dear Charlie –

     You write “Shame on the Orthodox Church.”

     The Orthodox Church NEVER tampered with Holy Scriptures or Church Service Liturgical Writings. +BN

118. Fr. Joseph October 24, 2009 @ 3:57 pm

     Dear Charlie,

     The ‘World’ and the condition that it currently is in that you and I and everyone else on this planet earth of ours have ‘inherited’ is the ‘Sum Total’ of ALL the actions, INactions, decisions, INdecisions, benevolent actions, malicious and evil minded actions of prior generations of people.

     And those prior generations of people have hailed from EVERY possible corner of Human Society – and that INCLUDES the Christian Church.

     There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG whatsoever about a Divine Idea of a ‘Visible Church Militant’ here in this World of ours. As a matter of fact, if you really think deeply about it – this World has a DIRE and DESPERATE NEED for a ‘Visible Church’ wherein human beings place themselves in the Service of God Himself in order to see to it that God’s Divine Revelation, Teachings, Instructions and Commands ARE relayed to the peoples of the nations of our World – not for the sake of the ‘Ecclesiastical Hierarchy’ nor for their Clergy, their Vowed Religious, etc. for their renown, prestige, status – but rather for the DIVINE GOOD of the peoples of the nations of this World of ours.

     One can point to specific events or periods of Human History wherein THE CHURCH and the necessary internal organizational structures and positions HAVE BEEN misused and abused in order ‘to profit’ the egos, the sense of self-importance, the machinations and the worldly-political aims of individuals within and/or in association WITH the visible Church here on earth.

     Nevertheless, it is our LORD and SAVIOR’S Divine Desire that there ought to be established a VISIBLE Church so as to “incarnate” His Divine Will being DONE and CARRIED OUT in this World – just as He Himself became ‘Incarnate’ in order to see to it HIMSELF that the peoples of this World of ours really and truly got and GET Divine Knowledge, Understanding and Wisdom so as to bring about the Holy Will of God made manifest in and to our World and ALL the peoples of the nations of our planet earth.

     Time and time again, down through the centuries since His Death, Resurrection and Ascension into Heaven, God HAS sent both His Church and this World of ours all sorts and type of ‘PROPHETS’ to call back the Visible Church to her Divine Mission as well as the people of this World back to obedience to and participation IN His Church and her Divine Mission here on earth.

     To the degree that God grants us ANY manner of Divine Graces or Gifts of His Holy Spirit, we are to take those Graces and Gifts in order TO HELP His Church so that His Church CAN HELP all of Mankind.

     Let us not join the manifold ranks of the various spiritual entities and spiritual movements that seek to DISMANTLE and DESTROY His Visible Church here on earth.

     Whatever we can do, as individuals or loose groups of individuals, let those things we do only serve to build up, protect, preserve the Lord’s Own Mystical Body here on earth – the Church.

     Mankind needs His Church MORE than they need the breathable atmosphere surrounding planet earth.

     – Fr. Joseph

119. charlie October 24, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

     Unity is the weapon of peace.
     Division that of the devil.

     If there wasn’t this constant strife between nations the world would be a utopia.

     Peoples thoughts would be allowed to direct themselves to peace between neighbours as well. Of this I am certain.

     So don’t look to the powers that be for peace. Their mind control over everyone depends on this fractitious environment to keep everyone in a state of unease , and personally at war with the whole world.

120. charlie October 24, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

     I’m glad you see it that way Fr Joseph.

     I look at the Catholic Church and all I see is division.

     Therefore I do not think the churches have anyone’s interests at heart but their own. They cannot see the forest for the trees, and when you point that out to them they call it treason.

     The Catholic Pope is doing a sterling job but with only one more Pope to go according to Malachy who hasn’t been wrong yet, and 7 years of tribulation ending in Christ’s return, to begin on December 23 2012 the whole debate is academic.

     The victory will culminate with Christ’s return, up to which time the church will not be defined by anything or anyone but those who do Christ’s will, be they Christian, Hindu or Moslem, Confucian, aetheist or agnostic, until Our Lord reveals himself to the whole world and gathers in the harvest of souls, under the Christian banner.

121. Fr. Joseph October 25, 2009 @ 7:00 am

     Dear charlie,

     These manifold divisions and these ‘at each other’s throats’ all across our World and all across our Church are NOT the Will of our God and are NOT of God the Holy Spirit.

     The ontological and theological reality is that there ARE two classes or types of CREATED spiritual beings with 1) consciousness 2) presence and 3) free will.

     There are ‘elemental’ spirits possessing 1, 2 and 3 above who do NOT have a physical body which operates within the limitations and confines of time-space-matter-energy – we call them ‘Angels’ or ‘Devils’ – and there are US – we ‘incarnate’ spirits possessing 1-2-3 above fused to MATTER, and our spirits give this MATTER of our physical bodies LIFE and cause that MATTER to be ANIMATED.

     Spirits fused to MATTER in order make make that MATTER animinate and alive – gosh, when you sit back and think about it – THAT is Pure Divine Creative Brilliance enimating from the Omniscient Divine Mind of GOD HIMSELF.

     I mean, WHO? but God Himself could possibly come up with such a Creative Idea, Notion and Design and — CREATE IT!

     Hence, all of us are either ‘Male’ or ‘Female’ of this Human Race of God’s Divine Creative Brilliance.

     Now these unseen ‘elementals’ who have no love for God, no love for Mankind, they are NOT limited by time-space-matter-energy, but on account of their actually possessing 1-2-3 listed above, they can and DO influence us to think, feel, do, act, behave in a way or manner that THEY would want for us to think, feel, do, act and behave.

     THEY do exactly what WE ‘naturally’ do TO, FOR and WITH each other as incarnate spirits, as Human Beings.

     So ALL of the divisions, the mutually perpetually sustained antagonisms, the machinations, belligerence, hostilities, etc. that exist between the peoples of the nations of our World as well as within and throughout our Church ARE the result of these EVIL ONES working on, working with and working upon our own personal inclinations to EVIL on account of our fallen spiitual natures as a result of ‘Original Sin’.

     Now the Unseen Divine Spiritual Graces from God and His Unseen Divine Spiritual Gifts of His Very Own Holy Spirit are the ‘ONLY REMEDY’ to this spiritual disease and spiritual malaise that people throughout the nations of our World and throughout His Catholic Church in which we ALL currently find ourselves in this year 2009 Anno Domini.

     Hence, I believe the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of Russia per the Mother of God’s 1917 A.D. Fatima Instructions will result in an honest-to-goodness ‘SECOND PENTECOST’ for the peoples of our contemporary World and for His Catholic Church.

     And I believe the Mother of God, the Divine Spouse of God the Holy Spirit, will have THEN have her Victory over Satan and his challenge vs. her Son that He could and would DESTROY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH per Pope Leo XIII’s 1884 A.D. mystically communicated revelation.

     Admittedly, I do NOT understand why the peoples of our much troubled and vexed World of 2009 Anno Domini have TO WAIT for some future time when a future Pope WILL order that Collegial Consecration.

     Why not simply ORDER it done, let say, NEXT WEEK, for cryin’ out loud? Maybe I’m just TOO SIMPLE – if you have a problem or need, and if you have the solution or the resources – and if you have a God-given FREE WILL fused to a thinking mind on account of one’s God-given spirit FUSED to the matter of one’s human body – then USE that God-given FREE WILL to make THE CHOICE TO DO what needs to be done.

     Is there ANY ‘Divine Merit’ in just sitting there watching the Sun rise and then set day in and day out, year in and year out, decade in and decade out – while muttering a constant ‘DUH!’ while deliberately prohibiting a couple of BRAIN CELLS from firing off simultaneously together?

     I don’t think so.

     Don’t we PUBLICLY admit and confess to one another in our Masses

     “I CONFESS to Almighty God – and TO YOU my brothers and sisters – that I have SINNED through MY OWN FAULT – in my thoughts and in my words – in what I have done – and in what I HAVE FAILED TO DO!…”

     FAILING TO DO what God either expects of us OR demands/commands of us is SIN!

     And ALL sin throws up OBSTACLES to our All-good God’s Divine and Holy Will being made manifest to and FOR all the members of our Human Race.

     I believe ALL obstacles to seeing to the Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Mother of God per her 1917 A.D. Fatima Instructions are but ‘ONE HUGE SIN’!

     Many within and throughout the Catholic Church are ACCOUNTABLE for this ‘One Huge Sin’!

     – Fr. Joseph

122. charlie October 25, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

     The saints themselves have accustomed themselves to this term “father.”

     How is it then that those who have shown by their lives and miracles, a faith and belief in Christ leading to a great degree of sanctity, could possess an attitude contrary to the Gospel, even St Paul, as I previously noted?

     I cannot answer for them obviously.

     No saint is perfect however whilst in his mortal body and obedience binds all to the doctines of the church, wherein it is my way or the highway.

     But in their lives do you think they possessd an attitude of ‘father’, or ‘brother’ in their relationship to their brethren and the laity? – surely the latter, as any good priest does.

     Nor did they on this earth achieve such unity with the Godhead that they were able to convert the whole world, and why not?

     Has not Jesus told his beloved flock, if you believe, ask and whatever you ask it will be granted?

     Surely this was their ardent wish … the conversion and salvation of the whole world.

     But let us look at some of the possible reasons why Jesus admonished his cherished flock against paternalistic leanings and feelings.

     Paternalism invokes righteousness in its essence, a big ask in the Christian charism for any adherent.

     Whatever the invocation in the fabric of the family, in the Christian family it invokes a mastery of all virtue….why otherwise father, in the Christian spiritual life?

     Is a spade a spade or isn’t it?

     Jesus knew the impossibility of this ask.

     Jesus himself is our brother, he gives Himself to us as our brother, our friend, our Saviour, our master and our teacher, and at the last supper our priest – and no one is greater than his master.

     Jesus says, “You have only one Father and he is in heaven.”

     Even in his discourse on leaving home and family for the sake of the kingdom of God he mentions home, family, brother, sister, mother…. but he does not mention the word father, not even in relation to the family.

     Again, when informed his mother was here to see him, he replies, all those who do my will are my mothers, and brothers and sisters….again no mention of the word “father”.

     I have shown clearly in the series of posts that this ‘fatherhood’ is not biblical, in any sense of the word, rather it it a-biblical, meaning against Scriptures!

     Let me then touch on the effect of this patricide, in effect, deicide, putting a human in between the Father (in Heaven) and his children, and in effect blocking the relationship of God with his people.

     We get the attitude, Kathjulianne has illustrated in her lengthy quote, that spiritual matters are a province of the cleric, and entertainments and the like the province of the laity…… cutting off instead of binding the laity to the spiritual life, and does this not then endanger his salvation, and that of the laity?

     What an absurd notion, and what an a-biblical notion; and far from being an isolated notion it is one that is pervasive amongst the clerical establishment.

     From whence did it arise?

     It is not uncommon for those in clerical positions to misunderstand, or be totally ignorant of vital portions of Scripture, which can be fatal because it hangs together (and I am referring only to the Gospels here) as a whole.

     Even then we must be wary because it is the work of human hands, in all its stages, translations and transmissions. Consistent meaning is the key, as it is with all teaching, prophecy and interpretation of prophecy and vision.

     I cannot judge. But I simply make the above observation.

     Hence I believe the argument against the use of the term “father”, IN ITS REAL MEANING, within the Christian context, apart from referring to Our Father in heaven, does “hang” with the rest of the Gospel ie. the word of God – with the person of Christ, and with the true charism of the Holy Ghost.

     The term itself is used, out of courtesy and respect for persons, within the Catholic and Orthodox tradition, as did the saints, and is basic to human honour and decency.

123. Fr. Joseph October 25, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

     Dear charlie,

     I should but only like to help you with this ‘thorn in your side’ regarding the nature, vocation, position, responsibilities associated with the human language written/spoken word-noun-title of “father”.

     When the Lord did NOT use the title ‘Father’ when asked who were His ‘family members’, but used the words ‘mother, brother, sister’, our Lord acknowledged that those who DID His Father’s will were ‘mother and brother and sister’ to Him in God the Father’s Spiritual Family.

     Those who share in (to the degree granted to them by Divine Grace) and LIVE by the the Spirit of God Who is God the HOLY SPIRIT are ‘mother and brother and sister’ to Him Who Is the only Eternally Begotten Divine Son of God the Father Who Is the ‘First Person of the Blessed Trinity’.

     Hence, there really and truly IS a ‘Family of God’ and that Spiritual Family entails those who PARTICIPATE IN the Life and the Concerns of the Family of God – and one becomes a ‘Member of the Family of God’ by receiving, acknowledging and relating TO God the Holy Spirit.

     Within the Church down through the centuries, ‘Traditions’ and ‘Dogma/Doctrines’ have risen as both EXTERNAL as well as INTERNAL ways, means and helps to assist and guide the members of the Church into more fully and directly participating in the Gifts and Graces of God the Holy Spirit.

     When ‘Traditions’ and ‘Doctrines/Dogmas’ wind up being a REPLACEMENT FOR one’s growing in spiritual intimacy with God rather than overt means of ASSISTING individuals towards the Wonderment of Spiritual Intimacy with God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit, then we have Human Beings attempting to take the place of God the Holy Spirit.

     Yet God the Holy Spirit WORKS IN and WORKS THROUGH the external time-space-matter-energy ‘Sacred Materials’ of the Visible Church Militant here one earth – through the Church’s Sacraments, her Sacred Scriptures, her Liturgies, her Devotions, her Sacramentals and – yes – through her Clergy and through her Lay Faithful.

     – More to follow,

     – Fr. Joseph

124. charlie October 25, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

     “…[T]he nature, vocation, position, responsibilities associated with the human language written/spoken word-noun-title of “father”.

     I don’t believe in any of the above. Never have, as I’ve explained, and will not do so any further.

     My position is clear and it is this – without offence, ‘the truth is still the truth, even if only one person believes it, and a lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.’

     However I still use the term so as not to cause offence, as charity is the overiding concern, to which all doctrine must be subject.

     ‘Feed my lambs’, ‘feed my sheep’, rock of foundation, all these words of Christ can be seen as having paternal overtones, perhaps that is why Christ decided to set things straight, by stating things in as clear and simple terms as possible so there could be no misunderstanding, with the above words, by stating categorically, call no man on earth father, master or leader, end of story. this is the Gospel to which we are called. there is no other. I for one have no problem with his words.

     I am a simple person and the Gospels are for simple people, not those who consider themselves wise.

125. Fr. Joseph October 25, 2009 @ 10:48 pm

     Dear charlie,

     So to continue on with contemplative considerations regarding “fathers” and “fatherhood”.

     When I was a young child, I hung out with children my own age. And we would always wind up at each other’s home for one reason or another. And we ALL would wind up “running into” each other’s PARENTS.

     When I and my three friends went to our fifth friend’s house and “ran into” his PARENTS, that fifth friend of ours ALONE had the privilege/honor/ability to call his MALE parent “DAD” and his FEMALE parent “MOM”. The rest of us could NOT call them either ‘Dad’ or ‘Mom’ but addressed them with either ‘MISTER So-and-So’ or ‘MISSES So-and-So’.

     But when ‘Our Gang’ came over MY house, I easily and naturally and with a degree of ‘specialness’ in our group COULD call my father ‘Dad’ and my mother ‘Mom’ while THEY called my father or mother ‘Mr.’ or ‘Mrs.’

     And when the five of us young kids would wind up talking about or referring to each other’s MALE or FEMALE parent, we would say something like

     ‘My father/mother told me to take out the trash.’

     ‘Was your father/mother angry with you for getting into that fight at school?’ etc.

     It’s a ‘natural Divine Grace’ for young children in this World of ours TO ACKNOWLEDGE who their FATHER or MOTHER is.

     – Fr. Joseph

126. Fr. Joseph October 25, 2009 @ 11:04 pm

     Dear charlie,

     Yes, the Gospel is VERY SIMPLE!

     God our Father in Heaven requested of His Son to take on OUR human time-space-matter-energy spiritual INCARNATE natures in order TO REVEAL to us all six billion human souls currently living in this World of 2009 Anno Domini that God is REALLY and TRULY ‘Our Father’!

     And God our Father in Heaven desires to grant us His Divine Nature SO THAT we all might have Eternal Life with Him in His Unseen Heavenly Paradise.

     And IN ORDER to attain onto this ‘Eternal Life’ with God our Father, God makes available to us as Gift, as Sheer Divine Grace, the Company and Abiding Indwelling Presence of His Own HOLY SPIRIT!

     And it is THAT Holy Spirit working in and working with and working FOR us that causes us to cry out ‘Abba! Father!’ just like Jesus did and does.

     So apparently, I’ve hit upon your personal ‘Hot Button’ for whatever reason(s) that makes YOUR ‘Hot Button’ hot.

     I’ve got MY ‘Hot Buttons’ – we ALL have our ‘Hot Buttons’.

     And because of these ‘Hot Buttons’ we ALL have or are TRAINED/DUPED/DECEIVED in adopting, that is why we had World War I, World War II, this bogus/fake/staged ‘War on Terror’ – and this pending satanic engineered thermonuclear Third World War he and his demons from hell and his satanic allies living in our contemporary World in which they plan to engulf our entire Human Race.

     And the Mother of God, our Spiritual Mother in Heaven – wants to put A STOP to these sorts of satanic plans and machinations against our Human Race since she is God’s NEW EVE – and I can’t the Bishops of her Son’s Church here on earth TO DROP their own respective ‘Hot Buttons’ which have and are PREVENTING THEM from working TOGETHER in order TO DO that which God our Father in Heaven has TOLD THEM TO DO via their Mother’s Apparitions and Visitations to Fatima, Portugal back in 1917 A.D.

     We have the “Filioque” HOT BUTTONS.

     We have the ‘Petrine Primacy’ HOT BUTTONS.

     We have the ‘Patriarch’s Territorial Jurisdictions’ HOT BUTTONS.

     People are more concerned about KEEPING their ‘Hot Buttons’ HOT rather than simply ‘cooling off’ and then DOING that which is vitally necessary to do or get done.

     “Hot Buttons” have REPLACED the Knowledge, Understanding, Wisdom, Courage/Fortituge, Piety, Reveverence and Awe/Fear of God in our day and age.

     So it should be rather obvious to everyone, what WE ALL NEED now is for God the Holy Spirit to come down upon us all in order to get ALL OF US living, thinking and acting off ‘The Same Divine Sheet Music’ if this Divine Symphony FOR all of Mankind EVER gets played!

     – Fr. Joseph

127. charlie October 25, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

     I should have prefaced my remarks with a “Thank you, Fr Joseph”, I was remiss in that. No hot buttons.

     My views have in the past also been passed to nearly all the clergy of my archdiocese of Sydney and further, even to Rome. I have never been condemned for them or ignored on account of them, just as you haven’t.

     I was even eagerly awaited I believe, long ago now by the archdiocese to join the priesthood but could not accept its lax state, and I felt I could do more outside of it.

     The Columban Missionaries was the charism that God pointed out to me at that time in my late twenties and I would have taken my views with me into the seminary at Sydneys upper North shore.

     I had of late hoped to become a Trappist in the Middle East, but French is not a language I can either converse in, or worship in.

     I agree with yor divine symphony. Maybe it will go something like the Battle Hymn of the Republic with which this particular comments section was begun by Brother Nathaniel.

     “Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord:
     He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
     He hath loosed the fateful lightening of His terrible swift sword:
     His truth is marching on.”

128. Fr. Joseph October 26, 2009 @ 1:20 am

     Dear charlie,

     I, too, felt the Grace of our God to entire the Priesthood when I was still in the innocence of my youth and utterly convinced of the sheer GOODNESS of life and its living.

     I “lost” that youthful vocational call in all of the religious-spiritual-political turbulence and global turmoil of the 60s – maybe “lost my WAY” at arriving at my vocation is a more appropriate way of putting it. Why…’EVERYONE WAS LOST’ and ‘EVERYONE LOST THEIR WAY’ back in the 60s.

     So I was “shocked” one day when the Lord, in His Spirit, made Himself manifest to me and – in an entirely unspoken manner of communicating to me – Spirit-to-spirit – asked me whether or not I would accept being ordained into the Priesthood forty plus years ‘after the fact’.

     We might “forget” or be forced into “forgetfulness”, but the Lord’s Memory remembers His Things without fail.

     Charlie, we don’t accept our spiritual vocations on account of how ‘GOOD’ things are in or with the Church. We accept our religious and spiritual vocations on account of HIS CHURCH being in NEED.

     And when His Church is in NEED, it is the Lord Who is in NEED.

     And with Mankind in DIRE NEED and His Church in DIRE NEED, the question is from where will the Lord and Mankind get the necessary MANPOWER to confront and combat this global satanic psycho-spiritual ASSAULT against His Church and His Mankind for whom He died on His Cross to SAVE and to REDEEM?

     Charlie, you have a spiritual-religious vocation.

     We MEN are brainwashed day in and day out with all of this Zionist brou-ha-ha to be “An Army Of One” and “The Few, The Proud, The Brave” in order to throw our minds and are bodies into these globali$t wars meant to enrich THEM while promoting THEIR global designs for Power and Empire.

     The Church and, by extention, the Human Race needs ‘GOOD MEN’ who will make some sort of personal SACRIFICE for the good of God’s Holy Will, His Church and for all of Mankind.

     While most ‘men’ are off seeking positions, power, prestige, political prowess, promotions and their own personal welfare and well-being with the attending attitude ‘To Hell With Everyone and Everything Else’ etc., fewer and fewer are the MEN in our contemporary World who are willing to contribute their limited and finite humanity and their limited and finite talents and abilities in trying TO ASSIST the Creator of All that is seen and Unseen in doing those things they can do in order to bring forth and make manifest God’s All-good and Holy Will FOR His Church here on earth and FOR all of Mankind our All-good God LOVES with all the Might of His Divine Nature.

     I’m sure that if you but have a nakedly sincere ‘heart & mind to Heart and Mind’ private ‘Talk’ with the One Who sees all things, telling Him of your “doctrinal” persuasions and adherence, telling Him of that inkling/desire to join the Trappists or the Columbines or whatever Religious Order (why not give the CARMELITES some thought while I grin silently) – just SHARING all of that on a one-on-One basis will, in itself, bring Him MUCH comfort and consolation.

     With the shape the Church and our World is in in this year 2009 Anno Domini, simply doing THAT – bringing Him some Personal comfort and consolation – would be a GREAT ACT of loving charity to our Lord, our God, our Creator, our Savior and our Father in Heaven.

     THAT might win lots and lots of HOPELESSLY LOST SINNERS in our contemporary World the necessary Divine Graces THEY personally need to bring them to repentence so as to save THEIR souls for all of Eternity from the torments of Satan and his despicable demonics.

     – Fr. Joseph

129. Fr. Joseph October 26, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

     Dear charlie,

     I’m sure that you are aware of this, but there as many religious vocations to and within the Church as there are general temperments, gifts, talents and abilities both men and women really and truly do possess.

     If you were considering the Trappists, or Cisertians or the Carthusians – or any other manly/masculine MONASTIC Order in the Church, maybe you’d want to watch this DVD entitled ‘Into Great Silence’

     http://www.amazon.com/Into-Great-Silence-Two-Disc-Set/dp/B000OYNVOY

     Just trying to help out a ‘vocation’.

     – Fr. Joseph

130. Anti-Globalizationist November 10, 2009 @ 8:54 am

     Vladimir Bukovsky (Ex Soviet Dissident) – A Stark Warning About The European Union –

     Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YEjgg5cuwE

     Former Soviet Dissident Warns For EU Dictatorship –

     Link: http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865

131. dima November 27, 2010 @ 8:40 am

     Europe is a land Magog Antichrist Gog – the leader, European Union.