Obama’s BIG Health Care LIES
OBAMA’S BIG HEALTH CARE LIES
By Brother Nathanael Kapner, Copyright 2009-2010
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AMERICANS DON’T LIKE A CON MAN — neither do they like being lied to. In just nine short months Barack Hussein Obama has revealed himself to be what he really is: a con man who lies to get what he wants.
Obama and his enablers (Soros-Brzezinksi-Wall Street Jews) are determined to turn Americans into vassals of an all-powerful federal government presided over by an all-powerful president, a corps of Jewish czars, and a Congress dominated by Zionist-bought political hacks.
Con men like Obama invariably resort to strong-arm tactics. An example is Obama’s Cap and Trade Bill – his first major attempt to impose his authoritarian will on Americans by strong-arming opponents through his Zionist Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel.
It narrowly passed the Zionist controlled House only after Emanuel applied the Zionist bludgeon to wavering Democrats whose “no” votes would cost them re-election in 2010.
Emanuel’s connections to Jewry’s media and money masters who smear offenders and finance those who play ball with them, is a large enough threat to put the ‘fear of the Jews’ into all of the political patsies on Capitol Hill.
ON THE HEELS OF THIS POWER GRAB, Obama presented to Congress last month a demand that it pass his Healthcare Bill before its recess. Obama left it up to the hated Nancy Pelosi and her colleague in Capitol Hill crime, Zionist Jew Henry Waxman, to design a health care program that would give the federal government TOTAL CONTROL of one-sixth of the US economy and TOTAL RULE over the health of the American people.
But the American people would not allow the ‘messiah’ Obama to take control of their money and their well being. For when Obama started using local town meetings as his venue, Americans struck back by expressing their ire at their representatives in Congress who hosted the meetings.
Neither were Americans surprised when Obama showed his utter lack of knowledge of what the Pelosi/Waxman Bill is all about. AND they are still in a backlash mode in response to Obama’s contempt toward them who dared to question his utopian health care deceptions.
‘YOU LIE!’
OBAMA THREATENED TO “CALL OUT” all those who “misrepresent” what’s in his Health Care Plan during his speech to Congress on September 9, 2009. Obama made the very same threat in his staged speech in Minneapolis to bused-in groupies and swarming swooners on September 12, 2009.
But Americans are now calling out Obama for his list of lies just as Congressman Joe Wilson did during Obama’s speech to Congress, shouting to the would-be messiah, “You Lie!”
Wilson’s censure was in response to Obama’s statement on illegal immigrants:
“There are those who claim that my reforms will insure illegal immigrants. This is false — the reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.” View Entire Speech Here.
But indeed illegal immigrants would be permitted participation in Obama’s health care plan because the Bill does not include a mechanism for verifying US citizenship. Thus, illegal immigrants would receive basic coverage at no or little cost using the public option.
A CONGRESSIONAL RESEARCH SERVICE REPORT issued August 25, 2009, states that Obama’s Health Care Plan “does not contain any restrictions on participating non-citizens — whether the non-citizens are in the US temporarily or permanently.” While hospitals worry about recouping their costs for treating illegal immigrants, America’s legal citizens will be the ones to pick up the tab. View Entire Report Here.
Obama then told us that he can insure millions more without adding to the already record-breaking deficit. But how is it that after the Congressional Budget Office demonstrated this to be impossible, Obama willfully ignored the findings? And how is it that the very same Congress applauded Obama throughout his speech? (They’re all bought by Zionist Jews who wish to weaken America, that’s why.)
IN SUMMATION, a list of the top six GOVERNMENT CONTROLS on our lives via Obama’s Health Care Plan are in order: 1) We Will Have No Choice In What Health Benefits We Receive 2) No Chemo For Older Medicare Patients 3) Illegal Immigrants Get Free Health Insurance 4) Federal Government Will Set Doctors’ Wages 5) Death Panels Will Decide Who Lives & Who Dies 6) Federal Government Will Have Electronic Access To Everyone’s Bank Account. View Newsweek Report Here.
Obama, liar that he is, denies all of the above. He especially denies that “death panels” will be in place in his Health Plan. The “death panels,” as Sarah Palin calls them, are actually the bureaucracies that Obama is establishing which will make the decisions on who gets health care, how much health care, and whether it is time for us vassals to die.
And who will be the bureaucrats who will decide if we live or die? Jews, Anti-Christian Jews, that’s who. (Rahm Emanuel’s brother, Ezekiel Emanuel, who is Obama’s health care czar and author of Obama’s Health Care Plan, will be one of them.)
BOTTOM LINE: We’ve penetrated the facade and seen the real Obama — a con man with a pack of lies to sell to a fed-up American people…
For More See: Why Obama’s Health Care Plan Can Kill You Click Here
And: The Obama/Soros Plan To Destroy America Click Here
And: Obama’s Unconstitutional ‘Czar Power Grab’ Must Be Stopped Click Here
And: Obama ‘Czars’ – A Zionist Shadow Government Click Here
And: Is Obama America’s Great ‘Black’ Hope? Click Here
And: How Obama Will Ruin America Click Here
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This is a US government contractor which gathers intel on so-called terrorist groups.
Oh, and did I mention that the CEO has ties with Israel and is a Jew? Wow isn’t that convenient.
Even though we have our differences, may I state that this is a very good article, especially the ‘points’ at the end…..
Thanks, I will send a small contribution.
I am part of the great unwashed unemployed thanks to the zionist power brokers.
Great job. God Bless you for your courage.
I pray Jesus will send your helpers in your important ministry. As the Apostle Paul said, ‘the Jews oppose all men’. He recognized he was a new creature in Christ.
The Jews on aggrgate are ardent Zionists and as the Jew Karl Marx said, money is their god.
Something numerous Jewish writers have said as well. So few ‘real’ Jews, like you preaching the truth.
Shalom
Hi Brother Nathanael and RZN readers,
I have to say that over here in Britain we do have a National Health care called the NHS.
It would be a great thing for American citizens too if only the government was LEGITIMATE and without its nefarious players.
It seems a terrifying thing for any Brit to imagine your privatized system and need of health insurance.
What are the positive alternatives if some are without health care?
The faults of the system over here are long waiting lists at times for treatment-not in all cases.
And perhaps less quality in treatment as you might get in france for instance.
If the US government wasn’t as suspect as it is free care would be a good thing.
Better use of people’s money than the military industrial complex and other such atrocities against living life.
I came across the etymology of NATION and found its meaning to be synonymous with GENTILE.
Isn’t that crazy!
So the very word Nationalized can be akin to GENTILIZED.
words give away what’s going on all the time, its just looking beneath the surface.
Bloody NEWSPEAK.
Of all the Immigration enforcements laws that really works E-Verify has settled in to removing illegal immigrants from the workplace.
E-Verify is being upgraded continually and marked workers can have errors resolved at their nearest Social Security office? But there is a “Sunset Provision” that could determine its future, since it’s specially working for the millions of jobless Americans?
Supposedly E-Verification expires on September 30, only days after a Federal judge turned down a desperate delay from the despicable Special interest lobbyists led by the US Chamber of Commerce. On September 8 E-Verify, a contingency of the SAVE ACT was fully implemented mandating that all federal contractors and sub-contractors–MUST–use this computerized identification system.
The American people must understand their is tremendous pressure on anemic members of both political parties to dismantle, store or hinder the E-Verify process as they are the puppets of rich business enterprises. Then Rep. JOE WILSON R-NC) opened the proverbial humongous can of worms in the full house chamber.
We must endeavor to continue on raising our voices against the powerful forces that think nothing more than to destroy this valuable commodity called E-Verify. Overtime it will rid from every workplaces of millions of illegal workers, who think they are safe from government intervention.
It will save billions of dollars being exported to other lands and sever the tolerant welfare programs, health care, education accessed by illegal low wage earners. E-Verify could introduced in all medical facilities, to check a persons national identity.
The expedited message will spread and these lawbreakers will realize that it’s fruitless to keep on applying for jobs. Eventually families will start to pack-up and depart for every corner of the earth. But it’s up to the American voter to keep relentlessly calling the Washington switchboard 202-224-3121contacting their politicians.
Evaluate each lawmaker at NUMBERSUSA or JUDICIAL WATCH and command them to enforce E-Verify permanently. Not Voluntary for every business, but a mandatory addition for each employer.
Fulfill their obligation to build the fence according to Rep. Duncan Hunter R-CA. Keep training the regular police according to the Federal 287 G directive,.
Not to Rescind the No Match letter or desist ICE raids or weaken any other enforcement law, such as the 1986 Immigration Control & Reform Act. Fed’s should restrict SANCTUARY CITY & STATE policies.
NOW IT’S UP TO YOU? STARTLING WEBSITE! GOOGLE—IMMIGRATION COUNTERS.
United States of America….”home of the brave”.
Actually home of bigotry, racism, insane right wing religion, liars and damn liars.
A failed society eating itself from the inside.
A country that is a cancerous growth on the planet that will soon excise itself without help, and that not a moment too soon.
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I want to thank you for this very informative article. It is excellent, as all your pieces are and so very full of truth. You have a fine following as is depicted from the folks who have posted.
I have just sent you a donation and I hope it helps you spread your message. I look forward to your talks with Jeff Rense and subscribe to your RSS feed which I am very happy you provide.
Bless you in your endeavors and I hope you are able to continue your excellent work which is informative and enlightening!
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Christ’s Blessings To You & Yours!
Your +Brother in Christ, Nathanael
It’s not about CARE, it’s about CONTROL!
Healthcare is just one more area in the dismantling of our Consitution and our Rights.
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“It’s not about CARE, it’s about CONTROL!”
Thats right. If it was about health care they would simply expand Medicare to cover those who are not now covered, not introduce a 1200+ page new Bill.
I think its more about abolishing health care, taking control away from the patient and the doctor and giving it to the beloved goverment. Devil of an idea.
Hello brother Kapner.
Im a regular visitor to this site and have a question on a issue I have come across recentley when researching about these Zionists. So Im sorry for going of topic.
I belive it´s a notion by the “main” Jews themselves that the Zionsts are Sabbateans, Doenmeh, Frankists who wish to destroy Israel. I have found one of the main preachers for this is Israeli journalist Barry Chamish.
Im interested to read your thoughts and insights regarding this issue. I have only heard wagley of Sabbateans and knew they where considered heretics.
So the question is there any thruth in this? Or is this the logic explanation from unwitting Jews to the Zionist movment?
Dear Bro. Nathanael
This article is hard hitting, well researched and very much to the point. Your art work is fantastic.
Thank you very much.
TO tell the truth, I read the link Brother Nate supplied for treatment of noncitizens and could not really understand the gobbledee gook bureaucratize, and this was written to decipher the original for the layperson!
http://opencrs.com/document/R40773/
“H.R. 3200 as reported from the House Energy and Commerce Committee (E&C) would extend Medicaid eligibility up to 133 1/3% of poverty for populations that previously were not covered (e.g., childless adults and many parents). This extension of benefits could mean an increase in the number of noncitizens who already meet the immigration status requirements for Medicaid eligibility who would be eligible for Medicaid.”
I guess this means that illegals could receive Medicaid, if that is what it means, it is outrageous but all according to Plan, that is, the Protocols of Zion plan, man. Get it?
Dear Lorne,
I sympathize with the hard feelings you are having towards America, but it may be unfair of you to so harshly judge so many with one sweeping gesture. America has many sides and faces, and the Americans who are not despicable are also largely invisible.
It’s like Israel: I have often entertained the idea that all Israelis are monsters, but it doesn’t check out with the reality of the people I’ve met…some are, most aren’t.
I hope that when history evaluates America and it’s failures that people recognize that the television as a weapons system of mass mind control and group hallucination was unveiled and used for the first time in history to subjugate the American public life, and that many of the psychoses and neuroses exhibited in America have been deliberately fostered and created.
It remains a positive hope amongst those who love America and its little people, that we will live to see the day when this pallor of iniquity is lifted from our land. Yes, our nation is in sin and is called to repentance.
But there was a house and a tree and a place called home which once was good. May Christ have mercy on us and lead us out of this perdition.
Dear Brother Nathanael and RZN Christians,
The following is amusing, if not provable:
by Tom Heneghan
International Intelligence Expert
UNITED STATES of America – It can now be reported that current Israeli Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu aka BibiFRAUD was physically removed from the office of former Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin during a recent visit to Moscow, Russia by Netanyahu.
Putin refused to sign off on an Israeli air strike against Iran and Putin refused to take a bribe in gold and Euro currency that was offered to Putin by Netanyahu in return for the Russian Federation’s acquiescence to an Israeli air strike on Iran.
Note: The gold and Euro currency offered to Putin by Netanyahu are actually proceeds from none other than the Bernard Madoff Ponzi Scheme, which had been under the control of Netanyahu along with the former President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Stephen Friedman.
Neocon ZIONIST publisher Mortimer “Mort” Zuckerman of U.S. News and World Report, as well as Larry King of CNN and Joe Klein of TIME magazine, received all of the money back they had invested in the Madoff Ponzi Scheme on visits to Israel.
While in Russia, Netanyahu threatened to bring the whole world down and told Putin to watch his back and that it wouldn’t be hard to create a mushroom cloud over Moscow, at which point Putin told Netanyahu that he could turn the state of Israel into an ashtray within 24 hours, and then Putin, himself, physically removed Netanyahu from his office.
Item: Netanyahu had recently traveled to Russia on a secret flight from Tel Aviv to a base in the old Soviet province of Georgia and then on to the Russian capital.
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jz
Hi All & a Man of peace,
I have lived in the UK for about 10 years and I have seen the National Healthcare system there by first hand. May I also say here that while I lived in the UK, I actually had a serious medical condition which I attempted to correct via the British health system over 3-4 years, so I have seen it both from the point of view of a normal citizen AND from the point of view of someone who needs serious medical care urgently.
In a nutshell, the system is EXPENSIVE, EXTREMELY INEFFICIENT, DICTATORIAL, APPALLING and TERRIBLE. Let me present below a very small sub-set of the reasons why I believe this:
1) DICTATORIAL SYSTEM, BASED ON BUREAUCRACY AND HIERARCHICAL ACCESS TO MEDICAL CARE AND INFORMATION.
When you move into an area, you get assigned a GP (General Practitioner) Doctor. Sounds good doesn’t it? Well, in actual fact, from that point onwards, this GP is the sole person who you MUST see first no matter what the medical problem. To go to the hospital, have a blood test, get ANY medicine, get a second opinion (which is near to impossible to do in the UK) etc. etc., you have to get the GPs permission.
The SOLE reason why you are given a GP is for them to be your CONTROLLER and keep costs down. He plays the role of the screener and filters out “timewasters” from the system. This means that if for some reason they don’t like you, or they do not think you have a problem, or for whatever reason you are not given permission, you are stuck and you have to fight for it. And I mean really fight for it.
I remember one particular case where I asked for the advise of the Doctor on a hormonal problem that I have, and showed her a book that I was reading about it, and she said: ” I have book! I have Book too!” LITERALLY like that since she was a first generation Indian, with not too good of an English knowledge.
The worst thing, was, that the “book” she was referring to, was the Government supplied lists of approved medicines. Other than that, I had NEVER noticed any other book in her office. Since then, I was amongst the disslikable patients, which simply meant, I was refused medicine, any treatment than just 1-2 minutes worth and basically any serious service, BECAUSE I DARED QUESTION HER BY BRINGING A MEDICAL BOOK IN HER OFFICE.
Off course, you can complain, but then you have to deal with the governmental bureaucracy in order to get just a tiny bit of what you should be able to get in the first place. In the end, I lied about my living location and changed my GP.
2) UNIFORM POLICIES, REGARDLESS OF MEDICAL PROGRESS AND ADVANCES.
Generally speaking, ALL GPs, follow STRICT rules and procedures, no matter what your conditions is. Got stomach ache? Then you get THIS medicine. NO OTHER. STILL GOT STOMACH PROBLEMS? They may give you an appointment with the hospital, but all you will get is the SAME PHOTOCOPIED treatment.
3) GOVERNMENT APPROVAL FOR EVERYTHING.
The medicines you are getting in the UK, are always approved “versions” of the branded medicines and also, if there is evidence that any give treatment or ANY procedure whatsoever is either better or worse, YOU ARE STUCK WITH THE SYSTEM. YOU HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE. For example, if you want to vaccinate (I do not and NEVER will), but as an example, if you want to vaccinate, you have NO choice, you will get the GOVERNMENT version of it.
An additional situation that arises from this, is the sense in the UK medical world that “IF THE GOVERNMENT APPROVES IT THEN It MUST BE RIGHT”. Thus, science goes out of the window, and REGARDLESS of what proof you may have, or outright proof, your word and science have NO value whatsoever, because what is accepted is ONLY what the Government has predetermined to be right and acceptable. The true face of communist/socialist government is very visible in the UKs NHS.
Americans, is this what you want to happen with your medical system too?
3) Because in the UK National Healthcare is so wide spread, the private options are little, especially outside of the big cities. This means that if you wanted to have a blood test done, because you wanted a second opinion and then go a to private doctor of your choosing, you either have to scour the Capital or the closest City for one and travel there or you are left with simply NO Choice.
In addition, you cannot offset or choose to go exclusively private, you still have to pay for your NHS. Thus if you do get a second opinion or treatment from somewhere else, that’s ADDITIONAL COST.
4) UK HEALTH CARE Is FREE? HA HA VERY FUNNY!!!
In the UK, contrary to public idiotic belief, Healthcare is NOT free. I repeat, it is FAR FROM FREE. In every paycheck you get, you pay hundreds of Dollars worth of National Insurance costs. As an employer, which is what I was later on, I payed almost DOUBLE that for my self, and MUCH MORE ON TOP Of THAT for my EMPLOYEES. And that was from my as of yet untaxed company gross income. You think 300-600 GBP depending on your situation per Month is FREE?
For that amount of money I DEMAND SERVICE!!!
5) WAITING LISTS AND MORE WAITING LISTS
Hospitalization waiting lists. There’s even waiting involved to ACTUALLY GET on the waiting list. Enough said, just Google “UK hospital waiting lists” or similar terms. 6 Months waiting just to see if you still have cancer? 12 months for an operation? 3 Months for treating a serious condition in a hospital?
When in hospital, you have to wait for your food to arrive cold. You have to wait for the doctor to arrive and see you for ONE MINUTE ONLY. You have to wait to be given assistance to go to the Restroom, to get a clarification from the doctor or have a question… And I mean waiting, sometimes for hours not minutes.
What on earth is that? Do you think you would get such a big waiting time if you paid that same amount to a private company? Of course not!
6) MEDICAL STAFF AS CIVIL WORKERS
EVERYTIME you go to your medical practice you face hypocritically polite CIVIL workers, who are UNWILLING to help you in reality and just can’t wait for you to just leave. Treatment is fast and “efficient” based on government rules and directives, you have no choices, make a sufficiently “complex” request and you will be waiting there to get confirmation (usually negative) from the “person responsible”.
That’s enough I think for now, but as you can see National Healthcare is Completely Insane if it’s the only option. And on top of that, it gives complete a full control on how your health is treated by essentially the government.
Anyone who cares to refute what I said above, I have tons and tons more information from personal experience and close people I know in the UK about the NHS and the complete and utter fascistic and expensive mess it really is.
Americans, do NOT make the mistake in accepting a fascist and dictatorial Healthcare system in the US. You WILL regret it.
PS. Some other time I will speak about how the situation is in Greece, but suffice it to say that while there is National insurance, one has many options when it comes to healthcare, albeit with some extra cost.
Stav
Hi all,
UK Healthcare System Waiting Lists links:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2362597.stm
http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/health/Waiting-times-cut-city-hospital-tests/article-1339135-detail/article.html
http://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/content/redbridge/recorder/news/story.aspx?brand=RECOnline&category=newsIlford&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=newsilford&itemid=WeED11%20Sep%202009%2016%3A13%3A50%3A493
http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/gwentnews/4593127.Waiting_time_challenge_for_hospitals/
http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/27951
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6825581.ece
That’s just for a start..
Stav
Dear RZN Family,
Just yesterday, came across a printed out e-mail I received from my Bishop over a year ago.
As we cannot but help but WATCH our World and its Nations coming unglued at the seams, so to speak, and we come to recognize the reality of the “diminishing returns” of our individual and collective efforts TO HALT, TO REMEDY, TO CORRECT, TO COMBAT all of these EVILS against which we fight ourselves contending, I want TO SHARE this particular e-mail from my Catholic Bishop (who is relaying OUR LORD’S Thoughts and Instructions to me) so that AS MANY OF YOU 870,000+ RZN readers can make the concerted effort(s) of getting yourselves, your families, your loved ones, your relatives and friends to RETURN to the Lord via your prayers, your sacrfices, your presence and participation in daily/weekly Mass or at the Divine Liturgies, to the Christian Church’s Sacraments of Baptism, Confession, Confirmation etc. as necessary.
Inasmuch as I’d like to see 6 billion human beings returning to the Lord EN MASSE, I don’t think that is going to happen. Nevertheless, if I can get AT LEAST a couple of thousand of you RZN readers and your families, BACK to a mindfulness of our Lord and God placing yourselves in LOVING SERVICE to Him and to each other, I will then feel as though I’ve accomplished a ‘something’ in having been ordained into His Church’s Priesthood:
February 9, 2008
“Dear +Archimandrite,
I sought the Lord about your idea, and here is His response as I heard His reply:
‘My dear son, I so honor your zeal to share a wealth of knowledge with souls, but such a thing could truly be an unhealthy diversion. Precious child of My Heart, IT IS THE LAST QUARTER OF THE ELEVENTH HOUR (caps emphasis – mine), and I need your Full attention to be upon Me Personally. There is still a tendency to want to be BUSY, and to PRODUCE large volumes of material. I counsel you in My Holy Scriptures, ‘Knowledge puffs up, but Love edifies.’
“As with anyone in Love, I simply want for you to spend time with Me. When you feel that restlessness, that pent up nature that needs to create and share – better for you to get up and perform corporal works of mercy for your neighbors, whomever they may be on any given day. You will accomplish more in your life witness to them, than could ever be effectec by books upon books of writing. Share your experience of Me by your loving and caring example, for I Love a Cheerful Giver.
“I am pleased with your heart and mind, and your sincere intentions. It is time now, again, to pull back in and focus upon Me, and HONESTLY pray for lost souls, offering many sacrifices on their behalf. This more than anything else, is the CRUCIAL WORK before you.
“I need your promise and commitment, to pray diligently, ASKING FOR THE GRACE to truly have My Heart for these souls, and thus praying for them to be visited by My Mercy IN THESE FINAL HOURS. Your devotion is very dear to Me, and I know that you will respond generously in this regard. You have My Full Presence and Attention to assist you, and My Blessing is Strong upon you. Persevere now for these hopeless ones.
“IT IS TIME TO BRING THEM HOME.”
Now I know that ‘IF’ the Bishops of His Catholic Church preformed the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to His Mother’s Immaculately Loving Heart, there would be such a GLOBAL OUTPOURING of Divine Graces, Divine Helps, Divine Assistance to, for and upon ALL OF YOU – even ‘legions of HOPELESS souls’ – but I can’t ORDER the Bishop of Rome nor the Bishops of His Church to do anything at all.
But for you, my dear RZN reader – I don’t want ANYTHING EVIL to befall you either in the temporal or spiritual realms. And it would give me much JOY if, by this particular posting to RZN of mine, if I could get you to JOIN IN with the local Christian congregation offering up the Sacrifice of Mass or the Divine Liturgy at your local Catholic or Orthodox parish.
As the Lord Himself has told me via my Bishop:
“It is time to bring them home.”
My your Guardian Angels make a clear path for ALL OF YOU so as to facilitate each and every last one of you in YOUR RETURN to your Father’s House and Home in Heaven.
That’s my world-wide public prayer and personal wish/desire for ALL OF YOU! Amen.
– Fr. Joseph
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Hey Bro N–
Have a great time in Denver-
It’s a fun yet hard town to get a message to.
However, I wish you the best!
I’ll hold down the fort while you’re gone.
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Hi there Stav.
Yes I agree with much of what you have written, concerning second opinion one can go to A&E and meet another Doctor there without a referral.
Some people I have known have had terrible experiences with the system over here, serious cases. One friend even took a child in his family to France just to get treated.
They also seem quick to push pills at times rather than spend the time and energy in resolving things naturally, like they are running on a conveyor belt, no time, get in, get out and be fixed.
About costs. It comes out of the annual revenue generated by Taxes. The taxes are a contrived mess, much money is filtered down into the wrong places and hence such POOR health care.
The establishment here is as corrupt as the US and in fact is the ORIGINAL template for what is going on, as this site presents; it’s no secret that the People are not represented and so health care, education etc are denied the REAL money.
It’s all concentrated methodically and calculated in the hands of “wrongens”.
Waiting lists are terrible at times, it must be noted that health care in the UK has declined dramatically over the last few decades. They cut costs and rely on foreign labour, that is the way it is. No offense to people from other countries but its good to speak with someone who understands your words.
The doctors here do stick empirically to the BOOK, which is frustrating and they look at you as if you were an alien if you talk about any alternative therapies for treatment – which is ironic as the pills they push are unnatural.
Ive been ill in Greece before and was amazed by the treatment of a nice doctor on an Island.
She prescribed something that resolved a problem in a day and it was ALL natural.
All in all its not a great system, has MANY flaws however, WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE?
Sick people that can’t afford anything – no care at all?
Hi Brother Nathanael,
I wish you in good spirit for your Denver trip.
If you are going to LA be prepared I’ve heard its also known as HELL-A. City of plastic and a materialistic slumber, I hope you bring it some class.
Take care and God bless you on your journeys.
Dear RZN family,
Just found this clever and witty blog site:
“Barack Obama’s Teleprompter’s Blog”
“Because There Is No POTUS Without TOTUS”
“Reflections from the hard drive of the machine that enables the voice of the Leader of the Free World”
http://baracksteleprompter.blogspot.com/
“Tuesday, September 15, 2009
Busy 24 Hours
“Wow, I’m beat. First, Big Guy and I recorded that little comment about Kanye, so that Bill Burton could hand it off to ABC News, which would make it look like it was “accidentally” leaked.
“I hate to tell Burton this, but I think he has enough incompetent interns in that press office that they didn’t need to make this big of an effort. Besides, somehow I doubt most Americans believe Big Guy even knows who this white girl, loved by those weird people who cling to their guns and their Bibles and their income, is.
“Then it was off to rehearse for today’s big speeches. The first one just finished up in Pittsburgh, and here, Big Guy had to act like he was just full of piss and vinegar for a fight over health care. That wasn’t a problem for Big O, in part because the audience were union folks, whom Big Guy knows will do just about anything for him.
“Big Guy is the kind of person who keeps a tall of his friends and his enemies and has Rahm monitor the list and keep it up to date based on every little slight. So, for example, this morning, ACORN was dropped a notch and the AFL-CIO was moved up a spot.
“ACORN, because Big Guy discovered that the group was pimping for people other than him, and the AFL-CIO because, well, they aren’t ACORN, and don’t show up on grainy undercover video footage.
“Well, at least until the FBI divulges it in grand jury testimony…”
Our military personnel are being forced to take the swine flu vaccine.
http://www.army.mil/-news/2009/09/02/26861-troops-to-receive-h1n1-flu-vaccinations/?ref=news-home-title3%5b/rul
If you understand the history of the great pandemic of 1917-1918 you know that the American Army was forced to take a similar experimental vaccine of the day. This mandatory inoculation infected the soldiers and the spread the virus to their families and millions of people died.
Hey, Brother Kapner
Are you familiar with this website?
http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/News_Commentary.html
Hi a Man of peace,
You say:
“All in all its not a great system, has MANY flaws however, WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE?
Sick people that can’t afford anything – no care at all?”
LIBERTY is the answer.
If the government wants to spend money on health care, then let the People Choose where they want to spend this money. Introduce a free choice of doctor or other medical practitioner in the general sense.
People should be FREE TO CHOOSE either:
1) Mainstream treatment with the practitioner of their choice.
2) Alternative treatment with their practitioner of their choice.
3) NO treatment at all, if they so choose.
4) ANY combination of the above.
5) All of the above should be subsidized by either National or Private insurance, that is to say everyone should have the OPTION to CHOOSE one or BOTH. For example, currently the UK government spends obscene amounts of money for social security, for example they pay part or all of the rent for people who cannot afford it. Something similar can be implemented for medical things as well.
In addition:
1) ALL information should be freely and easily available to Doctors and “lay” people alike.
2) Incentives must be given for the individual to learn more about their condition and given ALL information when requested.
3) Doctors, should be regularly challenged with FACTS and RETURN TO THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD. It should no longer be considered a taboo to challenge or advise a doctor. All disputes should be handled with respect for the patient and in a logical and ordered manner, based on facts.
4) In addition to the above point 3), the pharmaceutical companies, should be HEAVILY and CONTINUALLY AUDITED and checked for CONFLICTS of INTEREST. Immediate suspension of their activities should be a CONSTANT fear for them.
5) Doctors and other practitioners should be MANDATED to KNOW FULLY EVERYTHING there is to KNOW about the medicine they give. It should be ILLEGAL to offer drugs and treatment of ANY kind, weather alternative or mainstream, without in depth knowledge of them.
Have any of you tried to ask a full explanation from ANY doctor about EXACTLY how a drug or vaccine works, and what each ingredient does EXACTLY? They do not know, do they? And they do not know, because:
1) They have not looked into it because it would take too long to study all the relevant materials.
KIND OF LIKE THE MASSIVE HUNDREDS OF PAGES LOG BILLS our GOVERNMENT TRY TO PASS IN MERE HOURS ISN’T IT?
2) Many drugs are patented and are basically secret, and thus the information on how they work is unavailable.
KIND OF LIKE LIKE BEN BERNAKE TRIES TO TELL US THAT THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM IS TOO COMPLICATED TO UNDERSTAND BY US MERE PEASANTS AND THAT KEEPING IT SECRET IS FOR OUR OWN GOOD ISN’T IT?
Thus, it is immoral for medical practitioners to appear to be so “sure” that this or the other is the way to go when they do not have a clue what they are prescribing…
Thus:
1) Government should be the PROTECTOR OF LIBERTY, not the one to remove it.
2) Government should implement subsidizing of Medical Care but NOT control it. It does NOT follow that the majority is always right, and this is especially true in scientific matters, which today’s mainstream medicine confesses to be a part of, which is something that I heavily doubt.
3) The medical system in general needs to operate in complete light and openness and loose its “special” and “elite” status.
EXACTLY LIKE THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM THEN…
And in addition:
1) Each and everyone’s health is their OWN responsibility FIRST AND FOREMOST. An individual’s health CANNOT and MUST NOT be delegated 100% to another person and/or an organization.
Other people and organizations should assist the individuals responsibility to make the right choices. They SHOULD NOT take over completely. This also means that we people MUST acquire responsibility , not in a theoretical sense but in a practical sense. Giving a quick look at the back of a medicine box or asking for reassurance from the doctor, DOES NOT CONSTITUTE BEING RESPONSIBLE!
Finally, I’d like to say here that is has been “inserted” into everyone’s mind that in order to be fair, governments have to be controlling, forceful and totalitarian. Kinda like what they are trying to tell us which is that we must loose freedom in order to gain security…
This is NOT true. In fact, it is not only false, but it is idiotic too. Things can be both FAIR for everybody and implemented in the context of LIBERTY.
Stav
Hi all,
More on Liberty and the Health Care system.
As I said before, people should have the choice of health care they want.
If you, Americans, choose to consolidate your health care system into a governmental institution, you will loose your liberty as far as health care goes.
But in order to re-instate Liberty, one must LOVE liberty. If you do not value Liberty, then you will NOT have it. And how does one get to love Liberty for one self and his neighbor?
By getting the order and importance of values right.
Health of the body is of course NOT as important as the health of the mind and spirit.
One must keep the health of their Spirit in check first.
After that, comes the health of the Mind.
Finally then comes the health of the Body.
If one takes these 3 in a different order, they will end up in a bad place. Not only that, but if one addresses the health of the body before the other two, they will essentially gain neither. It must be said however that all of these levels are to be worked at during ones whole lifetime and not to be seen as purely separate tasks.
STEP 1: Spiritual health
Thus, one must attain a level of spiritual health, by making sure they are just people in general and follow at least their conscience and at most Gods commandments. This, in a nutshell means a love for God and fellow man and a love for truth it self.
STEP 2: Mental Health.
Then, one must build up a healthy mind, so that they are able to think and reason correctly and arrive to correct conclusions based on the spiritual health and values attained in step 1. This will give the ability to deal with every situation in an efficient and well thoughts out manner. It will also give the mind an ability to articulate and express and an ability to analyze and see clearly what is being presented to it.
STEP 3: Bodily Health.
Once the above are reached at a workable level, then one can “tackle” the matter of bodily health correctly. People will then see that openness, freedom of choice, sticking to the truth and having the Liberty to investigate and choose for one self is beneficial to all. In addition, then it will be obvious that providing for the needy in the form of taxes and social support where it’s needed is the way to go. Then, all will understand that giving the choice to all, poor and rich is the way to go. Not only because it is logical, but because it is the righteous thing to do.
Utopia? Well it seems to be right now doesn’t it? In order to move towards this, we must be all responsible, rather than letting government make all the choices for us and let them hide their agendas as if we are mere animals or subjects to them.
The change must first and foremost be done inside US. Because THAT is what we can control most effectively by far.
Please do NOT let your health care system become a fascistic institution, YOU WILL REGRET IT BIG TIME, just as you are now starting to regret voting for Barack Hussein Obama!!!
And DO NOT take the vaccine, you WILL REGRET IT PAINFULLY also!!!
In the least, please look into it yourselves, research it, DO NOT GET ALL YOUR INFO FROM TV. Delve into it, challenge your selves, take the reigns in your own hands!!! Don’t let them tell you what’s right for you, don’t let them trample on your Bill of Rights.
How I wish my country had a Bill of Rights! Sadly only the USA has a Constitution AND a Bill Of Rights. It seams to me, that you simply do not know what you’ve got, until you loose it. Please Americans, DO NOT LET THEM TAKE IT AWAY FROM YOU!
Stav
Dear Fr. Joseph and All,
You quoted:
“IT IS TIME TO BRING THEM HOME.”
That’s exactly the way I feel.
All Christians must come home to the true Church. That includes the Roman Church. Consecrations of whole countries will come later.
I feel the need to point out that “JOIN IN with the local Christian congregation offering up the Sacrifice of Mass or the Divine Liturgy at your local Catholic or Orthodox parish” does not constitute two choices that are equal or even similar in value. One Church mentioned is false and the other is true.
Therefore I also feel the need to quote from one of our Orthodox Bishops which seem very relevant to what I feel right now about Fr. Josephs last post.
So, Fr. Joseph, as a very dear Bishop in a nearby city put it (talking to a Roman Church priest who tried to defame, silence and misquote him):
“Those who truly love You have the obligation to tell You the truth of the Church, otherwise, they will be leaving You in the fallacy of Your beliefs, without any concern for Your eternal future. For this reason, I unshakeably believe that the participation of the Church in your movements in Europe and elsewhere, as well as in the so-called “Theological Dialogues”, is firstly detrimental to You and to Your faithful, because it gives You a false taste of a presumed recognition as well as cover for Your slip-ups, and it will leave You in the darkness of Your vain dogmas.”
That is to say, that we true Orthodox do NOT endorse or view the “Catholic” Church as a sister Church. So When one is suggesting to people to go to “EITHER OR” to a Roman or an Orthodox Church, we are naturally shaken.
And elsewhere this Bishop of mine said (which applies to you as well):
“You are right to feel poemantic responsibility for the present and for the future. However, You made no mention whatsoever of the mistakes of the past, acknowledging them as mistakes.
“Many of them are being continued. Could it be, that by acknowledging the errors of the past, Papal “infallibility” will be shaken? Unfortunately, we are condemned if we do not acknowledge the mistakes of the past and also if we repeat them in the future, for which You feel poemantic responsibility and sensitivity, as You mentioned.
“For all these aforementioned things, what is recommended is humility, love, and divine enlightenment – all of which are incompatible with the diabolical infallibility by which Ecclesiology and the Polity of the Indivisible Church have been subverted.”
And what “aforementioned things” is this Bishop of mine talking about? Lets see just a few of them:
“Recently, You beatified the cardinal Augustine Stepinac of Zagreb, Croatia – the moral perpetrator behind the fascist “Ustasi” hordes of Ante Pevelic (whom the Vatican helped to escape to Latin America) and the bloodbath of 800.000 Orthodox Serbs.
I did not see You protest then, nor separate Your position, even though You have been ministering to the “Church of Christ” for 33 years. If that insensitive and cold-blooded murderer is recognized as “blessed”, then the “God” who would acknowledge him as such, is – to us – entirely useless; he is unnecessary; he does not concern us. That is why I wrote the thing that embittered You, being fully aware of what I wrote; ”
And:
“Should I remind You of the 29,000 slaughtered Huguenots, on the tragic night of Saint Bartholomew? Should I remind You of the hecatombs of the so-called 100-year religious war? What should I begin to tell You? Who was it that burnt Joan of Lorraine at the stake? The Holy Inquisition – that is, the Papal Throne – burnt her as someone demon-possessed, and later on, it beatified her.
“I will repeat – slightly altering – the question posed by my blessed elder, the precedent Archbishop Seraphim: Are these the actions of a Church that acts as treasurer of Divine Revelation? ”
That’s it for the quoting part. There’s more but let me give it to you in small doses as it may be too hard for many to take in all at once…
So, I am here to remind you that consecrating with a “dirty hand” will not have the desired effect… Your Pope must repent from his multitude of responsibilities of the crimes and doctrinal errors of the past and the present before he could even attempt a consecration, and comparing the Orthodox and Roman Churches as equals is misleading to say the least. Currently there is NO Communion. Trying to make it look as if there is, is futile.
For a full read of this shocking letter of Bishop Seraphim of the city of Piraeus, Greece see:
http://www.impantokratoros.gr/2B2CE92A.en.aspx
Be warned Roman “Catholics”, this is NOT a happy read.
Stav
Dear Stav:
Steps to Reconciliation
Brother is defined as a fellow Christian
Matthew 18:15-20
15 “If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over.
16 But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that `every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’
17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. 1
8 “I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
19 “Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven.
20 For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them.”
Dear Stav,
‘AND IF’ the Orthodox Church, her theologians as well as her Bishops are WRONG about the Lord’s Own Mother being ‘The Immaculate Conception’ who the Catholics believe God Himself CREATED SINLESS in order to bear God the Father’s ONLY Eternally Begotten Son by her conceiving by GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT Himself – tell me, ‘WHO?’ in and throughout the Orthodox Church is going TO APOLOGIZE to God for rejecting what I believe God Himself has deemed?
People believe they has some ‘right’ to condemn, condemn and condemn others some more.
Don’t worry about ‘who did what to whom’ in the past. Rest assured, there is a DIVINE JUDGEMENT and it is only God Himself Who Judges perfectly.
It would be REAL GOOD for all the Patriachs and Bishops and Priests and Religious and the Laity of the Catholic churches that God the Father HIMSELF has expressed His Divine DISPLEASURE with all of Human History.
And it was Our Lady of Akita as the Immaculate Conception of God who told Sr. Anges that GOD is so terribly angry with BOTH the World and the Church that He is actually contemplaing BURNING UP our entire planet earth.
And the Mother of God WARNS that neither members of the CLERGY or the LAITY will be spared.
If the Orthodox Church wants to utterly REJECT what I believe the Mother of God had and has to say to her Son’s Church here on earth – and THAT includes ALL of her Bishops as well – as Our Lady of Fatima Portugal where GOD HIMSELF performed a Supernatural Miracle witnessed, experienced and reported by 70,000 people back in 1917 A.D. – there is very, very little I can do in the face of what I believe are such ingrained HOSTILITIES on the part of those of the Orthodox Church.
Now if I were ‘Pope’, I’d ORDER the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA over any complaints or protests by the Orthodox Church’s Patriachs and her theologians.
But since I admit that I’ve a ‘no-body’ in either ecclesiastical, political, economic, social, civil, scientific, media, academic arenas, I really DON’T EXPECT either you to consider what I’ve had to say and the reasons why I’ve said them or say them regarding what the MOTHER OF GOD herself has had to say to her Son’s Church and to our contemporary World.
The Blessed Virgin Mary is THE MOTHER of the Church.
When HER SONS in either the Catholic or Orthodox Church fully desire and LONG FOR this millenium’s worth of HOSTILITY without even so much as attempt to seriously CONSIDER what I believe THEIR SPIRITUAL MOTHER has had to say to BOTH SIDES – your Orthodox Bishop(s) can go on and on denouncing the ‘Immaculate Conception’ all they want.
I simply cannot ‘lend them an ear’ BECAUSE I believe they themselves have become an impediment in what I believe CHRIST JESUS HIMSELF wants done here on earth via His Own Church for the sake of all of Mankind and Humanity.
– Fr. Joseph
Dear Hi,
Firstly,
Can you please tell me, which Holy Trinity these proposed “fellow Christians” believe in?
Is it the one that as the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father ONLY? Or is it the one where The Holy Spirit derives from both the Father and the Son?
If the two parties believe in what essentially are Different Gods, then how do you define the term “Brother”? As you can see, the matter is not one of relations between individuals, but rather the matter of relations between Churches and doctrine. My problem is not with Fr. Joseph specifically, not do I target him as an individual, but rather the fact that he tries to equalize two Churches that have clearly different faiths as a whole.
In addition, my main real problem is with the Roman Church, which is indeed as a group in tremendous error and seems to be continuing downhill in the same manner as is has for the last 10 centuries. In fact, I expect that if the world is still here and the Roman Church is still here, it will be not even recognizable if it continues to add doctrines at the same rate it has been, up to this point.
Secondly, which Church am I supposed to tell based on the Scripture you are quoting? The one One, Holy, Indivisible Catholic and Apostolic Church which has dogmatized and proclaimed for the past twenty centuries the same unchanged Faith? Or the one that has distorted, changed, added and watered down the faith to what essentially now has become atheism?
As you can see, if one proclaims that they do not want to be in the Church anymore and form their own, then how can they be be brothers within that same Church as members of that Church, since they have removed themselves from it?
Thus, as you can see, while our fellow people can be viewed as Brothers in the more general sense and fellow humans created by the one Creator, they cannot be viewed as Brothers in the Christian Church Communion sense.
So, while I appreciate the sentiment, I cannot see the relevance of your response entirely. The matter is not about reconciliation between individuals, but between the Original, unchanged Church and it’s long time split part which calls it self the Roman “Catholic” Church.
Secondly,
Since as you imply, I have noticed my brother’s faults, or more specifically as I explained his Churches’ faults, then I must reiterate my point which is, that I cannot accept a consecration by one who is at fault and has basically changed the faith or continues to accept his predecessors’ changes (talking about the Pope here).
Nor can I see an attempt to equalize a group which is not at fault and one which is at fault as equals and of the same value.
That is my problem here, and not any one specific person. That is except maybe the Pope of the Roman Church, who is self proclaimed to be responsible and the head of this Religious Community called the Roman “Catholic” Church and thus answerable to his continuing the errors/evil practices of his predecessors.
But again, an Orthodox Christian cannot address even the Pope as a Brother in Christ, because of the differences in faith as presented above, but only as a Brother as in a fellow Human being created in the Image of God just like we are.
Thus again, the Scripture does NOT apply here, it is referring to individuals (which I am not doing here), and secondly it is referring to parties belonging under the same Original and True Christian faith.
And a little story to make my point a bit clearer. (as remembered by memory, some details may not be correct but the core meaning is the same):
Elder Paisios, whom I have mentioned earlier was a truly blessed monk. Once, a few fellow young monks went by his cell in order to test his humility. So once they found him, they asked him whether he was this monk they heard about who is proud and filled with himself.
Elder Paisios answered: Yes, that me!
Then they asked him if he was also the monk who wastes his time on worldly concerns and does not pray enough.
Elder Paisios answered: Yes, that me!
Then they asked him a third time: Are you also this monk who spreads all these heretical views and has become a heretic?
Elder Paisios answered: No definitely not!
Then he explained to them, that admitting faults even if not true, is beneficial to one’s soul and others. However admitting to heresy and saying that you are an heretic even if not true, is no good to anyone.
From that story one can see that heresy is not just a simple fault, but it is much deeper than that, because it propagates and corrupts even whatever that remains was good. It is also very serious, because it corrupts the basis of our faith and thus the context and basis it self within which we operate as Christians. One can for example use heresy to excuse themselves and others in a continual manner from other faults.
Thus heresy must be treated differently than other simple faults because it is more than just self-corrupting. It is more like a virus pandemic, which must be treated in a systemic way. It’s not just a single wound.
Stav
Dear Fr. Joseph,
I believe that before you give me any answer to my latest post, you still owe me a response on what the Pope is going to do about the DISGRACEFUL, EVIL CHARADE called the Uniate Church.
This evil practice MUST be stopped IMMEDIATELY the current Pope MUST apologize for the EVIL ERRORS of his predecessors. Yes, they were errors and they were NOT infallible. This ethical disgrace and fake DISGUISE of “Catholics” as Orthodox must STOP NOW and the Pope must admit the OBVIOUS ERRORS of his predecessors, and his OWN error of not addressing it sooner during his time as Pope.
Regardless, something tells me that it may not be in your interests to respond to any of the things I mentioned above.
You say:
“‘AND IF’ the Orthodox Church, her theologians as well as her Bishops are WRONG about the Lord’s Own Mother being ‘The Immaculate Conception’…”
So are you telling me that the Pope just shot a bullet in the dark, by introducing a completely new doctrine and then we just wait and see “IF the original Church made a mistake”?
Is that what you are telling me? Are you saying that you are not even sure about it and you are awaiting God to make it sure for you?
What kind of logic is that? Why don’t you tell your Pope to come up with just about any other new doctrine he may want to, and then simply respond to any protests by saying that “Maybe God will prove us right in the future”!!!
That kind of argument lacks basic reasoning. You cannot add validity to Pope Pius heretical addition by deferring its validity to some fantasy future possible event when God may prove it wrong or right. In fact, it has been proven to be wrong multitudes of times, to the Roman Church, but you refuse to listen to sense. And you have not explained how on earth the Church survived before this new doctrine was introduced and why it was necessary to introduce it in the first place.
Stav
Dear Fr. Joseph,
And lets take this to a more practical point of view.
I am thinking that perhaps you may want to induce some kind of guilt response from Orthodox people by trying to prove that the Roman Church has somehow invented a “better” and more “powerful” way to honor His Most Holy Mother.
If that is the case, you are mistaken. Orthodoxy is about applying Correct Faith, not the most intense faith simply for the sake of “adding power”.
Let me give you an example.
It is Good to love your children, parents etc. But is is NOT good to put them higher than God Himself. That is in fact a sin.
This is essentially what Pope Pius has done, by taking away honor from Jesus Christ, and adding it to the Mother Of God. Thus what has happened, the Roman Church has put MARY the THEOTOKOS up a “notch” and by doing that, it has reduced Jesus Christ down a “notch”.
Thus, if that is what you are thinking, i.e. show that somehow “Catholics” give more glory to MARY the THEOTOKOS, I am here to inform you that this is a futile attempt. It is not achieving this result but just the opposite as we can see how you have reduced the status of Jesus Christ in your faith and at the same time almost deified the Mother of God, which is essentially blasphemy.
As a quick added point, I will add here that the Roman Church is doing exactly the same for the Holy Spirit by adding the filioque to the Creed.
Thus, the addition on the immaculate conception which came after the fillioque, may be seen as an attempt to restore the Christological balance broken by the fillioque.
But, let me inform you that one cannot fix a mistake by adding a new mistake to the mix. This is unfortunately NOT binary logic where two FALSEs equal to a TRUE…
If that was Pope Pius’ concern, the best thing he could possibly do would be to retract the fillioque from The Creed and he would have at least restored part of what is broken in Roman Theology.
Stav
Stav:
Very good points about the health care system.
I do not agree that the Catholic recognition of Mary devalues the position of Jesus Christ– I do not understand why the Orthodox have a problem with the Immaculate Conception as a religious mystery — what’s the issue here?
THE SALUTATION OF THE ANGEL
“Hail Mary, FULL OF GRACE.”
MARY WOULD NOT BE REFERRED TO BY HEAVEN AS “FULL OF GRACE”, IF THERE WERE ANY STAIN OR REMNANT OF ORIGINAL SIN IN HER – THE TWO ARE MUTUALLY INCOMPATIBLE.
The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception starts and stops right there in Holy Scripture. There was no need to expound on it.The spiritual eye necessary to read the Holy Bible can see what to the spiritual mind is obvious.
Sister Mary Agreda, a spanish nun who converted many Indian tribes in South West USA after many bilocations from her convent in Spain, which was attested to by Catholic Missionaries and the natives themselves, belonged to a convent of the Immaculate Conception in Spain in the early part of the 17th century.
So you see the late 19th Century Pope who promulgated the dogma of the immaculate conception was simply codifying an age old belief.
I’m not sure if the Orthodox Church itself does not believe in the Immaculate Conception.
Joan of Arc was burnt at the stake by the Protestants not the Catholic Inquisition.
The Serbian holocaust was carried out by the Jewish communists who then wrote the history blaming the Catholic church, as part of the planned program to destroy their self proclaimed greatest enemy.
As for the Huegonauts…they were violent heretics and their massacre was in self defense.
Just an encouragement to all who read RZN and support Nathanael to make some real commitment monthly of some financial support.
This dear brother in Christ should not have to feel financial pressures when there are thousands of us out here…do it, and God bless all of you!
Dear Charlie,
And what about the Uniates? Is that also self defense? To masquerade as Orthodox? These examples are but a couple of “picks” from a Huge basket of relentless killings, attempts of control overtly and visibly.
To try to justify the Roman Church as you do is not going to work, there is too much blood on her hands.
Stav
Dear Fr. Joseph, Hi and all,
I found an interesting set of facts regarding blessings of the Pope. This supports the view that a “dirty hand” cannot consecrate anything…
May I add here that our own Archbishop of Greece, Christodoulos, died quickly of cancer n great pain after visiting and talking with the Pope in the context of a supposed “Christian Brotherhood”. Many Orthodox here see his illness as a direct result with his attempted relations with the Pope…
Could the text below show a massive pattern here, one that demolishes the wretched infallibility concept?
Here goes:
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” History is crowded with instances of disasters which have fallen upon individuals and nations who have sought the Pope’s favours. Space allows us to name only a few.
1851 – Pope Pius IX sent the Golden Rose to the king of the two Sicilies. In less than a year he lost his crown and kingdom.
1866 – The same Pope sent his blessings to the Austrian Kaiser. In less than a year he lost Venetia and was defeated at Sadowa.
1867 – The Pope blessed Maximilian, Emperor of Mexico. He was dethroned and shot. Then the Pope blessed the Emperor’s widow. She became a hopeless maniac, and died in exile.
1868 – The same Pope sent the Golden Rose to Queen Isabella of Spain. In a short time she lost her crown and died in exile.
1895 – The Archbishop of Damascus, at Vittoria, gave the Pope’s blessings to the Spanish troops and fleet. Spain then lost two fleets and two armies.
1897 – The Papal Nuncio blessed the grand Charity Bazaar in Paris. Within five minutes it was in flames. Nearly 150 of the aristocracy perished, including the sister of the Empress of Austria.
1906 – Victoria Eugenie (Ena), daughter of Princess Henry of Battenburg, married Alphonso X111, king of Spain. She was required to renounce her Protestant faith, which she did. Within a fortnight afterwards she narrowly escaped death at the hands of a Romish anarchist, while 13 hapless victims succumbed, and 80 others were wounded. Her wedding garments were bespattered with human blood. In 1923 the Pope sent her the Golden Rose, and in 1931 she and her husband were exiled.
‘The Spain they ruled over became a republic under the Pope’s “Christian gentleman,” General Franco.
1924 – A rich English landowner, Mr. Edwards, turned Roman Catholic. In 1926 he went to Rome, was blessed by the Pope, and died in four days.
1928 – The Pope blessed the “Italia” airship and gave it a “cross” to place on the North Pole. The airship broke in two, and half the crew were lost.
We recall the rape of Abyssinia; how the Pope praised Mussolini and his Italian army, as they went about their murderous campaign, gassing and bombing the helpless natives. God did not delay His punishment for this fiendish act. Mussolini who could not be restrained by the League of Nations, was shot dead at the side of his mistress, Petacci, in April, 1945.
Note, also, the significance of a prominent friendship with “His Holiness.” Mr. Winston Churchill called in at the Vatican, and after that he never regained his authority in Parliament.”
END OF QUOTE
Taken from:
http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=blessing
A site for which I do not subscribe to it’s views otherwise…
Stav
Dear Fr. Joseph and Hi,
Some of the lovely Brotherly Christian love executed under the “holy” guiding hand of the Pope…
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7, July 1990 8am: A group of Uniates with their Priest break the door of the home of the Orthodox Priest in the village Benzovce of the province of Michaovce and throw the furniture out on the street showing no respect for the pregnant wife of the Priest who was begging for mercy.
All was destroyed and lost. When this event was mentioned to the police, they ignored it. And while the Uniate perpetrators are known, the police purposefully ignores accusations and gives them what is essentially support to do anything they want.
In the village Lastomir of the province Michalovce the Uniates have tried 5 times to take over the church forcibly but due to resistance by the local Orthodox this has not been succeeded yet.
In the cathedral church of Michalovce, during the morning liturgy of the Orthodox, the uniates changed the lock of the door after throwing out the Priest and the congregation and locked the door. Now, in this church Uniates do the services and the Orthodox bishop John does not have a church to do the services in.
In the village Svermovo Orthodox father Bilorusky with his Orthodox congregation had to perform the liturgy outside of the church because the Uniates locked the door of the church.
In the village Cejkov Uniates blocked the congregation inside the church by standing in from of the door and provoking the Orthodox. In the conflict that followed they punched a pious woman in the face.
In the town of Bardejon Uniates thew the holy chalice and other things out on the street.
In the town of Stropkov during the celebration of the feast of Cyril and Methodius and the Ascention of our Saviour, the Orthodox performed the Vespers in the church that they were forced to share with the Uniates and then withdrew to their houses.
After when it was time for the Uniates to do their own service, they locked the door of the church and during the night, whatever holy items belonging to the Orthodox were in the church at the time, they threw out on the street destroying the screen of the church and breaking it in peaces with an axe in order to get it out of the door, the great crystal chandelier and the holy icons which they did not even respect.
In the morning, the Orthodox going to church for the morning service, in shock faced all their holy items on the ground and broken outside of the church and the Uniates surrounding the church building and blocking access to any Orthodox.
For 3 nights and days they had guards so that the Orthodox could not even access the small chapel which was near the main Church. So the next Sunday, the Orthodox performed the liturgy out in a field next to large cross that they had put up next to the church some time before all of this happened.
On 11th January 1992 the Uniates with the local Catholics started destroying the house of the local Orthodox priest where there was also a small chapel in a room.
First, they broke down the roof and then they cut off electricity and telephone. The priest had to flee his home where all services took place because the main church building was taken over forcibly by the Uniates earlier.
The Uniates now in this town, chase away the Orthodox Christians from any place where they can worship and they then get denied the permit to build new churches. Now they do the services in a small wooden shed but they are constantly afraid that the Uniates will burn it down.
In the town of Medzilaborce on 23rd of October 1991 the following happened:
The Uniates with their lawyer forcibly entered the Orthodox Church building, and started throwing out the icons. They were helped by 80 policemen. The Uniate priest was there him self throwing out the orthodox icons out of the Church.
In the village of Keckovce things were more peaceful as the whole village was Orthodox. The uΟι ουνίτες όμως έδωσαν πολλά λεφτά στον Ορθόδοξο ιερέα, ο οποnites bribed the local Orthodox priest and he became a Uniate. Then the problems started because some of the people became Uniates. One morning a new Orthodox priest arrived to the village, so that he could perform the liturgy. But the Uniates blocked his entrance.
Another time, with the help of the choir they managed to get inside the church and started doing the liturgy with the presence of only a view pious women. When the Uniates realized this was happening, having a dog with them and equipped with locks and chains, went to lock the door duriεφοδιασμένοι με λουκέτα και αλυσίδες πήγανε κατά τη διάρκεια τg the service.
The Orthodox priest asked them what they wanted, but they called him schismatic and attacked him in order to throw him out of the church. But because many more members of the congregation had arrived, this was prevented and the liturgy service was completed. In order for the Orthodox priest to leave in a safe manner, the Orthodox had to surround the priest and the choir singers in a ring and slowly help them flee the area in order to guarantee their safety.
In that particular example, the disgusting irreverence was very characteristic as the people who entered the church came so with their dog, and with cigarettes in their mouth.
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Taken and translated from:
http://www.oodegr.com/oode/papismos/ounia/agriotites1.htm
Stav
Dear Hi and all,
Firstly I apologize for the Greek leftover from my in place translation, please ignore it.
About the heresy of the “immaculate conception”.
Be aware that one cannot take lightly any such doctrines without knowing Christianity in its essence and lightly accepting it as something good because it “sounds” good leads to further heresies.
As it was put by the Bishop I mentioned earlier:
“If this cacodoxy on the “immaculate conception” of the Ever-virgin Theotokos was true, can You inform us how She transmitted human mortality to the incarnated perfect Person, the exempt of sin and perfect God-Son of Hers? Have You ever stopped to consider that if this fallacy of Yours were indeed true, then the death of the Son of God would have to be an “assumed” one, since mortality would not have been transmitted into His human nature? Can You perceive just how tragic Your beliefs are?”
This quote above, explains that by defining the conception as immaculate, indeed brings further problems to the theology. Namely it does not explain HOW Jesus was born MORTAL. If he was not mortal then was his resurrection a fake one? Of course not. Thus he WAS born mortal and this is because the conception was NOT immaculate.
You need to look in to a multitude of correct teachings before you can really see the wickedness of the Catholic doctrinal errors. And this immaculate conception heresy is not the only one, there are a multitude of others that intermingle to create a twisted version of Christianity…
Stav
To Admin
Please beware of a Judaizer named Gayil.
He is promoting all those “Messianic” Jewish links that tried to discredit both Christianity and St. Paul.
His INSIDIOUS comments and links can be seen at the Article G-20 & Jewish Bankers Planning One World Government
Stav,
Explain to your Orthodox Bishops that on account of ORIGINAL SIN, all men and women DIE. Most of them get BURIED. And ALL OF THEM wind up rotting in the grave.
And in order TO RESTORE His Own Creation, God will RESURRECT all of the dead from their graves.
Christ Jesus, Who is Sinless by Divine Nature IS NOT ‘ROTTING’ in some grave or tomb.
His Mother, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Immaculate Conception, is Sinless by Divine Grace and IS NOT ‘ROTTING’ in some grave or tomb.
Go advise advise your Bishops on the ORTHODOXY of 1) the effects of ORIGINAL SIN on Human Beings BORN into Sin and 2) the Resurrection of the Dead on the Last Day.
IF THE MOTHER OF GOD HAS ‘SIN’ and is ‘SINFUL’ on account of ORIGINAL SIN, your Orthodox Bishops and your Orthodox theologians HAD BETTER get on the ball and go find the Mother of God’s GRAVE!
And if they CANNOT find either Christ Jesus’ BODY rotting away in His Tomb and if they CANNOT find the Mother of God’s BODY rotting away in her tomb – then tell them all TO STOP ‘blowing smoke at an over everyone’ in order to promote and prolong their HOSTILITIES.
– Fr. Joseph
Stav,
Our of CHRISTIAN CHARITY to all of your Orthodox Bishops and Orthodox theologians the entire world over – there in GREECE, in SERBIA, in RUSSIA, in SYRIA – make it YOUR personal duty NOW to inform ALL OF THEM of the following Information from the Supreme Head of His Own Church:
“Sister Lucy was in Rianjo, Spain in 1931 praying for the conversion of Europe, Portugal, Spain, of Russia and the World, and OUR LORD spoke to her as she was praying. He said,
‘You console Me a great deal by asking Me for the conversion of those poor nations. Ask it also of MY MOTHER, frequently saying, Sweet Heart of Mary, be the salvation of Russia, Spain, Portugal, Europe and the whole World.’
“HE dictated another prayer as the same time.
‘BY YOUR PURE AND IMMACULATE CONCEPTION O MARY, OBTAIN FOR ME THE CONVERSION OF RUSSIA, SPAIN, PORTUGAL, EUROPE AND THE WHOLE WORLD.’
“After He dictated those two prayers, OUR LORD then gave one of the MOST TERRIFYING prophecies AND REBUKES that He has ever given in our time. He said:
‘MAKE IT KNOW TO MY MINISTERS THAT GIVEN THEY FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE OF THE KING OF FRANCE IN DELAYING THE EXECUTION OF MY COMMAND, THAT THEY WILL FOLLOW HIM INTO MISFORTUNE. IT WILL NEVER BE TOO LATE TO HAVE RECOURSE TO JESUS AND MARY.’
Give the following copy to that particular Orthodox Bishop who REFUSES to submit to the Will of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ:
http://www.fatimapriest.com/work05.html
Give that particular Orthodox Bishop who REFUSES to submit to the Will of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ the prophecy of St. Nilus wherein we ALL can freely and openly read and digest for our very own selves:
“There will no respect for parents and elders, love will disappear, and CHRISTIAN pastors, BISHOPS and PRIESTS will become vain men, COMPLETELY FAILING to distinguish the right-hand way from the left.”
http://www.fisheaters.com/nilus.html
Advise that particular Orthodox Bishop who REFUSES to submit to the Will of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ of the following Message:
“At Fatima, Our Lady declared: ‘ONLY I CAN HELP YOU.’ – from
http://www.fatima.org/essentials/whatucando/crisis.asp
And finally, please advise that particular Orthodox Bishop who REFUSES to submit to the Will of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ what THE LORD HIMSELF had and has to say:
“You have CLOSED your ears. You have CLOSED your hearts to Me.
“When you have PUSHED MY MOTHER ASIDE, I tell you, you have PUSHED ME ASIDE too. My Mother stands with Me.
“When you PUSH GOD ASIDE, then you shall suffer the consequences.” – February 6, 1994
http://www.ourlovingmother.org/Messages_Monthly_1994_OurLovingMother.aspx
THE CHURCH just so happens to be in the ‘Divine Business’ of SAVING SOULS for all of eternity – and NOT to wage millenuim’s worth of DOCTRINAL disputes and Ecclesiastical TURF WARS on and over the Contintents of our Planet Earth!
– Fr. Joseph
Dear Fr. Joseph,
No answer yet on the Uniate Evil Charade supported by the Pope? That’s OK, I’ll wait.
You say:
“Explain to your Orthodox Bishops that on account of ORIGINAL SIN, all men and women DIE. Most of them get BURIED. And ALL OF THEM wind up rotting in the grave.”
A lot of talk, but I see no arguments to support your multitudes of heresies. Nor the obsessive compulsion of the Romans to keep changing the Christian faith over the years.
Then, you say:
“…make it YOUR personal duty NOW to inform ALL OF THEM …”
I will do NO SUCH THING, it is not permitted for us Orthodox to spread any such demonic messages amongst people as it has been proven to be detrimental to our souls… I guess you did not notice my previous messages proving to you that these apparitions are in fact demonic messages, i.e. “devils appearing as angels”. Don’t worry one day you will understand that. I just SINCERELY hope it is not too late.
And you still have not explained how a murder and disgraceful behavior supporting person (the Pope) can consecrate anything at all, let alone a whole country.
Also, as pointed out, you still continue to use faulty logic in your methods. Since I do not accept the Pope’s ability to consecrate anything at all, why are you telling me to spread the message of a supposed Papal consecration? Why would I do that? You’d first have to convince me first and any other Orthodox, that the Pope is actually capable of consecrating in general…
Stav
Doesn’t religion work so wonderfully when it splits people apart.
It is not the laborious pedantic technicalities that help one in their life, nor the many rules and regulations, laws and creed affiliations.
Its the simple understanding between what’s right and wrong.
You “Christians” shatter the meaning of the almighty when you take it as your own in different ways. This is not meant in any disrespect to Christ but on the contrary, the church is just the building, the book is just the book it all means nothing when its essence is not taken into heart.
Intellectuals can argue till their blue in the face over matters a child can answer in a giggle.
Be joyous, Not mathematicians.
Stav,
You mentioned some interesting situations where death or some other terrible event followed a Papal blessing.
The Orthodox Church has denied a key dogma of the Roman Catholic Faith since 1054. Nearly 400 years later, on Pentecost Tuesday (May 29, 1453), Constantinople fell to the Ottoman Turks, thus ending the Byzantine Roman Empire.
The chief See of the Orthodox Church fell to the Ottoman Empire during the Octave of the feast of the Holy Ghost! Interesting coincidence? Or an act of God?
Let’s get back on topic here too! I thought this was supposed to be against Obamacare, and the Juliet Echo Whiskey Sams that will run it?
Mary the Mother of Jesus was “full of grace”.
“And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.” – Luke 1:28, DRB (Douay-Rheims Bible)
The KJV rendition of this verse is :
“And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.”
Go to the website
http://bible.cc/
Do a search for “full of grace”, and you will see many listings throughout the Bible that make reference to this Godly quality.
Mary was “full of grace” and consequently was “highly favoured” of God.
“For by grace are ye saved through faith” – Ephesians 2:8, KJV
“since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God” – Romans 5:1, NIV
“For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.” – Romans 10:10, NIV
Mary’s faith was pure and unadulterated. She had lived a clean life, in thought, word, and deed. She loved God with her whole heart, and obeyed the commandments and ordinances of God without reservation.
Mary was blessed with the direct teachings, knowledge, and faith of the Torah, as Zacharias, her uncle, was a priest at the Temple, and Elisabeth, Zacharias’ Godly and devout wife, was Mary’s aunt. Further, Mary’s desires towards her betrothed husband, Joseph, were also pure, as were his towards Mary.
Mary’s faith was also revealed through her words (Luke 1:46-55), that in response to Elisabeth’s pronounced blessings upon Mary (vs 42-45), Mary erupted in a praise and worship of God that just flowed from her heart through her mouth.
“Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished” – Luke 1:45
Mary believed with her whole heart, and confessed that belief through praise and worship unto God.
Contrary to the teaching that Mary was born through “Immaculate Conception”, she was in fact born in “original sin” – “for all have sinned” – Romans 3:23. BUT through the pureness of her belief and faith within her heart, and the enactment of her belief and faith through her words and works, she fulfilled the Scripture (as was later written) :
“And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.” – Romans 8:30, NIV
Mary was “predestined” and “called” by God. But only Mary herself, as an act of her own “free will”, could answer God’s “call” in the affirmative through her combined faith, words, and works.
By her doing so, God could then “justify” her as being free from the effects of “original sin” (“It is God who justifies” – Romans 8:33), thereby sanctifying her in becoming the one and only “fit vessel” (even purifying her DNA) suitable for the work of the Holy Spirit (vs 35), and through that, could glorify her through the conception of the Only Begotten Son of God within her womb.
In understanding the above paragraph, Mary’s “body” had become the “fit vessel” for the work that God needed to do in order to bring forth His Son into our world. At the precise moment when “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you” (vs 34) was nigh, Mary’s “first egg” of her “first ovulation” became her “first fruits” unto God, to be enjoined together with the “first fruits of the Spirit” (Luke 1:35 & Romans 8:23), thereby bringing forth the “conception” (“power of the Most High will overshadow you”) of the Only Begotten Son of God – “first-born among many” (Romans 8:29).
Had Mary already entered her first menstruation, she could not have become the “fit vessel” – for her blood would have already been spilled! The fact of “the conception” taking place prior to her first menstruation means that the blood that would have been spilled was reserved unto her Son, whose blood would be spilled for the sake of ALL, but for the benefit of only those who would willingly receive.
So the blood that was shed from Jesus during His crucifixion was not only His own pure sin-free blood, but also that from the womb of His earthly mother passed on to her Son.
From the womb of His mother to the spilling of His blood and death, from the womb of His tomb to the rising unto His new resurrected Life … from Life Eternal unto Life Eternal … the Alpha and the Omega.
When Mary began to show her pregnancy, word spread quickly. She was betrothed unto Joseph, but who denied any wrongdoing of himself and of his bride-to-be. Regardless, rumors abounded anyway, that maybe Mary consorted with a “lover on the side”, or maybe even a “demon of the night”, to give birth to a “bastard child” – as Jesus was regarded by some, even after Joseph had lawfully taken Mary to be his wife, thereby placing his name, lineage, and heritage upon his Son, which should have freed the Son from any such rumor-mongering and social-stigma.
But Satan is very expert in turning that which is Holy into that which is debased, to where even the very “Elect of God” have a difficult time determining the truth of such matters. But there were some who did discern the truth of the Son of God / Son of Man early on, and praised God greatly, for the long promised fulfillment of God’s Word.
And certainly Mary, in the purity of her belief and faith and practice, was the first to “receive Jesus” into her heart (thereby becoming the first of mortals to become “born again“), and then into her womb, and then all that transpired thereafter. While within the womb, as her blood became His blood, and her life became His life – as “life is in the blood” – in return, His Life transformed her life, and His blood purified her blood, and His immortality began the process of swallowing her mortality.
Upon this basis, as Jesus was resurrected from the dead unto Life, so too Mary, upon her mortal transpiration, did not taste of death but was immediately “translated” into her new body to be with her Son forevermore.
“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” – John 1:14
A Man of Peace, I think the two combatants actually like each other, no harm.
btw , Stav, the Pope was giving the final blessing to those people who died. He knew they were gonna cark it.
The Holy spirit within him is infallible.
I did a quick search on the Unitiates several months ago and found at the first link abuse and attacks from Orthodox towards Catholics, not the other way round, as you assert. I gave up after that.
My understanding , if this is correct, was that these people consist of Catholics AND Orthodox trying to unite , not simply Catholics trying to look like Orthodox as you assert.
Your assertion that Jesus died therefore somehow his Mother, not him mind, was a sinner, opens new ground in theological debate. You could use the same argument, ridiculous as it is mind, to say, it was the fault of Mary’s parents that they both died and that Mary was conceived without originl sin.
Hi Brother Nathanael,
It was announed today on the mainstream news that Health Canada had sent body bags to an Indian Reserve in northern Manitoba just in case there is a Pandemic as a result of swine flu…how insulting.
From what I understand body bags were left at a front door of an office building at the Reserve with no explanation.
The gentlemen that found the body bags had them returned marked ‘Return to Sender’ which of course would be Health Canada.
In a media interview, the Minister of Health for that region seemed unconcerned and said there was nothing she could do. No doubt she is a Native that supports Zionism or otherwise she wouldn’t have her job. She too is a Native.
The Zionists have a selection program established and will decide who will contract the flu. It will be interesting to see what happens in the near future.
Obama and Harper must turn on the propaganda machine to convince people that they need the flu vaccine. Another Zionist con.
Today, Harper was in the USA visiting Obama to discuss their top secret Zionist controlled agenda.
God Bless You.
Joanne
“Although the conception happened according to the ordinary course of nature, yet the Most high freed it from imperfections and disorders, permitting only what was strictly required according to nature……..
“God limited the natural activity in the two parents and by his grace prevented any fault or imperfection substituting for them virtue and merit, and entire propriety in the manner of conception, which although natural and according to the common order, was nevertheless directed, supplemented and perfected by the action of Divine grace [not possible? neither was the Incarnation of Christ without Divine intervention, deh!] without disturbing the proper effect due to the law of nature.
…….
the miracle of the conception of Mary most holy in her mother Anne. The parents
were so entirely governed by grace and withdrawn from concupiscence and delectation, that the accidental imperfections, which ordinarily are the material or instruments of conception, and which induce original sin, were altogether wanting. Thus was furnished a material excempt from imperfections and furnished in such a manner that the act itself was meritorious.
Hence in so far as this act was concerned it coud easily be free from sin or imperfection,, even if divine providence had not previously arrnged every particulary of this event. This Miracle the Almighty reserved soley for her, who was to be a Mother worthy of Himself.
For if it was proper that the material part of his being should have its origin according to the order maintained in the conception of the other children of Adam, it was likewise eminently proper that, without destroying nature, grace should concur in it with all its efficacy and power, and that it should excel in her and act in her more efficaciously than in all the children of Adam; yea be greater than even Adam and Eve, who gave origin to the corruption of nature and to its disorderly concuspicence.”
from “The Mystical City of God”
Vol 1.(610 pages) “The Conception.” (p174, 176)
Sr Mary of Agreda (17th century Catholic mystic).
Hi all,
To a Man of peace:
You said:
“It is not the laborious pedantic technicalities that help one in their life, nor the many rules and regulations, laws and creed affiliations. ”
Proper belief and definition of ones belief is important stuff, it is not just “technicalities”. It may seem so because of the apparent complexity involved. However it is important.
Just like the matter of health. One cannot say: “ah, all these vaccines, I don’t care about the technical stuff and whats in it, just give it to me!” If you do this, you will surely suffer.
The same goes with religion. You need to become responsible and find out about the technical things and how we came to be as we are today, so that you can have the MOST BENEFIT from your faith. If you leave it all light and soft, the wind will take you wherever it wants.
As I have told you before (I believe I did anyway) leaving ones belief free without creed or dogma, can lead to disastrous effects, even to the point of becoming an atheist or satanist which are really the same thing.
Stav
To Mike:
You said:
“The chief See of the Orthodox Church fell to the Ottoman Empire during the Octave of the feast of the Holy Ghost! Interesting coincidence? Or an act of God?”
Perhaps, but it is generally true that at the time corruption had reached great heights at the time in the State. So yes, perhaps that was a punishment by God as the defenders of Constantinople understood at the time.
HOWEVER AND THIS IS IMPORTANT, the Orthodox Church did NOT fall at that time, it was continued by the rest of the Churches and even in Greece even though it was heavily oppressed.
Also and just as important, there is one difference between the Orthodox and the Roman Church and that is that Orthodoxy stayed true to the original teachings where the Romans disfigured it beyond recognition.
Stav
To charlie:
You said:
“Stav, the Pope was giving the final blessing to those people who died. He knew they were gonna cark it.
The Holy spirit within him is infallible.”
What I cannot stand, is people who appear to be simple commentators in the beginning, but in the end they are finally brought out to be something different all together. By your assertion about the infallibility of the Pope you are finally and clearly defining your self as what you are which is a member of the Religious community called the Roman “Catholic” Church.
I will remember that next time you comment by trying to appear objective and calm about things. But I also remember that when you first commented back to me, which is always welcome, you were trying to appear as an impartial commentator. I do NOT appreciate that.
You also say:
“I did a quick search on the Uniates several months ago and found at the first link abuse and attacks from Orthodox towards Catholics, not the other way round, as you assert. I gave up after that.”
Riiight, you did a quick research. I have talked to first hand experiencers of the plague that is the Uniates. Their scorn and evil attacks continue even today with Churches burned, people killed, persecuted and drawn out of their home countries.
But let me ask you one question, regardless of the above, are you saying that because some Orthodox may have been hostile against “Catholics” and the opposite may have been true, that also means that there is no such thing as the Uniates? Or that it is not worth investigating? That’s not right!
Are you saying that the Catholic Church DOES NOT HAVE A SECT CALLED THE UNIATE CHURCH WHICH DISGUISES AS ORTHODOX BUT ARE REALLY ROMAN “CATHOLICS”?
Do you really think that what Uniates do is correct and acceptable behavior by a follower of Christ? And more to that fact, how can you possibly be so absurd and illogical so that in front of this MASSIVE injustice perpetrated by the Pope, you still think he is infallible?
The Pope is NOT infallible, realize that this is a SATANIC heresy which is filling you with evil pride and blind obedience to the Pope. The proof is there for anyone to see I shall not list it here again.
Sorry? Did you say that you would like a bit more proof? OK I’ll give you just one of the endless bucket of wrongs the “infallible” Popes produced:
In 1252, Pope Innocent IV decreed, that all heretics should be treated just like the traitors of the Papal and Latin Frank states of the time. That decree, made it clear that all the well known procedures of the time, including torture were fine, as long as the person being tortured was a heretic…
What? WHAT? How can any Christian person make torture legal in this way? And how can any person in their right mind and a clean conscience view this as an infallible decree? I am personally still speechless every time I even think about this. And what about the painful Inquisitions plague that this decree produced which went on for years to make both righteous and sinners suffer beyond belief?
And what about all the unbelievable torture methods used? They are so outlandishly creative in the most negative sense, that I cannot even mention them here. How did the Pope let this happen?
Is this Christly behaviour? Would Jesus Christ our most loving Brother, Father and Friend approve of this? Did Jesus Christ torture the most heretical Jewish Priests Who followed satanic human traditions at the time? Jesus Christ told them, and raised His voice to them probably, but he did this in Love. Torture, is completely out of place in the context of Jesus Christ, except when it come to the torture He Received by us Humans…
Do you still think that that particular Pope was Christly? I hope not, because if you do, you are blaspheming God.
Jesus Christ Himself said that you can judge a tree by its fruit.
Just look as the immense horror this one single senseless decree produced, and you still think this man was infallible? What on earth? I am speechless.
And let me add my own logical proof, based on the above that that Pope was fallible in his decree. If torture was to be used on heretics only to find if they were heretics, then WHY use torture at all? Does that not look like a futile, illogical circular argument? You bet. And thus, the Pope was in error.
Members of the Roman Church, I hope all of this puts the seed of doubt in your minds and that it grows into a tree of investigations and love for the truth. Only then you will see what kind of an abomination this Roman Religious Community has become. The quicker you come back to the one, original, true and apostolic faith the better for all of us.
And do not trust the spirits, appearing to people as Jesus, Mary, Angels giving commandments to do this or that. You have to TEST the spirits first. Otherwise you must ignore them as either unknown and yet to be revealed further or satanic/demonic apparitions. It DOES NOT MATTER what the spirits say, if they have not been tested, then they are NOT approved.
Stav
No worries Charlie,
Is there really this belief in original sin? why would a God burden a child with the faults of its parents?
Anyone that believes this notion from a deranged Augustine of Hippo is truly lost.
A child is born innocent in Christ, not the fragile vessel of past sins.
We grow like the plants in the ground, eternally changing and learning. To dump the ills of the parents on a child is the idea of a Madman.
We inherit certain traits-not all, however we make our own choices in adult life.
Like a plant.
A shadow will hang over those that have wronged in their own lifetime, not a collector of others deeds but your own. That shadow is the darkness that will follow you if you turn your back to the light. It will consume you, build bars around your soul, it is the Almighty’s gift of a CONSCIENCE and the condemner of this grace and innocence is oneself through their actions… When wronging others for selfish gain.
The light is an eternal love no being is without, its always there but some forget. There is no shame, or pain just an eternal love.
God bless all.
Luke 17: 20-21
“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kindom of God should come, he answered them and said; The kingdom of God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”
I think this is the most important part of the entire Bible. We need to look inside ourselves because God is there. We have forgotten, but He is with us always. We do not need to look outside of ourselves to find God—He tells us that He is IN us–and as such–we have the power to do such great things.
We need to get in touch with the God inside us–channel that energy and light–and change this world back to a place where we can live peacefully.
To stav
Agreed, however there is much tug of war and chinese whispers.
Truth is the foundation for any religion, it is the roots an entire idea is founded upon.
One need not be so flippant in such serious matters as ones health but i feel many get caught up in petty differences concerning beliefs, sometimes missing the entire picture.
Can anyone here answer why Christ spoke in parables?
a Man of peace,
It may be hard to understand, but to be born with Original Sin, is a great blessing for us. Because it was God’s plan to offer us His love in Person with His Son Jesus Christ. Thus, the devil’s work is rendered powerless, and whatever he (the devil) does he still has to conform to God’s plan, which is to give us in complete freedom to opportunity to love Him and be One with Him.
Thus, if you denounce the Original Sin, you are denouncing God’s plan. Original Sin is the catalyst or enabler by which we can now gain the winners’ reward in the Stadium of life. And this is the product of our God given freedom and gift to (if desired so by each individually) seek God, even if we are born already with an initial sin.
But this is not the place for theological debate. You must be careful of your “freestyle” Christianity as it may lead you to unexpected and non desirable places…
Your style of determinations have been addressed by the one true Church long before you or I were born. It is not a new, simpler and obvious way to look at things as you may imagine it is.
Stav
Hi a Man of peace,
I though this last on was going to be my last post for today… Anyway here goes another one.
OK I hear you.
But then you say:
“Truth is the foundation for any religion, it is the roots an entire idea is founded upon. ”
That’s exactly the kind of thing that I don’t agree with. Look at it logically.
For example (and this is just for example purposes) the Orthodox say The Holy Spirit is begotten ONLY from the Father. The Romans say AND from the Son.
Now, if your statement above, was true, then both of what we Orthodox believe and what the Romans believe should be true. But it is not, because they are opposites. One is exclusive and other inclusive.
So where are we left with that then? We are left to conclude that not all religions are based on truth, by definition, because many religions have direct and serious contradictions.
Thus, one must take a closer look and cannot accept any religion as based on truth and thus true. That is both impossible and at the same time dangerous in many ways. And that is why we must analyze and look into things further in order to stay on the path of truth.
Stav
Stav – the blessing comes from God, not the priest. I said the Holy Spirit within him was infallible, not the Pope. The same Spirit of God in all men (who have not driven him out through mortal sin) is infallible. That does not make people infallible.
This is how we are redeemed – through the infallible action of the Holy Spirit on our souls. The gift of Christ, from whom all good things come. This action involves the indivisible Unity (“if you have seen Me, you have seen the Father, for the Father and I are one.”) of the Trinity so lets not now argue about the “filioque”?
A Man of Peace, I see where you are coming from but christians do not believe that God burdens the child with the sins of the parents …. the parents do, and this is a consequence of free will, and God does not interfere with free will.
This child too is in possession of free will and is not judged on anything but that. God ordained Baptism, to free the child from the effects of original sin on that child, removing all the sins of its parents and ancestors by this Holy Sacrament and inducting it into the holy family of Christ, which is the christian church – and fellowship with Himself – yes this is entirely possible for those that believe.
Hi stav,
Original sin was perpetuated by Augustine of Hippo NOT a teaching of Christ’s.
Concerning truth, its subjective. Some believe in some truths others believe in contraries HOWEVER there are some TRUTHS not bound by doctrine bias.
The sky is blue? the grass is green? a world has dichotomy, Good/bad, Light/dark, Up/down…
There is an OBJECTIVE that we all meet on the same wave as TRUTH.
Religion throughout the years has been a tool of politics, the entire Roman empire that swept a world for instance… was it in the name of Christ? wars and battles.. the purging and inquisitions? the fruits fell FAR from the tree.. as it is today with Zionist Christians.
Morality is something we are born with, a child knows right from wrong at a young age.. it churns in the belly. Thou shalt not do this that and the other are pretty obvious to any sane individual.
Im not a follower of any particular religion, Im a person that respects the teachings of Christ, and I respect others that are filled with a positive loving way of life. Anything that strikes the chords of Harmony amongst us all.
I see God in many good men and women. WE ARE NOT SLAVES OF ARCHAIC DOCTRINE BUT FREE AS LIFE ETERNAL.
In the spirit of the Almighty and never forget it.
Let them build their bars nothing can contain us, JUST LIKE WATER.
I hear what you are saying charlie,
What you have written in the latter could be a positive purging of past burdens. My point is the concept originated with a man not God, not the fall of man but the idea of original sin from parents to child.
It is possible that baptism has a cathartic release of bad baggage put upon the shoulders of the young. This is not so crude a notion… my concern is an unhealthy attitude in the parents towards a child regarding sin. A young mind can become disturbed by such responsibility so young… the very idea has already laid a negative track.
Children are innocent and are very close to God… Could the Fall of man really be an allegory from Child to adult?
As poetically put forward in William Blake’s Songs of innocence and Experience.
We will see just how good our current insurance is because last Wednesday I had to have a hysterectomy, but I am doing fine now.
I had fibroid cysts that the doctor said looked like a football. I hope it pays for a lot of the big bills.
Dear Man of Peace,
‘The fall of man’ and ‘the idea of original sin from parent to child’ means essentially the same thing.
Its genetic.
Genes are little understood by scientists, despite claims to the contary. There are millions if not billions or trilions of them and they are affected by everything that happens to us or that we do to the world, others and ourselves. They store ones life experience. They are also passed on to offspring.
Hence the supernatural gift of Baptism, which confers on the recipient the forgiveness of ALL sin and remission of the EFFECTS of ALL sin, up to that point, through the merits of the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
“I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.”
Baptism certainly does not originate with man but with Christ. The gospels are replete with Christs command that ‘you must be baptized with water and the spirit’. It is the essential first step to become a Christian.
Unlike the other “sacraments” baptism can be conferred by anyone who are themselves baptized and in a state of grace.
The first sin itself was a form of illegitimate pre maritial sex and hence action itself of creating offspring was tainted, as described by sister mary of Agreda in the above quote I posted.
A whistle-blower from the military has leaked our governments plan to forcefully vaccinate everyone with the swine flu vaccine. She said RFID bracelets are going to be forced on us and the state troopers are planning road blocks.
http://www.pandemicfluonline.com/?p=1140
Here is a video that explains the state of Oklahoma passed a law that every citizen must be vaccinated and that hospitals are receiving trucks full of RFID bracelets that will be stuck into your wrist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB7OwPk5Z78&feature=player_embedded
Please spread this video to everyone you know. God help us.
Here is another link concerning this swine flu situation. It is a flyer that explains all the controversies surrounding this affair.
http://www.pandemicfluonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/EducateYourself_Flyer_Proof_16.pdf
What will you people do if road blocks are set up? Could this Swine Flu RFID bracelet be the mark of the beast?
I just finished reading the above link provided by “Fellow Citizens” @ pandemicfluonline. In the first of two video clips embedded within the article is mention of the Phoenix Jr. device (at the very end of the video), as a “tracking” device.
The name “Phoenix” is by no means a coincidence, as this name ties in directly to the “mystery of iniquity” and the “personage” behind it. Specifically, the personage of Lucifer, as recorded in Ezekiel 28:11-19.
The specific verse of interest is :
“So I made a fire come out from you, and it consumed you, and I reduced you to ashes on the ground in the sight of all who were watching.” – vs 18
The story of the Phoenix is of the “phoenix bird” being consumed by fire (vs 18 above), but then arising anew out if its own ashes – bringing forth its own version of being “born again” – in DEFIANCE of Godly decree and action taken!!!
The Phoenix was the original national bird of the United States, but later changed to an eagle.
The United States has become a modern-era “Babylon” and “beast-kingdom”, and will enforce mandatory vaccinations upon all Citizens and non-citizens alike, so as to enforce “the mark”, or at least a fore-runner to it, so as to unite the world (all who take the vaccination) into ONE, so as to effect the re-assemblage and arising of “the Phoenix” (ie, Lucifer) as “the god of this world”.
DO NOT TAKE THE SWINE FLU SHOT!!!
“President Barack Obama needs some outside help pushing health care reform, and he’s turning to rabbis to get it. In a morning conference call with about 1000 rabbis from across the nation, ”
http://washingtonjewishweek.com/main.asp?SectionID=57&SubSectionID=76&ArticleID=11291
Wanted to contact you privately. Do you have a contact page?
Very interesting, Hoff. Our Great and Fearless Dictator needs the help of the rabbis to push Obamacare! God help us!
….And who will be the bureaucrats who will decide if we live or die? Jews, Anti-Christian Jews, that’s who. (Rahm Emanuel’s brother, Ezekiel Emanuel, who is Obama’s health care czar and author of Obama’s Health Care Plan, will be one of them.)
Yes, again and again rotten perfidious united Jewry has been ‘RELEASED’ to avenge their sick souls desire to ‘get back at those that stole their religion near 2000 years ago’; recall that they are released, and this is done and has been done by the world forces that worship LUCIFER as their GOD to ‘get even’ with us gentiles.
All too often those interested in this subject draw a partial truth conclusion and promote it directly skewing the size of the beast ; and all those, including the ‘JEWS’, Masons, Indifferentists, Rationalists, etc are all guilty of this growth of the BEAST.
Please keep this in mind so we won’t be pidgeon-holed and put off target.
Here is an interesting article buy an ex-policemen explaining how our local cops are controlled by Federal agents who are attempting to create a police state.
Brother Kanpner, please write an article on how the Jews are trying to force us to take a toxic swine flu vaccine.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Evensen/greg142.htm
Hi all,
Something tells me that Obamacare and the vaccinations have something to do with each other, perhaps using the first to force the second.
Anybody looked in to the bill to see if there are any mandatory or otherwise forced medical treating power enabling in it?
Stav
Stav,
Good to hear from you again !
Your words are crystal clear, and ring with sweet logical truth !
~~~ ~~~ ~~~
Fr. Joseph,
You said above that God Himself dictated the following prayer :
‘BY YOUR PURE AND IMMACULATE CONCEPTION O MARY, OBTAIN FOR ME THE CONVERSION OF RUSSIA, SPAIN, PORTUGAL, EUROPE AND THE WHOLE WORLD.’
According to you, what did He mean by – ‘conversion’ ?
Conversion from WHAT to WHAT ?
And you also said, “At Fatima, Our Lady declared: ‘ONLY I CAN HELP YOU.’”…
That’s not what the Scriptures say ! Don’t you see the substitution here ?
The TRUTH is only Christ can help us !
As long as I am wearing my ‘miraculous medal’ – I am NOT wearing my CROSS !
This age is passing away, and Jesus Christ is the door !
By focusing so heavily on Mary – as a CONSEQUENCE – you are focusing LESS on Christ, Who is our Redeemer.
~~~ ~~~ ~~~
To ‘Buy Spy Clock’,
Brother Nathanael may be reached at his E-mail address, which is :
bronathanael@yahoo.com
Prodigal Son,
Revelation 12:17 – Genesis 3:15
“THE LORD upholds the rights of a mother over her children.” – Ecclesiasticus 3:2
1884 – Satan challenges Christ to DESTROY His Catholic Church as overheard by the Pope
http://www.geocities.com/stmichaelsangels/
1910 – Prelude to what WILL HAPPEN to Russia – the same that happened to Portugal
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/portugal.html
1917, October – Miracles of the Sun performed by whom Catholics believe was CHRIST on behalf of HIS MOTHER as Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal
1917 – Bolshevik Revolution makes ‘mince meat’ out of the Russian Orthodox Church
1947 – USA – U.S. Supreme Court Judicial Fiat makes a once nominally ‘christian’ US Nation into an ‘official’ secular nation via Everson v. Board of Education
“Only I can help you!” – Our Lady of Fatima
“I will make enminty between the two of you
YOUR offspring (Satan) and HER offspring”
There you go – you have the information – Stav REJECTS it – so do the Orthodox Bishops – the Satanists/Masons in the Vatican posing as Catholic ecclesiastics will NOT PERMIT the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of Russia per whom we believe to be THE MOTHER OF GOD’S OWN Instructions.
Hence, just prepare yourself, your families and loved ones for a Third World War.
I can’t do anything about what is going to ‘go down’.
ONLY the Mother of God can help us now. But you and Stav and Orthodox Bishops and Masons and Satanists in the Vatican are ALL contributing to the ‘downfall of the human race’ per the 4th century prophecy of St. Nilus – direct disciple of ST. JOHN CHRYSOSTOM – and I think you MIGHT know who St. John Chrysostom was and is.
He wrote a very sacred DIVINE LITURGY in common usage throughout the Eastern Church.
– Fr. Joseph
Why illegals will get no benefits. Picture.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qdiRGUu2vrk/Sq-6AUBv0gI/AAAAAAAAAUM/cYnX7dczXPs/s1600-h/amnestyillegals.jpg
Rahm Emmanuel is called a menuval (disgusting person) by Chief Rabbi:
http://cgis.jpost.com/Blogs/rosner/entry/savitsky_on_emanuel_stop_cursing
Notice how Emmanuel is referred to as mishneh l’melech [advisor to a king]
“Canada, a country of 33.6 million people, has ordered 50.4 million doses of vaccine and plans to begin immunizations in November. If Canada doesn’t need all its order, it will leave some vaccines available for other countries, Butler-Jones said.”
I wonder why a country of 33 million would order around 51 million doses of vaccine. Of course it is more than obvious that 33 mln Canadians would not need around 51 million doses… So what happened and who order it and spent so much tax payers $$$ in vain?
My hypothesis on the subject. The khazarik/fake Jew boy Goldick Goldman representative of these huge drug companies which are producing the expensive elephant flu vaccine called his business friend a Khazarik/fake Jew boy Silverik Silverstine representative of Health Care Canada ( khazarik brothers are everywhere esp when it brings them $$$$) and they decided to send all this vaccine to Canada, instead of sending half of it to some other countries, let say in Africa.
The two kahazarik/fake Jews know that Canada will pay for certain, (a lot of khazarian/fake Jews are working in Canada’s government as well) as far as I read. And who knows whether the other countries will pay the vaccine or even whether they will be willing to take it. So our khazarik boys will be losing money.
I read that these drugs companies are going to make over $50 billion out of the flu vaccine they are selling now to us.
I got some info that the three more populated provinces in Canada, British Colombia, Quebec and Ontario are not going to force Canadians to take the vaccine.
Also read Russia is testing her own vaccine and will vaccinate only the people wishing to be vaccinated.
I personally am not going to take the vaccine because my main doctor GOD is not sending me a message to do it. I listen to him and follow his advice when comes to my health. Up to now he has not disappointed me!!!
What actually he sent to me recently were two very interesting dreams which I will write here soon…
Also, I would advice our military men and women not to take the vaccine and not to listen to the orders of their satanic bosses. They are part of us The People not part of the acting satanical club……
http://ca.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idCATRE58F69K20090916
Lots of Love,
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Eternal Love
I hope our Brother is doing well in Denver. We have not heard from him the last several days.
He could be very busy and away from computers. I believe he is taking a good care of himself. Having constantly a bottle of water and some sweet candies in his bag.
Lots of Love,
Please, support our fundraising campaign to help the Noble efforts of our Brother to promote Christianity and Justice for All!!!
Eternal Love
Dear Prodigal Son,
You asked me the question
‘Conversion from WHAT to WHAT?’
The ANSWER is very, very simple.
A Conversion from DISOBEDIENCE to OBEDIENCE!
It is high-time, way long over due for EVERYONE – whether they consider themselves ‘Christian’ or not, whether they consider themselves ‘Orthodox’ or not, whether they consider themselves ‘Catholic’ or not, ‘Protestant’ or not – to begin to SERIOUSLY CONSIDER just Who this ‘Christ Jesus’ they speak about, talk about and argue about.
He is GOD!
We owe GOD our absolute attention and OBEDIENCE to His Divine Will! Period.
All the theologians in the entire world, all of the ‘Churchmen’ of whatever rank or stature – all of the PEOPLE of our entire World owe God OBEDIENCE to whatever He might reveal as His Divine Will for BOTH His Own Church and for ALL of His Own Mankind for whom He died on His Cross in order to make Divine Provision for the FORGIVENESS OF SIN so as to make it possible to RE-DEEM the Divine Purpose FOR His Own created Human Race.
If GOD HIMSELF says He WANTS a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to His Own Mother’s Immaculately Loving Heart as the Roman Catholics believe – every last person in our World, both INSIDE and OUTSIDE of His Roman Catholic Church would do well in DROPPING EVERYTHING and STOPPING EVERYTHING in order to get on immediately with seeing to it that His Divine Will is DONE here on planet earth!
Now THAT is the ‘Conversion’ God that I believe is seeking from all of us – our OBEDIENCE to His Divine Will.
You have any ARGUMENTS with that answer of mine to you?
– Fr. Joseph
To Man of Peace,
I will give it a shot to your question Can anyone here answer why Christ spoke in parables?
The parable always makes truth concrete. There are very few people who can grasp and understand abstract ideas; most people think in pictures. The parable begins with material which lies ready to hand, and which every man understands, because it is within his own experience, and from that it leads him on to things which he does not understand, and opens his eyes to things which he has failed to see.
The parable open’s a man’s mind and open’s a man’s eyes by beginning from where he is, and by leading him onto where he ought to be.
The great teaching virtue of the parable is that it compels interest. The surest way to interest people is to tell them stories. The story-teller has always been the person to whom simple people will listen. The parable puts truth in the form of a story; the simplest definition of a parable is in fact to say that it is “an earthly story with a heavenly meaning”.
The parable has the great virtue that it enables and compels a man to discover truth for himself. It says “Here is a story. What is the truth in it? What does it mean for you?”
The other side of that is the parable conceals truth from those who are either too lazy to think or too blind through prejudice to see. The parable puts the responsibility fairly and squarely on the individual. The parable reveals truth to him who desires truth; it conceals truth from him who does not wish to see the truth.
One final thing must be remembered. The parable, as Jesus used it, was spoken; it was not read. Its impact had to be immediate, not the result of a long study. Take for instance the parable of the Wicked Husbandmen, the Orthodox Jewish leaders understood all right, the parable was about them and their reaction was to recoil in Horror from the message.
Jesus did not come to hide the truth from men; He came to reveal the Truth to all.
Paul
The true Israel is not composed of any Nation or Race. It is composed of those who accept Jesus Christ in Faith.
Charlie wrote:
“Joan of Arc was burnt at the stake by the Protestants not the Catholic Inquisition.”
How can that be? Joan of Arc lived ca. 1412 – 30 May 1431.
Martin Luther was not even born yet (10 Nov 1483 – 18 Feb 1546). He wrote his ’95 Thesis’ in 1512, a century after Joan’s birth.
Nor was William Tyndale (c. 1494 – 1536) born yet either. This 16th-century priest, reformer and scholar who translated the Bible into the Early Modern English of his day, and was burned as a heretic by Roman Catholic authorities near Brussels at the demand of Henry VIII after Thomas Cardinal Woolsey – the second most powerful man in England and Papal legate – declared Tyndale a heretic to begin with.
Nor was the infamous Henry VIII (28 June 1491 – 28 January 1547) born yet. Although in the great part of his reign he brutally suppressed the influence of the Protestant Reformation in England, he is more popularly known for his role in the separation of the Church of England from the Papal monarchy, which was formally pronounced by the English Parliament in 1534, a century after Joan’s death.
Saint Joan of Arc (ca. 1412 – 30 May 1431) led the French Catholic army to several important victories against the English Catholic conquerors during the Hundred Years’ War, and was indirectly responsible for the coronation of Catholic Charles VII.
She was captured by the Catholic Burgundians, sold to the English Catholics, tried by a French Catholic bishop who owed his office to the English Catholic conquerors and burned at the stake when she was nineteen years old because…it was a heresy for a female to wear men’s clothing.
Twenty-four years later, on the initiative of Charles VII, who in consideration of the throne could not possibly afford being seen as having been brought to power with the aid of a condemned heretic, Pope Callixtus III reviewed the trial decision of the ecclesiastical court with a truly thorough and professional re-investigation of all trial documents, evidence and witnesses.
He found her innocent, and declared her a martyr, and posthumously condemned the French Catholic bishop that had martyred her in a separate Inquisition trial.
And, let me stress, Charlie, quite justly so, both to restore her honor and remove any taint of suspicion from Charles and his elevation to the throne, as there were numerous ecclesiastical and canonical irregularities in Joan’s trial that had been unearthed and thoroughly documented.
So, what happened? Just a little royal dynastic house feud between competing, if distantly related monarchs that ravaged France, and it should be obvious from that at that point that all of the players in this sad stage of history were Roman Catholics and all ultimately owed allegience to the Pope.
Not a Protestant to be found, as the main players had not been born yet, nor had the “bloodthirsty Huegenots” entered onto the historical stage, who of course, were the French Calvinist Reformers of the 16th – 18th centuries.
By the beginning of 1429, nearly all of northern France and some parts of the southwest were under foreign control. The English ruled Paris, while the Burgundians controlled Reims. The latter city was important as the traditional site of French coronations and consecrations, especially since neither claimant to the throne of France had yet been crowned.
The English had laid siege to Orléans, which was the only remaining loyal French city north of the Loire. Its strategic location along the river made it the last obstacle to an assault on the remainder of the French heartland.
Let us pass over the truly astonishing victories of the French under St. Joan starting with Orleans until the day of the reckless skirmish on 23 May 1430 led to her being captured.
When she ordered a retreat, she assumed the place of honor as the last to leave the field. Burgundians surrounded the rear guard, she was unhorsed by an archer and initially refused to surrender.
It was customary for a captive’s family to ransom a prisoner of war, however, Joan and her family lacked the financial resources. Many historians condemn King Charles VII for failing to intervene.
The English Catholic government eventually purchased her from the Catholic Duke Philip of Burgundy. Catholic Bishop Pierre Cauchon of Beauvais, an English partisan, assumed a prominent role in these negotiations and her later trial.
It is correct that Joan was not convicted by the office of the French Inquisition but by Bishop Cauchon in an irregular proceding.
The trial for heresy was politically motivated plain and simple. The Duke of Bedford claimed the throne of France for his nephew Henry VI. Joan had been responsible for the rival coronation, so to condemn her was to undermine her king’s legitimacy as well.
Legal proceedings commenced on 9 January 1431 at Rouen, the seat of the English occupation government.
The papal retrial verdict later affirmed that the Catholic Bishop Cauchon had no right to try the case. The vice-inquisitor of France had strenuously objected to the trial on jurisdictional grounds at its outset.
To summarize some major problems, the jurisdiction of trial judge Bishop Cauchon held was a considered a “legal fiction” as he owed his appointment as her judge to his partisan support of the English government that financed the entire trial to begin with, although he was properly installed as the bishop by Papal authority.
Clerical notary Nicolas Bailly of the English side, commissioned to collect testimony against Joan, could find no adverse evidence.
Without such evidence the court lacked grounds to initiate a trial. Opening a trial anyway, the court also violated ecclesiastical law in denying her right to a legal advisor.
Upon the opening of the first public examination Joan complained that those present were all partisans against her and asked for Catholic “ecclesiastics of the French side” to be invited. She was also denied representation as Catholic canonical law required, and denied the ability to appeal to the archbishop and the Papacy by the bishop that tried her.
Sorry to say, the entire tragedy involved no one but warring factions of Catholics all the way around, so her martyrdom can’t be laid at the Protestants door at all.
Peace in Christ.
Joan was killed by the English, and within 100 years or so they were all Protestant.
She was not killed by the Catholic Inquisition. Thank you for the finer points of the mess but I beg to differ from your claim that she was burnt for wearing trousers.
She was accused of being a witch because she heard voices and these voices told her to fight the English and get Charlie crowned King.
These voices of course were from God and if the English were not yet Protestants they were well on the way as heretics.
Dear Fr. Joseph,
You say:
…”1910 – Prelude to what WILL HAPPEN to Russia – the same that happened to Portugal
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/portugal.html…”
You are aware of course that Satan is able to predict his own actions if he has been given permission to complete them, right? Predictions are NOT necessarily of divine origin, that’s NOT the way to test a Spirit.
Stav
Dear Fr. Joseph,
You say:
“…and Orthodox Bishops and Masons and Satanists in the Vatican are ALL contributing to the ‘downfall of …”
Please don’t insult the Orthodox Bishops and our Holy True Catholic Church, by putting it in the same basket as Satanists. That’s a hit below the belt Fr. Joseph.
Our Bishops have MARTYRED for Christ all the way from the beginning to even TODAY. Don’t be blasphemous.
Stav
Dear Charlie,
First, it was the Protestants that burned her at the stake. Then it’s the English that burned her at the stake. No, it was certain French Catholic clergy for whatever wicked political reasons that tried Joan and and condemned her on French soil.
English Catholics could not try her under canonical law because of diocese restrictions – unless an English bishop had actually been installed en cathedra with Papal appointment and approval.
This is from an authoritative Roman Catholic source – New Advent. Please note four things to look for in the excerpts:
1) Joan was tried by French Catholic theologians and doctors from the University of Paris in a French Bishop’s Court in a French diocese who was “sympathetic to the English”, but more accurately were loyal to King Henry V and his dynastic house and the allied Burgundians rather than to King Charles in a century-long war between two blood-kin monarchial houses and their allies vying for the French throne.
Regardless, the English and the French were all still Catholics in the 15th century under the jurisdiction of and loyal to the Pope.
2) After signing her retractions which included the heresy of wearing of men’s clothing [Deuteronomy 22:5] Joan was not burned at the stake but returned to prison by the ecclesiastical authorities. That trial was completely over and then a new one was initiated for a different charge of relapsed heresy.
3) Not long after she was somehow entrapped into wearing her male clothing again while in prison, she was then judged in a SECOND trial as a lapsed heretic by Bishop Cauchon’s court and then burned at the stake for being a relapsed heretic based solely on her resumption of men’s clothing.
4) The nullification trial reversed the conviction in part because the condemnation proceeding had failed to consider the well-known doctrinal and pastoral exceptions to that biblical stricture.
Doctrinally speaking in Catholic law at that time (and the Middle Ages were not all that chivalrous to begin with despite the romantic myths about them), she was safe to disguise herself as a page during a journey through enemy territory and she was safe to wear armor during battle. The Chronique de la Pucelle states that it deterred molestation while she was camped in the field.
Clergy who testified at her rehabilitation trial affirmed that she continued to wear male clothing in prison to deter molestation and rape. Several high-born women who knew Joan attested to her virginity as well. Preservation of chastity was another justifiable reason for wearing male apparel: her apparel would have slowed an assailant.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08409c.htm
[Excerpts]
“The Vicar of the Inquisition at first, upon some scruple of jurisdiction, refused to attend, but this difficulty was overcome before the trial ended.
Throughout the trial Bishop Cauchon’s assessors consisted almost entirely of Frenchmen, for the most part theologians and doctors of the University of Paris.
…She asked to be in the church prison, where she would have had female attendants. It was undoubtedly for the better protection of her modesty under such conditions that **she persisted in retaining her male attire.** Before she had been handed over to the English, she had attempted to escape by desperately throwing herself from the window of the tower of Beaurevoir…
This also served as a pretext for the harshness shown regarding her confinement at Rouen, where she was at first kept in an iron cage, chained by the neck, hands, and feet. On the other hand she was allowed no spiritual privileges — e.g. attendance at Mass — on account of the charge of heresy and the **monstrous dress (difformitate habitus) she was wearing.**
…The examinations terminated on 17 March. Seventy propositions were then drawn up, forming a very disorderly and unfair presentment of Joan’s “crimes,” but, after she had been permitted to hear and reply to these, another set of twelve were drafted, better arranged and less extravagantly worded.
With this summary of her misdeeds before them, a large majority of the twenty-two judges who took part in the deliberations declared Joan’s visions and voices to be “false and diabolical,” and they decided that if she refused to retract she was to be handed over to the secular arm — which was the same as saying that she was to be burned.
Certain formal admonitions, at first private, and then public, were administered to the poor victim (18 April and 2 May), but she refused to make any submission which the judges could have considered satisfactory. On 9 May she was threatened with torture, but she still held firm. Meanwhile, the twelve propositions were submitted to the University of Paris, which… denounced the Maid in violent terms.
Strong in this approval, the judges, forty-seven in number, held a final deliberation, and forty-two reaffirmed that Joan ought to be declared heretical and handed over to the civil power, if she still refused to retract. Another admonition followed in the prison on 22 May, but Joan remained unshaken.
The next day a stake was erected in the cemetery of St-Ouen, and in the presence of a great crowd she was solemnly admonished for the last time. After a courageous protest against the preacher’s insulting reflections on her king, Charles VII, the accessories of the scene seem at last to have worked upon mind and body worn out by so many struggles.
Her courage for once failed her. She consented to sign some sort of retraction, but what the precise terms of that retraction will never be known. …Even so, the poor victim did not sign unconditionally, but plainly declared that she only retracted in so far as it was God’s will. However, in virtue of this concession, Joan was not then burned, but conducted back to prison.
The English and Burgundians were furious, but Cauchon, it seems, placated them by saying, “We shall have her yet.” Undoubtedly her position would now, in case of a relapse, be worse than before, for no second retraction could save her from the flames.
Moreover, as one of the points upon which she had been condemned **was the wearing of male apparel, a resumption of that attire would alone constitute a relapse into heresy**, and this within a few days happened, owing, it was afterwards alleged, to a trap deliberately laid by her jailers with the connivance of Cauchon.
Joan, either to defend her modesty from outrage, or because her women’s garments were taken from her, or, perhaps, simply because she was weary of the struggle and was convinced that her enemies were determined to have her blood upon some pretext, once more **put on the man’s dress** which had been purposely left in her way.
The end now came soon. On 29 May a court of thirty-seven judges decided unanimously that the Maid must be treated as a relapsed heretic, and this sentence was actually carried out the next day (30 May, 1431) amid circumstances of intense pathos.
…Twenty-four years later a revision of her trial, the procès de réhabilitation, was opened at Paris with the consent of the Holy See. The first trial had been conducted without reference to the pope; indeed it was carried out in defiance of St. Joan’s appeal to the head of the Catholic Church.
Now an appellate court constituted by the pope, after long inquiry and examination of witnesses, reversed and annulled the sentence pronounced by a local tribunal under Cauchon’s presidency.
**The illegality of the former proceedings was made clear, and it speaks well for the sincerity of this new inquiry that it could not be made without inflicting some degree of reproach upon both the King of France and the [Catholic] Church at large, seeing that so great an injustice had been done and had so long been suffered to continue unredressed.**”
Dear Paul,
Your response is spot on.
Rather than the mundane rhetoric’s of an authoritarian a Parable serves to give a universal message, and those that understand them were meant to as its something that has hit a chord beyond the superficial.
It also conveys wisdom as a story told, it has that certain abstraction and objectivity that meets amongst like minds.
Its not only a sign of a higher intelligence but a deeper understanding of the subject told. A universality and wholeness in its message.
Sometimes one can suffer fools, Parable’s and stories levitate a meaning beyond the selfish ego-(I) and invoke an understanding not only in your head but that of the heart and soul.
A collective conscience on the same track. Not forced or pulled but gravitated towards under ones own will.
God bless.
Stav,
Deny it all you want, but I believe that unless the Bishops of the Church perform the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculately Loving Heart of Christ Jesus’ Own Mother – all of YOUR ‘Orthodox’ assertions and all of KathJuliane’s “See How Nasty The Catholic Church Has Been” postings here are going to result in a ‘BIG FAT ZERO’ in preventing a global thermonuclear Third World War.
People the world over – to INCLUDE all of you of the ‘Orthodox Church’ have better begin to STILL your thoughts and begin to reflect on just how much GOD has been insulted these past 100 years.
– Fr. Joseph
Fr. Joseph,
So, everything that KathJuliane and I and others have said, is now thrown out of the window and ignored? And all of that, based on an apparition by spirits which have not been tested and is certainly demonically inspired?
All I am saying is that if the Pope wants to consecrate anything, let him clean his hands and his “Churches'” hands first…
Stav
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Joan was fighting for French soil to belong to the French. She was burned at the stake by the English who would later become Protestants, because she fought against them and they lost. If French bishops were involved they were working for the English and hence traitors. A traitor loses all rights of citizenship and hence cannot be called a Frenchman.
For you to say first the Protestants, then the English – I may have been out by a few years but I am still referring to the SAME people and you know it.
With regards to the compulsory vaccines. This is only proposed in France and USA. In France they have a Jewish President, no surprise. In the US. the timing seems to coincide with a predicted total economic collapse and subsquent popular revolution.
Too many of them. Better give them a shot, to make them sick and they won’t be able to revolt – compulsory because the main revolters and their leaders would all be people too intelligent to take a voluntary vax. the ones that refuse will be the leading edge of the revolution. get them off to camps from which they’ll never return as fully functioning citizens if at all.
Oh yes, I see it clearly, from my perspective outside the country.
Question is, is there anyone left in America, who is not sufficiently brain dead to see it?
You have been warned by an impartial observer on the sidelines. Leave the country or resist, while you still can. My heart and the heart of millions around the globe is broken for you.
Will you continue to regard our warnings as a joke?
Wil you continue to resist our prayers and pleas for you?
Stav,
One more time…
A thermonuclear Third World War will result in millions upon millions of people DEAD.
And upon their individual DEATHS, there is their particular Divine Judgement – Heaven, Hell or Purgatory.
You and KathJuliane and others go on and on about the Bishop of Rome and the Catholic Church.
What I’m trying to get through YOUR thick skull is that the ETERNAL SALVATION of countless millions is at stake – and all that YOU and KATHJULIANE want to do is but go on and on with how ‘great’ the Orthodox Church is and how ‘miserable’ the Catholic Church is.
I believe the Mother of God, the Immaculate Conception, as Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal HAS TOLD both the ENTIRE World of 6 billion human beings and THE BISHOPS of her Son’s Catholic Church here one earth that IF the Bishops of the Catholic Church perform a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her Immaculately Loving Heart – HER SON, GOD INCARNATE, will see to it HIMSELF to use His Divine Powers to grant the ENTIRE WORLD of 6 billion human beings…WORLD PEACE!
And with WORLD PEACE, there will be NO Third World War.
And without a thermonuclear Third World War, millions upon millions will NOT be ‘terminated for Divine Judgement’ by Satan and his seen and unseen minions and allies..
And the Mother of God and her Son will have then CRUSHED Satan’s head and all of his worldwide satanic machnications…
And people the World over will obtain copious amounts of Actual and Sanctifying DIVINE GRACE…
And our Human Race will turn to THEIR FATHER IN HEAVEN in droves – and will be SAVED from eternal damnation in HELL.
But THAT amounts to a ‘hill of BEANS’ to you and KathJuliane – since you have made the CATHOLIC CHURCH your perpetual ‘enemy’ and give FREE REIGN and tacit ASSISTANCE to Satan in getting away with starting a thermonculear Third World War on account of this prideful exaultation of the Orthodox Church at the perpetual expense of the Catholic Church.
– Fr. Joseph
Stav,
If you and KathJuliane and every last other member of the Orthodox Church had any ‘GUTS’, you’d TAKE the opportunity to relentlessly BADGER your Orthodox Bishops, getting your Orthodox Bishops TO DEMAND the Bishop of Rome ORDER the pubilc and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her Immaculate Heart.
And why?
BECAUSE, as you so vehemently and ardently assert – the Catholic Church is WRONG, in ERROR, in its doctrine of the IMMACULATE CONCEPTION and your assertions that the Mother of God’s Apparitions at Fatima, Lourdes, Akita, etc. are of ‘SATANIC’ origin – IF you and your Orthodox Bishops had the ‘GUTS’ to making a PUBLIC challenge to the Catholic Church to ‘GO AHEAD!’ and do this ‘satanic inspired’ Collegial Consecration of Russia because HOLY RUSSIA is spiritually protected by the ORTHODOX CHURCH and all of God’s ORTHODOX SAINTS – an do so IN ORDER TO expose the entire World to the HILARIOUS NOTIONS OF and the HERETICAL DOCTRINES OF the Catholic Church!
But YOUR courage and KathJulianes ‘GUTS’ cannot rise above the level of simple BAD MOUTHING the Catholic Church – and your BISHOPS don’t do anything at all in order to CORRECT you!
Some ‘Christian Courage’ in the face of ‘The Enemy’!
– Fr. Joseph
To Stav,
Hope this helps;
ST PAUL. CORIN. 3:1-4: 4;5-6, 18-19
“Howbeit bethren I could not speak to you as spiritual men, but only as carnal, as babes in Christ…..for whereas there is jealousy and strife among you, are ye not carnal, demeaning yourselves as mere men?…..
Pass no judgment, therefore, before the time, until the Lord come, who shall both bring to light what is hidden in darkness and manifest the counsels of the heart; and then shall every man have due praise from God…..
…lest ye swell with pride, any of you, on behalf of one teacher against another.”
…counting on my not coming to you some are giving themselves airs…I shall ascertain not the language of those inflated spirits but their power.”
“For where there is envy and contention, there is unrest and every base deed….
Whence are feuds and whence are conflicts among you? Is it not from this, from your passions which are waging war in your members?” (James 3;16, 4;1)
Dear Fr.Joseph,
It seems that you cannot understand or don’t want to understand that if I do not acknowledge the Pope as infallible or the spirit appearance at Fatima as divine by face value alone, you cannot use these arguments towards making your point.
You’re first going to have to prove your premises to me and any sufficiently informed Orthodox Christian person and then automatically I would also have no choice but to accept what you are proposing. But up to now, you have made your position even worse than what it was in the beginning. This is because of the nature of heresy, which tends to deteriorate as time passe and reveal more and more faults and errors, if put under scrutiny.
If things where to be done your way, you’d love for us to simply accept what you are saying and not “cause any problems by asking questions”.
So, if you care so much about this consecration and you want to spread this message to non members of the Roman Church, then the best thing you could possibly do, is to prove to us that:
1) You Pope is capable of consecrating anything as a Bishop, which he is not because he is a part of a long chain of invalid ordinations.
2) IF you choose to use your Pope’s opinion on this, based on your assumed infallibility concept, then you’d have to prove to us that he really is infallible. Also if you are presented with even ONE case of error on the part of the Pope, which is what I have done, then you’d have to admit that in fact he is not infallible and thus NEVER use any of his decrees as ammunition in our discussions.
3) You’d have to give some real proof that these apparitions where indeed of divine origin, which is something that you are unable to do because you have no such proof. In fact, the way you are totally accepting of this apparition, is a sure proof of a person who is willing to accept anything from any source as long as it supports your views, as long as they fit your predetermined ideas.
In fact, the way and mechanism by which you accept the Fatima Apparitions as divine is NO DIFFERENT that the way Muslims or Mormons, accept their respective apparitions from various apparently divine spiritual experiences. So , then, what makes you accept the Fatima apparitions and not the apparition of an apparent “Angel”, apparently called
“Moroni”?
And remember that apparitions are exactly THAT, i.e. they appear to be. But appearances can be deceiving. On my multiple questions to you, asking you how you are sure if these apparitions are indeed what they appear to be, you have been silent. WHY? Don’t you see the shaky ground on which you are treading? I am simply following scripture by questioning this spiritual appearance, why do you take offense of it?
So why do you believe in the Fatima Apparitions?
The obvious answer as supported by your own actions is that you accept the first (Fatima apparitions) because of your predetermined ideas and reject the second (e.g. the Moroni apparitions) because it does not fit your predetermined ideas. Thus, I have now proven to you logically, that you are not accepting the Fatima Apparition message because you truly believe it is divine in origin, but rather because it serves for you as a (seriously flaky I might add) confirmation of the validity of the religious community you are part of.
What you fail to see however, is that in no way can you use this as proof against other thinking people who can see through your serious lack of substantial wight in your arguments.
Assuming that any of the above principles as true for you self, does not make them universally acceptable and thus they are NOT suitable arguments. Why can’t you see that? Your “arguments” have got NO weight what so ever because, really, they are not even real arguments because they are based on non-commonly accepted principles.
On the other hand, when I propose to you premises or principles that could stand as common ground, you reject or ignore it all.
What yo are really trying to do, is to convince everyone of your views, based on the “glamour”, “image” and worldly power of your religious community. Thus you are trying to impress and subsequently convince everyone based on blind emotional responses and hope that mindless compulsion to be impressed is going to be enough to convince.
Guess what: IT IS NOT! We are thinking people and base all of our views of Holy tradition, correct reasoning and a distinct balance between the two. If you want to convince us, you’d have to assume (even if only temporarily) these values and methods. Which methods, I might add, are objective and correct and thus you should not have to fear any of it, should you? Do you have any reason to fear truth and reasonable scrutiny of your opinions?
Stav
Dear Charlie,
You say:
“Hope this helps;”
In this respect, I do NOT need any help. I have presented to you arguments, which were ignored. So, it is obvious that it is really you who needs further help in answering my points. I’d love to return the favor, but unfortunately I could not find any help for supporting your arguments, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT EXIST.
You also quote:
“…Whence are feuds and whence are conflicts among you? Is it not from this, from your passions which are waging war in your members?” (James 3;16, 4;1)”
Charlie, I am seriously suspecting that you are either not reading my responses to you, or alternatively, you are ignoring them. Let me point them out to you again:
When this scripture is referring to “among you?” and “members” it is referring to members of the same Original, Apostolic , Holy Tradition Based, Holy Church. It is NOT referring to relations between this aforementioned Holy First Church and since split religious communities, like for example the Roman “Church”, which has lost communion due to their own self proclaimed independence.
Furthermore, this scripture, is referring to INDIVIDUALS or very small groups of people, always belonging to the same True Church. Thus it does not apply to me. What I am doing is pointing out only some of the immense number of errors and wrongdoings based on false doctrine, of the Roman Church, in the context of Orthodoxy. That, is not the same as having disputes between individual members or small groups of the same True Church. While I address my self to Fr. Joseph and your self, my quarrel is not with you personally but rather the twisted faith of your community. Regardless of my strong positions, I still respect you and Fr. Joseph as free people created in the Image of God, I am targeting the “wrongs” impersonally for the benefit of the many readers who come on this message board and would otherwise be left a one sides “Catholic” points of view, filled with authoritarian and heretical points of view. Thus I am using this medium of replying to individuals merely as a method to let the Orthodox view also be seen.
In addition, I am not sure if you are aware of this and do this on purpose or this is merely an unconscious side effect, but: If I were to accept your quotation that implies that feuds and conflicts should cease, then if I were to admit this, I would also by implication be admitting that we are indeed members of the same Church although perhaps separated by historical circumstances. That’s how most “Catholics” try to present the Orthodox. So if this was an attempt from your part to make me admit this implicitly, then I have to say, I would not do that, ever, because I can see past that.
Regardless however, it is by the Pope’s own admission that THE Church and your “Church” are NOT in communion and thus any further analysis in the context of this (non existent) communion is pointless as it does not apply.
Thus, to conclude , I fail to see how your quotation helps me, other than the fact that it showed that you ignored my previous post to on exactly the same matter and your complete lack of any response from you on it.
Stav
Dear Fr. Joseph,
A clarification t make it even clearer for you:
Forget Orthodoxy vs the Roman Church for a minute. Say, instead, you were trying to prove to me that flight of an object heavier than Air is possible. And let’s assume that you’d have to prove this to me in a theoretical manner.
Now, let’s assume that I do not accept the concept of aerodynamics, or as a minimum I have no knowledge of it.
Isn’t it true,that in order to actually prove it to me and convince me, you would have to take a step back and prove aerodynamics to me FIRST, before you went on to explain wing shapes and how an plane actually can fly?
Would I not then have to at some point accept the theory behind aerodynamics in order to use it further in the proof of the next step?
The answer is yes. Thus I am sure you see my point now, which is that you cannot use premises that I now see as false and/or do not accept in order to prove further points to me.
Stav
Dear Stav,
I don’t have “to prove” ANYTHING to you.
God has given you a MIND. And God has given you FREE WILL.
Now if I tell you that 9-11 was an ‘Inside Job’ – and if I can explain to you the FUNCTIONS of things like wings, rudders, elevators, slats, flaps, trim tabs, Bernoulli’s Principle, Newtwons Laws of Motion, 3,000psi hydraulic servos, the Brayton Cycle of jet engines, combustion temperatures and BTU heat content of JP-4 vs. JP-5 or Type-A vs. Type-B jet fuels, sheer strenghts of rivets and bolts, navigational aids and instrumentation such as ADIRU’s, Laser Gyros, VHF and UHF navaids, Standy Compasses, AIRNC 429 computer protocols, etc. – and if you so CHOOSE to utterly reject – to not even EXAMINE whether or not what is simply ‘there’ is THE TRUTH of the matter, then you have chosen
TO BE OBSTINATE
in mind and heart.
Regarding the Bishop of Rome’s Charism of ‘Infallibility’ when it comes to matters of Faith and Morals in his capacity of speaking ‘Ex Cathedra’ as BISHOP OF ROME, if the Bishop of Rome CANNOT speak ‘Infallibitly’ and CANNOT teach ‘Infallibly’ on and about matters of the Church’s FAITH and Christian MORALS – then you tell all of us where “in the HECK” do you get this silly idea that BISHOPS of the Orthodox Church “DON’T EVER MAKE ANY MISTAKES WHATSOEVER” when it comes to matter of THE APOSTOLIC FAITH and in CHRISTIAN MORALS!
What “Guarantee” do YOU have as a member of the Orthodox Church that YOUR Patriarchs and Metropolitans and Bishops HAVEN’T ERRED these past 1,000 years?
There are the Apparitions and associated Sueprnatural Miracles of the Mother of God AS Our Lady of Fatima, Our Lady of Lourdes, Our Lady of Guadalupe, Our Lady of Akita – and you are here tell the entire world that on account of your Orthodox Bishops REJECTION of any and all of these that THEY are “infallible”!
You and your Orthodox Bishops are simply being and choosing to be DELIBERATELY OBSTINATE in mind, heart and spirit!
Now YOU as an Orthodox can do a very simple ‘Spiritual Exercise’ and EXAMINE your own consciosness in order to come up with the utterly PURE & SINCERE spiritual answer as to ‘Why?’ is it that you all REALLY denounce what the Mother of God has desired and has attempted TO DO for her Son’s Church Militant here on earth these past several centuries.
When you have 70,000 RAIN-DRENCHED people assembling in Fatima, Portugal back in 1917 A.D. to see an announced ‘Miracle of the Sun’ – and IT OCCURS – and all 70,000 RAIN-DRENCHED people are ALL miraculously DRIED as well as the GROUND under the feet – and NOT ONE OF THEM suffered any adverse or ill affects – that’s a SUPERNATURAL MIRACLE only God and God Himself can perform.
That Fatima Miracle wasn’t “Magick”. Nor was the Miracle of the Sun.
And neither was the Image of the Mother of God on Juan Diego’s cloak in her Apparition and Message/Instruction as Our Lady of Guadalupe the result of “Magick”.
And the Resurrection of our Lord and the yearly Supernatural Miracle of Holy Fire in Jerusalem the result of “Magick”. The Patriarch of Jerusalem would PUBLICLY CONDEMN YOU if you as ‘Stav’ got on the Internet to tell people the world over that the Miracle of Holy Fire was ‘satanic’!
Yet, you come onto the Internet and make public proclamations to the people of our world that the Miracles associated with the Mother of God as Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal 1917 A.D. were ‘satanic’ in nature!
You owe it to yourself, to God, to His Mother, to your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ TO EXAMINE your real mental, emotional, intellectual and spiritual MOTIVATIONS as to why you make yourself an unwitting ‘enemy’ in brining about WORLD PEACE to our entire Human Race in PUBLICLY DENOUNCING the Messages and Apparitions of THE MOST HOLY THEOTOKOS as Our Lady of Fatima!
I want ‘World Peace’ for OUR Human Race.
I want as many millions of human souls SAVED from the clutches of Satan and from eternal damnation in Hell.
I want to see Satan’s challenge vs. Christ Jesus and the Church per Pope Leo XIII’s 1884 A.D. ‘Divine Heads Up!’ mystical experience DEFEATED for the sake of the Church and for all of Mankind for Whom our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ DIED in order to SAVE and to REDEEM.
Now what do YOU “want”? You’re FREE to tell the whole wide world here via the Internet.
You want a BYZANTINE EMPORER reigning over a BYZANTIUM EMPIRE again? That’s merely POLITICAL and entirely mundane, temporal and – if I may add – entirely ‘carnal’.
So what is it that YOU want?
– Fr. Joseph
Fr. Joseph,
Sorry I’m tardy with my reply to you… I’ve been away.
Lots of discussion going on ! That’s good, this is how we get to the bottom of things.
I hope that you aren’t feeling overwhelmed here, or like you’re being ganged up on or anything. I honestly don’t consider these discussions to be argumentative – rather we are exchanging points of view in a friendly, constructive way – out of a genuine concern for each other, and anyone who may read this.
I assure you that anything I might say to you is without animosity, my motive is love ! Love of the truth, and love for you – for your very soul !
~~~ ~~~ ~~~
“And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer.
So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of the brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the Devil has come down to you, having a great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
– Revelations 12;7-12
~~~ ~~~ ~~~
Notice especially 12:11, which says THEY OVERCAME HIM BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB, AND BY THE WORD OF THEIR TESTIMONY, AND THEY DID NOT LOVE THEIR LIVES TO THE DEATH.
It doesn’t say they overcame him by listening to what an apparition of Mary said !
‘Overcame’ – past tense ! Did not Christ Himself say, “It is accomplished.” ?
Satan has been beaten – past tense… defeated BY the Lamb – that is Christ, and by the testimony of the martyrs who did not love their lives – to the point of their own DEATHS !
Therefore, our salvation is from the SECOND death, not the first… We will rejoice when we reach heaven at the end of this age… Meanwhile – WOE to the inhabitants of the earth !
Christ’s kingdom is not of this age !
Should we not spend more time and effort contending for the salvation of ETERNAL SOULS – instead of earthly flesh ?
The fact is Fr. Joseph – that Satan appears an an angel of light… and he uses ‘apparitions’ of the Virgin Mary in order to deceive EVEN THE ELECT !
He uses APPARITIONS of her in this way because he hates her so – for she loved God so much, Christ came into this age, and walked the earth – through her.
~~~ ~~~ ~~~
Genesis 3:15 (as referenced by you) further proves my point…
“I will put emnity between you (Satan) and the woman, and between your seed and her seed.
He shall bruise your head, and you shall be on guard for His heel.”
The woman is first Eve, but also represents Mary… But it is the SEED of the woman Who will bruise the serpent’s head.
The seed, of couse is Christ – not Mary… It says, “HE (not she) shall bruise your head, and you shall be on guard for HIS (not her) heel.”
As I stated above – this has alredy been ACCOMPLISHED !
Through the Cross of Christ, Satan has already been defeated ! ‘The victory Jesus won !’
~~~ ~~~ ~~~
“I know that whatever things God does, they shall be forever.
Nothing can be added or taken away from these things,
For God did them that men might fear before Him.
What is has already been,
And what is to be has already been;
And God will require an account of what is past.”
– Ecclesiastes 3:14,15
~~~ ~~~ ~~~
Your quote from Jesus ben Sirach which states that the Lord strengthened the judgement of the mother over her sons…
Is taken from it’s context and applied to the mother of God… these verses are speaking of earthly parents and earthly sons…
I can do the same thing, and it will be just as valid as the verse you have used. Observe:
The verse you provided is preceeded by this line:
“For the Lord honored the father over the children.”
Therefore, since God is the Father of all, and the Father and the Son are ONE…
And since God is the Father of ALL, including Mary – this puts God in a posistion of authority over Mary, doesn’t it ? God is the Word !
Or look – I can take a verse from elsewhere and do the same:
“And I do not permit a woman to to teach or to have authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.”
– I Timothy 2:12,13
~~~ ~~~ ~~~
You also said to me, “We owe GOD our absolute attention and OBEDIENCE to His Divine Will! Period.”
And then you asked, “You have any ARGUMENTS with that answer of mine to you?”
Arguments ? No. This is a civil discussion of spiritual matters here on this dying earth.
A counter-point ? Why yes, I have one !
In order to obey God’s will… we must know WHAT God’s will IS.
“For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted – you may well put up with it.”(…)
“For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.
And no wonder ! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.”
– II Corinthians 11:2-4, 11:13-15
This tells us very clearly – if it isn’t in the Bible, we should not put up with it…
So, according to you – Mary has appeared (as a spirit, which you choose to receive..), and she has brought with her another gospel which says that Christ has not saved us – but that only SHE can help us now !
Can you show me in Scripture that this ‘Marian’ doctrine had been received at the time that Paul spoke these words ?
Or the doctrine of an infallable ‘pope’ ?
Or what of the seven Noahide laws, affirmed by the ‘pope’ ?
Or what of the new doctrine of ‘many paths to heaven’ ?
Is that not a new gospel ? Christ said the ONLY way to the Father was through Him !
Don’t you see ? The words of a ‘pope’ cannot supercede the Word of God ?
~~~ ~~~ ~~~
In Christ’s Love,
Joshua
I think it is very sad and it troubles me greatly to read these dissenting diatribes and conflict between Orthodox and Roman.
This is exactly what the Zionists want- division among Christians so they can’t unite into a cohesive block the way the Zionists have- don’t you see that? and how it prevents Christians from rising?
http://www.hstantonsee.com/HouseDividedCantStand.htm
House or Kingdom Divided Against Itself Cannot Stand
II. The church divided against itself cannot stand.
A. The work of the church was hindered at Corinth
because of division.
1. 1 Corinthians 1:10-13
2. 1 Corinthians 3:1-3
3. 1 Corinthians 11:20-21
B. The work of any congregation is hindered when the
congregation is divided.
C. The cause of Christ is hindered when sister
congregations divide against each other.
III. Division within the church is a sin and is strenuously
condemned.
A. Christ condemned division.
1. John 17:20-22
2. John 10:16 (one flock)
B. Paul condemned division.
1. 1 Corinthians 1:10-13
2. 1 Corinthians 3:1-3
3. Philippians 3:16 (NKJV)
IV. The cause of division.
A. Love for self. 2 Timothy 3:2
1. Personal matters.
2. Selfish ambitions.
B. Love for popularity. John 12:42-43
C. Love for false teachers. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15
D. Love for money.
1. 2 Peter 2:1-3
2. Romans 16:17-18
3. 1 Timothy 6:6-10
E. Love for strange doctrines. 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
V. The fruits of division
A. Causes men to depart from the faith. Matthew 24:12
B. Leaves sinners estranged from God without knowledge
to salvation.
C. Divides homes and causes grief.
D. Wastes money.
VI. The remedy for division and the basis for unity.
A. Have no creed but the Bible
1. 1 Peter 4:11
2. 2 Timothy 3:16-17
B. Have no church but the New Testament church.
1. Matthew 16:18
2. Acts 20:28
C. Have no plan of salvation but the Bible plan.
1. Matthew 28:18-20
2. Matthew 16:15-16
3. Acts 2:36-38
D. Have no name but the God-given name.
E. Have no worship but the New Testament worship.
1. John 4:24
2. Matthew 15:9
F. Have no standard of living but the Bible standard.
Titus 2:12
G. Be not self-willed.
H. Above all else, resolve to follow Christ.
To Hi,
Hi ! A couple of points for you…
The Roman ‘church’ separated from the One True,Holy Apostolic New Testament Chuch in the year 1054 !
They’ve got a lot of back-tracking to do to get back to where they started, BEFORE they began to arbitrarily make changes to the New Testament worship which had already been in effect for a millenium !
I see nothing in I Peter 4:11 OR II Timothy 3:16,17 which admonishes Christians not to establish a Creed. Am I missing something here ?
The Creed was established under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and was fully agreed upon by all in attendance (including Rome), and was NEVER to be changed by anyone.
If there were to be any changes made to the Creed, they would have to be agreed upon by all parties – or they would be OF NO EFFECT, see ?!
Hence the de facto excommunication of Rome.
Your post advises us to “Have no plan of salvation but the Bible plan.”…
That’s what I’m trying to say !
Also… where is part ‘I’ in your posting ? It starts at part ‘II’…
Can you post part I, or tell us why you omitted it ?
Does your post have an original source besides yourself, and if so – what is that source ?
Thanks.
Dear Fr. Joseph,
You say:
“I don’t have “to prove” ANYTHING to you.”
As a free man, of course not, you do not have to, not do I demand such a thing from you. The requirement is one of logic and correct reasoning. My point was to say that IF you want to convince an Orthodox, then you “have to”, by logical necessity. That is to say, we require further logical/factual proof and support if we are to be convinced. This means that if you do not supply this, then we will not be convinced and then your “divine message” will not have any effect on the Orthodox, apart from outright denouncement. It’s up to you. I am fine where I stand, I do not require this proof because I know it does not exist. The problem stays with you.
You also say:
“…then you tell all of us where “in the HECK” do you get this silly idea that BISHOPS of the Orthodox Church “DON’T EVER MAKE ANY MISTAKES WHATSOEVER” when it comes to matter of THE APOSTOLIC FAITH and in CHRISTIAN MORALS!
What “Guarantee” do YOU have as a member of the Orthodox Church that YOUR Patriarchs and Metropolitans and Bishops HAVEN’T ERRED these past 1,000 years?…”
Fr. Joseph, our Bishops are humans and thus since all humans err, they have also erred as humans. HOWEVER, while individual errors have been made, the Church has completely and fully preserved it’s integrity both theologically and practically. Furthermore, the answer to your question in the case of doctrinal and heretical errors and if they have been committed by Orthodox Bishops, is YES, some of them have. BUT, they were and are instantly (and in some cases automatically) excommunicated in order to preserve the integrity of Orthodoxy. Thus, the answer to your assertions/questions is, as follows:
1) Orthodox Bishops are humans and as such they are fully capable of making errors.
2) In the case of unrepentant errors that corrupt the individuals themselves, they are chastised in various ways.
3) In the case of unrepentant doctrinal errors which corrupt the faith as a whole and themselves individually, they are excommunicated. One such case, caused the great schism of 1050. There have been many more.
You also say:
“I want ‘World Peace’ for OUR Human Race.”
Fr. Joseph, there is NO BENEFIT from peace without a true communion with Jesus Christ. I’d rather die violently with Christ and for Christ, in a world of complete and total war, than live peacefully, saturated in Demonic illusions.
You also say:
“I want as many millions of human souls SAVED from the clutches of Satan and from eternal damnation in Hell.”
Fr. Joseph, there is NO salvation outside of truth and certainly the Roman Church cannot provide the whole truth. And Jesus Christ said: “I am the way, the truth, and the life”. Thus is the Roman “Church” does not have the whole truth, it does not have Christ.
You also say:
“I want to see Satan’s challenge vs. Christ Jesus and the Church per Pope Leo XIII’s 1884 A.D. ‘Divine Heads Up!’ mystical experience DEFEATED for the sake of the Church and for all of Mankind for Whom our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ DIED in order to SAVE and to REDEEM”
Fr. Joseph, read the scriptures, does any of what you describe match what you imply above and in the rest of your post? Furthermore, please do not use Papal references with me as I do not accept them as divine and thus they only infect your text with further questionable meanings.
You also say:
“Now what do YOU “want”? You’re FREE to tell the whole wide world here via the Internet.
You want a BYZANTINE EMPOWER reigning over a BYZANTIUM EMPIRE again? That’s merely POLITICAL and entirely mundane, temporal and – if I may add – entirely ‘carnal’.
So what is it that YOU want?”
What I want? What I want is besides the point. I am but a laughable and worthless slave of Christ. My opinions on what should happen would be just an ignorant mans point of view. I ascribe to the Lord’s prayer Fr. Joseph, which says:
“THY WILL BE DONE”
I want WHATEVER God wants for me and the world.
I trust in the Lord that if we follow his commandments in the context of the ONE TRUE CHURCH, the Lord will not let His World perish.
Furthermore, what on earth gave you the idea that I want another Byzantine empire on earth? Have I given you any reason to view me as some Greek Nationalistic Orthodox by name only who really puts his national heritage before Christ and His Church? I hope not, but I am here to tell you that I put Christ and His Church first and only as a second of third my country and heritage, which I might add in my case is not purely Greek in origin.
No, Fr. Joseph, whether there is going to be a renewed Byzantium is up to God and I have no place to ask for such dramatic social changes from God, because I could net even begin to know what this really means in practical sense.
In short, what I wish (but not “want” in the selfish sense of the word) is that all of us humans simply follow “THY WILL BE DONE”. And that is to say the WILL OF GOD which is clearly defined and derived and not simply “appeared” to be so as in an “apparition” that has not been tested.
All in all, Fr. Joseph, it is becoming almost completely transparent, that the spirit of your religious community which is of THIS WORLD, is affecting you too much, so that it is hard for you to see that a Christian is to firstly long for the NEXT life and the world to come and NOT the life of this world.
Stav
“At Fatima, Our Lady declared: ‘ONLY I CAN HELP YOU.'” – from
http://www.fatima.org/essentials/whatucando/crisis.asp
Take it or leave it.
‘Leaving it’ results in a global thermonuclear world war:
“WORLD PEACE or the Annihilation of Nations – It Depends on 4600 Men.”
http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr19/cr19pg31.asp
The Zionists, the Masonic-Rosicrucian-Kabbalistic-Hermetic Order spiritual alliance of 1931 is going to win on account of the hostile obstinance towards the Mother of God as the Immaculate Conception.
– Fr. Joseph
Stav,
Sacred Scripture has it:
“This may be a wicked age, but your lives should redeem it. And DO NOT be thoughtless BUT RECOGNIZE what is THE WILL OF THE LORD.”
– St. Paul – Ephesians 5:16-17
I believe THE LORD wants a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to His Mother’s Immaculately Loving Heart per her 1917 A.D. Fatima, Portugal Apparitions and Messages.
You and Prodigal Son BOTH HAVE the ‘Information’. It’s your and Prodigal Son’s responsibility TO DO something with that Information and about that Information.
– Fr. Joseph
It’s just ‘Fr. Joseph’ here THINKING to himself here at his hermitage – regarding these Orthodox v. Catholic exchanges I constantly and relentless have to put up with.
So I have this individual going on and on about the great GREEK nation and its GREEK ORTHODOX Church as being ‘part and parcel’ of the national life of that country.
Now GREECE happens to be a member nation of NATO.
And NATO bombed the ‘living snot’ out of so many SERBIAN ORTHODOX.
Now KathJuliane who is a SERBIAN ORTHODOX from what I recall relentlessly lays into the Catholic Church as being the ‘Number One Evil’ on planet earth (grin).
Now I’m NOT about to ask KathJuliane why does she lay the blame for SERBS being bombed by NATO on the Vatican. Shoot. The Italian MASONIC Revolution of Garibaldi reduced the BISHOP OF ROME to a viritual political prisoner in the Vatican’s 160 acres.
I think SAROVEJO (sp?) is a bit lager that 160 acres.
Now did the Patriarch of the Serbian Orthodox Church go over to Greece and lay ANY BLAME on the Patriarch of the GREEK Orthodox Church for allow HIS Greek Orthodox nation, a member nation of NATO, for permitting the slaughtering off of so many SERBIAN Orthodox? I don’t think so.
But I would venture to say that BOTH the Patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Church as well as the Patriarch of the Serbian Orthodox Church both BLAME the Bishop of Rome for brining about such ‘satanic evils’ down upon the heads of the Serbian people.
And then there is the Russian Orthodox Church and her Patriarch.
Now why, o why, somebody PLEASE tell me why on earth did not Putin or Medveded DISPATCH the Patriarch of the RUSSIAN Orthodox Church to GREECE in order to tell the Patriach of the GREEK Orthodox Church to stop his ostensibly Greek Orthodox nation – a member of NATO – to STOP his Greek Orthodox nation from allowing NATO to bomb the Serbian Orthodox back into the stone age?
But as is the race, the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, the Patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Church and the Patriarch of the Serbian Orthodox Church – and ALL of their Clergy and Laity – wind up ‘Laying the Blame’ ON the Bishop of Rome and the CATHOLIC Church.
Now here in the USA – a most vehemently ANTI-CATHOLIC NATION with the likes of Pastor John Hagee, and Pastor Jimmy Swaggart and Pastor Oral Roberts and Pastors Galore on the t.v. soliciting all sorts and manners of ‘donations’ and ‘tithes’ ALL call the Bishop of Rome ‘The Anti-Christ’ and the Catholic Church ‘The Whore Of Babylon’.
And the MASONS of the U.S. Supreme Court have made DARN SURE that the Catholic Church here in the USA would have NO and WANING INFLUENCE over 300 million US citizens via the KKK Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black issuing his ‘Judicial Fiat’ of ‘Seperation of (Catholic) Church and State’ ruling in Everson v. Board of Education 1947.
So my MASONIC U.S.A. in collobration with the predominately GREEK ORTHODOX nation of Greece – member of NATO – jointly bomb to death SERBIAN Orthodox left and right – and somehow the Bishop of Rome and the Catholic Church wind up TO BLAME for all of this ‘satanic activity’ by the Patriarchs, Clergy and Laity of the Russian, Greek and Serbian ORTHODOX Churches!
Now our LORD tells the Bishop of Rome and the Bishop of the Catholic Church that IF they perform a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to His Own Mother’s Immaculately Loving Heart per her 1917 A.D. Fatima, Portugal Apparitions and Messages, that He, THE LOGOS, would see to it that our entire world (that includes RUSSIA and GREECE and SERBIA, now mind you) would wind up having WORLD PEACE.
Now the members of the ORTHODOX Churches here on RZN go “bonkers” CONDEMNING the Catholic Church for receiving the Divine Instruction to CONSECRATE RUSSIA to the Mother of God’s Most Holy and Most Immaculately Loving Heart!
Perhaps people the world over can now begin to understand why so many people simply ‘GIVE UP’ on Religion and on Christianity!
People talk NON-SENSE about ‘religion’ and ‘christianity’ and can only manage to find ONE ‘unifying factor’ – there mutual beligerance towards and hatred of the BISHOP OF ROME and the CATHOLIC CHURCH!
I suppose it’s now time for me to turn in for the night in order to wake up in the morning to find ‘WHAT ELSE’ the Catholic Church is TO BLAME tomorrow morning when I log onto RZN.
– Fr. Joseph
Fr. Joseph here again – just sharing a ‘flashing thought’ with all of you from here at my hermitage.
Now since the Bishop of Rome is ‘The Anti-Christ’ and the Catholic Church is the ‘Whore of Babylon’ as asserted by BOTH the 27,000 Protestant denominations and by the Russian, Greek, Serbian, Syrian and Coptic Orthodox Churches, here’s what all of you ORTHODOX and PROTESTANTS can do. Somebody might drop this “suggestion” of mine into Putin’s and Medvedev’s ears.
Get the Patriarch of the RUSSIAN Orthodox Church along with the Patriarchs of the GREEK and SERBIAN Orthodox Churches to go pay a ‘State Visit’ to the Church of Englan’s ARCHBISHOP of Cantebury.
The Orthodox Patriarchs can politely ask the Church of England’s ARCHBISHOP of Cantebury why is is that the BISHOPS of the Church of England stand by MUTE while the Bank of England in conjunction with the Federal Reserve Bank of the USA are allowed by the CHURCH OF ENGLAND to go on and on and on waging all of these WARS all over the World with the U.S.A..
The Patriarchs of the ORTHODOX Churches can advise the ARCHBISHOP OF CANTEBURY that he has a spiritual and moral OBLIGATION to all of the members of the Orthodox Churches to come out and PUBLICLY CONDEMN the Bank of England – and that all the people of ENGLAND need to destroy-dismantle and nationalize the Bank of England.
Now then, THAT isn’t going to happen – and I’ll tell you why.
The Church of England’s Archbishop of Cantebury – if he even DARED to entertain that thought given to him by the Patriarchs of the RUSSIA, GREEK and SERBIAN Orthodox Church’s – would have the HEAD of the Church of England, who is the Queen of England, have her M16 wind up putting A BULLET in the head of the Archbishop of Cantebury just like JFK had a bullet put into his head for daring the challenge the PRIVATE OWNERS of the Federal Reserve Bank here in the USA.
Now the Patriarchs of the RUSSIAN, GREEK and SERBIAN Orthodox Churches can “order” their Metropolitans and Bishops in either ENGLAND or here in the USA to come out telling their Orthodox Laity TO STOP using their Federal Reserve Notes here in the USA, demanding REAL Constitutional US Dollars to REPLACE these bogus/fake fiat currency Federal Reserve Notes.
I can only wonder ‘Why?’ is it that the Patriarchs of the RUSSIAN and GREEK and SERBIAN Orthodox Churches haven’t done that as of yet. Maybe it’s simply EASIER to blame the Bishop of Rome and the Catholic Church for all ‘The Evils’ going on in the world and done by their respective Governments.
Now if the CHURCH OF ENGLAND’S Archbishop of Cantebury ORDERED his Episcopalian-Anglican flock in ENGLAND to REFUSE using any currency issued by the Bank of England, and if the Archbishop of Cantebury got all of his Anglican-Episcoplian BISHOPS here in the USA to ORDER their respective flocks to STOP USING Federal Reserve Notes as well, then perhaps the bible-believing pastors and preachers and teleevaneglists here it USA would get their respective flocks of their 27,000 denominations TO ALSO STOP USING Federal Reserve Notes.
Then the USA would become FREED of the Masonic-Kabbalistic-Zionist-Rothschild-Rockerfeller-Warburg-Goldman-Sachs-Schiff MONETARY CONTROL of the entire US “military-industrial-congressional complex” and there wouldn’t be any more of this ZIONIST garbage going on the world over.
Well, there you go – there is the REMEDY for all of you Orthodox and Protestants – get your PATRIARCHS and your ARCHBISHOPS doing what I just suggested – and the ‘Anti-Christ’ Bishop of Rome and the ‘Whore Of Babylon’ Catholic Church will SIT BACK and watch how all of you can bring about WORLD PEACE in a very ORTHODOX and a very PROTESTANT sort of way.
– Fr. Joseph
Fr. Joseph,
You say:
“So I have this individual going on and on about the great GREEK nation and its GREEK ORTHODOX Church as being ‘part and parcel’ of the national life of that country.”
When did you see me write about the Greek Orthodox Church only? I never do that, as I am VERY conscious of the fact that the Orthodox Church is beyond and over nationalities.
You also say:
“People talk NON-SENSE about ‘religion’ and ‘christianity’ and can only manage to find ONE ‘unifying factor’ – there mutual beligerance towards and hatred of the BISHOP OF ROME and the CATHOLIC CHURCH!”
Fr. Joseph, firstly there are plenty of people who DO NOT see the Pope as the one unifying factor. Secondly, there are far more important things to consider as unifying factors, such as is the TRUTH. Majority rule does not apply here, as the facts are on the table. One needs to look at these facts and decide, not be impressed by the Pope’s worldly power.
You mention the “Archbishop of Cantebury”…
I honestly do not know who is worse: This witch and New Age person who claims to be the head of a Christian “Church” or the Pope who is the last link in a chain of invalid ordinations… Don’t get me started on the “Church” of England… The problems of the Roman Church and even more multitudes of errors have almost completely destroyed that community beyond repair.
Stav
Stav,
You have a very, very HARD TIME in getting in to register in your MIND that it is THE LORD Who wants a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to His Mother’s Immaculately Loving Heart per her 1917 A.D. Fatima Portugal Apparitions which were accompanied by a Supernatural Miracle of the Sun witnessed and experienced by 70,000 people.
Once it FINALLY begins to register in YOUR MIND that it is GOD HIMSELF Who wants a world wide public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to His Mother’s Immaculately Loving Heart – then perhaps, just MAYBE you will adopt a more HUMBLE attitude towards what GOD wants done here on earth.
I’ve provided ALL OF YOU, Orthodox or not, the INFORMATION, the LINKS, the ON-LINE VIDEO DOCUMENTARIES, the SCRIPTURE VERSES.
If your individual and collective ORTHODOX hearts and minds had grown so COLD towards what THE LORD Himself wants done, there is very little further I can do about any and all of this.
If you ORTHODOX do not – repeat, DO NOT WANT ‘WORLD PEACE’ – they you will GET want you want – a world LACKING IN of Peace and FULL of violence, wars, conspiracies and everything else that BR. NATHANAEL is going to continually uncover and REPORT ON here on RZN.
Apparently, all of you ORTHODOX take a degree of unspoken DELIGHT in seeing and hearing about all of this EVIL going on in our world to 6 billion human beings ALL created in the Image and Likeness of God Himself for who THE FATHER sent His Only Eternally Begotten Son TO SAVE and REDEEM by His taking on OUR HUMAN NATURE in the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Spouse of God the Holy Spirit, God’s Own IMMACULATE CONCEPTION to and for the entire Human Race.
I’ve “had it” with your Orthodox-Infallible-Supremacy.
I’m taking a ‘vacation’ for all of this – NONE OF YOU want to even HUMBLY consider what it is that I’ve shared with ALL OF YOU – from Chemtrails, from Banking Cartels, from US Supreme Court Judial Fiats, from 9-11 ‘Inside Job’ proofs and information.
How is it that you ORTHODOX have such little CHARITY towards the rest of the Human Race?
HOW???
– Fr. Joseph
There is a video of the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima, which is genuine and was on the internet some time ago. I cannot find it now however.
I had to find some solace and comfort for myself tonight here at my hermitage. Mental fatigue, inner spiritual-emotional disgust, bewilderment in the face of not being able to get anything DONE in order to halt/stop or correct the innumerable types and sorts of EVIL running rampant and unchecked in our contemporary World of 2009 A.D. had come to all weigh down on me – once again.
But this time, I turned my mind and heart to GOD THE FATHER in order to ‘complain’ to Him.
And the Father most gently, graciously and most generously granted me a very simple and ‘to-the-point’ Thought – and that Thought granted me Peace.
God the Father Himself, by His Own Sovereign Divine Will, created ALL OF US and has endowed EACH AND EVERY LAST ONE OF US with a ‘Free Will’.
All of this EVIL we see happening and emerging and being IMPOSED on peoples all across our contemporary World is being allowed to happen per His Own Divine PERMISSIVE Will.
And I have to ‘understand’ and ‘accept’ that it is God’s Own Divine Will TO PERMIT all of these evil minded and evil doing people to go on and on.
I might NOT like it. I might want to STOP it. And I might even attempt TO TRY to ‘fix’ it. But no matter what I, personally, attempt to do will NOT STOP these evils desired and generated by so many of my ‘fellow human beings’ in and all across our World of 2009 Anno Domini.
And I can’t “stop” any or all of it BECAUSE it is being PERMITTED by God the Father’s Own Absolutle, Eternal and Almighty Divine Will.
So ‘Human History’ as we NOW know it and ARE experiencing simply must ‘Play Itself Out To Its Regrettable Conclusion’.
We, members of the Human Race, DID ‘have a Divine Chance’ FOR World Peace – that is IF the Instructions of the MOTHER OF GOD as Our Lady of Fatima Portugal were listened to and IMPLEMENTED for the sake of the her Son’s Church Militant here on earth AS WELL AS for the whole of the rest of our Human Race – Greek, Serb, Russian…whatever.
Now some might ask ‘What is so big OR so important about PEACE?’
PEACE is needed by every last created human being SO AS TO be able to turn their minds and hearts onto their God, their Creator and their FATHER in Heaven – in order TO LEARN what the meaning and purpose to and for their lives IS and to come into personal and communal possession of their All-good GOD so as to begin to live in abiding Common-Union with Him – just like Adam and Eve PRIOR to their choosing to be seperated from the Life and Love of God Who Created and Sustains ALL THINGS in existance and in its being.
God is perfectly capable of DIRECTLY interfering with the operation(s) of ANY persons or people’s FREE WILL. That is a Divine Right He reserves for Himself. An example?
The Direct Divine Intervention into the actions, plans and desires of SAUL who became the Apostle, St. Paul.
If we had that public and solemn Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculately Loving Heart of Christ Jesus’ Own MOTHER – God would have seen to it that ALL OF US would really have ‘World Peace’ BECAUSE God Himself would have PERSONALLY intervened in HALTING and/or ALTERING what all of the World’s ‘Grand Pooh Bah Movers & Shakers’ this past century DID and what they are PLANNING TO DO.
But it is rather apparent that the Orthodox here on RZN much prefer keeping a millenium’s worth of HOSTILITIES going and going and going on yet some more.
Apparently ‘WORLD PEACE’ is perceived as a GREAT SPIRITUAL THREAT to the members of the Orthodox Church who NEED their spiritual daily dose of ‘hostility’ to and for the Catholic Church and the Bishop of Rome and his Bishops.
And for whatever it is or was worth, I told God the Father that I was really, REALLY SORRY, for getting His Divine Will DONE here on our planet earth of 2009 Anno Domini.
I just have TOO MANY ‘enemies’ of all sorts, shapes, types and sizes. And a man has to simply learn his limitations and his place in this ‘going-to-hell-in-a-handbasket’ World of 2009 Anno Domini.
I believe it was the Mother of God HERSELF who authoritatively said it:
“ONLY I CAN HELP YOU.”
– Fr. Joseph
http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=701%3Asheriff-mack-advises-people-to-alert-their-local-sheriff-if-facing-forced-vaccine-or-quarantine-threat&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=64&lang=en
It would be nice if the forced flu vax team went up to the local sheriff and said can we force vaccinate your people and apologize and go on their merry way if he says no.
That’s sheriff Macks apparent solution to the forced vaccinations which are coming down the pipeline. Unfortunately I don’t think it is going to happen like that.
If sheriff Mack was serious he would already be organizing and co-ordinating local and national resistence with his constituents and other like-minded sheriffs, of which he says there are many, around the country.
At the moment he is simply sleepwalking into a detention camp.