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1. KathJuliane April 30, 2009 @ 11:14 am

   Encore post: MSD write: “Hi KathJuliane, that is one of the most astonishing anti-semitic screeds I’ve ever seen written in the comment section of a website. I couldn’t even finish it.”

   Hi back! And yes, I’ll take a little more screed with my hemlock tea. And let me congratulate you on being such a fine example of defacto, if not dejure, membership in the Bene Noach ruled by the Jewish Rabbinate. Guess who wrote this “screed”:

   “Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew – not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.

   Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Judaism, would be the self-emancipation of our time.

   An organization of society which would abolish the preconditions for huckstering, and therefore the possibility of huckstering, would make the Jew impossible. His religious consciousness would be dissipated like a thin haze in the real, vital air of society. On the other hand, if the Jew recognizes that this practical nature of his is futile and works to abolish it, he extricates himself from his previous development and works for human emancipation as such and turns against the supreme practical expression of human self-estrangement.

   We recognize in Judaism, therefore, a general anti-social element of the present time, an element which through historical development – to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed – has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily begin to disintegrate.

   In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Judaism.

   The Jew has already emancipated himself in a Jewish way.

   “The Jew, who in Vienna, for example, is only tolerated, determines the fate of the whole Empire by his financial power. The Jew, who may have no rights in the smallest German state, decides the fate of Europe. While corporations and guilds refuse to admit Jews, or have not yet adopted a favorable attitude towards them, the audacity of industry mocks at the obstinacy of the material institutions.” (Bruno Bauer, The Jewish Question, p. 114)
   This is no isolated fact.

   The Jew has emancipated himself in a Jewish manner, not only because he has acquired financial power, but also because, through him and also apart from him, money has become a world power and the practical Jewish spirit has become the practical spirit of the Christian nations. The Jews have emancipated themselves insofar as the Christians have become Jews.

   [Of course Hitler must have written this anti-semitic diatribe, seems to be right out of Mein Kampf.

   Wrong. It was Karl Marx (Mordechai), in 1844, the secret Satanist/Luciferian, according to his own poetry. Either his father or grandfather was a well-known rabbi in his time, so Marx’s opinion would carry a certain amount of weight. He was certainly anti-Christian as well as anti-Judaism, considering any religion as “the opium for the masses”, so it can’t be said that he had any sympathy for Jesus Christ. Yet, their observations from 2,000 years apart are strikingly similar about the Jews and their tribal behavior. Modern Judaism is a direct continuation of the Pharisee tradition.

   The quote is about 7/8 down the page at the following site:]

   http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/

2. KathJuliane April 30, 2009 @ 11:59 am

   MSD wrote: “The Jewish yearning to start slaughtering innocent animals for the magical use of animal blood at a fraudulent “third temple” is really astonishing.”

   We will discount somewhat the American Reformed and Conservative Jewish communities who tend to be more philosophical and humanistic, from being overtly equated with practicing the following non-Biblical sacrificial rite, which is widely practiced in ultra-Orthodox and Hassidic communities in the US and throughout the world, especially in Israhell. Keep in mind that the fraudulent “third temple” has not been built yet, when the Jews anticipate resuming their animal sacrifices. At the moment, it is just chickens.

   Reply: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=101&letter=K

   Kapparah: “An animal used as a sort of vicarious sacrifice on the day previous to the Day of Atonement. As a rule, a cock is taken by a male, and a hen by a female person, and after the recitation of Ps. cvii. 17-20 and Job xxxiii. 23-24 the fowl is swung around the head three times while the right hand is put upon the animal’s head. At the same time the following is thrice said in Hebrew: “This be my substitute, my vicarious offering, my atonement. This cock [or hen] shall meet death, but I shall find a long and pleasant life of peace!” After this the animal is slaughtered and given to the poor, or, what is deemed better, is eaten by the owners while the value of it is given to the poor.”

   [This tradition called “chicken swinging” is not found in either the Bible or the Talmud, is practiced widely among ultra-Orthodox Jews originally from Eastern European areas, and the Hasid. In New York alone, over 50,000 chickens are sacrificed, although there is a lot of quibbling that it is not a “sacrifice”, but merely ritual slaughter, however the Jewish Encyclopedia clearly defines it as a sort of vicarious ritual sacrifice, complete with its own prayer liturgy and readings from Scripture.

   And while the JE primly states that “the animal is slaughtered and given to the poor…or eaten by the owners while the value is given to the poor”, the reality is much different. In NY, the going price for each chicken in 2007 was $13.00 for the kapporot, grossing potentially $650,000.

   My Presbyterian grandfather was a rancher, and I was a part-time ranch kid. My Greek father carried on the tradition of home-slaughtering and roasting the Paschal lamb or goat for the feast of the Resurrection Day. I know the difference between slaughtering an animal, and then setting down to a festal table with thanksgiving to God for His provision of meat, and that of a deliberate ritual sacrifice.

   I also know how to decently care for an animal, and how to slaughter one humanely for food. Since I am an “omnivore-light”, adhering to Orthodox fasting discipline upwards of 200 days a year abstaining from animal products, during fast-free periods I buy meat from local ranchers and farmers, not commercial grocery stores. Ranch and farm kids generally grow up much more appreciative of God’s provision of food and regard for a creature’s life, and the stewardship and labor it takes to raise an animal for slaughter. You won’t see this waste and callousness on a family ranch or farm.

   It is quite common for a good portion of the kapporot birds, which are packed in crates and shipped several days in advance, to die from lack of water, food, injure themselves and cannibalize each other under the stress, and left in their own feces. As this pre-Yom Kippur cere-money is conducted out on the streets of NY, they are left out in the sun as people buy their chickens. The birds are then killed after the swinging, usually with inadequate washing facilities for the slaughterers or processing the carcasses.

   Quite often, as PETA and other more conscientious Jews complain after addressing the appalling conditions that even exceed commercial processing, after these surviving chickens are killed, they are simply dumped, and then market birds are bought for the poor. Google “kapporot”, you will get the pro’s and con’s of “chicken swinging”, which is practiced throughout many Orthodox and Hasidic Jewish communities.

3. KathJuliane April 30, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

   MSD said: “There is no magical use here. God commanded the Israelites to make sacrifices to him. It says so in your Christian Bible as well as it does any Jews’. Just read it in the five books of Moses. He doesn’t command gentiles to make these sacrifices, so you have no worry there, if you dislike animal slaughtering (which is the same as what’s done in order to provide us with meat at the supermarket).”

   Reply: On the contrary, Talmudism clearly has occult magical components in violation of Scripture. The Jewish Encyclopedia under the same entry clearly indicates otherwise, that there is a kabbalistic or Zohar magical/mystical aspect to “chicken swinging”. Moreover, the Talmudic regulations governing the qualifications of judges, especially in the higher Courts have this interesting portion concerning the physical, moral, and intellectual perfections of the rabbinic judges:

   “We only appoint to a Sanhedrin men of stature, possessed of wisdom and imposing appearance, of mature age, MASTERS OF THE MAGICAL ARTS [emph. Mine] and acquainted with the seventy languages, so that the Sanhedrin does not have to hear a case through the mouth of an interpreter (Sanh. 17a).

   R. Jochanan declared that nobody should be appointed to a seat on the Great Sanhedrin unless, among other qualifications, he HAD A KNOWLEDGE OF SORCERY [“Magic” and “Pharmakea” in the NT, emph. Mine], (Sanh. 17a). The commentator Rashi explains that this knowledge was necessary to put sorcerors to death who relied on their magical skill to escape the penalty inflicted upon them by the Court, and also to expose them when they tried to deceive the judges with their tricks”

   [The Talmud provides ample evidence that all sorts of superstitions and magical knowledge like astrology, divination, witchcraft and sorcery were rife in old Israel. In connection with the decline of the national life before the destruction of Jerusalem there are these statements: “Immorality and sorcery destroyed it all” (Sot. ix 13), and “When those who employed spells as protection against God’s judgment multiplied, the divine wrath came to the world and the Shechinah departed from Israel’ (Tosifta Sot. xiv.3). This is why the Talmud and other Rabbinic writings often blaspheme Jesus and accuse Him of being a sorcerer and a magician, among many other vile and foul slanders.]

   From the same Jewish Encyclopedia entry about the Kapporah:

   http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=101&letter=K

   “The custom has been strongly opposed by such authorities as Nahmanides, Solomon ben Adret, and Joseph Caro as a pagan one in conflict with the spirit of Judaism, which knows of no vicarious sacrifice [the sacrificial sin offerings and atonement sacrifices were commanded by God and were vicarious sacrifices as found in the OT. What an odd thing for the JE to write, but then if you have two rabbis, there will be 9 different opinions.].

   But it was approved by Jehiel b. Asher and by his son Jacob (Ṭur, Oraḥ Ḥayyim, 95), and by Samson b. Zadok and others who followed the authority of Hai Gaon and other geonim (see the literature in “Bet Yosef” to Ṭur, l.c.)”.

   “The ritual APPEALED ESPECIALLY TO CABALISTS [emphasis mine], such as Isaiah Horowitz and Isaac Luria [a “practical cabalist” or occult magician], who recommended the selection of a white cock with reference to Isa. i. 18, and who found other mystic allusions in the prescribed formulas. Consequently the practise became general among the Jews of eastern Europe (see Isserles, “Darke Mosheh” on Ṭur, l.c.), and the word “kapparah,” as a connotation for a thing that is sacrificed, is quite prominent in the Judæo-German dialect (see Tendlau, “Sprichwörter und Redensarten,” 1860, No. 198).

   Sacrificed by an Elder.
   As the reason for the particular preference for a chicken as a vicarious offering, it is stated by the Geonim (quoted by Asheri on Yoma viii., No. 23) that it was suggested by the use of the Aramaic word “geber” for both “man” and “cock.” [Zoharists also preferred an “ape”, as this creature was the closest to man].

   Some rich people, however, would occasionally take a ram instead, with reference to the ram of Isaac (Gen. xxii. 13). It appears, moreover, from the passage last cited that originally a “sheliaḥ” (=”an elect officer of the community”) officiated as the atoning priest at the ceremony. Accordingly a saint or elder of MYSTIC POWER [emphasis mine] is still recommended for the purpose in “Kol Bo,” lxviii.”

   Neither in traditional Eastern Christian families when a father slaughters an animal as a part of a home or communal rite for a sacred festal meal (and in the Old World may still do for the Pascha of the Lord), nor even among Muslims according to their own religious traditions concerning a community feast, is the sacrificed animal considered the means of vicarious atonement, but simply that of a celebratory act of thanksgiving and blessing accompanied by prayers, and not owing to “mystic power”.

4. KathJuliane May 1, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

   “MSD said: “Most of what you say is entirely wrong. Judaism is the same religion it always was.”

   Reply: This Judaism was very different from the religion of the ancient Israelites. The late Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, who was the Chief Rabbi of the United States, expressed this conclusively when he said: “The return from Babylon, and the adoption of the Babylonian Talmud, marks the end of Hebrewism, and the beginning of Judaism.”

   [Not quite true, historically. The Galileans, Samaritans, Essenes, Sadducee party, a good portion of the “idiot” or “rustic” priesthood and Levites abiding in the rural areas of the district of Judea, and numerous independent synagogues, like the Bereans, not under Rabbinic Pharisee control, adhered to the ancient Hebraic faith, and considered only the Written Law of Moses as divinely inspired and authoritative, not the “Oral Law” of the Pharisees.]

   The Jewish Encyclopedia tells us that the Talmud is actually “the product of the Palestinian and Babylonian schools” and is generally referred to as “the Babylonian Talmud”.

   Dr. Boaz Cohen in Everyman’s Talmud states the Talmud is the work of “numerous Jewish scholars over a period of some 700 years, roughly speaking, between 200 [B.C.] and 500 [A.D.].”

   Rabbi Louis Finkelstein in Volume 1 of The Pharisees, the Sociological Background of their Faith says, “Pharisaism became Talmudism, Talmudism became Medieval Rabbinism, and Medieval Rabbinism became Modern Rabbinism. But throughout these changes of name, inevitable adaption of custom, and adjustment of Law, the spirit of the ancient Pharisee survives unaltered.”

   According to The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. VIII, (1942) p.474 : “The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without a break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees. Their leading ideas and methods found expression in a literature of enormous extent, of which a very great deal is still in existence. The Talmud is the largest and most important single member of that literature.”

   Moshe Menuhim explains that the Babylonian Talmud embodied all the laws and legends, all the history and ‘science,’ all the theology and folklore, of all the past ages in Jewish life — a monumental work of consolidation. In the Talmud, Jewish scholarship and idealism found their exclusive outlet and preoccupation all through the ages, all the way up to the era of Enlightenment. It became the principal guide to life and object of study, and it gave Judaism unity, cohesion and resilience throughout the dark ages.

   The Talmud, more than any other literature, so defined Judaism that Rabbi Ben Zion Bokser admitted, “Judaism is not the religion of the Bible.” (Judaism and the Christian Predicament, 1966, p.159)

   It is the Talmud that guides the life and spirit of the Jewish people.

   “The Talmud is to this day the circulating heart’s blood of the Jewish religion. Whatever laws, customs, or ceremonies we [Jews] observe — whether we are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform or merely spasmodic sentimentalists — we follow the Talmud. It is our common law.” (A History of the Jews, Solomon Grayzel).

   Excerpts from: The Myth of a Judeo-Christian Tradition, New Dawn Magazine No. 23 Feb-March 1994
   http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4803.htm

5. KathJuliane May 1, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

   Reply: The Myth of a Judeo-Christian Tradition
   http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4803.htm

   The following article from New Dawn Magazine No.23 Feb-March 1994.

   “This is an age in which news has been superseded by propaganda, and education by brain-washing and indoctrination. From the advertising used to sell poor quality goods, to the classes in schools designed to make children into conditioned robots of the State, the art of persuasion has displaced the simple virtue of truth.

   Since the end of the Second World War we have been bombarded from all sides with references to the Western world’s “Judeo-Christian religion,” and “our Judeo-Christian heritage.” We are told by both church leaders and scholars that our society is based on a supposed “Judeo-Christian tradition”.

   The notion of “Judeo-Christian religion” is an unquestioned — almost sacrosanct — part of both secular and church thinking. American Christian leader Prof. Franklin H. Littel, a vocal supporter of the Zionist state, frankly declared that “to be Christian is to be Jewish,” and that consequently it was the duty of a Christian to put support for the “land of Israel” above all else. Pat Boon, the North American singer and evangelist, said there are two kinds of Judaism, one Orthodox and the other Christian.

   Yet such a decidedly Christian Zionist outlook is to say the least, wildly simplistic and profoundly ahistorical. As the astute Jewish writer, Joshua J. Adler, points out, “The differences between Christianity and Judaism are much more than merely believing in whether the messiah already appeared or is still expected, as some like to say.”

   The comments of Jewish author Mr. S. Levin may well explain the Christian’s need for the Judeo-Christian myth. Writing in the Israeli journal Biblical Polemics, Levin concludes: “‘After all, we worship the same God’, the Christian always says to the Jew and the Jew never to the Christian. The Jew knows that he does not worship the Christ-God but the Christian orphan needs to worship the God of Israel and so, his standard gambit rolls easily and thoughtlessly from his lips. It is a strictly unilateral affirmation, limited to making a claim on the God of Israel but never invoked with reference to other gods. A Christian never confronts a Moslem or a Hindu with ‘After all, we worship the same God’.”

   Back in 1992 both Newsweek magazine and the Israeli Jerusalem Post newspaper simultaneously printed extensive articles scrutinising the roots of the sacrosanct Judeo-Christian honeymoon!

   The statement heading the Newsweek article read: “Politicians appeal to a Judeo-Christian tradition, but religious scholars say it no longer exists.” The Jerusalem Post article’s pull quote announced: “Antisemitism is a direct result of the Church’s teachings, which Christians perhaps need to re-examine.”

   “For scholars of American religion,” Newsweek states, “the idea of a single Judeo-Christian tradition is a made-in-America myth that many of them no longer regard as valid.” It quotes eminent Talmudic scholar Jacob Neusner: “Theologically and historically, there is no such thing as the Judeo-Christian tradition. It’s a secular myth favoured by people who are not really believers themselves.”

   Newsweek cites authorities who indicate that “the idea of a common Judeo-Christian tradition first surfaced at the end of the 19th century but did not gain popular support until the 1940s, as part of an American reaction to Nazism . . ,” and concludes that, “Since then, both Jewish and Christian scholars have come to recognize that — geopolitics apart — Judaism and Christianity are different, even rival religions.”

   “…Joshua Jehouda, a prominent French Jewish leader, observed in the late 1950s: “The current expression ‘Judaeo-Christian’ is an error which has altered the course of universal history by the confusion it has sown in men’s minds, if by it one is meant to understand the Jewish origin of Christianity . . . If the term ‘Judaeo-Christian’ does point to a common origin, there is no doubt that it is a most dangerous idea.

   It is based on a ‘contradictio in abjecto’ which has set the path of history on the wrong track. It links in one breath two ideas which are completely irreconcileable, it seeks to demonstrate that there is no difference between day and night or hot and cold or black and white, and thus introduces a fatal element of confusion to a basis on which some, nevertheless, are endeavouring to construct a civilisation.” (l’Antisemitisme Miroir du Monde pp. 135-6).

6. KathJuliane May 1, 2009 @ 9:49 pm

   http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4803.htm

   The following article from New Dawn Magazine No.23 Feb-March 1994. (con’t)

   What is the Truth?

   Is there then any truth in this term, “Judeo-Christian”? Is Christianity derived from Judaism? Does Christianity have anything in common with Judaism?

   Reviewing the last two thousand years of Western Christian history there is really no evidence of a Judeo-Christian tradition and this has not escaped the attention of honest Christian and Jewish commentators.

   The Jewish scholar Dr. Joseph Klausner in his book Jesus of Nazareth expressed the Judaic viewpoint that “there was something contrary to the world outlook of Israel” in Christ’s teachings, “a new teaching so irreconcilable with the spirit of Judaism, ” containing “within it the germs from which there could and must develop in course of time a non-Jewish and even anti-Jewish teaching.”

   [Judaism is derived from Talmudism which is derived from Phariseeism, the very same as Jesus Christ pronounced the grand indictment of “woes” against. Christ’s teachings were contrary to the “world outlook” of Phariseeism and the Rabbis, not “Israel” and the Hebraic tradition based on the Written Torah of Moses.]

   Dr. Klausner quotes the outstanding Christian theologian, Adolf Harnack, who in his last work rejected the hypothesis of the Jewish origin of Christ’s doctrine: “Virtually every word He taught is made to be of permanent and universal humanitarian interest. The Messianic features are abolished entirely, and virtually no importance is attached to Judaism in its capacity of Jesus’ environment.” [Judaism proposes the Jews as their own messiah, especially among the Chabad Lubavitchers, the Hasidic and ultra-Orthodox Jews.]

   … The first misconception means: “When the affinity of the Jesus coterie with Judaism is evaluated by common faith in the One, severed from the believer’s duty to execute the Law of the One and to acknowledge the Chosen Nation of Israel as His instrument-faith in the One becomes anti-Judaism par excellence!”

   In Gershon Mamlak’s view, “The conflict between Judaism and the Jesus tradition goes beyond the confines of theology. [The Jesus tradition]-(sic) was the cosmopolitan renunciation of the national phenomenon in general and extreme hostility to Israel’s idea of a Chosen Nation as the divine instrument for the perfection of the world.” [A “chosen nation” as the perfector of the world did not enter into Rabbinic thinking until about the 10th century AD, but I may be wrong on my dates. Prior to that, even in Talmudic thinking, the Jewish Messiah was at least an individual person. Rabbi Akiva in fact anointed Bar Kochba as the Jewish King-Messiah in his day. Kj]

   Evidently the concept of a common Judeo-Christian tradition has more to do with post 1945 politics and a certain amount of ‘public relations’ than it does with historical and Biblical reality. Never the less a number of modern Christian polemicists have managed to rest certain New Testament verses in the drive to give a Scriptural basis to their argument.

   Confusion over the origin of Rabbinic Judaism and Christianity is the root of the Judeo-Christian myth.

   Biblical scholars Robert and Mary Coote clearly show in their book Power, Politics and the Making of the Bible that neither is Christianity a patched up Judaism, nor is Rabbinic Judaism automatically synonymous with the religion of Moses and the old Hebrews.

   The Cootes’ illustrate the religious climate in Judea two millennia ago: “The cults, practices, and scriptures of both groups, rabbis and bishops, differed from those of the temple; thus we reserve the terms Jew, Jewish, and Judaism for the rabbis and those under their rule and use Judean, contrary to custom, for the common source of Judaism and Christianity….”

   “Despite the ostensible merging of Judean and Jew even in certain New Testament passages and by the rabbis who became rulers of Palestine in the third century and continued to use Hebrew and Aramaic more than Greek, the roots of Christianity were not Jewish. Christianity did not derive from the Judaism of the Pharisees, but emerged like Judaism from the wider Judean milieu of the first century. Both Christians and Jews stemmed from pre-70 Judean-ism as heirs of groups that were to take on the role of primary guardians or interpreters of scripture as they developed on parallel tracks in relation to each other.” (Power, Politics, and the Making of the Bible).

   The few New Testament ‘proof texts’ utilised by Christian Zionists and secular proponents of the modern Judeo-Christian myth are the product of poor translation. Messianic Jewish writer Malcolm Lowe in his paper “Who Are the Ioudaioi?” concludes, like Robert and Mary Coote, that the Greek word “Ioudaioi” in the New Testament should be translated as “Judeans”, rather than the more usual “Jews”. The Israeli scholar David Stern also came to the same conclusion when translating the Jewish New Testament.

7. Fr. Joseph May 2, 2009 @ 8:35 am

   “YHWH your God will raise up for you a prophet like myself, from among yourselves, from your own brothers; TO HIM YOU MUST LISTEN. This is what you yourselves asked of YHWH your God at Horeb on the day of the Assembly. ‘Do not let me hear again’ you said ‘the Voice of YHWH my God, nor look any longer on this great fire, or I shall die’; and YHWH said to me, ‘All they have spoken is well said. I (YHWH) will raise up a prophet like yourself from them from their own brothers; I will put My Words into His mouth and He shall tell them all I command Him. The man who does not listen to My Words that He speaks in My Name, shall be held answerable to Me for it.”
   – The Torah – Deuteronomy 18:15-19

   “Suddenly Moses and Elijah appeared to them…and from the cloud came a Voice which said ‘This is My Son, the Beloved; He enjoys My favour. Listen to Him.” – Matthew 17:4-5

   “Do not imagine that I am going to accuse you before the Father; you place your hopes on Moses and Moses will be your accuser. If you really believed him you would believe me too, since it was I that he was writing about (Dt. 18:15-19); but if you refuse to believe what he wrote, how can you believe what I say?” – John 5:45-47

   – Fr. Joseph

8. jonah May 2, 2009 @ 12:51 pm

   It is the JEWISH house of Rothschild who are the world’s prime racists. Israel is the most racist nation on Earth- and if not stopped (by force) will ignite World War 3 in the Middle East.

   Jonas
   California USA
   http://jonastheprophet.tk
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9. Rich P. May 6, 2009 @ 9:03 am

   This is in response to a section of text within the April 30th post about sorcery and magic within Judaism. Though I agree very much that none of this is legal according to the Torah, as a student of hermetic wisdom, I must put this error to rest.

   The lines between sorcery and acceptable ritual in the bible are not clear, and anyone who is in the least bit familliar with mystical practices world wide will immediately notice the magical ritualistic influence upon all of the books contained within the tradition of abraham, from genesis to koran. It is only in what are called “inspired works” which come from out side of cannonized and commonly accepted theological texts that we finally find an adequate definition.

   The difference is solely this, that sorcery or witch-craft is a practice which has betrayed secret knowledge, or someone who has taken up the practice for personal gain as all ritual work under a spiritual/religious context must (according to the law of all faiths) be practiced solely for the “Glory of God.” With this being said the term used for sorcery and witch-craft are similar in meaning to what the more modern trem of “warlock” is meant. Even so, I’m not saying this as a defense of aborrent zionist practice, merely to correct a misunderstanding of the text.

   It is quite evident that these “secret arts” of the western tradition have been grossly abused by the zionist community and are a dreadful stain upon all sincere practioners of the science. But what more could you want from such a people as base as these, who even in their own scripture express how incompetent they are to bear such knowledge.

   The old Alchemists said ” God forbid this science ever become known to militant nations, lest the world be destroyed,” and with the zionist nation that is exactly what has happened. After all Jerusalem was originally a military outpost for Egyptian campaigns into Babylon long before the “jews” came to settle it, for this I refer one to the writings of Ahmed Osman.

   It is not that the bible is wrong, but a perfect testament to what happens when a pure knowledge is put into the hands of a people incapeable of understanding it, and I quote:

   “The unprepared and the unfit could not rise to the challenge of thinking. A man cannot use wisely a knowledge which is beyond hs comprehension. What he cannot use he abuses. What he cannot understand he misunderstands. The result is a general collapse of the esoteric tradition. From this the world has not yet recovered. We are plagued to this day with the misunderstandings which resulted from the collapse of the pagan mystery schools” (Manly Palmer Hall ” Philosophy of Astrology”).

   From this statement, as well as an understanding of ancient history of when this collapse occured it is evident that at one time all of the world suffered from such an epidemic of immorality toward life, religion, and esotericism, however it is also evident that the zionist pharisee has perpetuated this practice toward a racist agenda of self gain throughout all of history for that last 2,000 years, give or take a century or two.

10. Fr. Joseph May 8, 2009 @ 9:06 am

    Dear Rich P.

    Our Lord, God Incarnate said

    “If your brother does something wrong, go and have it out with him alone, between your two selves.” – Matthew 18:15

    The World’s Problem, that is, the Human Race’s Problem is that it has accepted ESOTERIC spiritual doctrines rather than EXOTERIC ones.

    Exoteric Doctine – ‘Of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you are NOT to eat, for on that day you eat it you shall most surely die.’ – Gensis 2:17

    Esoteric Doctrine – ‘It asked the woman, ‘Did God really say you were NOT to eat from any of the trees in the garden?…No! You will not die! God knows in fact that on the day you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, knowing good and evil.’ – Genesis 3:1-5

    God Incarnate Himself said

    “Man does not live on bread alone, but on every Word that comes from the Mouth of God.” citing Deuteronomy 8:3

    When God said ‘Let US make man in OUR Own Image, in the Likeness of OURSELVES, and let them be masters of all upon the earth’ God is referring to His Triune Nature.

    EXO means ‘from out of’ and TER means ‘three’. Hence, EXOTERIC spiritual doctrines are those Divine Doctrines eminating from the TRIUNE Godhead.

    – Fr. Joseph

11. Fr. Joseph May 8, 2009 @ 9:14 am

    Dear Rich P.

    In the book of Ecclesiasticus, we read

    “Do NOT try to understand things that are too difficult for you, or TRY TO DISCOVER what is beyond your powers. Concentrate on what has been ASSIGNED to you, you have no need to worry over mysteries. DO NOT MEDDLE with matters that are beyond you; what you have been taught already exceeds the scope of the human mind. For many have been misled by their own presumption, and wrong-headed opinions have warped their ideas.”
    – Ecclesiasticus 3:21-24

    The Apostle St. Paul puts it in another way

    “Have nothing to do with the pointless philosophical discussions and ‘antagnostic beliefs’ of the ‘knowledge’ (gnosis – parens mine) which is not knowledge at all; by adopting this, some have gone away from the Faith.” – 1 Timothy 6:20

    If we have God Incarnate Himself in the Person of Jesus, the Christ, Who Himself was FILLED with the Spirit of God Himself, then what need does one have seeking after the ‘gnosis’ of the Rosicrucians, Masons, Qabbalists and Hermetic orders?

    To reject Jesus Christ AS God Incarnate Himself, implying that His Words ARE the spoken Words of the Thoughts of God Himself, that rejection IS the ‘spirit of the anti-Christ’!

    – Fr. Joseph

12. Fr. Joseph May 8, 2009 @ 9:21 am

    Dear Rich P.

    A final analysis of ALL esoteric doctrines, pseudo-spiritual sciences as some call them, of gnosis and gnosticism in whatever form they assume – Masonic, Rosicrucian, Hermetic, Qabbalist – have at their core, their foundation, TWO principle tenents.

    First is the search for ‘spiritual regeneration’.

    Second is the belief of mankind’s ‘infinite perfectibility’

    The Fall of Mankind in ACCEPTING Satan’s lies about NOT SPIRITUALLY DYING accounts for our entire human race’s innate acknowledgement of our human nature’s incarnate spiritual nature of ‘regeneration’.

    This lingering thought in Mankind’s self of the possibility of ‘infinite perfectibility’ is the lingering spiritual ECHO within Mankind that he, she and they can become ‘gods and goddesses’ IF they have the ‘secret knowledge’.

    The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Faith of the Lord’s CHRISTIAN Church makes spiritual regeneration overtly and publicly available via the Sacrament of Baptism.

    And the Resurrection of Christ Jesus from the dead and His Transfiguration gives us all the overtly open and public demonstration that God Himself INTENDS to bestow on members of the Human Race, Christ’s disciples, the Divine Nature at their Resurrection at the Lord Jesus’ Second Coming.

    – Fr. Joseph

13. Fr. Joseph May 8, 2009 @ 9:29 am

    Dear Rich P.

    It was back in March, 1932 at the King George V hotel in Paris, France, that the leading esoteric-gnostic-occult organizations throughout our contemporary World, Masonic, Rosicrucian, Hermetic and Qabbalistic met together and entire into a mutual spiritual alliance.

    Their goals?

    Of primary concern was the destruction of the Catholic Church and her influence over millions upon millions of souls in what was previously known as the ‘Western Christian Civilization’ and TO REPLACE the underlying EXOTERIC doctrines, beliefs, practices, mores, and social customs and norms with ESOTERIC spiritual beliefs and practices.

    Secondly, their intention was expressed as restoring the ‘Holy Gnostic Church’ which was driven almost to complete extinction by Constantine the Roman Emporer.

    Rich P., as U.S. 5 Star General Douglas MacArthur so succintly put it in his own words

    “The World Struggle is NOT political or economic. Rather, it is RELIGIOUS and THEOLOGICAL. It is either God (and His EXOTERIC doctrines, teaching and Divine Self-Revelation to us all in the Person of God Incarnate, Jesus, the Christ) or atheism (the manifold types of satanic inspired ESOTERIC doctrines, teachings and elemental spiritual self revelation).”

    As St. Paul called the latter them – “doctrines of the devil”.

    – Fr. Joseph

14. Fr. Joseph May 8, 2009 @ 9:37 am

    Dear Rich P.

    “Some came forward to admit in detail ho they had used spells and a number of them who had practiced magic collected their books and made A BONFIRE of them in public. The value of these was calculated to be fifty thousand silver pieces. In this way the (exoteric – parens mine) Word of the Lord spread more and more widely and successfully.” – Acts 19:18-20

    Just check out our contemporary ‘World’.

    The Christian Faith is literally BANNED in many countries and nations of our contemporary World – and in the rest of nation-states, the Christian Faith is OPENLY mocked, denounced, insulted left and right day in and day out.

    The ESOTERIC Rosicrucians, Masons, Hermetic Orders and Qabbalists ARE spiritually INDOCTRINATING millions upon millions of human beings created in the Image and Likeness of God Himself into REJECTING the very Divine Savior that God the Father HIMSELF sent into our World in His Incarnate Nature!

    And if they SUCCEED in getting a thermonuclear Third World War LAUNCHED, within a matter of mere hours Satan and the evil elemental spiritual demons will have ‘HARVESTED’ millions upon millions of human being to spend all of their eternity with them in HELL forever!

    “We have a VERY BIG PROBLEM on our hands as a Human Race!”

    – Fr. Joseph

15. Hoff May 20, 2009 @ 1:22 am

    Who are the warmongering bastards: The global jew mafia or Iran?

    “Olmert at AIPAC: United with Bush on Iran”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nASOniM65Lg

    “Ahmadinejad Greeted by Anti-Zionist Jews in New York” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_XAeqtY7Sk

16. Hoff May 20, 2009 @ 1:23 am

    “‘JINSA’ article says outlets who oppose future wars should be silenced—killed if necessary—by military strike”

    http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/pro-israel_mouthpiece_178.html

    “Even talking to the Iranians, in any context, is considered by the Israelis to be an “existential” threat to the Jewish state, ”

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2009/04/30/the-lobby-wants-war/

    “Three bills were recently introduced in Congress that some say are designed to provoke a war with Iran.”

    http://ut.alternativeconservative.com/2009/05/iran-nuclear-weapons-terrorism/

17. Hoff May 20, 2009 @ 1:24 am

    This is how the jew mafia started ww one and ww2, they boycotted, they scared the crap out of people via their propaganda machine. Ww1 was about two thing to the jews, take over Russia and take over Palestine. 


    The communist jews was sponsered by the richest jews there was. The jews don’t care if you call it communism or capitalism as long as the jews controls the state. They can’t do it themself, they need help from stupid goyim, what the jews calls Useful Idiots, thas why they came up with the two jewish frauds Communism and zionism.


    l know some staunch anti-comminists but they are diehard goyim zionists. Anyway the jews turn they get stupid goyim helping them take over the state. Once the jews are in the state they start to kick out anyone that don’t do as the jews say. They did that in Sovjet and they are doing it in America 2oo9.
What the jew mafia wants is a global police state, paid and executed by gullible americans. What are the jews doing in America and EU? They are tearing away all nations. That is the prime gole for communism, to tear down all borders and all nation.
A jew explains how and what judaism is all about – best ever. One min video:

    
http://www.wntube.net/play.php?vid=1262




    “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.”
    Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]

18. Hoff May 20, 2009 @ 2:45 am

    “Project for the New American Century (PNAC) Part 1”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSPqto796Lc&feature=channel_page

    What do the jews hate? The truth. Here is why the jew mafia HATES lran’s president. Thats why the jew mafia hated Hitler. Anyone telling the truth about the criminal jew mafia is a New Hitler.

    “Israelis Are Not Jews and American Leaders Are Not Christian”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrWguVsEih0&feature=channel_page

19. Rich P. May 20, 2009 @ 6:38 am

    Fr. Joseph,
    I apologize for offending you. It is not that I do not believe in the sanctity of the “exoteric” tradition, merely that there is truly an underlying current which is every faith’s life blood exists very much in the tradition of Abraham. I myself am a very devoted and practicing Catholic and want nothing more that to see the tradition of Abraham accepted throughout the entire world free of the atrocious oppressions which it is met with world wide.

    However, evangelism has scarred its image in the modern age, and our very own Church did a good job of it on it’s own in the previous age. All of which has been caused by people with the “mob mentality” following an extremist, fundamentalist practice of exoteric faith which denies any other possible understanding of their faith outside of their own, very misinformed, interpretation.

    An excellent example of this occurs in our very own text, the Israelites toward Moses and Aaron! Moses ascends the mountain to be with alone with God (the actual meaning of the term “esoteric”) and the people who recognize the presence of God soon deny it and take it upon themselves to make their own idol to worship, still in God’s presence mind you.

    I find it interesting that you cite lines from both from Genesis to describe (under your definition) two completely different ideals. I would like to see where it is said anywhere in the Bible or related texts that the serpent of Eden is the one who gave us esotericism. Truly what is meant by the word esoteric is not “occult” or purposefully hidden knowledge, actually it is exactly the opposite.

    Esoteric is a term which in the modern world denotes what in the ancient world meant gnosis.” “Gnosis” does not simply mean “knowledged” in actuality the true interpretation of the word implies a knowledge which comes from ones own direct and personal experience with God and His kingdom. See amongst those who do not approach the word of God and the world with bigotry it is deeply understood that esotericism could not exist without exotericism, and vise versa, and that the two undoubtedly support each other.

    Also, if one would take the time to truly research real western esoteric understanding which goes under the term “hermeticism,” one would also realize that it is forbidden for any society of hermetics to be established, and that any who do such things (if one would take the time to research), are always out with ulterior motives such as money and power hence the fall of the “Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.”

    It is understood by every true hermeticist that our journey is a solitary one, steeped in deep study of scripture (God) and oneself. The only communication we share is through our works, such as, writings, art, or poetry. If one were to truly embark on such a journey they would find it very curious and interesting to note how they could receive and insight, intuition, or revelation from God in their own life, to come across at some later (sometimes much much later) date writings from thousands to just a few years ago, which express on paper the exact revelation they received thus confirming the existence of a community of sorts, and personal confirmation to boot.

    You see hermeticism and gnosis are what the Sufi’s and common Muslims call the “primordial religion” which is entirely personal, between oneself and He who is Most High. That is not to say that it is with-out an exoteric, organized aspect, but that that exoteric tradition would be void of truth without inner confirmation from our own private relationship with Christ. Like wise, esotericism would be void of truth if it were not for the existence of an organized community which has experienced the same truth coming together to give praise to this amazing life given to us by God.

    It is those who with ill-understanding of that which has been forced or conditioned upon them, who try to tip the scales to one side or the other and deceive the populace. Not that those who have not had “esoteric” experience are not welcomed into exoteric expressions of faith, rather they are encouraged to do so, so that by the grace of God they may revive the light as well.

    But please leave the preaching to the real preachers, i.e. the Prophets. However, once again we see what happens to prophets, they are accused of witchcraft and sorcery by the mob of fundamentalists and denied the ability to preach the word of God to his people, thus they go underground where their teachings will be heard with less open persecution in the hopes that by God’s grace those who were mint to receive the light of Christ will.

    For further study of this topic I will refer you to two texts. The first and most important is ” Meditations on the Tarot: a journey into Christian Hermeticism” written anonymously and of which a copy was owned and very loved by our last Pope, Pope John Paul II. This next text, there is no need to buy, just go to any Borders Bookstore (they almost always have a copy) and get a coffee of whatever and read the first book of “Three Books on Occult Philosophy by Henri Cornelius Agrippa” Translated and edited into a new edition by Donald Tyson.

    In that first book is a beautiful description of what magic really is, and it’s true aim, as well as a few letters sent to Agrippa by various Princes and Bishops of the time which are very enlightening, most of the rest of the book is utter madness in many respects, and there are much better books on similar topics out there if one is interested, rather than trying to sort out the “oats from the chaff.”

    Now I feel that I have taken up much too much space for an unrelated topic regarding this web page, dedicated to showing the deception of Secular Judaism, and would like to respectfully resume the discussion on said topic.

    I wish no offense and originally intended to correct a simple and minor misunderstanding, then was coaxed into defending that correction. There will be no more responses after this one, thank you.

    -Rich P.