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Ben Carson’s Fractured Foreign Policy
By Brother Nathanael Kapner
Copyright September 2015
When it comes to pleasing the Jews the nonsense keeps piling higher.
And Ben Carson slices it in big gobs of fantasy.
This one takes the cake.
[Clip: “America has always been like Israel’s big brother going through a tough neighborhood. Now if you abandon your little brother in that tough neighborhood, he’s gonna get picked on a lot.”]
Last time I checked the only ones getting “picked on” are Palestinian babies whose bodies are burned alive by Jewish settlers in the occupied territories.
It’s a blame game that gets Jewish money and Jewish votes.
[Clip: “I have had a chance to look at a lot of material on not only al Qaeda, but the radical Islamic movement in general.”
“What is the origin of their rage, in your view?”
“Well, first of all, you have to recognize they go back to the battle between Jacob and Esau.”]
Islam comes from Esau? Last time I checked it came from Muhammad 2500 years later.
But don’t confuse zio-christians with facts.
[Clip: “This was Carson’s first trip to the Holy Land.”
“It’s really a fact-finding mission. You hear so many things you read so many things but until you can actually experience it yourself and see for yourself, you really don’t have the proper perspective.”
“To get that first-hand perspective, Carson paid a house call to Hadassah Israel’s premiere hospital. During his fact-finding mission, Israelis told Carson they’re concerned about relations with the US.”
“It’s sort of like your brother is going to school in a real tough neighborhood and you want to make sure he gets there safely and gets back home safely, so you walk with him. And then suddenly you say; ‘You’re on your own.”]
Bull. Israel’s armed to the teeth and waging genocide ‘on their own’ while strapped Palestinian hospitals are filled with mutilated victims of Jewish aggression.
But Carson prefers Hadassah Hospital where Jews get nose jobs and face lifts.
A little humility goes a long way. But not with Ben.
[Clip: “Dr. Carson, but you know, Muhammad lives in 632AD. How do you go back to Jacob and Esau, which are BC?
“I’m just saying that the conflict has been ongoing for thousands of years.”
“So it’s not specific to the Islamic faith or?”
“Well, the Islamic faith emanated from Esau.”]
Like I say, the Bible in the mouth of zio-christians is a dangerous thing.
Perhaps Isaac and Ishmael have some remote link to present day Jews and Arabs but not as Carson spins it.
It is a “land issue.” The Jews stole Arab lands, period.
Biblical ownership of the land was always tied to God’s call for justice.
“What does the Lord require of you?” taught the prophet Micah. “To do justice and walk humbly with thy God.”
But due to arrogance and injustice the Jews were exiled, and after crucifying Christ, disinherited.
Nowhere do Christ and the Apostles speak about a return to the land with an exclusive Jewish polity.
Just the opposite. “Your house is left unto you desolate,” pronounced Christ.
No priesthood, no temple, no continued line of David, it’s over.
Yet Jews tout the creation of Israel in 1948 as a ‘miracle of God.’
If driving out a people from their ancestral land, poisoning their wells, and stealing their orchards is a ‘miracle of God’ then Jews make God an accomplice to murder and theft.
Oh, Carson’s “not against” a Palestinian State but wants to “slip” it into Egypt.
How about we slip the crappy State of Israel into Manhattan—it’s already ‘Hymie Town’—and have our bought politicians pledge their oaths of allegiance to Israel there?
It’ll save taxpayers tons of money and relief for a Jew-weary world.
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Carson needs to be brought down a peg.
It’s one thing to be weak on modern foreign policy, he’s been a physician in life-long practice, not a politician, with no state or national congressional experience, and he’s got some time to get an idea as well as find really good, objective foreign policy experts.
But crikey, Doc, naively basing your foreign policy on a) how nice the Jews are to your face when you go to Israel just so they get you hooked early; and b) not only invoking a Biblical history that you never read, but erroneous history altogether is inexcusable and a recipe for total disaster.
Doc, the psychopathic Zionist Nationalist “baby brother” is over 67 years old.
It’s time for “big brother,” the US of AIPAC, to cut the umbilical cord and let the Jews figure it out for themselves how their little Jewish realm of cowardly bullies will survive in such a “tough neighborhood”.
And +BN, what a great idea “slipping” that crappy little Zionist entity over into Manhattan. I’m all for it.
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Sick of all these unprincipled politicians who will say anything to get Israel’s “blessing”!
What do Jews REALLY think about the American people? Well, read their own words. Must see!
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Though Israel is a famously fractious society, Israelis tend to agree on one thing: Their strongest supporters are an inherently dupable people.
http://forward.com/news/israel/216074/what-do-israelis-think-about-americans-start-with/
Ben Carson obviously has been attending churches that ignorantly exalt Israel and blame conflicts on to Edomites, descendants from Esau and where are such? Not from Khazaria.
God removed Edom and its people for good.
As for this hankering after a doctrine that uses the old hatred of Esau against Jacob as a reason for there being even the present day Jews, Old Testament times are over.
I did think the Arabs descended from Abraham (Semites) througth Ishmael who was blessed by his father!
It is ironical that the Jews despise their so-called Ethiopian Black fellow Jews whose claim to such is farcical – and welcome Ben.
Stranger still it is that many American Black churches carry a zeal for ‘We love Israel’.
Yes, Christians should love israel but the right Israel. The old one came to a final end in August, A.D.70.
The wrath of the Son of Man had been outpoured.
The Israel to be loved is that one described by Paul:’For neither is circumcision nor the omission of it anything’ but a new nature is everything. May all who rule their conduct by this principle find peace and mercy – they who are the Israel of God’.
Where is Ben’s Christian sense of righteousness when the cruelties against the Palestinians both Christians and Moslems have been such that they amount to War Crimes?
God despised those who once in His former nation of Israel in the land then allowed them, would perform religious acts such as fasting, with fighting, quarrelling and oppressing their fellow inhabitants.
Where does that leave these so-called Christian Zionists? (There is no such thing as a Zionist Christian).
The New Testament Church of Jesus Christ did not embrace such.
Ben and the multitude of fellow believers in their usual End-Time doctrines have been deceived and know it not, sadly.
One hopes many of them will see the light of truth.
POWERFUL, dear brother Nathanael, to the pulling down of strongholds!
All glory and honor to our Warrior King, Jesus!
His chosen…PREPARE FOR BATTLE! Greater is He who is in us, than he who is in the world.
I sensed the whimpering of Satan today, who is being forced to have to listen to the commands of Christ upon His people. He has no power over they who have answered God’s call…READ PSALM 91
Haddie’s Musings
September 9, 2015
My second walk, on Chandler Mountain, with my Father and Son and Holy Spirit…and the remainder of the day, on into the wee hours…:-)
It began, early afternoon, with an overpowering push from Jesus to go for a walk. I had to obey. Do you know why? Because, prior to that push, I was so beat down physically and mentally, and dwelling on my whoa-is-me’s. Discouragement had knocked and I said, Welcome!…and was letting it have its way, that is, until that forceful push.
Brothers and sisters, suffice it to say, I was departed from my first love, Jesus, my Lord and Saviour. No, I hadn’t stopped loving Him, I just stopped trusting and depending upon Him for, and with, my every fiber of life. I obeyed because I knew only He could free me from the tempter’s snare…Where do I go, Lord? You alone have the words of Life!
Praise His holy name, feat accomplished! He is mighty to the pulling down of strongholds. And, guess what, dear ones to the Lord, and to me, together…we are to pull down every stronghold that has His people chained. WE are called to be more than conquerors! We are chosen to be warriors of the Almighty King, Jesus!
One puts a thousand to flight, two puts ten-thousand to flight…WE MUST UNITE to see victory. No man is an island.
In the spiritual realm the continual war has progressed from the time of our first parents’ folly, even until now. Only now, it’s becoming more and more apparent as the snapshots of hell are being displayed rampantly, proudly, arrogantly and diligently. It is a war for the souls of man!
We have an enemy, folks, and I’m here to tell ya, IT”S SERIOUS! Life or death…plain and simple. This mortal life is but a breath and eternity follows…after death is judgment, and we can only prepare here in this mortal vale.
Thank You Father! Thank you blessed Savior! Thank You Holy Spirit! How lovingly you have dispelled the darkness Satan tried to inflict to my harm. Thank You, Lord, that You silenced my heart to hear Your Voice softly calling, “This is the way, walk ye in it.” What a Companion You have been to me!
Repeat after me: I Take Your Yoke Upon Me And I hunger And Thirst To Learn Of You. For I Know Abundance Is You.
You, Mighty King, are Thee Warrior King! Make Your chosen ones mighty in Your strength. Warriors of Excellence, Purity, and Valor! I will not cease from thanking You for such wonderful provision.
When my brother-in-law Jackie passed, our Lord gave me a song for our family. I can remember only the first verse of two. 2’s in a notebook somewhere, waiting to be found. Verse one goes like this:
Jesus, I know you will carry us through…
And, Jesus, I know You know our hearts, too…
And there is no condemnation for regrets and forgets,
Jesus, I know You will carry us through.
Oh, dear ones, how wonderfully special His help has been, and I want to invite each one of you to take my (His) challenge. 🙂 That being, to turn your eyes upon Jesus, looking full in His wonderful face, and the things of the earth will grow strangely dim, in the light of His Glory and Grace.
If, after a week or two, any one can truthfully tell me that it doesn’t pay to follow Jesus into holiness, then I will simply concede that to them. That does not mean I will stop putting forth the challenge. Live the Gospel, you’ll love it!
Much more about my walk(s) with Heaven, to come, as I settle back into reclining in Him, as I journey on to the place He has ordained and called me to attain.
What a rocky, thorny, ride life has been…until that push, that has propelled me, afresh, on to the high calling in Christ upon my life. I’m removing the little rocks (foxes) that spoil the path (vine), one at a time. The thorns, such pesky varmints, I pull as I go. They are assured to become less as I walk the narrow paths of holiness unto the Lord.
I have no regrets.
Brother Nathanael, hang in there, Help is on the way, and…He Cannot Disappoint.
If we look, with spiritual eyes, upon any situation in our lives, we can never be disappointed in God. His ways are infinitely above ours, and we must trust and hope in Him to work all things for our good.
Eternity governs all of His dealings with His people. His eyes are on eternal redemption. We must willingly and decidedly align our eyes with His, and realize that this life is but a breath. As we submit to His will, and His dealings with us, we begin to see more clearly His mind…and His wonderful, holy purpose for His children.
Any given situation we find ourselves involved in may look hopeless through our natural eyes, and all evidence may affirm such a verdict, yet if we choose by faith to see through His eyes, we can believe that His processes will work His good will in us regardless of all the outward appearances or evidences. Eternity is at stake.
If we will to trust, as a little child, that Father knows best, and has only good in mind for us, we can never be disappointed. It becomes more and more improbable for it to be otherwise if we are taking Him at His word!
We are called to a very high place that is not unattainable, as the natural man would have us to believe. We are called to always walk in the state of grace that reflects we are forgiven, cleansed from our sin, redeemed by the Lamb’s Blood, and free in Him to gladly welcome His wise work upon us…no matter the pain it causes to our natural man.
We are to ever reckon our natural man dead, and to walk by faith. By so doing, we are continually strengthened by the Holy Spirit to endure whatever our precious Lord chooses for us to “pass through.” And it is to “pass through” that we are called!
Through this world of misery and woe, on into His world of freedom for the sons and daughters of God. We needn’t fear any evil along the way. Jesus has overcome the evil one…and so shall we!
What is faith? Believing, though we can not see. Jesus overcame and so shall we! As we learn to appropriate (by faith) the victory that is ours through His finished work at Calvary, we become more and more restful in His ability to sustain us. He does not disappoint!
If we are walking in His light…the whole of our spiritual life will be spent with serious allegations against us. Such it was with Christ. Such it was with the multitude of chosen ones who have preceded us. Why would it be any different for us? It cannot be different until the Father of Lies is banished.
How do we fight these allegations? We are to stand firmly…grounded in the Father’s Word. His Word is Truth! And Truth shall prevail! He cannot disappoint!
Pain and suffering are part and parcel of our lives in Christ here on earth. It is simply the Father’s way of bringing us home. We mustn’t dwell upon trying to understand this mystery. Rather, let us dwell upon attaining to the place of obedience, wherein we are continually walking in His presence.
It is therein that we are not touched…therein we are not moved…and therein we are unshakeable! We go through the fires and come out untouched! We are thrown into the den of lions and we emerge unscathed!
What is the purpose for the pain and suffering? Simply put: It is the will of the Father. Eternity will answer that question more fully when we gaze upon His Son in all His glory! If we will submit to His way…we will not be disappointed!
“In quietness and confidence shall be our strength.” Patiently and confidently we wait before the One Who knows all our ways. “Be still, oh, my soul, and know that He is God.” He cannot disappoint!
Oh, Lord, You shall never disappoint.
It is Your will…Your children to anoint
With the power of Your life. Overcoming power…
Every minute of the day…every single hour.
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1. Consider IF all presidential Candidates stated publicly their nonsupport of Israel.
2. I say move 100,000 refugees to Israel.
Should we be preparing for “Yom Carson?”
Rather unlikely, instead there’s “Trumpannukah” coming this December!
Brother Nathanael,
It is true that Jesus nor the Apostles said that the Jews would return.
From what I have read, neither did Jesus nor the Apostles say that the Jews were the chosen people of God.
A resounding Amen, Brother Nat.
I have learned so much from you that I have begun teaching it to the people I have discussions with in my church.
The ignorance and naivete are distressing but many are receptive.
In my book, a sin greater than usury…kissing up to the Den of Satan which houses the thieves, liars and murderers for that oh so wee bit of glorious money and power on the Father’s great timeline for the ages.
Regarding the massive influx of displaced Middle Easterners, YES, house them in those tripped out Synagogues, Yeshivas and Jewish Community Centers.
They’ve got all the money, let them take care of the problem they created in the first place. The few remaining free nations can no longer even RUN away from “democracy”.
Rabbi says migrant influx into Europe is ‘excellent news’ as the ‘death of Christianity will bring back the Messiah’
Read more @ http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0c3_1441769526#dmmzH7xLGlghIfMF.99
Wow, Doc, you are such a vain naif.
The first rule of Hippocratic physicians is “first do no harm.” You made that terrific little cheerleading report about Hadassa Medical Center in Israel, but failed to report how the hospital is on the verge of collapse.
Which of course makes the Jews look good and magnanimous because the Palestinians and Israeli Arabs who desperately need medical services then go to the state of the art Jewish hospitals that the US of AIPAC and all the Jews and Judeochristians subsidize.
I thought I was a master of foot and mouth disease — opening mouth to change feet — but you, Doc, leave me in the dust.
Does +BN ever have you pegged–a little bit of Bible is a dangerous thing in the hands of Ziochristians. The Apostle Paul very clearly stated that the Law of Moses would become the guide and tutor for the Christian.
I think by extension we can take this to mean that the while we can look for wisdom in the history of the people of God, the Old Testament is a very dangerous thing to form foreign policy from.
Doc, the rest of your ignorance about current world affairs is not far behind either, and it would take more than a crash course in geopolitics to overcome your ignorance. Jew-know-who would be perfectly happy to be your “advisors” if they think you have a chance at the White House.
Slip the state of Palestine down into Egypt?
It took a few minutes for me to find that reference. It comes from Bloomberg. The morning after Carson’s pathetic interview with Hewitt (who graciously tries to correct Carson’s statements) , it appears to me that Carson then made a damage control call to David Weigel of Bloomberg Politics.
There’s no audio/visual, its all a written interview. But it is a good one to read because it also gives some insight into Carson’s thinking on Putin, Russia, the Ukraine crises, NATO, and last but not least, Carson buys into the hawkish “American Exceptionalism” mythos.
Although Carson is a Seventh Day Adventist which doctrinally forbids participation in any wars, so far it appears to me that there would be no conflict in Carson’s mind about beefing up NATO, and sending the US military into wars…especially to protect his “little brother,” the belligerent, murderous bully of the Levant.
As an aside, the SDA church does not ascribe to Dispensationalism, but the SDA is also in Israel and claims to have a very good relationship with Netanyahu and the government.
Unlike many evangelical churches, the Seventh-day Adventist Church does not support a Scofield dispensational view of prophecy.
The 1948 establishment of the State of Israel, an outgrowth of WW2, is viewed by Adventists as a political, not a prophetic event, and they haven’t been particularly pro-Israel, and have tended to see Israel as the “black sheep” of the ME.
However, Adventist theologians, along with the small Adventist church in Israel with roots in the British Mandate and before, some of whom are ethnic Jews, is gradually changing Adventist attitudes.
Adventists believe themselves to have a closer theological connection with Jewish biblical thinking than other Christian denominations.
Adventist Review (2007): “The government accepts us as one of the Christian communities in the country,” said Richard Elofer, president of the Adventist Church there and pastor of the Jerusalem congregation.
“I know that they know us, we don’t hesitate to communicate with them, and every year I am invited by the president of the state to attend a reception for the [leaders] of the Christian communities.”
Israeli media—not often a friend of Christian churches operating and evangelizing in the country—had very positive things to say about the Seventh-day Adventist Church when its publishing house, “Chaim Veshalom,” or, “Life and Peace,” opened in Jerusalem in 2003.
The nation’s oldest newspaper, Haaretz, published a highly favorable report.
The article stressed the industry, honesty, temperate lifestyle, and Sabbathkeeping of Adventist believers, with one Israeli employer, identified only as “Eli,” saying, “They’re very neat and well-groomed. They don’t smoke, they don’t drink. They are excellent, diligent workers and completely honest.
“I trust them with my eyes closed. I bring them to a work site and don’t have to come back to check on them. Their word is golden.”
http://archives.adventistreview.org/article/1456/archives/issue-2007-1531/how-should-christians-view-israel
Weigel wrote in his March piece, Ben Carson: Arm Ukraine, Expand NATO, Rethink Russia’s Position on UN Security Council:
Carson, like other potential Republican candidates, was cheered by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s re-election this week, and thinking anew about how Palestinians could establish their own state.
“We need to look at fresh ideas,” said Carson. “I don’t have any problem with the Palestinians having a state, but does it need to be within the confines of Israeli territory?
“Is that necessary, or can you sort of slip that area down into Egypt?
“Right below Israel, they have some amount of territory, and it can be adjacent. They can benefit from the many agricultural advances that were made by Israel, because if you fly over that area, you can easily see the demarcation between Egypt and Israel, in terms of one being desert and one being verdant.
“Technology could transform that area. So why does it need to be in an area where there’s going to be temptation for Hamas to continue firing missiles at relatively close range to Israel?”
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-03-20/ben-carson-arm-ukraine-expand-nato-rethink-russia-s-position-on-un-security-council
One last thing, Doc. You really need to read Genesis 33, especially getting away from all of the rabbinic interpretations.
Not only did Islam not start with Esau, but Genesis 33 makes it very clear that the two brothers personally reconciled with each other and lived peaceably after Jacob came back from Haran. Both sons even honorably buried their father Isaac together.
While relations were tense after Israel came out of Egypt some 300-400 years after Jacob and Esau lived, and the maverick tribe of Amelek, only one of Esau’s sons did make a raiding attack on the Israelites.
Subsequently Moses went to war against only the one tribe of Amelek, not the entire nation of Edom.
The prominent genealogy of the kingdom of Edom recorded by Moses indicates that Edom had grown into a major regional power at the time Israel came out of Egypt.
Open hostilities between the two tribes really only begin about 1,000 years later after King Saul went after the Amelekites, and the conquest and subjugation of Edom by King David, with his establishment of military garrisons in the portion of the Central Negev belonging to Edom. Genesis 36 describes the rapid growth of Edom.
Deuteronomy 2:5 informs us that Edom’s territory was not part of the land promised to Israel and never would be: “Meddle not with them; for I will not give you of their land, no, not so much as a foot breadth; because I have given mount Seir unto Esau for a possession.”
Ezekiel condemned the nation of Edom, saying, “Thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity . . .” Ezekiel 35:5.
Throughout ancient history, the Edomites manifested their hatred against the Hebrews, as shown by their refusing Moses and his people permission to pass through Edomite territory in Numbers 20:14-22. However, in the time of Elisha, the Edomites joined in a military alliance with Israel and Judah, 2 Kings 3:9. Later, Judah defeated Edom in war, 2 Chronicles 25:5-12.
The major prophecies against Edom are found in Isaiah 34, Jeremiah 49:7-22, Ezekiel 25:12-14 and 35:1-15, and the book of Obadiah.
Isaiah prophesied of God’s judgment against Edom about 700 BC, while Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Obadiah all delivered their prophecies of impending doom upon Edom around the year 600 BC.
It would make sense to look for the fulfillment of these prophecies against Edom in that general time period of history. However, some have proposed that these prophecies against Edom are still unfulfilled, and that their fulfillment will take place in our generation, in the early 21st Century AD.
There are 2 big problems with this theory:
1. The Edomites no longer exist, and the Arabs are identified in Scripture as being a distinct people from the Edomites. It is impossible to punish a people who have already disappeared from the face of the earth many centuries ago.
2. The prophet Malachi, writing about 400 BC, speaks of God’s judgment of Edom in the past tense as having already taken place: “And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.” (Malachi 1:3)
Centuries later, history records in the cuneiform Babylonian Cylinders unearthed from ancient archives in the 19th century, records that the Edomites were ravaged by the Babylonian armies in the early 6th Century BC, and that near the end of the 6th Century BC, the Nabateans attacked the Edomites, driving them from their mountain fortresses of Mount Seir, further into their ancestral territories in the Negev Central Highlands to the west of the Arabah, and eventually some settlements moved as far north as Hebron.
Obadiah prophesied that the house of Esau would be completely wiped out (v. 18). If he was talking about the Arabs, then Obadiah’s prophecy was false, since the Arabs are very much with us today. If Obadiah was talking about Edom, like he said that he was (v.8), then his prophecy has been fulfilled, since Edom has longed since disappeared as a nation.
Another American election. Another cartoon show. Donald Chump, this forgettable wahoo, one collection of morons heaped on top of another. America the wasteland.
You have to give Asmstel Rothschild credit. If you control the money supply (and thus the bribery) they will all line up like trained lap dogs and they do -over and over and over again.
People with the brains of a single cell amoeba running the most powerful miliary in the world.
This poor Benny Carson looks like a benign mark in the hands of his Jew puppeteers, propped up to say a few propaganda lines and give a few interviews in his laid back inoffensive demeanor.
Then after his shine and luster wears off, he will be forgotten and a new theatrical actor will appear on the TV waiting for his turn to call for the Jewstablishment lines to be upheld.
Perhaps the Doc. ought be more careful on who he lets befriend him.
Hey, Doctor Carson.
Where’s your fact-finding report on this?
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Christians demonstrate against wall in Beit Jala
The picture posted by Deacon Fadi Abu Sa’ada on his Facebook page Aug. 30 spoke volumes, and the image of medics helping a nun injured by Israeli tear gas raised anger among Palestinians.
Demonstrations after Sunday mass have become the norm in this Bethlehem-area town. The anti-Israel rallies are a protest against Israeli efforts to confiscate property to make room for the wall.
The Israeli wall, cutting deep into Palestinian land, is said to have a security aim — to protect Israel — but in fact it is dividing land that belongs to Palestinian Christians.
While Israel unilaterally annexed East Jerusalem, for Palestinians, the land on both sides of the wall belongs to them.
The protest rally in the Beit Jala neighborhood of Beir Ona began peacefully but soon turned into clashes between Palestinian civilians and church leaders on one side and Israeli soldiers on the other.
The protest was led by a revered church leader, Patriarch Michel Sabbah. Sabbah, the former head of the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem, made an impassioned public plea for an end to Palestinian land confiscation by Israel:
“This is our land, and will always remain ours.
“They claim it’s their land, but they use their soldiers, their tanks, their military occupation to force their will — and it is not their land.
“It is our land, and one day their forces will withdraw and the land will return back to its indigenous Palestinian owners.”
The [Latin] patriarch concluded by saying that his message to the Christian world, the international community and the Arab world is that “This Holy Land is burning.”
Bassam Shweiki, a local reporter who has been following the case, told the International Middle East Media Center that the demonstration focused on the confiscation of about 3,500 donums (865 acres) of Palestinian land dotted with ancient olive trees, some of them dating back to the days of Jesus.
The battle for the land in the predominantly Christian Palestinian town of Beit Jala has been fought on the ground and in the Israeli courts for years.
It began with the battle between the Catholic Church and the Israeli authorities regarding the wall’s division of the Monastery of the Selsian Nuns and the Cremisan Latin Monastery. The path of the wall had divided the monastery and would have prevented Palestinian access to certain parts of the church.
The Israeli court finally agreed to divert the wall’s path away from the monastery but did not detail (until the bulldozers came) where they decided to reroute it.
The Israeli High Court ruled on April 2 that the military must stop its attempts to build the wall on church property. However, the court reversed its decision on July 6, arguing that its earlier decision referred only to an area of a few hundred meters alongside a monastery in the Cremisan Valley.
Israel’s land confiscation and settlement activities — including the building of the wall — have been ruled illegal by the international community.
In a 14-1 advisory ruling in 2004, the International Court of Justice deemed the building of the wall a violation of international humanitarian law, specifically the Fourth Geneva Convention.
Four days before the Aug. 30 demonstration, a 15-member delegation — including representatives of France, Germany and Sweden — visited the site. The visitors received a detailed briefing on recent legal developments by the Society of St. Yves Catholic Center for Human Rights.
The Sunday protests aimed to highlight the arbitrary nature of the Israeli actions. Despite high-profile demonstrations and legal efforts, the 58 Palestinian landowners whose lands are threatened have no idea what the new route of the wall will be.
Lawyers working with the Society of St. Yves for the landowners told Al-Monitor that attempts to force the Israeli authorities to reveal the path of the wall have failed to yield results.
It appears that the Israeli military, having lost one battle in the courts over the path of the wall near the monastery, is now reluctant to provide the Palestinians with any information they can use in the Israeli judiciary system.
Palestinians are hoping that their public protests will produce the kind of international outcry that can put a stop to the continuous Israeli efforts to take over Palestinian lands for the sake of a wall that will cut off Palestinians in the West Bank from those in East Jerusalem.
The active role of the church comes at a time when the international community is busy with the Iran deal, the war on the Islamic State and various hot spots in Syria, Yemen, Iraq and Libya, as well as the refugee crisis.
It also comes at a time when the Palestinian political leadership is caught up in a controversy over the holding of the Palestinian National Council and the larger issue of Palestinian succession.
The image of the nun being treated for her injuries is unlikely to make the front pages of international media outlets, but the persistent support of the Palestinian community for local church leaders seems likely to ensure that the issue of Israeli aggression against Palestinian lands continues to be a priority for local Christians.
Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/09/palestine-israel-rally-wall-west-bank-barrier-church-clergy.html
Where’s the outrage, Doc? Do you really think that you can just take a shoehorn and “slip” Palestine into Egypt?
Palestine has been politically Palestine for 1900 years, originally an autonomous Roman province after Hadrian, then an autonomous Christian Roman province which coined its own money having the word ‘Filistina’, and then a semi-autonomous Arab Muslim and later Ottoman Turkish province.
Dear Ones Who are servants of The LORD JESUS CHRIST as well as those who might be viewing Bro. Nathanael’s videos & comments for the 1st time.
It is mandatory that we affirm and support GOD’s Truth coming from the Life & Mouth of Bro. Nathanael. It is only The Truth that makes us free!
We know that Satan and His Demonic Host are engaged in gross Lying Deception that can only produce Satanic chaos in the lives of Men & Women. JESUS CHRIST came to destroy the works of the Devil. We must confront all of the Lying Deceptions & Propaganda with The Truth!!
We also must support and uphold Bro. Nathanael with our supplication to The LORD as well as giving him the necessary financial resources to allow him to continue his ministry of exposing and confrontation with The Enemy!
The LORD JESUS stated emphatically that the Jews were of their Father the Devil and that the works of their Father would they do! The Truth never Lies, and Liars never tell the Truth!
We pray that Ben Carson, being the fine man that he is, will come to the knowledge of The Truth and ‘wake up’!
It is truly a Blessing to read of the Comments given that support The Truth as given by Bro. Nathanael. We have The Ultimate Victory and Overcome In The LORD and His Truth from Everlasting to Everlasting. Hallelujah and Amen!
Holowhopper of the Day
Everyone’s a critic:
“So important was music to Mengele, that he trained one of his dogs to be sensitive to every nuance of his favorite compositions. Whenever his pianist would play a note inaccurately, the dog would pounce on her and viciously bite her.
“This happened many times when she was forced to perform before Mengele when she was unable to concentrate fully on her playing, such as after she had contracted tuberculosis.
“She had at least ten scars all over her body resulting from dog-bites incurred by lapses in her performance.”
http://www.aish.com/ho/i/48954311.html
Tying in to Hoff’s earlier Must See comment linked to the Jewish Forward Magazine.
For the good natured American dupes among us, or as Israeli Jews put it– “freier, a pushover or loser, someone who can be taken for a ride,” here is the 2001 Netanyahu video mentioned in the Forward article:
“Netanyahu: America is Easy to Push Around (English Subtitles)”
Israeli Channel 10 presented this video: The Real AND Deceitful Face of Binyamin Netanyahu. Broadcast on Friday night, July 9, 2010 on This Week with Miki Rosenthal.
On this channel, the CC button didn’t show up for me. Go to the tool symbol and click the Annotations button on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6KLFrye9Xk
We are “anti-Semites” if we happen to decide that enough is enough, and resent getting pushed around, ripped off, cheated, manipulated, and used by Jews who consider such behavior to be a Jewish virtue.
If he wants to visit a hospital, why doesn’t he visit one of the ones treating al Nusra fighters from across the border?
Logically speaking, semitism *precedes* anti-semitism.
So, if someone accuses you of “anti-Semitism” just say, “It’s because of Semitism.”
Male soldiers outperform female soldiers? Who’d a thunk it?
I wonder if the Russians plan on showing up for battle in high heels and make up?
http://qz.com/499618/the-us-marines-tested-all-male-squads-against-mixed-gender-ones-and-the-men-came-out-ahead/?utm_source=YPL
You know what’s really sad is that it’s obvious the people in this country are not very intelligent because the truth is staring them right in the face.
The fact of the matter is google removed so called anti semitic search results when people search for “who controls the media” and “who controls Hollywood,” and people can’t put 2 and 2 together that the reason why they consider it anti semitic is because they have plenty to hide. If it was simply harmless they wouldn’t care if people knew they controled it.
A crystal clear 100% admission of guilt at its finest, and people cant read between the lines.
It would be like me running a restaurant chain and trying to hide the fact that I run it because I’m in with the mafia and making shady deals in the back of the restaurant behind closed doors.
The point is, if you’re not guilty, you won’t care period, and the fact that you do care speaks volumes.
Clinton: “You know what’s really sad is that it’s obvious the people in this country are not very intelligent because the truth is staring them right in the face….”
Yeah, and it’s more than just a mere denial of reality at this point. It’s an outright REBELLION against reality.
If videos of Obama raping and killing little boys were released does anyone doubt it would have almost no effect on the grunting hordes?
Maybe when bread hits $25.00 a loaf they’ll wake up.
Then again….
Police in Lakewood are being enlisted to perform tasks such as turning off light switches and running errands on Sabbath for members of the township’s large Orthodox Jewish community, a published report said.
Police chief Robert Lawson said officers are now more “culturally sensitive,”to the unique needs of the most devout members of that religion, according to APP.com.
Police have gone to drug stores to obtain medicine for sick children, changed batteries in hearing aids and been asked to turn on heaters and air conditioners, the report said.
http://tinyurl.com/Lakewood-cops-shabbos-goy
And then Americans can’t understand why the Jews despise the American people?
This Ben Carson looks Black to me and if he is, he’s got to be the biggest “Uncle Tom” ever.
This guy protects and defends the devil’s version of israel based on lies and violence, yet the Jews are building a wall around Israel to keep Blacks and dark skinned people out and the ones already in Israel are encouraged to get sterilized!
All of the great Rabbis have taught that Blacks are sub human animals whose sole purpose is to be slaves to Jews and the Jews were major promoters of American slavery as the owners, auctioneers and slave ship and slave equipment manufacturers. Even the founder of the KKK, Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forest supposedly had Jewish ancestry.
Ben Carson at most might make a lazy foreman. President of a major country, absolutely not.
Some are so Jew brainwashed they’ll vote for him simple because he’s of African decent.
These same people will give the Jews the rope that the Jews will hang them with.
It’s no wonder why the Jews refer to them as “dumb” goys. I see how blind and gullible the goys are and have to agree with the Jews.
@citizenfitz
Yea, I know it’s just awful, isn’t it?
But on a more positive note I recently watched Alex Jones’ interview with Dr. David Duke, and I must say what I’ve heard about the interview is that it’s gone extremely viral on youtube with 170,000+ links. He’s taken a pretty good sizable portion of Alex Jones’ viewers away from him, and I believe thats the reason why Alex Jones removed the video from his website.
Maybe the seas of change are on their way and we can only hope.
Even though it would be good if Brother Nathanael could get on the Alex Jones Show, I doubt Jones would ever let him on, seeing as how his interview with Dr. David Duke back fired right in his face.
It’s a good rule of the thumb that if you can get on the enemy’s news station, it’s still good whether they talk down to you or not.
These people are well aware that there’s no such thing as bad publicity when you tell the truth and that’s why they rarely let people like David Duke on.
See, even though they might be against Dr. David Duke, it still raises the awareness of the viewers and that’s something they do not want.
@All
I hope he didn’t get his pocket picked over there in Talmudistan!
Dear Brother Nathaneal,
The problem with Ben Carson and his fellow Christian Zionists is their shameful ignorance of both history and biblical prophecy. Unfortunately the Jews have deliberately misled Christians by making them believe that Esau/Edom are the Arabs.
This is completely false as can be verified by both Jewish historians and the Jewish Encyclopaedia.
It is the standard Talmudic inversion of the truth (accusing others of the crimes they themselves are guilty of), in which you will find out, that it is the Jews themselves who are Esau.
The conquest of Edom, or Idumea (as it was then known by its Greek name), began with Judas Maccabeus in 163 B.C., according to 1 Maccabees 5:3-8.
Eventually, Edom ceased to be a nation in 126 B.C. when John Hyrcanus of Judah finished his conquest and forcibly converted the remaining Edomites to Judaism. Never again was there a nation called Edom or Idumea.
The story is told in great detail by the first-century Jewish historian, Josephus, in his Antiquities of the Jews, XIII, ix, 1. Here we read:
“Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would be circumcised, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision and the rest of the Jews’ ways of living; at which time therefore, this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.”
Josephus was the first-century Jewish historian who initially fought against the Romans in the war that destroyed Jerusalem. He was himself a descendant of the Maccabees. He was well acquainted with these things when he wrote of these things, because he was writing about his own family history. The Jewish Encyclopaedia, 1925 edition under “Edom,” affirms the Edomite absorption into Jewry, saying:
“Judas Maccabeus conquered their territory for a time (B.C. 163; Ant. Xii, 8 par. 1, 2).
They were again subdued by John Hyrcanus (c. 125 B.C.) by whom they were forced to observe Jewish rites and laws (ib. 9, par. 1; xiv. 4, par. 4). They were then incorporated with the Jewish nation, and their country was called by the Greeks and Romans ‘Idumea’ (Mark iii. 8; Ptolemy, Geography v. 16). With Antipater began the Idumean dynasty that ruled over Judea till its conquest by the Romans.
Immediately before the siege of Jerusalem 20,000 Idumeans, under the leadership of John, Simeon, Phinehas, and Jacob, appeared before Jerusalem to fight in behalf of the zealots who were besieged in the Temple (Josephus, B.J. iv. 4, par. 5).
“From this time the Idumeans ceased to be a separate people.”
Books have been written attempting to prove that the Arabs or other nations are modern Edom, in the vain effort to identify Edom with the real or imagined enemies of the modern Jewish state. Yet even The Jewish Encyclopedia itself (above) states the truth in plain language. “The Idumeans [or Edomites] ceased to be a separate people” from the Jews about 125 or 126 B.C.
This is confirmed again by The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, p. 41, which says, “Edom is in modern Jewry.”
Edom was absorbed by the Jews and ceased to be a separate people in history. This fact is beyond dispute, and no historian has even made the attempt to refute it. It is so well-known to historians that it is incredible how few Christians know this or have incorporated it into their views of Bible prophecy. Only God could have blinded the Church so as to make them lose the entire nation of Edom!
Josephus wrote in his Antiquities of the Jews, XIV, xv, 2, “Herod had now a strong army; and . . . went on for Jerusalem . . . . Antigonus, by way of reply to what Herod had caused to be proclaimed . . . said, that they would not do justly if they gave the kingdom to Herod, who was no more than a private man, and an Idumean, i.e., a half Jew . . .”
Herod overthrew Antigonus in 37 B.C. and ultimately executed him in 34 B.C. Herod took the throne as King of the Jews and began the Idumean dynasty, which ruled Judea for a century until its destruction in 70-73 A.D. King Herod represented the Judean nation well, because he, like the nation itself, was half Idumean and half Judean.
In other words, Jewry itself—that is, those who adhere to Judaism and reject Jesus Christ—is the only modern nation that can fulfil the prophecies of Edom. In incorporating Edom into the nation of Judea and its religious system, the Jews became the heirs of both sets of prophecies— prophecies of Judah as well as the prophecies about Edom. The Arabs have nothing to do with it!
Lol about the Esau/Islam connection.
That’s like saying that in order to have to an understanding of James Joyce you have to go back to New Grange. Totally ridiculous.
As for the Israel/brother analogy…..that’s quite the precocious younger brother.
This guy Carson & so many Republican candidates are awesome when they talk about abortion, but idiotic regarding foreign policy.
Benjamin Netanyahu Speech to Congress 2015 [FULL] 43 min
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wRf1cdw4IAY
The complete transcript of Netanyahu’s address to Congress
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/03/03/full-text-netanyahus-address-to-congress/
Dear Karl B,
Thanks for working up some of the historical facts about Edom and the Edomites, and for pointing out that “Edom” is not the “Arabs.”
However, the review of your historical resources are incomplete and some of the religious conclusions, or the conclusions of whatever source you drew from, are in error, and even ludicrous.
“Edom was absorbed by the Jews and ceased to be a separate people in history. This fact is beyond dispute, and no historian has even made the attempt to refute it. It is so well-known to historians that it is incredible how few Christians know this or have incorporated it into their views of Bible prophecy. Only God could have blinded the Church so as to make them lose the entire nation of Edom!”
I doubt that very much. You see, we do know that some Edomites became disciples of Christ.
Many Ziochristians in particular are ignorant of external history as it relates to the Bible (when they aren’t reading the Bible just to find proof-texts), such as Josephus, and the Books of the Maccabees for example, because if it is not between the covers of the protestant Bible, than it is just not relevant, so people are free to make up whatever they want.
However, what a ridiculous, absurd and blasphemous statement against God and His Christ that “Only God could have blinded the Church so as to make them lose the entire nation of Edom!”
In other words, God is a liar and trickster, and prophecy was never fulfilled that Edom would cease to exist as an identifiable polity and nation which we can prove from historical records.
Instead the clever demonic Edomites who are descended from the Serpent/Satan’s physical son Cain he begat by Eve, who clung onto the outside of Noah’s Ark the entire duration of the flood and so the sons of Cain ben Serpent then survived as the tribe of Kenites, became Edomites and then morphed into racial fake Jews.
And that, according to these modern sages, is what Jesus meant when He called the Jews the sons of the Devil–the Jews aren’t real Jews, they are fake Jews because they are Edomites, literal sons of Cain ben Serpent.
And since Esau has the same genes as Jacob since they were at least fraternal twins with Isaac and Rebecca as their biological parents, and so their descendents are going to have a lot of genetic material in commmon, and so God’s deception of the Church is virtually bullet proof and imperceptible, except for a few clever pastor-scholars who can see through this total divine deception of the trickster God.
Never mind the fact that the Edomite people came out to meet Jesus during his Perean ministry from Idumea, which on the face of it proves that the Edomites were still ethnically distinct from Judeans, Galileans, Samarians etc in Christ’s time on earth.
He would have certainly known the difference between the Jews and the Idumeans by differences in their dress and dialect, for example, even though they as religious Judaics who were incorporated into the Hasmonean Kingdom of Judaea, worshipped at the Temple and adopted a number of Jewish customs along with the Law of Moses, these “Proselytes of Justice” (ancestral forced conversion under the Hasmoneans).
To this day among Arab tribal people for example, even the difference in the deliberate folds of their keffiyeh (headdress) which are considered proprietary can identify which tribe or clan a person belongs to.
The keffiyeh a traditional Middle Eastern headdress fashioned from a square scarf. It is typically worn by Arabs, Kurds and some Jews, but they will have different fabric patterns, sometimes additional accessories, and a customary way of arranging the headdress to distinguish themselves, such as fashioned into turbans, or wearing loose over head and shoulders, or secured with a headband.
In the West and in Tokyo, keffiyehs are worn as political statements or fashion accessories.
Mark the Evangelist includes Idumea, along with Judaea, Jerusalem, Tyre, Sidon and lands east of the Jordan as the communities from which the disciples of Jesus were drawn. In other words, some Edomites openly became Christians.
When Christ told the Jews their father was the Devil, He certainly was not saying that the Jews who confronted Him, particularly the Scribes and Pharisees, were the secret physical offspring of Cain ben Serpent in their current morph of Edomites into Jews. Christ warned his disciples to beware of the leaven of the Scribes and Pharisees, but Christ never said one word about “Beware of the crypto-Edomites disguised as Jews.”
1 John 3:9-10 makes it clear what is meant by spiritual seed and just who are the sons of the Devil:
“No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.”
This reasoning obviously comes from an irrational mashup of Serpent-Seed-Kenite-Fake Edomite-Khazar Jews teachings, which takes everything in the Bible as hyper-literal, and cherry picks biblical and sometimes historical and scientific facts to support particular racial and/or non-racial doctrines (depending on the pastor-scholars).
These “scholars” have discovered what no one else in the world has ever discovered, that the Edomites completely fooled Christ, the Son of God, or else, as you’ve put it, God has perpetuated an enormous hoax on the Church, starting with the very Church of Jerusalem which Christ founded from his closest 12 Disciples.
Consider the rabbinic Jewish origins of the Serpent Seed idea, and so its ironic that some so-called Christian groups formulate and justify their own beliefs by Judaizing themselves, having resorted to Jewish fables evidently came from early Judeo-Gnostic heresies.
The doctrine that Eve mated with the serpent, or with Satan, to produce Cain (which in some doctrinal systems then metamorphosized into “Edomites”), has been taught in various forms for thousands of years, and it finds its earliest expression in Gnostic and Judeo-Gnostic writings (e.g., the Gospel of Philip) and especially in Manichaean doctrines; however, it was soundly rejected by the Orthodox Church and Church Fathers such as Irenaeus in the 2nd century, and St. Augustine in the 4th century.
The Serpent Seed idea then appears in a 9th-century Jewish book called Pirke De-Rabbi Eliezer.
The idea goes back to early Jewish Midrashic texts and many rabbis who taught that Cain was the son of the union between the serpent and Eve. Some Kabbalist rabbis also believe that Cain and Abel were of a different background than Seth. This is known among Kabbalists as “The Theory of Origins”.
The theory teaches that God created two “Adams”. To one he gave a soul and to the other he did not give a soul. The one without a soul is the creature known in Christianity as the serpent.
The Kabbalists call the serpent Nahash (meaning serpent in Hebrew). This is recorded in the Zohar: Two beings [Adam and Nachash] had intercourse with Eve, and she conceived from both and bore two children. Each followed one of the male parents, and their spirits parted, one to this side and one to the other, and similarly their characters.
On the side of Cain are all the haunts of the evil species; from the side of Abel comes a more merciful class, yet not wholly beneficial – good wine mixed with bad.| (Zohar 136)
As for political history of Idumea up to the time of the destruction of Jerusalem, both the Gospel of Mark and Josephus make clear that there was a distinct population of tribal Edomites on a certain territory for which the Roman province of Idumea was named, and because the Ptolemies and Seleucids had previously named the territory Idum-ia.
Idumea came under the rule of the Hasmoneans after rule under the Ptolemies and Seleucids.
When it came to the Romans, either they simply received existing provinces and client states as they stood and were named, and simply draw sort of boundary around a certain indigenous people living in a territory if they were homogenous and then name the province after them. Juda-ea was one such province, Samar-ea, Idum-ea were others.
“Edom was absorbed by the Jews and ceased to be a separate people in history. This fact is beyond dispute, and no historian has even made the attempt to refute it.”
Edom was politically incorporated by the Hasmoneans only insofar as Edom became a vassal of the Kingdom of Judaea ruled under the Law of Moses from Jerusalem, but they otherwise remained distinct with their own governors under the Hasmonean kings, albeit having the same religion under the Law of Moses.
That a few Idumeans served in the late Hasmonean government, and some of the Judaean and Idumean elites married each other, and the fact that the Romans eventually appointed Herod as the king of Judaea, and he made several dynastic marriages, doesn’t mean that the Edomites as a whole morphed into so-called “fake Jews.”
According to Josephus, the siege of Jerusalem by Titus, 20,000 Edomites, under the leadership of John, Simeon, Phinehas, and Jacob, helped the Zealots fight for independence from Rome, who were besieged in the Temple.
If you carefully read the text of Josephus about the Edomites role in the three-way civil war inside Jerusalem before Titus laid seige, the Edomites didn’t come to help defend Jerusalem from the Romans, they came because the wicked renegade Zealots tricked them into coming to fight against the city establishment and people in Jerusalem who were fighting against the Zealots.
When they came to Jerusalem, they were locked out of the gates by the high priests. The furious Edomites got mad and when the Zealots snuck out and let the Edomites in they went on a rampage and slaughtered huge numbers of people in Jerusalem including the high priests who were leading the resistance to the Zealots.
When the Zealots felt regret for helping the Edomites kill so many of the people , they told them that the Romans were not coming at that time and that they could go home. The Edomites agreed and went home. Later, Titus continued the Roman campaign against Idumea and subdued it.
The point being, when read in detail, you would understand that a) the Edomites would have had to look different from the Judaeans, Jerusalemites, and the Galileans in order know which groups to attack in the city; and b) Josephus clearly knew who the Edomites were as a separate people all along, since he lived at the time and was a primary witness to the war.
At this point, they had not merged at all into one people, but remained distinct even after the Judaean war against Rome and Titus had subdued the entire country side after the final Roman seige of Masada.
After the last Jewish war under Hadrian from 132-135, the Idumaean people are no longer mentioned in history, though the geographical region of “Idumea” is still referred to at the time of St. Jerome.
However, the Edomites and Idumea were still known to exist as such prior to the turn of the second century, because in Against Apion sometime after AD94, Josephus states “…for Idumea borders upon our country, and is near to Gaza…”(J. Ap. 2.112).
He was writing for a Roman audience, and so it is evident that Edomites and Idumea existed as popular knowledge around the empire as well, just as the Nabateans and Arabs were equally well known.
Many moderns have the erroneous belief that Edom was only in the southern Transjordan. This is historically inaccurate, and in part a belief perpetuated through poor interpretations of the Bible, and through intellectual dishonesty in a variety of circles motivated, I believe, for the purposes of acquiring more land for the Zionist state than their use of the Bible justified.
Edom was an enormous nomad kingdom which was a confederacy of tribal sheiks and controlled a great portion of the ancient trade routes, particularly the international spice and incense trade of three continents, until the Nabatean Arabs took it over.
Besides the Bible, Josephus provides an additional source of geographical information on the extent of the original territories in Edom’s geographical domain. Josephus writes that Esau first lived in the hill country of Seir following his departure from Hebron, an Israelite town located in the Judean hill country’s southern portion (Antiq. IV:2:1-3).
According to Scripture, Esau was the first son of Issac who later became the founding father of the Edomites (Gen 36:9). However, by the time of Josephus, the area formerly known as the hill country of Seir now belonged to a people known as the Idumaeans, or a remaining Edomite remnant.
Josephus further mentions in another passage that the prophet Elijah passed through the town of Beersheba during his flight from Jezebel (Antiq. VIII.13.7). Josephus states that the town of Beersheba comprised the southernmost town that belonged to the Israelite tribe of Judah, whose territory now lay right on the border of a country that belonged to the Idumaeans.
Finally, in a third passage, Josephus refers to the location where the Israelites under Moses leadership had first tried to enter the land of Canaan from the south as an area of land that now bordered the country belonging to the Idumaeans or former Edomite remmant (Antiq. IV.4.5).
Then in Against Apion, Josephus again states that Edom-ia reached close to Gaza. While the information on earlier Biblical events found in Josephus does not always match the descriptions for these same historical events from Biblical texts, nevertheless one thing is perfectly clear.
The geographical information contained in the writings of Josephus that pertains to Seir and Edom (Idumaea) location remains consistent with a geographical setting in which the original territories of Edom’s geographical domain must have included the Negev’s Central Highlands and southern portion of modern Israel today.
Precisely where the Bedouin of the Central Negev (Negev Arabs) livesome of which are more than likely to be the descendents of the nomad tribes of Edom living there since biblical times are being cleansed from modern southern Israhell.
Negev Bedouin, just like the ancient Edomites and Nabateans who took over a large part of the old kingdom of Edom, have for centuries been a nomadic and later also semi-nomadic Arab people who live by rearing livestock in the deserts of southern Israel, and were at one time vital to trade in the Ottoman Empire. The community is traditional and conservative, with a well-defined value system that directs and monitors behaviour and interpersonal relations.
The Negev Bedouin tribes have been divided into three classes, according to their origin: descendants of ancient Arabian nomads (originated from the Arabian peninsula, mainly from Saudi Arabia), descendants of Sinai Bedouin tribes, and Palestinian peasants (Fellaheen) who came from cultivated areas.
In any case, Josephus preserves the geographical context found in Biblical texts which depict an Edom whose original territories were not limited solely to southern Transjordan.The later appearance of the Nabateans in the Ancient Near East is also easier to understand when their ascendance is viewed in the context of an Edomite geographical domain whose original territories included the Negev’s Central Highlands and southern portion as well as crossing over the Arabah Rift Valley into southern Transjordan and northern Arabian penninsula.
The location of the Nabateans’ former homeland in the Arabian Peninsula’s northwest portion would have placed them in an ideal position from which they could have taken control of those territories that formerly comprised ancient Edom prior to its destruction by Nebuchadnezzar, some 5 years after the Babylonian destruction of Jerusalem.
The Nabateans, a rising geo-political power, easily exploited the resulting political and cultural chaos in order to acquire supremacy over all of the other Ancient Near Eastern nomadic tribes.
More than anything else, it was the Nabateans’ control of the trade routes that connected their capital at Petra in southern Transjordan with the Mediterranean port at Gaza via the Negev’s Central Highlands that provided them with their wealth and prestige as a geo-political power in the Ancient Near East.
On the other hand, the surviving Edomite remnant migrated from the Central Highlands into the Biblical Negev and southern portion of the Judean hill country up to Hebron following Edom’s destruction by Nebuchadnezzar.
Archeologists have identified ancient Edomite pottery in the Negev Central Highlands. This Edomite remnant later became known as the Idumeans, who were incorporated into neighboring Judea during the 2nd Century BC following their conquest by John Hyrcanus I.
Just as they did during the Persian and Hellenistic periods, Nabatea continued to expand during the Hasmonean era of the Kingdom of Judaea, and since Idumea straddled the Petra-Gaza trade route, it constituted a kind of buffer zone between Judaean and Nabatean trading strategies.
The competetion in the region did eventually lead to conflict between the Judaeans and Nabatateans, the Idumeans did lean towards the Judaeans for protection against Nabatean expansion that was swallowing their eastern kinsmen. Judaean expansion into Idumea, and its incorporation of the Idumean population, was therefore more than a dynamic of their response to the Seleucid incursions.
And King Herod for a time accomplished the unification of Nabatea, Idumea, and Judaea as one giant Hebrew trading empire with Jerusalem controlling the trade routes of three continents.
In Emperor Hadrian’s reorganization of the Syrian provinces after the Bar Kochba war, he consolidated different areas and renamed them all as “Palestine.”
The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BC Ancient Greece, when Herodotus wrote of a “district of Syria, called Palaistinê” in The Histories, which included the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley.
About a century later, Aristotle described the Dead Sea in Meteorology and located it in Palestine:
“Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said. They say that this lake is so bitter and salty that no fish live in it and that if you soak clothes in it and shake them it cleans them.”
Clearly, scholars have little problem agreeing that this means the Dead Sea, or as it was called by the Romans, the Asphalt Sea.
Later Greek writers such as Polemon and Pausanias also used the word Palestine, which was followed by Roman writers such as Ovid, Tibullus, Pomponius Mela, Pliny the Elder, Dio Chrysostom, Statius, Plutarch as well as Roman Judean writers Philo of Alexandria and Josephus.
Other writers, such as Strabo, referred to the region as Coele-Syria (“all Syria”) around 10-20 CE.
In 135 CE, the Greek “Syria Palaestina” was used in administratively naming a new Roman province from the merger of Roman Syria and Roman Judaea after the Roman authorities crushed the Bar Kokhba Revolt.
The Roman province of IUDAEA, sometimes spelled in its original Latin forms of Judæa, Judaea or Iudaea to distinguish it from the geographical region of Judea, which incorporated the regions of Judaea, Samaria, and Idumea, and extended over parts of the former regions of the Hasmonean and Herodian kingdoms of Judaea such as Galilee, Decapolis, Gaulanitis.
It was named after Herod Archelaus’s Tetrarchy of Judea, but the Roman province encompassed a much larger territory.
Syria Palaestine was shortened to Palaestina and the name “Palestine” was derived from it as a modern and anglicized version. No changes occurred to this name until after the fourth century had passed when Palestine was divided in to three regions, following the imperial reorganization.
During the Byzantine Roman period c.390, the imperial province of Syria Palaestina was reorganized into: Palaestina Prima, Palaestina Secunda, and Palaestina Salutaris.
The Edomites were a substantially diminished people with control over five cities, including Hebron, by the time of Josephus compared to their ancient greatness, and like Judaea, Idumea disappeared from the Roman map with Hadrian’s administrative changes.
As for the Edomites themselves, some Edomites which are seen becoming disciples of Christ in the Book of Mark, and so became Christians, a new people in Christ, before Hadrian’s provincial name change and early joined the Church, no doubt becoming a part of the Church under Apostle Philemon, the Bishop of Gaza, and his wife, counted as another apostle, Apphia.
Today, there are, without a doubt, Palestinian Christians and Muslims whose ancestors were not only Judaeans, but Idumeans, Nabateans, and Arabs who became the Church of Palestine after Hadrian.
The Orthodox Church is adorned with numerous Palestinian saints and martyrs. Many Church Fathers were Palestinians, and the Church is adorned with the crowns of numerous Martyrs of Palestine particularly from the Great Persecution of Diocletian, including members of the ancient Church of Gaza, some of whom were descended from the Edomite believers.
Ben Carson is a 7th Day Adventist, and into all kinds of theological insanity of that cult, created by a demented women in 19th Century America.
He is a Black token in the extremist wing of the Republican Party, taken over by Zionist Christains at its base, and payed for by billionaire Jews at the top, since the 1990s.
Beware of this Carson…he is an egotistical fool, with no political experience or knowledge .
His sanctimonious conceit, and closed mind, will never change.
If the stupid Evangelicals give this Uncle Tom a head of steam in the primaries, the Jews will use his stupidity to create mayhem in political system, and if he’s elected they will rule him 100%.
Beware of Carson the most…he is a total fool for the Jews like no other. And they are bad enough.
Carson is a joke, but not a funny one.
For him to have any political support is testimony of his crazy the Republican base is.
Carson as President with ZERO political government or executive experience would be the end of the US, and maybe worse!
His evangelical extremism could mean Armageddon.
Dear Brother Nathaneal,
Response to KathJuliane,
It seems in your response, you did not read my short (compared to yours)letter correctly. You have jumped the gun regarding what I wrote, in falsely attributing to me certain beliefs and then correcting your own false attribution. Thanks.
I do not and have never believed in serpent seedline doctrine or teaching, nor did I even mention that in the letter. I know the origin is Jewish/Talmudic. Also, I wrote specifically that Edom “ceased to exist as an identifiable polity and nation” as you say.
I am a recently baptized Greek Orthodox Christian, but come from reformed Protestant background. When I said God blinded the Church (I understand your response), what I was referring to was the Protestant Churches.
That they have been blinded on many points because of their departure from the Orthodox Church is true. Nevertheless, as I have said before, I am not against the Protestants, many of whom seem to be better Christians than me.
Regards
Karl B
I just spent an hour writing and lost the lot.
That’s what happens when you know what you’re talking about. You get shut down by the Evil.
Now I’ll be brief. Carson is a nobody who says you have to go to a place to know what’s really going on. Yet he never opens his eyes as he spouts his bull. And he plays the bullshit “humble” card.
There is no difference between Jews, Edomites, Khazars or the ubiquitous non existent Israelites. Jews are Jews, those who were and those who learnt to be.
Israel is a Jew who changed his name as Jews have always done. Then he named a bunch of parasites after his new name just as current Jew parasites name their corporations and “philanthropic foundations,” (read tax dodges), today.
Once again, a Jew is a Jew. Don’t be fooled by this Khazar and Edomite rubbish. Jews in the Roman Empire even called Romans Edomites.
Didn’t Carson have a late night TV show? Before Letterman? Yeah I remember him now. He was kinda funny, now he wears a white rag on his head and refuses to open his eyes. I think he changed color too although TV was all black & white in those days.
This recent video (“marching to Zion”) explains from a SCRIPTURAL perspective why Christian Zionism is the mother of all spiritual deceptions/false doctrines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=styLx-iWwC8
It explains how this false interpretation of scripture 1st arose 150 years ago when the dubious Schofield bible was published.
My understanding is that Judaism (where followed) is based NOT on the Old Testament but on the Kaballah and Talmud–which many would say are little better than witchcraft manuals.
Did not Christ say “by their fruits ye shall know them”.
Q: What kind of fruits would one expect from a race that is based on witchcraft manuals?
A: Bolshevism, Hollywood, Cultural Marxism, the Neocon, the banking swindle etc. The facts speak for themselves.
C-Z are operating under a colossal spiritual deception and in the process they have done enormous damage to Christs message.
This is exactly how one would expect spiritual deception to work–the gospel is subverted from within so that the good news becomes a self defeating exercise that ends up shielding the evil doers!
Many good articles about the Jews, WW2 and so on.
http://www.ihr.org/
To understand the Jews’ history in America and not knowing what the jew Jacob Schiff was and what he did, is impossible.
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The Immigration Bill of 1897 would have required immigrants to pass a literacy test; something that Russian Jews would not have been able to do.
After passing both Houses of Congress, Cleveland’s veto, induced by Schiff, saved the day for the incoming Communist and Zionist Jews of Russia.
Jewish historian Lawrence J Epstein writes:
“It is staggering to consider the alternative course American Jewish history would have taken had this measure passed.”
http://www.tomatobubble.com/id695.html
Brother Nathanael, hang in there, Help is on the way, and He is your sword and shield.
Father, we beg audience of you on behalf of our dear brother Nathanael.
We come together, your chosen ones, as one begging for the Visitation of Your Justice to come. We long for it, oh, Lord, and we see it coming.
In the Most Holy Name of Jesus, we together give thanks unto You and we, in Your Spirit, hold up the arms of our Noble wondrous provision for our Noble Brother Nathanael…:-)
Lord, touch the hearts of the helper’$ You have called, and bless our dear brother with Your care, in every aspect of his life.
Jehovah-Jireh!
Jewish Bankers & Their Agenda
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=66
This is when and how Jacob Schiff made America declare war on Russia in 1911.
All Jew bankers wars start with boycott. Abrogate the trade deal between Russia and USA is boycott.
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“This means war!”(47) Calling upon all friends and resources, the Committee began a widespread public appeal to have Congress force the president to end commercial relations with Russia.
Within weeks, House and Senate abrogation resolutions-each personally approved by the Committee-were prepared. On December 13, 1911, after the House voted 300 to 1 to abrogate, Taft capitulated, and two days later issued instructions to terminate the treaty. (48)
https://jewise.wordpress.com/the-tranfer-agreement/
Watcher has a great comment.
Jews are Jews whether being called Edomites, Khazars, Sephardi, Ashkenazi, Marrano, etc.
They ALL believe in Chosen People theology, and in an exclusive Jewish god.
Stop the complications, and splitting hairs. All of them are the enemies of Christ, and every Gentile, on earth of every culture, faith, or no faith.
Dr.Carson is the fool of fools. A phony, and “Adventist “–crazy into ” soul sleep” and other Zionist Cult insanity.
Far from humble, he thinks of himself as some messianic figure who can with zero political, or executive experience rise to lead the US. Of course he is counting on the Christ killers to put him in power!
The man is extremely stupid…surgeon or not.
He has no logical thought process, and this “anti-politician” is purely politics going to the US handler, Israel, first for their blessing.
I saw this wonderful prevention linked on The Ugly Truth.Com, and thank you Brother for it.
Please all support Bro, and link this, and him everywhere!
What would Carson say about this?
Burning of Christian churches in Israel justified
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11786802/Burning-of-Christian-churches-in-Israel-justified-far-Right-Jewish-leader-says.html
Brother Nathanael:
I think it’s great what you are doing.
Thank you!
Best ever to debunk the Jews holohoax BS.
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Met Life Stadium (New Jersey / home of the NY Jets & NY Giants)
Capacity: 82,000. Official Auschwitz total dead:
1,100,000 / 82,000 = 13.4 football stadiums full of people “gassed” in a 3-car garage.
http://www.tomatobubble.com/id822.html
Mid page.
@All
Alex Jones’ Jewess’ wife divorce AJ.
What Does It Matter?
What does it matter that the heathen rage?
All is calm within my soul.
What in-effect their acts of gage have upon
The heart of obedience’s mold!
In the world, but not of it…
Attacked from all quarters, yet not marked.
His grace has been most sufficient
For all needs on this journey embarked.
Peace, be still, His presence whispers…
To the heart given wholly to Him.
Rest in His hull…your course is charted,
And your sails He Himself does trim.
In that day when the storms no longer persist…
And the missiles of evil no longer exist…
In the full…you will know…
That all weapons formed against you…
Were splayed, or detracted…
By a Man known as Truth.
I’d like to sing that one to you all…:-)
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“What does it matter that the heathen rage?”
The raging of the heathen already is! They’re having pow-wow’s as we speak!
Take heart,take heart, My People, by all of the above!…:-)
Take heart,take heart My People, you’re fixin’ to see the power of His Love!
As His chosen few rise…with eternity blazing, blazing, in their eyes
They will have to take note…that we represent a Mighty King!
I love you, and stand with you, Brother Nathaneal! You are a Warrior!
Jehovah Nissi!
–heraldingvictorystrength–
Swedens Ugly Immigration Problem
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/swedens-ugly-immigration-problem/article26338254/?service=mobile
U.S. Jewish NGOs to Get 97% of Homeland Security’s Defense Grant in 2012
While the budget has shrunk in recent years, the threat to Jewish institutions has not changed; as a result, Jewish non-profits will receive a record percentage of the funds.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/u-s-jewish-ngos-to-get-97-of-homeland-security-s-defense-grant-in-2012-1.448373
Dear All,
Take a look at Christopher Bollyn’s new U tube video called “solving 9/11 Ends the war”.
It’s perfect.
Hello Brother Nathanael,
I just read your post on The BDS movement @ Mint Press – Great illustration and effort getting THE TRUTH OUT about 9/11!
These Arrogant Sociopathetic Soulless Worm Jews must be confronted and held liable EVERY CHANCE there is!+
@All
Me thinks that Dr. Ben should stick to brain surgery and stay as far as possible outside the political arena!
BN,
I love the way you expose these Zio-christians. God bless.
Another kosher Christian from kosher Afro-American society doing kosher bidding.
Where did I see that before?
Oh wait, the current clown in the White House along with many organization pals.
Left, right, clowns remain clowns. And the right has long been kosherized Zio-christian Jewish neocons doing Wall Street’s bidding.
Dear All –
Had my computer turned off since early Friday AM and went into deep prayer and quiet.
Seeking Christ’s Holy Will for my life and ministry yielded good results.
I am feeling much more positive about things now even though hardly any donate to me.
Back online now and working on a NEW Video. It will BRING the house DOWN!
Stay tuned. +bn
Carson supports third worlder immigration.
Or in other words, a Republican version of Obama, hater of Europeans.
http://www.africancrisis.org/Article.php?JO=Linux%20x86_64&JH=1024&JW=1024&ID=748699&
Can you imagine this man Carson as president of the US? He would be laughed off the world stage as some weak, uneducated fool.
I can’t imagine him being a very significant surgeon. Who says he is so great a surgeon?
Sounds to me as if he is “fill”–in other words just another court jester to give the media a pawn to play with and divert Americans’ attention from actual geopolitical matters.
But all the candidates are fools and frauds!! And I have people I know who spend all day on Facebook/Twitter where they think they are getting their news from.
What a bunch of uneducated fools!
There is no hope without a military coup by patriotic military, and if it’s possible, a few politicians who haven’t been co-opted by the Zio-Jew Rothschild cabal.
@R A Feibel
“I can’t imagine him being a very significant surgeon. Who says he is so great a surgeon?”
He was head of neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins! That’s NOT impressive???
In fact, if I am not mistaken, he is credited with separating twins conjoined at the head and brain. Doesn’t sound very easy to me.
However, I do strongly agree with your other remarks. Thanks for sharing.
___ [Clip: “I have had a chance to look at a lot of material on not only al Qaeda, but the radical Islamic movement in general.”
“What is the origin of their rage, in your view?”
“Well, first of all, you have to recognize they go back to the battle between Jacob and Esau.”]
Islam comes from Esau? Last time I checked it came from Muhammad 2500 years later. But don’t confuse zio-christians with facts. ____
It may be that Dr Carson knows that – there would be an exactness to his mind, having been a neurosurgeon, but by glibly making a direct ahistorical OT link with Islam, Christianity is thereby bypassed, sidelined, to be burned and utterly destroyed by a combined Jewish Islamic assault.
It would follow that the Christian Zionists don’t know it yet (will they ever?), but the Jews while always reaching out to shake their hand, will now be stabbing them in the back with the other.
The reason for that is that they want their crucifying of Christ to be finally expunged from the historical record, and not just suppressed, as the mere existence of even a Christian Zionist is a subtle reproach.
The Jews didn’t ever really want that final war in the Middle East, they only seemed to have wanted it, the better to beguile the gullible Christian Zionists, so that they give unstinting financial, political, and military support to Israel’s hegemonic ambitions there.
There cannot be any nuclear war in the ME because Israel is physically too small to survive any inevitable backwash from it.
I heard Ben said that he should fight Russia all over the world.
I think the world can do without him.
No one should be elected president without looking through their character and family.
Haven’t we learned from our mistakes like Clinton, Bush, Obama, and the likes?
Evil people are winning because no one examines their lives, they just promote policies before elected that they are not held accountable for later… more lies.
haven’t we learned from our MISTAKES YET?